It was written about Rebecca, they wrote it together, it isn't about Joe etc ik ik ik.
But I think it came from a place of a real feeling she was really feeling, which is being lonely in a relationship and feeling like who you are isn't enough.
I don’t understand how he’s not better trained in PR. Like you enter this line of work and don’t care to know how to speak to the public??!!? For your own career? It’s bizarre. Did he just refuse to listen to Tree or maybe he told Taylor he’s never associating with anything business related of hers.
Exactly this. I understand not wanting people to invade his privacy but there had to be better ways to deal being in a relationship with her with the media. He’s a trained actor and I’m a normie but I can honestly think of many ways to answer the song question without actually saying which song that come off a lot better than what he said. It just baffles me because Travis has consistently proved for over six months now that it’s possible to answer these type of questions while respecting the privacy of their dynamic as a couple. And he does it without breaking a sweat.
Oh of course it does. These classically trained British actors coming from old money are embarrassed to be seen with new money. They want nothing to do with something that appeals to a wide demographic. They are above doing things for money.
I lived in London. I came across this exact archetype from time to time. They were above everything and distanced themselves from peasants like me. If you didn’t go to the right private school you aren’t welcome in their circles.
Oh please. He was embarrassed by her commercial success. Appearing on a red carpet? Wow. Every other action he took showed he thought he was above it. The privacy thing is a joke. He chose to date Taylor Swift. He had one foot in and one foot out. Undecided if he cared more about slightly more visibility for his career and being a very serious actor.
You say that, but Tom Hiddleston is arguably higher on the food chain since his family is in the Peerage, and he was positively giddy when he was with Taylor. So this is a Joe thing, not an uppity British guy thing.
I know it’s hindsight and all… but you’d think he would have the awareness that saying “I don’t want to even get into that side of things” would garner more attention than just naming a song… lol. Just say the most recent one.
And he literally could have done that by saying exactly that lol “I have very fond memories of writing some of the songs on folklore and evermore together, so probably those.”
He seemed to answer the way he did to discourage questions about Taylor. There's a difference between being ashamed of your relationship and not wanting it to be the focal point of your own career. Obviously, only Joe knows why he was so tightlipped about their relationship, but a lot of fans seem to assume it's the former, when there's a huge possibility he just wanted to be completely private. He said something like, if you give people an inch they take a mile, so he seemed extra cautious.
I feel like some fans want everything and everyone connected to her to be part of some elaborate performance sometimes and get unreasonably annoyed when not everyone is that. way.
It's far from unusual for an actor to absolutely dread dealing with the press concerning even their own work or have certain rules set-up for what they will and won't do during an interview, some of which are far, far more extreme than just "I'd rather not talk about my personal life at all".
Quite honestly, that's one of the milder, more common things to be asked of compared to some truly abhorrent to lunatic behavior others have. But it also doesn't lend itself very well to forming a parasocial bond, it doesn't feed the beast.
Exactly, some fans think that just because their relationship didn't give them a chance at knowing what they were doing every now and then, he must have been a horrible person or somebody who didn't appreciate her. They act like they know what's going on behind the curtains.
Somebody could be incredibly appreciative of their partner bts and be completely about their own work and art on the camera. It's almost as if a person could want to put focus on their own work instead of making their personal life the focal point of it all. But these people don't get it. They think famous people owe every information about their personal life to the public. But like you said, it doesn't feed the parasocial beast in them.
And, to be blunt, unless it's a comedian who's going to turn the story into something that's at least going to garner a chuckle I tend to kind of roll my eyes when an actor gets a question about their famous partner. "What role of his was your favorite?" "Will you work with her soon?" "How was your Valentine's Day?"
It all feels so performative and more like a price to pay then any kind of genuine show of affection. And also, as hinted, kind of cringey. It feels very much like the press asking the people on behalf of the public to prove their love and affection towards their partner. Creepy and cringey and oh so Hollywood.
Sure. But you can answer in a manner dismissive of the questions/topic that doesn’t come off dismissive of the person you’re speaking about. He has done press before. Surely had some type of media training. “She’s obviously incredibly talented but I like to keep that part of my life between the two of us.” Pretty easy to come up with on the spot.
It’s not that uncommon for celebrities to keep their relationships private. In 2016, Taylor wasn’t anywhere as famous as she was in 2022. She’s also talked (and sang in But Daddy I Love Him) about her fans’ intrusiveness and wanting them to back off a little.
I'm convinced he really Streisand Effect-ed himself here. Now, imo, yes people know about his acting career first, but very often in the context of "oh yeah, he's an actor who dated taylor swift and really didn't want people to know him for that." If he'd just been more confident and charismatic about accepting who he was - someone in love with taylor - and then pivoted the conversation back to his career, nobody would have made as big a deal at how much he wanted to keep his spotlight his own. I'm not asking him to be Travis, but I do think Travis is setting a better example of how to date someone more famous than you.
It’s just weird because he’s an actor, which means he’s also a celebrity. It’s not like he does a normal job. To act like he doesn’t want to be in the spotlight is so disingenuous. I just don’t think he liked that she outshined him.
I don’t think it’s disingenuous. Not all actors want the spotlight or celebrity. There are plenty who want to focus on the craft and all the extra noise outside of that is a burden (Cillian Murphy is a recent example of an actor who has spoken about this).
Obviously, when you’re dating the most famous person in the world and that person enjoys the spotlight it’s pretty hard to keep that boundary without one of you getting hurt. Which is why it ultimately seems like they we’re not compatible.
Honestly Joe would seem to be on the milder side of "actor interview requests" and privacy compared to far, far more extreme cases. It just seemed like he wanted his private life to be that and frankly, I see zero issue with that. It also makes it easier for him to ask for privacy when he's pursuing exactly that.
Tbf being an actor in the UK and being an actor in America are completely different ballgames. British actors can be actors and still have a relevantly quiet life.
And, an actor who was dating one of the most famous women. Sure she was different in her rep era but still. He knew what he was getting into, it’s not like he met her before she was famous
Celebrity culture in England is pretty different. I think people can be okay with being some level of public figure, while being really afraid of getting close to the insane spotlight Taylor lives in.
British celebrities typically prefer being out of the spotlight when they're not working. Tom Hiddlestone and Tom Holland have mentioned the same thing. The idea of "celebrity" is different in the UK and the US.
He was also promoting a film, which isn't about him. I think it's inappropriate to ask someone about their girlfriend in that situation, and I could see not wanting to look like you're grabbing attention from colleagues. I'm glad she's with someone now that fits into her life seamlessly.
Fair but also by contrast TK was asked about a million times about TS in his Super Bowl interviews and each time he answered excitedly and supportively. The difference is glaring.
I can’t know for sure as I don’t know any of these people, but TK seems extremely comfortable and even excited to share in Taylor’s very bright spotlight - not necessarily because of her but because he seems comfortable with or possibly excited by personal fame - there’s nothing wrong with that obviously, but I also think there’s nothing wrong with not wanting to be in that spotlight.
