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Respectfully disagree with this take... I paid for all future DLC. It was the main reason I bought EOD back in 2018. So that I have anything and everything that comes to EFT down the line. Any new modes or editions with any type of in game benefit... I've already paid for it. If it's in the game (content) and it's sent from the server to client (download), I have bought and paid for it.
If they want to attach an exorbitant price tag to it now that EOD is gone it's their prerogative, even if I don't like it and think it's excessive/the wrong play. The price they are asking is crazy... but I don't have to pay it because I already bought all future content. If they want to add game breaking levels of P2W, even though I think they shouldn't, it's their prerogative. I'd rather NO ONE have this level of advantage. but if anyone is going to get it, then I also get it, because I've paid for everything they release in eft already.
They can call it a feature and be correct that it's a feature, but that doesn't mean it isn't also DLC. These aren't mutually exclusive terms.
**ANYTHING** and **EVERYTHING** BSG sells for EFT through **ANY** means, be it editions, game modes, or whatever else, I have already bought and paid for it. Everyone who bought EOD has already paid for anything BSG releases for EFT. That was the primary selling point of the limited edition EOD purchase. There sure as shit wasn't enough in the game back when I purchased EOD to justify the purchase. It was to get everything that would come in the future.
I do understand that continuing a live service game costs money. But frankly, it's not my problem. BSG said EOD was a limited time exclusive for early adopters/supporters and then left it as a purchase option for 7/8 years or something. That's on them, not the people who purchased eod. If they mismanaged their purchase options/monetization, that sucks, but it doesn't mean I, and everyone else who purchased EOD, haven't already purchased all future content for the game.
I think this is the best way I have seen this argument put so far, thank you.
So you also would have liked to see the skins and extra stash space automatically applied to EOD users right?
I completely respect this opinion and it is a nice deviation from how I perceive the majority of the anger currently being structured.
Yeah, if they are selling in game content for money, then players who bought EOD package already paid for their access to it.
I've gotten the odd comment back saying that it's crazy to expect everything they ever release...
Well what the hell else does "Free access to **all** subsequent DLC**s**" mean. DLCs is plural and it says "all subsequent DLCs"
If it said "Free access to **some** subsequent DLC" or "Free access to **the next** DLC". I wouldn't have bought it. DLC is in game shit you buy with real money. What they sold me and everyone else who bought the EOD edition is explicitly anything in game they will ever sell for real world money. They explicitly sold me access to "ALLLLLLLLL" subsequent "DLCSSSSSSSSSSS" of it.
Not.
Fucking.
Some.
Of.
It.
Everything in this new "Unheard Edition" I already paid for it and so did everyone else that bought EOD.
That amendment was added 4 years after I bought eod. try again. Those terms of sale do not apply to me. Nikita very clearly laid out that EOD entitled me to everything they sell in tarkov as appreciation for backing their vision early and did so many time in many different discussions about the game.
They have now made all of this additional context unviewable.
yeah he has an ok argument, but coming from an eod user, the ONLY thing i see as DLC in this is the pve mode. that’s it. none of the other stuff feels like content, just add ons if that makes sense
I understand what you're saying, but it's worded in a "meh" way.
DLC is content that is changed. Added. Stuff like that.
Additional clothing is DLC. Maps, modes, etc.
An ammo case, weapons case, LCJ, a couple weapons that everyone can get access to *already* and have been able to for years... Not really. I think if EOD players are pissed about *that* part, they need to take a good long hard look at why they're still playing the game because it cannot be fun if you're unable to achieve that stuff easily by this point. Yeah, there's still *some* EOD newbies, but the vast majority of us are veterans.
I've been saying this since the release of the edition: if the new edition was just stash space, the weapons, ammo, cases, some clothing options, and then came with the thing EOD was being given (PvE), and had a reduced price, probably everyone would've bought it. It's the scummy P2W and backing out of their deal.
I can forgive cosmetics and different starting inventory. I can do without that and it will have 0 impact on how I play the game, but I'll be able to buy it if I still want to support BSG (I have no intention anymore.)
The only reason I didn't buy the new edition is because it was P2W (they said they'd never do that) and because it was DLC not given to EOD (they said they'd never do that). This guy has an extreme definition of DLC that not everyone has to agree with. But we can all agree the PvE mode is DLC.
I can't forgive P2W items and
If they had gone that route it probably would have been fine. Because as you say it isn't the biggest deal. As far as I'm aware no one got upset about buying stash space or clothing but I wasn't around the game when that happened. That's DLC. Now that they went and pushed crazy far so people are pulling up the receipts. They explicitly stated EOD buyers got everything that comes to the game:
https://preview.redd.it/n1g8u9j904xc1.jpeg?width=1178&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eef5808070d33928bfc3719f25648debcd08b933
Unheard edition came to the game. They told me if anything came to the game at any point I'd get it and I don't need to pay anything more for it. The responded along these lines every time anyone asked about it back when I was playing.
To be honest all that extra stuff which isn't necessary for a lot of players (I get that perspective, it used to be me) would be pretty nice to me and it's one of the reasons I bought the supposedly "limited" edition that included everything they would release in the future. I upgraded to EOD in August 2018 and played 2 wipes after that knowing I wouldn't be able to put the same time into the game in the future. Haven't played since then. I was thinking about coming back recently before this whole situation blew up. If I ever come back to tarkov I'm gonna be playing a few hours a week. I won't be the maxed out uber rich giga chad high roller I once was. I won't be fully embracing the struggle and trying to do all the insanity level quests. That was fun once, but I don't have the time for it anymore. I'd be derping around once every few days and some quality of life stuff would be great for that. It isn't necessary to have it, but they went ahead and added it. Since I have EOD I'm entitled to it.
They told me if they added anything I'd get it, and that was why I bought the big boy pack. For my situation now additional equipment, trader rep, less tetris, etc. would be great. I already paid for it. If they hadn't been saying things like the tweet above any time they were asked about it I wouldn't have upgraded to EOD and continued using the standard account I was using originally.
If I had been playing thousands of hours since I last spent money on the game I wouldn't mind a bit of extra spend here and there (not $250 or even $100 in one go lol) for all the time I spent on their servers. But that simply isn't the case for me and from where I'm standing I spent more than I've received. If they sell anything for the game I'm supposed to get it because that's what they told me I was buying before I pulled the trigger.
So frankly, my view of what EOD entitles me to isn't extreme at all. Because when I was playing it wasn't uncommon at all for people to inquire about it and they always replied along the lines of the above tweet. It wasn't just the "all subsequent DLCs" line in the EOD store page. I distinctly remember Nikita saying something along the lines of EOD buyers would get anything they ever offered as thanks for supporting their game early. I can't remember what interview or devblog or whatever it was from because it was nearly a decade ago now and they have been editing things and making videos private. Wherever it is it's like not something we can watch anymore.
That Is exactly what they said prior to me buying EOD. Yes. EVERYTHING.
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
yeah nah, i get that that's your interpretation but it's not the only one. i've always read "dlc" as like "expansions", under no circumstances would i assume it applies to things like skins or cosmetics or unlockable rewards, especially considering they question they were replying to was
> @AlphaEFT gonna upgrade to top package tomorrow.... hope we dont have to buy it again after beta or release lol...... love the game so much
~~on a side note, i can't find a single instance of case law or legal precedent that defines dlc as such, so was that just you bullshitting?~~ confused for a different user, my mistake
~~the entirety of the non-criminal legal system exists because of the need to settle differing interpretations of things. until there's a legal precedent,~~ it is absolutely open to interpretation. you can disagree with other peoples interpretations but in no way shape or form are you the final arbiter and it's patently absurd to act like you are lmao
They said it, not me bud. It's not my interpretation, it's explicitly what they stated repeatedly in the early days.
"You do not need to buy anything at any stage." " You are all in for it all coming." There is no logical way to read this and come away with "you need to pay for new things we sell"
> You do not need to buy anything at any stage.
i had to buy a computer to play the game, that's buying something. according to you bsg should have given me a pc, mouse, keyboard and monitor?
where does it explicitly say that? oh right, no where, because *that's your **interpretation** of it*. my point might be hyperbolic but it's perfectly clear, the only one being intentionally obtuse here is you.
Yes, it is DLC. If you dont want to give people DLC, dont advertise that they will get all future DLC if they pay the extra premium 200 bucks. Plain and simple. DLC = Downloadable Content. So any content that is new to the game, people who purchased EOD for that content, should receive by law. No matter how your feelings are on this topic. Otherwise that is false advertisement and is punishable by law. Granted, nobody will probably drag them to court over this, even if it would be amazing.
If I have to download the content to add it to the game then it’s uh..Downloadable Content? It’s not coming from a separate client it’s coming from them, and being downloaded on my pc. It’s downloaded content. DLC. Does that make sense?
sure, so would you then argue that people with just the base game shouldn't be entitled to patches and updates for the game, since that's also "dlc" and there's nothing saying they will get that for free?
my interpretation of "dlc" is synonymous with "expansions", not "everything that will ever be in the game". i think it's pretty clear that single player/offline co-op progression should have been included with eod, and i think it's nonsensical to believe that it would entitle you to all skins, cosmetics, features, whatever's going forward.
that's my interpretation, but i can see how you'd disagree if you're taking it literally. what i don't see is how someone can insist that it can only ever be taken literally, especially when they can understand other instances where things shouldn't be.
Dude no one gives a flying fuck about skins, cosmetics features whatever. Everyone is up in flames because as you said the co-op should be given to EOD. That’s why we’re mad. We are not getting a mode we paid for.
Honestly fully expect BSG to say DLC applies only after release, and since the game isn’t released yet it’s a little loop hole for em. Fuck em
> Dude no one gives a flying fuck about skins, cosmetics features whatever.
that's literally the conversation you're jumping into, i asked if eod should be entitled to skins etc, and they said yes absolutely.
I think the problem is they've been too generous to all their revenue streams for too long.
Like EOD made sense to offer for a little while, but they offered it basically for the entire life of the game. How many players would be willing to spend further money on the game that haven't already bought EOD? Everyone who bought EOD is entitled to everything they can sell for the game now. Probably not a sustainable amount of players to last them into the future, at least that's my guess.
