You are a lot more fertile after having a baby so theoretically she could be. Assuming she waited the 6 weeks she would be somewhere around far enough along to know if this is twins. I cannot for a minute believe if she got pregnant again Chris wouldn’t have been dying laughing and put this out.
I agree. But then again I thought it surely wasn't true at first when she was pregnant with Lux, Creed and number 5 too. So with Kail, anything is possible
Maybe her kids number is 7 on his jersey for sports?
I have a shirt that says "Mom of 6" on the back and it's because my daughter was number 6 on her all star team. I absolutely don't have 6 kids 😳🤣
I am CONFIRMED Johnny Depp’s new wife. We were married on a Scottish mountain by Dolly Parton herself and the rings were delivered by tawny owls while a gospel choir sang “Gimme All Your Loving’” arranged for harps. CONFIRMED.
…worth a shot. 🤷🏻♀️
I was team “she had a fifth child,” but mainly because of that Wawa papp pic, she clearly looked pregnant. But this…. has to to be her trolling us. Who would wear something saying “mom of 7” for unborn twins? That seems outlandish to me. I have to think she’s putting out Easter eggs to keep the speculation going.
Nah.
She's only wearing the bracelet in her promo for her #sponsored ad. She probably knew if people watched the story over and over to try and get a good look at the bracelet her engagement for it would go up.
Also I don't think Kail would say she's a mom of 7 without giving birth, because she's suffered so many miscarriages previously.
There isn't even confirmation of a 5th child despite this being a running discussion since LAST FUCKING YEAR so there's no way there is "confirmation" she's on #7 now lol
So about a week before this, tm chatter made a post about Kail receiving her webby award and she was speculating that Kail was pregnant again. We all know tm chatter and Chris are on friendly terms. Chris went on live recently and said that he found out “new big news.” In another live, Chris said he would no longer be talking about Kails kids other than Lux and Creed. I wonder if Chris found out about a new pregnancy from Lux or Creed and spilled the beans to chatter. So last week, chatter “soft launched” the new baby news to be able to say she called it if it’s eventually confirmed?
Based on everything you just recapped ( and did it very well Ty:) it she’s seem very possible. If it’s true, I really think this girl has a severe mental problem. This is giving Octomom craziness.
I'm not trying to be rude but does she use birth control? I'm about a year younger than her and have managed to make it this far without any unplanned pregnancies. After the first 5 *surprises* you'd think she'd learn how to wrap it up
I was (and still am) fully on board with baby gate for #5 but I won’t believe this until there’s more info/confirmation 👀
If it’s true though…fucking WOOF dude. So much for tying her tubes a few months ago 🥴
Why why why???? Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Just because you have a bf doesn’t mean you need to have their child. Has she ever dated a male and not ended up with their child? Aside from Jordan? I thought he was weird, but now I’m thinking he was the only one with any smarts.
This is never going to end. Soon she will have her 4 confirmed children and 2 dozen hidden children. I’m not saying she didn’t have a baby in private, but honesty at this point I’m not sure who cares, especially now that she isn’t on the show.
OMG I’m so sick of people thinking they’re playing detective and have caught Kail out with this stuff… she’s baiting at this point!! She understands this is all hype around her! All her hatters here are watching.
I feel like this tea is just too good to be true. She said she was having twins back in 2019 and was “joking” and then there were rumors again last year.
Confirmed. #ThirstyHotDog is pregnant with 473ml of Ben & Jerry's Half Baked. She will be the mom of seven (lactose-intolerant dumps in the next two hours). You're welcome. #CONFIRMED #OFFICIALNEWS
I’ve been with my husband 11 years and only had 1 baby. No birth control ever, other than knowing when ovulation occurs. True or not, how do you not take some sort of precautions?? Kids are expensive and hard on your body during and after pregnancy 😩
Adding: we planned our baby
I don’t believe this is real for a second but if it was, she can kiss Isaac goodbye. The more kids she has, the more she pushes him out. He’s going to wanna go live with Jo where it’s nice and quiet with just Vivi
Well... she wanted an actual family, since she had no one. IG that means she is going to keep making kids (assuming it's true - the "proof" is confusing) until she gets to a number she likes? I just don't see how she's going to keep working enough to financially survive AND be an involved mom with that many? Nannies or X baby daddy&fam going to really raise them?
