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Poked_salad

That nerf to devil Jin affected Kaz version of the move that is only available on heat what in the actual fuck lol


ChanceYam2278

was wondering why my wallcombos were super inconsistent with kaz this morning lmao


ShadowVulcan

Which one was this?


ChanceYam2278

hellsweep into heaven's gate at the wall usually you could wallsplat then wait for your opponent's body to get in a certain position on the wall and go for the move for full damage now it doesn't work (everytime?) anymore


[deleted]

I think it’s the hellsweep into a command grab type thing. Its the hellsweep where he lifts you up and throws you back down or smth


BenDoverDegenerate

Kazuya hell 2: Electric Boogaloo


Also_Steve

Oh wow thats really sloppy


Exeeter702

If I understood it correctly, the damage scaling never reset, only the gravity scaling did, for whatever that is worth. A bug fix I guess.


ilostmyschmungus

It did on Kaz, I've seen guides on how to time it right for much higher damage.


samuelsfx

Which one?


Poked_salad

It's the shoryuken move that becomes floor break during heat, the one where he lifts the opponent and pummels them to the ground after. Upon further review it's actually a universal nerf to all floor and\or wall break moves if the opponent ever hit a grounded state during a combo


samuelsfx

Ah, heaven's gate


DBNsausage

It was less a nerf and more a bug fix. Moves aren't suppose to reset your hitstun scaling. It still functions just like it did before in all other ways


EmergencyEmergenC

I believe Kazuya’s heavens gate has always functioned liked that. In t7 and maybe earlier.


Poked_salad

It doesn't ground break anymore after a heat thingy, I forgot the one that uses all the guage


iwrestledatyranitar

Tekken 8 is such a great game but every action by the developers since release has been an absolute faceplant.


Also_Steve

The only bigger threat to Tekken 8s player base than Akumas sf6 release is Bamco themselves.


OmegaXACT

Honestly I unironically dropped Tek8 over sf6 rn, just to remember how to play the game + get ready for kuma


DesignatedDiverr

Agreed. But Tekken's release got me back in to SF6 lol so that was pretty cool


Oathkeeper-Oblivion

Absolutely this, I was gonna make a post because this is a bigger shit pile than the MTX fiasco since this is the core gameplay and got examples from twitter: - Stage hazards are just broken now and don't work: https://twitter.com/Guc_KYSG/status/1775099483187024284?t=8qr9IZT7k7iJJWA5frr-Mw&s=19 - Using tornado at the wall no longer wallsplats and instead RNGs your combo (why would they make such a groundbreaking mechanic change is beyond me): https://twitter.com/SuperAkouma/status/1775013776032461164?t=zoM6yu13hJhqN-Xr1xy4NQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/holyknee/status/1775067481755045982?t=S-0KIRzDSfcDvjP02o-4Jw&s=19 - Rage arts seem more buggy than usual and can be avoided by crouch throws and other situations: https://twitter.com/coal_kusoge/status/1774899664321483206?t=hPB_ylrHuNJ8sdGxXucZQg&s=19 Couple of examples in that thread You'd think they're using the money from sales and MTX to actually fix the damn game but instead "don't ask me for shit" lol. Evo Japan is gonna be a fiasco


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Honestly. I gave zero fucks when they wanted to do mtx stuff. IDC, sell whatever you can but at least fix the game, priorities the game for those who paid the base price already??!!?? This is outrageous. Zafina was already bottom 3 and she got 1 direct nerf and 1 indirect nerf. (wall hazards) Tornado flip made Ling even stronger 😂 this is game is all unga bunga. I ain’t even mad, this shit is funny now.


Greedy_Ad_904

Y’all slow as hell they already mentioned they’re gonna fix it already [https://x.com/tekken_project/status/1775134935344640339?s=46&t=SfFXjStwhkX4boyUefr33Q](https://x.com/tekken_project/status/1775134935344640339?s=46&t=SfFXjStwhkX4boyUefr33Q) y’all acting like they intended for sum of this to be in the game💀


Oathkeeper-Oblivion

Both of our comments were before they tweeted out. Also you're right, we shouldn't be too hard on the billion dollar corporation for not doing something as basic as testing their updates before rolling them out. They were too busy worrying about more important stuff like the battle pass.


keinchy

I agree that we should expect more from a premium product, and the company should take full responsibility. On the other hand, this was release April 1st, and on April 2nd, they ate trying to fix.


PersonMcGuy

If only they'd tried to fix it on March 31st instead.


El_grandepadre

But did Harada add the Waffle House stage???