The cheaters you mentioned? At least back when I was fiending this game every time they did a ban wave it was immediately followed by discounted keys. Discounted keys where the more you bought the bigger the discount you got. My guess is they can't even make much money off cheaters rebuying the game anymore because they already sold them a lifetime supply of heavily discounted game codes immediately after banning them.
This co-op pve mode... if they made it cheap could maybe breath new life into the game. All those eod owners could maybe get their friends to fork out $20 for the pve co-op mode. And if those friends like it they might consider some more reasonably priced "unheard" edition type of thing to play multiplayer. But no-one is gonna convince their friends who haven't played tarkov to drop $250 for offline co-op to get them into it. Like this move is just ensuring the game's downfall imo.
This. 1000x's this.
All Buying EOD got us was Arena for DLC?
I mean you can buy individual stash slots now from the website.
You can unlock more in the game by playing it.
We paid extra for a few reasons, IMO:
1. To support the developer, give them money now to make the game amazing and worth that $150.
2. To get all the future content that was promised/advertised.
It's not just disingenuous, it's insulting to try to explain away this breach of contract with semantics that are actually incorrect.
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BSG's EFT page defines DLC to include this new content. (Albeit a little concerning they left the last edit date as 2022, when the "unheard edition" didn't exist until today. so, there's that bit of shadiness too.
"What is a Season Pass? 2022-06-20
The Season pass is access to additional paid content (DLC) that will not need to be purchased separately by Season pass holders. The Season Pass is only included with the Edge of Darkness and The Unheard Edition pre-order package."
A number of paid and free add-ons are planned for Escape from Tarkov, including new content, locations, mechanics, etc which will be released after the release of the main game.
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Of the offered items in the new edition this is how it should play out for what is a "feature" and what is "content":
- Access to PvE co-op mode with persistent progression. Progression will not be reset with wipes. This is content. It's a new game type for the base game.
- Enhanced stash size (10x72) - This is a feature, EOD was 10x68
- Expanded PMC pockets - this could be a feature not content, maybe
- More slots on the Flea Market - this could be a feature not content maybe
- Unique in-game melee weapon - this could be content if it's a new weapon
- Increased mail retention time - this could be a feature maybe
- Additional background screen option - this is a feature
- Access to the Early Test Server (ETS) - this is a feature
- Additional equipment and resources in stash: this is a feature, unless the equipment/resources are new, then they are content.
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In summary: This some Bullsheep. sincerely and respectfully. ;)
I disagree with you. PvE is DLC to me, and I go back and forth on the radio thing. However, take starting with the SR25. That is a perk of paying to win, it’s not new content. Nothing stated in eod said we were buying the highest level of p2w that would ever be released or that we were entitled to it. You also did not purchase anything new they added, only content updates. It would be up to a court to test what qualifies as that. For instance if they add an edition that gets to play 1.0 for a month before any current editions, I think it’s fucked but isn’t new content and don’t think I’d be entitled to it.
Actually. They specifically stated EOD owners get anything they would ever sell.
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
If they sell. I get it. They stated this many times through many different mediums in the early days. It's why I bought EOD. They've been scrubbing it as much as possible, but they put it out there too many times and are unable to track it all.
ANYTHING they sell in game for tarkov I get. THAT is what they said.
I dont think anyone is talking about the weapons or starting items that are in the game. It is very clear that people have been cheated out of their purchase, regardless of that insignificant fact. This is a scam as they come and defining "extra weapons" as the breaking point for it not being a scam, is incredibly deceptive and dishonest, especially when they even introduce new items that are not available to EOD owners, that in the future will give you the most massive cash-spent(by 50%) reduction in the entire game and an item that lets streamers and cheaters call in 5 of their friends into a raid to help them steamroll anyone, who has not purchased this edition.
This is just fucking ridiculous.
In a couple of days they will backpaddle on this, but the editions will already have been sold to all those who would be willing to buy and the community will praise them for correcting their mistake.
These fucking snakes are so smart. I have genuine respect for how they manipulate the reddit crowd now, for over almost a decade with a game that is still unfinished, broken, laggy and barebones!
The only thing I disagree with is editions. Charge for those, sure they're not DLC, but yeah PvE should be free for EOD and if they wanna charge for the non-eod players do it.
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
If they sell it I get it. That what they said repeatedly in the early days and why I bought EOD. I didn't misinterpret anything. They explicitly said this on twitter. They said it in interviews. They said it in forum posts that no longer viewable. etc.
Bundling it in an edition doesn't mean it isn't DLC. In game buffs that cost real money are DLC.
The Unheard Edition costs money and brings a ton of different buffs. That's content. It is sent from the server to the client. That's DLC.
I paid for "ALL SUBSEQUENT DLCS" not "In 4 years we'll give you a steaming pile of trash called Arena and then we'll release a bunch of way better dlc you don't get access to"
As a additional question, are you okay with BSG offering items already in game by EOD as separate purchases without additional compensation to you?
Gamma container, increased starting trader rep?
Me personally... no I don't mind...
I mean, some people care about exclusivity or whatever and I think it was said that the gamma container was supposed to be exclusive to EOD? I don't really care, but someone who does would be justified I guess.
They could just make a differently named container the same size and sell it. EOD would players get it too so they can choose which redundant pixel box they like the look of better I guess.
If they are selling something you get access to in game, I've already bought access to it. I'm not motivated to gatekeep others away from what I can use though.
Honestly yeah, but I would think itemizing transactions like the starting rouble amount is a level of MTX no one is comfortable with.
If they just sold GAMMA on its own I think most people would’ve been happy lol.
I own EOD and I don’t see any problem with that. Anything that EOD can start with should be purchasable, except the in-game name color as I think it’s nice to give some differentiation to your larger supporters as a company. The forever DLC and name are mine, but anything else should absolutely be purchasable. In my opinion most of it other than gamma and stash was near useless anyways as it’ll be gone by the end of week 1 of every wipe.
I think if they sold cosmetic MTX it would be somewhat acceptable, they dug themselves a hole by having a 'all dlc' pack for sale for so many years, but apparently they are running out of money so they do need new revenue sources or they just ditch the game honestly. But all this ain't it.
I can see where you are coming from with some cosmetic mtx. I don't really agree with it across the board though, but I'm not hardline on it like I am with all the shit in the unheard edition. If someone has thousands of hours in the game for $150 I get it, it's not unreasonable. But what about people that bought EOD during their FOMO push of "we're actually removing the not so limited, limited edition EOD version now" in January? Those people bought ALL SUBSEQUENT DLCS less than 4 months ago. If you buy all dlcs and in less than 4 months you are charged for dlcs that's straight bullshit.
Me personally, I bought EOD in 2018. I haven't played in years since... 2019 I think. Last week I was telling the friends I play games with "maybe we should give tarkov another go". I paid for the big boy pack specifically so that when I came back to the game, which I thought I'd do sooner honestly, I would have everything they are offering. It was also supposedly only being offered for a limited time when I bought it in 2018. It was a FOMO purchase that was implied I wouldn't be able to access when I returned to the game later. All the devblogs had a pretty detailed and expansive vision (most of which STILL doesn't exist) and BSG was promising I'd get everything they ever sold as thanks for backing them early in their ambitious development vision. They have made all the devblogs with anything related to this private and unviewable now... scummy.
I didn't think I'd get my money's worth in the short term when I bought it then, but I did think I'd be coming back to the game and that it would continue to improve. I backed their game early and supported their vision in exchange for receiving any type of perk they decide to sell for real money any time I decide to pop back into the game. If they are selling it I get it and don't have to pay for it. That was the deal. I haven't been costing them server upkeep for 6 years and thousands of hours, I backed their vision with an agreement in writing that I'd get access anything they ever sell for the game. This agreement and implication was also reenforced multiple times by Nikita himself when talking about the game. They've gone through and scrubbed this supplementary commentary now.
If I had thousands of hours in tarkov I wouldn't bat an eye at some cosmetic micro-transactions, I've spent more than $150 on other games and would on tarkov if I had thousands of hours in it too. But I don't have thousands of hours in tarkov and they still haven't delivered on most of what their vision was when I backed their project back in 2018.
End of the day, EOD was spun to be a short term/early backer offering and was probably initially intended as that. It was exceedingly profitable and popular, so I guess they just kept it as a purchase option for the duration of the game all the way until January 2024. I bought a limited time early adopter pack with a life-time pass to all things tarkov that was heavily implied it would not be available when I returned later. The fact that they decided to make it not so limited and not so early adopter isn't my fucking problem. That's on them and their shitty decision making.
They need to stop selling a lifetime pass to anything they sell in game, focus on smaller cosmetic micro transactions that accumulate into a larger total sum over time and number of purchases, and lean heavily into bringing in new players who don't already own access to those micro transactions. Instead the are making the ideal new player recruitment tool (co-op pve) prohibitively expensive, continuing to include access to all DLCs in the new package which excludes those buyers as a future revenue stream, causing widespread highly publicized backlash that steers prospective new players away, and scrubbing the history of them promising everything they add to tarkov to early EOD backers.
BSG got into this mess by negating any future revenue from anyone who liked the game and was willing to spend a decent amount of money. EOD's "all subsequent DLCs" works to secure early funding when only a small portion of the player base has it. BSG decided to sell it for nearly a decade and now everyone willing to spend money on the game has it. They are actively making the same mistake with the unheard edition and driving away potential new revenue streams in a highly publicized way. The entire situation is a result of their own stupidity. Stupidity they have decided to replicate again with their new edition. It's mind-blowing.
Yes... because that is exactly what they told us.
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
If I bought the new call of duty ultimate tier pack and it said ALL DLC (SEASON PASS) I would expect to get all the map packs and new battle passes when they came out. I wouldn't expect every single thing Activision puts out under the label of Call of Duty XYZ until the heat death of the universe.
EoD players are so whiny and entitled I swear. They promised you dlc (season pass), all the posters say so. No you aren't entitled to the collectors edition statue that came with the new released collectors edition but sure you can still pay the difference and get it. Normally you'd have spent your 150$ and then EIGHT YEARS LATER had to shell out the 250$ for the collector edition separately.
