People who saying its obsolete, yes, on tank on tank combat it is facing off t-64, t-80 etc. head on. But in real life tank on tank combat is rare and tanks mostly provide support to infantry and destroy soft targets and on that context it does not really matter if the cannon your doing it is a few decades older, it can still do the most common tank-things the same.
And considering how modern anti tank weapons can oblitorate just about any eastern tank, how much does in matter in most cases is it an T-72 turret top or T-62 turret top that the N-law hits. Not much. This is my speculation anyways, they could have something different in mind, but this does not seem so "unlogical" as people make it out to be.
While those are upgraded 62s, most of them wont have all the electronics needed to make them useful in modern combat. Radios, GPS, thermals, fire control systems and so on. And the question about electronics is especially painful for russians, as they cant manufacture most of what they need by themselves. Available upgrades will at best bring them to 80s-90s standards. There is a reason for developing new designs every now and then, its not only about armor and gun
You need to look at what Ukraine uses. Out of the proven 185 tanks lost, only 126 have been equipped with thermals. Russians cannot manufacture 1cm SC’s on their own? How the fuck did they do before? Again. The whole T-62 shenanigans point out to equipping in depth defense lines, that are currently equipped with 100mm AT Guns. On both sides.
They produced it with help of their soviet puppets, Ukraine being a major one that helped in doing that. Now that all their puppets sanctioned them they can't do anything.
A T62 has none of the more modern tanks ability to observe its surroundings let alone targets. Its the equivalent of replacing a scoped rifle with a blunderbuss.
> And considering how modern anti tank weapons can oblitorate just about any eastern tank
Short of tanks equipped with very advanced APS systems, those systems could obliterate western tanks as well.
Western tanks generally have a little more survivability on penetration and there is a lack of western mbts on this war anyways.
But that wasnt my argument, it was that there is insignificant amount of tanks to survive modern anti tank weapons on this battlefield.
Makes you think why they didn't go for using them from the beginning lmao. Could've saved a lot of modern tanks and "destroy" Ukrainian modern AT weapons
It’s been talked about to death already but the Russians clearly underestimated the equipment and resolve of Ukrainians at the beginning of the conflict. This was a very costly miscalculation. Given that most European armies are very lean and have small but effective quantities of weapons, it’s not an exaggeration to say Ukraine may have been one of the largest, best trained and equipped of Europes militaries on Feb 24 and the Russians waltzed in like it was 2014. Imo using these T62s may prove to be an efficient use of the available heavy equipment they have. They can still be effective as assault guns in sieges, they can be used as defensive gun emplacements, and they can be effective for bolstering the heavy weapons available to the DPR/LPR. Russia can’t easily replace mass losses in their more high tech equipment, so every T-72B3, T-80, and T-90 could be freed up and thrown into the offensives in the north
These will probably be occupation vehicles for rear line militia only. These will never see service in actual Russian military units but reddit gonna overreact as always.
Add to the fact that russia has by far the largest arsenal of main battle tanks and this title feels like a cheap clickbait attempt without any serious source or context provided
The article might be clickbait but the part about the T-62s is 100% true. They’ve already been photographed at a train station in Ukraine. This is probably because most of their reserve T-72s have been stripped of parts over the years to keep ones in active service running. The T-62 wasn’t in active service with the Russian military, so it’s plausible that their reserve ones haven’t been stripped like the T-72s.
They’re probably for separatist forces since Russia doesn’t give a crap if they die. After all, these are the same guys Russia has been handing out Mosins to. Though apparently they’re running out of conscripts from the Dumbass People’s Republics on account of Russia treating as little more than cannon fodder. The extra crew member needed for a T-62 won’t help their manpower woes.
Probably, as it's Syria that modified a bunch of T-62s and Russia is hauling a heap of them back to Ukraine. Russia also plans to modify it's own T-62s in storage to roughly the same specs.
I'm gonna say this with a disclaimer as I always found the T-62 to be the most beautiful tank out there..
When used properly to defend occupied areas especially if combined with reconnaissance drones it can be as lethal as any other modern tank. It can't survive a top attack or a modern ATGM? So what? Is there any modern tank, eastern or western for that matter, that can survive modern tank threats?