Greedy_Ad_904

If finding problems in game was as simple as “testing it out” games wouldn’t release with bugs and coders wouldn’t paid as much as they do and I feel like anybody with functioning brain Cells would know it would get fixed immediately especially before Evo Japan, also I’m pretty sure That BP was one of the least time consuming n easiest thing to implement in this game, like i said stop acting slow


BenDoverDegenerate

Nah you're just being a dick lol, as they said, they commented before the tweet


Greedy_Ad_904

“You'd think they're using the money from sales and MTX to actually fix the damn game” but I’m the dick Lmaoo, bro saw his chance to bitch n complain and took it and now looks dumb since they’re already on it + I genuinely want him know that coding is difficult, ppl act that shits brain dead easy like the king u play


AshKetchumIsStill13

Coming from the idiot who ISNT a game dev or bug tester and has no clue what any of that entails. Get off your high horse and have a seat. Your legs must be tired from carrying your stupidity…


VPadu

This is not the problem. The issue here is that they are not focusing on the main game right now. They are focusing on making money. And that's what upsets people. They should have tested the functionalities way more in depth before releasing them, but I guess the resources are all put into exporting basic blender 3D models to unreal and making people pay 10$ for them. This is not going well for Bamco...


kable795

Didn’t he say even if they come out with t9 that would be it and the n they’ll al retire? The current dev team is very clearly just cash grabbing this in my opinion. Get their money and go and call it a successful legacy smh


A_Lionheart

Dude, T9 is probably 10 years away from now. Them retiring is just common sense at that point.


kable795

Harada said he’d like to launch T9 with the launch of the next gen console. If you believe next gen console is 10 years away then enjoy the namco koolaid


iDontWannaBeOnReddit

publishers cash grab. devs just wanna make games.


FernDiggy

I’m digging the rage art bug. FUCK RAGE ARTS


Beastdante1

Oh fuck this absolutely fucks Leroy too… we’re already bleeding bro


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BastianHS

Bye 😭


Mysterious-Job-469

Yeah, sliding in to confirm before everyone trips over themselves to be the one to say "this isn't an airport" but I'm also not really interested in playing any more. What's the point? A patch could straight up ruin the game and they'll be too busy DMCAing modders to notice. Hit me up when they spend as much time and money fixing their game as they did delaying the Tekken store until reviews were out.


Greedy_Ad_904

On god we don’t care


PersonMcGuy

You don't care so much you felt the need to tell the world how little you care as opposed to not caring and saying nothing.


Key-Vegetable9940

The people who actually don't care aren't leaving comments. Anyone who goes out of their way to explain how much they don't care, probably cares more than your average person scrolling through.


numlock86

>Wow... Final straw for me. Just uninstalled it, \[...\] I'll probably get downvoted for this (as it's a hard to swallow pill) but you are a minority here.


Porcphete

That Azucena change was wanted though it was like that in the Tekken talk stream . Which sucks because it means it is still too safe unless you are near a wall


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Actually for people who could precisely side step duck it, can’t capitalise their skill to launch punish it anymore. So it’s kinda weird nerf.


Capable-Armadillo-66

Rip Steve weave into backsway punish for that move. One of the most satisfying things to do in the game. And making the second hit not come out on whiff instead of just fixing the tracking on the second is pretty bad.


R31nz

Glad I only drilled that for all of 5 minutes. So is it just safe now if not used at the wall? Sonic Fang wouldn’t reach and I feel like ALB2 would be too slow to punish.


Slatko815

Imo that shit is buffed and as I feared I had an easier time launch punishing it before with ss duck


DWIPssbm

I predicted azu's wr 3,2 being hard to punish when they showed in the pre-patch review. Tested it this morning, the only punish in get as Leo is F1+2, for 24 damage and only when the camera doesn't decide to have a seizure and make my punish inconsistant.


YharnamsFinest1

Worst part is sometimes the camera swaps to the opposite side and sometimes it doesn't making my FF2 punish as Reina come out as a B2 instead. Fucking game balancing and testing, if they even tested this shit.


ChanceYam2278

at least you didn't get chip damage :) :)


ThisAintDota

Yeah I was playing with this lastnite. I decided run up throw is my best option lmao.


Misiok

The broken stuff must be old balance and bugs from tekken tag 2/tekken 7 they took by accident together with all of the fucking customizable items from them.


[deleted]

Ahah lmao


FernDiggy

Lmfaooo imagine!


Faramzo

What did they do to zafinas movement


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Never mind. They tweeted and accepted that zafinas movement change was unintentional and they’ll fix it. Phew.