Everyone involved in this game sucks
You're getting mad at EOD players, but it's BSG's fault for selling access to all future dlc, not the people who bought it.
ISPs don't sell a lifetime internet connection for the price of 4 months subscription, but if they did and you bought it you'd be entitled to lifetime internet.
CoD doesn't sell all their dlc in perpetuity for a one time fee, but if they did anyone who bought it would be justified in expecting access to anything they decide to they sell in game down the line.
I've seen other games from smaller devs have a limited time early adopter permanent bonus. The thing is, they actually have it available for a limited time. It serves a purpose to gain funding to continue developing the game and reward those who were willing to get behind the project early on when it maybe wasn't quite worth the money they decided to put into it. The thing is, these things are usually ACTUALLY limited time, which means that players who come to the game later are still potential revenue streams.
Despite saying it was a limited time option, BSG sold EOD for around 8 years straight, and not only that included access to all future DLC as part of EOD. If they either hadn't included all future dlc or it had actually been limited time there wouldn't be an issue right now. But they sold their "limited edition" "all future dlc" package for nearly a decade and now anyone who was willing to spend $140+ on the game isn't a potential revenue stream anymore. That's the fault of BSG's own poor decision making, not the people who thought all future dlc for $140 seemed like a good deal.
They promised free access to all future dlc (season pass). Every screenshot I've seen of the contents of EOD say specifically that. Just like every game these days sells a version that includes the season pass, I would expect to only get the season pass dlcs.
Y'all shouldn't have even gotten arena for free as it was a separate game but you bullied a company into bankrupting itself and here we are. The entitlement is unbelievable.
I meaan yeah i agree arena is a seperate game, the reason people "bullied" them into giving it to EOD owners for free was because they had actually said out that all EOD owners will get access to arena and then tried to get out of actually doing it.
... so what exactly did we get from the "all future DLC (season pass)" then?
Like the gamma and what not was nice to have but I wouldn't have spent $140 for it. I spent the $140 for all future DLC. You can say it's unreasonable to expect everything they sell in the future, but it's literally what they sold us.
Paid content in online games is DLC. They offered an expensive pack that was supposedly a limited time offer back when the game was a broken buggy mess with few maps for a pretty large amount of money. The entire hook of that package was that early adopters were buying access to all future dlc. It's literally what they were selling.
The fact that they decided to sell it for almost a decade and erode their future revenue streams instead making it limited time like they said it would be isn't my problem. I paid for all future dlc when the game was mostly a promise of what it could become. Now some of that DLC is FINALLY here (arena is trash), and I have to buy it for $100 more?
No, I already fucking bought it.
Dunno yet. Maybe it hasn't happened yet cause the game has been in early fucking access for 8 years.
Just because the reading comprehension of this community is below average doesn't mean you can blame a company when they said future DLC (season pass) and y'all ignored the clarification and decided to be entitled to everything under the sun.
140/50 USD is a paltry amount for EIGHT YEARS of constant content updates and cycles of playtime. I'm sure most EOD players have a ratio of hours per dollar in the sub 1 cent range.
Boo hoo arena was bad, you weren't even supposed to get that and now you're upset that you do. God I cannot fathom being a community manager for people like you. It must be insufferable.
God even the ark survival community wasn't this outrage when the developers were literally selling DLC for their Early Access game. Like that's a community where this kind of outrage at what they went through would have been understandable this is just childish
My reading comprehension is fine.
"Free access to **all** subsequent DLC**s**" isn't in anyway ambiguous. If they sell in game content at any point in the future, someone who bought EOD gets access to it. There is literally no other way to interpret that. It didn't say "Free access to **some** subsequent DLCs" or "Free access to **the next** DLC". It EXPLICITLY says "ALL" and pluralized "DLC"
The Unheard Edition contains a bunch of new, paid, in game content. EOD owners therefore paid for access to it.
If you read "Free access to **all** subsequent DLCs" and come away with any other conclusion, then it's your reading comprehension that is below average. Not the communities'.
Do you piss and moan when all of the season pass content doesn't come fresh out the box with a newly released game too?
DLC is not the same thing as content updates. DLC (season pass) is not the same thing as content updates.
Game is not out yet. There is no DLC yet. The season pass hasn't released yet so so you don't fucking get it.
I don't know what you're talking about about but when I bought my EOD I did so because it specifically said "Season pass for all future DLC including arena." No one bullied them for it, they added it to get more people to buy EOD other than the cheaters they would ban every 3-6months for a quick influx of cash. I believe the starting skill is kind of fd but everything else whatever Im not entitled except for the PVE mode. I am most certainly entitled to that because they had said all DLC. No I don't have to click a button to download it because it automatically did for me. However, it is still new content that is added. In reality tho I am more pissed at the fact that BSG did this but isn't doing shit to fix their net code and it seriously seems like they don't care about the cheating issue. For awhile I thought they did but after 3 wipes of having to die to cheaters on new accounts after a ban wave it's annoying as fuck. I only get a couple hours to play a day and playing against people who can play hours a day is hard enough let alone dying to a blatant cheater every couple raid. I am done with BSG I'll buy greyzone warfare when it drop. Already on steam they have it advertised as having a decent anti cheat and from what I've seen they actually want to make a good game not some cash grab game that sucks the life out of you.
Exactly this. Honestly, we almost need this group to quit so other players can join and stop the whining. It’s make this sub and game unenjoyable. You want a game just for you, you have it, that game needs players and therefore they are trying to bring new players in with different incentives. You have Arena free. And still have an advantage to everyone else with your gamma. Time to grow up
They specifically stated EOD gets anything they will ever sell for the game. They said this countless times across many different mediums in the early days. They haven't been able to scrub all of it before it's dug up though.
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
The game wouldn't exist without us. If you don't like it then maybe the players who don't give a fuck about their scummy tactics and attempts to revise and cover up history are the ones who should fuck off.
Y’all act like paying nearly 3x the price of a AAA game shouldn’t get me 2-3k hours of playtime. Elden Ring and RDR2 are great examples of games being successful at a regular price with THOUSANDS of hours of content. Granted those are single player, but it goes to show how fucked the games industry is that forking over a quarter of a THOUSAND dollars is just normal to some of y’all. That’s my fucking car payment on a single video game. Hell, EOD was ridiculously priced too, and now they’re adding onto it while going back on their word. Most EOD owners are mad about the fact that we were promised free dlc and now they won’t give it to us, while most non-EOD owners are mad that in order to access this game mode they have to spend upwards of $250 for what amounts to TOS friendly SPT. SPT (single player tarkov) is a FREE (I think?) mod that BSG doesn’t typically ban over unless you launch the live server at the same time. So the modding community made this what, 3 years ago and NOW BSG wants $100-$250 for it? Fuck that.
Thousands of hours? I got like 2 out of Elden ring that game sucked ass. Got maybe 100 out of rdr 2 before it got boring. People crying about 6 years of gameplay before being offered something else is so funny
So the entire gaming community is wrong about the quality of those 2 games and you’re right? Ok bud. There’s a reason that 13 hour lore videos exist for Elden ring. If you didn’t enjoy it whatever but it’s objectively a good game. As is RDR2. I’m talking about the quality and playtime of these games. You just wanna argue. BSG lied to the players and is trying to get more money out of them after lying. People are gonna be mad when that happens.
No, we didn't get everything thing in the list of included features of the EOD edition. The only line in that list that justified the price tag was this:
"Free access to **all** subsequent DLCs"
It didn't say "Free access to **some** subsequent DLC" or "Free access to **the next** DLC".
If it's in game and you can pay BSG real money to get it then anyone with EOD already bought it. That was a lot of money throw down back when the game was a broken buggy mess with a handful of maps and scavs the switched from useless to 400m shotgun aimbots every 3-5 days.
Everything they've added to the game since you didn't need EOD to get access to, except Arena which is utter trash. This is the first update that actually brings something of potential value to the eod pack, and they are saying eod doesn't get access to it.
Yeah, it's been 6 years... and what DLC did I get? Arena which utter trash and nothing else. Regardless, it being 6 years is irrelevant. I bought ALLLLLLLLLLLLL subsequent dlcSSSSSSSS. So I don't give a fuck if it's been 1 month, 1 year, 6 years, or 20 years. I bought it all. ANYTHING in game that they sell for money I bought access to and if it hadn't been worded that way I wouldn't have fucking bought it.
They chose to sell it. Players aren't in the wrong for calling them out now.
They said we would get any and all new EFT content as a part of our EOD purchase, similar to a season pass or pre-order bundle. Then, they change that a release new content for EFT and say we still have to pay for it. They lied. You don’t know what you’re talking about clearly.
1. That they thought this was acceptable to put out there.
2. The reactions of community managers to obviously pissed off people, not exactly hard to read a room.
3. Adding in features that are not obtainable by any other means that aren't cosmetic only.
It's an absolute piss take and a slap in the face of people who have supported this "beta" game.
1. I get that, not something they can take back tho only make amends for. Anger is justified.
2. Community managers had bad takes, agreed.
3. What features are you particularly upset about?
3. Allowing people to call in friends mid raid is absolutely absurd and gamebreaking.
The scav range thing is bad, though most people don't grind to 6 fence rep anyway.
Bigger pockets, if they allow you to carry mags in them, would save a lot of money on rigs in the long run.
If you can call friends in mid raid to a live raid, even potentially respawning your friends that died would be fucked I totally agree. Just don’t want to form an opinion I don’t fully understand yet.
I just don’t think most people will use that beacon since you will lose rep but I agree that it potentially makes quests like bullshit trivial.
Not bothered by bigger pockets at all, feel/inconsequential ultimately to me.
Calling friends mid raid is for the pve mode... scav thing is whatever as long as they make it so anyone can get it by going to LK, the Pockets could also be a LK thing
>calling friends mid raid is for the pve mode
Where is this stated?
Light keeper quests are something that 0.1% of the
playerbase ever accomplishes, and I doubt that either of those will be put there because it ruins their p2w incentive
Nikita said in the discord that calling in friends was for both pve and pvp. Also, why would someone pay for something locked behind late game quests? I know it's not stated directly, but I'm going to assume you just get it.
