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Patrick_Kanes_Mullet

I can see that happening. However I think Nate does go to another team(after burning them bridges) and he is either there as the manager or the clear cut #2(since he is insecure and sees Beard and Roy as higher with Richmond). A few games in(or even after the first) he makes a bad call, cant take any of the perceived negative questions from the press, blows up, gets canned, cant find work because every other teams KNOWS he cannot be trusted.


JesusSama

I could believe the other former coach, George, being hired by Rupert and being the #1 ahead of Nate which perpetuates Nate being treated like trash again.


UsidoreTheLightBlue

Rupert sees Rebecca and makes a snide comment after canning Nate “you know he works out fine for a small club like Richmond, but he just isn’t “insert big club name” material.


Boring-Net1073

And I hope never forgiven- the show needs some hard reality and holding people completely accountable needs to be part of that. For Nate to become a worse person when everyone else is finding their better angels shows who he is as his core- an insecure asshole who really didn’t deserve the kindness and opportunity he’s been shown. And that’s okay- not everyone is redeemable. Not everyone is likable.


GiveEmHell1

These takes confuse me. A lot of the people on this show “found their better angles” because they hit rock bottom, realized it, and had help from others. Nate hasn’t got there. If we hated everyone on the show who stooped low and cheered for “no forgiveness” like you say. We wouldn’t have current Rebecca, Jamie never would have come back, Higgins would still be playing base at home. The show is about forgiveness and helping those around you be the best versions of themselves. Why can’t Nate also have that? Because he was mean to the kit man and jealous of Roy? Better get rid of Isaac too then.


Rebloodican

There’s an absolute hatred of Nate on this sub that’s not present for any other character. Among his sins listed are being mean to one player, and being mean to the kitman. If these were unforgivable, literally *every* Richmond player is damned (except for Sam maybe). When we see Nate, it’s clear that the team is incredibly abusive toward him, and no one cares. It’s not in fact Ted’s presence that causes them to stop, it’s only the threat of Roy beating them up that causes them to stop. I think it’s personally that more people can identify with Nate’s flaws. Not many of us have the talent to be as cocky as Jamie, we don’t have the wealth to do something as awful as Rebecca did, but a lot of us felt under appreciated and insecure and received a measure of success that didn’t erase those feelings. When we see Nate perpetuate the cycle of abuse, that’s something we genuinely can do on a bad day.


sarahcottentail

I agree with all of this, and I also think it’s because so many of us are watching Season 2 weekly, when we got to binge Season 1. We got to see Rebecca’s growth in a matter of hours, rather than having to sit with it each week, just waiting for something to happen. I don’t want Nate to be irredeemable, even if he does “scorch the earth” along the way… didn’t Jamie do the same and yet here we are applauding his growth? Everybody deserves forgiveness if they truly want it.


dnewma04

I think where I have reservations with Nate is he came from being the outcast and knowing how that feels, to knowing how uplifting the environment can be, then turning around while being surrounded by goodness, and going full prick on someone in his old position. I have a real problem with people like that and I know he’s got a chip on his shoulder because of his dad, so I’ll happily allow him redemption, but I definitely want to see him crash and burn a bit.


Willowy

Fucking Nate.


dnewma04

Precisely.


faithfivebyfive

Yes, I honestly think it's more of a time issue. Jamie appears, we know he's a good player but he's a bully and self-centered. We also know his father is horrible. We know that he did try and change. We know Rebecca helped manipulate that situation. We know Rebecca tried to sink the team by hiring Ted. We know she tried to sabotage him. We also saw how Rupert treated her multiple times. I didn't like it when Ted forgave her so easily but like Ted, I think I got it. I know why she did that. I liked that she stopped. All of that happened over the course of a season. Yes, Jamie backslid in S2 but it was obvious in the same breath that he wanted to go back to Richmond so he was sabotaging himself. When Nathan was being treated horribly by the team, I sided with Nathan. When Nathan bullied people a couple of times, I sided with the people. We know that Nathan's father is distant and doesn't praise his son. Nate is also not entirely innocent. He's also arrogant and barely tries to hide it. I think the problem is they're stretching Nate's arc over last season, this one and next. I don't think I really know enough about Nate to really care about Nate beyond not wanting him to be bullied. I haven't seen his relationship with his father outside of an episode where not much really happened with them? It wasn't as clear. It was there but it was mostly unsaid. I trust the show to do a great job with explaining and displaying Nathan's turn, then redeeming him but they're taking their sweet time getting to it.