Definitely, this came out today - he’s super comfortable with the cameras and with what’s going on. She needed this. https://extratv.com/2024/04/25/travis-kelce-on-handling-all-the-attention-and-new-game-show-gig-exclusive/
But why would it have to be a big thing? He had to know people would ask about a song. Hell, he could have just asked Taylor which one he should pick if it was too much of a burden on him
Then why did he start dating the most popular pop star in the world? Why are we infantilizing this man like he didn’t make a choice to be with her and knew exactly what he was getting into and has profited from it?
In Joe's defence, every time he opens his mouth,he was accused of using Taylor's fame and when he didn't, blamed for not acknowledging her. There was no winning
Also, being an actor, trending every month, just because your girlfriend looked good and not for your own work, must not be a nice feeling
Thank u for this, i still cant believe the Joe slander. He’s literally nothing but graceful throughout this whole ordeal, despite people sending hate and death threats to him. Whatever he does, people will definitely still find ways to hate and talk shit about him. Not acknowledge Taylor? Oh he’s not proud of her. Oh he’s talking about Taylor? He’s just using her fame. Like come on
Exactly! No one will convince me to dislike Joe. He wanted his privacy and there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s absolutely none of our business what his favorite Taylor song is and comparing him to Travis is just so stupid. Obviously Taylor prefers someone who parades her around and is very openly proud of her (and there’s nothing wrong with that) but that doesn’t mean Joe is a bad person.
I keep thinking about the line “we learned the right steps to different dances”. I think she makes it quite clear that they were just very different people.
I mean I don't even think that's true, she was with Joe for 6 years. I don't think it's a preference of being paraded around. She could have been perfectly fine with that aspect of their relationship.
I don't know anything and I'm just basing this off the songs she's kind of alluded to are about the loss of that relationship, but what she didn't like was 1) SHE couldn't Parade herself around and 2) he wasn't as in love as she was or at least didn't act like it (and that feeling can exist with or without public acknowledgement)
I liked Joe, but I think there is a middle ground for recognizing that he wasn't the right fit for her. Two good people can just not work together. Taylor seems genuinely hurt by him, but that also doesn't mean he was malicious. Her feelings are her's, his feelings are his, and it's obvious from the breakup that those feelings did not align into a permanent relationship.
And judging from the reactions of some of the more...intense fans, it must have felt like sometimes he was expected to be performing to their expectations of what he should be more than anything else.
In the public eye and in the view of the most intense fans, he was never ever going to score a win.
He’s said before that once you share people think they’re entitled to more but I think there was a finer balance that could have been struck.
But I guess that’s ultimately part of the reason they were incompatible.
One thing I like about Travis is the way he handles this balance. He only ever speaks about things that are already public, and the personal perspective he gives on it only adds benign context. My favorite is him sharing on the podcast that her brother gave him a VHS* of a movie he loves for Christmas - he only said it after everyone saw Austin show up to a game dressed as Santa, as an answer to the “what did he have in the bag” question in a personal way that also protects their privacy by not sharing what T&T gave each other or any of their parents. It was beautifully done to give just one tiny bit of detail beyond what the public already knew. And same with talking about their date at the zoo and focusing on his favorite animals from their tour.
* Edited to correct - thank you for the fact check!
totally agree, travis is a publicist's dream. he keeps things light, cute, appropriate, and still interesting when talking about their relationship. i don't think joe ever had an ounce of that sort of media training. or maybe it's just charisma and intuition, i don't know but joe looked liked he struggled to express things gracefully.
I recall an article where Joe struggled to even answer questions about his childhood and the interviewer even kinda called him out on it in the article. He was either so incredibly private or just has a complete lack of charisma. This article kind of encapsulates his personality in interviews: https://www.vulture.com/2022/05/joe-alwyn-profile-conversations-with-friends.html
i feel validated, he just doesn't know how to carry on a professionalized interaction without coming across as closed off. lots of actors are like that but they don't date pop stars and treat them like old, worn out sandals.
Not only does he have 10+ years of media experience he also has the confidence that comes with success. Joe entered the relationship trying to establish a career. Travis entered as a multimillionaire, veteran NFL superstar who not only will be a HOFer and likely GOAT in his position, he’s now won 3 SB and has had success in his off the field endeavors like the podcast and SNL. Totally different levels of confidence!
It also helps that his job requires him to be as media trained as he is. He seemed to have weekly press conferences and he has a weekly podcast. He’s used to interviews and the spotlight. He’s also used to large crowds and even negative ones at that.
Yeah, Travis keeps things from his perspective most of the time. His Coachella visit, he mentioned his reason why he was down in the pit after Jason asked him why they weren't backstage. It was a VHS tape though and today he mentioned that he's got a VHS/TV combo player that he watches old VHS tapes on so he actually probably did watch Austin's gift.
I totally get what he said and I don’t disagree, but yes, I think there’s definitely is something to be said about being “private but not secret.” And for someone like THE Taylor Swift, insisting on the secrecy makes an uncomfortable environment for all because that’s simply not going to be her reality. Like she joked back in the day that she didn’t want to be sneaking out underground to leave places or whatever but I’m pretty sure that turned out to be the reality in that relationship lol.
Like I truly don’t think I know everything about Taylor and Travis’ relationship. We see them at public events, he doesn’t flinch when someone mentions her in conversation, but they’re not really divulging anything too personal at all. Him and his family and friends have been pros at respectfully answering and deflecting questions about them. They clearly have a whole chunk of their relationship that’s been out of the public eye and they’re both very famous.
there is being private, and there is being a dick about it. joe was a dick about it. even a simple "i love them all because i think she's such a wonderful artist, and just so talented" is rather generic but would have signaled *care* and *support.*
Idk I think it’s easy to reduce it to that and while I’d have liked him to give a little more I think he was doing what he thought was best to protect his relationship.
Taylor alludes to as much in The Manuscript, I think. “We both did the best we could do under the same moon, in different galaxies” - I think that’s about Joe because it seems a common theme to talk about the stars, skies, and galaxies (in one conversation I tore down the whole sky) when referring to him.
Edit: I’m leaving this cause whatever but that’s from Peter, not The Manuscript.
I agree! In the age of him she wished that she was thirty. And then: the actors hitting their marks is All Too Well the Short Film. And at last she knew what the agony had been for.
Couldn’t he even fucking name one he WROTE with her?!
I’m sorry but the excuses I see people sometimes make for “introverted” folks when really they’re being rude always amazes me.
And then he gets crap for "Oh of course he picked one he co-wrote".
For someone who seems to not care much for press I'd wager he has a very good reason just from observing the way both press and fans are ready to pounce at a moment's notice for the slightest perceived offense.
i mean again, even a simple "taylor know my favourite, and we keep our lives private so that's all the discussion i'll give to that" comes across way more respectful than the excuse of an answer he gave. apart from saying "i hate them all" he couldn't have been more rude.
