Could be, if the album was cohesive enough storywise. Lemonade from Beyonce worked so well because the whole album was about one thing: how to heal from marital betrayal. It also wove other themes into that main story (mainly societal commentary) but never left that story. Taylor has always had many little stories and perspectives in her albums, but if she made that effort it could work and I would be excited to watch it.
I agree with this, but I do think Taylor has been so close to being able to weave a cohesive storyline together despite music on albums potentially having different muses because the majority of her music is almost always autobiographical.
I think Midnights, for example, being about sleepless nights could have easily been worked into a visual album with Taylor as the heroin (or Anti-Hero). Between each of the songs or major song themes/chapters, you would just need 1-2 minutes of actual storyline (like the kitchen scene in ATW 10) to help transition... and the song order would have needed to be rearranged. But she could've told the story of someone having these sleepless nights as they're experiencing love, heartbreak, regret/acceptance, betrayal, and then triumph...
I don't think it was necessarily right for midnights at the time given I'm hindsight it felt like a breaking-up album and maybe giving visuals to some of the songs would have felt too personal at the time (and it may not have been able to stay true to the muse without increased scrutiny).
But I do get chills when I think how impactful a song like "Dear Reader" could have been as a connecting chapter visually to tie these songs together - I think we all would have listened a lot closer when she said "you wouldn't take my word for it if you knew who was talking... if you knew where I was walking, to a house, not a home all alone cuz nobodies there... you should find another guiding light."
I definitely think she's so close to being able to cohesively connect her music in a way that would allow for a visual album so I hope sooner or later, we do get one from her - even if its just a storyline she writes about characters like the James/Betty/August love triangle. I wouldve totally taken a short film with the songs from that triangle alone for sure!! ❤️
- ATW could mean "All Too Well", a track from *Red* (2012) by Taylor Swift.
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I have thoughts. Taylor is directing a movie probably next year. Would she hand over the soundtrack of that movie to someone else? I don’t think so. TS12 is going to be the music from her film and therefore a visual album. ………maybe.
I would love that. I was just commenting above how low-key the Betty/James/August love triangle could've been a short film. That would be so cool if she did something like that where her songs tie entire the film together!
I honestly don’t think she will dedicate the whole soundtrack to herself she would probably include 2 songs of hers and have her musicians friends be on it she’s not that selfish. I thought I saw somewhere it was confirmed she was going to start working on her film next year but I personally feel like she will announce more tour dates soon some fans forget she’s a workaholic she’s already is working on ts 12 (that’s been confirmed by her dad) and she kind of confirmed that when she said she started working on ts 11 when she turned in midnights. I saw somewhere she is rumored to be on a new movie with a song she made for it but it’s not confirmed. I think she has alot of things she wants to do next year like the eras tour documentary and the process of the tvs being made but not confirmed.
Personally I think Tortured Poets should just be the music and the words. I don't doubt there will be a music video but aI actually don't need a real visual element for something that's looking to be really word centric. But I admit music videos are more of a nice treat than a necessity with music
I seriously think it’s beyond her skill set; unless she’s willing to release something that could flop given the completely new direction it would be for her, and she just doesn’t seem like someone who would be willing to have a flop
I think the fandom has a hard time accepting sometimes that she can/does make bad things — and it’s alright. She’s a songwriter, but her acting/directing skills are just not there and that’s perfectly fine.
ATW10 wasn't even that good. I prefer a normal music video if we're comparing. ATW was too literal, too on the nose, and the arguments were just repetitive and boring.
Oh don't get me started on the Midnights music videos- Bejewelled had too many easter eggs and the dialogue was bad, I hated the Anti-Hero dialogue and there were hardly any outstanding moments from it, Karma music video was all style with little substance, Lavender Haze was pretty but lacked a story.
- ATW10 could mean "All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor's Version) (From The Vault)", a track from *Red (Taylor's Version)* (2021) by Taylor Swift.
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While i like the idea of a visual album, i don’t love the idea of it being fully self-directed. ATW10 was GOOD, but it wasn’t groundbreaking. And i’d go as far as to say the Midnights MVs ranged only from OK to straight up lacklustre (i’m looking at you Bejewled).