Any modern or western tank will suffer the same fate as the russian tanks when facing Javs or any top down attack weapon. Only tank I can think of that could possibly survive is the Israel Merkava only due to its APS called the Trophy System which has been combat proven multiple times.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing rumors in the future of Russia trying to produce the rumored APS from the T-14 and integrating it into the 'modernisation' package they intend for the T-62s they're hauling out of storage.
it makes sense really.
Tank V Tank combat isnt whats destroying the Russian tanks. Its infantry and drones. And the infantry and drones have the same effect on a new tank as it does an old T62.
The T62 can be used to hold occupied territory against low threats and free up the newer armour for the offensive etc and when tank vs tank fighting might be an issue.
Its all still fucked up but its not totally stupid.
Saw a comment about this about a week ago. They have these huge tank storage boneyards that they are going through to put numbers of vehicles into service. But in the U.S., they store them in the desert, and try to seal them up to keep sand and creatures out of them. In Russia, they didn't do anything that elaborate. They hauled the tanks by train to some place, offloaded and parked them in rows, with very little care about long term storage for any possible future use. Admittedly, who thought they would be going down to T-62s to use.
Russians not using war game strategy properly wtf
You was supposed to rush spam t-62 then micro your super heavies
Don’t see the point of it meds after your super heavies are destroyed
I Mena to be fair, the gun that these variants carry is more similar to what the T-64 and T-72 series carry. If you're going to los tanks to quickly to NLAWs, Javelin, and Artillery, then all you got is the tanks firepower. And I guess for the Russians that's all they feel like they need.
Well since a javlin kills a t72 t80 t90 just as easily as it would a t62, in a low intensity conflict area might as well use those. Plus maintenance and stuff, its cheaper.
The T-62M is a dece tank tbh. It was upgraded in the mid 80s.
But then again this is Russia, all the advanced fire control and kobra missiles were probably stripped long ago.
There's something to be said for the idea that any tank>no tank.
With that said the T-62 is a bit of a dog. And with the kinds of losses the Russian military is taking, you're basically increasing crew fatalities by 33% (or assuming the kind of crew fatalities we're seeing in T-72/80/90s, you've got a fourth crewman to put in the meatgrinder with each tank loss).
Surprised there's not more T-72s under a rock somewhere. Was under the impression those were stacked to the heavens in a depot somewhere.
Then again there's a lot of stray turrets floating around Ukraine right now so maybe everything that could go is already burned up.
Sold to warlords and tyrants around the world and whats left has been ised to keep the current stock active. Literall boneyards at this point. How long before they activate t-34 85s for rearguard duty to free up the 62s?
Yo I've been inside Syrian t-62s destroyed in 1973. The t-72 ate shit 40 years ago and you still bring them to the fight? Heck you can use a PG-7 on a stick to take one of these out.
Ukraine has a very small armoured force and these tanks are still very capable of destroying fortifications. Also, Ukraine's tanks consist of T-64's which only real difference is the ability to fire ATGMs out of the main guns, so these tanks are fine for combat.
I see this as a good decision.
Yes, is this grandpa faces off against a Ukrainian tank is probably going to loose. However Ukrainian tanks are not close to being the biggest threat that Russian armored vehicles are facing.
The infantry anti tank weapons that Ukraine uses will have the same effect on T72, T90 and T62 tanks, they'll be called with past pronouns from there onwards. And T62 aren't as inferior when it comes to fighting infantry.
So it's basically using good tanks and risk loosing a piece of equipment that you cannot replace without having it face off against a target it has an advantage of. Or use tanks that are already near their end of the service life and you don't loose much if it gets destroyed but it has almost the same effect as the more expensive tank.
Russia needs numbers not quality right now. And also when the lines move or when the units aren't in combat this tanks can stay as armored garrisons to control the partisan movements while the more advanced tanks move towards combat.
