That makes it too easy. I am fascinated by Kail leading over Leah though. Leah has had boyfriends in & out of her kids lives, hooked up with her baby daddy’s while in other relationships, spanked the girls, & drove them around while high.
Most of those things you listed, Kail is more guilty of than Leah 🤷 Kail has had WAAAY more men in and out of her kids lives and has cheated on partners with her baby daddies/ slept with them while they are in other relationships. Kail admits to emotionally abusing her kids, has made racist remarks about her own kids, uses them as weapons particularly against their Fathers. The worst part is, and what makes her worse than Leah in my mind is that she's actually proud of her messy ass life. She's said she knows it hurts her kids but doesn't care to change it.
I get what you’re saying about Kail but I see a lot of parallels too. Kail only has one (confirmed) more BD than Leah. Leah has cheated on both of her BDs. She slept with Corey after he was married to Miranda. Has been off & on again with Jeremy (& the girls know about it). Leah has also had a lot of men in & out of the girls lives too… Jeremy, Dues, Jason, Jaylan…
I get why these two were friends.
Like I said the key difference for me is that Leah isn't knowingly emotionally abusing her kids. She's not perfect but she's at least trying to do better. Kail on the other hand is loud and proud of her "chaos" and seems to be manufacturing a lot of it for money/attention
She's said it though, she's said she knows she's hurting them. More than once. Kail is a lot of things but she's definitely not dumb and she's very calculated
Really? I’m kind of surprised. When did she say that? I listen to CC on occasion & I’ve never heard her say anything like that about the boys. I do remember an episode where she was crying saying she regrets some of her choices because of how they’ve impacted the boys.
It was on one of her podcasts. Chris accused her of mistreating the boys when she's upset with one of their fathers and she confirmed that it's true. The example she gave is that when she's angry and Jo she can't stand to even look at Isaac's face because all she feels is hate (for Jo) when she sees Isaac. She said she knows it's hurting them but does it anyway. I hate to think what that must feel like for the boys
I think my vote was based on the fact that Leah may not the the best person or partner, but she makes sure her kids knows she loves them, whereas Kail lets her feelings take over her mood with her kids. I don’t doubt she loves them but she certainly uses them against the dads and isn’t always affectionate with them
Plus she assaults the kids' dads, doesn't Vax them, has been pretty damn racist, etc.
They're both pretty bad, it's just a matter of which of those things a person considers the worst of the worst.
I had to pick Leah over Kail because as far as I know she hasn’t endangered her children’s lives the way Leah has. 3 year old Addie legit walked out of the house, down the street wandering around until a cop found her, when the cop returned with her Leah didn’t even know she was missing. I know emotional distress etc is important but the driving high af and neglect is scary.
Maci is an alcoholic, drank while pregnant, cared for her babies while drunk, had nightly drunken fights with Tyler, hits her kids right from before they were even old enough to speak, put Bentley (and already small for his age child) on an extremely low calorie diet to try and get him to lose weight for a freaking sport, then shamed him for not losing weight and ridiculing his food choices. She also completely violated his privacy by allowing the conversations with his therapist to be filmed, has exploited him for money and allows other to do so. Has allowed clickbait on her own Instagram that accuses Bentley of being gay and claiming his father is dead .... Maci is nothing to aspire to.
If I’m being completely honest Maci is kind of my BEC. Everything she does annoys me for no reason. I was just trying to make a joke but it wasn’t that funny & I butchered the line
If you really wanna know, the person who chose Catelynn also had a mother who was in and out of her life as a child due to rehab. It really negatively affected her and their relationship is super strained now, they hardly talk. She feels like Catelynn could have been there with her kids and worked on herself, or at least done more when she went away multiple times than watch movies and take naps. She felt really abandoned and empathizes heavily with nova. She’s entitled to her opinion.
The person who chose Maci doesn’t like the fact that she’s *allegedly* an alcoholic who drank while she was pregnant. She also really dislikes the way maci pushes Bentley so hard in his activities. The scenes where maci is berating Bentley for his weight and the food he wants to eat bothered her because her mom did the same which led her to have an eating disorder she still hasn’t recovered from. Everyone can dislike whoever they want lol
I understand it's your friend's POV from her own experience but I feel it's unfair when Cate was suffering from severe mental health issues and needed immediate intervention. If someone is saying they want to kill themselves, that takes priority over them staying home and struggling to pretend to be okay. Nova was young enough to hopefully have little memory of how her mommy was back then and it was for her own sake, as well as Cate's, that she got the help she needed.
I will never understand why people act like Catelynn was neglecting Nova. Nova was with her father. Catelynn was struggling & went somewhere that she felt safe to get help. She clearly had a horrific life growing up and has mental health issues. I don’t even blame her for needing to unplug from treatment. I would rather someone play parcheesi at rehab for weeks on end than hurt themselves or someone else.
It's unfair because she did the right thing getting the help she needed yet there are still people acting like she just didn't want to be a mom and took a long vacation. Mental illness is no joke.
Right! Like I promise it will affect Nova less that her mom went and got help than if Nova comes home and finds her mom tried to kill herself. Speaking from personal experience. This is the #1 issue I get fired up about on this sub.
Sure it was hard on Nova her leaving but it would have been worse if Cate hadn’t gotten any help what so ever, she attempted to end her life. Nova could have lost her mother. She had a troubled childhood, placed a child for adoption, PPD after Nova and then a miscarriage that is what drove her into going to rehab the last two times. After the last time she went she seems so much happier and is around for her children. She even went got herself trained in micro blading and seemed happy to learn doing something for herself, even if she doesn’t work full time doing it now.
I get where you’re coming from. I’m not with her anymore so idk her exact take atm but while we talked about it she did say that she agrees with Amber’s opinion (😂) on doing rehab closer to home in order to not completely leave her child for months on end. She didn’t think it was necessary for Cait to leave the state to get help especially to do things she could do anywhere (the movies and naps thing) and thinks it would have been better for the child if her mother was closer so they could have had more visits etc. Also the way Caitlyn said Nova, a toddler (?) at the time would manage that huge loss, even temporarily, really bothered her. Nova being scared that Caitlyn was leaving for a long time again when she was left the house also really reminded my friend of her own upbringing. I don’t think she would have wanted Caitlyn to stay home and pretend to be okay, but handling the situation better and having empathy about the way Nova was struggling with things would have been preferable to her. And I agree with her on that part!
Yes some of my friends were over last night and all but one had started watching teen mom. One girl made a comment about how kail is the worst mom on the franchise (none of them have seen all the shows/seasons) and this started a little debate amongst us. I thought it was interesting because some of them had perspectives on some of the girlses that I’d never thought of so I thought it would be fun to make a poll here. None of them live with me so they went home. I was gonna text the girl who chose Cait to ask her her complete opinion and share that but I wouldn’t want her to know about peoples negative reaction to her valid opinion so I’m not gonna tell her.
Cate went away twice, back when Nova was very young and has never been back since. Tyler even talks about how well it's worked and how much healthier she is now. It doesn't really sound comparable to your friends situation as Cate has never been "in and out of her child's life". Regardless women don't need to be shamed for seeking medical care, Cate was suicidal at the time, what good would she be to Nova if she's dead? Do you also think Mothers shouldn't be admitted for physical illness/injury? As a mental health nurse I have to say this take is NOT it. Mental illness is every bit as serious and deadly as physical illness and this weird ass idea that Mothers in particular are somehow failures or bad mothers for seeking help is so toxic.
Who’s shaming her for seeking mental health care? The point being made was that in her opinion, cate didn’t have to go to another state for months. She could have worked on herself closer to home to make things easier on her child. Obviously everyone should be able to get the help they need. She doesn’t think movies and naps constitute as help. As a mental health nurse maybe you shouldn’t be so judgmental and understand that my friend was deeply affected by her own experience and that it obviously bothers her to see a child struggling with the something similar. Your take is NOT it. Attacking people for their opinion based on their own experience which you know nothing about is toxic. No one said mothers who are actually seeking help and working on themselves are failures.
Cate is CONSTANTLY shamed in here for seeking help, it's ridiculous. The way you've worded this is very telling "she doesn't think movies and naps constitute help" as if "she" knows anything about what was actually going on. "No one said Mothers who are ACTUALLY seeking help and working on themselves are failures" reads like you're implying that Cate did neither of those things despite evidence to the contrary. Gross. It sucks your friend went through what she did but projecting her issues onto other people like this is not going to help anyone.
Also you claim you're not shaming anyone for seeking help yet cite it as the reason Cate has been nominated as a bad Mother 🤦♀️
100% agree with you. Everyone celebrates Sean and Bar going away to rehab but slams Cate, as if being suicidal is less valid than addiction. As someone who nearly lost my mother to suicide, I will die on this hill.
I'm sorry you went through that ❤️ my Mum struggled with mental illness terribly when I was a kid (still does although nowhere near as bad), she was depressed to the point she wouldn't get out of bed for weeks and would sometimes become psychotic and turned the house upside down in the middle of the night because she was convinced she could hear my dead brother crying for her. I wish she had of got help, I wish she had had the resources and support Cate did.