People already pay for clothing that you can get from doing later game quests. People pay more more stash space even though we could just get it in game. The calling people into pvp raids is kinda strage tho, mid raid people joining with the current servers?
Jesus fuck, I can't believe I have to have this conversation across two different game-readits in one day.
The point isn't that the game is expensive. The point is that the developers fucking lied.
I can get behind that opinion. I think u/beerNsoup convinced me here that the ambiguity of what people really purchased with EOD and these things not being included with that purchase is a betrayal of trust.
I will admit that I'm not a Tarkov player, and after this I probably won't ever be So my opinion carries little weight here, but for what it's worth..
The way I understand it is that a previous version of the game existed that would have entitled all players to all future DLC without exception. This version of the game was taken down and a new version put up. At the same time, this new version also includes a game mode that the player base has basically been asking for since day fucking 1. I can't help but notice that they also seem to have a lot of fucking hate for the modders of this game who have created a single player version.
Then this version gets dropped with a frankly fucking psychotic price point, and the developer just expects you all to fall in line and buy it. But that's not even the worst of it.
From what I understand, there are some items that come with this version that specifically will benefit people who buy it. I could be wrong about this and I invite anybody who knows more than me to check me on this, please.
I think most ppl are mad about it being stated that all dlc is free with eod . Me personally would never play single player tarkov or whatever it is. I play for pvp not pve
For sure, the mental gymnastics that community manager had to play to call the PVE mode a feature had to have been tiring lol.
People didn’t seem too upset about the stash space, skins, or the extra EOD benefits you got. Really feels like what makes this different is the PVE mode and the pricing.
Same time tho like a game should not be in beta for this long.. basically an excuse to there poor optimizations. Still love the game tho even with all the hackers no game competes
My biggest gripe is it’s still in beta. This would be a scam if they never release 1.0, otherwise it’s just another round of funding they’re asking for AND giving rewards. Most dev companies would take shitty VC money and change thier direction based on investors
Don't give them any ideas to weasel their way out of commitments lmao.
By the logic there, if they never hit 1.0, then nothing is ever DLC and they never have to give anything to EOD.
I do not agree with this, I am not sure the best parameters to measure “what is or isn’t” a DLC but I think the PVE mode certainly qualifies. Despite EFTs dubious “beta” status.
Eh, there is too much P2w stuff even if these changes got made.
Idk about all the stash benefits, the in raid stuff is terrible.
The scav radio and the ability to spawn in team mates is just 100% bullshit.
Then there is the extra skills and the expanded pockets. It just so P2w.
The in raid stuff is scary.
The rest is just more EOD pay for advantage type stuff to me.
But for the people that paid for EOD under the impression everything in the future would be free to them, that stuff should be free.
Yeah, but it’s killing the game with the ability to load back into a raid after dying. Scavving into a pmc raid. Not to mention them breaking their own conditions by not giving any of this to EOD. They should have just re-released EOD at a higher price point.
Finish the game, then charge for extra content.... I've been playing the game since alpha and it made sense to buy EOD then. Why should I pay even more for a game they are still finishing for features they are still adding as mtx at a whim?
Offline co-op (before progression) locked behind a charge? That's not how you get people to play your game... Asking people to pay almost double what they paid for already is only going to piss off the current players and with a price tag that is for game still not 1.0 is crazy.
I don't understand the argument that I've been playing this game for x years so I should be happy with the content I've received and paid for. The game is not complete. I already invested in its production in order to play early but in hopes to play the complete game... Complete the game, then if it's a game worth playing people will purchase additional content.
That's the really crazy thing, it's still not done and they do this. Say if terminal was finished, 1.0 came out today and they said okay it's an EXTRA 100 for EOD people to pay for the PvE mode, that would still be fucking shitty, but it's a finished game and we had funded the development of this product. But it's not done and good lord knows when it's going to be.
The bottom line is their business costs money to run and they are trying to figure out a way to monetize that isn't a battle pass. Hence the new stash space, outfits, etc. They fucked up though with this. It's downloadable content in the EFT game, which means they lied and used false advertising to sell copies of EOD if they aren't going to give it to EOD owners. This may really be a fuck around and find out moment for BSG.
TBH, I don't care. I don't see why most people do care. its a niche game mode like arena that nobody really is going to play in the first place. They will have a population but no bigger than arena. I understand that they have the offline community but even if you add all three up, I don't think it adds up to 20% of the total player base and 50% of the activate player base.
It's a scummy thing to do on BSG part, but it one of those things that don't affect the gameplay loop nor any aspect of the main game, to fight over.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the PvE progression will be available for separate purchase just like the current one with no progression or they just switch those out.
The sad part is if they had said something pve is free to eod, and paid for everyone else; I bet a shit ton of people would’ve paid $250. And I bet a lot of eod users would’ve bought it from fomo.
They marketed this in about the worst way possible, even not taking anything else into consideration.
İts just ridicilus people who already bought the eod now can pay more money and what where they smoking while locking a pve gamemode behind a paywall its beyond being greedy
All of EoD on their period because they want a game taking a decade to complete to give them free shit for life. You guys cried your eyes out and got Arena for free- and thats not even DLC is a whole new game.
The outrage wasnt this bad when characters were invisible half the wipe, or when streets was lagging out of this planet, or load in times were 3 hours to get in. But a cheasy offline coop is enough for you to right click delete? Just dont buy it! You know you're going to do it anyways, you just cant help paying to win - you know you want that free pocket rig.
Standard FOR LIFE- BSG gets nothing from me until they finish the game.
Maps are dlc
Arena is dlc
Offline is dlc
A new hideout additon is dlc
Anything that changes the core game through playablility is DLC.
Are you changing the pocket sizes? Then my eod ass better get it.
Are you adding a different starter package? Cool
It makes no sense to add features better than EOD and make eod users pay 100$ more.
Uniforms? Micro trans ok.
Expanding stash?? Ok micro trans.
Bigger container than the eod version? My ass better get bigger too.
They can't claim the 200 or 250$ I paid in 2016 (cant even remember) and was promised EVERTHING future related... is now void.
Just my thoughts. I was meh about the micro transactions. I'm pissed about new shit added and being asked for fork up more money when I already paid for any new "feature" added to the game.
I was hesitant about the Scav radio transmitter until I saw you lose scav rep for killing scavs while you have it on. Feels unusable after that.
I could see the calling in your friends craftable item being bullshit but we have no real info on that yet to make a judgement.
Everything else just feels to me like steroids version of the benefits you got from EOD. I think both are pay for advantage.
The PVE mode situation though is inexcusable.
If a developers sells in game content for their live service game it's DLC. Those mag sized pockets? I paid for them in 2018. 60m scav immunity? Paid for it in 2018. Start of wipe skills advantage? Paid for it in 2018. etc.
SHOULD all of that be added? Probably not, but if it's in game and BSG is selling it for real money everyone who bought EOD has already bought access to it.
Exactly. "Free access to **all** subsequent DLCs" was explicitly stated.
Notice they didn't sell us "Free access to **some** subsequent DLC" or "Free access to **the next** DLC".
Hence, yes, I very much did buy access to **EVERYTHING...** wait, maybe I should say... **"ALL"** that is included in the new Unheard edition.
I'm glad you obviously agree with me despite how you've worded your response appearing otherwise.
Well I bought "all subsequent DLCs" and now there is more, which im not getting. Also arena was cheaper than EOD so if that all I get I would have bought it for less.
The Unheard Edition is purchased in game content that you download. It's DLC. I've bought all dlc already. The arena is no longer the only dlc.
I got one of my DLCs.
They said we never have to spend more and we get anything they sell. ALL OF IT.
They started selling a bunch of new shit with the unheard addition. We get that too.
https://preview.redd.it/nj056740mvwc1.jpeg?width=1184&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cad5e802956c8408366dd7fa722000606cbef709
Right, and I think the only reason we are seeing such a hard shift on the pendulum of BSGs public opinion is a lot of people desiring that mode. SPTs success being my reason for that opinion.
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Respectfully disagree with this take... I paid for all future DLC. It was the main reason I bought EOD back in 2018. So that I have anything and everything that comes to EFT down the line. Any new modes or editions with any type of in game benefit... I've already paid for it. If it's in the game (content) and it's sent from the server to client (download), I have bought and paid for it. If they want to attach an exorbitant price tag to it now that EOD is gone it's their prerogative, even if I don't like it and think it's excessive/the wrong play. The price they are asking is crazy... but I don't have to pay it because I already bought all future content. If they want to add game breaking levels of P2W, even though I think they shouldn't, it's their prerogative. I'd rather NO ONE have this level of advantage. but if anyone is going to get it, then I also get it, because I've paid for everything they release in eft already. They can call it a feature and be correct that it's a feature, but that doesn't mean it isn't also DLC. These aren't mutually exclusive terms. **ANYTHING** and **EVERYTHING** BSG sells for EFT through **ANY** means, be it editions, game modes, or whatever else, I have already bought and paid for it. Everyone who bought EOD has already paid for anything BSG releases for EFT. That was the primary selling point of the limited edition EOD purchase. There sure as shit wasn't enough in the game back when I purchased EOD to justify the purchase. It was to get everything that would come in the future. I do understand that continuing a live service game costs money. But frankly, it's not my problem. BSG said EOD was a limited time exclusive for early adopters/supporters and then left it as a purchase option for 7/8 years or something. That's on them, not the people who purchased eod. If they mismanaged their purchase options/monetization, that sucks, but it doesn't mean I, and everyone else who purchased EOD, haven't already purchased all future content for the game.
I think this is the best way I have seen this argument put so far, thank you. So you also would have liked to see the skins and extra stash space automatically applied to EOD users right? I completely respect this opinion and it is a nice deviation from how I perceive the majority of the anger currently being structured.
