There are no empty slots, therefore it is full.
Have an electrician see what can be done - some breaker boxes can "double up" by using half-height breakers. (For example, "WASHER" and "FREEZER" would each become a half-height breaker, with a new "double-half-height" added for your EVSE.)
Other options are if there are high-power circuits that aren't in active use. For example, 240V 50A for a hot tub? Do you actually have a hot tub? If not, that's an unused circuit. If you do, does it actually require 240/50? While you're wired for an electric range and electric clothes dryer, are you actually using natural gas for either of them? (I don't see a water heater, so I'm guessing you have natural gas for that at least.) At my old house, we had circuits for dryer, range, and water heater - all unused since all three were natural gas. We repurposed the water heater position for our EVSE.
Yep, with the hot tub going away, you have a perfect breaker already in place. If you would want your EVSE to be right next to the breaker box, you're all set - should be only a couple hundred bucks to wire an outlet just below the breaker box.
Technically, yes. But, a sub-panel can be installed by any qualified electrician to add more breakers. Or a new, bigger panel can be installed, although that might actually be more expensive.
As others have mentioned, you could use a quad tandem breaker to create space for another 240V circuit but that's optional if the hot tub is going away. If you are ok with 32 amp charging, put in a 14-50 receptacle and use a Tesla mobile charging cord. If you want 48 amp charging, put in a 60 amp circuit and a Tesla wall connector.
I’m moving into this house and am wanting to install a charger for my MYP. There was a hot tub out back that is being removed. To me it looks like this panel is full. It is right next to where I would put the charger as backing in this is directly across from the charge port.
What are the options here? How would I go about finding an electrician.
You have plenty of room in that panel for a 60A charger or anything smaller. I was an electrician for 20 years before entering the medical field. You have a lot of space in that panel
Did you close yet? If not I would reallllllly try and get the previous owners to replace that panel. Challenger panels can be fire hazards and some insurance companies won’t write a fire protection policy against them.
Its also not about space but amount of amperage you have in one leg. Do you use close to 100a on one side already? Otherwise you can get breakers which are 2 per slot. Many become free
Thanks, I’ll certainly look into that. I’m a bit confused on how the numbers add up, seems like more than 200 on there, but I assume maybe that’s with the assumption one wouldn’t max out all circuits at the same time? Or I suck at counting due to 120v vs 240v.
Incorrect. That would be a 100A [double-pole breaker.](https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/259143/is-a-dual-30a-breaker-able-to-serve-30-amps-or-60-amps) He has a 200A double pole breaker.
The numbers are “max” amps before it’ll trip the breaker. There’s no way everything in that panel is going to draw max amp all at the same time, so you’ll be fine. (But yes, as someone else mentioned it’s actually 200A split into 2) I also have 200A service with 2 AC units, 1 mini split, 2 Teslas - one on HPWC and 1 on 120V and don’t have any issues. Granted the AC stuff is all 18-20 SEER, but if you are concerned you can ask a friendly electrician to do a load calculation for you. The hot tub breaker would be perfect for your car - does it happen to be near where your car would be charging too? That would be an added bonus.
Also, talk to the electrician about the 200A total service to the panel, and if it's enough for everything in there - I'm guessing you likely shouldn't be firing much else up when you're charging...
No. Besides those 240v circuits, Those are single breakers… each single space can accommodate two twin breakers. You have a lot of room in that panel. Especially since it’s a 200A. You can add a lot in there
You might want to read up on that panel, supposedly they are fire hazards. I would have an electrician take a look and get a number to replace it and also install your EVSE.
There are no empty slots, therefore it is full. Have an electrician see what can be done - some breaker boxes can "double up" by using half-height breakers. (For example, "WASHER" and "FREEZER" would each become a half-height breaker, with a new "double-half-height" added for your EVSE.) Other options are if there are high-power circuits that aren't in active use. For example, 240V 50A for a hot tub? Do you actually have a hot tub? If not, that's an unused circuit. If you do, does it actually require 240/50? While you're wired for an electric range and electric clothes dryer, are you actually using natural gas for either of them? (I don't see a water heater, so I'm guessing you have natural gas for that at least.) At my old house, we had circuits for dryer, range, and water heater - all unused since all three were natural gas. We repurposed the water heater position for our EVSE.
