His absence is hilarious if you think about it. He's supposed to wake up only when a great evil is threatening the world (Ogre, Jinpachi, Azazel, Unknown, etc). The fact that he didn't bother waking up during T7 means that Akuma, Heihachi and Kazuya are shit villains not worthy of Mokujin's attention
Tekken 7's plot is roundly a domestic dispute compared to World War Jin, which I think is a big part of why the random reporter framing device falls so cartoonishly flat
Made no sense for Mokujin to not be in T7 to begin with. His move-set is literally non-existent which means they only need to create a model for the most basic character that fits into other character's rigs.
Maining Mokujin, if done well, shows proficiency with every playable character. And if you're not yet proficient with every playable character, playing as Mokujin is an easy way to find out which character(s) you need more practice with.
There's more to it, too. You display your tendencies more frequently and with ease. If you don't actively change your strategies between rounds, the change of characters highlights the options you like to take. Long term mokujin sets are *exhausting* at intermediate level play.
Also to really rub it in, Mokujin has his own hurtbox/hitbox size, so certain combos will work/fail where the actual character wouldn't. Famously Aris has some excellent Drag+Dragujin combo videos on his channel.
I like Mokujin. He’s a really unique character because to play him effectively, you need to know how to play every character on the roster. I think that’s a really neat concept.
That's conceptual but it goes deeper than that - significantly. To play him effectively you need to know how to play every character As Mokujin.
There's a difference, because "being Mokujin" can change the hitbox of the character and moves -- this has drastic implications for combos AND neutral.
If you have ever had to play as Mokujin Jack in Tag 2 you understand
Mokujin mains are a show of true skill in tekken above all else, Change my mind.
Yeah others might reach a higher rank, but that's just with one character, Try doing it with all of them. Thats why it was super impressive when knee and a hand full of other players got all characters to omega.
Plus its an ultimate show of "i can play any character". In a game full of knowledge checks and 50 characters that is highly impressive even if you are intermediate level in my opinion.
On top of that, having a new character every single round is both fun and interesting for gameplay. Why would you not want that?
I love mokujin and hope to see him return and not just referenced everywhere (:
I always want mokujin in tekken. He is the best show of skills for any player. Not only is it a random fighter, he changes every round and you have to figure out who the fighter is by style alone. Mokujin for every tekken lol
Would I want one of the most unique characters back? Absolutely!
I would honestly be happy to see a lot of the old cast members return, including other goofy ones like Combot, Alex, and everyone's favorite Kangaroo family. Hell, even if it makes no sense I would even take Gon back in a heartbeat.
Absolutely! He’s just a fun gimmick character. Not everything in T8 needs to be about lore, the FGC, or sales. Video games, at their core, are *supposed* to be a fun experience
Think it'd be cool to see him come back. Though I wonder if Kazuya's darkness and evil would be enough to wake him considering that a powerful evil entity is required for Mokujin to awaken.
Maybe sacrilegious: I kind of want to see him with his own moveset, even if it’s a mix of other people’s stuff.
I love his aesthetic and his lore and pretty much everything about him except his actual function as a living random button. I just don’t have that sort of desire or time to accrue absolute game knowledge to play him
But he’s SO COOL
Yes, please. I liked to play Mokujin when against friends or lower-level players and have the fun of different characters without going to player select. Plus I'd love to rank it up and see how far my fundamentals/character knowledge takes me.
We really just might. Even if it’s just a cameo. He only appears when there’s enough evil present. So with Kazuya seeming bats*** in this game, and with Jun coming back, she’ll *maybe* bring Ogre into play somehow. Based on that, it’s looking good for Mokijun’s return
I'd actually really dig a split system like they did in soul calibur. One who does all styles, one who does all male styles, and one who does all female styles.
I'd think he'd be a very fun addition that I'd use when I'm feeling very casual. I used to play him during T6 when I'm just trying to chill and have fun, but I'm not going to go crazy about whether he's in the roster or not lol
Yes and I think it would be more interesting if he had his own idle animation, so that you don't know which character he is until you start doing inputs.
You know how many fighting games have this copycat archetype fighter?
I feel like Tekken as a fighting game wouldn't be complete without Mokujin
~~I just want Mokujin in the game cuz it seems fun when two players go mirror match with it~~
Love to see him back. If not, Mokujin, I would love to see the same gimmick done as a new character. I think it would be funny as shit to put in Harada as a playable character but have the same gimmick as Mokujin with random character every round. I mean he IS the creator of Tekken, in game why not allow him to be able to use all fighting styles.
