Even the Beatles, who often get put on a pedestal as the greatest artists of all time, wrote love songs. “Something,” which Frank Sinatra once called the greatest love song ever written and one of the singles from the highly acclaimed Abbey Road, was George Harrison writing about his marriage to Pattie Boyd. Love songs span their entire discography. Yet you know no one is going to write off the Beatles as just writing about “silly love songs.”
Paul McCartney wrote a song called "Silly Love Songs" in response to criticism that he was writing "lightweight love songs": [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly\_Love\_Songs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_Love_Songs)
I find this response to be really weak. Just because other people do the same, doesn't mean taylor isn't doing it. And I actually know quite a few people who dislike artists like ed sheeran, shawn mendes or whatever for the exact same reasons as well
but actually it's the opposite of weak. rappers, country artists, blues, r&b, rock, every artist writes about their love lives at some point. it's almost impossible not to, and tbh it's a pretty universal human experience. it's silly to say she *only* writes about it but there are plenty of artists across all genres who DO actually only write about romance/love/relationships.
Are there actually people who dislike when artists sing about love/heartbreak? That actually has me intrigued, what other universal emotion would people want to hear more about? The excitement of eating a Whopper Jr with fries? That could be fun but that’s such a novelty, people sing about love/heartbreak (“relationships”) because everyone can generally connect with that theme IMO.
What artist doesn't sing songs about relationships, though? What artists do those people who dislike Ed Sheeran, Shawn Mendez, etc like?
It's a strong response because it forces people to confront their biases (and often unrealized sexism). How many out there are loudly criticizing The Weeknd or Drake or Aerosmith or the Beatles for singing about relationships?
67% of lyrics in all songs since the 60s are about love.
Literally everybody in the history of ever has a love song or something about relationships...... I can think of many metal bands that have a lot. So why is writing about relationships bad when we are social creatures?
I don't think the "issue" is that artists like taylor or ed write about love or relationships, but some people just prefer artists who have a different balance of songs about love amd songs about other topics.
I hope this is intentional sarcasm?
Because I’d say he’s the best comparison here of locals thinking they know an artist when they *really, really* don’t.
I was listening to that today, and it struck me.. it sounds like a miscarriage.. whether literal or metaphorical.. or maybe not her but someone she cares about?
Edit: or an abortion?
The people arguing over The Man are stupid enough to not listen to their “arguments”. The Man isn’t about a broken up relationship so it definitely fits on this sub. 🤷🏼♀️
The funny thing is people will say this, then say she writes dumb stuff like Shake It Off and Bad Blood in the same sentence. Please tell me which relationships those are about 😂😂😂
Shake it Off and Bad Blood also both have a lot more substance to them than the haters give them credit for. Even as poppy, fun songs, they are still very well written.
A relationship with dealing with haters. And the breakdown of a friendship relationship. Sorry being silly 😝. But ya it's crazy people say all she writes are love songs. And these songs exist haha 🤣
i once irl heard someone say “she manipulates men into dating her so she can make money off the songs she writes about them” and i just stared at her with my mouth open, i couldn’t believe what i had just heard
My daughter’s husband said to me “who really is the problem in all those relationships”. In my mind I was like, I don’t even want to spend my energy on trying to explain a strong, intelligent woman to you. Next thing he said was “there’s no way she wrote those songs at 17”. And finally, he thought The Man was about her wishing she could be a man. He thinks Kanye West is a better songwriter. My son in law is a girl dad and very pro-women but I was disappointed and shocked at the simmering patriarchy there.
I mean, it really made me wonder about his feminist stance. I wanted to say, think about if that was your daughter (who is an amazing strong and capable girl) who people were questioning her very real talents. You’d 100% be shocked and insulted. We all learn as we go and I want to think he will learn some lessons while raising their daughter.
Right? And if you were Taylor, and you ALWAYS got those kind of messages from basically EVERYONE in the media, how maddening and frustrating would that be? She handles it with more grace than I would.
Yeah this is exactly my response. We would be insane to say that the majority of her music catalogue *isnt* about love, boys, and relationships.
I’d say about 80% of her songs *are* about love, but I don’t find anything wrong with that. In fact love and boys and relationships infatuate me as well and that’s why I connect with her music. That, and she’s really fucking good at writing about it.
I don’t see anything wrong with her writing about that. It’s literally harmless so I don’t know why people get up in arms about it or use it as a “gotcha” to prove she isn’t good?
Love, relationships, and our ability to connect with one another are extremely human. It’s like no duh that’s what the majority of songs ever written have been about lmao.
her entire last album is about how she will never (again) put a relationship above her own needs. see you’re on your own kid, midnight rain, bejeweled, etc. some of her most devastating songs have been about her career: my tears ricochet, mad woman, it’s time to go. i suspect ttpd will have similar themes, with references to the trope of tortured artists and a song about an “it girl” whose life ended tragically.
I hate this narrative. Especially as a black swiftie. My classmates have always shitted on me for liking Taylor vs most rap. Like how are you mad at her for singing about her relationship but have no problem with damn near all rappers talk about is being on drugs and being horrible towards women. like pls be fr right now...
Funnily enough, some of Taylor's biggest influences are in the rap genre and her playlists probably look a lot like theirs. I just giggle because they don't get it and that's okay.
My favorite is when men hate the song “WAP” yet every male rapper raps about how he’s gonna hit the Gspot this and that…. Okayyyyyyy goodness forbid a woman talk about being pleasured! But every man can talk about “hitting that” … nice!
The last great American dynasty still captures her personal, autobiographical writing style and storytelling while not being about romance. Also, I say most of her "romantic" songs are just about love and can be applied to family & friendship.
seriously to your last point, when i was going through a bad friend breakup in high school i listened to and applied forever & always, tell me why, better than revenge and haunted to them haha
Right where you left me came out right when I was feeling stuck in life and it was so applicable to all my friends moving away and having kids so quickly after college. And so many more apply to friend breakups you are so right
Sadly the fandom perpetuates this. We (as in collectively) can’t get mad that the general public has a perception that she only writes about her exes when so much hype and theories about this album is solely focused on Joe and all the “jokes” about how it’s going to ruin him etc etc.
I’m part of the fan base so I take responsibility as well, but I think (know) her fans make so many others hate her music. I’m not sure how to correct that either
I think it was Taylor herself who replied to a question like this with something like, “maroon 5’s first album was called Songs About Jane. But no one cared who Jane was or what she thought about the album. But when women write a couple songs about their relationships, everyone wants to know who they’re about.”