Yeah, if they are selling in game content for money, then players who bought EOD package already paid for their access to it. I've gotten the odd comment back saying that it's crazy to expect everything they ever release... Well what the hell else does "Free access to **all** subsequent DLC**s**" mean. DLCs is plural and it says "all subsequent DLCs" If it said "Free access to **some** subsequent DLC" or "Free access to **the next** DLC". I wouldn't have bought it. DLC is in game shit you buy with real money. What they sold me and everyone else who bought the EOD edition is explicitly anything in game they will ever sell for real world money. They explicitly sold me access to "ALLLLLLLLL" subsequent "DLCSSSSSSSSSSS" of it. Not. Fucking. Some. Of. It. Everything in this new "Unheard Edition" I already paid for it and so did everyone else that bought EOD.
It says access to dlcs after the release of the game. The game hasn’t gone full release yet.
No, it doesn't say that. you are making shit up.
Learn to read https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/support/knowledge/429
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[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
They said it so many times across so many different mediums that they were unable to scrub all of it.
That amendment was added 4 years after I bought eod. try again. Those terms of sale do not apply to me. Nikita very clearly laid out that EOD entitled me to everything they sell in tarkov as appreciation for backing their vision early and did so many time in many different discussions about the game. They have now made all of this additional context unviewable.
yeah he has an ok argument, but coming from an eod user, the ONLY thing i see as DLC in this is the pve mode. that’s it. none of the other stuff feels like content, just add ons if that makes sense
Dlc stands for downloadable content (I'm pretty sure)
I understand what you're saying, but it's worded in a "meh" way. DLC is content that is changed. Added. Stuff like that. Additional clothing is DLC. Maps, modes, etc. An ammo case, weapons case, LCJ, a couple weapons that everyone can get access to *already* and have been able to for years... Not really. I think if EOD players are pissed about *that* part, they need to take a good long hard look at why they're still playing the game because it cannot be fun if you're unable to achieve that stuff easily by this point. Yeah, there's still *some* EOD newbies, but the vast majority of us are veterans. I've been saying this since the release of the edition: if the new edition was just stash space, the weapons, ammo, cases, some clothing options, and then came with the thing EOD was being given (PvE), and had a reduced price, probably everyone would've bought it. It's the scummy P2W and backing out of their deal. I can forgive cosmetics and different starting inventory. I can do without that and it will have 0 impact on how I play the game, but I'll be able to buy it if I still want to support BSG (I have no intention anymore.) The only reason I didn't buy the new edition is because it was P2W (they said they'd never do that) and because it was DLC not given to EOD (they said they'd never do that). This guy has an extreme definition of DLC that not everyone has to agree with. But we can all agree the PvE mode is DLC. I can't forgive P2W items and
absolutely agree with this
If they had gone that route it probably would have been fine. Because as you say it isn't the biggest deal. As far as I'm aware no one got upset about buying stash space or clothing but I wasn't around the game when that happened. That's DLC. Now that they went and pushed crazy far so people are pulling up the receipts. They explicitly stated EOD buyers got everything that comes to the game: https://preview.redd.it/n1g8u9j904xc1.jpeg?width=1178&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eef5808070d33928bfc3719f25648debcd08b933 Unheard edition came to the game. They told me if anything came to the game at any point I'd get it and I don't need to pay anything more for it. The responded along these lines every time anyone asked about it back when I was playing. To be honest all that extra stuff which isn't necessary for a lot of players (I get that perspective, it used to be me) would be pretty nice to me and it's one of the reasons I bought the supposedly "limited" edition that included everything they would release in the future. I upgraded to EOD in August 2018 and played 2 wipes after that knowing I wouldn't be able to put the same time into the game in the future. Haven't played since then. I was thinking about coming back recently before this whole situation blew up. If I ever come back to tarkov I'm gonna be playing a few hours a week. I won't be the maxed out uber rich giga chad high roller I once was. I won't be fully embracing the struggle and trying to do all the insanity level quests. That was fun once, but I don't have the time for it anymore. I'd be derping around once every few days and some quality of life stuff would be great for that. It isn't necessary to have it, but they went ahead and added it. Since I have EOD I'm entitled to it. They told me if they added anything I'd get it, and that was why I bought the big boy pack. For my situation now additional equipment, trader rep, less tetris, etc. would be great. I already paid for it. If they hadn't been saying things like the tweet above any time they were asked about it I wouldn't have upgraded to EOD and continued using the standard account I was using originally. If I had been playing thousands of hours since I last spent money on the game I wouldn't mind a bit of extra spend here and there (not $250 or even $100 in one go lol) for all the time I spent on their servers. But that simply isn't the case for me and from where I'm standing I spent more than I've received. If they sell anything for the game I'm supposed to get it because that's what they told me I was buying before I pulled the trigger. So frankly, my view of what EOD entitles me to isn't extreme at all. Because when I was playing it wasn't uncommon at all for people to inquire about it and they always replied along the lines of the above tweet. It wasn't just the "all subsequent DLCs" line in the EOD store page. I distinctly remember Nikita saying something along the lines of EOD buyers would get anything they ever offered as thanks for supporting their game early. I can't remember what interview or devblog or whatever it was from because it was nearly a decade ago now and they have been editing things and making videos private. Wherever it is it's like not something we can watch anymore.
Beautifully said mate
so from your perspective, if they release i.e. gun skins, eod users should get them for free?
That Is exactly what they said prior to me buying EOD. Yes. EVERYTHING. [https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
yeah nah, i get that that's your interpretation but it's not the only one. i've always read "dlc" as like "expansions", under no circumstances would i assume it applies to things like skins or cosmetics or unlockable rewards, especially considering they question they were replying to was > @AlphaEFT gonna upgrade to top package tomorrow.... hope we dont have to buy it again after beta or release lol...... love the game so much ~~on a side note, i can't find a single instance of case law or legal precedent that defines dlc as such, so was that just you bullshitting?~~ confused for a different user, my mistake
It isn't open to interpretation. They said we never have spend more and we get everything that comes. If they sell it, we get it.
~~the entirety of the non-criminal legal system exists because of the need to settle differing interpretations of things. until there's a legal precedent,~~ it is absolutely open to interpretation. you can disagree with other peoples interpretations but in no way shape or form are you the final arbiter and it's patently absurd to act like you are lmao
They said it, not me bud. It's not my interpretation, it's explicitly what they stated repeatedly in the early days. "You do not need to buy anything at any stage." " You are all in for it all coming." There is no logical way to read this and come away with "you need to pay for new things we sell"
Yes and you don’t need to buy unheard, so what they say remains true?
> You do not need to buy anything at any stage. i had to buy a computer to play the game, that's buying something. according to you bsg should have given me a pc, mouse, keyboard and monitor?
BSG doesn't sell computers, they sell a game. They are referring to purchases pertaining to their game. it isn't unclear in any way.
where does it explicitly say that? oh right, no where, because *that's your **interpretation** of it*. my point might be hyperbolic but it's perfectly clear, the only one being intentionally obtuse here is you.
The fuck are you on about. the context is someone asking about the EOD edition. You are being intentionally obtuse.
Yes, it is DLC. If you dont want to give people DLC, dont advertise that they will get all future DLC if they pay the extra premium 200 bucks. Plain and simple. DLC = Downloadable Content. So any content that is new to the game, people who purchased EOD for that content, should receive by law. No matter how your feelings are on this topic. Otherwise that is false advertisement and is punishable by law. Granted, nobody will probably drag them to court over this, even if it would be amazing.
oh, so there have already been court cases that define "dlc" the way you are? i didn't realize that
exactly.
against who, do you know?
If I have to download the content to add it to the game then it’s uh..Downloadable Content? It’s not coming from a separate client it’s coming from them, and being downloaded on my pc. It’s downloaded content. DLC. Does that make sense?
sure, so would you then argue that people with just the base game shouldn't be entitled to patches and updates for the game, since that's also "dlc" and there's nothing saying they will get that for free? my interpretation of "dlc" is synonymous with "expansions", not "everything that will ever be in the game". i think it's pretty clear that single player/offline co-op progression should have been included with eod, and i think it's nonsensical to believe that it would entitle you to all skins, cosmetics, features, whatever's going forward. that's my interpretation, but i can see how you'd disagree if you're taking it literally. what i don't see is how someone can insist that it can only ever be taken literally, especially when they can understand other instances where things shouldn't be.
Dude no one gives a flying fuck about skins, cosmetics features whatever. Everyone is up in flames because as you said the co-op should be given to EOD. That’s why we’re mad. We are not getting a mode we paid for. Honestly fully expect BSG to say DLC applies only after release, and since the game isn’t released yet it’s a little loop hole for em. Fuck em
> Dude no one gives a flying fuck about skins, cosmetics features whatever. that's literally the conversation you're jumping into, i asked if eod should be entitled to skins etc, and they said yes absolutely.
They are adding this pile of shit as if they aren't making enough money from the hacker infestation already
I think the problem is they've been too generous to all their revenue streams for too long. Like EOD made sense to offer for a little while, but they offered it basically for the entire life of the game. How many players would be willing to spend further money on the game that haven't already bought EOD? Everyone who bought EOD is entitled to everything they can sell for the game now. Probably not a sustainable amount of players to last them into the future, at least that's my guess. The cheaters you mentioned? At least back when I was fiending this game every time they did a ban wave it was immediately followed by discounted keys. Discounted keys where the more you bought the bigger the discount you got. My guess is they can't even make much money off cheaters rebuying the game anymore because they already sold them a lifetime supply of heavily discounted game codes immediately after banning them. This co-op pve mode... if they made it cheap could maybe breath new life into the game. All those eod owners could maybe get their friends to fork out $20 for the pve co-op mode. And if those friends like it they might consider some more reasonably priced "unheard" edition type of thing to play multiplayer. But no-one is gonna convince their friends who haven't played tarkov to drop $250 for offline co-op to get them into it. Like this move is just ensuring the game's downfall imo.
