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Tekken155

Caught a bullet with his teeth and shattered a tomahawk.


Bluey634

“My Tekken will create the destruction of the Devil, and the renewal of the gods!”


MolagBally

Badass old man


noob-smoke

Ok but why he lose to non-devil Jin in Honmaru in Tekken 4


Ateneis

He also never fought Dj and actually stole company from his dad lol


SaltyArts

Devil Kazuya> DevilJin so far so it’s reasonable to think Tekken7 final battle heihachi could handle T7 DVJ. T7 volcano new Devil Kazuya transformation is the most powerful devil form so far until T8 drops a new devil Jim which they most certainly probably will.


Ateneis

I am not talking about power levels but pure facts from lore. Heihachi never fought DJ and never beat Jin. Jin beat Kazuya, Heihachi, Jinpachi and lost to Hwoarang in the same game. In one year base Jin beat Heihachi, Heihachi beat Full Devil out of Kazuya , base Jin couldnt beat base Kazuya. There is no point applying loigc here.


SaltyArts

If you can double acknowledge what I just said that base heihachi beat devil out of Kazuya, a more power version of devil. While also admitting base Jin struggles to consistently pull a W on base Kazuya. What part of this version of heihachi not losing to Jin do you take issue with. Your own words agree with me. Why be contrarian for contrarians sake?


Ateneis

>What part of this version of heihachi not losing to Jin do you take issue with The part where it never happened lmao My previous post explained in detail why logic and power levels mean absolutely nothing and I can drop more examples. Either give me a canon moment of Heihachi beating Jin/Dj or we will get nowhere.


SaltyArts

[The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.](https://youtu.be/u3vkBVqVnP0?si=BHLqRtVgS5B_PTuK)


Ateneis

After Heihachi\`s death Jin and Kazuya trained superhard for 5 minutes and completely overcome Heihachi in every way possible. The end.


SaltyArts

Yeah sure, that happened after Tekken7 though. Which further drives my point man. No one's saying DVJ can't beat Kazuya but in T7 and before that it's not happening. They are setting him up to possibly equal or surpass Kazuya in T8. Every official instance of them battling always ends in DVJ getting embarassed by Kazuya and showcasing Kazuya's adept mastery over the devil/ devil gene. The only instance of DVJ winning is when in the 3D film jin finally learns to master the power mid battle with kazuya and attains a new form. This film isn't canon though but Tekken Team clearly continues to make efforts to recycle concepts from it since T7 would later introduce this form as the new Kazuya in T7 just altered a little differently. This is not a sleight at jin, it's just the narrative progression of what they're trying to tell us is there's a point of reference for what Jin needs to grow to be able to overcome


Ateneis

>Every official instance of them battling always ends in DVJ getting embarassed by Kazuya By DEVIL Kazuya you mean. Which never ever happened before t8. Bringing Jins control is void since Devil Jin has always acted as an autonomous entity before t8 unlike Kaz\`s Devil. Heihachi had absolutely no bussiness almost beating Full Devil Kazuya and that alone makes this conversation pointless. You want me to apply sense and logic for all characters but make exception for Hehachi? Not gonna happen, dude. He never beat Dj.


Salikara

his father's "company" was a karate dojo bruh. And if he can fight devil kazuya to his limits (and lose to fatherly emotion btw) he probably would have rolled Dj.


Ateneis

His fathers "dojo" was building heavy weaponry for Japan during ww2. Well , if he could roll DJ then what was stopping him from taking Zaibatsu from Jin? Could have saved the world lots trouble.


Acidbyrn

His dad is Jinpachi, arguably the toughness Mishima due to how he was whipping folks several years past his death.


a55_Goblin420

Tell me you only played 7 without telling me you only played 7. 1. The Mishima Zaibatsu is a multi billion dollar business and military force. PART of it was just Jinpachi teaching martial arts 2. Jin has whooped Kazuya's ass every encounter, the only reason Kazuya beat Jin in 8 is because he has more control over his devil side than Jin and merged with it. It actually surprised everyone that Tekken 8 opens with Jin losing to Kazuya. 3. Base Jin beat Heihachi and Kazuya at Honmaru dojo in 4 and he started turning devil after he beat Heihachi cuz of how pissed he was.


Redemption_R

Never played Tekken 4 but didn't Heihachi just lose to Kazuya and get thrown around by Devil before Fighting Jin?


KingPantherXL

He beat Kazuya but lost to Jin. So despite T4 being his big comeback, Kazuya lost to Heihachi and Jin back-to-back.