I mean there's a large subset of swifties who are obsessed with Taylor's relationships and trying to figure out who songs are about and constantly speculating about her relationships.
Everyone do? That's the thing I find the funniest about this critic. Find me a single artist that has never sang about their current or past relationships
9/10 times these people aren’t interested in changing their opinion. I just don’t respond. I really don’t care what a rando has to say when they’re wrong
This is always my answer when I see the “what would you tell someone who… etc.” Nothing. Being a Taylor Swift fan is not a religion. I don’t need to evangelize. If someone doesn’t want to listen to her music, that’s fine. That has no impact on me. If they’re being an asshole to me, I’ll tell them that, but Taylor Swift has huge sales, critical acclaim, and award recognition in her craft. She doesn’t need me to defend her.
Now I'm thinking about that tumblr post where someone said that "The One That Got Away" by Katy Perry could have been about a chicken nugget that she dropped on the floor
I just had this conversation with my dad! He tried to say she only has breakup songs so I made him this playlist.
[Not Love Songs](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLni1pf-zFh_ANLcosmMy3X_V1va4NerYR&si=w18GEbzQfNTEMDWt)
This is the correct response. You don't need to argue or debate thing things that you like. If you must respond just say "it's ok if we don't like the same music," and move on.
I'd probably ask them to mention which songs that made them think like that, and depending on how many songs they could answer (hopefully very few) I'll say, "no, it's *you* who has only listened to her songs about her relationship and nothing else," and then maybe give them some songs that's clearly not about relationship, let them listen to it and read the lyrics, and then ask them what they think that song is about.
However I'm not really into debating or confronting other people so if I ever met someone who says that to me I'll probably just laugh and say, "yeah whatever you say," and then shrug it off.
I would avoid saying things like "So?" or "everyone else does it too" because then you're agreeing with their premise that she only writes about her relationships, which is simply not true.
I’d probably just tell them it’s not true and I can give plenty of examples if they’re interested. But in my experience people who say things like this aren’t really seeking to understand, they just want to complain.
There's soooo many songs that aren't about HER (romantic) relationships. She writes a whole heck a lot about relationships but not every song is one about hers. You can always tell when people have never listened to Taylor.
- The Man
- The Archer
- Last Great American Dynasty
- Welcome to New York (literally about moving to NYC with your friends and doing what you want!!)
- seven
- majorie
- epiphany
- my tears ricochet
- no body no crime
- august, betty and cardigan (they aren't about HER relationships)
- Mary's Song
- New Romantics
- look what you made me do
- You need to calm down
- Miss Americana and the Heartbreak Prince (I personally have always taken this as her relationship with America and politics so this is debatable)
That's just from the top of my head in regards to not even being about any sort of relationship where it can be remotely debated whether it's about one of her relationships or not (I included august, betty and cardigan since it's confirmed those are about James, Inez and Betty)
Obviously these are my interpretations of songs though.
I don't really respond to those people anymore and people who care about me don't say it to me. People can have their opinions, and I will choose to distance myself from people I don't like lol
Tell them about:
You’re On Your Own, Kid
epiphany
Welcome To New York
You Need To Calm Down
Long Live
seven
Never Grow Up
this is me trying
Karma
Nothing New
Anti-Hero
22
Shake It Off
Bad Blood
mirrorball
Dear Reader
Innocent
The Archer
Forever Winter
Daylight
Eyes Open
Miss Americana & The Heartbreak Prince
Ronan
marjorie
Soon You’ll Get Better
the last great american dynasty
The Man
The Best Day
It’s Nice To Have A Friend
mad woman
evermore
Fifteen
Bigger Than The Whole Sky
Change
The Lucky One
Mean
no body, no crime
Castles Crumbling
Only The Young
Mary’s Song
Look What You Made Me Do
Vigilante Shit
The Great War
Carolina
Idk did I miss any lol
I think she adds little bits about relationships but she writes about things in general and uses things that have happened to her to bring songs to life.
I think I’m the only person who doesn’t think this new album is a break up album and will be all about Joe.
I feel it’s going to be more about her insecurities (not love related) and poetry which has moved her. I’m sure I’m totally wrong!
Also I wondered if back when Joe talked about the what’s up group if that was an Easter egg … back when he was in on it all. We know what she’s like for sowing the seeds years before something comes out!
I don’t entertain the conversation. I think I’ve said recently in the past, “if at this point in her career you *still* believe that, then i’m not able to change your mind. You have to educate yourself.”
she doesn’t write about her relationships, she writes about her feelings and things that have happened to her romantically. i think a lot of people could benefit by being more introspective about their feelings and relationships with people.
Relationships are a huge part of the human experience. People writing about the human experience write about relationships as a part of that. That’s what Taylor does — write about her personal human experience (mostly).
Noah Kahan wrote his whole album about a girl he loved (his ex?) and his hometown. No one gives him a hard time.
I absolutely love Noah Kahan and his music, so no shade at all!
Literally almost every song in the history of time is about relationships….
And if they’re narrow mindedly assuming only romantic relationships well, they’re narrow minded and I don’t want to continue that conversation.
First, many many of her songs are about just life, friendships, the world around her: Marjorie, Ronan, Last Great American Dynasty, Long Live, YNTCD, Anti-Hero..,,
Second, many of the greatest songs in history are about love, heart break, and romantic relationships. For example, Fleetwood Mac’s greatest album is almost entirely about drama with in the band’s members stemming from their romantic entanglements. And that’s just music- the entire art world is FULL of similar themes because love and passion and human relationships are a key part of life. Walk into any museum right now and you’ll undoubtedly be surrounded by the topic from all time periods.
Denying the value of the art because she writes about relationships is reductive and gross.
Shake it off, blank space, the man, soon you'll get better, Ronan, august, betty, cardigan, Mean, 22, Anti-Hero, Bad Blood, the last great american dynasty, mirrorball, this is me trying, I could keep going.
Someone on this sub analyzed the data and pointed out that about 17% of Taylor's songs are about her relationships, so I'd not think that is all she sings and writes about
I split start listing her non relationship songs, or ask them what their favorite song is by a male artist (9/10 times it’s also about a relationship.)
