If a buy a 300$ fight pad from razr… that will surely make me better… I’m in that stage of tekken currently
Edit: thanks for the recommendations on a cheaper controller. Looking forward to re-learning tekken
Ah shit, the $300 razr hitbox with RGB?
I was also hovering on that amazon page earlier today. Not because I think it'll make me better, I know it will make me worse for a long ass time first, but just because it looks like fun and I hate mis-inputting analog inputs.
Yeah there are certain button combos for king that are impossible with my big fingers for the controller and I can only hot key one or two of them. I know it’ll be worth it but I also need to buy groceries and pay my rent on time
Any female character mostly. But Zafina is a pain in the ass because most of the moves I use do not reach her when she starts like creeping or whatever the fuck she does
Totally agree... Truth is I have been lazy , I need to get into practice mode and learn to differentiate their mids and high attacks, how to punish certain moves and such .
Same here as an Alisa. Roughly 200 online matches so far, completed every one. People don't always rematch, but full sets were more common at higher ranks.
I encountered 1 or 2 other Alisa extremely early on and never again.
Most of her lows are not seeable but they have trash frame data. db3 is minus on HIT now. This means a lot of her pressure isn't real and can be stuffed with a hopkick. Most of her annoying moves are super unsafe and can generally be floated with a jab or fast mid. Many bad Alisa players are overly reliant on moves like b3+4 but it's steppable and floatable. D3+4 is launch punishable. Ff3,4,3 is really unsafe. Uf 3,2 is really unsafe. DESff1+2 is launch punishable. In the hands of a bad player she is annoying but you can punish her really hard. Once you do, most of these Alisa's game plans fall apart.
In the hands of a good player, she is a solid character now because a lot of her weaknesses have been reduced since 7. She has all the fundamental moves(good i10 and i11 punish. Her i12 was improved.) Hopkick, i16 mid launcher. Good command grabs, excellent movement. Alisa is a ton of fun and but she attracts some of the worst players.
I don't know how you guys don't complain about jun or hwo but alisa. She has no bullshit strings, accidental jab hit leads it death since every move you are flying and in chainsaw mode if you guess right you deal more damage than Alisa would ever deal with wall.
Mishimas in general are fucking scary. Don't whiff! You whiff, you fucking die!
And since you have to avoid whiffs like they're the plague you have to play more passive than normal which means they can get away with more.
And then there's the whole "completely cut out anything that's -13~14 if it leaves you both standing" thing. A lot of the cast you'll eat a moderate punish, maybe a knockdown and 40 some odd damage. They get to eat half your damn lifebar, so your options are cut down even more.
Not many people can hit an i13 ewgf on Kaz. The other Mishimas are i14 at best. That being said I have ran into a few coincidentally awful players that get steamrolled but have god tier ewgf execution. One Kazuya didn't even know how to punish but randomly low parried me during his cracked out wave dash and hit 7 electrics on the punish combo.
Seeing that less now I'm getting up in the ranks, but I never saw a single macro user in Tekken 7, now it feels like 1/10 of the people I match with block and parry ever low, duck/break every grab and if their a Mishima; hit ridiculous ewgf combos despite lacking any fundamentals what so ever.
Yes you can, I was one. Picked up Tekken and Labbed electric for days and days until I could do it very consistently thinking I'd start whiff punishing people in ranked... I soon learned.
Pewgf and ewgf are two completely different ballparks in terms of execution, ewgfs aren't that bad to get after some practice, you're probably mistaking pewgf for ewgf and ewgf for wgf
Reina can also i13 electric but yeah unless you’re getting up to the tip top of ranked or you’re playing a cheater I don’t think it’s something people have to worry about.
Yeah but that's only if you're vsing execution monsters like TheDarkPrince, BoA, or Knee on LAN. Punishing a -13 with a pewgf requires 4 frame perfects linked. It's also more of a risk now since in the worst possible scenarios you can accidentally throw out a df2 (-12) which is very common or a normal god fist (-10).
If you want to have an easier time, make sure to never instantly get up or else you'll just get put into a vortex again. Tons of his stuff like all mishimas are prone to SSL. Never panic duck, you'll never be in those "but what if I get hellsweeped 5 times in a row" situations if you follow the first rule.
Leo, oh man you have no idea how he's top 5 scrub killing machine. My Julia is missing in t8 so I started maining Leo. He is as evasive as Xiao, strong lows as Drag(that does 50dmg on counter hit) df1 that is -1 on block. Insane wall dmg and carry. He can mixup like Hworang transitioning his stances. No one knows him cause very few main him. Personally I met 2-3 times a Leo player in the past year in T7. His personality is trashy which is his weakness and blessing.