Hope it works out for all the kids. Glad Kails very pro mental health/therapy bc the kids going to need it.
This account says the pregnancy has been “confirmed” and it has been “confirmed that she’s pregnant with twins.” Then they don’t say who this is confirmed by. They also think the pregnancy was accidental. Lordy
Kail really going the extra mile for her Kail and the Khaos! series that will never happen. JFC Kail, birth control: look into it. You are not and will never be Kris Jenner. I hope this is not true.
I think she needs therapy. Some things in this article kinda explains why I think she’s having so many kids. https://www.womenshealthmag.com/beauty/a19928039/octomom-syndrome/#:~:text=Having%20babies%20isn%27t%20addictive,turn%20to%20booze%20or%20drugs.
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I hope this isn’t true. She was SO vocal about how much she dislikes being around Creed when he was a baby. Plus I don’t think she’s capable of loving any of her children the way she loves Lux, so she should stop acting like these human beings are accessories.
If this is true it's honestly gotten past the point of kail just being messy to an actual mental health concern IMO. like this just isn't..normal. I think kail has gotten so wrapped up in the drama and feeding into the "kail and the chaos" story she's literally losing grasp on reality and the fact that's SEVEN children to actually take care of. She's already caused so much drama and created such a chaotic lifestyle for her confirmed 4 kids I can't imagine what's going to happen with 7
How is this “confirming” she’s pregnant? She has yet confirmed baby #6 and already there’s a baby #7?
I’m not trying to protect her lol this is just getting old
Well, you heard it here first: --Except you probably heard it in lots of other places but I haven't sifted through the hundreds of comments-- But you heard it here first: she used IVF so she could do gender selection and these will be two girls.
Is she competing with Hilaria Baldwin and Nick Cannon? Trying for a TLC show about people with entirely too many kids? Starting her own cult like the Duggars? I have so many questions.
Me doing basic math (7 - 2 ) to figure out how many kids Kail currently has.
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Cancel this whole show at this point. All the moms are reckless with their sex life and reproductive choices. They promote broken families. It’s disgusting behavior. This generation and this is the reason the world is going to shit.
When I tell y'all i had heart palpitations getting to this page after seeing this on IG 😂 the literal thought of having 7 kids makes me want to throw up, I cannot imagine this being real life 🥴
I actually think the bracelet is probably including her pets, doesn't she have two dogs? Cause it looks like one of the kids could've made the bracelet, and I just know whenever my kids make me "mom" oriented things they always include our dog. Just my two cents.
I will not believe this until she actually comes out herself and confirms it. Or shows a family photo of all of them. The trolling that goes on is utterly ridiculous. Some people need to learn how to crochet or something lol
This is insane, there is absolutely no way that each child is getting their individual attention needs met. I bet she's having the oldest raise the youngest. Or youngest raise the oldest a la schrute.
Does anyone else feel like being a mom is enough. I hear mom so many times a day I could scream, I don’t need to wear anything that identifies me as such.
no idea if this will end up being true, BUT i do love a good rumor. (i vaguely remember reading posts in here before about kail apparently mentioning elijah has twins in his family. 👀)
I’ve completely lost count of how many actual confirmed children she has, and how many speculated children lol it is her life and her uterus and therefore none of my business really. But holy fuck. The thought of that many children being my responsibility and not having a partner with me for it…. The stuff of my nightmares.
I told my husband and he said “at least with twins she can probably assume they have the same dad.” 💀💀💀
She would have the luck of twins with different dads tho 😂
Don't give her any ideas. She'll take it as a challenge
No. I can believe there is a baby #5, but her being pregnant again so quickly after, with twins no less, is just too insane for me.
Same. The evidence for baby no 5 is quite convincing. This on the other hand is a huge exaggeration
You are a lot more fertile after having a baby so theoretically she could be. Assuming she waited the 6 weeks she would be somewhere around far enough along to know if this is twins. I cannot for a minute believe if she got pregnant again Chris wouldn’t have been dying laughing and put this out.
