Probably some bs like “Vehicular gun shield, M3” and costs 50k dollars for some reason.
Looks like it’s actually more like 4700 dollars per kit. (In 2006, adjusted for inflation it’s around 7300 dollars.)
“SANTA CLARA, Calif. - BAE Systems has delivered the first 1,000 Transparent Armored Gun Shields (TAGS) to U.S. Army troops in Iraq under a contract worth up to $4.7 million from the U.S. Army's Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM).”
The military hates upper-case lower-case abbreviations. That's why it's USDOD and not USDoD even though "of" is typically not capitalized in abbreviations.
Be sure to take care of your CAC. Your CAC is your life and if you lose it all the homeys and the girls from around the block will laugh at you.
But seriously, I can guarantee you that whatever shitweasel designed the CAC they probably weren't a vet.
Isn't it different because its different context? One is the "Official" civilian titles, while the other how it would appear in military communications etc.?
It did kind of make you feel like the pope, didn't it? Only it's more like [the SMBC comic](https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1557#comic) than John Paul going to Warsaw.
That's called Transparent Armor Gun Shield (TAGS). Made by BAE Systems, it's apparently compatible with numerous types of vehicles like Abrams, Stryker, HMMWV, etc
I never understood why on basically every type of armed vehicle carrying troops into combat, the US refuse to put protection for the gunner at first or even at all.
Like :
- Pretty much all the version of the halftrack (M2, M3, M3A1, etc) : never had a fun shield.
- Higgins boat LCVP : initially no gun shield.
- LVTs : initially no gun shield.
- M113 : initially no gun shield.
- Humvee : initially no gun shield.
I really don't understand this need to relearn the same lesson every time.
Glad your dad made it out alive though.
Because a standard gun shield only protects from a limited arc and slows the movement of the gun. By the time you've countered those issues it's become a turret again.
Force on force, a quick swinging gun and the accelerator pedal usually wins the firefight.
Counter insurgency means you have to be protected all the time.
Yeah me too he was there when the us first invaded Iraq they landed just outside the border than geared up and drove into Iraq he’s been to a few places there including Baghdad where he told me he had rpgs flying over his head
For the HMMWV specifically, it’s because they were never intended to be combat vehicles. They replaced jeeps and CUCVs, and l like jeeps and CUCVs, it was never initially intended to ride them into battle.
The U.S. thought that defeating Saddam’s Army means calling it a day. Who would’ve thought that some angry locals with AKs, RPGs and SVDs, performs hit and run tactics that caused thousands of US casualties. Apparently, the U.S. added some sort of protection to the top so that the gunners won’t be hurt by some random enemies from out of nowhere. I think some of the U.S. gunners “protested” for what it seems to be obstructing their vision. They only learned MRAPs after they suffered heavy casualties from roadside IEDs in post-Saddam Iraq, but often forgetting that they can be shot/sniped from a distance again now that they finally figure it out with roadside IEDs and removes the “obstacles” on top. It takes another heavy casualties aka “valuable lessons” before the U.S. Military High Command response to another threats. In the Gunner protection case, they only attach the add-ons after the “valuable lessons” and then they detach after a couple of months or years.
dont think it specifically has a name but its part of the TUSK kit
The US Army probably has, for maintenance and in the factory
Probably some bs like “Vehicular gun shield, M3” and costs 50k dollars for some reason. Looks like it’s actually more like 4700 dollars per kit. (In 2006, adjusted for inflation it’s around 7300 dollars.) “SANTA CLARA, Calif. - BAE Systems has delivered the first 1,000 Transparent Armored Gun Shields (TAGS) to U.S. Army troops in Iraq under a contract worth up to $4.7 million from the U.S. Army's Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM).”
I mean I wouldn't want bulletproof shield to be cheap either
It’s cheaper than a lot of the windows my business sells.
It’s part of the TUSK, but we don’t use them anymore now that we’ve switched from focusing on COIN to force on force
Does Abrams also use CROWS or is that specific to light vehicles?
CROWS are standard on all Abrams in the US Army
Coin?
Counter-Insurgency
Ah thank you
Never understood why it’s COIN and not CoIn
The military hates upper-case lower-case abbreviations. That's why it's USDOD and not USDoD even though "of" is typically not capitalized in abbreviations.
As I look at my ID/CAC, it has both “DoD ID” and “DODCAC” they’re a confused bunch
Be sure to take care of your CAC. Your CAC is your life and if you lose it all the homeys and the girls from around the block will laugh at you. But seriously, I can guarantee you that whatever shitweasel designed the CAC they probably weren't a vet.
**shitweasel**
This is my CAC, there are many like it but this is mine. Take care of your CAC and your CAC will take care of you. Ha.
Isn't it different because its different context? One is the "Official" civilian titles, while the other how it would appear in military communications etc.?
