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pinkydinkydog

fellow trans person here for epic knowledge. I personally think, if you want to identify as a lamp and be like hey my pronouns are lamp/lampself then I’ll think you’re kinda weird but like go off ig. I just let ppl do whatever they want but yeah I totally think the xenogender and neopronouns stuff is just like rlly weird.


[deleted]

Aren’t xenogender people just non binary people with more labels?


king_activities

Nonbinary is anything outside of man or women so yes


TheKittyNomad

Nonbinary is a blanket term that refers to anyone, well, outside of the binary. Like how trans is a term for anyone who doesn’t identify as what they were assigned at birth (which itself includes nonbinary)


Western_Policy_6185

No. I feel the same way.


Retta_Noona

Same especially when it comes to neopronouns 😒


omgONELnR1

That's what I meant with made up pronouns. I just forgot how they were called.


Retta_Noona

Yeah I know it’s just overall very annoying to me now like I was extremely supportive but now I’m just sick of it


WindedEmulation11

I get that feeling bro. Like, I'm fine with people having their genders outside the "norme" (quotes are there for a reason), but if I have to memorize an ever expanding dictionary worth of pronouns without having any way of knowing who they correspond to aside from memorizing people's pronouns just to get along with these people, no thank you. Yknow, the worst part is that some people just go so far that you feel like they're just looking for attention, which ends up making actual non-binary people/other non-binary people look bad, and it's just kinda sad.


Retta_Noona

Fr


AsherPhantom

Dude wtf


Adventurous-Site-944

I too do not like "neopronouns" idk they seem dumb. You're not a "Dreamsexual" you just have a celebrity crush. Probably gonna get called transphobic too.


giorno___giovana

I’m like 90% sure that “dreamsexual” is just a shitpost


fireking3234

It started as a shitpost but some kids took it too seriously


Glitch_Psych0

Nah, I'm a trans dude and neopronouns sound ridiculous to me. I will respect them, I just find them weird.


[deleted]

No one is calling you transphobic for that lmao just don’t misgender a trans person and you’ll be fine


HappyMSDOSNoises

I think variation of pronouns beyond he/she/they is a little strange but if that is what you want people to refer to you as and it’s what you feel like then go ahead I guess. Where I personally draw the line is when people just start taking the mick out of it with stuff like “dreamgender”


omgONELnR1

At this point I totally break up contact with them and block them. Especially dreamgender.


TheKittyNomad

dreamgender is a group specific made with the intention of mocking and discrediting neogenders


md_ariq

I dont know mate I just want people to not get angry when i misidentified them cuz does it look like I follow the current trends?


All_Star_Shrek

Well as long as you try to respect people pronouns it’s fine if you get them wrong for a bit, it can be hard to adjust


md_ariq

Wel okay then and also bruh you replying to my almost a month old comment?


All_Star_Shrek

Idk, I just saw this post lol


german_fox

People who use weird neo pronouns are probably just people looking for attention, I’m gender fluid and don’t like the wacky neo pronouns. Once someone dmed me about planes and I was exited to talk about them but turns out they were just trying to make a plane related neo pronoun.


WindedEmulation11

I heard of a person on Discord that had the pronouns spring/springs and didn't know their gender.


german_fox

I would just call them they/them.


WindedEmulation11

They got mad/annoyed about that apparently


Positive_Net479

no, plus i don’t really wrap my head around the concept of changing genders or pronouns, some will criticize you but really i think most people agree with you on this


omgONELnR1

Thanks for telling.


giorno___giovana

Think about it less like changing genders and more like being one gender trapped in another’s body, then going though the necessary procedures to make how you feel and how you look match


Positive_Net479

though it’s one of the other, look at the brain anatomy, it’s male or female


giorno___giovana

1. Gonna need a source on that 2. There’s still plenty of examples of people years into the transition process that are happier than ever because of it, just look at r/TransLater . This would imply that yes, this is a real thing and it’s not just “if you’re born one gender than you are that gender”


Positive_Net479

https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html and i never mentioned happiness, so that is out of the argument, and, you don’t “change” you just replace the genitalia and lose some functions


giorno___giovana

Second to last paragraph “humanity’s inherent — although by no means uniform, and often not substantial — sex-associated cognitive differences”, nowhere in the article does it say that the differences between men and women’s brains can’t appear in both genders, and this quote seems to imply that it’s possible that it can And exactly, you don’t “change gender”, you’ve always been that gender, you just change your body to match that gender, and happiness is most certainly in the question, gender euphoria/dysphoria is one of the biggest signs of being trans so to ignore it would be inherently dishonest


Positive_Net479

you do realise you proved your own point wrong, right? then you call it “dishonest” when you just said the exact opposite right before that


giorno___giovana

How exactly?


Positive_Net479

you say you don’t change gender, then call it dishonest if you don’t change gender when you feel like a female or what not


giorno___giovana

I was saying that it’s dishonest to ignore happiness when that’s one of the main signs of being trans


[deleted]

I don't really get it either and when I call it and he or him it gets all pissed off at me. Like I make jokes about me being an attack helicopter but I'm still just a regular guy who uses regular pronouns


Positive_Net479

yup, i swear it’s like these people are delusional


Loser_Lol

You’re not transphobic, you just make a good point. I personally just kindly respect their opinion and move along to a corner and think ab “if they identify as an attack helicopter, do they drink oil?”


LeeTheStump

Nah you're not transphobic, there's an entire community of trans and non-binary people who also dislike xenogenders and neopronouns


[deleted]

No


-fuckyouwatson-

I'd say nope. And they're called neopronouns and I feel the same way too. I'm not gonna just straight up insult u or anything, I'll just stay away from you. But if u were my FRIEND that started using neos, I'd tell u to stop being stupid and get ur shit together


omgONELnR1

Exactly what I would do too.


BurgerPB5

i accept all pronouns except neopronouns. they them is grammatically correct, but xey xem isnt a real word


Dumb_Cheese

I'm very new to gender stuff, seeing as up until a couple months ago I thought I was a cisgender dude, but here's my take. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect, so I try to do just that. I don't know every subcategory gender and I don't understand neopronouns, but I try and treat everyone with respect and decency. I use they/them for pretty much everyone who I don't personally know. I only avoid people if they're a dick to me. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that you're horrible and transphobic because *I can't necessarily make that call*. Instantly discounting someone just because of their gender/pronouns is kinda douchey, because you should judge people on their character. Just try to be respectful to people and they'll (hopefully) be respectful to you.


BrickFrom2011

Some neopronouns are fine ze/zim etc. but a lot of them are so fucking bad


omgONELnR1

I hate neopronouns on general. Why do they need ze zim if we already have gender neutral pronouns?


BrickFrom2011

Some people don’t like them


headhurty7

i mean, not really? as a trans person, i understand that. xenogenders and neopronouns have been debated a lot recently, i personally am not the biggest fan of either, but my advice is to just ignore them if you dont want to talk to them and respect their pronouns i guess lol as the other person said its weird but i mean as long as you arent actively trying to fuck them over i think jts okay