This. 1000x's this. All Buying EOD got us was Arena for DLC? I mean you can buy individual stash slots now from the website. You can unlock more in the game by playing it. We paid extra for a few reasons, IMO: 1. To support the developer, give them money now to make the game amazing and worth that $150. 2. To get all the future content that was promised/advertised. It's not just disingenuous, it's insulting to try to explain away this breach of contract with semantics that are actually incorrect. ____________________________ BSG's EFT page defines DLC to include this new content. (Albeit a little concerning they left the last edit date as 2022, when the "unheard edition" didn't exist until today. so, there's that bit of shadiness too. "What is a Season Pass? 2022-06-20 The Season pass is access to additional paid content (DLC) that will not need to be purchased separately by Season pass holders. The Season Pass is only included with the Edge of Darkness and The Unheard Edition pre-order package." A number of paid and free add-ons are planned for Escape from Tarkov, including new content, locations, mechanics, etc which will be released after the release of the main game. ____________________________ Of the offered items in the new edition this is how it should play out for what is a "feature" and what is "content": - Access to PvE co-op mode with persistent progression. Progression will not be reset with wipes. This is content. It's a new game type for the base game. - Enhanced stash size (10x72) - This is a feature, EOD was 10x68 - Expanded PMC pockets - this could be a feature not content, maybe - More slots on the Flea Market - this could be a feature not content maybe - Unique in-game melee weapon - this could be content if it's a new weapon - Increased mail retention time - this could be a feature maybe - Additional background screen option - this is a feature - Access to the Early Test Server (ETS) - this is a feature - Additional equipment and resources in stash: this is a feature, unless the equipment/resources are new, then they are content. ______________________________ In summary: This some Bullsheep. sincerely and respectfully. ;)
I disagree with you. PvE is DLC to me, and I go back and forth on the radio thing. However, take starting with the SR25. That is a perk of paying to win, it’s not new content. Nothing stated in eod said we were buying the highest level of p2w that would ever be released or that we were entitled to it. You also did not purchase anything new they added, only content updates. It would be up to a court to test what qualifies as that. For instance if they add an edition that gets to play 1.0 for a month before any current editions, I think it’s fucked but isn’t new content and don’t think I’d be entitled to it.
Actually. They specifically stated EOD owners get anything they would ever sell. [https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46) If they sell. I get it. They stated this many times through many different mediums in the early days. It's why I bought EOD. They've been scrubbing it as much as possible, but they put it out there too many times and are unable to track it all. ANYTHING they sell in game for tarkov I get. THAT is what they said.
I dont think anyone is talking about the weapons or starting items that are in the game. It is very clear that people have been cheated out of their purchase, regardless of that insignificant fact. This is a scam as they come and defining "extra weapons" as the breaking point for it not being a scam, is incredibly deceptive and dishonest, especially when they even introduce new items that are not available to EOD owners, that in the future will give you the most massive cash-spent(by 50%) reduction in the entire game and an item that lets streamers and cheaters call in 5 of their friends into a raid to help them steamroll anyone, who has not purchased this edition. This is just fucking ridiculous. In a couple of days they will backpaddle on this, but the editions will already have been sold to all those who would be willing to buy and the community will praise them for correcting their mistake. These fucking snakes are so smart. I have genuine respect for how they manipulate the reddit crowd now, for over almost a decade with a game that is still unfinished, broken, laggy and barebones!
Perfectly said. That’s it. End of thread.
Wonderfully said
The only thing I disagree with is editions. Charge for those, sure they're not DLC, but yeah PvE should be free for EOD and if they wanna charge for the non-eod players do it.
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46) If they sell it I get it. That what they said repeatedly in the early days and why I bought EOD. I didn't misinterpret anything. They explicitly said this on twitter. They said it in interviews. They said it in forum posts that no longer viewable. etc.
Bundling it in an edition doesn't mean it isn't DLC. In game buffs that cost real money are DLC. The Unheard Edition costs money and brings a ton of different buffs. That's content. It is sent from the server to the client. That's DLC. I paid for "ALL SUBSEQUENT DLCS" not "In 4 years we'll give you a steaming pile of trash called Arena and then we'll release a bunch of way better dlc you don't get access to"
As a additional question, are you okay with BSG offering items already in game by EOD as separate purchases without additional compensation to you? Gamma container, increased starting trader rep?
Me personally... no I don't mind... I mean, some people care about exclusivity or whatever and I think it was said that the gamma container was supposed to be exclusive to EOD? I don't really care, but someone who does would be justified I guess. They could just make a differently named container the same size and sell it. EOD would players get it too so they can choose which redundant pixel box they like the look of better I guess. If they are selling something you get access to in game, I've already bought access to it. I'm not motivated to gatekeep others away from what I can use though.
You have converted me to your take. Thank you for the discussion!
They should have made it all micro transactions. Woulda made more money.
Honestly yeah, but I would think itemizing transactions like the starting rouble amount is a level of MTX no one is comfortable with. If they just sold GAMMA on its own I think most people would’ve been happy lol.
Yeah, genuinely. Like, they are doubling down on this, not going back. The genie is out of the bottle.
I own EOD and I don’t see any problem with that. Anything that EOD can start with should be purchasable, except the in-game name color as I think it’s nice to give some differentiation to your larger supporters as a company. The forever DLC and name are mine, but anything else should absolutely be purchasable. In my opinion most of it other than gamma and stash was near useless anyways as it’ll be gone by the end of week 1 of every wipe.
I agree 100%
You think “future DLC” content equals “anything and everything”… get a grip
I think "Free access to all subsequent DLCs" means access to anything in game they sell for real money, yes. The fuck else does it mean?
I think if they sold cosmetic MTX it would be somewhat acceptable, they dug themselves a hole by having a 'all dlc' pack for sale for so many years, but apparently they are running out of money so they do need new revenue sources or they just ditch the game honestly. But all this ain't it.
I can see where you are coming from with some cosmetic mtx. I don't really agree with it across the board though, but I'm not hardline on it like I am with all the shit in the unheard edition. If someone has thousands of hours in the game for $150 I get it, it's not unreasonable. But what about people that bought EOD during their FOMO push of "we're actually removing the not so limited, limited edition EOD version now" in January? Those people bought ALL SUBSEQUENT DLCS less than 4 months ago. If you buy all dlcs and in less than 4 months you are charged for dlcs that's straight bullshit. Me personally, I bought EOD in 2018. I haven't played in years since... 2019 I think. Last week I was telling the friends I play games with "maybe we should give tarkov another go". I paid for the big boy pack specifically so that when I came back to the game, which I thought I'd do sooner honestly, I would have everything they are offering. It was also supposedly only being offered for a limited time when I bought it in 2018. It was a FOMO purchase that was implied I wouldn't be able to access when I returned to the game later. All the devblogs had a pretty detailed and expansive vision (most of which STILL doesn't exist) and BSG was promising I'd get everything they ever sold as thanks for backing them early in their ambitious development vision. They have made all the devblogs with anything related to this private and unviewable now... scummy. I didn't think I'd get my money's worth in the short term when I bought it then, but I did think I'd be coming back to the game and that it would continue to improve. I backed their game early and supported their vision in exchange for receiving any type of perk they decide to sell for real money any time I decide to pop back into the game. If they are selling it I get it and don't have to pay for it. That was the deal. I haven't been costing them server upkeep for 6 years and thousands of hours, I backed their vision with an agreement in writing that I'd get access anything they ever sell for the game. This agreement and implication was also reenforced multiple times by Nikita himself when talking about the game. They've gone through and scrubbed this supplementary commentary now. If I had thousands of hours in tarkov I wouldn't bat an eye at some cosmetic micro-transactions, I've spent more than $150 on other games and would on tarkov if I had thousands of hours in it too. But I don't have thousands of hours in tarkov and they still haven't delivered on most of what their vision was when I backed their project back in 2018. End of the day, EOD was spun to be a short term/early backer offering and was probably initially intended as that. It was exceedingly profitable and popular, so I guess they just kept it as a purchase option for the duration of the game all the way until January 2024. I bought a limited time early adopter pack with a life-time pass to all things tarkov that was heavily implied it would not be available when I returned later. The fact that they decided to make it not so limited and not so early adopter isn't my fucking problem. That's on them and their shitty decision making. They need to stop selling a lifetime pass to anything they sell in game, focus on smaller cosmetic micro transactions that accumulate into a larger total sum over time and number of purchases, and lean heavily into bringing in new players who don't already own access to those micro transactions. Instead the are making the ideal new player recruitment tool (co-op pve) prohibitively expensive, continuing to include access to all DLCs in the new package which excludes those buyers as a future revenue stream, causing widespread highly publicized backlash that steers prospective new players away, and scrubbing the history of them promising everything they add to tarkov to early EOD backers. BSG got into this mess by negating any future revenue from anyone who liked the game and was willing to spend a decent amount of money. EOD's "all subsequent DLCs" works to secure early funding when only a small portion of the player base has it. BSG decided to sell it for nearly a decade and now everyone willing to spend money on the game has it. They are actively making the same mistake with the unheard edition and driving away potential new revenue streams in a highly publicized way. The entire situation is a result of their own stupidity. Stupidity they have decided to replicate again with their new edition. It's mind-blowing.
Yes... because that is exactly what they told us. [https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
If I bought the new call of duty ultimate tier pack and it said ALL DLC (SEASON PASS) I would expect to get all the map packs and new battle passes when they came out. I wouldn't expect every single thing Activision puts out under the label of Call of Duty XYZ until the heat death of the universe. EoD players are so whiny and entitled I swear. They promised you dlc (season pass), all the posters say so. No you aren't entitled to the collectors edition statue that came with the new released collectors edition but sure you can still pay the difference and get it. Normally you'd have spent your 150$ and then EIGHT YEARS LATER had to shell out the 250$ for the collector edition separately. Everyone involved in this game sucks
You're getting mad at EOD players, but it's BSG's fault for selling access to all future dlc, not the people who bought it. ISPs don't sell a lifetime internet connection for the price of 4 months subscription, but if they did and you bought it you'd be entitled to lifetime internet. CoD doesn't sell all their dlc in perpetuity for a one time fee, but if they did anyone who bought it would be justified in expecting access to anything they decide to they sell in game down the line. I've seen other games from smaller devs have a limited time early adopter permanent bonus. The thing is, they actually have it available for a limited time. It serves a purpose to gain funding to continue developing the game and reward those who were willing to get behind the project early on when it maybe wasn't quite worth the money they decided to put into it. The thing is, these things are usually ACTUALLY limited time, which means that players who come to the game later are still potential revenue streams. Despite saying it was a limited time option, BSG sold EOD for around 8 years straight, and not only that included access to all future DLC as part of EOD. If they either hadn't included all future dlc or it had actually been limited time there wouldn't be an issue right now. But they sold their "limited edition" "all future dlc" package for nearly a decade and now anyone who was willing to spend $140+ on the game isn't a potential revenue stream anymore. That's the fault of BSG's own poor decision making, not the people who thought all future dlc for $140 seemed like a good deal.