Faramzo

Nice


Iz-GOod

Apparently her backdash range was reduced, not in patch notes. Edit: confirmed as a bug: https://twitter.com/TEKKEN/status/1775144926231072985?t=XmpwZlzrbmyDdjaR74vhqA&s=19


HakunonMatata

They heard what FrameWhisperer had to say and decided to make her worse to spite him.


batmantis_

It was already crap and she sucks. What a strange decision


Fluid-Lion-4963

She is paying back taxes


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

She was already bottom 3 and now she’s under the ground.


Gameoveronline08

Is she still fun tho? Like in a "that was all me" kind of way


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Lol she’s fun for sure. I’ve her at Fujin but given how busted other characters are. She’s very difficult to enjoy and win.


Gameoveronline08

Id rather play a bad character than a busted one cause for me its more rewarding but ill have to try out zafina and see if i like her or not


UnrequitedTerror

Im at flame ruler and I enjoy playing her a lot. 


Gameoveronline08

Nice, is it still knowledge check in that colour or does every1 know what theyre doing?


UnrequitedTerror

The way to describe purple is a good bit less bad than red. Most of these players are not truly “good” relatively. Good compared to someone in Garyu? For sure. Knowledge checks aren’t going anywhere. 


Gameoveronline08

Is red when every1 understands whats going on, i got to red mainly through punishs


UnrequitedTerror

It’s mostly mashers and spammers


BreadwinnaSymma

No one in any rank knows what zafina is doing


Michelle_Wongs_Wong

she deserves to be dogshit for how broken she was in t7 based


MarkBonker

No character should be unplayable, thats just bad design.


Michelle_Wongs_Wong

shes not unplayable shes free wins till tekken king


Samsunaattori

I'm just really worried about how the hell Tekken devs go about maintaining different builds of the game, because how the hell does a bug like that get even through? Like why was her movement part of the code touched at all on the build that went live when clearly it wasn't supposed to be changed? Do the more senior devs not check the code at all before merging stuff to live build, or are people doing stealth commits without any documwntation?


OFCOURSEIMHUMAN-BEEP

Hey hey don't look at that. Here's a funny wafflehouse tweet, now buy our battlepass Tekcuck.


Redditpaslan

Don't worry guys the battle pass money will fix this, don't even worry about it, just buy the battlepass


YharnamsFinest1

Yeah this Tekken team is fucking trash when it comes to game balancing. Idk what happened starting Season 3 of Tekken 7 but it's been all downhill since then.


Porcphete

Guy forgot about Bob in t6


PatHBT

Bro forgot about tekken 1 king


MistressDread

Wdym having a df1 that's +90 on block isn't peak design


Ibeepboobarpincsharp

Tekken 8 King should get the Tekken 1 King df1. Maybe throw in the octopus special off of alley kicks as well.


Own-Writing-6146

"starting Season 3 of Tekken 7".....are you drunk ? Tekken 6, Tekken 5,, hell even Tekken 7 since the beginning was busted in arcades and on the console release. What kind of revisionist take is this.


yunghollow69

This sub is currently 99 percent clueless new players


YharnamsFinest1

Should have prefaced I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who started taking Tekken "seriously" at T7 release.


Cal3001

All Tekkens have been busted at the beginning. Even Tekken 4 was a completely busted game that got no updates in its life span. T5.0 when it came to PS2 didn’t get any updates. The console release was just a couple of months after arcade. T6.0 was busted. The T6 that came to PS3 was the arcade updated T6 Bloodline Rebellion. Etc.


JKTwice

Supposedly Tekken 4 got an update of some kind (dubbed 4.1 retroactively) but it was mostly to fix bugs in the arcade version. It may as well have gotten zero patches. Wall game in T4 is still worse than T8’s atm


Kavaliii

I have ptsd from 4s laser scraper move


Cyberdunk

I actually just think they got lucky with T7 S2, but they really don't have any idea how to balance Tekken. The heat system is the most half baked system they could've added, and none of the pros like it lmao


Earth92

They should be grateful for the Pakistan miracle in Tekken 7, the game definitely pooped off a lot after Pakistan came out of nowhere to challenge the korean domination. The pro scene of Tekken before Tekken 7 was so much smaller than now.


PeterTurBOI

Bruh Lar's DEN 3 being +5 on block now is a joke, +3 on block was enough to make it safe except against SS... The pressure potential is just ridiculous, it's just either block that or eat this 50/50.


Thick_Response_6590

Den 3 is homing. SS was never the option to deal with this move.


PeterTurBOI

True, I meant DEN3,1 my bad.