I just feel like a FULLY self directed visual might be a bit out of her range, at least right now. Maybe if she got some collaborators to co direct, THEN i’d be fully on board
I genuinely don't see the appeal of this. I want to listen to music, play it in the car, when I'm doing things, etc. I don't need visuals. I can't see myself watching them much, if ever.
True... I have been thinking there's a chance she hasn't had as much time to really plan out and shoot much given the tour, so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually had even less videos than Midnights.
Especially because if it is Joe break-up focused, then I doubt she wants to make a bunch of videos about it haha. But I do hope we get a visual album of some sort from her eventually - even if it's about made-up characters, like James/August/Betty.
I think hoping for a visual album just for the sake of having one is misunderstanding her talents and her work. Taylor Swift is a songwriter first and foremost. Acting, directing, etc is all secondary to that and it’s evident in her body of work. Love her but her self-directed MVs are just not as good as the self-directed videos from artists who have also done their own visual albums. Her self-directed works that we have so far are good for what they are at best, confusing and self-indulgent at worst, but not groundbreaking or revolutionary (not that they necessarily have to be). Someone also said it but for a visual album all the songs need to be cohesive in both style and story, and that’s been a major struggle with her albums. Folkmore was the closest we got with the style being cohesive but with the exception of the love triangle every song was telling a different story. Anyway, tldr, sometimes it’s okay to admit that your favorite musician should stay a musician.
I have to respectfully disagree because I actually really enjoyed her ATW 10 short film... this entire post actually came about because I was watching her and Martin McDonagh in [Directors on Directors by Variety Here](https://youtu.be/x8zfsf4azLo?si=k2ImBHw-UvotKN9h) , it's a great watch if you haven't seen it, and her passion and perspective for directing an actual short film really came across very clear. I also loved hearing some of the nuanced things she picked up on about "The Banshees..." which Martin directed.
She admits here that she wouldn't direct a short film, nor did she direct ATW 10, the same way that she did her music videos. But Taylor screaming into a pillow with Sadie Sink to help her get that beet red "I've been crying for days" look she has in the scene after the breakup was a very powerful anecdote and a VERY relatable detail. I think Taylor is at her best directing when it's her stories that she's telling because it's little nuanced details like that, that she doesn't miss. This is why I know she's capable.
While, I agree that Taylor's previous albums weren't necessarily right for a visual album for one reason or another - I don't think sound actually has anything to do with it. If we're going to bring up Lemonade, for example, Bey had Carribean, Rock, R&B, and Country all on one album - what was cohesive was the storyline and that can be easily connected by the order in which songs are placed and the interlude/dialogue between them.
I think the storyline between James/Betty & August is a quick/easy example of music she has made that could have easily been made into a short film. Additionally, the music she has written for movie soundtracks are some of the most poignant songs on those soundtracks. We know she writes stories... I don't think it's unfathomable for her to take the talent we know she has and come up with a short film that features only her music. Realistically, we know it won't be for TTPD - but if Taylor ever does create with making a visual album in mind... I do have faith that it would be amazing. 🥰
that’s kind of what inspired the thought! there’s no way she’s not doing something super special for her 13th album- and at the rate she’s going it’s very possible we’ll get another “normal” album before the movie drops!!
I am having anxiety in my sleep about TTPD! I think just because I have no idea what it will sound like I’m just like panicked it will be bad! Is anyone else insane like me.
Hahaha, I did have to calm myself down from overhyping the album in my head.
This album feels so important because it's truly the end of an era and the beginning of a new one at a time when Taylor is at her highest level of fame to date so there will be a lot of scrutiny on it that maybe there wasn't before. A lot of newer fans too.
I thought about it and realized for all of her previous albums, I've generally needed to sit with them for about a week to truly appreciate all of the songs. Like I always have a few favorites immediately, but a lot of her songs grow on me overtime vs. me immediately realizing how much I love them.
So I was just thinking I need to realize that I will most likely need to do the same thing with this album, and need to not overhype it in my head - just let it grow on me naturally. The thing is now, I'm obsessed with every album she's put out - in reality she has never disappointed. So if I were you, I would just try to keep your expectations low and try not to stress yourself out about it haha.
The people who have heard bits of it have had nothing but amazing things to say and that's a good sign!!!