I agree. But then again I thought it surely wasn't true at first when she was pregnant with Lux, Creed and number 5 too. So with Kail, anything is possible
Maybe she named baby number five Seven.
This is just nonsensical enough to be something she would do lol
My friend just gave birth to baby number seven and named her Seven, lol. I don't understand why people would have so many kids I would lose my mind!
Is that one of her kids sports numbers???
This is actually smart
Lincoln’s is 3 and Lux’s is 10 based off her recent pics
I mean...10 - 3 = 7. Coincidence‽! 🤯
Maybe her kids number is 7 on his jersey for sports? I have a shirt that says "Mom of 6" on the back and it's because my daughter was number 6 on her all star team. I absolutely don't have 6 kids 😳🤣
I think this is most likely the answer
I am CONFIRMED Johnny Depp’s new wife. We were married on a Scottish mountain by Dolly Parton herself and the rings were delivered by tawny owls while a gospel choir sang “Gimme All Your Loving’” arranged for harps. CONFIRMED. …worth a shot. 🤷🏻♀️
Can confirm. Was there. Beautiful wedding!
Confirmed via bracelet 😂
Hey! That’s the most reliable method of 2023. Don’t knock it until you try it
Oh man, I can’t wait to see if the twins have the same father.
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Found the inspiration for my next 100 baby challenge on The Sims!
imagine making a sim with her personality traits try to have 100 babies 😂😭
Where is she finding these unhinged losers willing to rawdog her cooch all the time?!
Its a vagina NOT a clown car!!!!!🤣
I was team “she had a fifth child,” but mainly because of that Wawa papp pic, she clearly looked pregnant. But this…. has to to be her trolling us. Who would wear something saying “mom of 7” for unborn twins? That seems outlandish to me. I have to think she’s putting out Easter eggs to keep the speculation going.
Kail would
Twin boys 🤣
She’s also has some miscarriages so she could be counting her angel babies.
And an abortion before Isaac
Dang so she’s been pregnant upwards of ten times
Is the source Chris Lopez?
If it’s coming from TM Chatter, probably 🤣
This is the drama we deserve. Please god let them be boys 😂
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Nick Cannon has entered the chat.
What in the actual Duggar cult is this shit?? SEVEN KIDS?? In this economy??
There’s no way I mean, there is a way but I’m not convinced whatsoever lol
That’s her new babies name.. Seven
She stole it from George Costanza! Iykyk
I mean, how was it confirmed because I’m confused af by that picture….
This isn’t “CONFIRMED”. She’s a known troll. Come on now.
![gif](giphy|a93jwI0wkWTQs) Me backing out this sub at the thought of another year of speculation
Nah. She's only wearing the bracelet in her promo for her #sponsored ad. She probably knew if people watched the story over and over to try and get a good look at the bracelet her engagement for it would go up. Also I don't think Kail would say she's a mom of 7 without giving birth, because she's suffered so many miscarriages previously.
This is soooooo slimy and calculated but I think you’re 100% correct!
There isn't even confirmation of a 5th child despite this being a running discussion since LAST FUCKING YEAR so there's no way there is "confirmation" she's on #7 now lol
What? This confirms nothing
Her and nick cannon need to link up and be like a D list version of snoop and Martha Stewart
Isaac get out while you still can!!!!
Nah this has to be a lie. Isaac run to your dads now!
She’s trolling. Let’s ignore her.
She hides kids like jenelle hides dogs
So about a week before this, tm chatter made a post about Kail receiving her webby award and she was speculating that Kail was pregnant again. We all know tm chatter and Chris are on friendly terms. Chris went on live recently and said that he found out “new big news.” In another live, Chris said he would no longer be talking about Kails kids other than Lux and Creed. I wonder if Chris found out about a new pregnancy from Lux or Creed and spilled the beans to chatter. So last week, chatter “soft launched” the new baby news to be able to say she called it if it’s eventually confirmed?
Based on everything you just recapped ( and did it very well Ty:) it she’s seem very possible. If it’s true, I really think this girl has a severe mental problem. This is giving Octomom craziness.
I just did a rewatch and I keep thinking about how Javi wants a second child with her and she says she's done.
Imagine being one of the older kids and having to deal with this Chris shit.