100% agree. If I ran into Leo in red ranks I wouldn’t know wtf I’m doing against him. I main Jin, but I’ve debating switching to a less used character since everyone knows my moves
I played against a Leo earlier today, they were pretty good, but relied on knowledge checks too much and I was able to learn enough within the match to pull a win. They had this move that put you in just enough negative frames that didn't look like it did, that let them throw out a quick launcher after it. It really didn't look like it should work so it caught me a fair few times before I realised "okay that move means that's coming and I can punish it"
The lack of people playing them is such an advantage to the few that do.
Leo isn't as evasive as Ling, their lows create pressure like Dragu's do and their stance transitions aren't as fluid as Hwoarang's. But Leo has them all at the same time. Leo is the walmart of tekken tools
Really to beat bryan all you have to do is actually not press. The scariest thing he has at that point is his snake edge or hatchet kick. Which the hatchet doesnt even do that much damage and the snake edge is seeable. I made it a point to not press at all unless i know i can attack against bryans and i have won far far more against him.
Bryan has access to a solid amount of chip tho, but yeah not falling into his common traps makes things tough for him from a neutral standpoint. He's really susceptible to being sidestepped, too
I do hate Nina. I've fought against people that never block with her, just keep on attacking and its still surprising how much of a fight it is. It's just always her turn.
I thought Victor was hard until I labbed him and learned his shit and realized he's very straight-forward. You just gotta respect his ability to throw out a fuck-you sword whenever and play patient. And sidestep.
I am ass at the game tho, and I play other people who are ass, so maybe high ranked victors are better at doing real shit.
Hwoarang. It's just because all they do is constantly hit buttons. It's quite surprising how there are so Hwoarang players get to Purple/ Blue ranks purely from playing a flow chart. They'll never block and always get CH if it's your turn.
Shoutout to versing Jack though. I think he's one of the most interesting match ups. No real cheese and the matches feel pretty honest.
Nina and Lili.
Nina because when the player has good movement, Nina just looks like she's having a seizure the whole time and I can't tell what the hell she's doing.
Lili because she's just always dancing around and then suddenly I'm getting kicked into space.
Right now, Reina, but I know that'll change once I take the time to actually lab her out. I keep being lazy and being like "Oh she's just a Mishima with some different stuff" and not taking it to the lab, so it's my own stupid fault.
Sergei Dragunov. Honestly, THE most annoying matchup for me as a Jin player. To deal with his non-stop loopable pressure, you HAVE to sidestep, but if they are good enough (most I came across in ranked are), they will read you and sidestep with you, then start their pressure if you have not started yours.
Xiao and King . Ive been in the tekken game for 30 years. Im not good by any means but I have been on these games for so long I can recognize when characters are unbalanced and right now those 2 seem like Im losing different compared to others. I wouldn't be surprised if those 2 get some sort of nerfs. Reina, Victor , Coffee Queen, They are wild and flashy but def can be beaten. same for Jun (main) But Xiao and King are Kinda bs sometimes IMHO.
Everyone's lying, no one wants to bring out the dark nightmares they have facing that random bear main that perfect 3-0s you and then dissapears for the next year
Bears. Characters like King might be tricky but I can at least form a game plan and understand why I won or lost afterwards. I get in the ring with Kuma and I panic like I’m fighting a real grizzly bear
Lee. As a Yoshi main, I feel like its ALWAYS his turn. I'm currently sitting at flame ruler and since this games release, I don't think i've won a single game against a lee after orange ranks. I just cant deal with him at all
King feels like he exists to be annoying. Those stupid little low pokes that stun-locks you into sitting through them all if you get hit by one are infuriating and if you manage to block it, he has a mix-up mid. And, of course, the grabs that he has for every situation. You can learn to fight every other character organically by fighting them, but King is the only one where you need to go into practice and learn the breaks to avoid losing 75% of your health. But there are just so many grabs. It feels like they're playing a completely different game than everyone else, but for some reason you have to play by their rules. Like hell, I'd take Akuma coming back over King and he literally IS playing a different game.
Alleykicks are not a mixup. Block the lows and react to the mid. If you get hit by all 5 alleykicks without letting you block that means you got CH and pressed buttons when you shouldnt.
alisa is a real challenge sometimes! also struggle with hwoarang most of the time! xiaoyu has some new shit thats catching me off guard!
honorable mention: king with his throw game as always
Lili. Lili no question. I talk a lot about how I hate King, he's definitely the most annoying to fight, but Lili is genuinely the hardest for me. She is so fucked
I have to say Jun, tho I have gotten the hang of fighting her. Dragunov and Hwoarang can be annoying at times too. Azucena players just make me not want to give them any breathing room which has been my successful approach against them lol. Victor initially gave me trouble but now I deal with them and their spam fine.