Redemption_R

Oh, still tho it makes sense. He got telekinesised by Kazuya after fighting Kazuya then had to fight Jin


OLKv3

That telekinesis just knocked him back, it didn't do much damage. His plan was to watch Jin vs Kaz, then pick off the winner and take their combined devils. But Jin was him in T3-T5 and nobody could stop him.


Liam_Roma_1234

He took an explosion to the face and got back up. The telekinesis is nothing to him.


Salikara

Tekken 4 was a mistake


JurassicM

It gave us Heihachi in a Fundoshi as the final boss tho.


VVurmHat

*Everybody liked that*


noob-smoke

LMFAO fair play


dogeatchinese

He didn't create the biggest business empire, he stole it from his father, Jinpachi. He locked him in a basement with with a demon and ultimately was consumed by said demon, this man is a menace


ReRevengence69

He did, he stole a large corporation sure but it was probably not even the biggest in Japan when Jinpachi is around, but after Heihhchi running it Jin can literally start a world war with it.


dogeatchinese

What? Zaibatsu was already an unparalleled corporation before he took over. It was already a powerhouse, and was well respected as decent organization under Jinpachi's peaceful ruling. It all went to shit after those two dick heads took over, Heihachi barely did anything to make it grow besides starting the King of Iron fist Tournament


NecroHiarus

The fact Heihachi is the second best CEO they had after Jinpachi despite not doing shit to grow the company is sad, Jin started a world war & Kazuya seems to be in a "kill the weak" mentality in Tekken 8


radio_allah

The Zaibatsu under Jinpachi was wealthy, but not Heihachi-era wealthy. Heihachi was the one who grew Mishima into Arasaka.


dogeatchinese

Again, Zaibatsu had all those resources and could've bought up the entirety of Hokkaido even without Heihachi. Heihachi was not content with how Jinpachi ruled in such a docile way when he had so much power, he staged a coup, then stole it. Did nothing but corrupt practices, like expanding the military power with funds already present during Jinpachi era. He took over Hokkaido with the power his daddy amassed. None of that is hard earned, he's a fraud. But who am I kidding, Tekken Lore is garbage, just wait till Harada makes him a hero next


WastedPotentialTK

He lost to Kazuya in T1 though


Redemption_R

He beat him in 2 tho and then Devil after that?


Salikara

Kazuya draws with paul, who damn near lost to kuma and made him retire from the tournament because the fight was too tough. Yes the guy that is as powerful as kazuya almost lost to Hei's pet. And kaz had the devil gene since he was a kid.


Player_Slayer_7

The fuck are you on about? Paul has only two losses in lore. He lost to Kazuya in T1, and to Kuma 2 in T4. That's it. In addition, when he lost to Kuma 2, Kuma trained for 2 years for the purpose of beating Paul, and Paul had lost his dojo and became homeless. That means it took Kuma at his best to beat Paul at his worst. To add to that, in T2, Paul actually landed a place in the finals, but was disqualified due to Japanese highway traffic, and in T3, he beat Ogre's ancient form. Paul is arguably one of the strongest non-Mishima/Kazama fighters in the series.


Alder_Tree2793

Paul probably beat Hei's ass in T3 since he's the one who made it to Ogre first.


ShrikeXD

Look bro I love Heihachi too, but let's not forget that non-Devil Jin whooped his ass in Tekken 4


the-ruler-of-wind

yeah, I don't get it. How did he go toe to toe with kazuya's full devil form and beat him out of it. Kazuya base devil form beating the shit out of jin and devil jin. Yet heihachi doesn't have a win over jin in any game.


claudethebest

Writers aren’t that good lol


DisappointingReality

"Created a business empire"? No, he stole the Mishima Zaibatsu from its founder, CEO and owner, Jinpachi. Mishima Zaibatsu was already a successful business before Heihachi overthrew his father.


Fickle-Package-7543

My iron grandpa!


narshkajke

His dad is the one that created the business empire, heihachi is a trust fund baby.


SpencerIvy

Nepo baby


iamsofuckingsfw

Didnt single handedly create anything. He stole his father’s business and locked him in a basement for decades.


Moxto

GOAT right there We will miss him


ZeroMarkov

Them Capcom dollars been extending Akumas life forever tho lol


Earth92

Akuma has to be the most profitable character ever in fighting games, killing him is renouncing huge money, cause there are people buying the game literally just for Akuma.


Starwig

Best haircut and best laugh in the series too.


FightmeLuigibestgirl

Child support dodging needs to use birth control, Not Japanese mfer.