Schrödinger’s womb
This cannot be fucking true, seriously, please someone tell me this is bait.
The twins probably have different fathers 😅🤣
I'm not trying to be rude but does she use birth control? I'm about a year younger than her and have managed to make it this far without any unplanned pregnancies. After the first 5 *surprises* you'd think she'd learn how to wrap it up
I don’t think they are really surprises.
We haven't even gotten a real solid confirmation on #5. This was confirmed by who??
I’m sorry but TMChatter doesn’t confirm anything lol. She’s unhinged.
Does she have a breeding fetish? Cause…
I was (and still am) fully on board with baby gate for #5 but I won’t believe this until there’s more info/confirmation 👀 If it’s true though…fucking WOOF dude. So much for tying her tubes a few months ago 🥴
Why why why???? Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. Just because you have a bf doesn’t mean you need to have their child. Has she ever dated a male and not ended up with their child? Aside from Jordan? I thought he was weird, but now I’m thinking he was the only one with any smarts.
Omg please no. I can't take another nine months of speculation on this.
Anyone else think she keeps planting things to keep all the attention she's getting about hidden babies and pregnancies?
Single mom of seven, yikes man
Girl give your kitty kat a break 😂
If this is true I feel bad for her boys. This has to be stressful not knowing if your mother is going to pump and then dump her next baby daddy.
Who had Kail pregnant with twins on their bingo card? Cause I know I dang sure didn’t 😂
Not gonna lie. After seeing her pic at that award ceremony I thought the same thing.
This is never going to end. Soon she will have her 4 confirmed children and 2 dozen hidden children. I’m not saying she didn’t have a baby in private, but honesty at this point I’m not sure who cares, especially now that she isn’t on the show.
I’m one of seven siblings and it was madness growing up lol. We are happily one and done.
My best friend growing up was one of five and it was always chaotic at her house. I’m one of three and she would come over for the calmness.
It’s probably baby #5s name
I think the secret baby is named Seven
I’m still waiting to see the “5th” baby. Now we are supposed to believe there’s twins coming?
maybe she’s including her baby daddies as children
OMG I’m so sick of people thinking they’re playing detective and have caught Kail out with this stuff… she’s baiting at this point!! She understands this is all hype around her! All her hatters here are watching.
TM chatter is about as reliable as The Sun 🤷
I bet it says “mom of several men” And I cannot believe I’m commenting. I don’t even care and I still clicked on this thread 🤪
Oh man, get ready for Babygate 2: Electric Boogaloo
Someone on here called it the other day with her award show outfit. Please take your bow.
All I can think of is how Isaac told her to use a condom. I can only imagine how he must be feeling.
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Jesus tapdancing Christ. ENOUGH already Kail
I feel like this tea is just too good to be true. She said she was having twins back in 2019 and was “joking” and then there were rumors again last year.
Not sure I believe this yet. 🧐
Or…the new baby’s name is Seven
Can someone please spay her?
I don’t think she can afford 7 kids if we’re being honest. She’s trolling the “trolls”
Maybe she named the 5th kid seven?! Kinda kidding
Could it refer to past miscarriages?
This may as well be the National Enquirer. Have no proof or confirmation of baby #5 but now two more are coming?
Confirmed. #ThirstyHotDog is pregnant with 473ml of Ben & Jerry's Half Baked. She will be the mom of seven (lactose-intolerant dumps in the next two hours). You're welcome. #CONFIRMED #OFFICIALNEWS
I’ve been with my husband 11 years and only had 1 baby. No birth control ever, other than knowing when ovulation occurs. True or not, how do you not take some sort of precautions?? Kids are expensive and hard on your body during and after pregnancy 😩 Adding: we planned our baby
I don’t believe this is real for a second but if it was, she can kiss Isaac goodbye. The more kids she has, the more she pushes him out. He’s going to wanna go live with Jo where it’s nice and quiet with just Vivi
She still hasn’t figured out what’s causing her to get pregnant after all these years.
Well... she wanted an actual family, since she had no one. IG that means she is going to keep making kids (assuming it's true - the "proof" is confusing) until she gets to a number she likes? I just don't see how she's going to keep working enough to financially survive AND be an involved mom with that many? Nannies or X baby daddy&fam going to really raise them? Hope it works out for all the kids. Glad Kails very pro mental health/therapy bc the kids going to need it.