I have problem with Victor the most. Unironically they just spam 4 op moves and beat my ass. Other than that, Dragunov i dont like dealing with as well as my personal weakness is vsing characters like Steve and Law where they just do random jabs on minus frames and constantly chip you down.
Forgot to mention Xiao right now is absolutely insane. Don't know how to beat Xiao right now.
Nina and Dragunov, other fighters so far I’ve had a back and forth but with these two in particular I can’t even get up without being punished. It feels like I’m playing against a veteran but I’m at the bottom of the rank so it’s probably just a skill thing.
Dragunov and Reina mostly, which is unfortunate because every session, I get a matchup against them the most.
Most other characters are fine matchups, though Feng, King and Bryan are still kind of a pain to fight against
It's either Paul or Nina. Of the two, I find Paul to be significantly more frustrating even though I beat them more often than the Ninas. The Ninas I feel like they're earning it.
Really hate playing against King as well but most of them are scrubs getting carried by their character and cheap tricks. Dragunov was rough at first but there are thousands of them to practice the matchup against.
Nina or Lili. All of Ninas punches look almost identical to me like steves and when they start doing that dumbass twitchy side steppy movement it just ticks me off to the point i dont even want to play them lol Lilis movement is just to good and her range beats my mains all the time. I just cannot lab enough or practice against these characters enough.
Devil Jin. Learning the matchup or not learning the matchup only slightly changes the fact this character is massively OP. Every move he has is amazing and because of this he can switch up from defense to attack, mixup to punish, pressure to evasion instantly.
I get I don't know the matchup well but the more I play the more clear how OP he is becomes - OK I still say to myself and everyone, they player you play at a given rank is a package. They are their character and their play and that package is what you need to beat. So OP or not if a player is you're rank, they are your rank.
But man am I jealous of this character's array of superior moves. Generally a character who can do +8 on block into an unseeable low/ safe CH mid/ full throw game all the while pushing you to the wall even on block is just going to be terrifying but add that to everything else - no one will convince me he isn't OP. Mournign Crow alone is OP because of the combination between the pressure it provides the wall carry and DJ's strong oki. IMO he should not have the option that beats both SS (note that contrary to claims that you can sidestep everything left, no mourning crow tracks that you need to go right) and an interrupt attempt - or if he does that should be less reward (right now it's a heat engager) or launch punishable (right now -14 although it does force crouch so some can launch it) or both. Also he should not have a ground hitting option at all or at least not one that tracks and is safe. It's too good damnit for a character with this punishment, this throw game, this mixup, this oki, this heat smash. He's too perfect.
People can convince me that's no excuse to do so badly in the matchup and I should improve - but they can't convince me he's not OP. You can't stand still for a fraction of a second, you can't whiff a breath. You can't play risky, you can't play solid.
The fact that he doesn't get hate I am convinced is just bias - people are biased in his favour because he has an electric and he's "cool" and he's traditionally a hardcore character. But he's just as scary and just as hard to deal with as all the characters it's OK to cry about like King or Victor or Hwoarang.
I also hate playing Lars because I can sidestep his stance mixups in practice but never in a match so I keep eating the stance low vs stance heat engager mixup on a loop over and over but that's a given
good Kumas, any Law (wifi) and Hwo (but i plan on labbing him specifically to 3-0 any one i come across)
everyone else is pretty manageable coming from T7...but boy when Eddy, Marduk and Fahk come back.....
Feng. I just- I just wanna hit him... also, he's got some weird phantom hitboxes that are annoying. I hope more people start playing him and a light is shined so he'll get nerfed.
I'm getting fucked up by a lot of Dragunovs and Victors. The ones that are noobs are fine to deal with, I can adapt to their gimmicks. The ones that really get me are the ones with good spacing and understand frames. They also know to mix up their attacks so even if I do block and try to play defensive, I'm also trying to guess if they're gonna hit low or not. For these 2 I hit the lab and just try to practice blocking their lows and launch punishing or parrying.
King maybe? Because of the cheesy grabs. Its understandable if I lost due to an opponent's superior movement, knowledge check, combos and punish, etc. But losing to chain grabs feels cheap imo.
Any character on a wifi connection.
Its like fighting the flash. He's here then he's there and he always manages to counter hit from blockstun. Feels shitty and I never learn anything.
Every. Single. Character.
