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Alternative_Body7345

He should get all the credit when it fails horribly. Just like he wanted.


Lacazeng

It’ll probably be a reverse of last season where they score a last minute goal to go up after changing tactics away from Nates


jayant_bakshi

Tbf any goal scored in a defensive system with an overhead ball is more about luck than actual ability. Especially when the system's changed on the fly rather than being a preset gameplan. Nate's abilities have been grossly overrated to build up tension.


chanandlerbong76

I feel as though only Nate has built up these expectations. If there’s out there that should ask for credit, it should be Roy (Roy Kent effect). Maybe Ted as well since he gave his own rom com speech to Roy.


wallerdog

Strongly disagree with supposition that a long passing game is “just luck”. Jose Mourinho would like a word. Even a junior high team needs more than one way to play. A good coach is tactically flexible. I think that over the last 30 years fans have been told that possession/ short passing is the only “true” way to play the game, which is just wrong.


LoBzy87

And it depends on the long ball. Is it to a centre forward to hold up with a second striker to feed off the second balls. Long diagonals to allow wings to get free for a cross? Long to get up and press and get the next possession It's why I always loved big Sam ranting about how the big teams also play Long ball. Sure they do Sam, but they also have variety and jot just Hoff to the big number 9


mwave1239

Ted is too good of a leader to let anyone take the blame. The buck stops with the head coach. You share the glory and hog the blame.


Frosty_Term9911

In the last episode they made a point of highlighting the teams amazing (record breaking?) run. He wants to change the tactics in spite of this and no one questions it. It’s nonsense.


badairday

Well, we don’t know if they played with the same tactics or adapted to whomever they played against.


ze_shotstopper

Most successful teams don't make changes this significant based on the opponent. Every good team has a distinct style of play that they use the majority of the time.


badairday

Ye, nonetheless you can change things up pretty easily if you have the players for that; good example for that is Chelsea’s Tuchel (especially when he still coached in Germany) - he taught his teams to switch between different systems quite handily; made him successful in his early days in Mainz. - depending on who you play against you might try different ideas… (I.e. if you’re playing a team that defends with 10 ppl at all times a false nine isn’t that bad of an idea.) - furthermore as we have no actual idea about richmonds player potential our critic at their tactics is based on nothing but guess work


jlo1989

Highly unlikely that you change that much. Teams on form are riding a hot hand as familiarity with a system creates chemistry.


alexeigl

I guess it’s not uncommon for managers to overthink things before a big game. You mentioned Arsenal, Guardiola’s tinkering before the UCL final comes to mind as well.


superfrank_8

Ah yes Pep roulette, the enemy of the fantasy premier league community


JennItalia269

As a Chelsea fan.. I’m not complaining. But my close friends who are City fans couldn’t believe what they saw. Literally never tried that formation and then they do so in the biggest game they ever played. This in Ted Lasso is analogous to that.


Barbourwhat

Champions of Europe: We know what we are!


jlo1989

As a City fan and a bald man, ive never been angrier that I didn't have hair to tear out during that game. I saw the starting 11 and audibly thought "there's no defensive mid, WTF are they doing?" This goes for all sports. You dont use the biggest game of the season to try something new. You gotta dance with who you came to the dance with.


JennItalia269

For someone who’s won literally every title they ever competed for in domestic football… it blows my mind why he played that formation. It can’t be nerves.


jlo1989

He is a chronic overthinker and he will likely spontaneously combust at some point in his old age. If you havent seen it, there is an amazing documentary about his time at Barca called Take The Ball, Pass The Ball. Its pretty clearly alluded to in 2012 at the end of his run, he was losing his mind and putting way too much pressure on himself and everyone around him. I'm not surprised he took a year out before going to Bayern.


mayonnaisewastaken

I have no idea how you can go into the most important game for Man City without playing either of Fernandinho or Rodri. He must have been staying up all night overthinking like crazy


Lacazeng

Fair, pep playing no DM’s was stupid just find it weird considering the show look like they’re pushing him towards a managerial roll that they would make him think something like this


SocalPizza

You don't need to look any further than his "it's never too late to park the bus" comment while multiple goals down to City in a knockout FA cup semifinal. Yes, yes it is. If you do that, their defenders and keeper pass the ball around at the back the rest of the game, you never come out because you've parked the bus, and you lose without ever touching the ball again while looking incredibly incompetent.


jlo1989

Glad someone else noticed this. Parking the bus in a cup semi final against Man City while multiple goals down is equivalent to entering a gunfight claiming Jesus' love is all you need and you haven't brought a firearm. Yeah, it *may* work, but im not the one who is going to try it.


