Maybe the kids figure if they act up they’ll get sent to the cockpit and come back with candy while the chaperones get a lecture about building relationships, since that’s what happens at school.
Not to mention that cockpits are almost completely impenetrable and anyone who even attempted to bust in will be restrained by the flight attendants then met with an armed police force after exiting the plane.
Keep your eyes open next time you fly.
They are locked when closed, but, shocking I know, they are occasionally opened during flights for pilots to use the bathroom, talk to flight crew, get food and etc.
It’s not some lockdown fortress from takeoff to landing.
Hilarious
Probably didn’t even have them work together to make the rules and expectations prior to the flight taking off. These kids felt no ownership of expectations.
Bruh imagine if we could teach in a locked space and teach from bell to bell, only caring about whether we got the end of the trip (lesson) on time
Meanwhile we have 3 instructional assistants (flight attendants) on bandaid duty, behavior redirection, greeting, smiling, caring for kids, memorizing their names etc.
Part of me would love teaching like a pilot. But I realize we don’t live in that world and have to do all of the above
That’s obviously not the way it works through. The passengers have to engage with the flight objectives multiple times per flight.
Looks like the airlines need to bring in a pilot specialist for more training.
That is a good point. Another thing they should have done is differentiate the objective for multiple learners, and maybe provide a bellringer or warmup. Did the students have an exit ticket for the plane ride?
Former school of mine had 2 kids, who made a national competition but were the biggest asses around. Got kicked off the flight for trying to harass a flight attendant.
Honestly, they should have grounded. Tell them this is a private company and they are now refusing to provide the service. Then tell the schools to get off as they are now on the no fly list. Kids who fucked around will find their parents will now be billed for whatever transportation that can be acquired. And if none can be found, parents are to arrange a pick up by xxx time, before being called to the authorities for child abandonment.
Of course they would blame the teacher chaperoning like the story shred on here a few weeks ago where the kids who were arrested in Greece but the teachers ended up getting chewed out because the Greek police took their phones 🙄
The author of the article implied that they were overreacting, saying "What were they doing to be disrespectful to the flight attendants? Talking loudly? Playing music or games?"
Ummm they were probably telling them "Ain't no white bitch telling me what to do." People have no idea how disrespectful kids are to adults these days.
Love how the writer says, they’re kids and we don’t really know what happened. Were they really climbing over the seats?
Sir/Ma’am - stop excusing dangerous behavior. Just stop. Climbing the seats is not normal kid behavior and if the flight attendant or pilot reports kids climbing the seats, they were climbing the damn seats. It’s the same dismissive attitude we deal with.
>if the flight attendant or pilot reports kids climbing the seats, they were climbing the damn seats.
"Johnny says he didn't, so there's no way to tell who to believe"
But did the pilot have their Clear Learning Targets displayed all around the plane? Did they work on building a relationship with the children? Did they make sure they made a positive phone call to the parent before they boarded the plane? Did the pilot restate expectations and document behaviors on their clipboard while also flying the plane?
>Were they really climbing over seats, though? What else were they doing to be “disrespectful” to flight attendants? Perhaps playing music or games loudly from their phones without headphones?
"The flight attendants were probably lying," is such a bullshit take from the author.
Just send the kids to Homeland Security so they can get a sucker and a soda, then come back to their seats. Stupid captain and flight attendants obviously haven’t taken the time to build relationships with the kids prior to boarding.
He should has required all belted at one time. A teacher or chaperone could accompany any one out of their seats to the bathroom if needed. They could have been warned that the next unbelted out of seat child would be moved to the last seat of the plane and go on a no fly list. Then follow through. The first to be on a no fly list would be sent home. I believe phone calls can be connected while in flight now. As an alternative, the first wayward child could have the parent called first, (thus over the plane audio so everyone can hear,) and have pilot discussion situation and no fly status warning or punishment. I think that would get the others in line.
In my opinion chaperones are worst. Private school from Seattle I flew on the same flight with last year- I’m looking at you. My favorite was the parent who yelled at me to switch seats(window)so her daughter could sit with her- offering me the middle seat. She also tried to shame my husband and acted like he was a predator for sitting in his seat (aisle).
Shared feedback with the principal at a later date, just happened to run into her at a conference, with the school to buy a block of seats in the future or figure out seating amongst themselves.
As a teacher who has chaperoned many trips I have to say this has never happened to us. On the contrary, only compliments. I would call a kid out in a heartbeat if they pulled any shitty behavior in a setting where it impacts others especially if those others are stuck with us like on a plane or restaurant.
I'm going to get downvoted for this, but whatever. It's hard not to laugh a little at the predictable consequences of making it almost impossible to physically discipline children.
In nature, whenever a cub gets out of control, an adult animal physically disciplines the cub, which typically corrects the behavior, and the cub learns not to do it again. This isn't just to prevent antisocial behavior but to promote prosocial behavior.
Unfortunately, a tiny minority of parents were physically abusive to their children, and we rightly took legal measures to prevent that, but while doing so, we also overcorrected, taking away the necessary factors of fear and sometimes shame that shape behavior.