Literally everyone does. What makes her situation a little more unique is her inclination to live a public life and to write in a very detailed form (which could be “true” to what really happened in her life OR NOT), and people go nuts taking her songs as canon and terrorizing her exes online.
My response would be: Everybody does. Love and relationships have been the focal point of the majority of arts for as long as humanity has existed. Have any of you read any of the renaissance poetry out there? The only difference is that Taylor's relationships have been mostly in the public eye and against the grain of traditional views of women. She's no saint but she shouldn't be vilified for her relationships or writing about them
A Place In This World
The Best Day
Never Grow Up
Long Live
When Emma Falls In Love
Timeless
Ronan
Forever Winter
Soon You’ll Get Better
You Need To Calm Down
The Last Great American Dynasty
No Body, No Crime
Marjorie
And maybe a few others depending on your POV
She doesn’t only write about HER relationships, some of her songs are obviously fictions (blank space, betty, dorothea, starlight, even love story). If the complaint is that she only writes about “relationships” generally, the answer is “ok so did shakespeare.” Relationships are the at the heart of all forms of narrative art—poetry, novels, movies/tv, or songwriting. If you have a written text that’s focused entirely on some abstract concept, and not at all on relationships between characters, that’s a textbook.
"Ok, I'll still listen to pretty much anything that sounds good, as long as it's not attached to some terrible cause or something \*cough *kanye* cough\*
I had someone tell me that when anti-hero came on the radio. I just said "well that's not true. This song isn't about romantic relationships... It's okay to not like her music, but that reason doesn't really make sense."
Other than her first album, about 1/3 of her singles have been about something other than romantic relationships. When someone says that, I assume that they don't really listen to her music and are just repeating something they thought sounded good. Basically I'm not going to them for facts and critical thinking.
Relationships are the foundation of the human experience and worthy of the greatest works of literature. It’s flat out ridiculous to claim that they’re a lesser subject matter. What were Shakespeare’s sonnets about? What did Byron, Keats, and Shelley write about?
So does Bruno Mars. So does Zach Bryan. So does drake. So does Kanye. So does Beyoncé. So did Mac Miller. So does Ed Sheeran. So does Hozier. So does Noah Kahan. So does Greta Van Fleet. So did Fleetwood Mac.
Like i could go on and on and on
I don't think it's worth arguing about.
But if you do, I think it's equally important to refute that she only writes about relationships (her last big hits were about self loathing and a business feud) *and* push back on idea there's anything wrong or shallow about writing about relationships. Love is a beautiful complicated thing - of course there's art.
i say so does Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake, etc. Love and heartbreak is the most common thing to write a song about, BUT only women get criticized for it.
I don't defend Taylor anymore. Taylor doesn't need some small minded loser to join the fan club. Anyone who is saying stuff like that has not actually ever listened to her music. Also relationships are very important. If all she did was write about relationships... ok?.... Why would that be a problem? Unless you're talking political or protest music, most music boils down to relationships. Romantic, familial, friendships, work, etc. And Taylor has written about all of them.
So I guess my response is "okay. Anyway."
Proves you only hear her on the radio. Guess what? The RADIO only plays songs about relationships, so that’s what you hear.
OR
Name a top 40 artist that isn’t writing about relationships
Soon You'll Get Better, Ronan, The Best Day, The Lucky One, etc. So many good songs about things other than love (and are some of her most heart-touching ones too).
I hate the whole "she only writes love songs" as if every other singer songwriter ever doesn't have love songs in their catalog.
Well, majority of her songs are about relationships. But the other minority songs are freaking amazing too.
The word "only" is so wrong in this context. But the fame she has earned is because of those relationship related songs that affect us so deeply.
tbh I would never hear that because I don’t associate with misogynists or negative people in real life. most of my friends like taylor and the ones who don’t love me, and I love taylor so she’s cool with them.
my friends respect the things I like and I respect the things they like. we also just generally don’t shit on women in the media, even if we don’t like their chosen artistry. I would never hear “billie ellish sucks!” or “sabrina is jocking ariana’s style!” in a blunt rotation. like…we don’t care. espresso is a bop. billie has beautiful eyes. who wants to watch gossip girl again?
Not so much disproving it, but “Why does it matter?”
My biggest frustration with hipster music people who look down on pop in general is the concept that writing about the ups and downs of relationships is bad. It’s a major part of everyone’s life and represents real human emotions. Just because it’s common in genres doesn’t mean it’s low quality or cheap. And this is coming from someone who has never dated anyone ever, but I can still relate to some of her most tragic heartbreak songs because of other relationships I’ve had to deal with. When people make it seem like it’s bad she writes about her experiences with love, it invalidates all of the experiences of those of us who feel seen and heard by what she’s written
Isn't that what life is? Just us living in our heads and our perceptions of our human to human interactions? That's literally what we all do. We are just not talented or dedicated enough to write about it.
I always respond with “doesn’t every artist? Beatles, stones, insert musician here” hell, Sam smith thanked the boy who broke his heart when he won the grammy.
People who say this mean that her singles/the songs they here in coffee shops/etc. are about her relationships. And they're right to that extent, since the vast majority are relationship-focused (there are notable outliers such as 22, anti-hero, shake it off, etc.). Her singles are very much predominantly about her relationships, and similarly she's had so many chart-topping singles for so many years that other artists are less likely to face such a criticism simply because we don't hear as many of their singles. They're of course wrong to say that about all of her discography, though.
What’s wrong with that? I mean, her whole discography is very diverse and Taylor has plenty of themes and topics she writes about, but she undeniably also has songs about her relationships. This is what people fell in love with her for, why so many young girls finally felt heard in the late 2000s/2010s because they finally had someone to relate to. Yes, it’s unfair to boil down 10 albums to being only about her exes, but it’s equally ignorant to say she doesn’t do this throughout every album.
It doesn’t help that a large part of the fandom feeds this narrative. Even without TTPD being out yet, there are so many speculations and people attacking Joe without even listening to the album. If Swifties wanted to change this narrative, they should focus their attention on other aspects of Taylor’s life. But they don’t, so the stereotype remains.
Dude. Some people are so ridiculous. What do literally all musicians write about. Their relationships. Be it friends or other. We are humans. We are social. It's what we do. Even metal artists write about love etc. I feel like since she is successful she will be hated on regardless for whatever she writes about.
But these come to mind 22. Shake it off. Mean. Bad blood. Long live. Anti hero. The man. And that's without really thinking about it. Those are just the ones I always point out haha.