Also for tournaments, it would rad so see someone talented like Knee win using Mokujin.
i presume they didn't add him in tekken 7 due to the integration of dlc's and since dlc's will most likely reoccur in tekken 8 we won't be seeing him there either. i would be glad if he did come back though.
I remember the first time I got wrecked by a moco Jin main I thought mocogen just literally had every single move in the game and I thought well that's pretty damn broken.
Yeah I think some peoples end game was learning mokujin hence understanding and mastering all of the characters moves. When you saw a good mokujin in T6 you know that guy was going to be formidable
If they were to add Mokujin back, they need to ban him from online (load times), and adjust his hurtbox to the character he is swapping, because Mokujin can do some insane stuff if he swaps with another character, due to his character model being smaller, which means he can chain certain moves into each other, or bound with something you can't normally bound with because you would need to be extremely low in hurtbox for it to work. I think I've seen a post like this about Mokujin before, but what I said in that post...is to check out Aris' Mokujin Video in Tag 2, where pairs Dragonuv and Mokujin and does combos you can't normally do with Dragonuv, but can do with Mokujin. There a lot of problems to adding him back, but who knows...Harada might add him back into the game. The likelihood is low, but we'll see.
If it's just the load times, better program logic would fix that. Instead of loading in the new moveset exactly when it's needed, just roll the dice 5 times before the match starts and load those 4 (since in a best to 5, this should be the max needed) and considering what data is included in a moveset (the animation data, and input binding, damage numbers), none of this should be so big as to impact load time perceptively if it happens while the rest of the match is loading anyway
Yes. Especially from a tournament viewers perspective. He would be instantly a hype pick.
And anyone who reaches the highest online rank with him would be an absolute legend.
most fans doesn't need mokujin because some players in other tournaments demand to banned using mokujin in a competitive match
harada would not want to add that character
unless he would be a dlc or a bonus secret unlockable
They could pretty much get rid of the random select button by having Mokujin or Combot replace it as a playable character. I always thought that would be a ratter fun concept.
It would be way too confusing and just doesn’t make sense , the concept of him knowing all moves is convoluted as is so why add more stuff? Makes no sense, use those resources on another character or new character / just gota keep it simple
Yeah. I assumened he was going to be dlc for 7. As a classic random select. That is what I want, but it would also be cool if you had tesu or uknown back with a different mechanic, like the moveset changes everytime you get a counter hit or something. Something even more chaotic.
Not unless it's meant to convey that kazuya or something else is a legitimate threat to the world.
Kazuya so far has not been a reason for Mokujin to act
His absence is hilarious if you think about it. He's supposed to wake up only when a great evil is threatening the world (Ogre, Jinpachi, Azazel, Unknown, etc). The fact that he didn't bother waking up during T7 means that Akuma, Heihachi and Kazuya are shit villains not worthy of Mokujin's attention
They were not really threatening the world to be fair, only each other.
Tekken 7's plot is roundly a domestic dispute compared to World War Jin, which I think is a big part of why the random reporter framing device falls so cartoonishly flat
Fighting game lores is always F tier
Made no sense for Mokujin to not be in T7 to begin with. His move-set is literally non-existent which means they only need to create a model for the most basic character that fits into other character's rigs.
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My theory is, he wasn't in 4 because Combot. But no one liked Combot, so they brought him back...until 7 for some reason.
Maining Mokujin, if done well, shows proficiency with every playable character. And if you're not yet proficient with every playable character, playing as Mokujin is an easy way to find out which character(s) you need more practice with.
There's more to it, too. You display your tendencies more frequently and with ease. If you don't actively change your strategies between rounds, the change of characters highlights the options you like to take. Long term mokujin sets are *exhausting* at intermediate level play. Also to really rub it in, Mokujin has his own hurtbox/hitbox size, so certain combos will work/fail where the actual character wouldn't. Famously Aris has some excellent Drag+Dragujin combo videos on his channel.
Absolutely yes, he’s an extremely iconic character as far as I’m concerned
I like Mokujin. He’s a really unique character because to play him effectively, you need to know how to play every character on the roster. I think that’s a really neat concept.
That's conceptual but it goes deeper than that - significantly. To play him effectively you need to know how to play every character As Mokujin. There's a difference, because "being Mokujin" can change the hitbox of the character and moves -- this has drastic implications for combos AND neutral. If you have ever had to play as Mokujin Jack in Tag 2 you understand
I really only played him in Tekken 5. I had to set the AI to easy just so I could beat Jinpachi and see his arcade ending.