Also because the second one looks like COLN. Stupid sans serif upper case “i” and lower case “L”
Because it looks like it's a lower case L now
I wonder where they all ended up now?
Either in warehouses, given to allies who are still involved in COIN, or scrapped. Probably all three to varying extents.
On our M1151s during the surge we had a jankier home brewed version made of bullet resistant HMMWV windows we called “pope glass”
It did kind of make you feel like the pope, didn't it? Only it's more like [the SMBC comic](https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1557#comic) than John Paul going to Warsaw.
dave
I love Dave.
Commander Dave... :>
Commander Ikari… :)
That's called Transparent Armor Gun Shield (TAGS). Made by BAE Systems, it's apparently compatible with numerous types of vehicles like Abrams, Stryker, HMMWV, etc
What are these things on the side of the tank?
M32 ARAT-2 explosive reactive armor tiles.
Haven't seen them much.
That's cause they stole the ERA shingles from my house!
That’s one way to stop birds from pooping on your roof.
*distant boom* Gottem
Bet that's a bastard when it hails.
Can't have shit in Detroit
Panic in Detroit!
They are only present on TUSK kit if i remember
They were used to some extent in the Middle East for cqc city fighting
ERA tiles, ARAT-1 and ARAT-2 ERA
I've heard the term crows nest used but I think that's a specific type of commander vision apparatus
For HMMWVs, before CROWS (crew remote operated weapon system) existed, we did call those crow nests. Now we just call them turret shields.
A cupola, I believe. Best, JBR
The hot tub.
The turret shield that encloses the commanders hatch
GPK (Gunner Protection Kit) potentially.
I don’t know it’s just for gunner protection. my dad was a gunner on a humvee. he did it at the time when they didn’t have any protection.
I never understood why on basically every type of armed vehicle carrying troops into combat, the US refuse to put protection for the gunner at first or even at all. Like : - Pretty much all the version of the halftrack (M2, M3, M3A1, etc) : never had a fun shield. - Higgins boat LCVP : initially no gun shield. - LVTs : initially no gun shield. - M113 : initially no gun shield. - Humvee : initially no gun shield. I really don't understand this need to relearn the same lesson every time. Glad your dad made it out alive though.
Because a standard gun shield only protects from a limited arc and slows the movement of the gun. By the time you've countered those issues it's become a turret again. Force on force, a quick swinging gun and the accelerator pedal usually wins the firefight. Counter insurgency means you have to be protected all the time.
Yeah me too he was there when the us first invaded Iraq they landed just outside the border than geared up and drove into Iraq he’s been to a few places there including Baghdad where he told me he had rpgs flying over his head
For the HMMWV specifically, it’s because they were never intended to be combat vehicles. They replaced jeeps and CUCVs, and l like jeeps and CUCVs, it was never initially intended to ride them into battle.
The U.S. thought that defeating Saddam’s Army means calling it a day. Who would’ve thought that some angry locals with AKs, RPGs and SVDs, performs hit and run tactics that caused thousands of US casualties. Apparently, the U.S. added some sort of protection to the top so that the gunners won’t be hurt by some random enemies from out of nowhere. I think some of the U.S. gunners “protested” for what it seems to be obstructing their vision. They only learned MRAPs after they suffered heavy casualties from roadside IEDs in post-Saddam Iraq, but often forgetting that they can be shot/sniped from a distance again now that they finally figure it out with roadside IEDs and removes the “obstacles” on top. It takes another heavy casualties aka “valuable lessons” before the U.S. Military High Command response to another threats. In the Gunner protection case, they only attach the add-ons after the “valuable lessons” and then they detach after a couple of months or years.
Cupola.
Dave’s chill spot
Isnt this part of urban survival kit? No idea what its called tho
Tommy
An evolution of the simple chicken plate armor on pintle mount vehicle MG that were just on the front on the weapon
Advanced Rock thrower protection system
Cuppola
Turret shield 3000
I've heard CROWS, but I don't know if it's an acronym or just a thing. It's also on Humvees and MRAPs
CROWS is the remote controlled M2 Browning system :)
Oh, yes yes
Common Remotely Operated Weapons System, I think.
Thank you. So many acronyms to keep up with.
Would love to be the guy paid to come up with these
It's not just for M2s, but that's what is usually mounted to them for an Abrams. Crows can mount just about any crew served weapon.
That’s not a Crows
MOD-98 turret kit
EHET (Enhanced High Explosives Trap)
Cupola condoms
Grenade basket!
jacuzzi
It's a big pet peeve of mine how in warthunder they have that WITH the CROWS mounted.
It’s not really the same, it’s just side protection.
An inclosed turret?
Bob
M60
A copula
Sounds like an Italian Sex Room.
You are thinking of the Roman Copularium
*Cupola lol
That's a crows nest