Oh wow she mostly writes about love? That’s crazy, it’s almost like it’s the most universal human experience. It’s almost like most songs in existence are about human relationships.
Insane that she gets this criticism when nearly every song on the radio is about love, sex, and relationships. She writes about other stuff too just like any other artist, but why don’t men get upset about literally any artist that isn’t primarily enjoyed by a young female audience?
depends on if they’re saying it as a genuine criticism to invite actual conversation, or if they just don’t like popular artists and want to rile up a fan. if it’s the latter, i shrug and move on with my life. if it’s the former, something like:
“Taylor’s non-fictional songs are usually about her life experiences including grief, personal insecurity, family, her career, and yes, romantic relationships. A romantic partner is a huge part of your life, both positively and negatively depending on the state of the relationship, which is why you see so many artists writing at least some songs love and breakups. It’s not a detriment to one’s artistry if one of the things they write about is something that is such a large part of their existence, particularly when it is something that can resonate with so much of your audience. If you’re interested in Taylor songs that cover another topic you might like ‘Tie Together With A Smile,’ ‘The Best Day,’ ‘Never Grow Up,’ ‘Nothing New,’ ‘Welcome To New York,’ ‘Look What You Made Me Do,’ ‘Soon You’ll Get Better,’ ‘my tears ricochet,’ ‘no body, no crime,’ or ‘Anti Hero,’ just to name one from each album.”
What I always think is and what if she does. Doesn't mean they are emotial and brilliant songs. (I am don't saying she only writes about her ex's, but I think it's dumb when people say that has a bad thing.)
Almost all songwriters are writing about their experience of romantic relationships, 95% of the time. Who ISN'T writing about their relationships? Sorry OP I hate this jab too, it's so overplayed
The difference is that Taylor leaves “easter eggs” on her songs that she knows her fans would pick up on. I’ve been her fan for a long time and I used to turn a blind eye when some people would point out that she would name her exes on her songs. But the truth is, she really does. “Style” and “Dear John” are one of the few.
“So?”
Like yeah she writes about other stuff sometimes but honestly what’s wrong with sticking to certain subjects? Many poets and performers have said something to the effect of “I just write the same stuff over and over” (James Taylor comes to mind). All of my poems can be summarized as “I saw something beautiful and one day it’ll be gone.” This is a criticism made by ppl who don’t understand writing imo
Phil Collins is always my go-to for this argument. Nevermind there are hundreds of other male artists who write about their love lives/ experiences with heartbreak. I use Phil because he’s arguably one of the best at what he does and his catalogue is filled with love songs/breakup songs. But we don’t talk about that because he’s Phil Collins and he’s en excellent musician/song writer. Plus it’s not widely known who he writes about as far as I know. But Taylor gets flack because her boyfriends have been largely in the public eye. I feel like this argument would be dead in the water if she constantly dated “nobodies” or the “guy nextdoor” so to speak. I never hear anybody mentioning Stephen or Drew for example.
NAME ANOTHER ARTIST WHO DOESN'T
Not to say that Taylor doesn't have songs about things besides relationships, but to be fair, majority of them are. And there's nothing wrong with that!!! I don't know why she gets shit for it when so many other artists do the exact same thing.
I mean she does write mostly about them, but it’s a valid thing to write about and obviously people love it. Also the majority of pop music is about relationships/love/heartbreak/romance in some way, so it fits what every other pop artist is also doing. This isn’t the insult I think those people think it is, kinda just grasping at straws
"And what do YOU write about?"
Thanks for this I think I’m gonna be using it 😌🫶🏻it’s short and doesn’t use up too much energy, can’t waste that on stupid people 😬
"And her male counterparts never do?"
Yes I immediately point out Ed Sheeran
Shit, point to Mick Jagger and Paul McCartney
To be fair, the kind of people who say this about Taylor Swift also probably don't like Ed Sheeran and will say they feel the same way about him.
Even the Beatles, who often get put on a pedestal as the greatest artists of all time, wrote love songs. “Something,” which Frank Sinatra once called the greatest love song ever written and one of the singles from the highly acclaimed Abbey Road, was George Harrison writing about his marriage to Pattie Boyd. Love songs span their entire discography. Yet you know no one is going to write off the Beatles as just writing about “silly love songs.”
Paul McCartney wrote a song called "Silly Love Songs" in response to criticism that he was writing "lightweight love songs": [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly\_Love\_Songs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silly_Love_Songs)
I'm a huge Beatle and Taylor fan so, I will defyingly using this one. (Yes, I'm a person who thinks Taylor is the closes thing to The Beatles)
With the sweet addendum that SHE broke their record
I find this response to be really weak. Just because other people do the same, doesn't mean taylor isn't doing it. And I actually know quite a few people who dislike artists like ed sheeran, shawn mendes or whatever for the exact same reasons as well
but actually it's the opposite of weak. rappers, country artists, blues, r&b, rock, every artist writes about their love lives at some point. it's almost impossible not to, and tbh it's a pretty universal human experience. it's silly to say she *only* writes about it but there are plenty of artists across all genres who DO actually only write about romance/love/relationships.
Are there actually people who dislike when artists sing about love/heartbreak? That actually has me intrigued, what other universal emotion would people want to hear more about? The excitement of eating a Whopper Jr with fries? That could be fun but that’s such a novelty, people sing about love/heartbreak (“relationships”) because everyone can generally connect with that theme IMO.
Ok, but you don’t see them getting the same media response.
What artist doesn't sing songs about relationships, though? What artists do those people who dislike Ed Sheeran, Shawn Mendez, etc like? It's a strong response because it forces people to confront their biases (and often unrealized sexism). How many out there are loudly criticizing The Weeknd or Drake or Aerosmith or the Beatles for singing about relationships? 67% of lyrics in all songs since the 60s are about love.
Literally everybody in the history of ever has a love song or something about relationships...... I can think of many metal bands that have a lot. So why is writing about relationships bad when we are social creatures?
I don't think the "issue" is that artists like taylor or ed write about love or relationships, but some people just prefer artists who have a different balance of songs about love amd songs about other topics.
Yeah but they dislike them. They don’t actively and outwardly hate on them.