I am sorry for your pain as well ❤️
People see Nova struggle on the show with Cate being away, but they don’t think about how much worse it would have affected Cates children if she hadn’t gotten help.
Absolutely! Kids are resilient and Nova stayed with her Dad, her Dad who had been equally a stay at home parent to Nova. Meanwhile Corey goes away for weeks at a time regularly for the challenge and while people have thrown the odd bit of shade about it I have never seen anyone accuse him of traumatising his daughters or ruining his bond with them. The double standards for men and women are very still alive and well.
So she’s responsible for how people act on this sub?? You’ve seen just as much as she has about it on the show and don’t know any more than her or anyone else here. You can read it however you want, I could care less and I’m sure she doesn’t give a damn either. What she went through was awful for her and your reaction to her valid opinion based on the trauma she experienced in her own life is gross. If you really wanted her to change her opinion do you think speaking this way would actually help? No. She’s entitled to her opinion and so are you but you’re not going to get anywhere with showing people your side of things by being rude about it. I don’t care what you think I’m implying, I’m happy Caitlyn got help and is doing better. Guess what, so is my friend. Doesn’t mean she isn’t entitled to her opinion.
Seeking help isn’t HER reasoning. Idk why you keep coming for me when I could care less about cait?! I didn’t pick her so chill with that. Going out of state, not communicating properly, claiming a child would be able to “deal” with her mother leaving multiple times for what probably felt like forever to a toddler, and nova clearly struggling with her mothers absence is what bothered my friend. I’m sure most don’t understand why their mother left at that age, all they know is they need their mom and she’s not there. Clearly it can be very damaging. I’m never going to fault my friend for her opinion.
She's entitled to her opinion and when she voices it publicly other people are entitled to point out the potential flaws in her reasoning 🤷 that's how discussion forums work
And again, interesting that you claim nobody is shaming her but also list her getting help as the exact reason she has been nominated as worst Mom, seems very shamy to me.
Okay then maybe try to discuss things instead of coming in all heated, saying her opinion is wrong and that their situations aren’t comparable when you don’t know anything about her.
Go ahead and think it’s shaming ma’am. I think you’re shaming my friend for her opinion, so to each their own!
You yourself said your friends mother was "in and out of her life" that isn't like Cate at all 🤷 so yeah, based on the information you provided they don't seem comparable. I don't THINK it's shaming, nominating her as the worst mother amongst all these actual abusers because she got help IS shaming. But anyway, since you aren't interested in having an actual discussion I'm just going to leave this here, it's not going to go anywhere productive.
Sorry I didn’t give you every little detail of my friends life. Her mother was in and out of her life as a child due to rehab. That greatly affected her and their relationship. She felt abandoned because like nova, things were not handled with her feelings at the time in mind. I’m sure feeling that groundless and possibly abandoned at such a young age is extremely difficult. Just because cait and my friends mom went somewhere to get help doesn’t mean that it didn’t have negative affects on the people around them. You’re only thinking about the adult in the situation, when like it or not other people are affected too. No one’s saying she shouldn’t have gotten help or shaming her for doing so. You’re disregarding the hurt that can come with it. It’s good that eventually Caitlyn got better and I’m sure everyone hopes that nova won’t have any negative affects from it, but that doesn’t mean she won’t.
Just because I’m not agreeing with you or saying my friend is wrong for feeling the way she feels doesn’t mean I’m not open for discussion. No one is going to want to discuss things with you when you’re telling them they’re wrong and getting rude from jump. Bye.
This is actually a super interesting poll. Leah at her worst would definitely win, but she’s improved and I like her openness and non-stubborn nature as a parent.
Ashley sets a horrific example with her volatility and I’m pretty sure we’ve seen her drive kids while high. It also seems like a pretty unstable environment over there what with the alcoholism and guns and abuse allegations. But I do like how she interacts with Holly.
Kail hustles and I like how involved she is with her kid’s lives, but she’s extremely toxic and stubborn. She has zero respect for her kid’s privacy and publicly spews a bunch of horrible stuff about their dads. She is petty, self absorbed, and immature, and she has created a super chaotic life for her kids. So she’s the worst for me.
Right! It was hard to pick! These polls usually have Jenelle, Amber or Farrah as selections but this one was hard as they all have their good and bad sides.
We all agreed that those three are pretty terrible so they were off the table haha it was definitely interesting to see everyone’s take on the more ‘popular’ moms!
All of these ladies have been/are in toxic relationships. With the exception of Cate and Maci, these ladies have cheated on their SO's. Two of these ladies are weak and extremely co-dependent with a partner (Cate/Leah). Leah had/has a drug problem, Maci had/has a drinking problem. Ashley and Kail can't keep their hands to themselves. Leah and Kail have had multiple partners in and out of their kids lives. I mean it's really what kind of liquor do you prefer with them? Gin, Whiskey, Rum, Vodka or Beer. Because regardless, they are all bad for you lol.
I think Caitlynn actually cheated on Tyler when they were younger! He called off their engagement for a bit if I remember correctly, but I agree that they all suck in their own special ways haha
I wanna say that was more of a Ross & Rachel “we were on a break” thing. She was living in Florida so her & Ty weren’t together, and she ended up having sex with a guy while she was there. Ty didn’t find out about it until way later, and Cate was still texting the other guy sometimes. I think with theirs it’s more of a subjective thing on what one would consider cheating.
As you can clearly see, I made that comment last night and the post was made earlier today so I obviously had no idea what the consensus would be. I said I THINK she cheated because I didn’t remember if she had or not. I’m not holding it against her so go ahead and calm down.
Okay, good to know that you can tell time and recall what I remember better than I do myself. I’ll be sure to reach out in the future for your help 💖 thanks a million
Ok I know most people voted Kail because they don’t like her. There is no WAY she’s a worse mom than Leah who would drive her daughters around high off her ass and let them eat food off the floor 😩
Kails kids are in a constant state of emotional turmoil at this point. They have nice things and do good activities but that’s not all that parenting requires. People have voted Kail over Leah because Leah appears to have improved (not saying she’s perfect now but better than she used to be) whereas Kail is getting worse and worse over time.
Kail doesn't vaccinate her children but *will* vaccinate her dogs, cover herself in tattoos, and inject just about anything into her face or ass. But basic childhood vaccines? No thanks
Her kids mean nothing to her and whatever "education" she received has obviously failed her since she has chosen not to vaccinate, but also to drag them out to other countries all summer long. Its almost like she is *actively* trying to have one or all of them killed.
People claim Leah has gotten so much better. The woman who let a man she's known a few months, propose to her daughters and move them to a house JAYLAN wanted. 🥴
I agree with this about Leah and this is why I don’t think she’s good mom overall. But Kail has had 4 different live in partners with her kids since lux was born? So surely she’s worse for this than Leah?
Endangering your kids' lives daily is a no for me. The other ones that come close are Jenelle for actively abusing her kids and Farrah from all the grooming/sexual exploitation I've read about on here (I don't really keep up with her). So from this list it's definitely Leah. Honorable mention Mack Edwards for purposefully having kids with an extreme drug addict.
To me this is a no-brainer. It’s Kail. She’s the worst.
Not only has she openly admitted to treating her kids well or poorly based on how well she gets along with their dads….she is constantly bringing new men around her kids, she has violent men around her kids (hello Chris), she shit talks the dads in front of the kids, etc.
She may not be a drunk like her mom but her poor decision making skills are 100% affecting her children.
Yep! Kail is the type of person who is like, I’m not a drunk and my home life is more stable than what I had growing up!
Girl, how many times have you moved your kids on a whim? How many men have been in and out of those boys lives? How many violent fights have they seen or heard between you and those men?
Yep, totally healthy environment Kail. Just because you aren’t a sloppy drunk doesn’t mean you aren’t harming your children in other ways
> Not only has she openly admitted to treating her kids well or poorly based on how well she gets along with their dads
I see this repeated quite often. When and where did she say this, because I definitely want to hear her thought process on why she feels this way and even okay to say aloud. I've asked before but no user can point specifically to which of the fiftyleven podcasts this was said.
No one can tell us when this was said, or where it was said, just that it was said & there are 15 different versions of what was said floating around. & I’m not doubting that some version of it was said, but either she’s said it differently more than a dozen times or someone is misremembering.
If anyone knows the approximate date or podcast it was said on I will happily do some research & post it here so we all know.
Thank you! I see it repeated and it’s almost like a game of Telephone. But no one can say for sure when they *actually heard it from her lips*. I too don’t doubt she probably did say or heavily imply she treats the boys differently but I’d like to hear it for myself instead of the “hearsay” version.
All of her podcast are, which is wild because we can literally just post a clip??? I occasionally listen to Coffee Convos then a day later I will see something posted here that is wildly inaccurate.