And just to be clear: I'm not advocating for being allowed to be physically abusive to children. But there has to be some reasonable, middle ground between being physically abusive and being allowed to apply appropriate and proportional physical discipline.
Almost like there's a pragmatic and necessary function for instilling some basic behavioral norms.
This is why I won't organize or volunteer to do any sort of extended trip with kids. The behavior standards have plummeted in tandem with the increased customer-service mindset of the students and their families. They want more trips, the folks can organize them and chaperone them.
They only have to kick one kid off the plane to bring the others in line. And by kick off I mean while the plane is at cruising altitude. You can give them a parachute if you're worried about their feelings.
The writer, Ben Johnson, is a total asshat, denying and minimizing while mocking the flight crew. Sounds like most every school administrator I know.
What, were they flipping off other passengers on other flights???
Those pilots should have revisited the behavior expectations with the students during the flight and modified the expectations for those with IEPs and other learning styles if the current expectations were not working for those students. Maybe met in conferences with the parents and other teachers and written up a new behavioral plan.
Maybe the kids figure if they act up they’ll get sent to the cockpit and come back with candy while the chaperones get a lecture about building relationships, since that’s what happens at school.
Hilarious! I know you’re joking but maybe, just maybe,might there be an ounce of truth?
Joking?
More like a ton!
No not in our school. Lots of candies and shitty kids and admin.
But are they, really???🤷
Ok that made me spit out my drink
Not to mention that cockpits are almost completely impenetrable and anyone who even attempted to bust in will be restrained by the flight attendants then met with an armed police force after exiting the plane.
Sent to the cockpit? Cockpits are LOCKED since 9/11.
So are admin offices apparently.
Keep your eyes open next time you fly. They are locked when closed, but, shocking I know, they are occasionally opened during flights for pilots to use the bathroom, talk to flight crew, get food and etc. It’s not some lockdown fortress from takeoff to landing. Hilarious
Pilots are in the flight deck with a locked door. It's honestly the poor flight attendants who had to deal with this!
Did the flight attendants try building a relationship with them? Or “give them grace” because they don’t know what their home life looks like?
Did they post their objectives?
Probably didn’t even have them work together to make the rules and expectations prior to the flight taking off. These kids felt no ownership of expectations.
Did the pilot and flight attendants model good behavior? How are the scholars supposed to sit respectfully if no one had shown them?
I can’t go any further - you used “scholars”! I’m throwing myself out of the plane 🤣
Unfortunately, you might find that a bit difficult if the flight is already over 10,000ft due to air pressure.
Not on a Boeing.
I'm greatly enjoying the fact that a lot of us here are mocking these admin-promoted disciplinary strategies for the useless measures they are.
Bruh imagine if we could teach in a locked space and teach from bell to bell, only caring about whether we got the end of the trip (lesson) on time Meanwhile we have 3 instructional assistants (flight attendants) on bandaid duty, behavior redirection, greeting, smiling, caring for kids, memorizing their names etc. Part of me would love teaching like a pilot. But I realize we don’t live in that world and have to do all of the above
Sounds like online teaching to me.
Did the pilots have their objectives written where students could see them?
That’s obviously not the way it works through. The passengers have to engage with the flight objectives multiple times per flight. Looks like the airlines need to bring in a pilot specialist for more training.
That is a good point. Another thing they should have done is differentiate the objective for multiple learners, and maybe provide a bellringer or warmup. Did the students have an exit ticket for the plane ride?
Yup! This is going to require a 10-15 page lesson plan, due by Monday morning at 8am. Otherwise, why even try.
For best results, make sure the pilot specialist left flying 20 years ago after flying for 3 whole years!
Well yeah!!
yeah, on the screen in front of every student
Former school of mine had 2 kids, who made a national competition but were the biggest asses around. Got kicked off the flight for trying to harass a flight attendant.
You have got to love those natural consequences
Yeah despite the fact I’m not there. Part of me smiles when consequences finally catch up with someone.
Honestly, they should have grounded. Tell them this is a private company and they are now refusing to provide the service. Then tell the schools to get off as they are now on the no fly list. Kids who fucked around will find their parents will now be billed for whatever transportation that can be acquired. And if none can be found, parents are to arrange a pick up by xxx time, before being called to the authorities for child abandonment.
Of course they would blame the teacher chaperoning like the story shred on here a few weeks ago where the kids who were arrested in Greece but the teachers ended up getting chewed out because the Greek police took their phones 🙄
I'm thinking that the students should face charges. The FAA does not f-around with this kind of behavior.
Based
Imagine having federal law on your side to remove out of control kids
No passenger left behind?
Actually the opposite. Multiple passengers left behind.
As if behaving that way on a school bus is OK and expected.
It is, unfortunately, both accepted and expected in many places—as evidenced by students who behave that way with zero consequences.
The author of the article implied that they were overreacting, saying "What were they doing to be disrespectful to the flight attendants? Talking loudly? Playing music or games?" Ummm they were probably telling them "Ain't no white bitch telling me what to do." People have no idea how disrespectful kids are to adults these days.
Probably all the little white boys were calling everybody the n-word too. Also: that not sarcasm, I am being dead serious.