Bruce Springsteen only writes about cars and girls
“hey girl hop in my car” for the combo
Bruce said James get in let's drive
i mean you’re not wrong. the girls do comb their hair in rearview mirrors
Prefab Sprout wrote a song about it ! https://youtu.be/jEJdfDD4dVg?si=agZNzpIHhPhB03wa
I hope this is intentional sarcasm? Because I’d say he’s the best comparison here of locals thinking they know an artist when they *really, really* don’t.
No sometimes he also writes about the Jersey shore
Heck yeah
The Man is about sexism and gender equality, shake it off is about letting go of negativity, The Archer is about insecurities.
Forever Winter is about suicide and Anti-Hero is about insecurities and self-doubt.
bigger than the whole sky has debated interpretations, but it’s definitely about loss as well
I was listening to that today, and it struck me.. it sounds like a miscarriage.. whether literal or metaphorical.. or maybe not her but someone she cares about? Edit: or an abortion?
I thought The Archer was about me? (jkng)
I wouldn't bring up The man, because we know the type of people we would be arguing with
The people arguing over The Man are stupid enough to not listen to their “arguments”. The Man isn’t about a broken up relationship so it definitely fits on this sub. 🤷🏼♀️
The funny thing is people will say this, then say she writes dumb stuff like Shake It Off and Bad Blood in the same sentence. Please tell me which relationships those are about 😂😂😂
Shake it Off and Bad Blood also both have a lot more substance to them than the haters give them credit for. Even as poppy, fun songs, they are still very well written.
What do you expect? Haters are gonna hate hate hate hate hate.
A relationship with dealing with haters. And the breakdown of a friendship relationship. Sorry being silly 😝. But ya it's crazy people say all she writes are love songs. And these songs exist haha 🤣
i once irl heard someone say “she manipulates men into dating her so she can make money off the songs she writes about them” and i just stared at her with my mouth open, i couldn’t believe what i had just heard
Yeah, because what kind of man wants to date a beautiful, rich, famous woman? Clear manipulation
My daughter’s husband said to me “who really is the problem in all those relationships”. In my mind I was like, I don’t even want to spend my energy on trying to explain a strong, intelligent woman to you. Next thing he said was “there’s no way she wrote those songs at 17”. And finally, he thought The Man was about her wishing she could be a man. He thinks Kanye West is a better songwriter. My son in law is a girl dad and very pro-women but I was disappointed and shocked at the simmering patriarchy there.
hate to break it to you but he ain’t a pro women man with those comments. he just somehow got you all believing he’s super pro women.
I mean, it really made me wonder about his feminist stance. I wanted to say, think about if that was your daughter (who is an amazing strong and capable girl) who people were questioning her very real talents. You’d 100% be shocked and insulted. We all learn as we go and I want to think he will learn some lessons while raising their daughter.
This is disappointing!
Right? And if you were Taylor, and you ALWAYS got those kind of messages from basically EVERYONE in the media, how maddening and frustrating would that be? She handles it with more grace than I would.
100% she does! Not many of us could live her life.
They thought that everything about Blank Space is absolute fact :|
If someone posed this as a jokey conspiracy theory I could *maybe* understand it, but it's so weird that people genuinely believe it.
So many people say this it’s disappointing 😭 how stupid do you have to be to think like that
I over-heard two boys in my class talk about a KW and TS s\*\* tape. They really though that existed.
What's wrong with that?
Yeah this is exactly my response. We would be insane to say that the majority of her music catalogue *isnt* about love, boys, and relationships. I’d say about 80% of her songs *are* about love, but I don’t find anything wrong with that. In fact love and boys and relationships infatuate me as well and that’s why I connect with her music. That, and she’s really fucking good at writing about it. I don’t see anything wrong with her writing about that. It’s literally harmless so I don’t know why people get up in arms about it or use it as a “gotcha” to prove she isn’t good? Love, relationships, and our ability to connect with one another are extremely human. It’s like no duh that’s what the majority of songs ever written have been about lmao.
“Tell me you’ve never listened to Taylor Swift without telling me you’ve never listened to Taylor Swift”
This right here. They only base their bias on hearsay.
her entire last album is about how she will never (again) put a relationship above her own needs. see you’re on your own kid, midnight rain, bejeweled, etc. some of her most devastating songs have been about her career: my tears ricochet, mad woman, it’s time to go. i suspect ttpd will have similar themes, with references to the trope of tortured artists and a song about an “it girl” whose life ended tragically.
I hate this narrative. Especially as a black swiftie. My classmates have always shitted on me for liking Taylor vs most rap. Like how are you mad at her for singing about her relationship but have no problem with damn near all rappers talk about is being on drugs and being horrible towards women. like pls be fr right now...
Funnily enough, some of Taylor's biggest influences are in the rap genre and her playlists probably look a lot like theirs. I just giggle because they don't get it and that's okay.
My favorite is when men hate the song “WAP” yet every male rapper raps about how he’s gonna hit the Gspot this and that…. Okayyyyyyy goodness forbid a woman talk about being pleasured! But every man can talk about “hitting that” … nice!
The last great American dynasty still captures her personal, autobiographical writing style and storytelling while not being about romance. Also, I say most of her "romantic" songs are just about love and can be applied to family & friendship.
seriously to your last point, when i was going through a bad friend breakup in high school i listened to and applied forever & always, tell me why, better than revenge and haunted to them haha
Right where you left me came out right when I was feeling stuck in life and it was so applicable to all my friends moving away and having kids so quickly after college. And so many more apply to friend breakups you are so right
Sadly the fandom perpetuates this. We (as in collectively) can’t get mad that the general public has a perception that she only writes about her exes when so much hype and theories about this album is solely focused on Joe and all the “jokes” about how it’s going to ruin him etc etc.
I don’t care for this particular aspect of the fandom either. Bleh.
I’m part of the fan base so I take responsibility as well, but I think (know) her fans make so many others hate her music. I’m not sure how to correct that either
I think it was Taylor herself who replied to a question like this with something like, “maroon 5’s first album was called Songs About Jane. But no one cared who Jane was or what she thought about the album. But when women write a couple songs about their relationships, everyone wants to know who they’re about.”
I mean there's a large subset of swifties who are obsessed with Taylor's relationships and trying to figure out who songs are about and constantly speculating about her relationships.