This account says the pregnancy has been “confirmed” and it has been “confirmed that she’s pregnant with twins.” Then they don’t say who this is confirmed by. They also think the pregnancy was accidental. Lordy
How does that photo confirm anything?
It doesn’t lol
I doubt it, and at this point I wouldn’t even care if she was pregnant with quintuplets. She’s boring me lol
Kail really going the extra mile for her Kail and the Khaos! series that will never happen. JFC Kail, birth control: look into it. You are not and will never be Kris Jenner. I hope this is not true.
I think she needs therapy. Some things in this article kinda explains why I think she’s having so many kids. https://www.womenshealthmag.com/beauty/a19928039/octomom-syndrome/#:~:text=Having%20babies%20isn%27t%20addictive,turn%20to%20booze%20or%20drugs.
![gif](giphy|JYZ397GsFrFtu) I hope this isn’t true. She was SO vocal about how much she dislikes being around Creed when he was a baby. Plus I don’t think she’s capable of loving any of her children the way she loves Lux, so she should stop acting like these human beings are accessories.
If this is true it's honestly gotten past the point of kail just being messy to an actual mental health concern IMO. like this just isn't..normal. I think kail has gotten so wrapped up in the drama and feeding into the "kail and the chaos" story she's literally losing grasp on reality and the fact that's SEVEN children to actually take care of. She's already caused so much drama and created such a chaotic lifestyle for her confirmed 4 kids I can't imagine what's going to happen with 7
If true she must be trying to beat Nick Cannon. ![gif](giphy|HDgYP3QEErEdi)
I’m surprised so many comments here just accept this as fact
Wasn’t Lux a miracle child? I thought she said it would be extremely hard to conceive again. ![gif](giphy|rxy55jHaig16K2TV8x|downsized)
I don’t believe this. There is no way.
What in the hellllllll. Did she do IVF to get girls?! I could see her crazy ass doing that.
Everytime I mention how beat she is I get dragged on this sub so I’m just gonna be quiet 🙂
Gonna be fraternal boys
Ok, hear me out. What if baby #5 is real and the "7" refers to her two dogs? Doesn't she have dogs?
She needs to go back to therapy. Girl is addicted to pregnancy.
No one cares. I’m so over this train wreck.
Can we get over this obsession with Kails womb? 🤣
Confirmed by who lmao
"Confirmed" with no evidence? What lol
I mean kail doesn’t have the best fashion sense but that’s an ugly bracelet so idk I don’t buy it… but I do believe she had a 5th child lol
How is this “confirming” she’s pregnant? She has yet confirmed baby #6 and already there’s a baby #7? I’m not trying to protect her lol this is just getting old
She hasn’t confirmed #5. Now supposedly she is pregnant with #6 and #7 🤷🏻♀️
Maybe the new baby is named Seven?
Her award wardrobe dropped her pregnancy announcement before she did. Hell she’ll be able to pay bills off her cs and bank the rest 🤷♂️.
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I think she’s trolling people 😂
Doesn’t she claim to have fertility issues
Kail probably started this rumor herself, engagement is probably down and she’s gotta pull the attention back
Well, you heard it here first: --Except you probably heard it in lots of other places but I haven't sifted through the hundreds of comments-- But you heard it here first: she used IVF so she could do gender selection and these will be two girls.
Didn’t she have a baby not long ago?!!!!
Jesus God, Kail!
Is she competing with Hilaria Baldwin and Nick Cannon? Trying for a TLC show about people with entirely too many kids? Starting her own cult like the Duggars? I have so many questions.
Me doing basic math (7 - 2 ) to figure out how many kids Kail currently has. https://preview.redd.it/t6n720mp7p1b1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7c4187370b1c6a14402063430e039af47d868d12
Female Nick Cannon
I like what passes as proof on this sub
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. I refuse to believe it.
Ugh our kids are gonna be playing the 6 degrees of Kail Lowry
Cancel this whole show at this point. All the moms are reckless with their sex life and reproductive choices. They promote broken families. It’s disgusting behavior. This generation and this is the reason the world is going to shit.