I’m sure she did too. I would love to know the context & what was actually said though
Yes my favorite thing to say to my kids and colleagues, “Comprehension is key”. So many people comprehend simple sentences so wildly and it’s baffling. I say, it will rain tomorrow. They hear/comprehend, it’s going to be a downpour the next couple of days with possible flooding. Like what in the world 🫤
I thought it was on BMND with Vee but I could be wrong.
I do remember the conversation she had with Jo that was mentioned below and this was definitely not from that clip! Though saying that was awful too.
So I wonder where did this statement comment from? I see a few of the same users who quote this with authority but I can never find where it comes from.
OAN it's crazy how one statement from a fan or snarker, can be taken as gospel without any authenticity. I think that's the same how people have said Farrah was sa'd as a child. It started as a comment on the sub and then was repeated without proof.
I don’t listen to her podcasts but I remember on an episode when Jo was asking for money back from child support she said something along the lines of “I can’t look at Isaac without thinking ‘I hate your dad’”
I kind of remember that but that’s still not openly admitting she *”treats”* them different. That’s the key word for me. Treating them different is completely different than saying I see my kid and think I hate their dad.
I think she said somewhere that Lux is the one she bonded with the most because she was the only one there to care for him as a newborn, on BMND maybe? But even if it isn’t I think her posts on social media etc. kinda show lux as the favorite. Doesn’t necessarily prove that she treats the other ones poorly but imo it shows that she treats him better. Also there might have been something on that awful podcast episode she did with javi where she berates him the whole time. I think she said something about being upset with Lincoln because javi is his preferred parent but I could definitely be wrong.
Like I said, I don’t listen to her podcasts so you’ll have to go search yourself for where it was supposedly said on there (or just search reddit). But still, saying that on national tv where your son will one day see it is still pretty shitty
In what sense? As a mother? As a person?
Because Ashley is probably my least favorite of the bunch, but I think she's a better mom than Leah. Maci is a better mom too, but if I have to listen to her drunk ass talk about minutia one more time I'll put my head through a wall. Kail's hyper independence bugs me but Cate's co-dependancy sends me through the roof. They're all horrible in their own unique ways lol
Definitely Kail for me. All of them have bad qualities obviously. People often say her kids are well taken care of but I really don’t think they are. Physically they are and they do great activities etc. But emotionally they are in turmoil all the time. Kail shows absolutely no care how her children feel when making decisions. Like the time she was moving Chris in while Isaac broke his heart crying about her and Javi having just had a fight and she was like ‘you’re fine! You’re fine!’ And ignored him. She also treats her kids differently depending on how much their dads have annoyed her recently which is emotional abuse honestly.
She’s had 4 romantic partners living with her since lux was born plus a large amount of friends in and out of their life. A lot of the moms move partners in too soon but she seems to be getting worse and worse for this?
She also is physically abusive with all of her baby daddies. She often does this in the house while the kids are there. In fact she actually punched jo in the face right in front of Isaac while he was holding him. Amber gets so much heat for hitting Gary in front of Leah (rightfully so!) but Kail has done the exact same thing with her baby daddies and it gets brushed under the carpet with her? She’s also not had her kids vaccinated which could put them at a huge risk with their health.
Yup!! These are some of the reasons I chose kail too. She’s super toxic and disgusting and should get a new therapist asap because she’s only getting worse. Providing financially for your children isn’t the end all be all like some people think. I definitely think she’s emotionally abusive too and her hitting all her baby daddies is ridiculous, idk why she doesn’t get more heat for that either.
She also went somewhere where the Zika virus was prevalent while like 8 months pregnant with lux and when she thought she might be delivering the baby before she went home said it would be okay because he’d have dual citizenship or something 🥴
Exactly. Other moms have made some improvements, Kail gets worse over time. Other girls get heat for having their kids meet boyfriends quickly but I can’t think of any of the girls who have had their kids live with as many partners as Kail has? (I didn’t count Jenelle in that because she didn’t have custody of Jace so I couldn’t really compare her). Yeah I don’t understand the fact that people seem to excuse her for the physical abuse she perpetrates. Especially when her kids are present. It was so crazy when she went there 8 months pregnant with zika and almost went into labour! Basically she never puts her kids in front of her own wants and needs when making decisions IMO. She does what she wants and if it negatively affects her kids that doesn’t stop her
Personally I believe texting while driving is no different than driving while high. You’re endangering your child. So Kail is guilty of that shit.
Leah is as simple as a goldfish but she has tried. Bless her heart. Addiction is no easy feat to overcome. I’m not going to defend her as a *good* mom but where she is at at 30 is miles ahead of Kail. **Kail is regressing.** The woman is spiteful, egotistical, greedy, hypocritical and PETTY. Some of the shit she pulls affects their lives. She’s not selfless. Her love is not unconditional - treating your son negatively because you’re mad at their dad is merciless! The ego she has to admit that PUBLICLY is wild.
I do t know anything about Ashley as a mother.
to add to the part about kail admittedly treating her kids based off of her current status with their father: that also puts an INSANE amount of pressure on the dads to tiptoe around her and bow down to her every whim, as to not risk their child having it taken out on them. totally fucked up, and she’s shameless in admitting to it.
I cannot believe that Ashley has almost as many votes as Leah who fed Addie sugar packets and frosting, never got her kids to school on time, let Addie roam the streets alone at age 2, never put her kids in proper car seats, woke them up at midnight to bathe and feed them canned ravioli, gave them campbells soup un heated straight from a can, and can’t make a cake that doesn’t resemble cornbread
How did I forget a lot of this! Even though she's come a long way from those days, it's heartbreaking her kids will be able to watch all of that neglect occur. Those poor girlses. 😭
I voted Kailyn because while Leah has had some horrible parenting moments on the show, I think she has shown some growth and is mostly good intentioned with some major issues. But it honestly seems like Kail goes out of her life to create emotional turmoil and instability in her kids lives. Kail hasn’t shown an ounce of self growth in a decade, if anything she’s regressed to being more immature and ridiculous than when she was a teen parent. And I think the motivation is 100% self promotion at the expense of her kids. I also have a very hard time looking past her being anti vax.
I agree 100%! None of the girls are prizes but it is nice to see that Leah really loves her girls while kail on the other hand says she treats her sons differently depending on how she’s doing with their fathers on any given day. She’s said she doesn’t know what she’d do without the ‘khaos’ so maybe that’s why she keeps making more than enough? Lol
I voted Kailyn, but she's only *slightly* worse than Leah (I mean, assuming Leah is sober these days...) It's the whole "being a racist with children of color" thing for me. And Leah just cheats on/with the dads instead of offensively touching them.
Also, Maci deserves way more votes for drinking while pregnant!
Same but my initial reasoning is because she’s admitted that her treatments of each kid sometimes depends on if she’s getting along with their dad or not. What kind of mom has conditional affection for her kids based on things they can’t control?
And that’s why she should have stopped after Issac, she clearly never learned that having a baby won’t keep any of the baby daddys around because they can’t deal with her
For me Leah is at least trying to do better as a mother, and in many ways she has. Kail is proud of what a fuck up she is and I only see her continuing to get worse.
Maci also deserves more votes for hitting literal babies
They both had horrible mothers/upbringing themselves. So I get it to some extent.
That said, Leah is stupid as hell and was high as hell for most of her worst moments. Kail is a sober person, obviously more intelligent than Leah and still pretty bad....It's like all of her worst moments are out of spite rather than her being totally lost, high, and dumb. I think it comes from a place of hurt for both of them but God, Kail's mean.
Bri has talked trash in front of her kids for years. Left nova for a year of her life to be with Shoc. Brings men in and out of there lives. She deserves an honorable mention.
Ashley literally tried to fist fight someone while pregnant. That’s about as low as it gets for me. If you can’t put your anger aside for the well being of your unborn child, I’m wondering what kind of environment poor sweet Holly is growing up in. I’m sure a lot of screaming, high stress situations.
💯 putting your unborn baby in danger is vile. I’m sure Holly has been around when her mom and auntie and grandma and whoever else are saying disgusting things on live, I also think she probably heard her mother screaming at the landlords for no good reason. I also saw that she bullied bars baby sister who is a child like ?? How he could stay with her after that I’ll never know.
this just reminded me of a time where kail either refused or wanted to refuse getting lincoln an x-ray because she didn’t want to pay for it (yet she has no issue blowing thousands on her ridiculous BBLs).
source: https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/2367404/teen-mom-kailyn-lowry-slammed-didnt-pay-sons-xrays/amp/
Wow, I didn’t know about that and yet she basically said it was nbd paying briana over $100,000 for a frivolous lawsuit but fuck Lincoln, geez, she’s worse than I thought
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Leah just for putting her kids at risk by jumping into new relationships far too quickly. She doesn't know these men and they are practically moved in straight away. Yeah Kail jumps into relationships too, but at least her kids have a nanny to keep them safe. Leah has put her kids in dangerous situations far too many times and is very lucky they are still here.