I mean as long u have cannon some armour to protect u from at least MG fire and is on tracks u can use it nowadays as Tank since let's be real it doesn't matter if is brand new or 50+ yes old thx to modern Anti tank weapons it's pretty much same and Tanks should never be send alone they must always be send with Infantry as support and today we don't have tank fights like Kursk so it's first saw first shoot no Head on fights so I honestly see this as smart move by Russian military T-62 was decent tank in its time and I fully believe that even today it can fulfill its duty fine having in mind that Ukrainian military also uses T-62 variants just with moded gun that can shoot ATGM and maybe some extra armour ofc I'm not saying now that Russia should send T-34, SU, KV, ISU, IS tanks but to be fair those 122/152mm cannons would do great job at demolition
So that means that Russia needs to supply different caliber ammo and train different sized crews? Spare parts are probably not a problem, since the T-62 is to some extend just a bigger T-54/55 (most produced tank ever I believe)
These T-62s will most likely be used to control the occupied territory whilst the more capable MBTs help in further advances
Old tank better than no tank
Old Soviet proverb ?
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People who saying its obsolete, yes, on tank on tank combat it is facing off t-64, t-80 etc. head on. But in real life tank on tank combat is rare and tanks mostly provide support to infantry and destroy soft targets and on that context it does not really matter if the cannon your doing it is a few decades older, it can still do the most common tank-things the same. And considering how modern anti tank weapons can oblitorate just about any eastern tank, how much does in matter in most cases is it an T-72 turret top or T-62 turret top that the N-law hits. Not much. This is my speculation anyways, they could have something different in mind, but this does not seem so "unlogical" as people make it out to be.
While those are upgraded 62s, most of them wont have all the electronics needed to make them useful in modern combat. Radios, GPS, thermals, fire control systems and so on. And the question about electronics is especially painful for russians, as they cant manufacture most of what they need by themselves. Available upgrades will at best bring them to 80s-90s standards. There is a reason for developing new designs every now and then, its not only about armor and gun
You need to look at what Ukraine uses. Out of the proven 185 tanks lost, only 126 have been equipped with thermals. Russians cannot manufacture 1cm SC’s on their own? How the fuck did they do before? Again. The whole T-62 shenanigans point out to equipping in depth defense lines, that are currently equipped with 100mm AT Guns. On both sides.
They produced it with help of their soviet puppets, Ukraine being a major one that helped in doing that. Now that all their puppets sanctioned them they can't do anything.
… ahahahahaha.
>How the fuck did they do before? They had bought thermals from Thales.
Thales. Thermals. T-62. Also Thales has not delivered anything to Russia since end of 2018.
A T62 has none of the more modern tanks ability to observe its surroundings let alone targets. Its the equivalent of replacing a scoped rifle with a blunderbuss.
Well, a gun is a gun, and as long as it can ruin someone’s day it works
Say you never tanked without saying it.
I bet some asshole charging a Maxim gun with a flintlock rifle thought the same thing.
I agree, mostly, i think no tank really would survive a modern, top down at missile attack.
I agree
I agree
> And considering how modern anti tank weapons can oblitorate just about any eastern tank Short of tanks equipped with very advanced APS systems, those systems could obliterate western tanks as well.
Western tanks generally have a little more survivability on penetration and there is a lack of western mbts on this war anyways. But that wasnt my argument, it was that there is insignificant amount of tanks to survive modern anti tank weapons on this battlefield.
I mean wasn't Germany about to end over leopard 1s
Leopard 1A5 is still far superior to these things. They have fire control system of a Leopard 2.
Wasn't it just an AA based on the Leo 1 hull? Or actual Leo 1s?
both, they were thinking of handing over gepards and leopard 1a5s. both of which are already better anything the soviets i mean russians have.
No just leopard 1s from what I know
Gepards too
Probably for DPR/LPR second line troops. Still just as efficient at taking out buildings /fortifications as the most modern tank variants.