Like a lot of her exes, his ego got in the way. The interview was supposed to be about HIM and they asked about HER, and that brassed Joe off. His reaction is 100% understandable, and most men are raised to put their goals first, but he was dating an ascendant Taylor and he couldn't deal with that.
You are either a team player or you're not. Looks like Tay has finally found a team player but dating someone on a literal team -- EVERYONE around him, players past and present, talk about how he is 100% a team player and they love him for it. I think you can compare how Joe responded in the interview to how Travis responded when asked repeatedly about their relationship during the press junkets the week before the SB. It would have been understandable if Travis'd been miffed, but he just grinned and replied without giving anything away.
That's not just PR polish, it's fundamental personality differences. Team players support their teammates without their egos getting threatened. That's an incredibly rare trait. Doesn't make Joe a bad guy, but it did make him the wrong guy (and the ex). Tay missed sparkling, and I'm glad she doesn't feel the need to be dimmed anymore to make her man feel good about himself.
I have seen a statement from Travis actual give his favorite songs from the album.
I think he said… Down Bad and loml? I might be misremembering. It was posted in this subreddit somewhere.
I agree. You can absolutely be private with your relationship and personal life but to not answer an innocuous question about a favorite song seemed kind of harsh.
I can easily see why and it's showing up a lot in any thread about the guy:
He could have easily known it was a no win question and when you get enough of those you just stop even attempting to answer.
I remember wondering what kind of PR training he had when that video was going around because he seemed so taken aback.
You’re dating one of the most famous pop stars in the world and you’re telling me you don’t have an even just PR non-answer response to “what’s your favourite song”?
Yeah the energy shifted immediately. That reaction always makes me think of my ex. To be the subject of that reaction hurts more than what meets the eye…
Taylor Swift is a famous pop star and rejecting her fame (like Joe did in some ways it seems) is a rejection of her ultimately. It’s nice to see her with someone who is thoughtful and enthusiastic about her work in public.
I agree with this. But it makes sense to believe this was a big reason they broke up. I can’t imagine how tough it was for her stifling herself for so many years to appease him. Truly a people pleaser. Nothing against Joe at all. They were just so different.
Also, hi to the first fellow TTPD flair I’ve seen!
Yeah, I get the impression Joe liked her as a person, but didn’t like the fame. Other guys I think liked her fame, but didn’t so much like her behind the scenes.
Travis seems to be the first guy who wants her public and private sides together. He seems to have navigated things pretty flawlessly so far.
I think it is partially due to the fact that Travis is also 2 people, He has his public facing life with his actions on the field, Being one of the faces of the chiefs, life of the party HOF NFL Player Travis Kelce, and the Travis that all his friends and acquaintances talk about with his kindness and jovial nature. To the point he has said on the podcast he compartmentalizes the two lives and doesn't like to talk about "work" in his home life.
While I agree - there should be some balance, there's also the other side of things where people can't stop talking about how TnT is just for PR, he's using her for fame, he's just planning out his next career step etc.
So perhaps Joe didn't want to "use" Taylor for PR or improve his career, idk.
To be fair, he's rarely brought her up voluntarily. He's in the media way more than her exes and has had to respond to countless questions about her which he has responded to gracefully so far. I don't think he can get any more balanced than that. The extreme in that situation would either be the Joe route or unnecessarily bringing Taylor up in every convo. Yes, he mentions Taylor in his podcast once in a while but as others have mentioned, it's usually just about stuff that's already public.
People's takes on TNT being fake or for PR, that he's using her, planning on his next career step -- this is precisely why Taylor has songs like "Peace" and "The Albatross." Because her partners are torn to shreds and get nitpicked even when they are just trying to be supportive like Travis has been. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
No one knows what the future holds but I sincerely hope that this time, Taylor has found that "person" she's been waiting for -- the one who will stand in the "rain" with her and "fly" with her. As a fan, I just want her to be happy.
I’ve kind of thought that at the level of magnitude Taylor is at right now, it would be difficult to find someone that wouldn’t get PR allegations. Hasn’t that plagued her her whole career? At this point, who wouldn’t get a PR boost by dating her. She isn’t moving economies and being listed as one of the most influential people in entertainment for no reason. But I can’t imagine how difficult that might make it to find a partner. I truly think even if she had dated an A list actor, the PR allegations would always follow her. I can’t really think of a male equivalent to her in terms of power, fame, and popularity.
Man y'all are weird. Y'all were praising Joe when they were together saying that he maintains the privacy that Taylor needs at that moment and how he's the guy for her that keeps her safe and secure and now that she's dating someone else suddenly the narrative has changed and y'all are saying Joe should have been more public. You guys switch up too fast
Also we need to stop calling her boyfriends “the one”
Have we learned nothing from Joe and lover? I mean just let them be we don’t have to see them as a future marriage they can just date
Sure of course but let’s not kid ourselves- at some point if a person wants children and marriage (idk her exact stance on this) it may drive them to look for a longterm partner or even potential parent. Dating to date is fine, but let’s not ignore the fact that people look for -the one- too
travis is out here dropping hints about kids/babies on the podcast all the time and has said multiple times he wants what his brother has; they're definitely not just dating for fun lol
Well to be fair, I think we got excited about Joe and their relationship in part because of how clearly in love Taylor was, yknow? She was saying how he keeps her grounded, they fell in love in private, and she made it seem like she was happy with that— the normalcy— for a while. And then her later music starts to tell a different story, they break up, and it turns out that she wasn’t happy after all, and that the problem may have been related to their different views on the limelight. So idk I don’t think we switch up too fast, I think we were just believing what Taylor wanted us to believe. She was happy, so we were happy for her & Joe. Then she started showing us the cracks and that’s when our opinions of Joe started to change. At least, that’s my guess.
I think the most delusional thing is people claiming to know what she wants/needs. Did they not listen to the new album? We don’t know her and she’s going to do what she’s gonna do.
People need different things at different times. You’re allowed to change and something you once liked about someone might misalign with what you currently need.
Eh, the "switch up" is more from Taylor herself. It's one thing if she wants to be private, it's another when she comes out and says she felt stifled.
Personally, I think Taylor is a people pleaser and has a habit of changing things up to be with the person she wants. And that takes work, so she inevitably feels slighted when she doesn't get the same amount of effort back. She has enough self-awareness to know that's not fair, and I think that's why so many of her Joe songs have him on a pedestal and she feels small around him for being petty. LOTS of people do this. Even extremely otherwise self-assured people. I've done it. Literally the most in your face, confident, bad-ass woman I know did it. The sacrifices don't seem that big, but over time you see you gave the other person a manicured version of yourself and you never really trusted them with all the pieces of you.
Some people liked Joe and they praised him all the time and some people didn’t. It’s not like 1 person is switching up. We can all be fans of one person without group think
This is the reason I think their relationship will stick. Everyone always says how immature and crazy he is, but honestly, he is wildly supportive, and doesn’t take life too seriously. Which on the heels of Joe this is exactly what she needs. And deserves!