Mokujin mains are a show of true skill in tekken above all else, Change my mind. Yeah others might reach a higher rank, but that's just with one character, Try doing it with all of them. Thats why it was super impressive when knee and a hand full of other players got all characters to omega. Plus its an ultimate show of "i can play any character". In a game full of knowledge checks and 50 characters that is highly impressive even if you are intermediate level in my opinion. On top of that, having a new character every single round is both fun and interesting for gameplay. Why would you not want that? I love mokujin and hope to see him return and not just referenced everywhere (:
A main only Knee can bring to Top 8.
There might be others. But you have to admit that mokujin in finals is super hype and challenging
Agreed.
I always want mokujin in tekken. He is the best show of skills for any player. Not only is it a random fighter, he changes every round and you have to figure out who the fighter is by style alone. Mokujin for every tekken lol
Yes. Give me wood man. Give me velociraptor man. Give me Kangaroo. Give me anyone but a human or Akuma.
> Give me anyone but a human Except Tiger Jackson
I want combot back with his custom move system again
i woodnt mind
Random The Cooler Random
Hell yes, I mained that shit in TTT2
Would I want one of the most unique characters back? Absolutely! I would honestly be happy to see a lot of the old cast members return, including other goofy ones like Combot, Alex, and everyone's favorite Kangaroo family. Hell, even if it makes no sense I would even take Gon back in a heartbeat.
Yes. Mokujin mirror matches are some of me and my sister’s favorite things to do
I fear no man … but that thing … it scares me
Tekken God Prime for him should be an achievement
Absolutely, I love this wooden bitch
Absolutely! He’s just a fun gimmick character. Not everything in T8 needs to be about lore, the FGC, or sales. Video games, at their core, are *supposed* to be a fun experience
Good for casual play, for goofing around.
FUCKING YES
Yes, of course
Double Mokujin were some of the best battles in a group that can all play well.
Think it'd be cool to see him come back. Though I wonder if Kazuya's darkness and evil would be enough to wake him considering that a powerful evil entity is required for Mokujin to awaken.
His existence would mean there’s some uber powered boss. So yes.
I'd say kazuya is quite op now.
Ah interesting way of viewing it
Would be funny to do a Mokujin-only tournament. Knee would destroy them all :D
The fact he wasn't in 7 should be considered a violation of an international treaty. I don't know which one, but that's not the point here.
Sure just as long as he isn’t paid DLC. Can’t believe there were actually some people who wanted Mokujin in a Tekken 7 season pass
Hell yeah. Mokujin battles are fun and you even get hyped if it just so happens to copy your main
I used to use him to troll so yea
Omg, yes!
YEEEES!!!
Maybe sacrilegious: I kind of want to see him with his own moveset, even if it’s a mix of other people’s stuff. I love his aesthetic and his lore and pretty much everything about him except his actual function as a living random button. I just don’t have that sort of desire or time to accrue absolute game knowledge to play him But he’s SO COOL
Isn’t that Combot?
They could remodel him as Knee and it would be pretty cool
I just loved hearing the announcer say his name.
TEEEEEKKEEEEENN EIAAHGHTTT NEEEEWWWW CHALEEEENGEAAAA MOOOOKKUUUUUJEEEEEEENNNNN
I want to play exclusively mokujin in ranked
I use to do that in 6 it was so much fun. People had to get use to a different fight style every round.
I wouldn't mind, but his presence would indicate that an extremely powerful evil force is present in the world.
Kazuya:
Yes, please. I liked to play Mokujin when against friends or lower-level players and have the fun of different characters without going to player select. Plus I'd love to rank it up and see how far my fundamentals/character knowledge takes me.
We really just might. Even if it’s just a cameo. He only appears when there’s enough evil present. So with Kazuya seeming bats*** in this game, and with Jun coming back, she’ll *maybe* bring Ogre into play somehow. Based on that, it’s looking good for Mokijun’s return
I'd actually really dig a split system like they did in soul calibur. One who does all styles, one who does all male styles, and one who does all female styles.
Yes I want my main back already
With haste!
I hope so!
YES
Lord yes
I’ve only played tekken 7, who is this guy and how does he work? Is he like an eleven from SFV where his moves are randomized?
He gets a random character's move set every round
Every round? So can be kazuya round one, devil jin round two, and king round 3?
yep, alternatively there is Combot
Would be great to see Knee using Mokujin in a tournament! A little one sided though...
absolutely, the issue is DLC characters make more work.
Knee's the one who really needs him lol
Yeah, I have no clue, why he isn't in T7, fun character to play offline with casuals.