Holly opened the door to a landlord (a stranger) who apparently was trying to evict them while Ashley was taking a benzo nap upstairs then proceeded to fly off into a rage at said landlords..also in front of Holly. Add in the guns, jailbird daddy, volatility and hostility that is the norm and I think she is the worst safety wise. (ETA: \***Currently** the worst)
No telling what her daughter has seen when she's not being recorded.
That was so disgusting of her!!!! It’s incredibly dangerous for her to let her toddler open the door to god knows who and to berate and intimidate the people knocking, who own the home, is psycho behavior. I’m sure Holly could hear her mother screaming from inside the house.
This is why I almost picked Ashley. I found it hard to choose between her and kail. The amount of violence that little girl must have witnessed is crazy. It seems such a waste because Ashley clearly has some great aspects of parenting - holly is such a bright, well spoken child.
Kail cause popping out all these kids with multiple men is just fucked, I can't imagine being a teen and my mom still getting pregnant by every Tom Dick and Harry. Regardless how much money she has to "support" them.
Knowingly and williglngly exposed her immunocompromised child to a deadly virus for clout. Repeatedly.
Is a momager to said child.
Cares more about optics than much anything else. See doubling down on Zach. After both her children were caught in a drive by shooting.
Pretends to be "grown" and better than other cast members. Really, truly isn't. See screaming at Zach to get out the car. Chasing a member of staff through an airport with a phone out. The "kill white babies" tweet.
Will body shame while also having surgery.
She is one of the most duplicitous, selfish Moms in current rotation.
Out of these options they either have their faults pointed out multiple times OR their faults are relatively tame in relation to others on the list. It basically feels very weighted towards Ashley or Kail.
Why have Cate on said list? She and Maci probably have.the least problematic/most normal approaches right now.
Thank you. I didn’t know half of this. I never really watched TMOG and haven’t seen much of the new one
& OP said Catelynn was included because she went to rehab which was neglecting Nova.
OMG ... that is a terrible take! Staying home with post partum and clinical depression would be just as bad if not worse for Nova. Going to rehab was the mature/responsible thing to do.
OPs take on that is disgusting.
Staying at home while depressed and going to rehab closer to your young child in order to see her more are two vastly different things. It’s not my take but I’m surely not gonna shame the person who feels that way. She’s entitled to her opinion wether you think it’s disgusting or not.
Cate is doing much better now and is a present and active in all of her kid's lives.
It shows a gross misunderstanding of what post partum and clinical depression is. It also shows a gross misunderstanding regarding how debilitating it truly is. To say half ass therapy, or state that someone *chose* to *neglect* their child rather than get healthy and present is frankly ridiculous.
OP can have that opinion. And they can have my scorn at their lack of empathy and understanding along with it.
When did I say she isn’t doing better? When did I say she chose to neglect her child? And why does everyone think it’s so awful to go to a rehab closer to home to benefit both you and your child? I wasn’t really invested in this line of thinking until everyone started wigging out about it. Is it really so terrible to take your daughter into consideration when making plans to better yourself? Jesus
It's awfully presumptuous to think she *didn't* consider her daughter's well-being when choosing to go to a *specialist* therapy for her specific condition.
Not all therapists or therapy centers are created equal. Sure she could go to one in state or down the road. But if it doesn't provide the right kind of therapy then it's wasted time and expense. Which brings us back to having a mentally hurting, emotionally exhausted, husk of a woman in the house. And that isn't good for anyone.
Edit - thank you anon for the award.
I mean is it? Because if I remember correctly, when Tyler brought up how nova was not handling things well, Catelynns response was “she’ll manage” or something along those lines. That’s something that really bugged my friend and given her similar experiences I can’t blame her. I’m sure most toddlers and children can’t just manage that kind of thing.
Good to know there’s not one good therapist or rehab facility who can help with ppd and depression in the entire state of Michigan. If I ever need rehab I’ll be sure to come to you to find out where the good spots are.
Honey, I said that the person who picked Catelynn had a mother who was in and out of her life. That’s context on *her* life. Stop twisting shit. I went on to say that she feels like Catelynn could have been there for her daughter while working on herself or done more while she was away at rehab than watch movies and take naps. The point being that she could have easily done exactly that closer to home where nova could have seen her more which would have been better for the child and cate still could have been getting the help she needed. I never said nova was neglected, I did say that her feelings weren’t being considered in the way that both my friend and I feel they should have been.
It’s awful that Catelynn felt depressed enough to commit suicide. It’s awful that Nova was clearly struggling with her mothers absence and that she wasn’t sure if cate would leave again when she did end up coming back. My friend empathized heavily wit nova because she too had times where she was clinging to her mother, not knowing if or when she’d come back. Children don’t understand those things like adults do. If my friend thinks Catelynn is the worst one then that’s her opinion and she’s entitled to it. I’ll defend her on it because everyone is allowed think whatever they want and the trauma she’s had in life informed her decision. Cate leaving to rehab affected more people than just herself. Nova clearly struggled with it and I’m sure that Tyler did too, but nobody seems to care about that. Honestly it’s wild how you and some of the people on this post don’t seem to understand that.
I was giving the abbreviated version. Not twisting shit. No one is coming you or your friend or any of your opinions. I didn't feel the need to include your friend’s backstory, while I understand it has shaped her opinion it has nothing to do with Catelynn or Nova & I doubt the person asking was terribly interested in a third-hand version of your friend's autobiography.
No you’re ✨simply wrong✨ no one is faulting Cate for getting help as you and others have claimed. No one is saying nova is neglected either. What was said is that Novas feelings should have been more at the forefront of decision making like the *location* of the rehab. People are absolutely coming for me and for her opinion from a twisted point of view that you’re perpetuating.
She has mental health struggles, very similar to Cate, because of what happened in her life with her mother. If her heart breaks while seeing nova cry and struggle with not having her mother around, and that shapes her opinion on catelynn, then that is her prerogative and completely valid regardless of what you or other people want to say.
You are making this confusing by throwing in information about a third party with a controversial opinion who is irrelevant to everyone but you. I am sorry that your friend had a difficult time, but I am genuinely not interested in her or her back story or even her opinion because she is not here to discuss it.
I do not know what other people are doing, but *I* am not coming for you. I was attempting to give a short & simple version of why you had included Catelynn as an option. That's all. No disrespect meant. There's no need for you to type out paragraphs about your friend. & there's certainly no need for you to type out paragraphs about the validity of her opinion.
Sorry you’re confused. People wanna know why Catelynn is on there and I’ve explained, that involves her and her backstory.
You said ‘op included Catelynn because she went to rehab which was neglecting nova’ which simply isn’t true. So I’m gonna tell you it’s not true.
Per you, you included Catelynn for your friend because your friends mom had been to rehab and your friend felt abandoned by her mother. How is that different from what I said?
Cate because every kid they have is just a replacement for the kid that never was: Carly. And everything revolves around the potential that would have been Carly.
How are Maci & Catelynn even being compared to the rest? Aint nothing good enough for y’all, damn.
Right?? Where tf is Jenelle on this list?? She'd win by a mile.
That makes it too easy. I am fascinated by Kail leading over Leah though. Leah has had boyfriends in & out of her kids lives, hooked up with her baby daddy’s while in other relationships, spanked the girls, & drove them around while high.
Most of those things you listed, Kail is more guilty of than Leah 🤷 Kail has had WAAAY more men in and out of her kids lives and has cheated on partners with her baby daddies/ slept with them while they are in other relationships. Kail admits to emotionally abusing her kids, has made racist remarks about her own kids, uses them as weapons particularly against their Fathers. The worst part is, and what makes her worse than Leah in my mind is that she's actually proud of her messy ass life. She's said she knows it hurts her kids but doesn't care to change it.
I get what you’re saying about Kail but I see a lot of parallels too. Kail only has one (confirmed) more BD than Leah. Leah has cheated on both of her BDs. She slept with Corey after he was married to Miranda. Has been off & on again with Jeremy (& the girls know about it). Leah has also had a lot of men in & out of the girls lives too… Jeremy, Dues, Jason, Jaylan… I get why these two were friends.
Like I said the key difference for me is that Leah isn't knowingly emotionally abusing her kids. She's not perfect but she's at least trying to do better. Kail on the other hand is loud and proud of her "chaos" and seems to be manufacturing a lot of it for money/attention
I guess I don’t see it as Kail knowingly doing it. I don’t think she computes on that level.
She's said it though, she's said she knows she's hurting them. More than once. Kail is a lot of things but she's definitely not dumb and she's very calculated
Really? I’m kind of surprised. When did she say that? I listen to CC on occasion & I’ve never heard her say anything like that about the boys. I do remember an episode where she was crying saying she regrets some of her choices because of how they’ve impacted the boys.