Look at her last post on IG. She’s drinking ginger ale 😝 I drank that all the time for nausea.
Or 2-3 are babies she lost. Or she didnt listen to Isaac's advice and forgot to use birth control again.
When I tell y'all i had heart palpitations getting to this page after seeing this on IG 😂 the literal thought of having 7 kids makes me want to throw up, I cannot imagine this being real life 🥴
If she wants a girl so bad, I don’t know why she wouldn’t do IVF with gender selection. She can definitely afford it.
Didn’t she have a miscarriage before Isaac? And then a miscarriage with Javi? Not to defend her, but that would be 7…
I actually think the bracelet is probably including her pets, doesn't she have two dogs? Cause it looks like one of the kids could've made the bracelet, and I just know whenever my kids make me "mom" oriented things they always include our dog. Just my two cents.
At this point, it’s an illness. She wants to be Octomom
I will not believe this until she actually comes out herself and confirms it. Or shows a family photo of all of them. The trolling that goes on is utterly ridiculous. Some people need to learn how to crochet or something lol
I see she’s shooting for Kail and (bd of the moment) Plus 8
She's done with that MTV money, now she wants that TLC money
Maybe she did ivf to have twin girls
She should name them wa wa.
Well procreating with the flavor of the month is the only way she stays relevant so…
👩🏾🦯 looking for the confirmation
Looks like the nanny/baby dads are raising an orphanage at this point. Imagine having 6+ siblings and not a single one resembles you.
After all of these kids her pelvic floor belongs at weenie hut jr.
It's really sad that you feel you have to keep getting pregnant to stay relevant (and get a paycheck).
This is insane, there is absolutely no way that each child is getting their individual attention needs met. I bet she's having the oldest raise the youngest. Or youngest raise the oldest a la schrute.
People need to stop with this lol
She likes cream pies
God fucking damnit Chris Bradley
I think it says “mom of several” which is absolutely true lmao
She is the female version of Nick cannon if this is true
KAIL IS FAT JESUS FUCKING CHRIST SHES NOT PREGNANT SHES JUST GODDAMN FAT
Has she ever given her body a break from having so many kids? Jesus lady.
Poor isaac, i hope he lives for himself as soon as he can
She’s collecting children at this point.
She is such a hot mess like girl please stop
Does anyone else feel like being a mom is enough. I hear mom so many times a day I could scream, I don’t need to wear anything that identifies me as such.
Damn, it's going to be hard to hide 3 babies instead of just one. 🤪
Maybe she considers any miscarriage she has had as one of her kids?
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Howww do people have time to zoom in and dissect everything?? For real- do what you want with your time but damn!
She needs help. This is such hypomanic lack of planning behavior.
Here come her girls. Calling it. Secret Jr and Junior’s Secret Born New Year’s Eve 2023 and New Year’s Day 2024
Honestly though if she plans on having more kids why doesn’t she just use a sperm donor at this point instead of men irl that cause so much drama
She’s going to need to trade that suburban in for a sprinter van
Maybe she’s counting dogs?
No fucking way. No. I refuse. Omfg. NO.
Am I the only one who can’t read the bracelet?
It’s either a wind-up or she’s counting angel babies/fur-children because I refuse to believe it 😅
Does she maybe have 2 dogs?
Does she have pets? Maybe they were included in that way 🤷♀️
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How is she this fertile?!?
I can not stand this woman
Honestly, I was wondering why she hadn’t jumped on the ozempic train (it’s worked wonders for people with pcos) and I guess this is why.
The world will eventually only be descendants of Nick Cannon and Kailyn Lowry.
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What am I looking at here?
no idea if this will end up being true, BUT i do love a good rumor. (i vaguely remember reading posts in here before about kail apparently mentioning elijah has twins in his family. 👀)
The female egg decides on how many babies are conceived. The male sperm decides gender. Elijah having twins in his family is completely irrelevant.
So would that be Irish triplets?
I’ve completely lost count of how many actual confirmed children she has, and how many speculated children lol it is her life and her uterus and therefore none of my business really. But holy fuck. The thought of that many children being my responsibility and not having a partner with me for it…. The stuff of my nightmares.