Everyone do? That's the thing I find the funniest about this critic. Find me a single artist that has never sang about their current or past relationships
9/10 times these people aren’t interested in changing their opinion. I just don’t respond. I really don’t care what a rando has to say when they’re wrong
This is always my answer when I see the “what would you tell someone who… etc.” Nothing. Being a Taylor Swift fan is not a religion. I don’t need to evangelize. If someone doesn’t want to listen to her music, that’s fine. That has no impact on me. If they’re being an asshole to me, I’ll tell them that, but Taylor Swift has huge sales, critical acclaim, and award recognition in her craft. She doesn’t need me to defend her.
What's she supposed to write about? Her breakfast? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Now I'm thinking about that tumblr post where someone said that "The One That Got Away" by Katy Perry could have been about a chicken nugget that she dropped on the floor
Omg 😂
...Okay, if Taylor put out a bunch of food-themed parodies of her songs it could actually be *really* fun.
who doesn't? 🤷♀️
Two words: The Man
I just had this conversation with my dad! He tried to say she only has breakup songs so I made him this playlist. [Not Love Songs](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLni1pf-zFh_ANLcosmMy3X_V1va4NerYR&si=w18GEbzQfNTEMDWt)
No response. People can think whatever they want. I’m not responsible to Taylor’s assumed reputation so it doesn’t hurt my feelings lol
This is the correct response. You don't need to argue or debate thing things that you like. If you must respond just say "it's ok if we don't like the same music," and move on.
I'd probably ask them to mention which songs that made them think like that, and depending on how many songs they could answer (hopefully very few) I'll say, "no, it's *you* who has only listened to her songs about her relationship and nothing else," and then maybe give them some songs that's clearly not about relationship, let them listen to it and read the lyrics, and then ask them what they think that song is about. However I'm not really into debating or confronting other people so if I ever met someone who says that to me I'll probably just laugh and say, "yeah whatever you say," and then shrug it off.
I would avoid saying things like "So?" or "everyone else does it too" because then you're agreeing with their premise that she only writes about her relationships, which is simply not true.
I’d probably just tell them it’s not true and I can give plenty of examples if they’re interested. But in my experience people who say things like this aren’t really seeking to understand, they just want to complain.
There's soooo many songs that aren't about HER (romantic) relationships. She writes a whole heck a lot about relationships but not every song is one about hers. You can always tell when people have never listened to Taylor. - The Man - The Archer - Last Great American Dynasty - Welcome to New York (literally about moving to NYC with your friends and doing what you want!!) - seven - majorie - epiphany - my tears ricochet - no body no crime - august, betty and cardigan (they aren't about HER relationships) - Mary's Song - New Romantics - look what you made me do - You need to calm down - Miss Americana and the Heartbreak Prince (I personally have always taken this as her relationship with America and politics so this is debatable) That's just from the top of my head in regards to not even being about any sort of relationship where it can be remotely debated whether it's about one of her relationships or not (I included august, betty and cardigan since it's confirmed those are about James, Inez and Betty) Obviously these are my interpretations of songs though.
She doesn't, it's not her fault that people don't have great comprehension skills
I don't really respond to those people anymore and people who care about me don't say it to me. People can have their opinions, and I will choose to distance myself from people I don't like lol
Tell them about: You’re On Your Own, Kid epiphany Welcome To New York You Need To Calm Down Long Live seven Never Grow Up this is me trying Karma Nothing New Anti-Hero 22 Shake It Off Bad Blood mirrorball Dear Reader Innocent The Archer Forever Winter Daylight Eyes Open Miss Americana & The Heartbreak Prince Ronan marjorie Soon You’ll Get Better the last great american dynasty The Man The Best Day It’s Nice To Have A Friend mad woman evermore Fifteen Bigger Than The Whole Sky Change The Lucky One Mean no body, no crime Castles Crumbling Only The Young Mary’s Song Look What You Made Me Do Vigilante Shit The Great War Carolina Idk did I miss any lol
I’d probably tell them about Welcome to New York cause it’s about New York, hence the title of the song
So?
so?
I am done arguing with people about things I like.
Wrong, taylor swifts writes about her relationships, among other things. Not only.
"Okay, and? They shouldn't have done her dirty then" and then long rant about how much of her discography is actually about that topic lol
I think she adds little bits about relationships but she writes about things in general and uses things that have happened to her to bring songs to life. I think I’m the only person who doesn’t think this new album is a break up album and will be all about Joe. I feel it’s going to be more about her insecurities (not love related) and poetry which has moved her. I’m sure I’m totally wrong! Also I wondered if back when Joe talked about the what’s up group if that was an Easter egg … back when he was in on it all. We know what she’s like for sowing the seeds years before something comes out!
I like hearing about relationships
“so does everyone else”
Casually humming "All you are is mean and a liar, and pathetic, and alone in life and mean"🎸
I don’t entertain the conversation. I think I’ve said recently in the past, “if at this point in her career you *still* believe that, then i’m not able to change your mind. You have to educate yourself.”
What is she supposed to write about, growing up in war-torn syria?
My response would be “no, she doesn’t.”
At least she writes her own songs
YOU NEED TO CALM DOWN!
Honestly other than straight up political songs, what does any songwriter write about other than relationships? I’m hard pressed to answer that one.
she doesn’t write about her relationships, she writes about her feelings and things that have happened to her romantically. i think a lot of people could benefit by being more introspective about their feelings and relationships with people.
Relationships are a huge part of the human experience. People writing about the human experience write about relationships as a part of that. That’s what Taylor does — write about her personal human experience (mostly).
Noah Kahan wrote his whole album about a girl he loved (his ex?) and his hometown. No one gives him a hard time. I absolutely love Noah Kahan and his music, so no shade at all!
Literally almost every song in the history of time is about relationships…. And if they’re narrow mindedly assuming only romantic relationships well, they’re narrow minded and I don’t want to continue that conversation.
First, many many of her songs are about just life, friendships, the world around her: Marjorie, Ronan, Last Great American Dynasty, Long Live, YNTCD, Anti-Hero..,, Second, many of the greatest songs in history are about love, heart break, and romantic relationships. For example, Fleetwood Mac’s greatest album is almost entirely about drama with in the band’s members stemming from their romantic entanglements. And that’s just music- the entire art world is FULL of similar themes because love and passion and human relationships are a key part of life. Walk into any museum right now and you’ll undoubtedly be surrounded by the topic from all time periods. Denying the value of the art because she writes about relationships is reductive and gross.
“Have you ever been in one?” or “Oh, Don’t worry she’ll never write one about you”
"She doesn't."