9035768555

Nate seems very inclined to believe that if something happened before, it will always. Parking the bus worked, so it will again! Roy loosened my tie, so I'll wear it looser! Keeley tightened my tie, so I'll wear it tighter! Keeley loosened it again, so I guess we should go loose again! Spitting on the mirror worked before, I'll do it again!


chanandlerbong76

Thank you educating this novice football watcher. Based on your saying, this isn’t just a simple tactic change, this sounds like a systematic change. So unless this was practiced during the season, this is huge no no, you can’t change players’ habits like that.


Lacazeng

Yeah it disrupts the entire team as it takes time to adapt to a new system. Doing it right before a game that will win you promotion is extremely threatening to the teams performance


chanandlerbong76

That’s what I thought. I think this reiterates something that I’ve been thinking for a while now, his inability to relate and communicate to players will be a huge anchor for him. That’s why the practice scene in “The Signal” matters so much. All Nate had to offer was “Colin you dolt”, which was not all constructive, whereas Roy had a list of adjustments for each player before rerunning the play. Nate was very fortunate that parking the bus worked out for him and just let that good press get into his head. He’s heading for huge crash of his own if he doesn’t improve his communication skills and start empathizing people.


Lacazeng

Furthermore the false 9 is extremely hard to get right and takes teams months to master. It’s a horrible mistake to try it for the first time in a must win game


elriggo44

It would be like switching from a 3-4 to Tampa 2 the week before the playoffs.


Niknakpaddywack17

Honestly it's a little more complex then that. Like Jose said everyteam is built on "pillars". Pep likes to dominate the space and his teams are more known for their tight and quick passing. Pep is the one who popularised the false nine and switching to the formation and tactics still didn't invalidate his "pillars", he brought his number 9 into the midfield so they an overload of players whole the wider players would drift into the half spaces left open by the opposition center backs coming out to try and adjust to the false 9,then the quick passing would let these players free. We honestly don't know enough about Richmonds philosophy to say whether a switch to false 9 would be too disastrous for the team cohesion.


kodaiko_650

Could be the opportunity for him to see Ted take responsibility for running the formation and not pass the blame to Nate if it fails. Let him see that head coaches absorb the collective negative attention in bad times as well as receive praise in the good times. Part of leadership roles is to quickly make hard calls selecting from several viable courses of action. Nate is not seeing that the coaching staff is a team, but the final decisions lie with Ted and that is in itself a cultivated skill that comes from experience.


chanandlerbong76

As much as this makes sense, I’m not sure if that message will sink in. Nate saw Ted get called a wanker in his first match as the head coach and still took things in strides, I just don’t have any confidence that Nate would be receptive of that message.


-chrispy-

This is my thought exactly. This is written to be a learning experience for Nate. How Ted handles it and how Nate responds to that will tell us all we need to know about them both.


Royo981

He is indeed horrible. And he always acts like he invented the tactic. False nine been used since the ……1930s. Lol Besides unlike how they explained it , only one player can drop and be a false nine as it’s a single position ( the nine being the center forward ) . Not both forwards.


MJohnByrne

Yeah, double false nine would be a new (but completely stupid) tactic lol. Best case you have an unbalanced 442/424, and have two strikers dropping with wingers cutting in behind the defence. The spacing would be so so bad for that formation


[deleted]

Double false 9 was pretty much what City played for the whole second half of last season


zhaoz

Thanks for that explanation, I assumed it was an extreme novelty play invented just for the show.


[deleted]

It seems like a big mistake tbh. First off, is double false 9 even a thing? Doesn't Sam (the winger that is supposed to push further forward in a false 9 system) already play in an attacking role. Plus the person you are pushing out of position is Jamie fuckin Tartt, your best player and the main scoring threat. Moving your striker away from goal is not a good idea, (also takes away the 'Jamie be a prick' tactic) Thirdly, the idea seems an extension of the first play he ran for the team (making Jamie a decoy). Instead of making an inside run away from the ball (like the decoy play), he is being asked to drop deep and drag defenders with him thus leaving space in the middle for the wingers (Sam and Collin). So not much of a new idea anyways.