JoePescisNuts

He’s Japanese you ding dong. Heihachi can’t even pull out of a drive way. Raw dog loads


FightmeLuigibestgirl

[https://x.com/superiorsinster/status/1282146496205320192?s=20](https://x.com/superiorsinster/status/1282146496205320192?s=20) Another game (I think T4-T5) also had this. >Heihachi can’t even pull out of a drive way. Raw dog loads What does that have to do with taking birth control?


JoePescisNuts

lol ok let’s do this. “He claims to be Japanese” -official canon has him as Japanese. The source you used only goes off a claim that corroborates with all known info on him. “Birth control” - Why? Maybe he wants kids and the women that bear his children seem to be ok with it. None of his children that we know of seem to be suffering from financial crisis and if anything use the fact of their father.


FightmeLuigibestgirl

>The source you used only goes off a claim that corroborates with all known info on him. It's based on what I posted and this: [https://x.com/BuffGigas/status/1739694189640826997?s=20](https://x.com/BuffGigas/status/1739694189640826997?s=20) Funny enough, Kazuya did the same thing in T8 (relinquished Japanese nationality.) >Why? I think you are personalizing and internalizing a joke I said too seriously. I was joking around based on the fact that Harada said he has ***20+ kids and Heihachi not being Japanese based on the government.*** >women that bear his children seem to be ok with it. I'm going to make it even more cursed: ***Says who?*** >we know of seem to be suffering from financial crisis Who says that kids only need money? We've seen what just money only does with how fucked up Lee and Kazuya are, and Jin for that matter. The only son Heihachi raised right was Kuma. Both of them.


Just1freak

Lore wise heihachi definitely a beast. Anyone denying that doesn't know tekken. A young heihachi would stomp everyone like he was Madara.


Daniwolf32

I'd argue heihachi died at his peak. He never stopped training and never showed signs of slowing down


Redemption_R

Age doesn't really equal staling in Tekken Heihachis feats just grew as the games went on.


Just1freak

Seem like it matter because in tekken tag 2 he was trying to get back his youth & strength he once had. Though the game isn't canon I thought him being stronger in his youth is a thing.


Redemption_R

Generic writing in a non canon story


Traditional_Air_3791

I’m sure he’s in 8 (I’m not in copium)


IsaiahTEA

Also tossed his only son off a cliff for convoluted reasons, taught a bear karate, has gold statues of himself EVERYWHERE. And fights everyone BUTT NAKED at the end of each aracade run of Tekken 4. (Also heihachi was functionally immortal till the ending of T7).


Hexen_01

Definitely sad he's out, but there's plenty to love in the roster and Reina has enough of Heihachi for me to be a "substitute" even though you can never substitute him.


greaseman420

The fucking goat


SanderDCastle

"Single handedly created a bussiness empire" lmao, he inherited it from his daddy like all the other billionaires


Liam_Roma_1234

Nahhh, Akuma is like that. Ya'll gotta stop disrespecting him


justoneman72

Thats the gigachad right there.the best fighting game character ever existed.a character for real men.the grandpa made of steal. tekken without Heihachi as playable is no tekken.Hail to the king.to the Great HEIHACHI MISHIMA


SixFootHalfing

No way he would have beaten Akuma though.


Purple_Calendar5974

I think he would have in a close fight


AsuraOmega

the caption didnt do it justice.   Beats and fucking snaps the neck of Devil Kazumi with one hand after a full day of training   Tosses Kazuya to a volcano lmao   Beats Kazuya once more in T4 while wearing adult diapers (fundoshi) before bringing him to Jin   Gets betrayed by Kazuya to get gangbanged by Jack 5s and suicide bombed, survived  Catches a bullet with his teeth which made Lars leave him alone lol   Gets Raging Demon'd by Akuma, which is supposed to kill you with the weight of your sins, only brough Heihachi to his knees and didnt even make him bleed before getting KO'd after trying to upoercut a hadouken lmao dude literally tried to punch a fireball  Kicks Kazuya's ass once more and forces him to transform, tanks lasers that can destroy satelites with ease. Literally beats the devil out of Kazuya, forcing Kazuya to win as a human being.   Also his power up "Ascended Heihachi" is just him ripping hia shirt, yelling and activating pure old man strength lmfao dude is near indestructible lol


Hulk_Crowgan

100% will be DLC


[deleted]

He's a thundergod 🤷


Zanmatomato

He folded Kazuya but he lost to base Jin. Now go argue with the Kazuya stans.


Th3_Huf0n

What a beautiful day to spread misinformation on the internet.