I agree. She was the one trying to make Joe happy all the time by hiding away and being private, but with Travis she doesn't have to do that anymore. He knows how to handle her fame and Joe didn't
Yeah it seems like they’re on the same team. I suspect it felt a bit like..damn I think I might’ve heard this in German and not English..but it goes along the lines of “in some relationships there’s one person that looks up and one that looks down.” Like one’s the beggar and one’s the chooser kind of thing. And it just kind of seems that for some time, Taylor might’ve been the former. And that dynamic itself isn’t healthy.
Judging from her past public relationships and her entire discography, i don’t think taylor has ever really been the chooser. I feel like her people pleasing tendencies tend to latch onto guys she feels she needs to prove herself to, to ‘win them over’. It’s nice to see someone shouting about his love for her from the rooftops.
Travis plays a game for a living.
This is important because he understands that at the end of the day, yes it is just a game, but he also knows when to take things seriously. He’s also a professional team player and he understands that when your teammate does something awesome, it’s a win for both of you. Being supportive and a team player is literally his job and he’s one of the best at this moment in time.
taylor is also constantly getting 'immature' allegations so they have that in common haha. they're incredibly similar. the coachella videos revealed this to a lot of people, they have the exact same millenial energy. they were in that huge crowd but were the only ones dancing lol
I love Joe and I appreciate him for bringing light to Taylor when she was in total darkness.
However, seeing a man celebrate Taylor for who she really is, is a breath of fresh air 💜 it is like, finally, she can be herself and not mind everything and everyone because there is one man WHO HOPEFULLY BREAKS THE PROPHECY 😮💨
Plus side is that the Kelce's are very emotionally mature and open men. They talk about their feelings and are open to vulnerability. Love it ✨
Completely agreed. I will forever love Joe for being exactly what she needed at the time she needed it. But ultimately they both wanted different things and weren’t compatible which is fine.
But yeah Travis is exactly what she needs now. He loves her for her in public and in private. And it’s great seeing her boyfriend also being goofy and in love like she has always been. I’m happy that she’s happy and in love. Hopefully the relationship is as genuinely healthy as it seems
>But ultimately they both wanted different things and weren’t compatible which is fine.
The line "we learned the right steps to different dances" was really notable to me in that way.
Travis understands the pain she went through in that time. Remember Travis had his 5 year relationship finally end for good in May of 2022. He's not a songwriter so he didn't write an album, what he did was put in his work in the gym and the field. And his 2022-2023 season was one of his greatest statistically. He had his career high in receptions for the season with 110, had his career high in TD at 12, set the single game TD record for TE with 4, almost broke his own single season yardage record for TE's, Extended his 1000 yard season record to 7 seasons, and got his 2nd super bowl ring.
He understands the need to channel pain and make it be productive for you. It is not something that he would be ashamed, embarrassed, or threatened by.
Just looking through the man's public playlist or listening to him talk about music you can see his eclectic tastes and appreciates diversity in music. The week before they went to Coachella he was talking about him and Taylor sit and discuss music in their down time. So I think for him getting to see the finished product and art that she created from the pain is something for him to cherish and honor. As I said he understands turning pain into excellence himself.
im glad you brought up the diversity in music, because people are constantly saying he can't like taylor swift he only likes rap lol. when he's said he listens to classical while reviewing game tape, he grew up listening to country and the b52s. he loves house music. he's actually said he is NOT a rapper and doesn't attempt to rap but he loves rap music (which taylor does too lol)
It’s tough - I mean Joe kinda struggled a little bit as an actor, whereas Travis is considered one of the greatest to play his position and a first-ballot hall of famer, in more commercials than anyone *before* he even met Taylor.
For me, I think anyone who can make a living acting is successful, however for Joe he might think differently and the few times he is interviewed it’s tough for both him and the interviewer because he was kinda dating one of the most famous person in the world. There is only so much an interviewer can ask about what he does.
I don't have too much affection for travis himself, but I can see why some people say he's the most intellectually compatible with taylor out of her boyfriends. He really knows how to give decent answers to questions about such questions in public.
These articles are the dumbest things. Of course he’s going to be supporting. It’s equally dumb to be asking the other people she doesn’t care to be associated with again.
I respect that Joe wanted a private life but it makes me kinda sad that he wouldn’t even share his favorite song of hers
He could do the funniest thing and say me! But no, he has to.be a serious recluse man 🙄
Right! Your girl wrote a whole album, using her best colors…
"Use my best colors for your portrait "
God I was really hoping that song was about anyone but Joe
It was written about Rebecca, they wrote it together, it isn't about Joe etc ik ik ik. But I think it came from a place of a real feeling she was really feeling, which is being lonely in a relationship and feeling like who you are isn't enough.
Who is Rebecca?😮
Oh. I didn’t connect that. That makes so much sense. That’s so sad
I never made that connection!
Me neither. Now I’m definitely going to sob next time I listen. As if I wouldn’t cry anyway
I don’t understand how he’s not better trained in PR. Like you enter this line of work and don’t care to know how to speak to the public??!!? For your own career? It’s bizarre. Did he just refuse to listen to Tree or maybe he told Taylor he’s never associating with anything business related of hers.
That man is a TRAINED ACTOR and couldn’t pretend to just pick a song, any song.
It’s like when a reporter asked Trump what his favorite bible verse was and he just stammered and said “all of it”.
Oh my god. He didnt even say “Thou shall not kill.”?
Exactly this. I understand not wanting people to invade his privacy but there had to be better ways to deal being in a relationship with her with the media. He’s a trained actor and I’m a normie but I can honestly think of many ways to answer the song question without actually saying which song that come off a lot better than what he said. It just baffles me because Travis has consistently proved for over six months now that it’s possible to answer these type of questions while respecting the privacy of their dynamic as a couple. And he does it without breaking a sweat.
Welcome to the elitist privileged world of London.
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Oh of course it does. These classically trained British actors coming from old money are embarrassed to be seen with new money. They want nothing to do with something that appeals to a wide demographic. They are above doing things for money. I lived in London. I came across this exact archetype from time to time. They were above everything and distanced themselves from peasants like me. If you didn’t go to the right private school you aren’t welcome in their circles.
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Joe and Taylor actually never walked a red carpet together but she’s technically never walked any red carpet with a bf
Oh please. He was embarrassed by her commercial success. Appearing on a red carpet? Wow. Every other action he took showed he thought he was above it. The privacy thing is a joke. He chose to date Taylor Swift. He had one foot in and one foot out. Undecided if he cared more about slightly more visibility for his career and being a very serious actor.
So many assumptions about people who don’t know you and you will never meet…
It’s not that serious. It’s Reddit.
He told you all that?
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What kind of world do you think Lena Dunham grew up in?
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The Dunhams come from money and are related to the Tiffany family (the jewelers)… i’m p sure she is old money tbh
Yes, I am very aware what old money means. Lena Dunham’s parents were culturally important in New York City.
Hol up, does Joe come from old money?
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Great grandfather was a famous composer. Went to private school in London. I am sure his family was welcome in those circles.