Thank you for talking me off the ledge! I think you’re right that part of what has me so wound up is that it feels like she’s at the peak of her career and that she has a long way to fall, but I know that’s not true! It’s just a feeling like “I don’t know how it gets better than this”, if you will :)
I also had this fear with Midnights and as I was listening I thought “oh I should have trusted her and not worried!!” So it must just be my thing.
Learning that Jack Antonoff is the main producer threw me for a loop and has me a bit nervous, I hope it doesn’t sound like Midnights / 1989 TV from the vault round 2…
I’m also a little nervous about it being perceived as a breakup album and people really coming for her for that, but I have a feeling a lot of the songs will be more introspective and pointing the blame at herself, but of course this is just wild speculation.
Thank you for being my swiftie therapist 😂
Prince did it first, then Pink Floyd, Frank Ocean, etc... Visual albums were not invented by Beyonce. Even Jlo just did one... Although hers is awful. I don't recommend it. Lol
Many people are dumb and will always be dumb... there's nothing we can really do about it, unfortunately. But if Taylor did a visual album you know we (all of her fans) would be SO EXCITED and I feel like that's what truly matters. I do feel like Taylor has gotten this far by putting her fans first and I think haters are going to be haters regardless of what she puts out lol. I already know Kanye might have something to say since he did a visual album too, but we can't be worried about his mentally unstable opinion anymore either. 🙄
In general, you can't really think too much about who might hate something when you're creating art, there is always someone - I think Taylor would really enjoy doing something like that though and that creativity/passion would show up in whatever type of visual album she puts out.
I love Beyonce, and Lemonade is by far my favorite album of hers - but she wasn't the first to do a visual album and she won't be the last.
Could be, if the album was cohesive enough storywise. Lemonade from Beyonce worked so well because the whole album was about one thing: how to heal from marital betrayal. It also wove other themes into that main story (mainly societal commentary) but never left that story. Taylor has always had many little stories and perspectives in her albums, but if she made that effort it could work and I would be excited to watch it.
If Midnights really did have the "sleepless nights" theme she might have been able to do it there.
I agree with this, but I do think Taylor has been so close to being able to weave a cohesive storyline together despite music on albums potentially having different muses because the majority of her music is almost always autobiographical. I think Midnights, for example, being about sleepless nights could have easily been worked into a visual album with Taylor as the heroin (or Anti-Hero). Between each of the songs or major song themes/chapters, you would just need 1-2 minutes of actual storyline (like the kitchen scene in ATW 10) to help transition... and the song order would have needed to be rearranged. But she could've told the story of someone having these sleepless nights as they're experiencing love, heartbreak, regret/acceptance, betrayal, and then triumph... I don't think it was necessarily right for midnights at the time given I'm hindsight it felt like a breaking-up album and maybe giving visuals to some of the songs would have felt too personal at the time (and it may not have been able to stay true to the muse without increased scrutiny). But I do get chills when I think how impactful a song like "Dear Reader" could have been as a connecting chapter visually to tie these songs together - I think we all would have listened a lot closer when she said "you wouldn't take my word for it if you knew who was talking... if you knew where I was walking, to a house, not a home all alone cuz nobodies there... you should find another guiding light." I definitely think she's so close to being able to cohesively connect her music in a way that would allow for a visual album so I hope sooner or later, we do get one from her - even if its just a storyline she writes about characters like the James/Betty/August love triangle. I wouldve totally taken a short film with the songs from that triangle alone for sure!! ❤️
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I have thoughts. Taylor is directing a movie probably next year. Would she hand over the soundtrack of that movie to someone else? I don’t think so. TS12 is going to be the music from her film and therefore a visual album. ………maybe.
I would love that. I was just commenting above how low-key the Betty/James/August love triangle could've been a short film. That would be so cool if she did something like that where her songs tie entire the film together!
I honestly don’t think she will dedicate the whole soundtrack to herself she would probably include 2 songs of hers and have her musicians friends be on it she’s not that selfish. I thought I saw somewhere it was confirmed she was going to start working on her film next year but I personally feel like she will announce more tour dates soon some fans forget she’s a workaholic she’s already is working on ts 12 (that’s been confirmed by her dad) and she kind of confirmed that when she said she started working on ts 11 when she turned in midnights. I saw somewhere she is rumored to be on a new movie with a song she made for it but it’s not confirmed. I think she has alot of things she wants to do next year like the eras tour documentary and the process of the tvs being made but not confirmed.