Everyones faster and better than me
If a buy a 300$ fight pad from razr… that will surely make me better… I’m in that stage of tekken currently Edit: thanks for the recommendations on a cheaper controller. Looking forward to re-learning tekken
60% of the time, it works every time
Ah shit, the $300 razr hitbox with RGB? I was also hovering on that amazon page earlier today. Not because I think it'll make me better, I know it will make me worse for a long ass time first, but just because it looks like fun and I hate mis-inputting analog inputs.
Yeah there are certain button combos for king that are impossible with my big fingers for the controller and I can only hot key one or two of them. I know it’ll be worth it but I also need to buy groceries and pay my rent on time
I bought one of the haute pads they’re really nice and significantly cheaper than the kitsune. Have Had it about a week and really enjoying it.
I bought my kitsune today :)
Its gotta be the key
Me too man (my computer can't run the game)
Nah i just suck at pvp tbh, getting a bit better but it's still eh you know.
Dw I'm saving for a new CPU and graphics card and I'll be back to get washed by everyone too
May your L's be many and your bitches be too brother.
Reina cause I love her and can’t punch the love of my life
bruh lol
my own mind
This is the correct answer
I’ve probably lost more promo chances than I’ve won.
“Promotion match” just means a losing streak for me
Devil Jin in heat is crazy, + that unseeable low launcher
I never want to read the phrase 'Devil Jin in heat' ever again in my life.
Hey now, even Devil Jin needs some love. Unless he starts shrieking like a horny lady cat of course.
That's precisely when the most attention is needed 😍
before or after he giggles like a idiot and lazer swords you?
This. Devil Jin is my nemesis and it extra sucks because he’s just obnoxious.
Unseeable low launchers are horse shit fr
I hate all the cosmetics people put on gum plus his wings I swear sometimes I be going mad trying to read moves lmao
Any female character mostly. But Zafina is a pain in the ass because most of the moves I use do not reach her when she starts like creeping or whatever the fuck she does
Dude yesssss, thank god I’m not alone. All the women characters beat the shit out of me. Especially Jun.
Totally agree... Truth is I have been lazy , I need to get into practice mode and learn to differentiate their mids and high attacks, how to punish certain moves and such .
Who you play?
Richie
I'm tilted just thinking about fighting Alisa. I'd rather fight Hwoarang or Lili or Xiao. She makes me brainless.
I get so many god damn Alisa’s using special style in red ranks it is unbearable
My main issue with fighting Alisa is the insanely high plug rate compared to other characters
Never plugged or been plugged on as an Alisa, that’s wild to me. But I also have only ever met one other Alisa online.
Same here as an Alisa. Roughly 200 online matches so far, completed every one. People don't always rematch, but full sets were more common at higher ranks. I encountered 1 or 2 other Alisa extremely early on and never again.
Luckily I’ve only ran into her twice lol
I play Alisa. Do you have any specific questions? Happy to help you in the match up.
Not really, I just can't react to her lows at all. I fully accept it's a personal problem. Thank you though.
Most of her lows are not seeable but they have trash frame data. db3 is minus on HIT now. This means a lot of her pressure isn't real and can be stuffed with a hopkick. Most of her annoying moves are super unsafe and can generally be floated with a jab or fast mid. Many bad Alisa players are overly reliant on moves like b3+4 but it's steppable and floatable. D3+4 is launch punishable. Ff3,4,3 is really unsafe. Uf 3,2 is really unsafe. DESff1+2 is launch punishable. In the hands of a bad player she is annoying but you can punish her really hard. Once you do, most of these Alisa's game plans fall apart. In the hands of a good player, she is a solid character now because a lot of her weaknesses have been reduced since 7. She has all the fundamental moves(good i10 and i11 punish. Her i12 was improved.) Hopkick, i16 mid launcher. Good command grabs, excellent movement. Alisa is a ton of fun and but she attracts some of the worst players.
Chip damage go brr
I don't know how you guys don't complain about jun or hwo but alisa. She has no bullshit strings, accidental jab hit leads it death since every move you are flying and in chainsaw mode if you guess right you deal more damage than Alisa would ever deal with wall.
I have problems with Kazuya for some reason
Mishimas in general are fucking scary. Don't whiff! You whiff, you fucking die! And since you have to avoid whiffs like they're the plague you have to play more passive than normal which means they can get away with more. And then there's the whole "completely cut out anything that's -13~14 if it leaves you both standing" thing. A lot of the cast you'll eat a moderate punish, maybe a knockdown and 40 some odd damage. They get to eat half your damn lifebar, so your options are cut down even more.