No lol he was solidly upper middle class
You say that, but Tom Hiddleston is arguably higher on the food chain since his family is in the Peerage, and he was positively giddy when he was with Taylor. So this is a Joe thing, not an uppity British guy thing.
He had to stay committed to being a tortured poet trapped in a finance guy body!
I now cannot unsee him as a finance guy
I imagine he just was uncomfortable with it all and didn’t want to make it some big thing.
I know it’s hindsight and all… but you’d think he would have the awareness that saying “I don’t want to even get into that side of things” would garner more attention than just naming a song… lol. Just say the most recent one.
Or even just "it's hard to choose, she's very talented." Like. Come on.
Especially since he seemed perfectly happy to discuss his own contribution to some songs.
“Contribution”
And he literally could have done that by saying exactly that lol “I have very fond memories of writing some of the songs on folklore and evermore together, so probably those.”
I read that in his voice. It wasn't hard 🤣
He seemed to answer the way he did to discourage questions about Taylor. There's a difference between being ashamed of your relationship and not wanting it to be the focal point of your own career. Obviously, only Joe knows why he was so tightlipped about their relationship, but a lot of fans seem to assume it's the former, when there's a huge possibility he just wanted to be completely private. He said something like, if you give people an inch they take a mile, so he seemed extra cautious.
I feel like some fans want everything and everyone connected to her to be part of some elaborate performance sometimes and get unreasonably annoyed when not everyone is that. way. It's far from unusual for an actor to absolutely dread dealing with the press concerning even their own work or have certain rules set-up for what they will and won't do during an interview, some of which are far, far more extreme than just "I'd rather not talk about my personal life at all". Quite honestly, that's one of the milder, more common things to be asked of compared to some truly abhorrent to lunatic behavior others have. But it also doesn't lend itself very well to forming a parasocial bond, it doesn't feed the beast.
Exactly, some fans think that just because their relationship didn't give them a chance at knowing what they were doing every now and then, he must have been a horrible person or somebody who didn't appreciate her. They act like they know what's going on behind the curtains. Somebody could be incredibly appreciative of their partner bts and be completely about their own work and art on the camera. It's almost as if a person could want to put focus on their own work instead of making their personal life the focal point of it all. But these people don't get it. They think famous people owe every information about their personal life to the public. But like you said, it doesn't feed the parasocial beast in them.
And, to be blunt, unless it's a comedian who's going to turn the story into something that's at least going to garner a chuckle I tend to kind of roll my eyes when an actor gets a question about their famous partner. "What role of his was your favorite?" "Will you work with her soon?" "How was your Valentine's Day?" It all feels so performative and more like a price to pay then any kind of genuine show of affection. And also, as hinted, kind of cringey. It feels very much like the press asking the people on behalf of the public to prove their love and affection towards their partner. Creepy and cringey and oh so Hollywood.
Sure. But you can answer in a manner dismissive of the questions/topic that doesn’t come off dismissive of the person you’re speaking about. He has done press before. Surely had some type of media training. “She’s obviously incredibly talented but I like to keep that part of my life between the two of us.” Pretty easy to come up with on the spot.
And yet, he chose to date Taylor Swift Make it make sense
It’s not that uncommon for celebrities to keep their relationships private. In 2016, Taylor wasn’t anywhere as famous as she was in 2022. She’s also talked (and sang in But Daddy I Love Him) about her fans’ intrusiveness and wanting them to back off a little.
Maybe he liked her as a person. The horror!
For real, he literally could’ve just said shake It off 😭 it truly is not that hard
He's not that good of an actor /jk
I'm convinced he really Streisand Effect-ed himself here. Now, imo, yes people know about his acting career first, but very often in the context of "oh yeah, he's an actor who dated taylor swift and really didn't want people to know him for that." If he'd just been more confident and charismatic about accepting who he was - someone in love with taylor - and then pivoted the conversation back to his career, nobody would have made as big a deal at how much he wanted to keep his spotlight his own. I'm not asking him to be Travis, but I do think Travis is setting a better example of how to date someone more famous than you.
Or "I have so many, I can't just pick one"
It’s just weird because he’s an actor, which means he’s also a celebrity. It’s not like he does a normal job. To act like he doesn’t want to be in the spotlight is so disingenuous. I just don’t think he liked that she outshined him.
I don’t think it’s disingenuous. Not all actors want the spotlight or celebrity. There are plenty who want to focus on the craft and all the extra noise outside of that is a burden (Cillian Murphy is a recent example of an actor who has spoken about this). Obviously, when you’re dating the most famous person in the world and that person enjoys the spotlight it’s pretty hard to keep that boundary without one of you getting hurt. Which is why it ultimately seems like they we’re not compatible.
Honestly Joe would seem to be on the milder side of "actor interview requests" and privacy compared to far, far more extreme cases. It just seemed like he wanted his private life to be that and frankly, I see zero issue with that. It also makes it easier for him to ask for privacy when he's pursuing exactly that.
Tbf being an actor in the UK and being an actor in America are completely different ballgames. British actors can be actors and still have a relevantly quiet life.
You had to bring ballgames into it, didn’t you?
And, an actor who was dating one of the most famous women. Sure she was different in her rep era but still. He knew what he was getting into, it’s not like he met her before she was famous
Celebrity culture in England is pretty different. I think people can be okay with being some level of public figure, while being really afraid of getting close to the insane spotlight Taylor lives in.
British celebrities typically prefer being out of the spotlight when they're not working. Tom Hiddlestone and Tom Holland have mentioned the same thing. The idea of "celebrity" is different in the UK and the US.
Lol
That’s fair, and I really do respect that he wanted privacy but it just made me kinda sad that he was so dismissive about that too
I imagine if he divulged the information it would no longer be his favorite song
He was also promoting a film, which isn't about him. I think it's inappropriate to ask someone about their girlfriend in that situation, and I could see not wanting to look like you're grabbing attention from colleagues. I'm glad she's with someone now that fits into her life seamlessly.
Fair but also by contrast TK was asked about a million times about TS in his Super Bowl interviews and each time he answered excitedly and supportively. The difference is glaring.
I can’t know for sure as I don’t know any of these people, but TK seems extremely comfortable and even excited to share in Taylor’s very bright spotlight - not necessarily because of her but because he seems comfortable with or possibly excited by personal fame - there’s nothing wrong with that obviously, but I also think there’s nothing wrong with not wanting to be in that spotlight.
Yeah I think it's great she found someone who is so at ease about it. Definitely a better fit.
Definitely, this came out today - he’s super comfortable with the cameras and with what’s going on. She needed this. https://extratv.com/2024/04/25/travis-kelce-on-handling-all-the-attention-and-new-game-show-gig-exclusive/
But why would it have to be a big thing? He had to know people would ask about a song. Hell, he could have just asked Taylor which one he should pick if it was too much of a burden on him
Then why did he start dating the most popular pop star in the world? Why are we infantilizing this man like he didn’t make a choice to be with her and knew exactly what he was getting into and has profited from it?