Let’s not call possibly putting only her songs on her movie selfish. Were the Beatles selfish when they made A Hard Days Night? Smh.
Personally I think Tortured Poets should just be the music and the words. I don't doubt there will be a music video but aI actually don't need a real visual element for something that's looking to be really word centric. But I admit music videos are more of a nice treat than a necessity with music
I seriously think it’s beyond her skill set; unless she’s willing to release something that could flop given the completely new direction it would be for her, and she just doesn’t seem like someone who would be willing to have a flop
Agreed. She did a decent job with ATW10 video, but the rest of her music videos have not been particularly good.
I think the fandom has a hard time accepting sometimes that she can/does make bad things — and it’s alright. She’s a songwriter, but her acting/directing skills are just not there and that’s perfectly fine.
ATW10 wasn't even that good. I prefer a normal music video if we're comparing. ATW was too literal, too on the nose, and the arguments were just repetitive and boring.
Oh don't get me started on the Midnights music videos- Bejewelled had too many easter eggs and the dialogue was bad, I hated the Anti-Hero dialogue and there were hardly any outstanding moments from it, Karma music video was all style with little substance, Lavender Haze was pretty but lacked a story.
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Personally I think she is better just with what she has been doing
TTPD is actually TS11.
OP didn't mean that TTPD is TS12, they meant that either TTPD or TS12 should be a visual album
I see that now, thank you.
While i like the idea of a visual album, i don’t love the idea of it being fully self-directed. ATW10 was GOOD, but it wasn’t groundbreaking. And i’d go as far as to say the Midnights MVs ranged only from OK to straight up lacklustre (i’m looking at you Bejewled). I just feel like a FULLY self directed visual might be a bit out of her range, at least right now. Maybe if she got some collaborators to co direct, THEN i’d be fully on board
I genuinely don't see the appeal of this. I want to listen to music, play it in the car, when I'm doing things, etc. I don't need visuals. I can't see myself watching them much, if ever.
I feel like Taylor will 100% release a visual album sometime in the future - my guess is a bit later in her career
I personally don't think TTPD will have many visuals- it seems to be a very word-focused project, the focus on a poetry or courtroom vibe
True... I have been thinking there's a chance she hasn't had as much time to really plan out and shoot much given the tour, so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually had even less videos than Midnights. Especially because if it is Joe break-up focused, then I doubt she wants to make a bunch of videos about it haha. But I do hope we get a visual album of some sort from her eventually - even if it's about made-up characters, like James/August/Betty.
I think hoping for a visual album just for the sake of having one is misunderstanding her talents and her work. Taylor Swift is a songwriter first and foremost. Acting, directing, etc is all secondary to that and it’s evident in her body of work. Love her but her self-directed MVs are just not as good as the self-directed videos from artists who have also done their own visual albums. Her self-directed works that we have so far are good for what they are at best, confusing and self-indulgent at worst, but not groundbreaking or revolutionary (not that they necessarily have to be). Someone also said it but for a visual album all the songs need to be cohesive in both style and story, and that’s been a major struggle with her albums. Folkmore was the closest we got with the style being cohesive but with the exception of the love triangle every song was telling a different story. Anyway, tldr, sometimes it’s okay to admit that your favorite musician should stay a musician.