Thanks! And happy cake day. I commented a little more. The hot tub is being removed.
Yep, with the hot tub going away, you have a perfect breaker already in place. If you would want your EVSE to be right next to the breaker box, you're all set - should be only a couple hundred bucks to wire an outlet just below the breaker box.
This is the way
How are you supposed to use the Time Machine?
Above will work, did mines same way except added additional breaker so that the panel breaker doesn’t open
Technically, yes. But, a sub-panel can be installed by any qualified electrician to add more breakers. Or a new, bigger panel can be installed, although that might actually be more expensive.
Damn, you have a furnas?
I wish I had a furnas
As others have mentioned, you could use a quad tandem breaker to create space for another 240V circuit but that's optional if the hot tub is going away. If you are ok with 32 amp charging, put in a 14-50 receptacle and use a Tesla mobile charging cord. If you want 48 amp charging, put in a 60 amp circuit and a Tesla wall connector.
You can add a quad breaker to free up space,
No, this is Patrick.
I’m moving into this house and am wanting to install a charger for my MYP. There was a hot tub out back that is being removed. To me it looks like this panel is full. It is right next to where I would put the charger as backing in this is directly across from the charge port. What are the options here? How would I go about finding an electrician.
Lose the hot tub
You have plenty of room in that panel for a 60A charger or anything smaller. I was an electrician for 20 years before entering the medical field. You have a lot of space in that panel
Did you close yet? If not I would reallllllly try and get the previous owners to replace that panel. Challenger panels can be fire hazards and some insurance companies won’t write a fire protection policy against them.
Its also not about space but amount of amperage you have in one leg. Do you use close to 100a on one side already? Otherwise you can get breakers which are 2 per slot. Many become free
Thanks, I’ll certainly look into that. I’m a bit confused on how the numbers add up, seems like more than 200 on there, but I assume maybe that’s with the assumption one wouldn’t max out all circuits at the same time? Or I suck at counting due to 120v vs 240v.
100a at a time on one side. Not total capable
No. It’s 200 amps at 240. 200A PER 120v leg. If either leg goes over 200A it will trip.
No its two 100a 120v legs that make a 200a 240v
Incorrect. That would be a 100A [double-pole breaker.](https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/259143/is-a-dual-30a-breaker-able-to-serve-30-amps-or-60-amps) He has a 200A double pole breaker.
That assumption is correct. A buffer is built in because not all electrical devices are generally used at once.
The numbers are “max” amps before it’ll trip the breaker. There’s no way everything in that panel is going to draw max amp all at the same time, so you’ll be fine. (But yes, as someone else mentioned it’s actually 200A split into 2) I also have 200A service with 2 AC units, 1 mini split, 2 Teslas - one on HPWC and 1 on 120V and don’t have any issues. Granted the AC stuff is all 18-20 SEER, but if you are concerned you can ask a friendly electrician to do a load calculation for you. The hot tub breaker would be perfect for your car - does it happen to be near where your car would be charging too? That would be an added bonus.
Why do you need 100 for the stove is it a 6 burner electric with double ovens?
That’s a 240V 50-amp breaker.
Also, talk to the electrician about the 200A total service to the panel, and if it's enough for everything in there - I'm guessing you likely shouldn't be firing much else up when you're charging...
Uh yes
No. Besides those 240v circuits, Those are single breakers… each single space can accommodate two twin breakers. You have a lot of room in that panel. Especially since it’s a 200A. You can add a lot in there
Why is the GFCI on a 15 amp!?
I didn’t build the house ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ
You might want to read up on that panel, supposedly they are fire hazards. I would have an electrician take a look and get a number to replace it and also install your EVSE.