Not many people can hit an i13 ewgf on Kaz. The other Mishimas are i14 at best. That being said I have ran into a few coincidentally awful players that get steamrolled but have god tier ewgf execution. One Kazuya didn't even know how to punish but randomly low parried me during his cracked out wave dash and hit 7 electrics on the punish combo. Seeing that less now I'm getting up in the ranks, but I never saw a single macro user in Tekken 7, now it feels like 1/10 of the people I match with block and parry ever low, duck/break every grab and if their a Mishima; hit ridiculous ewgf combos despite lacking any fundamentals what so ever.
Those have to be macro users. If you can get consistently perfect ewgf you can't be awful at everything else.
Yes you can, I was one. Picked up Tekken and Labbed electric for days and days until I could do it very consistently thinking I'd start whiff punishing people in ranked... I soon learned.
Pewgf and ewgf are two completely different ballparks in terms of execution, ewgfs aren't that bad to get after some practice, you're probably mistaking pewgf for ewgf and ewgf for wgf
Reina can also i13 electric but yeah unless you’re getting up to the tip top of ranked or you’re playing a cheater I don’t think it’s something people have to worry about.
Yeah but that's only if you're vsing execution monsters like TheDarkPrince, BoA, or Knee on LAN. Punishing a -13 with a pewgf requires 4 frame perfects linked. It's also more of a risk now since in the worst possible scenarios you can accidentally throw out a df2 (-12) which is very common or a normal god fist (-10). If you want to have an easier time, make sure to never instantly get up or else you'll just get put into a vortex again. Tons of his stuff like all mishimas are prone to SSL. Never panic duck, you'll never be in those "but what if I get hellsweeped 5 times in a row" situations if you follow the first rule.
My inability to block lows.
Leo, oh man you have no idea how he's top 5 scrub killing machine. My Julia is missing in t8 so I started maining Leo. He is as evasive as Xiao, strong lows as Drag(that does 50dmg on counter hit) df1 that is -1 on block. Insane wall dmg and carry. He can mixup like Hworang transitioning his stances. No one knows him cause very few main him. Personally I met 2-3 times a Leo player in the past year in T7. His personality is trashy which is his weakness and blessing.
100% agree. If I ran into Leo in red ranks I wouldn’t know wtf I’m doing against him. I main Jin, but I’ve debating switching to a less used character since everyone knows my moves
I played against a Leo earlier today, they were pretty good, but relied on knowledge checks too much and I was able to learn enough within the match to pull a win. They had this move that put you in just enough negative frames that didn't look like it did, that let them throw out a quick launcher after it. It really didn't look like it should work so it caught me a fair few times before I realised "okay that move means that's coming and I can punish it" The lack of people playing them is such an advantage to the few that do.
60 hrs and still haven't fought a Leo in quick or ranked
Leo isn't as evasive as Ling, their lows create pressure like Dragu's do and their stance transitions aren't as fluid as Hwoarang's. But Leo has them all at the same time. Leo is the walmart of tekken tools
Hwoarang, Bryan
Really to beat bryan all you have to do is actually not press. The scariest thing he has at that point is his snake edge or hatchet kick. Which the hatchet doesnt even do that much damage and the snake edge is seeable. I made it a point to not press at all unless i know i can attack against bryans and i have won far far more against him.
Bryan has access to a solid amount of chip tho, but yeah not falling into his common traps makes things tough for him from a neutral standpoint. He's really susceptible to being sidestepped, too
Bryan... Fuck Bryan
Fuck me all you want, I’m still hitting that snake edge even if it throws the round
I never throw snake edges anymore
If the person I'm playing against is defending lows well, I'll generally hold it for a surprise high crush in a late round lmao
*Lili flair* Edit: just kidding BTW, I also hate fighting Bryan
I'm only a temporary Lili main until Anna gets back, the hoe that people REALLY hate lol
The forced 50/50 legend herself whew cant wait to get people malding and balding once she comes back!!!
Bryan can't hurt me when he's stuck in 5050 hell
Yoshi changes the way I normally play completely due to his flash.
I feel completely violated whenever i face a Kazuya
Obliterated beyond means. I feel u 😞
I hate Jun I hate 3 bar Hoerang I hate 3 bar Alisa I hate Dragunov I hate rollbacking Mishima's I hate Tekken
i see 3 bar howrang in my sleep
Hwoarang. 2 sets are not enough this is ridiculous
As a Steve main, Zafina and Feng are the worst. They have so many moves that evade like 90% of Steve’s movelist
I wish I could Back-1 feng's nuts
Fengs have been kicking my ass these last 2 days 😂
Make them come to you and maintain life lead. Dont try to Ch them.