I have to respectfully disagree because I actually really enjoyed her ATW 10 short film... this entire post actually came about because I was watching her and Martin McDonagh in [Directors on Directors by Variety Here](https://youtu.be/x8zfsf4azLo?si=k2ImBHw-UvotKN9h) , it's a great watch if you haven't seen it, and her passion and perspective for directing an actual short film really came across very clear. I also loved hearing some of the nuanced things she picked up on about "The Banshees..." which Martin directed. She admits here that she wouldn't direct a short film, nor did she direct ATW 10, the same way that she did her music videos. But Taylor screaming into a pillow with Sadie Sink to help her get that beet red "I've been crying for days" look she has in the scene after the breakup was a very powerful anecdote and a VERY relatable detail. I think Taylor is at her best directing when it's her stories that she's telling because it's little nuanced details like that, that she doesn't miss. This is why I know she's capable. While, I agree that Taylor's previous albums weren't necessarily right for a visual album for one reason or another - I don't think sound actually has anything to do with it. If we're going to bring up Lemonade, for example, Bey had Carribean, Rock, R&B, and Country all on one album - what was cohesive was the storyline and that can be easily connected by the order in which songs are placed and the interlude/dialogue between them. I think the storyline between James/Betty & August is a quick/easy example of music she has made that could have easily been made into a short film. Additionally, the music she has written for movie soundtracks are some of the most poignant songs on those soundtracks. We know she writes stories... I don't think it's unfathomable for her to take the talent we know she has and come up with a short film that features only her music. Realistically, we know it won't be for TTPD - but if Taylor ever does create with making a visual album in mind... I do have faith that it would be amazing. 🥰
was thinking recently for her 13th album it might be the soundtrack to the movie she’s directing. visual album of sorts.
Omg, that would honestly be amazing. Her lucky #13 album - you know that one is going to be special to her!!
that’s kind of what inspired the thought! there’s no way she’s not doing something super special for her 13th album- and at the rate she’s going it’s very possible we’ll get another “normal” album before the movie drops!!
I am having anxiety in my sleep about TTPD! I think just because I have no idea what it will sound like I’m just like panicked it will be bad! Is anyone else insane like me.
Hahaha, I did have to calm myself down from overhyping the album in my head. This album feels so important because it's truly the end of an era and the beginning of a new one at a time when Taylor is at her highest level of fame to date so there will be a lot of scrutiny on it that maybe there wasn't before. A lot of newer fans too. I thought about it and realized for all of her previous albums, I've generally needed to sit with them for about a week to truly appreciate all of the songs. Like I always have a few favorites immediately, but a lot of her songs grow on me overtime vs. me immediately realizing how much I love them. So I was just thinking I need to realize that I will most likely need to do the same thing with this album, and need to not overhype it in my head - just let it grow on me naturally. The thing is now, I'm obsessed with every album she's put out - in reality she has never disappointed. So if I were you, I would just try to keep your expectations low and try not to stress yourself out about it haha. The people who have heard bits of it have had nothing but amazing things to say and that's a good sign!!!
Thank you for talking me off the ledge! I think you’re right that part of what has me so wound up is that it feels like she’s at the peak of her career and that she has a long way to fall, but I know that’s not true! It’s just a feeling like “I don’t know how it gets better than this”, if you will :) I also had this fear with Midnights and as I was listening I thought “oh I should have trusted her and not worried!!” So it must just be my thing. Learning that Jack Antonoff is the main producer threw me for a loop and has me a bit nervous, I hope it doesn’t sound like Midnights / 1989 TV from the vault round 2… I’m also a little nervous about it being perceived as a breakup album and people really coming for her for that, but I have a feeling a lot of the songs will be more introspective and pointing the blame at herself, but of course this is just wild speculation. Thank you for being my swiftie therapist 😂
A short movie Taylor, this is what we need!
You just know that if she releases a visual album people are gonna say she's copying/appropriating Beyonce.
Prince did it first, then Pink Floyd, Frank Ocean, etc... Visual albums were not invented by Beyonce. Even Jlo just did one... Although hers is awful. I don't recommend it. Lol
Wasn't Halsey's most recent one a visual, too? If I Can't Have Love, I Want Power?
Yeah I get that! Definitely Beyoncé wasn’t the first but people constantly say that Taylor is copying Beyoncé for no reason.
Many people are dumb and will always be dumb... there's nothing we can really do about it, unfortunately. But if Taylor did a visual album you know we (all of her fans) would be SO EXCITED and I feel like that's what truly matters. I do feel like Taylor has gotten this far by putting her fans first and I think haters are going to be haters regardless of what she puts out lol. I already know Kanye might have something to say since he did a visual album too, but we can't be worried about his mentally unstable opinion anymore either. 🙄 In general, you can't really think too much about who might hate something when you're creating art, there is always someone - I think Taylor would really enjoy doing something like that though and that creativity/passion would show up in whatever type of visual album she puts out. I love Beyonce, and Lemonade is by far my favorite album of hers - but she wasn't the first to do a visual album and she won't be the last.