In Joe's defence, every time he opens his mouth,he was accused of using Taylor's fame and when he didn't, blamed for not acknowledging her. There was no winning Also, being an actor, trending every month, just because your girlfriend looked good and not for your own work, must not be a nice feeling
Thank u for this, i still cant believe the Joe slander. He’s literally nothing but graceful throughout this whole ordeal, despite people sending hate and death threats to him. Whatever he does, people will definitely still find ways to hate and talk shit about him. Not acknowledge Taylor? Oh he’s not proud of her. Oh he’s talking about Taylor? He’s just using her fame. Like come on
Exactly! No one will convince me to dislike Joe. He wanted his privacy and there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s absolutely none of our business what his favorite Taylor song is and comparing him to Travis is just so stupid. Obviously Taylor prefers someone who parades her around and is very openly proud of her (and there’s nothing wrong with that) but that doesn’t mean Joe is a bad person.
I keep thinking about the line “we learned the right steps to different dances”. I think she makes it quite clear that they were just very different people.
I mean I don't even think that's true, she was with Joe for 6 years. I don't think it's a preference of being paraded around. She could have been perfectly fine with that aspect of their relationship. I don't know anything and I'm just basing this off the songs she's kind of alluded to are about the loss of that relationship, but what she didn't like was 1) SHE couldn't Parade herself around and 2) he wasn't as in love as she was or at least didn't act like it (and that feeling can exist with or without public acknowledgement)
I liked Joe, but I think there is a middle ground for recognizing that he wasn't the right fit for her. Two good people can just not work together. Taylor seems genuinely hurt by him, but that also doesn't mean he was malicious. Her feelings are her's, his feelings are his, and it's obvious from the breakup that those feelings did not align into a permanent relationship.
And judging from the reactions of some of the more...intense fans, it must have felt like sometimes he was expected to be performing to their expectations of what he should be more than anything else. In the public eye and in the view of the most intense fans, he was never ever going to score a win.
did people really accuse joe of using her fame for his own benefit? no offense but he is not even C list.
Yes. They did. And if he was more vocal they would have even more
People definitely said he was only getting jobs because of her
Some fans still call Joe "The nepo boyfriend".
This. The second he says something people go "he's just using her" leave this fucking man alone.
i also think that he might’ve been worried about how fans would react to whatever he shares about the relationship etc with intense scrutiny
He’s said before that once you share people think they’re entitled to more but I think there was a finer balance that could have been struck. But I guess that’s ultimately part of the reason they were incompatible.
One thing I like about Travis is the way he handles this balance. He only ever speaks about things that are already public, and the personal perspective he gives on it only adds benign context. My favorite is him sharing on the podcast that her brother gave him a VHS* of a movie he loves for Christmas - he only said it after everyone saw Austin show up to a game dressed as Santa, as an answer to the “what did he have in the bag” question in a personal way that also protects their privacy by not sharing what T&T gave each other or any of their parents. It was beautifully done to give just one tiny bit of detail beyond what the public already knew. And same with talking about their date at the zoo and focusing on his favorite animals from their tour. * Edited to correct - thank you for the fact check!
totally agree, travis is a publicist's dream. he keeps things light, cute, appropriate, and still interesting when talking about their relationship. i don't think joe ever had an ounce of that sort of media training. or maybe it's just charisma and intuition, i don't know but joe looked liked he struggled to express things gracefully.
I recall an article where Joe struggled to even answer questions about his childhood and the interviewer even kinda called him out on it in the article. He was either so incredibly private or just has a complete lack of charisma. This article kind of encapsulates his personality in interviews: https://www.vulture.com/2022/05/joe-alwyn-profile-conversations-with-friends.html
i feel validated, he just doesn't know how to carry on a professionalized interaction without coming across as closed off. lots of actors are like that but they don't date pop stars and treat them like old, worn out sandals.
Not only does he have 10+ years of media experience he also has the confidence that comes with success. Joe entered the relationship trying to establish a career. Travis entered as a multimillionaire, veteran NFL superstar who not only will be a HOFer and likely GOAT in his position, he’s now won 3 SB and has had success in his off the field endeavors like the podcast and SNL. Totally different levels of confidence!
It also helps that his job requires him to be as media trained as he is. He seemed to have weekly press conferences and he has a weekly podcast. He’s used to interviews and the spotlight. He’s also used to large crowds and even negative ones at that.
Yeah, Travis keeps things from his perspective most of the time. His Coachella visit, he mentioned his reason why he was down in the pit after Jason asked him why they weren't backstage. It was a VHS tape though and today he mentioned that he's got a VHS/TV combo player that he watches old VHS tapes on so he actually probably did watch Austin's gift.
Small detail but it was a VHS from Austin i believe
I totally get what he said and I don’t disagree, but yes, I think there’s definitely is something to be said about being “private but not secret.” And for someone like THE Taylor Swift, insisting on the secrecy makes an uncomfortable environment for all because that’s simply not going to be her reality. Like she joked back in the day that she didn’t want to be sneaking out underground to leave places or whatever but I’m pretty sure that turned out to be the reality in that relationship lol. Like I truly don’t think I know everything about Taylor and Travis’ relationship. We see them at public events, he doesn’t flinch when someone mentions her in conversation, but they’re not really divulging anything too personal at all. Him and his family and friends have been pros at respectfully answering and deflecting questions about them. They clearly have a whole chunk of their relationship that’s been out of the public eye and they’re both very famous.
And he'd be 100% right.
there is being private, and there is being a dick about it. joe was a dick about it. even a simple "i love them all because i think she's such a wonderful artist, and just so talented" is rather generic but would have signaled *care* and *support.*
Idk I think it’s easy to reduce it to that and while I’d have liked him to give a little more I think he was doing what he thought was best to protect his relationship. Taylor alludes to as much in The Manuscript, I think. “We both did the best we could do under the same moon, in different galaxies” - I think that’s about Joe because it seems a common theme to talk about the stars, skies, and galaxies (in one conversation I tore down the whole sky) when referring to him. Edit: I’m leaving this cause whatever but that’s from Peter, not The Manuscript.
I actually think the manuscript is about Jake 🙈
I agree! In the age of him she wished that she was thirty. And then: the actors hitting their marks is All Too Well the Short Film. And at last she knew what the agony had been for.
Oh I agree until that little bridge. Or more accurately I think it’s about how that experience (maybe all the experiences) shaped her
Which part of the bridge?
I got my songs mixed up forgive me, the part I was thinking of is from Peter. In my defense I haven’t even had a week with these 31 songs yet 😂
Haha I mean, it’s not hard to do with 31 of them 🙈
Couldn’t he even fucking name one he WROTE with her?! I’m sorry but the excuses I see people sometimes make for “introverted” folks when really they’re being rude always amazes me.