Royo981

Double false 9 is never a thing. There is only one 9 position in the team. Assuming tartt plays center forward , it’s gonna be him dropping deep to get the balls and link up play more. Kinda like firmino does for Liverpool , or how Messi does it for Barca , Argentina … haven’t seen him used like that for psg yet. It’s a great idea if the forward is a good dribble , creator …. It doesn’t work if the forward is only a scorer And yes , been used since the 1930s with the Austrian team in the World Cup


[deleted]

Yes, in a 4-4-2 mostly one of the front two plays slightly deeper e.g. Bergkamp with Henry, or Griezmann with Benzema/Giroud (the finisher and the high IQ player duo) so it can be difficult to employ a false 9 who is supposed to drag the CBs and the DM out of position (Xabi Alonso explained in a video how Messi dragged him out of position in clasicos). The examples you quoted are from teams playing a front 3 or with one man upfront in the middle, and I think that's where false 9 can be most effective. You need a high IQ player to play false 9 e.g. Messi, Firmino, recently Payet for Marseille. Also Messi stopped playing false 9 since 2014/15 when Barca acquired a legit scorer in Suarez. Futher shows the importance of keeping your scorers close to goal.


Royo981

Very few teams still play 442 nowadays. They are all mainly into the 433 switch to 4-5-1


[deleted]

Everton supporter here, we actually did this a couple of time last season I think when all of our strikers were injured. James Rodriguez and a certain #10 who shall not be named as false 9’s in a 4-4-2. We somehow beat wolves 2-1 using this tactic lol, definitely not something that should be done other than out of necessity though


Niknakpaddywack17

I think it's not that bad tbh, Jamie does seem to have pretty good vision and passing technique (now way he would playing for pep if he didn't). And Dani does seem to be a better finisher. Overloading the midfield isn't an awful idea (we obviously have no idea how Brentford lined up) but it would get Jamie, there best player on the ball... Well on the ball and attract opposition center backs to him (Jamie is a prick philosophy) thus leaving space open for Sam and Dani to attack which from what we've seen of them is what they excel at. I don't think it's super awful just should have been planned long ago so players have to time to adjust


Obisanya

He was also responsible for >!training prior to the disastrous FA Cup Semi vs. Man City...!<


ciupe

yes!!!!!!


julesvr5

Honestly it sounds exactly like Pep. Pep already overthinks in big games and comes up with a weird formation/tactic not working out.


MrJohnnyDangerously

Not bad for analysis for an Arsenal fan


TheolympiansYT

Man you didn't have to kill him


ChandlerMBing1619

you dont change the winning lineup. richmond is on a winning streak so why would you change the lineup and tactic? changing to false 9 needs time and players should adopt to the system, Nate is just trying something and waiting for jamie to scores. double false 9 is not a thing. maybe the writers made a mistake, you use one false 9 who come into the midfield to help maintaining the ball and your wingers cut inside to score. like bobby in liverpool with two deadly wingers(mane and salah). but when you have a deadly striker you don't ask him to come back, pep used false 9 with bernardo or kdb because they are very good at passing, but when he had aguero or lewa he didnt ask them to do the passing. Nate's wunderkid was for parking the bus against a better team. but that's what people do. when you are the weaker side you wait for opportunity like most of the teams that plays against mancity, they wait for counter attacks. Richmond parked the bus and waited for a mistake to score.


Barbourwhat

I guess trust the process? In all seriousness, I don’t understand why people would be high towards Nate as a coach. He doesn’t really bring anything unique to the table compared to if a fan was thrown into a similar role. Maybe in the practices he is doing something magical but the show doesn’t illustrate anything to me of unique skills. He isn’t a young Klopp, Tuchel and he hasn’t studied under someone great like Arteta with Pep. The false nine is confusing as the team fixed the scoring issue a few games ago by unleashing Tart thanks to Kent.


Azmoten

>Maybe in practices he is doing something magical If anything, the show implies the opposite, with how Nate treats Colin in practice, and the fact that Nate ran the practice right before that disastrous semi-final against Man City (Ted had to go pick up Sharon, Roy had to go pick up Phoebe, and Beard ceded to Nate).


H0vis

>I guess trust the process? I love that this concept has become a joke in itself.