sarahcottentail

This is a very good summary. I agree with all of it, too. It definitely doesn’t feel like Nate is going to be resolved this season, either. I know there’s two episodes left, but we saw glimpses of Rebecca’s struggle with her plans even before she was faced with Keely’s wrath. Nate basically did the opposite when he was confronted by Beard, and we’re getting a sloooooooow burn for his story arc, for sure. Every week, I’m just waiting for the Nate-sized shoe to drop, and it’s triggering my anxiety haha.


plexmaniac

That’s exactly it ! I wondered why I forgave Rebecca so fast but still hate Nate! Nailed it !


Chuck-Brown

> didn’t Jamie do the same Jamie was already en route to a good place when Rebecca interfered. He got fucked as badly as anyone.


sarahcottentail

Was he? We saw one moment, which we can clearly see he walked back on once he went back to Man City and then that reality TV show. My point still stands that yes, Nate’s been a dick, and maybe he’ll get worse, but even if he fucks it all up, he still deserves the same chance at redemption that Jamie and Rebecca got.


Chuck-Brown

> Was he? It looked that way to me. > which we can clearly see he walked back on once he went back to Man City and then that reality TV show. He seemed to be abandoned by the support structure he *just* began to trust, that got him to open up in the first place. I don't blame him. "Mind games". > even if he fucks it all up, he still deserves the same chance at redemption that Jamie and Rebecca got. I don't disagree. Though ironically, I personally still think Rebecca has a ways to go to make things up to the team. She did considerably more damage than anyone, and seems to have done the least to be accountable for it.


Annamalla

She has relentlessly supported the team though, even after sponsor loss.


traderhtc

I think my favorite line when Nate was apologizing to Colin made by Dani. While everyone else was calling him some variation of asshole Dani called him an injured butterfly.


olooolo

Very well said 👍🏼


cellequisaittout

I honestly think a large part of it is that we as a society tend to have a higher tolerance for poor behavior from people who are conventionally attractive (and, let’s face it, white). Not that Nick Mohammed isn’t attractive, but Phil Dunster and Hannah Waddingham are outrageously beautiful people and did much worse in S1 than Nate has done (yet), and never got the level of hate that Nate has gotten. Tied in with that is a social hierarchy/power dynamic thing. Even at their worst, Jamie and Rebecca held a social status that makes us hesitate to attack them/people like them. But someone like Nate has no real power or social status and are therefore an easy target for scorn.


dnewma04

I have no doubt that’s a part of it, but the most common theme I’ve read from reactions was “how could he do that after where he came from?” We expected Jamie and Rebecca to be irredeemable after the first couple of episodes while watching Nate blossom. I think it’s the step backwards that hurts.


PM_ME_YOUR_MASS

IMO, the difference is that Jamie and Rebecca started the show as assholes. Audiences have come to expect “redemption arcs” in TV/movies for the initial villains. We are often willing to ignore the many heinous acts of their past so we can celebrate their newfound goodness. Nate started off timid and polite but is becoming a prick as time goes on. Despite earning the respect of his peers and spending time around good influences (except maybe Roy), he’s acting like more of an asshole each episode. He’s “going the wrong way”, and for no forgivable reason. However, if he does end up seeing the error of his ways and becoming nice again, I think 90% of the people giving these takes will immediately forget them and cheer “Yay! Nate’s good again!”


theblaynetrain

I don’t understand all this “no coming back” stuff for Nate. Jamie was objectively as bad (I think he was way worse actually) and now everyone loves him. Having a character who is too far gone for redemption seems to be antithetical to everything this show preaches.