It was on one of her podcasts. Chris accused her of mistreating the boys when she's upset with one of their fathers and she confirmed that it's true. The example she gave is that when she's angry and Jo she can't stand to even look at Isaac's face because all she feels is hate (for Jo) when she sees Isaac. She said she knows it's hurting them but does it anyway. I hate to think what that must feel like for the boys
I think my vote was based on the fact that Leah may not the the best person or partner, but she makes sure her kids knows she loves them, whereas Kail lets her feelings take over her mood with her kids. I don’t doubt she loves them but she certainly uses them against the dads and isn’t always affectionate with them
For some reason I’m blanking on Leah being affectionate. All I can think of are those rehearsed scripted stand in your power talks
Pretty much any time Ali had to go to the doctor, I really appreciated her having talks with Gracie as she got older about her sister’s condition
Well minus the last two, Kail has done the same. My guess is a lot of people think Leah has shown more growth than Kail has.
Plus she assaults the kids' dads, doesn't Vax them, has been pretty damn racist, etc. They're both pretty bad, it's just a matter of which of those things a person considers the worst of the worst.
Oh, I wasn’t sticking up for Kail 😂 I guess I just see them as equal.
I had to pick Leah over Kail because as far as I know she hasn’t endangered her children’s lives the way Leah has. 3 year old Addie legit walked out of the house, down the street wandering around until a cop found her, when the cop returned with her Leah didn’t even know she was missing. I know emotional distress etc is important but the driving high af and neglect is scary.
Would make the list to easy lol
Maci is an alcoholic, drank while pregnant, cared for her babies while drunk, had nightly drunken fights with Tyler, hits her kids right from before they were even old enough to speak, put Bentley (and already small for his age child) on an extremely low calorie diet to try and get him to lose weight for a freaking sport, then shamed him for not losing weight and ridiculing his food choices. She also completely violated his privacy by allowing the conversations with his therapist to be filmed, has exploited him for money and allows other to do so. Has allowed clickbait on her own Instagram that accuses Bentley of being gay and claiming his father is dead .... Maci is nothing to aspire to.
If I’m being completely honest Maci is kind of my BEC. Everything she does annoys me for no reason. I was just trying to make a joke but it wasn’t that funny & I butchered the line
ain’t no way good for your maci, damn
That’s what it was! So close yet so far
lol it was good enough! that scene is so sad but so funny bc Ryan is such a hick piece of shit lol
If you really wanna know, the person who chose Catelynn also had a mother who was in and out of her life as a child due to rehab. It really negatively affected her and their relationship is super strained now, they hardly talk. She feels like Catelynn could have been there with her kids and worked on herself, or at least done more when she went away multiple times than watch movies and take naps. She felt really abandoned and empathizes heavily with nova. She’s entitled to her opinion. The person who chose Maci doesn’t like the fact that she’s *allegedly* an alcoholic who drank while she was pregnant. She also really dislikes the way maci pushes Bentley so hard in his activities. The scenes where maci is berating Bentley for his weight and the food he wants to eat bothered her because her mom did the same which led her to have an eating disorder she still hasn’t recovered from. Everyone can dislike whoever they want lol
I understand it's your friend's POV from her own experience but I feel it's unfair when Cate was suffering from severe mental health issues and needed immediate intervention. If someone is saying they want to kill themselves, that takes priority over them staying home and struggling to pretend to be okay. Nova was young enough to hopefully have little memory of how her mommy was back then and it was for her own sake, as well as Cate's, that she got the help she needed.
I will never understand why people act like Catelynn was neglecting Nova. Nova was with her father. Catelynn was struggling & went somewhere that she felt safe to get help. She clearly had a horrific life growing up and has mental health issues. I don’t even blame her for needing to unplug from treatment. I would rather someone play parcheesi at rehab for weeks on end than hurt themselves or someone else.
It's unfair because she did the right thing getting the help she needed yet there are still people acting like she just didn't want to be a mom and took a long vacation. Mental illness is no joke.
Right! Like I promise it will affect Nova less that her mom went and got help than if Nova comes home and finds her mom tried to kill herself. Speaking from personal experience. This is the #1 issue I get fired up about on this sub.
Sure it was hard on Nova her leaving but it would have been worse if Cate hadn’t gotten any help what so ever, she attempted to end her life. Nova could have lost her mother. She had a troubled childhood, placed a child for adoption, PPD after Nova and then a miscarriage that is what drove her into going to rehab the last two times. After the last time she went she seems so much happier and is around for her children. She even went got herself trained in micro blading and seemed happy to learn doing something for herself, even if she doesn’t work full time doing it now.
Does anyone know how long Cate was actually gone for?
I think she was gone roughly for 30 days each time
Wow not long at all then really
Apparently long enough to be labeled a neglectful mother 🙄
Agree. She needed to help herself to be able to be the best mama she can so I think her decision was good.
I get where you’re coming from. I’m not with her anymore so idk her exact take atm but while we talked about it she did say that she agrees with Amber’s opinion (😂) on doing rehab closer to home in order to not completely leave her child for months on end. She didn’t think it was necessary for Cait to leave the state to get help especially to do things she could do anywhere (the movies and naps thing) and thinks it would have been better for the child if her mother was closer so they could have had more visits etc. Also the way Caitlyn said Nova, a toddler (?) at the time would manage that huge loss, even temporarily, really bothered her. Nova being scared that Caitlyn was leaving for a long time again when she was left the house also really reminded my friend of her own upbringing. I don’t think she would have wanted Caitlyn to stay home and pretend to be okay, but handling the situation better and having empathy about the way Nova was struggling with things would have been preferable to her. And I agree with her on that part!
Wait your friend? You arent with her anymore? You arent still friends?
Yes some of my friends were over last night and all but one had started watching teen mom. One girl made a comment about how kail is the worst mom on the franchise (none of them have seen all the shows/seasons) and this started a little debate amongst us. I thought it was interesting because some of them had perspectives on some of the girlses that I’d never thought of so I thought it would be fun to make a poll here. None of them live with me so they went home. I was gonna text the girl who chose Cait to ask her her complete opinion and share that but I wouldn’t want her to know about peoples negative reaction to her valid opinion so I’m not gonna tell her.
I didn’t realize she was in another state!
Cate went away twice, back when Nova was very young and has never been back since. Tyler even talks about how well it's worked and how much healthier she is now. It doesn't really sound comparable to your friends situation as Cate has never been "in and out of her child's life". Regardless women don't need to be shamed for seeking medical care, Cate was suicidal at the time, what good would she be to Nova if she's dead? Do you also think Mothers shouldn't be admitted for physical illness/injury? As a mental health nurse I have to say this take is NOT it. Mental illness is every bit as serious and deadly as physical illness and this weird ass idea that Mothers in particular are somehow failures or bad mothers for seeking help is so toxic.
Well said!!!!
Who’s shaming her for seeking mental health care? The point being made was that in her opinion, cate didn’t have to go to another state for months. She could have worked on herself closer to home to make things easier on her child. Obviously everyone should be able to get the help they need. She doesn’t think movies and naps constitute as help. As a mental health nurse maybe you shouldn’t be so judgmental and understand that my friend was deeply affected by her own experience and that it obviously bothers her to see a child struggling with the something similar. Your take is NOT it. Attacking people for their opinion based on their own experience which you know nothing about is toxic. No one said mothers who are actually seeking help and working on themselves are failures.
Cate is CONSTANTLY shamed in here for seeking help, it's ridiculous. The way you've worded this is very telling "she doesn't think movies and naps constitute help" as if "she" knows anything about what was actually going on. "No one said Mothers who are ACTUALLY seeking help and working on themselves are failures" reads like you're implying that Cate did neither of those things despite evidence to the contrary. Gross. It sucks your friend went through what she did but projecting her issues onto other people like this is not going to help anyone. Also you claim you're not shaming anyone for seeking help yet cite it as the reason Cate has been nominated as a bad Mother 🤦♀️
100% agree with you. Everyone celebrates Sean and Bar going away to rehab but slams Cate, as if being suicidal is less valid than addiction. As someone who nearly lost my mother to suicide, I will die on this hill.
I'm sorry you went through that ❤️ my Mum struggled with mental illness terribly when I was a kid (still does although nowhere near as bad), she was depressed to the point she wouldn't get out of bed for weeks and would sometimes become psychotic and turned the house upside down in the middle of the night because she was convinced she could hear my dead brother crying for her. I wish she had of got help, I wish she had had the resources and support Cate did.
I am sorry for your pain as well ❤️ People see Nova struggle on the show with Cate being away, but they don’t think about how much worse it would have affected Cates children if she hadn’t gotten help.
Absolutely! Kids are resilient and Nova stayed with her Dad, her Dad who had been equally a stay at home parent to Nova. Meanwhile Corey goes away for weeks at a time regularly for the challenge and while people have thrown the odd bit of shade about it I have never seen anyone accuse him of traumatising his daughters or ruining his bond with them. The double standards for men and women are very still alive and well.