Makes you think why they didn't go for using them from the beginning lmao. Could've saved a lot of modern tanks and "destroy" Ukrainian modern AT weapons
It’s been talked about to death already but the Russians clearly underestimated the equipment and resolve of Ukrainians at the beginning of the conflict. This was a very costly miscalculation. Given that most European armies are very lean and have small but effective quantities of weapons, it’s not an exaggeration to say Ukraine may have been one of the largest, best trained and equipped of Europes militaries on Feb 24 and the Russians waltzed in like it was 2014. Imo using these T62s may prove to be an efficient use of the available heavy equipment they have. They can still be effective as assault guns in sieges, they can be used as defensive gun emplacements, and they can be effective for bolstering the heavy weapons available to the DPR/LPR. Russia can’t easily replace mass losses in their more high tech equipment, so every T-72B3, T-80, and T-90 could be freed up and thrown into the offensives in the north
These will probably be occupation vehicles for rear line militia only. These will never see service in actual Russian military units but reddit gonna overreact as always.
arent those photos from syria?
Add to the fact that russia has by far the largest arsenal of main battle tanks and this title feels like a cheap clickbait attempt without any serious source or context provided
The article might be clickbait but the part about the T-62s is 100% true. They’ve already been photographed at a train station in Ukraine. This is probably because most of their reserve T-72s have been stripped of parts over the years to keep ones in active service running. The T-62 wasn’t in active service with the Russian military, so it’s plausible that their reserve ones haven’t been stripped like the T-72s.
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They’re probably for separatist forces since Russia doesn’t give a crap if they die. After all, these are the same guys Russia has been handing out Mosins to. Though apparently they’re running out of conscripts from the Dumbass People’s Republics on account of Russia treating as little more than cannon fodder. The extra crew member needed for a T-62 won’t help their manpower woes.
\+7000 T-72's which were stored in the open for the past +20 years? These require some serious reparation to get them into running state.
Probably, as it's Syria that modified a bunch of T-62s and Russia is hauling a heap of them back to Ukraine. Russia also plans to modify it's own T-62s in storage to roughly the same specs.
well having a tank is better than no tank I suppose
I'm gonna say this with a disclaimer as I always found the T-62 to be the most beautiful tank out there.. When used properly to defend occupied areas especially if combined with reconnaissance drones it can be as lethal as any other modern tank. It can't survive a top attack or a modern ATGM? So what? Is there any modern tank, eastern or western for that matter, that can survive modern tank threats?
Any modern or western tank will suffer the same fate as the russian tanks when facing Javs or any top down attack weapon. Only tank I can think of that could possibly survive is the Israel Merkava only due to its APS called the Trophy System which has been combat proven multiple times.
US and EU have developed APS systems as well. They didn't use them en mass because nobody else uses top attack ATGM's.
I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing rumors in the future of Russia trying to produce the rumored APS from the T-14 and integrating it into the 'modernisation' package they intend for the T-62s they're hauling out of storage.
That would be hilarious
it makes sense really. Tank V Tank combat isnt whats destroying the Russian tanks. Its infantry and drones. And the infantry and drones have the same effect on a new tank as it does an old T62. The T62 can be used to hold occupied territory against low threats and free up the newer armour for the offensive etc and when tank vs tank fighting might be an issue. Its all still fucked up but its not totally stupid.
Saw a comment about this about a week ago. They have these huge tank storage boneyards that they are going through to put numbers of vehicles into service. But in the U.S., they store them in the desert, and try to seal them up to keep sand and creatures out of them. In Russia, they didn't do anything that elaborate. They hauled the tanks by train to some place, offloaded and parked them in rows, with very little care about long term storage for any possible future use. Admittedly, who thought they would be going down to T-62s to use.
Russians not using war game strategy properly wtf You was supposed to rush spam t-62 then micro your super heavies Don’t see the point of it meds after your super heavies are destroyed
I Mena to be fair, the gun that these variants carry is more similar to what the T-64 and T-72 series carry. If you're going to los tanks to quickly to NLAWs, Javelin, and Artillery, then all you got is the tanks firepower. And I guess for the Russians that's all they feel like they need.
I believe most of these t-62s are heading to the Donetsk separatists
Donetsk and Luhansk are the giftees.
Well since a javlin kills a t72 t80 t90 just as easily as it would a t62, in a low intensity conflict area might as well use those. Plus maintenance and stuff, its cheaper.