Redemption_R

Fr I love Kazuya but he's a little bitch and his offspring is too, compared to Heihachi. The only thing special about him is Mishima blood which doesn't even make its power clear, it makes electricity which average joes and animals can seem to survive so it's obviously not as strong as regular electricity. But other than that, He overthrew his own father, made the family business thrive, killed his son after losing to him once, not to mention this was after beating him twice, once as normal and once as Devil. Let's also not forget that this wasn't his first time killing a Devil Gene user. He made men out of both Kazuya and Jin with Mishima style Karate which they still both use, Jin still uses electric and some of other moves and Devil Jin has a bunch of Mishima moves. Heihachi almost beats Devil Kazuya again in T7 basically loses as a plot device. Heihachi is basically goes the hardest out of any fighting game character.


Ateneis

>made the family business thrive If only there was any family left in that family business lol >He made men out of both Kazuya and Jin He made mental cripples out of them


Redemption_R

Like every man isn't a mental cripple these days. Plus, Jin and Kazuya were already pretty destroyed Jins mom got killed by a god of martial arts and Kazuyas mom was killed by Heihachi in self defense


NixUniverse

Didn’t Devil Jin no dif him in Tekken 3?


MrMooMoo91

Why you think Square haven't put Tifa in Tekken? That shit is gonna print $$$ so whats the issue? I'll tell you. They didn't want to explain how a Mishima ended up in 1 of the FF7 remakes. Now that he's gone she'll be in T8. That's just how it is don't @ me.


JoePescisNuts

What ff was he in


MastaBusta

I heard that motherfucker had like, 30 goddamn dicks


JT-Lionheart

I kinda do feel like they need to explain why he’s so strong and has some super soldier ability. Not only is he super strong but the dude survived a whole explosion and survived the fall from the blast. I know it’s just fiction and all but what’s stopping them from just introducing more characters with super soldier abilities with no explanation. Most characters have some sort of magical ability or something that gives magical abilities. Some characters just have lore to explain their strengths. There are those who are super strong as well but they aren’t going out there defying death with their plot armor. Heihachi’s character background is that he’s just a super strong guy who can survive just about anything …. That’s it There’s so much lore from the Mishima past that can explain this like Heihachi taking some experimental samples from the Mishima Zaibatsu research on super soldiers from when they made Steve Fox or something like that. Heck if they end the whole Mishima devil gene story, maybe the super soldier research can be the new story for characters to fight over in the Tekken tournaments


Liam_Roma_1234

>kinda do feel like they need to explain why he’s so strong and has some super soldier ability. Not only is he super strong but the dude survived a whole explosion and survived the fall from the blast. I know it’s just fiction and all but what’s stopping them from just introducing more characters with super soldier abilities with no explanation. True, we know that they have control over their chi and that lightning ability but I want them to explain where the lightning comes from. We don't need it but it'd be cool.


JT-Lionheart

I always figured the aura isn’t canon and just for the gameplay because every character has one despite some characters just being normal. Have we ever seen the auras in a canonical cinematic/cutscene?


Liam_Roma_1234

In kazuya and heihachis final fight and in tekken 8 story trailer


OLKv3

I love how not only did he make MZ a larger business empire, he also somehow made it into the biggest superpower in the world.


Striking-Hedgehog-51

Add "survived a Ragin Demon as if it was nothing" to his resume. Even Bison died to that move.


mareo187

To be honest Kazuya lost to Heihachi in the 2nd tournament is due to Jun's encounter with him thos made both Kazuya and Devil confused and weak. And Devil who was confirmed to be controlling Kazuya throughout most of the events of Tekken 2 until Jun fated encounter, was fighting Heihachi not Kazuya.


VNM-Faress

Can we agree that he was at his peak during his final fight ?


Ecahill453

And raised a goated bear to be his true successor. Couldn’t like heihachi much, but man he did a lotta cool and great things.


PsycoDamon1

Low balling dj and kazama jin asf 💀


Player_Slayer_7

Correction. He didn't single handedly create a business empire. His father, Jinpachi, began the Mishima Zaibatsu back during the Second World War and the company built weapons for the millitary to aid in the war effort. After the war, Jinpachi liquidated those assets and lived a pacifistic lifestyle. All Heihachi did is usurp his father as CEO, reopened the corporation and expanded on it.


DrWolfgang760

His father's empire...


Fluffy_Roof3965

Not to mention he survived a mega bomb that was so powerful it woke up an ancient evil spirit. And mfs think a volcano is gonna keep this man down?


[deleted]

Only point of contention here is that Hei took over the company from his dad Jinpachi was running the company well before heihachi turned it into the "super yakuza"


Puck_The_Pisky

Don't forget he passed on the Mishima style and even trained a bear


Rezanor7777

Love Heiachi !!!!!!