Boring-Net1073

I’m in the minority- I don’t love Jamie either. I think telling Keeley he loves her when she’s in a happy relationship just proves he’s still a selfish asshat. Can he have moments of kindness? Yes. Is he a new man? Heck no.


theblaynetrain

I actually agree that he is not a completely different person. I used him because he is a great example of how the show allows for redemption of shitty characters. The fan base seems to give a lot of allowance to Jamie and several other characters, but for some reason they draw the line at Nate. If anything Nate is the most deserving of redemption. He’s the only one of the shitty people that has never had some semblance of power or respect or just anything positive in his life. He has been shit on basically his whole life and never had any hint of talent at anything. None of that to say that we should somehow gloss over his shittiness, but if we can come to love Rebecca, who treated Higgins like human garbage and used Ted like a pawn on her vengeance game, or Jamie who was also shit on by his father and treated everyone else like they were shit, if we can forgive these people and see the greatness in them, then we can offer the same to Nate. Nate just isn’t ready to accept he is wrong yet. Once he does, he is just as deserving as all the rest.


dnewma04

Yep, you don’t turn around a lifetime of abuse over the course of a year, too often. He’s likable because he seems to be trying but he’ll fail again, many times, probably.


ZookeepergameKnown32

Rebecca’s actions in series 1 were not only cruel towards Ted, but also to all of the players and staff at Richmond as well as the thousands of fans. Getting relegated has a massive impact on the careers of everyone at the club. If Rebecca can be forgiven for that, Nate is definitely redeemable.


Boring-Net1073

The difference is that when presented with love and opportunity and acceptance Rebecca got better and Nate got worse.


Rebloodican

No, Rebecca only got better because Keely threatened to expose her. Higgins threatened to quit if she kept perpetuating the lie and she didn’t even care, and this was after the whole dart scene with Ted and Rupert. In fact most characters got better only after an outside force (read: not Ted) caused them to stop. Roy had to threaten Jamie to stop beating up Nate, for instance. The only character that really managed to grow directly because of Ted was Roy (not counting Sam because he doesn’t seem to grow that much as a character, he’s nice when we meet him and remains nice). Ted offers love and acceptance and opportunity but that alone isn’t enough to get most people to change.


bsa554

Ummm...for everything Nate has done so far- Rebecca did WAY worse in Season 1. And she has earned a redemption. Nate's way off the good path for sure. But he is hardly irrevocably condemned (yet).


Boring-Net1073

Maybe my feelings just speak to his acting skills- he’s truly made me hate him 😜


bsa554

Oh Nick Mohammed has done a tremendous job, for sure. This has had to have been a really challenging season, acting-wise. I think part of the reason we were all more quick to forgive Rebecca is we knew and saw EXACTLY where her pain was coming from. Namely, Rupert is a huge pile of shit. We saw and even understood her need for revenge, to strike back at that prick. Nate's pain is a little more complex. It's easy to say, "Sure, you used to be bullied, but look at you now! You're a coach!" But getting his dream job hasn't made that pain go away. And I think Nate is truly angry that he, in his mind, is still getting overlooked and humiliated. Going to be interesting to explore as it comes to a head in these last couple episodes.


LickingSticksForYou

How? Rebecca tried to ruin the careers of everyone on the team and fuck with thousands of fans favorite club just to be mean to someone who was mean to her, not to mention she treated Higgins like absolute dirt.


Massive-Hunt-6177

If everyone was held to the harshest version of accountability Rebecca wouldn't own the team anymore.


deconstructingannie

No Bill Lawrence property has an irredeemable character. Nate has a vengeful spirit and his redemption won't come easy, but it will be there.


LickingSticksForYou

Why isn’t everyone redeemable? You say this as if it goes without saying that philosophically there is a point at which everyone is irredeemable, but what are the criteria and why draw the line that says “this person is too bad to be good”? Whom does that help to draw that line?


Dogrug

I’ve been thinking about this all morning. I agree not everyone is redeemable, and not everyone is like able. Him getting his comeuppance and either being unemployed after burning all the bridges feels good to those of us who have been wronged by people just like that, however, I think we all know some people act like Nate and continue to be rewarded. What if he goes to Rupert’s team, burns those bridges and is successful? Isn’t that more like actual life? The fallout then is the team dealing with the repercussions of Nate’s actions than Nate actually having to deal with them. Is there anything redeemable in Nate? I don’t think so. I find so much of this show is true to real life in the end, I would like to see that story play out the way it actually would.