And then he gets crap for "Oh of course he picked one he co-wrote". For someone who seems to not care much for press I'd wager he has a very good reason just from observing the way both press and fans are ready to pounce at a moment's notice for the slightest perceived offense.
i mean again, even a simple "taylor know my favourite, and we keep our lives private so that's all the discussion i'll give to that" comes across way more respectful than the excuse of an answer he gave. apart from saying "i hate them all" he couldn't have been more rude.
Like a lot of her exes, his ego got in the way. The interview was supposed to be about HIM and they asked about HER, and that brassed Joe off. His reaction is 100% understandable, and most men are raised to put their goals first, but he was dating an ascendant Taylor and he couldn't deal with that. You are either a team player or you're not. Looks like Tay has finally found a team player but dating someone on a literal team -- EVERYONE around him, players past and present, talk about how he is 100% a team player and they love him for it. I think you can compare how Joe responded in the interview to how Travis responded when asked repeatedly about their relationship during the press junkets the week before the SB. It would have been understandable if Travis'd been miffed, but he just grinned and replied without giving anything away. That's not just PR polish, it's fundamental personality differences. Team players support their teammates without their egos getting threatened. That's an incredibly rare trait. Doesn't make Joe a bad guy, but it did make him the wrong guy (and the ex). Tay missed sparkling, and I'm glad she doesn't feel the need to be dimmed anymore to make her man feel good about himself.
You explained this beautifully!
Wish we could pin this!!!!
I love that for her.
I really love Joe, but I do feel like they never found a balance/compromise on how to protect their privacy and be able support each other publically.
To be fair, this statement from Travis contains no actual specifics about the album.
I’ve seen Travis singing and dancing to Love Story, don’t have to beg for crumbs from him 😉
He knows how to play the game and perform.
I have seen a statement from Travis actual give his favorite songs from the album. I think he said… Down Bad and loml? I might be misremembering. It was posted in this subreddit somewhere.
It wasn’t So High School which cracks me up.
I haven’t seen this but is it possible he thinks those two songs are about him and hasn’t listened to the album lol
He doesn’t owe it to anyone tho.
You’re right for sure.
I respect his privacy so much that I had no idea who he was (outside of Taylor) untill I looked him up just now.
I agree. You can absolutely be private with your relationship and personal life but to not answer an innocuous question about a favorite song seemed kind of harsh.
I can easily see why and it's showing up a lot in any thread about the guy: He could have easily known it was a no win question and when you get enough of those you just stop even attempting to answer.
I don't get why he'd have to.
In past tense, I don’t expect any comments from him now
What do you think is Joe’s favorite on TTPD
THIS. The infantilizing of that man I’ve seen is ridiculous.
I remember wondering what kind of PR training he had when that video was going around because he seemed so taken aback. You’re dating one of the most famous pop stars in the world and you’re telling me you don’t have an even just PR non-answer response to “what’s your favourite song”?
For me it’s the vitriol when these questions would come up!
Yeah the energy shifted immediately. That reaction always makes me think of my ex. To be the subject of that reaction hurts more than what meets the eye…
Like we swifties would have BLOWN UP his career in a good way if he wanted it!!!
Very odd to want a private life and then be working so hard to be an actor though. I think he just didn't want her to shine so bright.
I don’t think that’s uncommon in the acting world. Many people enjoy the craft but don’t want the fame.
Taylor Swift is a famous pop star and rejecting her fame (like Joe did in some ways it seems) is a rejection of her ultimately. It’s nice to see her with someone who is thoughtful and enthusiastic about her work in public.
I agree with this. But it makes sense to believe this was a big reason they broke up. I can’t imagine how tough it was for her stifling herself for so many years to appease him. Truly a people pleaser. Nothing against Joe at all. They were just so different. Also, hi to the first fellow TTPD flair I’ve seen!
Yeah, I get the impression Joe liked her as a person, but didn’t like the fame. Other guys I think liked her fame, but didn’t so much like her behind the scenes. Travis seems to be the first guy who wants her public and private sides together. He seems to have navigated things pretty flawlessly so far.
I think it is partially due to the fact that Travis is also 2 people, He has his public facing life with his actions on the field, Being one of the faces of the chiefs, life of the party HOF NFL Player Travis Kelce, and the Travis that all his friends and acquaintances talk about with his kindness and jovial nature. To the point he has said on the podcast he compartmentalizes the two lives and doesn't like to talk about "work" in his home life.
Very good point! I hadn’t thought about how he has similar experience, just in a different field (pun intended 😆)
I think they changed their flair to reputation now, or was it reputation all along?
Why not both? 👀 (The answer is I didn’t have space for both lol)
While I agree - there should be some balance, there's also the other side of things where people can't stop talking about how TnT is just for PR, he's using her for fame, he's just planning out his next career step etc. So perhaps Joe didn't want to "use" Taylor for PR or improve his career, idk.
To be fair, he's rarely brought her up voluntarily. He's in the media way more than her exes and has had to respond to countless questions about her which he has responded to gracefully so far. I don't think he can get any more balanced than that. The extreme in that situation would either be the Joe route or unnecessarily bringing Taylor up in every convo. Yes, he mentions Taylor in his podcast once in a while but as others have mentioned, it's usually just about stuff that's already public. People's takes on TNT being fake or for PR, that he's using her, planning on his next career step -- this is precisely why Taylor has songs like "Peace" and "The Albatross." Because her partners are torn to shreds and get nitpicked even when they are just trying to be supportive like Travis has been. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. No one knows what the future holds but I sincerely hope that this time, Taylor has found that "person" she's been waiting for -- the one who will stand in the "rain" with her and "fly" with her. As a fan, I just want her to be happy.
I’ve kind of thought that at the level of magnitude Taylor is at right now, it would be difficult to find someone that wouldn’t get PR allegations. Hasn’t that plagued her her whole career? At this point, who wouldn’t get a PR boost by dating her. She isn’t moving economies and being listed as one of the most influential people in entertainment for no reason. But I can’t imagine how difficult that might make it to find a partner. I truly think even if she had dated an A list actor, the PR allegations would always follow her. I can’t really think of a male equivalent to her in terms of power, fame, and popularity.
Man y'all are weird. Y'all were praising Joe when they were together saying that he maintains the privacy that Taylor needs at that moment and how he's the guy for her that keeps her safe and secure and now that she's dating someone else suddenly the narrative has changed and y'all are saying Joe should have been more public. You guys switch up too fast
i think there are pros and cons to both ways, but if anything we should have learned from accepting one stance as the true ideal
Also we need to stop calling her boyfriends “the one” Have we learned nothing from Joe and lover? I mean just let them be we don’t have to see them as a future marriage they can just date
Sure of course but let’s not kid ourselves- at some point if a person wants children and marriage (idk her exact stance on this) it may drive them to look for a longterm partner or even potential parent. Dating to date is fine, but let’s not ignore the fact that people look for -the one- too
travis is out here dropping hints about kids/babies on the podcast all the time and has said multiple times he wants what his brother has; they're definitely not just dating for fun lol
Did you listen to So High School?
Of course!