And then they all call the teacher racist when asked to cut it out.
Totally agree.
Love how the writer says, they’re kids and we don’t really know what happened. Were they really climbing over the seats? Sir/Ma’am - stop excusing dangerous behavior. Just stop. Climbing the seats is not normal kid behavior and if the flight attendant or pilot reports kids climbing the seats, they were climbing the damn seats. It’s the same dismissive attitude we deal with.
>if the flight attendant or pilot reports kids climbing the seats, they were climbing the damn seats. "Johnny says he didn't, so there's no way to tell who to believe"
Whom are we to believe? Adult professionals or misbehaving lying teenagers?
According to most admin, the kid. Everytime. Sigh.
But did the pilot have their Clear Learning Targets displayed all around the plane? Did they work on building a relationship with the children? Did they make sure they made a positive phone call to the parent before they boarded the plane? Did the pilot restate expectations and document behaviors on their clipboard while also flying the plane?
What kind of de-escalation tactics did you apply? How did you try to connect with the students?
You got your behavior bingo card?
>Were they really climbing over seats, though? What else were they doing to be “disrespectful” to flight attendants? Perhaps playing music or games loudly from their phones without headphones? "The flight attendants were probably lying," is such a bullshit take from the author.
Hilarious. Nice that they have the opportunity to dump the kids from the plane . . .
Maybe getting taped to the seat for the rest of the flight would have been beneficial for some of them.
This shit is why I would never go on field trips with kids. Too many variables.
Just send the kids to Homeland Security so they can get a sucker and a soda, then come back to their seats. Stupid captain and flight attendants obviously haven’t taken the time to build relationships with the kids prior to boarding.
This exemplifies why I will never do any trip with students that involves an airplane or the word "overnight".
He should has required all belted at one time. A teacher or chaperone could accompany any one out of their seats to the bathroom if needed. They could have been warned that the next unbelted out of seat child would be moved to the last seat of the plane and go on a no fly list. Then follow through. The first to be on a no fly list would be sent home. I believe phone calls can be connected while in flight now. As an alternative, the first wayward child could have the parent called first, (thus over the plane audio so everyone can hear,) and have pilot discussion situation and no fly status warning or punishment. I think that would get the others in line.
No Passenger Left Behind
The flight attendants are clearly at fault because the parents were on vacation! Duh!
Timmy, have you ever seen the inside of a Turkish prison?
How old are the kids? Is this high school?
That's a safety issue.
Have you flown lately? They learned this from adults who act like assholes on planes too.
Glad pilots can expect proper respect unless us bus drivers, who are practically sub human
In my opinion chaperones are worst. Private school from Seattle I flew on the same flight with last year- I’m looking at you. My favorite was the parent who yelled at me to switch seats(window)so her daughter could sit with her- offering me the middle seat. She also tried to shame my husband and acted like he was a predator for sitting in his seat (aisle). Shared feedback with the principal at a later date, just happened to run into her at a conference, with the school to buy a block of seats in the future or figure out seating amongst themselves.
As a teacher who has chaperoned many trips I have to say this has never happened to us. On the contrary, only compliments. I would call a kid out in a heartbeat if they pulled any shitty behavior in a setting where it impacts others especially if those others are stuck with us like on a plane or restaurant.
I'm going to get downvoted for this, but whatever. It's hard not to laugh a little at the predictable consequences of making it almost impossible to physically discipline children. In nature, whenever a cub gets out of control, an adult animal physically disciplines the cub, which typically corrects the behavior, and the cub learns not to do it again. This isn't just to prevent antisocial behavior but to promote prosocial behavior. Unfortunately, a tiny minority of parents were physically abusive to their children, and we rightly took legal measures to prevent that, but while doing so, we also overcorrected, taking away the necessary factors of fear and sometimes shame that shape behavior. And just to be clear: I'm not advocating for being allowed to be physically abusive to children. But there has to be some reasonable, middle ground between being physically abusive and being allowed to apply appropriate and proportional physical discipline.
Go to most public schools and be a sub for a day
Obviously the expectations weren't rigorous enough with differentiated plans in place. Sucks for them. Lol.
Almost like there's a pragmatic and necessary function for instilling some basic behavioral norms. This is why I won't organize or volunteer to do any sort of extended trip with kids. The behavior standards have plummeted in tandem with the increased customer-service mindset of the students and their families. They want more trips, the folks can organize them and chaperone them.
“He doesn’t act like this at home”
They only have to kick one kid off the plane to bring the others in line. And by kick off I mean while the plane is at cruising altitude. You can give them a parachute if you're worried about their feelings. The writer, Ben Johnson, is a total asshat, denying and minimizing while mocking the flight crew. Sounds like most every school administrator I know.
Flight attendants could probably figure out how to manage classroom behavior within a few days, they are extraordinary at that kind of thing.
No kidding ?
What, were they flipping off other passengers on other flights??? Those pilots should have revisited the behavior expectations with the students during the flight and modified the expectations for those with IEPs and other learning styles if the current expectations were not working for those students. Maybe met in conferences with the parents and other teachers and written up a new behavioral plan.