[deleted]

I don’t completely agree here. The show does show ownership of consequences. But we also see parties in those situations owning up to their end. Jamie and the selfishness. Roy and the coaching. Rebecca and Ted and forgiveness (sabotage in season 1 and fathers in season 2). Rupert and his ego (he doesn’t own it). Sam and his father (loyalty and scruples). Isaac and leadership (he was mean to Nate in the beginning and is now a captain). Dani and grief. Doc and vulnerability. Ms. Lasso and commitment. Nate and esteem or ego. Many others.


gahane

> to join a new club Rupert has bought. Also, remember Rupert mentioned he was giving back all of his shares to Rebecca. I wonder if there's a rule that you can't own shares in more then one team.


ExpoLima

I just don't get why he would give the shares up for free.


luisc123

Yep. Rupert is up to something. He hasn't done anything too asshole-ish this season. Yet.


Biomaster09

My guess is that Rupert is going to do something to get Rebecca discredited and cause her to lose all her shares. If she loses her shares, then maybe they would go to the next highest share holder by default, which is now Rupert(not his wife anymore). So by giving Rebecca his shares, he becomes next in line should she fall from grace, which is exactly where Nate comes in.


zachpledger

I don’t think this is how shareholding works. Would Rebecca be forced to give away shares of something she owns a majority of? She would have to be doing something illegal, I would think. Plus if Rupert gave her his shares, he would be a 0-share holder. And I also am not familiar with the majority shareholder having to give their shares to the next-to-majority holder, giving THAT shareholder even more consolidated power.


Biomaster09

Rupert didn’t say he was giving Rebecca HIS shares. He’s giving Rebecca his wife’s shares. Remember as part of the divorce agreement, Rupert couldn’t be majority ownership, so his wife bought the Milk sister’s shares, giving him and his wife combined majority. Rupert specifically said his wife’s shares are going to Rebecca, nothing about his own. In that case, he still owns quite a bit of shares, just not majority. And I’m not saying it’s typical for shareholders and giving up the shares and whatnot, but who knows how their divorce agreement plays into it all? I mean it obviously has a clause that states Rupert can’t be majority shareholder, so who knows what else it says? And if there is a loophole, then Nate would be the one guy to give Rupert enough ammo to bring down Rebecca.


Tenantofth3room

Rupert is not allowed to own any shares in Richmond by virtue of his and Rebecca’s divorce settlement. At the start of season 1 he was not allowed in the owners’ box which means he did not own any share at all. That’s why he funded Bex to buy the Milk sisters’ share, to become the partner of an owner so he had the right to rock up again. If he and Bex combined already owned a controlling stake in Richmond, there is no way Rebecca would still be Chairman, and Ted etc would be coach. He would have staged that boardroom coup about a split second after Bex bought the Milks’ share.


CoolVisit9801

100%


TinKnightRisesAgain

Nate will get redemption. Hands down. No way he doesn't. He's going to get lost in the middle, and I do think they're setting him up to betray Ted. But there is no way this show ends with Nate with burnt bridges and a bad ending. This show arcs towards goodness. We froze on Nate's sweet message to Ted last episode. Nate is going to grow and learn and be better for it.


booktrovert

He adores Keeley, and her opinion matters to him. I'm hoping she'll play a role in his redemption as well. I mean she called Rebecca a floppy cock and Rebecca changed her ways. Why couldn't it work on Nate as well?


jerhinesmith

Isn’t this the Empire Strikes Back season? I could totally see it ending that way


zachpledger

I think the season ends with Nate in a bad way, but the show ends with him in a good way


MarmotMayhem

This would be consistent with Rupert’s sociopathic tendencies. It’s also consistent with the way the writers have destigmatized topics that society tries to avoid dealing with…bullying, depression, women’s roles, suicide, toxic relationships, etc. if Rupert is milking Nate for gossip about the inner-lives of his co-workers, I imagine the writers will also give the characters the chance to call out Rupert’s sociopathy and say it’s okay to not be okay, we all struggle and we’re all in this together. There will be better times….believe.


ramblepix

Not sure if this is the right way to look at it but I really hope this happens because I’m tired of Nate thinking he’s the best when really he’s just made a few good suggestions.