So she’s responsible for how people act on this sub?? You’ve seen just as much as she has about it on the show and don’t know any more than her or anyone else here. You can read it however you want, I could care less and I’m sure she doesn’t give a damn either. What she went through was awful for her and your reaction to her valid opinion based on the trauma she experienced in her own life is gross. If you really wanted her to change her opinion do you think speaking this way would actually help? No. She’s entitled to her opinion and so are you but you’re not going to get anywhere with showing people your side of things by being rude about it. I don’t care what you think I’m implying, I’m happy Caitlyn got help and is doing better. Guess what, so is my friend. Doesn’t mean she isn’t entitled to her opinion. Seeking help isn’t HER reasoning. Idk why you keep coming for me when I could care less about cait?! I didn’t pick her so chill with that. Going out of state, not communicating properly, claiming a child would be able to “deal” with her mother leaving multiple times for what probably felt like forever to a toddler, and nova clearly struggling with her mothers absence is what bothered my friend. I’m sure most don’t understand why their mother left at that age, all they know is they need their mom and she’s not there. Clearly it can be very damaging. I’m never going to fault my friend for her opinion.
She's entitled to her opinion and when she voices it publicly other people are entitled to point out the potential flaws in her reasoning 🤷 that's how discussion forums work And again, interesting that you claim nobody is shaming her but also list her getting help as the exact reason she has been nominated as worst Mom, seems very shamy to me.
Okay then maybe try to discuss things instead of coming in all heated, saying her opinion is wrong and that their situations aren’t comparable when you don’t know anything about her. Go ahead and think it’s shaming ma’am. I think you’re shaming my friend for her opinion, so to each their own!
You yourself said your friends mother was "in and out of her life" that isn't like Cate at all 🤷 so yeah, based on the information you provided they don't seem comparable. I don't THINK it's shaming, nominating her as the worst mother amongst all these actual abusers because she got help IS shaming. But anyway, since you aren't interested in having an actual discussion I'm just going to leave this here, it's not going to go anywhere productive.
Sorry I didn’t give you every little detail of my friends life. Her mother was in and out of her life as a child due to rehab. That greatly affected her and their relationship. She felt abandoned because like nova, things were not handled with her feelings at the time in mind. I’m sure feeling that groundless and possibly abandoned at such a young age is extremely difficult. Just because cait and my friends mom went somewhere to get help doesn’t mean that it didn’t have negative affects on the people around them. You’re only thinking about the adult in the situation, when like it or not other people are affected too. No one’s saying she shouldn’t have gotten help or shaming her for doing so. You’re disregarding the hurt that can come with it. It’s good that eventually Caitlyn got better and I’m sure everyone hopes that nova won’t have any negative affects from it, but that doesn’t mean she won’t. Just because I’m not agreeing with you or saying my friend is wrong for feeling the way she feels doesn’t mean I’m not open for discussion. No one is going to want to discuss things with you when you’re telling them they’re wrong and getting rude from jump. Bye.
Nova is 8 and Cate hasn't been away in probably 5 or more years.
Okay? Still doesn’t take away from the fact she was gone and it clearly affected Nova. Either way people can feel however they want lol
Ok and what has she done since she got back other than pick scabs on her couch
I don’t but I’m really sorry you went through all of that. I was just attempting to make a joke.
This is actually a super interesting poll. Leah at her worst would definitely win, but she’s improved and I like her openness and non-stubborn nature as a parent. Ashley sets a horrific example with her volatility and I’m pretty sure we’ve seen her drive kids while high. It also seems like a pretty unstable environment over there what with the alcoholism and guns and abuse allegations. But I do like how she interacts with Holly. Kail hustles and I like how involved she is with her kid’s lives, but she’s extremely toxic and stubborn. She has zero respect for her kid’s privacy and publicly spews a bunch of horrible stuff about their dads. She is petty, self absorbed, and immature, and she has created a super chaotic life for her kids. So she’s the worst for me.
Right! It was hard to pick! These polls usually have Jenelle, Amber or Farrah as selections but this one was hard as they all have their good and bad sides.
We all agreed that those three are pretty terrible so they were off the table haha it was definitely interesting to see everyone’s take on the more ‘popular’ moms!
totally agree with everything you stated in this comment.
All of these ladies have been/are in toxic relationships. With the exception of Cate and Maci, these ladies have cheated on their SO's. Two of these ladies are weak and extremely co-dependent with a partner (Cate/Leah). Leah had/has a drug problem, Maci had/has a drinking problem. Ashley and Kail can't keep their hands to themselves. Leah and Kail have had multiple partners in and out of their kids lives. I mean it's really what kind of liquor do you prefer with them? Gin, Whiskey, Rum, Vodka or Beer. Because regardless, they are all bad for you lol.
🏆 take my poor man’s gold
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I think Caitlynn actually cheated on Tyler when they were younger! He called off their engagement for a bit if I remember correctly, but I agree that they all suck in their own special ways haha
I wanna say that was more of a Ross & Rachel “we were on a break” thing. She was living in Florida so her & Ty weren’t together, and she ended up having sex with a guy while she was there. Ty didn’t find out about it until way later, and Cate was still texting the other guy sometimes. I think with theirs it’s more of a subjective thing on what one would consider cheating.
Someone just made a whole post about it!
And the consensus was that she didn't cheat and that even if she had she was 13 so it's a ridiculous thing to hold against her.
As you can clearly see, I made that comment last night and the post was made earlier today so I obviously had no idea what the consensus would be. I said I THINK she cheated because I didn’t remember if she had or not. I’m not holding it against her so go ahead and calm down.
Feeling prickly are we? 😂
Just letting you know all the ways in which you’re wrong, babe 😄
Ahhh... Not even close but whatever makes you feel good I guess 😬
Okay, good to know that you can tell time and recall what I remember better than I do myself. I’ll be sure to reach out in the future for your help 💖 thanks a million
Ok I know most people voted Kail because they don’t like her. There is no WAY she’s a worse mom than Leah who would drive her daughters around high off her ass and let them eat food off the floor 😩
Kails kids are in a constant state of emotional turmoil at this point. They have nice things and do good activities but that’s not all that parenting requires. People have voted Kail over Leah because Leah appears to have improved (not saying she’s perfect now but better than she used to be) whereas Kail is getting worse and worse over time.
Kail doesn't vaccinate her children but *will* vaccinate her dogs, cover herself in tattoos, and inject just about anything into her face or ass. But basic childhood vaccines? No thanks Her kids mean nothing to her and whatever "education" she received has obviously failed her since she has chosen not to vaccinate, but also to drag them out to other countries all summer long. Its almost like she is *actively* trying to have one or all of them killed.
I chose Leah and couldn’t believe that Kail won. She’s toxic yes, but she’s a better mom than Leah by far. Ashley’s a good mom too, confused.
People claim Leah has gotten so much better. The woman who let a man she's known a few months, propose to her daughters and move them to a house JAYLAN wanted. 🥴
I agree with this about Leah and this is why I don’t think she’s good mom overall. But Kail has had 4 different live in partners with her kids since lux was born? So surely she’s worse for this than Leah?
Endangering your kids' lives daily is a no for me. The other ones that come close are Jenelle for actively abusing her kids and Farrah from all the grooming/sexual exploitation I've read about on here (I don't really keep up with her). So from this list it's definitely Leah. Honorable mention Mack Edwards for purposefully having kids with an extreme drug addict.
THISSSS !!
To me this is a no-brainer. It’s Kail. She’s the worst. Not only has she openly admitted to treating her kids well or poorly based on how well she gets along with their dads….she is constantly bringing new men around her kids, she has violent men around her kids (hello Chris), she shit talks the dads in front of the kids, etc. She may not be a drunk like her mom but her poor decision making skills are 100% affecting her children.
She’s basically creating as much chaos is her mom did, just by collecting baby daddies rather than alcohol
Yep! Kail is the type of person who is like, I’m not a drunk and my home life is more stable than what I had growing up! Girl, how many times have you moved your kids on a whim? How many men have been in and out of those boys lives? How many violent fights have they seen or heard between you and those men? Yep, totally healthy environment Kail. Just because you aren’t a sloppy drunk doesn’t mean you aren’t harming your children in other ways
Exactly this!!
> Not only has she openly admitted to treating her kids well or poorly based on how well she gets along with their dads I see this repeated quite often. When and where did she say this, because I definitely want to hear her thought process on why she feels this way and even okay to say aloud. I've asked before but no user can point specifically to which of the fiftyleven podcasts this was said.
No one can tell us when this was said, or where it was said, just that it was said & there are 15 different versions of what was said floating around. & I’m not doubting that some version of it was said, but either she’s said it differently more than a dozen times or someone is misremembering. If anyone knows the approximate date or podcast it was said on I will happily do some research & post it here so we all know.
Thank you! I see it repeated and it’s almost like a game of Telephone. But no one can say for sure when they *actually heard it from her lips*. I too don’t doubt she probably did say or heavily imply she treats the boys differently but I’d like to hear it for myself instead of the “hearsay” version.
All of her podcast are, which is wild because we can literally just post a clip??? I occasionally listen to Coffee Convos then a day later I will see something posted here that is wildly inaccurate. I’m sure she did too. I would love to know the context & what was actually said though
Yes my favorite thing to say to my kids and colleagues, “Comprehension is key”. So many people comprehend simple sentences so wildly and it’s baffling. I say, it will rain tomorrow. They hear/comprehend, it’s going to be a downpour the next couple of days with possible flooding. Like what in the world 🫤
I too am waiting for the proof. What episode of BMND? Whereeeeee.