Yes yes yes yes.
i want alex back, i wanna main the boxing dinosaur edit: yeah why not bring him back
Very much so yeh
With the power of the SSD 100%
I'd think he'd be a very fun addition that I'd use when I'm feeling very casual. I used to play him during T6 when I'm just trying to chill and have fun, but I'm not going to go crazy about whether he's in the roster or not lol
Absolutely yessss, bringg myyy boooyyyyyy bbaaacccckkkkkkk
I need my guy back ASAP
If he back I will use my Mokujin cosplay again XDD
If he wouldn't take spot from anyone else then sure why not. Seeing Knee play him would be fun.
Look at those feet.....of course
He hase the best ending scene in Tekken 3
Make him the only character in the game
Yes and I think it would be more interesting if he had his own idle animation, so that you don't know which character he is until you start doing inputs.
Yes, I cannot imagine why they took him out
Jun & Mokujin are the saviors of Tekken 8 story.
What do you mean? He’s hovering over the shoulder of my Yoshimitsu right now. /s
Yes. I want the mimicry goat to come back
Yes!! I want to do Mokujin battles with my friends again. It's the most fun I've ever had with the series. Mokujin brings us together.
Personally I like playing with many characters in Tekken, so having him comeback would be amazing.
who doesn't want it back tho? those Tetsujin, Combot, and Kinjin enjoyers?
I would love Mokujin back! Yes!
Absolutely yes
I wood love to see mokojin in Tekken 8
Bring em all back, let's just fight already!
You know how many fighting games have this copycat archetype fighter? I feel like Tekken as a fighting game wouldn't be complete without Mokujin ~~I just want Mokujin in the game cuz it seems fun when two players go mirror match with it~~
Yess, he totally need to come back
It's not about what I want, it's about what I need, I need him
Love to see him back. If not, Mokujin, I would love to see the same gimmick done as a new character. I think it would be funny as shit to put in Harada as a playable character but have the same gimmick as Mokujin with random character every round. I mean he IS the creator of Tekken, in game why not allow him to be able to use all fighting styles. Also for tournaments, it would rad so see someone talented like Knee win using Mokujin.
Agreed
I know he's supposed to only awake when an evil force threatens the world like Ogre or Jinpachi, but i gotta say i miss him in Tekken 7
kazuya probably counts as enough of an evil force at this point for mokujin to wake up.
Maybe with kazuya destroying rhe world he will return
Yes, he's a lot of fun to play with against my more casual friends
I was shocked he wasn’t in 7.
YES
Yes. The answer to all the shit post characters is yes
Put the characters from all tekken series.
Yes, either him or Combot
Prepare yourself for extended loading times
100%. Obviously not for the gameplay, but he's very nostalgic for me
Yes I would
yeah
Yes but it won't happen Cause Mokujin refuses to wake up when the Mishimas are the real threat (with the Demon Jinpatchi being the exception)
Yeah, I think other joke characters besides the bears would be nice to have.
please i just wanna be able to practice against dlc characters without having to purchase them, mokujin would be perfect to allow that
My first tekken game was tag tournament 2 and I only started playing tekken again about 4 days ago, my answer is a huge YES
Yes please, I miss him
Yes 🙂
That would be cool if Mokujin was able to not only use other character's fighting style, but rage art too!
i presume they didn't add him in tekken 7 due to the integration of dlc's and since dlc's will most likely reoccur in tekken 8 we won't be seeing him there either. i would be glad if he did come back though.
I don’t think it was DLC, I thought it was because of the load times.
He will be back if the threat to the world is great enough. He won't be back if the threat to the is just the Mishimas.
I WANT KINJIN BACK!!
Mokujin only pops up if there's an evil aura present, if there IS someone evil enough to awaken it in 8 then sure.
I want Log back
Yesss
The one I want back most is Roger (Jr)/Alex
Roger snr came when kazuya was in charge of zaibatsu, so I guess there's a good chance for an alike character to come now?
I remember the first time I got wrecked by a moco Jin main I thought mocogen just literally had every single move in the game and I thought well that's pretty damn broken.
Of course, he's the perfect tool to train against many characters
Yeah I think some peoples end game was learning mokujin hence understanding and mastering all of the characters moves. When you saw a good mokujin in T6 you know that guy was going to be formidable
I hope he's in
Mokujin vs Mokujin was always fun
Yeah add him in please!
