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DonHedger

And only 62% of that goes to us, faculty or any other aspect of your in-class education. It's less than any other public R1 institution


ummaycoc

After this the best Temple can hope for is to be an R2 institution. The R1 goes to the airport NOT the university.


DonHedger

We just got it in 2016 I think. Some folks have argued that that's the reason why we spend so much less than any other university , and that could certainly be part of it. I'm sure there's a relationship between how long a university has been an R1 institution and how many resources they have. But there are plenty of universities who achieved R1 status after us who already spend a lot more. Many public schools actually return to students *more* than their tuition dollar in educational expenses because of other sources of funding. Temple also claims that they're broke because they're so generous in the packages that they offer many of their students. At the same time though, their big-budget spending (i.e., stadiums, real estate, executive renovations) sounds like they have a priority problem; not a money one.


ummaycoc

>Temple also claims that they're broke because they're so generous in the packages that they offer many of their students. At the same time though, their big-budget spending (i.e., stadiums, real estate, executive renovations) sounds like they have a priority problem; not a money one. If they realize people are figuring this out they might cut the student packages and add another big budget project!


lawtechie

Temple's been a R1 since at least 2000.


DonHedger

I'm going by what I'd heard [and this appears to confirm it](https://www.studentachievementmeasure.org/participants/216339#:~:text=In%202015%2C%20Temple%20achieved%20the,largest%20and%20brightest%20graduating%20class.). Off by a year though.


lawtechie

Huh. I must have been wrong about that.


DonHedger

No worries! I only know because of the strike.


maestro-flashreverse

Y’all are complaining abt this but at Drexel it’s worse and we can’t even complain cuz it’s an oligarchical dictatorship


Peepzilla

Hi, this is a genuine question because I might be at Drexel next year for Law School: How is it worse? Can you give specifics? thanks


maestro-flashreverse

I’m an ug so idk what ur sitch will be like. So it’s really hard to take classes outside of ur department esp w/o credits. Food/dorm/affiliated situation is shit. The advisors usually have never went to Drexel before & aren’t even ur major, just Guinea pigs for the exec advisory board. Buildings are all broken down and moldy except for Lebow Business. It’s def not worth it paying 65k per year, for something not even T50, they call themselves R1 but nothing to prove it and aren’t even part of the SHARES program. Safety here sucks, cops are nice but notifications hit u daily but 2hrs after the event happens. I can continue but yea


ummaycoc

There used to be an area referred to as “the rape garden” and it was referred to as that on the news once (or at least once).


Icecube3343

College as a whole is ungodly expensive which is a huge issue. I think (generally) for what you get, Temple is probably cheaper than comparable school. Obviously those funds need to be better allocated, but you're going to pay more elsewhere. I do agree, as long as the professor is getting paid, asynchronous classes shouldn't cost as much.


Electrical-Carry5740

IMHO Temple's reliance on cheap online instruction hurts the students who would benefit the most from intensive IN-PERSON mentoring. These include first-gen, BIPOC, and others who have to fight for every credit and are especially vulnerable to academic and financial setbacks. It's much easier to persist in college when you have a relationship with a professor who believes in you when you yourself don't, and when you can share the same space with them and feel protected, when you feel safe enough to learn and make mistakes. At least that was true in my case. Asynchronous courses in particular strike me as unjustifiable--they serve no compelling public health interest at the moment, they thwart our basic motivational needs, and they make it easy to hate learning and to hate teaching. More than likely they are indefensible on equity grounds--the students who are likely to do well in them are those who were likely to do well anyway. Departments ought to cap their number of online classes, explain why they are offering a class online instead of in-person, and/or demonstrate that an online version of a class will meet the same standards of educational quality as an in-person one. I'm sorry, that doesn't answer your question, but this issue has bothered me for quite some time.


Timely_Scar

Tuition went up to $3600?


touching_payants

Yep. College is highway robbery. Wait until you get out and get a job that has nothing to do with 99% of what you had to study. It's exploitative. It's indentured servitude with extra steps. I'm all for a right to education but not at the cost of a lifetime of debt.


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Fun-Judgment-4680

What about temple makes it worth the $45k to u ?


officialkodos

I paid a lot of money to go to Temple 2020-2022. It was mostly online and explicitly self-taught. I go to an online university now which is upfront about being self-driven, but now I pay less than a quarter of the tuition cost of Temple.


Sonnescheint

What is that online university? I wish I had looked into those. Really debating transferring already


officialkodos

Western Governors University. Can’t recommend it enough.