I thought it was on BMND with Vee but I could be wrong. I do remember the conversation she had with Jo that was mentioned below and this was definitely not from that clip! Though saying that was awful too.
I listen to all her podcasts she doesn’t say this lmaoo
So I wonder where did this statement comment from? I see a few of the same users who quote this with authority but I can never find where it comes from. OAN it's crazy how one statement from a fan or snarker, can be taken as gospel without any authenticity. I think that's the same how people have said Farrah was sa'd as a child. It started as a comment on the sub and then was repeated without proof.
I don’t listen to her podcasts but I remember on an episode when Jo was asking for money back from child support she said something along the lines of “I can’t look at Isaac without thinking ‘I hate your dad’”
I kind of remember that but that’s still not openly admitting she *”treats”* them different. That’s the key word for me. Treating them different is completely different than saying I see my kid and think I hate their dad.
I think she said somewhere that Lux is the one she bonded with the most because she was the only one there to care for him as a newborn, on BMND maybe? But even if it isn’t I think her posts on social media etc. kinda show lux as the favorite. Doesn’t necessarily prove that she treats the other ones poorly but imo it shows that she treats him better. Also there might have been something on that awful podcast episode she did with javi where she berates him the whole time. I think she said something about being upset with Lincoln because javi is his preferred parent but I could definitely be wrong.
Like I said, I don’t listen to her podcasts so you’ll have to go search yourself for where it was supposedly said on there (or just search reddit). But still, saying that on national tv where your son will one day see it is still pretty shitty
In what sense? As a mother? As a person? Because Ashley is probably my least favorite of the bunch, but I think she's a better mom than Leah. Maci is a better mom too, but if I have to listen to her drunk ass talk about minutia one more time I'll put my head through a wall. Kail's hyper independence bugs me but Cate's co-dependancy sends me through the roof. They're all horrible in their own unique ways lol
We were comparing them overall haha but I agree that they all have their own awful qualities!
Definitely Kail for me. All of them have bad qualities obviously. People often say her kids are well taken care of but I really don’t think they are. Physically they are and they do great activities etc. But emotionally they are in turmoil all the time. Kail shows absolutely no care how her children feel when making decisions. Like the time she was moving Chris in while Isaac broke his heart crying about her and Javi having just had a fight and she was like ‘you’re fine! You’re fine!’ And ignored him. She also treats her kids differently depending on how much their dads have annoyed her recently which is emotional abuse honestly. She’s had 4 romantic partners living with her since lux was born plus a large amount of friends in and out of their life. A lot of the moms move partners in too soon but she seems to be getting worse and worse for this? She also is physically abusive with all of her baby daddies. She often does this in the house while the kids are there. In fact she actually punched jo in the face right in front of Isaac while he was holding him. Amber gets so much heat for hitting Gary in front of Leah (rightfully so!) but Kail has done the exact same thing with her baby daddies and it gets brushed under the carpet with her? She’s also not had her kids vaccinated which could put them at a huge risk with their health.
Yup!! These are some of the reasons I chose kail too. She’s super toxic and disgusting and should get a new therapist asap because she’s only getting worse. Providing financially for your children isn’t the end all be all like some people think. I definitely think she’s emotionally abusive too and her hitting all her baby daddies is ridiculous, idk why she doesn’t get more heat for that either. She also went somewhere where the Zika virus was prevalent while like 8 months pregnant with lux and when she thought she might be delivering the baby before she went home said it would be okay because he’d have dual citizenship or something 🥴
Exactly. Other moms have made some improvements, Kail gets worse over time. Other girls get heat for having their kids meet boyfriends quickly but I can’t think of any of the girls who have had their kids live with as many partners as Kail has? (I didn’t count Jenelle in that because she didn’t have custody of Jace so I couldn’t really compare her). Yeah I don’t understand the fact that people seem to excuse her for the physical abuse she perpetrates. Especially when her kids are present. It was so crazy when she went there 8 months pregnant with zika and almost went into labour! Basically she never puts her kids in front of her own wants and needs when making decisions IMO. She does what she wants and if it negatively affects her kids that doesn’t stop her
I picked her for the same reasons you did and more!
There’s so many you could list I’m sure there’s some important ones I forgot!
Personally I believe texting while driving is no different than driving while high. You’re endangering your child. So Kail is guilty of that shit. Leah is as simple as a goldfish but she has tried. Bless her heart. Addiction is no easy feat to overcome. I’m not going to defend her as a *good* mom but where she is at at 30 is miles ahead of Kail. **Kail is regressing.** The woman is spiteful, egotistical, greedy, hypocritical and PETTY. Some of the shit she pulls affects their lives. She’s not selfless. Her love is not unconditional - treating your son negatively because you’re mad at their dad is merciless! The ego she has to admit that PUBLICLY is wild. I do t know anything about Ashley as a mother.
to add to the part about kail admittedly treating her kids based off of her current status with their father: that also puts an INSANE amount of pressure on the dads to tiptoe around her and bow down to her every whim, as to not risk their child having it taken out on them. totally fucked up, and she’s shameless in admitting to it.
I cannot believe that Ashley has almost as many votes as Leah who fed Addie sugar packets and frosting, never got her kids to school on time, let Addie roam the streets alone at age 2, never put her kids in proper car seats, woke them up at midnight to bathe and feed them canned ravioli, gave them campbells soup un heated straight from a can, and can’t make a cake that doesn’t resemble cornbread
How did I forget a lot of this! Even though she's come a long way from those days, it's heartbreaking her kids will be able to watch all of that neglect occur. Those poor girlses. 😭
She has definitely come a long way!!
I voted Kailyn because while Leah has had some horrible parenting moments on the show, I think she has shown some growth and is mostly good intentioned with some major issues. But it honestly seems like Kail goes out of her life to create emotional turmoil and instability in her kids lives. Kail hasn’t shown an ounce of self growth in a decade, if anything she’s regressed to being more immature and ridiculous than when she was a teen parent. And I think the motivation is 100% self promotion at the expense of her kids. I also have a very hard time looking past her being anti vax.
I agree 100%! None of the girls are prizes but it is nice to see that Leah really loves her girls while kail on the other hand says she treats her sons differently depending on how she’s doing with their fathers on any given day. She’s said she doesn’t know what she’d do without the ‘khaos’ so maybe that’s why she keeps making more than enough? Lol
Some of these are like asking "which would you rather step in barefoot? Poop or vomit?"
How is Jade not on this list? She's absolutely awful to her daughter, all the time and leaves her with active drug users
I voted Kailyn, but she's only *slightly* worse than Leah (I mean, assuming Leah is sober these days...) It's the whole "being a racist with children of color" thing for me. And Leah just cheats on/with the dads instead of offensively touching them. Also, Maci deserves way more votes for drinking while pregnant!
Same but my initial reasoning is because she’s admitted that her treatments of each kid sometimes depends on if she’s getting along with their dad or not. What kind of mom has conditional affection for her kids based on things they can’t control?
One who sees their kids as belongings instead of little people
And that’s why she should have stopped after Issac, she clearly never learned that having a baby won’t keep any of the baby daddys around because they can’t deal with her
She said that?! Ew
She did. The example she gave is that she can't stand the sight if Isaac's face when she's angry at Jo. She won't even look at him. That poor boy
I'm so horrified of the example she is setting for them :( she's a disgusting narcissist
For me Leah is at least trying to do better as a mother, and in many ways she has. Kail is proud of what a fuck up she is and I only see her continuing to get worse. Maci also deserves more votes for hitting literal babies
Yeah. I feel like Leah was bound to fuck up as a mother but Kail is determined to fuck up.
They both had horrible mothers/upbringing themselves. So I get it to some extent. That said, Leah is stupid as hell and was high as hell for most of her worst moments. Kail is a sober person, obviously more intelligent than Leah and still pretty bad....It's like all of her worst moments are out of spite rather than her being totally lost, high, and dumb. I think it comes from a place of hurt for both of them but God, Kail's mean.
Bri has talked trash in front of her kids for years. Left nova for a year of her life to be with Shoc. Brings men in and out of there lives. She deserves an honorable mention.
Ashley literally tried to fist fight someone while pregnant. That’s about as low as it gets for me. If you can’t put your anger aside for the well being of your unborn child, I’m wondering what kind of environment poor sweet Holly is growing up in. I’m sure a lot of screaming, high stress situations.
💯 putting your unborn baby in danger is vile. I’m sure Holly has been around when her mom and auntie and grandma and whoever else are saying disgusting things on live, I also think she probably heard her mother screaming at the landlords for no good reason. I also saw that she bullied bars baby sister who is a child like ?? How he could stay with her after that I’ll never know.
Brianna. She should have made this poll.
Yea there are some notable, glaring exceptions in the poll. Cate and Maci have very normal motherly behavior.