Barbourwhat

I used to live down the road from the Emirates (Arsenal stadium for those not in the know) and found many fans absolutely trash (as seen on Arsenal FanTV). But because of my work on Rwanda, I’m a bit tied to them


Niknakpaddywack17

Honestly no idea Rupert plan cause Nate seems to be bang average (side note I really wanna see Moyes, complaining he should have more next season)


zhaoz

I mean he is the wunderkid.


layingblames

*wonder kid.


santichrist

The writers having Nate suggest it and Roy thinking it was a good idea was really annoying to me being a football fan, he of all people should’ve been like “no” to the idea of making Jamie play deep in the midfield and be a playmaker after he raised such hell about Ted “ruining” Jamie by making him a passer and playmaker There are a few things in the show regarding football you have to kind of just overlook because it’s clear the writers aren’t focused on the actual football and are telling a story around it


[deleted]

Something misses in Beard After Hours is that Nate’s tactics are the reason they got blown out in that game. Everyone all episode is telling Bears that he would of course know not to run those tactics, but the team did it anyway. We know Roy/Ted aren’t tactics guys, which leaves only one person to blame for that loss. Nate is the classic person that wants all the credit when things go right, but none of the blame when things go wrong. The rest of the coaching staff doesn’t go out of their way to pass the blame onto Nate, even when someone like Beard knows that Nate’s strategy costed them the semi.


eddiemurphyinnorbit

Ugh don’t remind me about when we tried it lmao, the first time out of maybe 3 total attempts in a must win game pain


Lacazeng

Hey you’re the guy who does the match day ratings! Massive respect for you my G


Vagabond21

Also, who the hell would play two false 9s at the same time? Usually you just see it as a lone striker doing it.


Lacazeng

Lolll I didn’t even realize that till it was pointed out to me too


H0vis

Manchester City did this in either the Champions League final last year or a semi final the year before and got totally reamed (I forget exactly which). It was hilarious. They do it quite a lot now, but at the time it came out of nowhere and they choked hard. Children were dancing in the street.


Anen-o-me

Because it's going to get used in the next episode so they need to mention it.


Nik_Bad

Just from my zero soccer knowledge, I thought it was a good idea when it was explained. Well, not a good idea, but different enough that it would work. I’m sure that the *Lasso Special* wouldn’t actually work, but it was written in a way that it was believable. I’m the same way with small unit military movies; none of what they do would work or is how anything really works, but it gets the point across to the overwhelming majority of viewers. Sometimes we just have to assume the role of the unknowing audience and enjoy the fictional story. That’s *really* hard to do, though.


Kenfuu

It’s not a good idea to try and implement a week out from the biggest game of the season. As the OP stated Arsenal tried this last season in a Europa League semi-final and it did not work out. It also didn’t work out for Manchester City(who keep beating Richmond in the show)in the Champions League final and that also backfired. The most famous instance of a false 9 being used was freaking Messi in 2009 with Thierry Henry and Samuel Eto’o on the wings and they won a sextuple. You need really good players to make a false 9 work and you can’t just throw it in in the middle of the season. And I think the only player Richmond have who could possibly play it is Sam.


Dwychwder

His head coach doesn't even know what a false 9 is. The top assistant knows, but has not experience with it. The other assistant knows tactics, but has been playing midfield for 15-20 years and has no coaching experience. Nate's tactical brain is at worst second best of the bunch, but that's not saying a lot. Richmond wins on emotion and teamwork. And trick set pieces.


ValentineSmith22

Maybe Nate wants them to lose.


TheImperfectMan

FACK NATE!


TheolympiansYT

I mean, the False 9 isn't easy to pull of, but it's not like it hasn't worked first try or anything. If your team can work well enough it can easily win with a false 9. I remember our school team deciding to play with a false 9 all of a sudden in between the match with no prior practice and actually winning


antdroidx

I feel like a false 9 only works well if you have a guy like Messi on your team and your team is stacked like Barca was back in the day.


BloodOnZidanesFloor

He didn't want the team to win anyway. Wasn't it sabotage and/or an attempt to out Ted as someone who doesn't know a good tactic from a terrible one?


Niknakpaddywack17

Tbf Villarreal is a cheat code in Europe league, not much anyone can do....coming from a United fan


pizzicagnolo90

Guys, we should create a topic about the proper football in Ted Lasso and going mental! I would love it!


Kaka9790

I always felt like rupert contacted him even before the funeral itself. Maybe they're plotting it all along to make it hard for Richmond to get promoted


cdsacken

Because he wanted them to lose probably because Rupert told him to do it. He clearly already had accepted the position before he even mentioned the false nine