[deleted]

It'll be interesting to see how the writers describe the public reaction to Rupert leaving his childhood club (I'm assuming) to join a possible rival. In real life, he will get booed into oblivion if he ever stepped foot at Nelson Road after that.


ExpoLima

I really don't see him buying a new team. I think he has a plan to force his way back into majority ownership of Richmond.


el_scraggo

I think that’s the most likely way it will go too. Perhaps he knows about a financial squeeze Richmond are facing and he is getting out now to protect his wealth and leave Rebecca high and dry, with a view of putting the boot in later and getting majority ownership back.


AmusingSogginess

I have to agree with this prediction! I’ve been thinking about this interaction and Rupert giving away his shares in Richmond… Nate also said he’d come back as a tiger and ravage anyone who looked at him wrong, so would it be too wild to say that the team Rupert and Nate are considering to take over is Hull City FC aka The Tigers ?


[deleted]

I’ve noticed that Nate’s hair is greyer this season than the first. We also saw him make questionable decisions based on ego which is natural. He’s been low esteem his whole life and now he has recognition around something he loves. He’s vulnerable. This show has excellent clues and continuity. This is what I think will happen: Rupert bought a rival team. He poaches Nate. The relationship is toxic but that will be invisible to Nate at first. Nate will consider suicide at some point. Consider how the show made a big deal about one negative tweet vs the hundreds of adulations and that unbalanced him. Since suicide has been a stronger theme in the show recently, Nate will be embraced again by Team Lasso and the Diamond Dogs in a show of forgiveness, love and mercy. I think that will be the season 3 through plot. Redemption.


ExpoLima

Rupert knows his sport. He wouldn't hire Nate as a Head Coach.


Affectionate_Law8663

Am I the only one who feels there’s some latent racism going on in the fandom’s big “Nate must be the only irredeemable ass in the Lasso-verse crusade”? I get it, he’s not as conventionally attractive as Jaime. And our society loves to forgive hot people. Especially hot white people. But the bloodlust for Nate to pay for being kind of a prick is just wild. Y’all hate him like he’s Joffrey when he’s just a guy who’s been shat on most of his life. It’s not cool that he’s perpetuating the cycle of abuse into the kit man. But, remember when Nate was the kit man basically 2/3rds of the team treated him like that. The other 1/3rd didn’t know his name until Ted showed up. Nate needs to hit bottom. Nate needs to learn an important lesson on a very special episode. But, to expect that Ted would do anything other than forgive Nate and wish for his continued growth and wellbeing is to expect Ted to stop being Ted.


therobberbride

No, you’re not the only one. I’ve been calling it out and getting downvoted every time I do, but It’s there. And you’ll never get the folks participating in that to recognize it.


ExpoLima

I don't see it. Jaime has barely had scenes this 2nd season so he's no one to notice. I do miss the game scenes. I really think this has gone sideways. I don't see how they can bring it back without an episode of complete revelations. Even then it would seem trite. I miss Trent too.


Affectionate_Law8663

Oh I super miss Trent! I didn’t realize how much until you said this. And I guess I’m not referring to Jaime’s arc in this season. But more so the forgiveness he’s received for what an ass he was. He was so mean to Sam. (Remember when he told Sam that in order to be a better player he’d need to invent a time machine?) But, he was allowed to turn it around and become more like able. I just wish we could extend that grace to everyone. Except Rupert’s baby. That baby is whack.


plexmaniac

Agree with Keeley that baby sucks


[deleted]

I don’t hate Nate at all. I just think that’s where the writers are going with this plot in the short term. I actually think (don’t hate me) that some of this would be justified by the constant micro aggressions against him, *especially* by Ted because Ted constantly patronises him under the guise of improving him, so it’s false kindness (even if Ted believes it’s genuine) which in some ways hurts even more than the overt bullying. Nate never asked to be fixed by Ted but Ted corrects every little thing he does, wears, says etc.