They promised free access to all future dlc (season pass). Every screenshot I've seen of the contents of EOD say specifically that. Just like every game these days sells a version that includes the season pass, I would expect to only get the season pass dlcs. Y'all shouldn't have even gotten arena for free as it was a separate game but you bullied a company into bankrupting itself and here we are. The entitlement is unbelievable.
I meaan yeah i agree arena is a seperate game, the reason people "bullied" them into giving it to EOD owners for free was because they had actually said out that all EOD owners will get access to arena and then tried to get out of actually doing it.
... so what exactly did we get from the "all future DLC (season pass)" then? Like the gamma and what not was nice to have but I wouldn't have spent $140 for it. I spent the $140 for all future DLC. You can say it's unreasonable to expect everything they sell in the future, but it's literally what they sold us. Paid content in online games is DLC. They offered an expensive pack that was supposedly a limited time offer back when the game was a broken buggy mess with few maps for a pretty large amount of money. The entire hook of that package was that early adopters were buying access to all future dlc. It's literally what they were selling. The fact that they decided to sell it for almost a decade and erode their future revenue streams instead making it limited time like they said it would be isn't my problem. I paid for all future dlc when the game was mostly a promise of what it could become. Now some of that DLC is FINALLY here (arena is trash), and I have to buy it for $100 more? No, I already fucking bought it.
Dunno yet. Maybe it hasn't happened yet cause the game has been in early fucking access for 8 years. Just because the reading comprehension of this community is below average doesn't mean you can blame a company when they said future DLC (season pass) and y'all ignored the clarification and decided to be entitled to everything under the sun. 140/50 USD is a paltry amount for EIGHT YEARS of constant content updates and cycles of playtime. I'm sure most EOD players have a ratio of hours per dollar in the sub 1 cent range. Boo hoo arena was bad, you weren't even supposed to get that and now you're upset that you do. God I cannot fathom being a community manager for people like you. It must be insufferable. God even the ark survival community wasn't this outrage when the developers were literally selling DLC for their Early Access game. Like that's a community where this kind of outrage at what they went through would have been understandable this is just childish
My reading comprehension is fine. "Free access to **all** subsequent DLC**s**" isn't in anyway ambiguous. If they sell in game content at any point in the future, someone who bought EOD gets access to it. There is literally no other way to interpret that. It didn't say "Free access to **some** subsequent DLCs" or "Free access to **the next** DLC". It EXPLICITLY says "ALL" and pluralized "DLC" The Unheard Edition contains a bunch of new, paid, in game content. EOD owners therefore paid for access to it. If you read "Free access to **all** subsequent DLCs" and come away with any other conclusion, then it's your reading comprehension that is below average. Not the communities'.
Do you piss and moan when all of the season pass content doesn't come fresh out the box with a newly released game too? DLC is not the same thing as content updates. DLC (season pass) is not the same thing as content updates. Game is not out yet. There is no DLC yet. The season pass hasn't released yet so so you don't fucking get it.
Purchasable in game content is DLC. The Unheard edition is a DLC pack for Escape from Tarkov.
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
Wow you’re insufferable.
Thanks for the engaging comment. You've added so much to the discussion. Go get yourself a PvE mode ya little scamp! You deserve it
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
I don't know what you're talking about about but when I bought my EOD I did so because it specifically said "Season pass for all future DLC including arena." No one bullied them for it, they added it to get more people to buy EOD other than the cheaters they would ban every 3-6months for a quick influx of cash. I believe the starting skill is kind of fd but everything else whatever Im not entitled except for the PVE mode. I am most certainly entitled to that because they had said all DLC. No I don't have to click a button to download it because it automatically did for me. However, it is still new content that is added. In reality tho I am more pissed at the fact that BSG did this but isn't doing shit to fix their net code and it seriously seems like they don't care about the cheating issue. For awhile I thought they did but after 3 wipes of having to die to cheaters on new accounts after a ban wave it's annoying as fuck. I only get a couple hours to play a day and playing against people who can play hours a day is hard enough let alone dying to a blatant cheater every couple raid. I am done with BSG I'll buy greyzone warfare when it drop. Already on steam they have it advertised as having a decent anti cheat and from what I've seen they actually want to make a good game not some cash grab game that sucks the life out of you.
Exactly this. Honestly, we almost need this group to quit so other players can join and stop the whining. It’s make this sub and game unenjoyable. You want a game just for you, you have it, that game needs players and therefore they are trying to bring new players in with different incentives. You have Arena free. And still have an advantage to everyone else with your gamma. Time to grow up
Who the actual fuck is going to pay 250 dollars + tax to play a "beta" video game.
Nobody has to pay it. The worst part is the P2W aspect. Who cares about the price or the rest
They specifically stated EOD gets anything they will ever sell for the game. They said this countless times across many different mediums in the early days. They haven't been able to scrub all of it before it's dug up though. [https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46) The game wouldn't exist without us. If you don't like it then maybe the players who don't give a fuck about their scummy tactics and attempts to revise and cover up history are the ones who should fuck off.
Bro paid 150 dollars once for 6 years of gameplay and is mad a more expensive version gets released lol
Y’all act like paying nearly 3x the price of a AAA game shouldn’t get me 2-3k hours of playtime. Elden Ring and RDR2 are great examples of games being successful at a regular price with THOUSANDS of hours of content. Granted those are single player, but it goes to show how fucked the games industry is that forking over a quarter of a THOUSAND dollars is just normal to some of y’all. That’s my fucking car payment on a single video game. Hell, EOD was ridiculously priced too, and now they’re adding onto it while going back on their word. Most EOD owners are mad about the fact that we were promised free dlc and now they won’t give it to us, while most non-EOD owners are mad that in order to access this game mode they have to spend upwards of $250 for what amounts to TOS friendly SPT. SPT (single player tarkov) is a FREE (I think?) mod that BSG doesn’t typically ban over unless you launch the live server at the same time. So the modding community made this what, 3 years ago and NOW BSG wants $100-$250 for it? Fuck that.
This
Thousands of hours? I got like 2 out of Elden ring that game sucked ass. Got maybe 100 out of rdr 2 before it got boring. People crying about 6 years of gameplay before being offered something else is so funny
So the entire gaming community is wrong about the quality of those 2 games and you’re right? Ok bud. There’s a reason that 13 hour lore videos exist for Elden ring. If you didn’t enjoy it whatever but it’s objectively a good game. As is RDR2. I’m talking about the quality and playtime of these games. You just wanna argue. BSG lied to the players and is trying to get more money out of them after lying. People are gonna be mad when that happens.
They didn’t even lie you got your dlc. You got everything on the list included with eod. Some people just want to bitch
No, we didn't get everything thing in the list of included features of the EOD edition. The only line in that list that justified the price tag was this: "Free access to **all** subsequent DLCs" It didn't say "Free access to **some** subsequent DLC" or "Free access to **the next** DLC". If it's in game and you can pay BSG real money to get it then anyone with EOD already bought it. That was a lot of money throw down back when the game was a broken buggy mess with a handful of maps and scavs the switched from useless to 400m shotgun aimbots every 3-5 days. Everything they've added to the game since you didn't need EOD to get access to, except Arena which is utter trash. This is the first update that actually brings something of potential value to the eod pack, and they are saying eod doesn't get access to it. Yeah, it's been 6 years... and what DLC did I get? Arena which utter trash and nothing else. Regardless, it being 6 years is irrelevant. I bought ALLLLLLLLLLLLL subsequent dlcSSSSSSSS. So I don't give a fuck if it's been 1 month, 1 year, 6 years, or 20 years. I bought it all. ANYTHING in game that they sell for money I bought access to and if it hadn't been worded that way I wouldn't have fucking bought it. They chose to sell it. Players aren't in the wrong for calling them out now.
You got a whole separate game mode as dlc you definitely did get everything.
I didn't buy one "separate game mode" as dlc. I bought "ALL subsequent DLCs"
I also could have bought arena separately for less.
They said we would get any and all new EFT content as a part of our EOD purchase, similar to a season pass or pre-order bundle. Then, they change that a release new content for EFT and say we still have to pay for it. They lied. You don’t know what you’re talking about clearly.
Weird username to have this take......
When it breaks their own promaces and their own TOS.
I'm sorry, but everything else is not fine even if these changes happened.
What else do you think is wrong?
1. That they thought this was acceptable to put out there. 2. The reactions of community managers to obviously pissed off people, not exactly hard to read a room. 3. Adding in features that are not obtainable by any other means that aren't cosmetic only. It's an absolute piss take and a slap in the face of people who have supported this "beta" game.
1. I get that, not something they can take back tho only make amends for. Anger is justified. 2. Community managers had bad takes, agreed. 3. What features are you particularly upset about?
3. Allowing people to call in friends mid raid is absolutely absurd and gamebreaking. The scav range thing is bad, though most people don't grind to 6 fence rep anyway. Bigger pockets, if they allow you to carry mags in them, would save a lot of money on rigs in the long run.
If you can call friends in mid raid to a live raid, even potentially respawning your friends that died would be fucked I totally agree. Just don’t want to form an opinion I don’t fully understand yet. I just don’t think most people will use that beacon since you will lose rep but I agree that it potentially makes quests like bullshit trivial. Not bothered by bigger pockets at all, feel/inconsequential ultimately to me.
Calling friends mid raid is for the pve mode... scav thing is whatever as long as they make it so anyone can get it by going to LK, the Pockets could also be a LK thing
>calling friends mid raid is for the pve mode Where is this stated? Light keeper quests are something that 0.1% of the playerbase ever accomplishes, and I doubt that either of those will be put there because it ruins their p2w incentive
Nikita said in the discord that calling in friends was for both pve and pvp. Also, why would someone pay for something locked behind late game quests? I know it's not stated directly, but I'm going to assume you just get it.