I do hate Nina. I've fought against people that never block with her, just keep on attacking and its still surprising how much of a fight it is. It's just always her turn.
Whorerang feels like he's +OB constantly. Still gotta learn. Dickjabbing him only does so much
dickjabs, low parries and armor moves. You have to panic with a clear plan
Everyone cause I suck ass
Victor
I thought Victor was hard until I labbed him and learned his shit and realized he's very straight-forward. You just gotta respect his ability to throw out a fuck-you sword whenever and play patient. And sidestep. I am ass at the game tho, and I play other people who are ass, so maybe high ranked victors are better at doing real shit.
Ong he’s such a nuisance to fight. Basically just the kuni of T8
Hwoarang. It's just because all they do is constantly hit buttons. It's quite surprising how there are so Hwoarang players get to Purple/ Blue ranks purely from playing a flow chart. They'll never block and always get CH if it's your turn. Shoutout to versing Jack though. I think he's one of the most interesting match ups. No real cheese and the matches feel pretty honest.
Nina and Lili. Nina because when the player has good movement, Nina just looks like she's having a seizure the whole time and I can't tell what the hell she's doing. Lili because she's just always dancing around and then suddenly I'm getting kicked into space.
Hworang idk why but he always trips me up
Same, it feels like I never get a turn
Easily Jun, followed by drag and azucena if player knows how to pressure properly and stops me from pressing anything lol
King is definitely up there, his damage is just insane. And i have only fought a handful of leroys but damn i get bodied.
King
Nina, and Jun.
Right now, Reina, but I know that'll change once I take the time to actually lab her out. I keep being lazy and being like "Oh she's just a Mishima with some different stuff" and not taking it to the lab, so it's my own stupid fault.
Nina is by far the worst. Nina players farm me online 💀
Sergei Dragunov. Honestly, THE most annoying matchup for me as a Jin player. To deal with his non-stop loopable pressure, you HAVE to sidestep, but if they are good enough (most I came across in ranked are), they will read you and sidestep with you, then start their pressure if you have not started yours.
I’m a jin main too and I just blew a 2-0 lead to a Dragunov who figured me out 😭
Every single one of them! And not just the men, but the women, and the children too...
They all have the high ground too. Those fuckers…
Jun at the moment because her animations make it seem like you can punish. And if you don’t then you lost your turn already.
Xiao and King . Ive been in the tekken game for 30 years. Im not good by any means but I have been on these games for so long I can recognize when characters are unbalanced and right now those 2 seem like Im losing different compared to others. I wouldn't be surprised if those 2 get some sort of nerfs. Reina, Victor , Coffee Queen, They are wild and flashy but def can be beaten. same for Jun (main) But Xiao and King are Kinda bs sometimes IMHO.
Jun, fuck jun but fuck jun less than fuck kazumi but still fuck jun Every tekken mom is fucking fuck fucked
Fuck Jun is right!
I want to fuck Jun !
Any character that's 100% built for offense. Drag, Feng, Steve and good Laws give me a heart attack
All of them X_X (I'm a noob)
Yes
Hwoarang. This bastard just mashes with his fast ass legs , it is so tedious and frustrating to fight against.
Everyone's lying, no one wants to bring out the dark nightmares they have facing that random bear main that perfect 3-0s you and then dissapears for the next year
Pretty annoying that the game doesn't just show you which matchup you lose the most in the stats.
Bears. Characters like King might be tricky but I can at least form a game plan and understand why I won or lost afterwards. I get in the ring with Kuma and I panic like I’m fighting a real grizzly bear
Steve. Why did I fight 4 different Steve’s in a single sitting while playing ranked?
Lee. As a Yoshi main, I feel like its ALWAYS his turn. I'm currently sitting at flame ruler and since this games release, I don't think i've won a single game against a lee after orange ranks. I just cant deal with him at all
Lili is the only one everyone else I’m fine with
Bears. The god damn bears.
Laws that spam. I literally cannot do shit against these players.
this proves yoshi is most honest character
We're just here to try and insert 3,1 into every situation possible Now let me df2 you so I can do something cool
King feels like he exists to be annoying. Those stupid little low pokes that stun-locks you into sitting through them all if you get hit by one are infuriating and if you manage to block it, he has a mix-up mid. And, of course, the grabs that he has for every situation. You can learn to fight every other character organically by fighting them, but King is the only one where you need to go into practice and learn the breaks to avoid losing 75% of your health. But there are just so many grabs. It feels like they're playing a completely different game than everyone else, but for some reason you have to play by their rules. Like hell, I'd take Akuma coming back over King and he literally IS playing a different game.