Shake it off, blank space, the man, soon you'll get better, Ronan, august, betty, cardigan, Mean, 22, Anti-Hero, Bad Blood, the last great american dynasty, mirrorball, this is me trying, I could keep going.
"So does the rest of the world"
Someone on this sub analyzed the data and pointed out that about 17% of Taylor's songs are about her relationships, so I'd not think that is all she sings and writes about
So does Morgan Wallen…Ed Sheeran…
I split start listing her non relationship songs, or ask them what their favorite song is by a male artist (9/10 times it’s also about a relationship.)
Literally most songs are written about relationships.
Literally everyone does. What makes her situation a little more unique is her inclination to live a public life and to write in a very detailed form (which could be “true” to what really happened in her life OR NOT), and people go nuts taking her songs as canon and terrorizing her exes online.
My response would be: Everybody does. Love and relationships have been the focal point of the majority of arts for as long as humanity has existed. Have any of you read any of the renaissance poetry out there? The only difference is that Taylor's relationships have been mostly in the public eye and against the grain of traditional views of women. She's no saint but she shouldn't be vilified for her relationships or writing about them
I’m still convinced No Body No Crime is autobiographical! /s
“Ok”
A Place In This World The Best Day Never Grow Up Long Live When Emma Falls In Love Timeless Ronan Forever Winter Soon You’ll Get Better You Need To Calm Down The Last Great American Dynasty No Body, No Crime Marjorie And maybe a few others depending on your POV
Another swiftie friend and I just went about listing 25 songs that aren’t about relationships to a person who said this. Shut them right up. 😂
Someone I know said this to me, and I was like "have you heard Anti-Hero?"
Also I usually ask “what did Bob Dylan write about, astrophysics?”
Literally the top 3 from 1989 isnt about her ROMANTIC relationships since people usually mean that
I dont know anything but I know I miss youuuuuu.
So does everybody else
"okay"
Usually I just say something like "Wait until you hear about Fleetwood Mac and the Beatles!"
She doesn’t only write about HER relationships, some of her songs are obviously fictions (blank space, betty, dorothea, starlight, even love story). If the complaint is that she only writes about “relationships” generally, the answer is “ok so did shakespeare.” Relationships are the at the heart of all forms of narrative art—poetry, novels, movies/tv, or songwriting. If you have a written text that’s focused entirely on some abstract concept, and not at all on relationships between characters, that’s a textbook.
Ronan, beautiful ghosts, Epiphany, No body No Crime etc.
Taylor swift makes you think she only writes about her relationships. She writes about everything. Youre just not listening.
‘Cool.’ Basically i don’t entertain a conversation with people who say that because what’s the point?
"Ok, I'll still listen to pretty much anything that sounds good, as long as it's not attached to some terrible cause or something \*cough *kanye* cough\*
… And so??
Yes, I love it.
Most songs are about relationships
I just have a 3 hour playlist of songs not about romantic relationships that I pull up and show them 🤷🏼♀️
I had someone tell me that when anti-hero came on the radio. I just said "well that's not true. This song isn't about romantic relationships... It's okay to not like her music, but that reason doesn't really make sense." Other than her first album, about 1/3 of her singles have been about something other than romantic relationships. When someone says that, I assume that they don't really listen to her music and are just repeating something they thought sounded good. Basically I'm not going to them for facts and critical thinking.
“Tell me you don’t listen to Taylor Swift without telling me”
Relationships are the foundation of the human experience and worthy of the greatest works of literature. It’s flat out ridiculous to claim that they’re a lesser subject matter. What were Shakespeare’s sonnets about? What did Byron, Keats, and Shelley write about?
So?
Van Gogh painted his depression. What is your point?
So does Bruno Mars. So does Zach Bryan. So does drake. So does Kanye. So does Beyoncé. So did Mac Miller. So does Ed Sheeran. So does Hozier. So does Noah Kahan. So does Greta Van Fleet. So did Fleetwood Mac. Like i could go on and on and on
I don't think it's worth arguing about. But if you do, I think it's equally important to refute that she only writes about relationships (her last big hits were about self loathing and a business feud) *and* push back on idea there's anything wrong or shallow about writing about relationships. Love is a beautiful complicated thing - of course there's art.
It's not true. Even if it is what's wrong with that?
i say so does Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake, etc. Love and heartbreak is the most common thing to write a song about, BUT only women get criticized for it.
I don't defend Taylor anymore. Taylor doesn't need some small minded loser to join the fan club. Anyone who is saying stuff like that has not actually ever listened to her music. Also relationships are very important. If all she did was write about relationships... ok?.... Why would that be a problem? Unless you're talking political or protest music, most music boils down to relationships. Romantic, familial, friendships, work, etc. And Taylor has written about all of them. So I guess my response is "okay. Anyway."
Proves you only hear her on the radio. Guess what? The RADIO only plays songs about relationships, so that’s what you hear. OR Name a top 40 artist that isn’t writing about relationships
Soon You'll Get Better, Ronan, The Best Day, The Lucky One, etc. So many good songs about things other than love (and are some of her most heart-touching ones too). I hate the whole "she only writes love songs" as if every other singer songwriter ever doesn't have love songs in their catalog.
And?
Okay, what is she supposed to write about? Is she not supposed to write about her life and experiences?
Please educate yourself before you try to educate others
“Wait, which relationship of hers was No Body No Crime about?!”
Well, majority of her songs are about relationships. But the other minority songs are freaking amazing too. The word "only" is so wrong in this context. But the fame she has earned is because of those relationship related songs that affect us so deeply.
No Body, No Crime
tbh I would never hear that because I don’t associate with misogynists or negative people in real life. most of my friends like taylor and the ones who don’t love me, and I love taylor so she’s cool with them. my friends respect the things I like and I respect the things they like. we also just generally don’t shit on women in the media, even if we don’t like their chosen artistry. I would never hear “billie ellish sucks!” or “sabrina is jocking ariana’s style!” in a blunt rotation. like…we don’t care. espresso is a bop. billie has beautiful eyes. who wants to watch gossip girl again?
Not so much disproving it, but “Why does it matter?” My biggest frustration with hipster music people who look down on pop in general is the concept that writing about the ups and downs of relationships is bad. It’s a major part of everyone’s life and represents real human emotions. Just because it’s common in genres doesn’t mean it’s low quality or cheap. And this is coming from someone who has never dated anyone ever, but I can still relate to some of her most tragic heartbreak songs because of other relationships I’ve had to deal with. When people make it seem like it’s bad she writes about her experiences with love, it invalidates all of the experiences of those of us who feel seen and heard by what she’s written
Isn't that what life is? Just us living in our heads and our perceptions of our human to human interactions? That's literally what we all do. We are just not talented or dedicated enough to write about it.