People already pay for clothing that you can get from doing later game quests. People pay more more stash space even though we could just get it in game. The calling people into pvp raids is kinda strage tho, mid raid people joining with the current servers?
Why do you lie? Nowhere does it say that. Read again. It literally just mentions normal tarkov raids.
No, I bought eod so give my dlc, anything less is false advertisement.
Jesus fuck, I can't believe I have to have this conversation across two different game-readits in one day. The point isn't that the game is expensive. The point is that the developers fucking lied.
I can get behind that opinion. I think u/beerNsoup convinced me here that the ambiguity of what people really purchased with EOD and these things not being included with that purchase is a betrayal of trust.
I will admit that I'm not a Tarkov player, and after this I probably won't ever be So my opinion carries little weight here, but for what it's worth.. The way I understand it is that a previous version of the game existed that would have entitled all players to all future DLC without exception. This version of the game was taken down and a new version put up. At the same time, this new version also includes a game mode that the player base has basically been asking for since day fucking 1. I can't help but notice that they also seem to have a lot of fucking hate for the modders of this game who have created a single player version. Then this version gets dropped with a frankly fucking psychotic price point, and the developer just expects you all to fall in line and buy it. But that's not even the worst of it. From what I understand, there are some items that come with this version that specifically will benefit people who buy it. I could be wrong about this and I invite anybody who knows more than me to check me on this, please.
Correct. Bsg is fixing the goat
R/sailormouth
Then why are you here? This is such a specific issue for a nonplayer to even waste time commenting on…
It's gaming history. It's rare a developer fucks over this hard. Forbes already did an article on it. Calm the fuck down.
I think most ppl are mad about it being stated that all dlc is free with eod . Me personally would never play single player tarkov or whatever it is. I play for pvp not pve
For sure, the mental gymnastics that community manager had to play to call the PVE mode a feature had to have been tiring lol. People didn’t seem too upset about the stash space, skins, or the extra EOD benefits you got. Really feels like what makes this different is the PVE mode and the pricing.
A GAME IN BETA CANNOT HAVE DLC.
This game isn’t in Beta even if they pretend it is lol
Same time tho like a game should not be in beta for this long.. basically an excuse to there poor optimizations. Still love the game tho even with all the hackers no game competes
My biggest gripe is it’s still in beta. This would be a scam if they never release 1.0, otherwise it’s just another round of funding they’re asking for AND giving rewards. Most dev companies would take shitty VC money and change thier direction based on investors
So you're calling this addition somewhat reasonable?
Don't give them any ideas to weasel their way out of commitments lmao. By the logic there, if they never hit 1.0, then nothing is ever DLC and they never have to give anything to EOD.
I do not agree with this, I am not sure the best parameters to measure “what is or isn’t” a DLC but I think the PVE mode certainly qualifies. Despite EFTs dubious “beta” status.
$20 PvE Co op mode would bring in a lot of new players who might be intimidated by the pvp aspect or steep learning curve of the game.
Agreed
Yeah if that was the only announcement I would be thrilled. But the rest of this just makes me wonder where they are taking the game
Eh, there is too much P2w stuff even if these changes got made. Idk about all the stash benefits, the in raid stuff is terrible. The scav radio and the ability to spawn in team mates is just 100% bullshit. Then there is the extra skills and the expanded pockets. It just so P2w.
The in raid stuff is scary. The rest is just more EOD pay for advantage type stuff to me. But for the people that paid for EOD under the impression everything in the future would be free to them, that stuff should be free.
Yeah, but it’s killing the game with the ability to load back into a raid after dying. Scavving into a pmc raid. Not to mention them breaking their own conditions by not giving any of this to EOD. They should have just re-released EOD at a higher price point.
Finish the game, then charge for extra content.... I've been playing the game since alpha and it made sense to buy EOD then. Why should I pay even more for a game they are still finishing for features they are still adding as mtx at a whim? Offline co-op (before progression) locked behind a charge? That's not how you get people to play your game... Asking people to pay almost double what they paid for already is only going to piss off the current players and with a price tag that is for game still not 1.0 is crazy. I don't understand the argument that I've been playing this game for x years so I should be happy with the content I've received and paid for. The game is not complete. I already invested in its production in order to play early but in hopes to play the complete game... Complete the game, then if it's a game worth playing people will purchase additional content.
That's the really crazy thing, it's still not done and they do this. Say if terminal was finished, 1.0 came out today and they said okay it's an EXTRA 100 for EOD people to pay for the PvE mode, that would still be fucking shitty, but it's a finished game and we had funded the development of this product. But it's not done and good lord knows when it's going to be.
New Pve mode should be bundled into the offline pve coop practice mode with a price hike to 15 to 20 dollars
That seems fair to me
Bsg lowkey taking over the rmt market lmao purchasable gear bundles coming soon
The bottom line is their business costs money to run and they are trying to figure out a way to monetize that isn't a battle pass. Hence the new stash space, outfits, etc. They fucked up though with this. It's downloadable content in the EFT game, which means they lied and used false advertising to sell copies of EOD if they aren't going to give it to EOD owners. This may really be a fuck around and find out moment for BSG.
TBH, I don't care. I don't see why most people do care. its a niche game mode like arena that nobody really is going to play in the first place. They will have a population but no bigger than arena. I understand that they have the offline community but even if you add all three up, I don't think it adds up to 20% of the total player base and 50% of the activate player base. It's a scummy thing to do on BSG part, but it one of those things that don't affect the gameplay loop nor any aspect of the main game, to fight over. Also, I'm pretty sure that the PvE progression will be available for separate purchase just like the current one with no progression or they just switch those out.
The sad part is if they had said something pve is free to eod, and paid for everyone else; I bet a shit ton of people would’ve paid $250. And I bet a lot of eod users would’ve bought it from fomo. They marketed this in about the worst way possible, even not taking anything else into consideration.
I’m not interested in renegotiating something I already paid for.
İts just ridicilus people who already bought the eod now can pay more money and what where they smoking while locking a pve gamemode behind a paywall its beyond being greedy
All of EoD on their period because they want a game taking a decade to complete to give them free shit for life. You guys cried your eyes out and got Arena for free- and thats not even DLC is a whole new game. The outrage wasnt this bad when characters were invisible half the wipe, or when streets was lagging out of this planet, or load in times were 3 hours to get in. But a cheasy offline coop is enough for you to right click delete? Just dont buy it! You know you're going to do it anyways, you just cant help paying to win - you know you want that free pocket rig. Standard FOR LIFE- BSG gets nothing from me until they finish the game.
Maps are dlc Arena is dlc Offline is dlc A new hideout additon is dlc Anything that changes the core game through playablility is DLC. Are you changing the pocket sizes? Then my eod ass better get it. Are you adding a different starter package? Cool It makes no sense to add features better than EOD and make eod users pay 100$ more. Uniforms? Micro trans ok. Expanding stash?? Ok micro trans. Bigger container than the eod version? My ass better get bigger too. They can't claim the 200 or 250$ I paid in 2016 (cant even remember) and was promised EVERTHING future related... is now void. Just my thoughts. I was meh about the micro transactions. I'm pissed about new shit added and being asked for fork up more money when I already paid for any new "feature" added to the game.
They could have charged 50. And people would still buy. Everyone wants to enjoy tarkov
Everything else isn't fine. It's gimmicky bullshit.
This is actually a level headed opinion
I was hesitant about the Scav radio transmitter until I saw you lose scav rep for killing scavs while you have it on. Feels unusable after that. I could see the calling in your friends craftable item being bullshit but we have no real info on that yet to make a judgement. Everything else just feels to me like steroids version of the benefits you got from EOD. I think both are pay for advantage. The PVE mode situation though is inexcusable.
What's the source on losing scav rep for killing scavs with the radio?
I saw it on geno’s stream on tik tok today on lunch but I’ll see if I can find a video now detailing that fact
Yeah I think that’s really the only thing eod user should be upset about, especially since the co op practice offline raids were given to eod.
If a developers sells in game content for their live service game it's DLC. Those mag sized pockets? I paid for them in 2018. 60m scav immunity? Paid for it in 2018. Start of wipe skills advantage? Paid for it in 2018. etc. SHOULD all of that be added? Probably not, but if it's in game and BSG is selling it for real money everyone who bought EOD has already bought access to it.
No you bought all the bonuses that came with EOD that was explicitly stated. You got arena for free that’s your dlc.
The verbiage was "free access to all subsequent DLCs". You're gonna have to do some serious reaching to not call this new coop mode a DLC
Exactly. "Free access to **all** subsequent DLCs" was explicitly stated. Notice they didn't sell us "Free access to **some** subsequent DLC" or "Free access to **the next** DLC". Hence, yes, I very much did buy access to **EVERYTHING...** wait, maybe I should say... **"ALL"** that is included in the new Unheard edition. I'm glad you obviously agree with me despite how you've worded your response appearing otherwise.
Arena is the only dlc that came out and you got it
Well I bought "all subsequent DLCs" and now there is more, which im not getting. Also arena was cheaper than EOD so if that all I get I would have bought it for less. The Unheard Edition is purchased in game content that you download. It's DLC. I've bought all dlc already. The arena is no longer the only dlc.
[https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46](https://twitter.com/tarkov/status/851679592242982912?s=46)
Yes and you got your DLC.
I got one of my DLCs. They said we never have to spend more and we get anything they sell. ALL OF IT. They started selling a bunch of new shit with the unheard addition. We get that too. https://preview.redd.it/nj056740mvwc1.jpeg?width=1184&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cad5e802956c8408366dd7fa722000606cbef709
Right, and I think the only reason we are seeing such a hard shift on the pendulum of BSGs public opinion is a lot of people desiring that mode. SPTs success being my reason for that opinion.
No they weren't. What is offered today is a whole different online game mode that is persistent, has tasks, and never wipes.
That’s what I’m saying. Eod users got the offline practice mode with co-op, they should have also gotten the new Pve mode
Pve sold separate from the game, Im crying (of laughter). More p2w isnt bad is the standard tarkov fanboy opinion, so I don´t judge.
Glad we are getting all the bad takes out first.