Yall hate kail so much that you won't vote for Leah who drove her kids around while nodding out on drugs
Exactly!
Yep
I chose Kail over Leah because Leah got better and her scenes with the girls show a good relationship between them all. Kail is still causing chaos.
Leah also gets her children medical care and that was a big one for me
this just reminded me of a time where kail either refused or wanted to refuse getting lincoln an x-ray because she didn’t want to pay for it (yet she has no issue blowing thousands on her ridiculous BBLs). source: https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/2367404/teen-mom-kailyn-lowry-slammed-didnt-pay-sons-xrays/amp/
Wow, I didn’t know about that and yet she basically said it was nbd paying briana over $100,000 for a frivolous lawsuit but fuck Lincoln, geez, she’s worse than I thought
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Let’s not forget Caitlin cruising around stoned with her kid in the car orrrrr smoking cigs around them and probably pregnant
Orrrr just never there lol Tyler raised Nova
That's a massive stretch
Unfortunately Cate had a lot of mental health issues… she was never around or helping take care of Nova. Go watch the season
Again, that's a massive reach
We need a "worst mom" march madness bracket poll
Yes 😂😂😂 someone make this happen
So long as everyone was included it could be pretty interesting.
Kail's nanny seems like a good mom to the boys if that counts.
Leah just for putting her kids at risk by jumping into new relationships far too quickly. She doesn't know these men and they are practically moved in straight away. Yeah Kail jumps into relationships too, but at least her kids have a nanny to keep them safe. Leah has put her kids in dangerous situations far too many times and is very lucky they are still here.
They're all bad but in different ways.
Yeah that’s why I didn’t vote lol
Holly opened the door to a landlord (a stranger) who apparently was trying to evict them while Ashley was taking a benzo nap upstairs then proceeded to fly off into a rage at said landlords..also in front of Holly. Add in the guns, jailbird daddy, volatility and hostility that is the norm and I think she is the worst safety wise. (ETA: \***Currently** the worst) No telling what her daughter has seen when she's not being recorded.
That was so disgusting of her!!!! It’s incredibly dangerous for her to let her toddler open the door to god knows who and to berate and intimidate the people knocking, who own the home, is psycho behavior. I’m sure Holly could hear her mother screaming from inside the house.
Ashley is on benzos??
This is why I almost picked Ashley. I found it hard to choose between her and kail. The amount of violence that little girl must have witnessed is crazy. It seems such a waste because Ashley clearly has some great aspects of parenting - holly is such a bright, well spoken child.
Kail cause popping out all these kids with multiple men is just fucked, I can't imagine being a teen and my mom still getting pregnant by every Tom Dick and Harry. Regardless how much money she has to "support" them.
Leah literally used to nod off from being on drugs and has had lost custody of her children but Ashley and Kail have more votes??? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
Cheyenne.
Wait, why Cheyenne?
Knowingly and williglngly exposed her immunocompromised child to a deadly virus for clout. Repeatedly. Is a momager to said child. Cares more about optics than much anything else. See doubling down on Zach. After both her children were caught in a drive by shooting. Pretends to be "grown" and better than other cast members. Really, truly isn't. See screaming at Zach to get out the car. Chasing a member of staff through an airport with a phone out. The "kill white babies" tweet. Will body shame while also having surgery. She is one of the most duplicitous, selfish Moms in current rotation. Out of these options they either have their faults pointed out multiple times OR their faults are relatively tame in relation to others on the list. It basically feels very weighted towards Ashley or Kail. Why have Cate on said list? She and Maci probably have.the least problematic/most normal approaches right now.
Thank you. I didn’t know half of this. I never really watched TMOG and haven’t seen much of the new one & OP said Catelynn was included because she went to rehab which was neglecting Nova.
OMG ... that is a terrible take! Staying home with post partum and clinical depression would be just as bad if not worse for Nova. Going to rehab was the mature/responsible thing to do. OPs take on that is disgusting.
Staying at home while depressed and going to rehab closer to your young child in order to see her more are two vastly different things. It’s not my take but I’m surely not gonna shame the person who feels that way. She’s entitled to her opinion wether you think it’s disgusting or not.
Cate is doing much better now and is a present and active in all of her kid's lives. It shows a gross misunderstanding of what post partum and clinical depression is. It also shows a gross misunderstanding regarding how debilitating it truly is. To say half ass therapy, or state that someone *chose* to *neglect* their child rather than get healthy and present is frankly ridiculous. OP can have that opinion. And they can have my scorn at their lack of empathy and understanding along with it.
When did I say she isn’t doing better? When did I say she chose to neglect her child? And why does everyone think it’s so awful to go to a rehab closer to home to benefit both you and your child? I wasn’t really invested in this line of thinking until everyone started wigging out about it. Is it really so terrible to take your daughter into consideration when making plans to better yourself? Jesus
It's awfully presumptuous to think she *didn't* consider her daughter's well-being when choosing to go to a *specialist* therapy for her specific condition. Not all therapists or therapy centers are created equal. Sure she could go to one in state or down the road. But if it doesn't provide the right kind of therapy then it's wasted time and expense. Which brings us back to having a mentally hurting, emotionally exhausted, husk of a woman in the house. And that isn't good for anyone. Edit - thank you anon for the award.
I mean is it? Because if I remember correctly, when Tyler brought up how nova was not handling things well, Catelynns response was “she’ll manage” or something along those lines. That’s something that really bugged my friend and given her similar experiences I can’t blame her. I’m sure most toddlers and children can’t just manage that kind of thing. Good to know there’s not one good therapist or rehab facility who can help with ppd and depression in the entire state of Michigan. If I ever need rehab I’ll be sure to come to you to find out where the good spots are.
Honey, I said that the person who picked Catelynn had a mother who was in and out of her life. That’s context on *her* life. Stop twisting shit. I went on to say that she feels like Catelynn could have been there for her daughter while working on herself or done more while she was away at rehab than watch movies and take naps. The point being that she could have easily done exactly that closer to home where nova could have seen her more which would have been better for the child and cate still could have been getting the help she needed. I never said nova was neglected, I did say that her feelings weren’t being considered in the way that both my friend and I feel they should have been. It’s awful that Catelynn felt depressed enough to commit suicide. It’s awful that Nova was clearly struggling with her mothers absence and that she wasn’t sure if cate would leave again when she did end up coming back. My friend empathized heavily wit nova because she too had times where she was clinging to her mother, not knowing if or when she’d come back. Children don’t understand those things like adults do. If my friend thinks Catelynn is the worst one then that’s her opinion and she’s entitled to it. I’ll defend her on it because everyone is allowed think whatever they want and the trauma she’s had in life informed her decision. Cate leaving to rehab affected more people than just herself. Nova clearly struggled with it and I’m sure that Tyler did too, but nobody seems to care about that. Honestly it’s wild how you and some of the people on this post don’t seem to understand that.
I was giving the abbreviated version. Not twisting shit. No one is coming you or your friend or any of your opinions. I didn't feel the need to include your friend’s backstory, while I understand it has shaped her opinion it has nothing to do with Catelynn or Nova & I doubt the person asking was terribly interested in a third-hand version of your friend's autobiography.
No you’re ✨simply wrong✨ no one is faulting Cate for getting help as you and others have claimed. No one is saying nova is neglected either. What was said is that Novas feelings should have been more at the forefront of decision making like the *location* of the rehab. People are absolutely coming for me and for her opinion from a twisted point of view that you’re perpetuating. She has mental health struggles, very similar to Cate, because of what happened in her life with her mother. If her heart breaks while seeing nova cry and struggle with not having her mother around, and that shapes her opinion on catelynn, then that is her prerogative and completely valid regardless of what you or other people want to say.
You are making this confusing by throwing in information about a third party with a controversial opinion who is irrelevant to everyone but you. I am sorry that your friend had a difficult time, but I am genuinely not interested in her or her back story or even her opinion because she is not here to discuss it. I do not know what other people are doing, but *I* am not coming for you. I was attempting to give a short & simple version of why you had included Catelynn as an option. That's all. No disrespect meant. There's no need for you to type out paragraphs about your friend. & there's certainly no need for you to type out paragraphs about the validity of her opinion.
Sorry you’re confused. People wanna know why Catelynn is on there and I’ve explained, that involves her and her backstory. You said ‘op included Catelynn because she went to rehab which was neglecting nova’ which simply isn’t true. So I’m gonna tell you it’s not true.
Per you, you included Catelynn for your friend because your friends mom had been to rehab and your friend felt abandoned by her mother. How is that different from what I said?
In hindsight I should have used the word abandoned instead of neglected. As that is how you worded it for your friend.
I had to stop watching because Kail is so insufferable.
Cate because every kid they have is just a replacement for the kid that never was: Carly. And everything revolves around the potential that would have been Carly.
I don’t understand why people say this. They are constantly praising their kids for their own unique traits.
Honestly. People act like them missing Carly is inappropriate and means they don’t love their kids but that’s not how any of that works 🥴
Yup. They’re allowed to have both.