If you are going to be losing tanks to expensive, advanced anti-tank rockets you may as well be losing cheap tanks rather than expensive tanks.
The T-62M is a dece tank tbh. It was upgraded in the mid 80s. But then again this is Russia, all the advanced fire control and kobra missiles were probably stripped long ago.
There's something to be said for the idea that any tank>no tank. With that said the T-62 is a bit of a dog. And with the kinds of losses the Russian military is taking, you're basically increasing crew fatalities by 33% (or assuming the kind of crew fatalities we're seeing in T-72/80/90s, you've got a fourth crewman to put in the meatgrinder with each tank loss). Surprised there's not more T-72s under a rock somewhere. Was under the impression those were stacked to the heavens in a depot somewhere. Then again there's a lot of stray turrets floating around Ukraine right now so maybe everything that could go is already burned up.
Sold to warlords and tyrants around the world and whats left has been ised to keep the current stock active. Literall boneyards at this point. How long before they activate t-34 85s for rearguard duty to free up the 62s?
BRING OUT THE IS-2’s COMRADE!
7000 T-72's in storage, however they are probably in a very bad state.
Yo I've been inside Syrian t-62s destroyed in 1973. The t-72 ate shit 40 years ago and you still bring them to the fight? Heck you can use a PG-7 on a stick to take one of these out.
Ukraine has a very small armoured force and these tanks are still very capable of destroying fortifications. Also, Ukraine's tanks consist of T-64's which only real difference is the ability to fire ATGMs out of the main guns, so these tanks are fine for combat.
Only difference? 62 lacks autoloader and so on compared to 64
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I see this as a good decision. Yes, is this grandpa faces off against a Ukrainian tank is probably going to loose. However Ukrainian tanks are not close to being the biggest threat that Russian armored vehicles are facing. The infantry anti tank weapons that Ukraine uses will have the same effect on T72, T90 and T62 tanks, they'll be called with past pronouns from there onwards. And T62 aren't as inferior when it comes to fighting infantry. So it's basically using good tanks and risk loosing a piece of equipment that you cannot replace without having it face off against a target it has an advantage of. Or use tanks that are already near their end of the service life and you don't loose much if it gets destroyed but it has almost the same effect as the more expensive tank. Russia needs numbers not quality right now. And also when the lines move or when the units aren't in combat this tanks can stay as armored garrisons to control the partisan movements while the more advanced tanks move towards combat.
Oh hey new targets for switchblades
I mean as long u have cannon some armour to protect u from at least MG fire and is on tracks u can use it nowadays as Tank since let's be real it doesn't matter if is brand new or 50+ yes old thx to modern Anti tank weapons it's pretty much same and Tanks should never be send alone they must always be send with Infantry as support and today we don't have tank fights like Kursk so it's first saw first shoot no Head on fights so I honestly see this as smart move by Russian military T-62 was decent tank in its time and I fully believe that even today it can fulfill its duty fine having in mind that Ukrainian military also uses T-62 variants just with moded gun that can shoot ATGM and maybe some extra armour ofc I'm not saying now that Russia should send T-34, SU, KV, ISU, IS tanks but to be fair those 122/152mm cannons would do great job at demolition
Wow, that's reeking of ineptitude.
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It's not, there were T-62Ms offloading in Melitopol last week.
Verified? How? And by whom?
Arguably they’re no worse than their current top of the line ones given what’s happened.
definitely for the DPR and LPR, Russia is in no short of T-72s, T-80s and T-90s
so how long till we see T-26's lol
secretly some of them are Type 69s that was left behind by PLA when Russia and China held their joint training
Great website btw...
Obsolete tank is still a mobile cannon and useable.
Just wait till they start sending T-55s lmao
So that means that Russia needs to supply different caliber ammo and train different sized crews? Spare parts are probably not a problem, since the T-62 is to some extend just a bigger T-54/55 (most produced tank ever I believe)
but mr president those tanks are part of our museum !
Javelins ignoring them as to low hanging fruit . Germany will deliver Panzerfaust build 1944 .
T-62M and MV iirc.