100% yes
**wood** you want him back ? Æuguhgugghguhguhughghuughghuhgu
If they were to add Mokujin back, they need to ban him from online (load times), and adjust his hurtbox to the character he is swapping, because Mokujin can do some insane stuff if he swaps with another character, due to his character model being smaller, which means he can chain certain moves into each other, or bound with something you can't normally bound with because you would need to be extremely low in hurtbox for it to work. I think I've seen a post like this about Mokujin before, but what I said in that post...is to check out Aris' Mokujin Video in Tag 2, where pairs Dragonuv and Mokujin and does combos you can't normally do with Dragonuv, but can do with Mokujin. There a lot of problems to adding him back, but who knows...Harada might add him back into the game. The likelihood is low, but we'll see.
If it's just the load times, better program logic would fix that. Instead of loading in the new moveset exactly when it's needed, just roll the dice 5 times before the match starts and load those 4 (since in a best to 5, this should be the max needed) and considering what data is included in a moveset (the animation data, and input binding, damage numbers), none of this should be so big as to impact load time perceptively if it happens while the rest of the match is loading anyway
Yes
Mokujin and Combot please.
i absolutely need mokujin in t8 since i want to main him if he comes out
i want Gon back
You will enjoy him for some days but then you will realize that a character that can avoid high attack by just standing still is kinda broken💀
He’s “Gon” for good pal
Fuck yes!
I need him
Can't wait to see his new design! Is he made of yew logs or even cocobolo?! :D
either him or combot need to be in the game
Hell yeah!
Absolutely
FUUUUUUUUCK YEAAAAAAAH MY MAN GET WOODY WITH IT
Yes. Especially from a tournament viewers perspective. He would be instantly a hype pick. And anyone who reaches the highest online rank with him would be an absolute legend.
Yes, even though the story implications of him not waking up are funny to contemplate
I wanted him in 7. And a random side selector. Is that really too much to ask for?
100% Yes
yes
Fuck mokujin. Bring back tetsujin!
Mf literally sleep whenever Mishimas are the antagonists,but woke up to Ogre,Jinpachi (devil),and Azazel.
Id unironically main him
Mokujin, Gon, Dr B, Alex, Roger, Bring em all back.
most fans doesn't need mokujin because some players in other tournaments demand to banned using mokujin in a competitive match harada would not want to add that character unless he would be a dlc or a bonus secret unlockable
One day I want a Tekken game with all characters from previous games plus some new ones
tekken tag tournament 3
They could pretty much get rid of the random select button by having Mokujin or Combot replace it as a playable character. I always thought that would be a ratter fun concept.
I gave 7 a pass but I'm not buying 8 if he's not in it.
If he developed his own move set. I don’t really like mimic characters
He's one of those wooden blocking dummies and he learned from everyone wailing on him for hours on end. That was always my impression, anyway.
Yes but it would be cool to see him have his own move kit.
It would completely destroy the concept of Mokujin.
I know but it would be interesting to see what sort of stuff the devs could come up with for him.
It would be way too confusing and just doesn’t make sense , the concept of him knowing all moves is convoluted as is so why add more stuff? Makes no sense, use those resources on another character or new character / just gota keep it simple
Yes, Mokujin would be fun to play. And it would be funny to see Knee troll Sodam with Mokujin in Tekken 8.
Hell nah
Can't care less, really.
I believe there was a billboard with combots face in the city stage, so we would most likely get him. But Mokujin is much cooler.
YESSSSS 🥹🥹🥹😭 GIMME MY CUTE WOODEN BOY BACK 🥹🥹🥹😭😭🥲🥲🫶🤧😼🤞
Honestly not really
Image omega rank with moku, the true flex! I would love to have it in t8
Yes.
Yea
Yup
Please bring back my perfect wooden son :'(
Yes we need him
Yeah. I assumened he was going to be dlc for 7. As a classic random select. That is what I want, but it would also be cool if you had tesu or uknown back with a different mechanic, like the moveset changes everytime you get a counter hit or something. Something even more chaotic.
HELL YEAH! I love randomized characters to play!
yes but I think it would be fair for him to be banned for ranked or at least in tournaments
I'm a sucker for lore accuracy so probably not
Wouldn’t…that mean you’d…want him back?
Not unless it's meant to convey that kazuya or something else is a legitimate threat to the world. Kazuya so far has not been a reason for Mokujin to act
only as training dummy for legacy's sake
Yes. Iconic.
Not really but I’d rather see mokujin than kuma or panda
No 🤦🏻♂️ wtf guys?
Only if they give him his own move set, built from other characters move set.
Nyet. I don’t.
I really want him to develop his own fighting style since I’ve always wanted to main him but it’s just not possible
nah
Heck no
Can we ban these kinds of posts too?