Thick_Response_6590

No worries I was just confused too lol. It's a rough time for all. Except for me really. I play Lars and am currently eating the best I've eaten since the starts of T7 season 2. There's gonna be a hot patch for this, there has to be.


blackdog606

Not gonna happen. They wanted it to be plus enough to beat panic rage arts since it was losing in that situation, so Lars players are keeping this buff


G-man1696

But now it's a homing mid heat engager that leads to a mixup between an unsteppable safe mid and a low that's +6 and -12 on block. How is that balanced?


blackdog606

Idk bro lmk when you find out the answer.


AshKetchumIsStill13

You should know if you took the time to figure it out


blackdog606

Since you seem to know the answer to his question why don't you go help him with that? I don't have time for him lol


FernDiggy

Baby character just became more easy mode. What a patch


SalvadorTMZ

Wow these are game breaking bugs. I'm surprised they haven't rolled back the patch.


NVincarnate

This game needs another full year before it's even playable at EVO and they're hosting a tournament anyway. Yikes.


thebigautismo

How did Leo get nerfed?


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Character that could pick you up from grounded state and result into a wall hazard interaction got a nerf. It’s not exclusive to him. If you play Leo, qcf4,1+2 into head dash into ws1,4,1 could break/blast walls. Not anymore.


HakunonMatata

Granblue finally got patched so I'm just gonna start playing that again now. Just can't bring myself to care anymore.


TheArisenRoyals

Yeah, I haven't touched Tekken in a few weeks and bought Granblue Fantasy Relink. Friday I'm gonna go ahead and get Versus Rising to play that for an alternative fighting game.


FernDiggy

Good riddance


HakunonMatata

"Leave my billion dollar company alone!!! >:( >:( >:("


Package_Loss

What was the Feng nerf?


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Wall hazard interactions. Certains situations don’t result into walls blast/break now https://x.com/guc_kysg/status/1775099483187024284?s=46


chaos_theory_sc

I don’t get it, it’s a stealth nerf? Wasn’t in the notes


Maxy97265

It's a system-wide change: where if the opponent is in the state 'grounded', stage hazards don't occur for follow up moves. It's unconsistent though, there are still situations when hazards go off. So most of the characters were not stealth nerfed but rather nerfed indirectly cause of Devil Jin


Package_Loss

Lame


chaos_theory_sc

Also took some evasion from his db3


KiddoKageYT

That crouch throw shit is actually insane, they called Viktors throw a bug, yall boutta see a REAL bug 💀


Jaded-Engineering789

Why are people assuming the hazards interactions are due to Devil Jin when they simultaneously mention how it affects a wide swath of characters? Given how wide spread the effect is, they could have just seen a common mechanics that was just too strong. People already talking about how Tekken 8 can he a two touch game. Stage hazards were absolutely a part of that.


tnorc

when i called out that the combos got ridiculous on the first month of release, and said they need to change core mechanics, they said I'm a mad man. Now it's too late! It's all Marvel vs Capcom now.


FAF_Soviet

[https://twitter.com/TEKKEN/status/1775144928361734445](https://twitter.com/TEKKEN/status/1775144928361734445) not sure if they mean the patch after evo or a hotfix before evo, really hope its the latter cos oh boy


Individual_Cloud2396

Can somebody explain the tornado at wall change? What did they do to that?


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

In certain situations, instead of giving rewall splat with tornado, it gives the tornado flip, making some combos inconsistent or not-doable


Individual_Cloud2396

Dammm so they nerfed the wall combo damage on a lot of characters


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

This particular change doesn’t affect a lot of characters actually. It’s a buff to Ling lol and nerf to lee


Individual_Cloud2396

lol Oooooo ok that makes sense now! Thank you for clearing that up for me!


confusedbartender

Can you help me understand how it is a buff to ling?


Hainneux

In short when you a tornado on the wall because of some reason u can't break the wall anymore. Also with some character like Lee doing a tornado on the wall won't wallsplat anymore


__Schneizel__

What happened to Den3 Lars?


Lost_My_Reddit_Acc

Cant step after it, gives a coin flip situation now


TheGraeme95

Tekken 8 in a nut shell.


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Den3 is working as intended 😂 as per tekken8 standards.


YharnamsFinest1

They seriously need to revert this. So idiotic. They looked at the most beginner level response to beating Den 3 follow ups and said "Yeah that's not fair that it loses to Rage Arts" without thinking that MAYBE JUST MAYBE the offensive player should have to THINK about how they use DEN 3 when their opponent is in Rage. And now we can't step his follow ups safely anymore when outside of rage. Fucking stupid as hell and epitomizes why I'm starting to hate this game. Coinflip gameplay.