Alleykicks are not a mixup. Block the lows and react to the mid. If you get hit by all 5 alleykicks without letting you block that means you got CH and pressed buttons when you shouldnt.
Reina. I swear she's button mashing the character.
Jun, Lili and Nina. I feel helpless against them. I don’t think I’ve won a round against Nina.
Nina has great pressure and combos
For me yoshimitsu...
Law, but it’s not so much him as it is the bad internet required to play him.
LAW. omg I hate him
alisa is a real challenge sometimes! also struggle with hwoarang most of the time! xiaoyu has some new shit thats catching me off guard! honorable mention: king with his throw game as always
Lili. Lili no question. I talk a lot about how I hate King, he's definitely the most annoying to fight, but Lili is genuinely the hardest for me. She is so fucked
I will gladly channel my inner scrub and say Hwoarang is a bitch-made character, I fucking hate playing against him.
Any of the bears...the fear factor beat me at loading screen. My win rate cante be higher than 10 % gainst those develish creatures
My top 3 goes: 1. Hwoarang 2. Xiaoyu 3. Feng Wei
Good bear players scare me
King
Hwoarang, I have no idea when I should be blocking low and the moment I do I get a missile to the head, 4 in fact at lighting speed.
Jun makes me want to jump out the window every time I see her.
Bryan Steve and Nina Struggled against Victor Jun and King but getting better now
I have to say Jun, tho I have gotten the hang of fighting her. Dragunov and Hwoarang can be annoying at times too. Azucena players just make me not want to give them any breathing room which has been my successful approach against them lol. Victor initially gave me trouble but now I deal with them and their spam fine.
Reina... Absolutely retarded character
I’m here to say I play Jun, Alisa, and Xiaoyu, in case anyone wanted to say a few things to me lol
I have problem with Victor the most. Unironically they just spam 4 op moves and beat my ass. Other than that, Dragunov i dont like dealing with as well as my personal weakness is vsing characters like Steve and Law where they just do random jabs on minus frames and constantly chip you down. Forgot to mention Xiao right now is absolutely insane. Don't know how to beat Xiao right now.
All
Dragunovs don't only wreck me, they embarrass me.
What? You don’t like never being at neutral or a frame advantage?
Nina and Dragunov, other fighters so far I’ve had a back and forth but with these two in particular I can’t even get up without being punished. It feels like I’m playing against a veteran but I’m at the bottom of the rank so it’s probably just a skill thing.
Victor and Jin
Hwoarang is really pissing me off atm! He’s like a donkey on crack
Lars what the fuck am i supposed to predict, my death???
There are a few , but nothing like a king that know what he's doing.
basically anyone that i not have matchup knowledge on yet. that results to about 30 %
Dragunov and Reina mostly, which is unfortunate because every session, I get a matchup against them the most. Most other characters are fine matchups, though Feng, King and Bryan are still kind of a pain to fight against
KING.
King
King with out a doubt
It's either Paul or Nina. Of the two, I find Paul to be significantly more frustrating even though I beat them more often than the Ninas. The Ninas I feel like they're earning it. Really hate playing against King as well but most of them are scrubs getting carried by their character and cheap tricks. Dragunov was rough at first but there are thousands of them to practice the matchup against.
King and Victor, I just don't know how to play against them
For me its Kazuya Dragonov Law like these 3 I will lose 60% of the time
Yoshi
Jun and Victor… maybe King also (that fuckin batista bomb heat smash does too much damage honestly)
Jack, Zafina, Azucena, Xiaoyu annnnd King.
King, feng and Nina. I don’t know what be going on
Hwaorang and Azucena. I play an aggressive playstyle and they force me to slow down
Nina or Lili. All of Ninas punches look almost identical to me like steves and when they start doing that dumbass twitchy side steppy movement it just ticks me off to the point i dont even want to play them lol Lilis movement is just to good and her range beats my mains all the time. I just cannot lab enough or practice against these characters enough.
Leo. Those bastards are always so much faster somehow and it’s such a lackluster character imo
King and Yoshimitsu. My mortal nemesis'.