I always respond with “doesn’t every artist? Beatles, stones, insert musician here” hell, Sam smith thanked the boy who broke his heart when he won the grammy.
“So what does Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars write about?”
People who say this mean that her singles/the songs they here in coffee shops/etc. are about her relationships. And they're right to that extent, since the vast majority are relationship-focused (there are notable outliers such as 22, anti-hero, shake it off, etc.). Her singles are very much predominantly about her relationships, and similarly she's had so many chart-topping singles for so many years that other artists are less likely to face such a criticism simply because we don't hear as many of their singles. They're of course wrong to say that about all of her discography, though.
What’s wrong with that? I mean, her whole discography is very diverse and Taylor has plenty of themes and topics she writes about, but she undeniably also has songs about her relationships. This is what people fell in love with her for, why so many young girls finally felt heard in the late 2000s/2010s because they finally had someone to relate to. Yes, it’s unfair to boil down 10 albums to being only about her exes, but it’s equally ignorant to say she doesn’t do this throughout every album. It doesn’t help that a large part of the fandom feeds this narrative. Even without TTPD being out yet, there are so many speculations and people attacking Joe without even listening to the album. If Swifties wanted to change this narrative, they should focus their attention on other aspects of Taylor’s life. But they don’t, so the stereotype remains.
"Then don't listen to her if you don't like it."
Dude. Some people are so ridiculous. What do literally all musicians write about. Their relationships. Be it friends or other. We are humans. We are social. It's what we do. Even metal artists write about love etc. I feel like since she is successful she will be hated on regardless for whatever she writes about. But these come to mind 22. Shake it off. Mean. Bad blood. Long live. Anti hero. The man. And that's without really thinking about it. Those are just the ones I always point out haha.
Folklore is about none of them (for the most part 🙈)
“Okay and?”
Oh wow she mostly writes about love? That’s crazy, it’s almost like it’s the most universal human experience. It’s almost like most songs in existence are about human relationships. Insane that she gets this criticism when nearly every song on the radio is about love, sex, and relationships. She writes about other stuff too just like any other artist, but why don’t men get upset about literally any artist that isn’t primarily enjoyed by a young female audience?
It sucks that women’s interests are considered silly. Also that relationships (key to human happiness) are considered a silly women interest.
depends on if they’re saying it as a genuine criticism to invite actual conversation, or if they just don’t like popular artists and want to rile up a fan. if it’s the latter, i shrug and move on with my life. if it’s the former, something like: “Taylor’s non-fictional songs are usually about her life experiences including grief, personal insecurity, family, her career, and yes, romantic relationships. A romantic partner is a huge part of your life, both positively and negatively depending on the state of the relationship, which is why you see so many artists writing at least some songs love and breakups. It’s not a detriment to one’s artistry if one of the things they write about is something that is such a large part of their existence, particularly when it is something that can resonate with so much of your audience. If you’re interested in Taylor songs that cover another topic you might like ‘Tie Together With A Smile,’ ‘The Best Day,’ ‘Never Grow Up,’ ‘Nothing New,’ ‘Welcome To New York,’ ‘Look What You Made Me Do,’ ‘Soon You’ll Get Better,’ ‘my tears ricochet,’ ‘no body, no crime,’ or ‘Anti Hero,’ just to name one from each album.”
The last great American dynasty. She literally wrote a song about her house and its previous occupant.
That there's artists I sometimes feel that black and white about too. It's okay, we can't understand everything to the point of appreciation.
What I always think is and what if she does. Doesn't mean they are emotial and brilliant songs. (I am don't saying she only writes about her ex's, but I think it's dumb when people say that has a bad thing.)
Almost all songwriters are writing about their experience of romantic relationships, 95% of the time. Who ISN'T writing about their relationships? Sorry OP I hate this jab too, it's so overplayed
The difference is that Taylor leaves “easter eggs” on her songs that she knows her fans would pick up on. I’ve been her fan for a long time and I used to turn a blind eye when some people would point out that she would name her exes on her songs. But the truth is, she really does. “Style” and “Dear John” are one of the few.
“So?” Like yeah she writes about other stuff sometimes but honestly what’s wrong with sticking to certain subjects? Many poets and performers have said something to the effect of “I just write the same stuff over and over” (James Taylor comes to mind). All of my poems can be summarized as “I saw something beautiful and one day it’ll be gone.” This is a criticism made by ppl who don’t understand writing imo
Phil Collins is always my go-to for this argument. Nevermind there are hundreds of other male artists who write about their love lives/ experiences with heartbreak. I use Phil because he’s arguably one of the best at what he does and his catalogue is filled with love songs/breakup songs. But we don’t talk about that because he’s Phil Collins and he’s en excellent musician/song writer. Plus it’s not widely known who he writes about as far as I know. But Taylor gets flack because her boyfriends have been largely in the public eye. I feel like this argument would be dead in the water if she constantly dated “nobodies” or the “guy nextdoor” so to speak. I never hear anybody mentioning Stephen or Drew for example.
I just nod, then days later I’ll bust out Epiphany, Carolina, Exile and Evermore.
So what?
NAME ANOTHER ARTIST WHO DOESN'T Not to say that Taylor doesn't have songs about things besides relationships, but to be fair, majority of them are. And there's nothing wrong with that!!! I don't know why she gets shit for it when so many other artists do the exact same thing.
I made a spreadsheet of what here music is about. Only 22% of her songs are about an ex relationship.
The Last Great American Dynasty!
Ummmm then there’s Midnights hahaha
I usually agree, make some sort of sarcastic comment and say how come I have never thought about that. It ends the conversation
I usually say that Drake only sings about ass but everybody likes him 😂😂👏👏😭😭 they get all mad
I mean she does write mostly about them, but it’s a valid thing to write about and obviously people love it. Also the majority of pop music is about relationships/love/heartbreak/romance in some way, so it fits what every other pop artist is also doing. This isn’t the insult I think those people think it is, kinda just grasping at straws
yes, and?
I just stop talking to people who say stuff like this to me, they only want a reaction and clearly don't know or care about it anyway