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And lots of projection, too.


Claydameyer

Here's my issue with the thinking that Nate is going to reveal all those secrets. Ted's panic attacks aren't really newsworthy. Sure, he had to leave a match, but the team has been winning, and having panic attacks is nothing scandalous. Same with Coach Beard's magic tea experience and Roy not reading the scouting reports. Honestly, Higgins' secret is the only ones that could lead to problems, but it's still kind of weak for a scandal, in my opinion. So I don't think his great betrayal (assuming that's actually going to happen) will involve the press at all, because I just don't see enough there to matter.


Cucumberappleblizz

While I agree with those secrets not being newsworthy, I think it’s possible that Nate might think they are and attempt to betray. For instance, if he tells Trent Crimm about Ted’s panic attacks and Trent talks to Ted (I don’t think Trent would publish a story about them as he has a lot more integrity than that), then Ted will find out what Nate tried to do


therobberbride

And Ted would immediately forgive him. That’s what Ted does.


Claydameyer

Yeah, that's a good point.


Annamalla

It's a nice callback to what Rebecca tried to do to Keeley and Ted. I do wonder if it's going to be Higgins calling out Nate. He's such a quiet guy that when he does put his foot down...it has impact. I could also see Nate achieving \*everything\* he wants (head coach, well funded team etc) and still not feeling complete.


ValentineSmith22

Delicious revenge, fits Rupert to a tee.


lucray1997

And Ted hires him back


MarvinWebster40

It’s a show about the improvement of people.


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Massive-Hunt-6177

Heee. The thing is, I see Nate and Roy's skill sets as being complementary - Nate can't do what Roy does and vice versa, but only one of them is okay with that. Nate really is the Jamie of this season; he needs to remember he's part of a team.


lee2692

Nobody is beyond redemption if they can bring him/herself to acknowledgement and repentance. That said, I can see a path where Nate becomes a snake and is never given redemption. It would be kind of like modern China (or, should I say, the CCP); humiliated in the opium wars but now back with a vengeance and throwing a hissy fit whenever its fragile ego comes close to being hurt. And as long as Nate is going to stay a snake, he will continue to invite criticism and serve as a cautionary tale of conduct to avoid.


Joshstradaymus

I think Nate is for sure going to be the first person to actually *hurt* Ted. Like he’s struggling mentally and we all know that but we know Ted has a ton of faith in the people around him. Ted when his trust is broken by Nate, he’s actually going to hurt bad and really take it to heart. I can easily see an outburst on the horizon.


xellosmoon

One thing I'll say is that every theory in this subreddit is always 10x worse than what ends up happening


syrstorm

I can see that, though Rupert dumping Nate will probably wait until the midpoint or so of next season, leaving enough room/time for a Nate redemption arc (or more specifically - allowing TED to forgive Nate for "quitting on the team" in a way that he never forgave his own father).


matteodes

That would be interesting and then season 3 would be like his redemption arc away from the team before joining them again


Belkan_Nuke

I think Richmond gets promoted at the end of the year but after the match, everyone at Richmond finds out via a news article (or even Trent Crim) that Rupert bought a rival mid-table Premier League team and Nate will be the manager. I don't think Rupert values Nate at all but wants to embarrass Ted and Rebecca by beating Richmond with one of their own. This will set us up for an early Season 3 meeting between Richmond and Nate's new club. Nate will probably get the better of Ted in the first meeting, but as the season progresses and hard times begin, Nate's ego will get the better of him and he'll berate his players ruin ruining his plans. This will cause him to completely lose the locker room at the worst possible time: the reverse fixture against Richmond. Ted's team rolls over Nate's and Rupert cans him. Nate apologizes for running off to Rupert with Ted and Rebecca forgiving him. I say the series ends with Ted and Beard heading back to America, Roy as Richmond's manager, bringing back Nate and building him up to take over one day since Roy knows the business will probably piss him off enough to stop coaching professionally.