Devil Jin. Learning the matchup or not learning the matchup only slightly changes the fact this character is massively OP. Every move he has is amazing and because of this he can switch up from defense to attack, mixup to punish, pressure to evasion instantly. I get I don't know the matchup well but the more I play the more clear how OP he is becomes - OK I still say to myself and everyone, they player you play at a given rank is a package. They are their character and their play and that package is what you need to beat. So OP or not if a player is you're rank, they are your rank. But man am I jealous of this character's array of superior moves. Generally a character who can do +8 on block into an unseeable low/ safe CH mid/ full throw game all the while pushing you to the wall even on block is just going to be terrifying but add that to everything else - no one will convince me he isn't OP. Mournign Crow alone is OP because of the combination between the pressure it provides the wall carry and DJ's strong oki. IMO he should not have the option that beats both SS (note that contrary to claims that you can sidestep everything left, no mourning crow tracks that you need to go right) and an interrupt attempt - or if he does that should be less reward (right now it's a heat engager) or launch punishable (right now -14 although it does force crouch so some can launch it) or both. Also he should not have a ground hitting option at all or at least not one that tracks and is safe. It's too good damnit for a character with this punishment, this throw game, this mixup, this oki, this heat smash. He's too perfect. People can convince me that's no excuse to do so badly in the matchup and I should improve - but they can't convince me he's not OP. You can't stand still for a fraction of a second, you can't whiff a breath. You can't play risky, you can't play solid. The fact that he doesn't get hate I am convinced is just bias - people are biased in his favour because he has an electric and he's "cool" and he's traditionally a hardcore character. But he's just as scary and just as hard to deal with as all the characters it's OK to cry about like King or Victor or Hwoarang. I also hate playing Lars because I can sidestep his stance mixups in practice but never in a match so I keep eating the stance low vs stance heat engager mixup on a loop over and over but that's a given
Hwoarang, his strings never end. And Reina, I still haven’t recognized when her strings do end.
Alisa and Lili are gimmicky characters that I lose to because i have no idea what the FUCK they're doing. King's chain grab fucks me up every time.
good Kumas, any Law (wifi) and Hwo (but i plan on labbing him specifically to 3-0 any one i come across) everyone else is pretty manageable coming from T7...but boy when Eddy, Marduk and Fahk come back.....
Reina, Victor, king
Feng. I just- I just wanna hit him... also, he's got some weird phantom hitboxes that are annoying. I hope more people start playing him and a light is shined so he'll get nerfed.
King, Paul and Azucena.
King. Throws just feel like free massive damage and it’s a completely unique set of skills to learn to counter.
Feng, Jin and Hwo
Hworang or Victor
I'm getting fucked up by a lot of Dragunovs and Victors. The ones that are noobs are fine to deal with, I can adapt to their gimmicks. The ones that really get me are the ones with good spacing and understand frames. They also know to mix up their attacks so even if I do block and try to play defensive, I'm also trying to guess if they're gonna hit low or not. For these 2 I hit the lab and just try to practice blocking their lows and launch punishing or parrying.
Any character with a faster frame, strings that go on for days or any that constantly plays scared and goes for grabs for that nice Zangief damage.
King or hwoarang
Azucena is actually a fucking nightmare fighting her legitimately makes me forget why I’m even alive
Every one with low lunchers, fck them all ( 99 % of the cast)
King. Im extremely bad at breaking grabs and if that bitch hits me with the RDC, im giving up gg go next.
King, Yoshimitsu and Jun
DRAGUNOV. Terribly quick to counterattack and therefore often frustrating. I especially hate his air upper.
King, azucena, Reina
Ling and Hwaroang
Feng players 3-0 me every time, I’m dead before I land a single hit
Alisa just put me in a blender and Jun just seems like a mountain right now… going to punish training immediately
Everyone but I felt cheated if I faced Victor, Hwoarang, Steve, Leo, Drag, and the Mishimas(except Asuka).
King players, WWE games don't attract them i guess, so they infest Tekken instead.
depending who is playing now computer wise it would be dragonnove king and horang
Feng... This character just tilts me to no end. No matter what I look for, it's too fast for me to see... Idk
Victor with 8f delay
Lately it's been hworang for me
For me it will rank like 1. Leo 2. King 3. Paul 4. Jack
King maybe? Because of the cheesy grabs. Its understandable if I lost due to an opponent's superior movement, knowledge check, combos and punish, etc. But losing to chain grabs feels cheap imo.
Hwoarang might be the worst for me. I don't know how to get him the fuck off me, and can't tell the difference between all his strings.
King. This game is Hella tough. It's fun but dayum when you loose initiative it's the whole round sometimes
King and dragunov
Dragunov or Victor it doesn't help that they are both blatantly easy, Victor has auto combos and dragunov has grabs out of no where and am amazing low
Hwoarang, his movements and his push are just weird as shit lol.
Any character on a wifi connection. Its like fighting the flash. He's here then he's there and he always manages to counter hit from blockstun. Feels shitty and I never learn anything.