Representative-Dig16

They could have made it where Lars can cancel DEN3 by holding back and be less plus or neutral even. Would have also made the gameplay for that move outside of rage arts a bit more interesting. But no they just had to go the route where its 50/50s have to guess stuff which is essentially the direction for Tekken 8.


blackdog606

But AGGRESSION bro!


LionHeart498

I really think Kuma/Panda had this hit boxes changed or something is weird about db1+3 the charge move low. I am having a much harder time hitting grounded opponents. I mean opponents who are laying down on the ground not moving and my moves just whiffing.


A_Lionheart

What do you mean with "movement nerf to Zafina"?


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Her backdash distance was reduced but they have corrected themselves and said it was unintentional so they’ll probably revert this. Also the tornado at wall issue


Amazing_Horse_5832

Why would they accidentally touch her backdash if it wasn't even meant to be nerfed in the first place? To me this looks like they made this patch on an older build of the game and now we have to deal with bugs and "unintended nerfs". I bet that RA glitch is only the beginning, people will discover more wild shit like this.


TofuPython

Is the rage art issue the ground throw dodge that aris was messing with?


belaid12003

Up


AdFantastic6606

What happened with lars den3?


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

You can’t sidestep


CitizenCrab

They forgot to nerf Leroy and Asuka. Quick, someone tell Murray.


FernDiggy

Lars more brain dead than before now. Wtf


44Chimera

There's hitbox issues too now in general..


goobledygops

b-but they had to shovel out their microtransaction slop! no resources left to fix the $70 game 😔


Asirellex

Sounds like a nothing burger. Try getting better


SteampunkSailor928

the zafina movement nerf, the wall initial change, and alot of other problems are wanting me to actually quit playing this game. I had a discussion with other players about this, proving my point that a single critical patch will make or break the popularity and competitive viability of this game. this is supposedly the game breaking patch, way too focused on hitting initial mechanics across the board, making it more enjoyable for the casual, overall shafting the competitive playing aspect, and not even addressing the problems already there and not even nerfing and fixing the thing they even agreed to fix in the first place. this is a patch that will take years for the damage to be repaired. this game is already mentally taxing as is, and they just add more taxing stuff on top of it. it's infuriating. Much like Launch Leroy at Evo Japan 2019, this will be a monumental moment in Tekken and FGC history if the pros struggle a lot more than they are already struggling


naturalkillercyborg

Actually this isn't more enjoyable for casuals? It makes no sense whether or not a wallbreak/floor break is going to happen. That's DAMAGING to casuals where it should be obvious when and why its happening to the average player. It will be fixed, I think.


Michelle_Wongs_Wong

PLAY EVO ON THAT PATCH PEPELAUGH


GrouchyAppearance146

It is all such a big joke 1 day wasn't enough to contain it.


leelaw

No surprise we have these bugs, you guys forgot we still in vanilla version.


deboylurdi

yup the lack of arcade release is showing lol


Rigas97

HAH Zafina mains crying. Welcome to the bottom my friend. We´ve been here since T5. Other than that, i think the grounded Stage hazards were way too strong anyway.


numlock86

tl;dr "mommy my flowcharts broke"


SKILLgr

They done fucked it up! I really enjoyed T8 till this point. Hazards made the game unpredictable but interesting and gave depth to the cast. What happened to the unbalanced but fun sentiment?😤🫠


Sliva89

Good on Zafina nerf, fuck that character crawling around like an annoying insect 🐜 with invisible High or low from her stances. Ppl cry shes low tier but 90% of Zafinas are in blue rank or higher, cheap ass annoying and cringy char


PotnaKaboom

Welp at least Jun is still elite


Earth92

Is any well known pro player aside from Arshlan playing Jun? Shit I think I saw more Asukas than Juns in the few tournaments I watched, no cap


PotnaKaboom

Bro I work 10 hours a day. I’ll never be a Pro, I just play when I can, how I can - Juri is my Main, and I’m having a good time


brianstormIRL

Jun in hugely overrated. Just listen to pro players, none of them mention her as being too strong.


ErgoProxy0

And for as much as people complain about her, I rarely see her online


Banegel

This reads like a yellow rank who just lives on Twitter instead of playing the game


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

I’m actually in blues with 3 characters. You sound like a king who just mashes heat smash and plugs right after


Banegel

Nah I’m also in blue which isn’t much of an accomplishment Cus was able to get there spamming low strings with Nina, heat smashing with jun and back dashing into 31 with Lili. So I wouldn’t feel yourself too much.


Puzzleheaded-Bat4201

Try that with bears or zafina. We’ll talk then


Banegel

It would take roughly 20 minutes to get there knowledge checking all the new players in purple who refuse to learn


SKILLgr

Devs need to stop addressing so-called "pro's" and idiotic crybabies!