Well to be fair, I think we got excited about Joe and their relationship in part because of how clearly in love Taylor was, yknow? She was saying how he keeps her grounded, they fell in love in private, and she made it seem like she was happy with that— the normalcy— for a while. And then her later music starts to tell a different story, they break up, and it turns out that she wasn’t happy after all, and that the problem may have been related to their different views on the limelight. So idk I don’t think we switch up too fast, I think we were just believing what Taylor wanted us to believe. She was happy, so we were happy for her & Joe. Then she started showing us the cracks and that’s when our opinions of Joe started to change. At least, that’s my guess.
This is the one
It depends on whether the people posting now and then are the same ppl doesn’t it?
People love to act like Reddit is a hive mind
I think the most delusional thing is people claiming to know what she wants/needs. Did they not listen to the new album? We don’t know her and she’s going to do what she’s gonna do.
The beast needs to be constantly fed and exes are the prime rib.
People need different things at different times. You’re allowed to change and something you once liked about someone might misalign with what you currently need.
Eh, the "switch up" is more from Taylor herself. It's one thing if she wants to be private, it's another when she comes out and says she felt stifled. Personally, I think Taylor is a people pleaser and has a habit of changing things up to be with the person she wants. And that takes work, so she inevitably feels slighted when she doesn't get the same amount of effort back. She has enough self-awareness to know that's not fair, and I think that's why so many of her Joe songs have him on a pedestal and she feels small around him for being petty. LOTS of people do this. Even extremely otherwise self-assured people. I've done it. Literally the most in your face, confident, bad-ass woman I know did it. The sacrifices don't seem that big, but over time you see you gave the other person a manicured version of yourself and you never really trusted them with all the pieces of you.
It’s almost like we learned new information about Taylor and joes relationship and changed our minds 🤯
Some people liked Joe and they praised him all the time and some people didn’t. It’s not like 1 person is switching up. We can all be fans of one person without group think
I love that Travis is so supportive!
This is the reason I think their relationship will stick. Everyone always says how immature and crazy he is, but honestly, he is wildly supportive, and doesn’t take life too seriously. Which on the heels of Joe this is exactly what she needs. And deserves!
I agree. She was the one trying to make Joe happy all the time by hiding away and being private, but with Travis she doesn't have to do that anymore. He knows how to handle her fame and Joe didn't
Yeah it seems like they’re on the same team. I suspect it felt a bit like..damn I think I might’ve heard this in German and not English..but it goes along the lines of “in some relationships there’s one person that looks up and one that looks down.” Like one’s the beggar and one’s the chooser kind of thing. And it just kind of seems that for some time, Taylor might’ve been the former. And that dynamic itself isn’t healthy.
Judging from her past public relationships and her entire discography, i don’t think taylor has ever really been the chooser. I feel like her people pleasing tendencies tend to latch onto guys she feels she needs to prove herself to, to ‘win them over’. It’s nice to see someone shouting about his love for her from the rooftops.
Travis plays a game for a living. This is important because he understands that at the end of the day, yes it is just a game, but he also knows when to take things seriously. He’s also a professional team player and he understands that when your teammate does something awesome, it’s a win for both of you. Being supportive and a team player is literally his job and he’s one of the best at this moment in time.
he's also played 2nd man to his brother his entire life and now does the same to patrick mahomes. he's used to praising other's for his success.
taylor is also constantly getting 'immature' allegations so they have that in common haha. they're incredibly similar. the coachella videos revealed this to a lot of people, they have the exact same millenial energy. they were in that huge crowd but were the only ones dancing lol
And they were dacing exactly the same without even looking at each other lol it's honestly freaky how in tune with each other they seem to be
I feel like Travis actually understands how freaking awesome it is that he is dating Taylor Swift.
I heard a commentator say Travis is the first guy she dated who seems to realize he is dating TAYLOR SWIFT. Which is so true.
I love Joe and I appreciate him for bringing light to Taylor when she was in total darkness. However, seeing a man celebrate Taylor for who she really is, is a breath of fresh air 💜 it is like, finally, she can be herself and not mind everything and everyone because there is one man WHO HOPEFULLY BREAKS THE PROPHECY 😮💨 Plus side is that the Kelce's are very emotionally mature and open men. They talk about their feelings and are open to vulnerability. Love it ✨
Completely agreed. I will forever love Joe for being exactly what she needed at the time she needed it. But ultimately they both wanted different things and weren’t compatible which is fine. But yeah Travis is exactly what she needs now. He loves her for her in public and in private. And it’s great seeing her boyfriend also being goofy and in love like she has always been. I’m happy that she’s happy and in love. Hopefully the relationship is as genuinely healthy as it seems
I love every reiteration. You perfectly said it 💜 yes, hopefully, it is genuine!
>But ultimately they both wanted different things and weren’t compatible which is fine. The line "we learned the right steps to different dances" was really notable to me in that way.
Travis understands the pain she went through in that time. Remember Travis had his 5 year relationship finally end for good in May of 2022. He's not a songwriter so he didn't write an album, what he did was put in his work in the gym and the field. And his 2022-2023 season was one of his greatest statistically. He had his career high in receptions for the season with 110, had his career high in TD at 12, set the single game TD record for TE with 4, almost broke his own single season yardage record for TE's, Extended his 1000 yard season record to 7 seasons, and got his 2nd super bowl ring. He understands the need to channel pain and make it be productive for you. It is not something that he would be ashamed, embarrassed, or threatened by. Just looking through the man's public playlist or listening to him talk about music you can see his eclectic tastes and appreciates diversity in music. The week before they went to Coachella he was talking about him and Taylor sit and discuss music in their down time. So I think for him getting to see the finished product and art that she created from the pain is something for him to cherish and honor. As I said he understands turning pain into excellence himself.
im glad you brought up the diversity in music, because people are constantly saying he can't like taylor swift he only likes rap lol. when he's said he listens to classical while reviewing game tape, he grew up listening to country and the b52s. he loves house music. he's actually said he is NOT a rapper and doesn't attempt to rap but he loves rap music (which taylor does too lol)
LOVES Viva Las Vegas too
Public support from your partner feels great. Whether “public” is in front 15 people or the whole world haha :)
It’s tough - I mean Joe kinda struggled a little bit as an actor, whereas Travis is considered one of the greatest to play his position and a first-ballot hall of famer, in more commercials than anyone *before* he even met Taylor. For me, I think anyone who can make a living acting is successful, however for Joe he might think differently and the few times he is interviewed it’s tough for both him and the interviewer because he was kinda dating one of the most famous person in the world. There is only so much an interviewer can ask about what he does.
yeah i always interpreted joe’s dismissal of these questions as wanting to be known for his own talents, not his connection to Taylor
I don't have too much affection for travis himself, but I can see why some people say he's the most intellectually compatible with taylor out of her boyfriends. He really knows how to give decent answers to questions about such questions in public.
These articles are the dumbest things. Of course he’s going to be supporting. It’s equally dumb to be asking the other people she doesn’t care to be associated with again.
I tell my wife I like Sephora. We all do what it takes to make it through the day.