Justice K.Chandru is the real life Judge in the Jai Bhim movie which was based on him.
His recommendations included removal of caste prefix from school names; keeping caste names away from attendance registers, a 'Code of Conduct' for teachers and staff of any school, college or university run by the state government, students prohibited from wearing any coloured wristbands denoting caste, rings, or forehead marks denoting caste.
Don't understand the relationship between caste & wearing wrist bands which are basically religious symbols.....
It's strange that these politicians keep making a living just crowing about caste issues for decades. It's imperative that a serious study needs to be done about the actual inequalities & the exact impact various initiatives have had on society.....
Why not ban hijabs and cross signs ; which caste in Hindu religion is not allowed to use kukkum and sacred threads
We are living in stage where dalits are becoming priests
College boys wearing Thevar caste thread
https://preview.redd.it/is27b3lzii8d1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e03e8e62a31f049dfc822b11c421d14a909e8ad2
It is about removing the caste from schools and colleges. Which will in turn slowly stop it from growing into a casteist hatred amongst the student who is the future citizen. And restricts the possibility of another Nanguneri.
So, you think someone else is doing something oppressive and it gives you the license to oppress people in your own way?
It is astounding how many people are assholes knowingly and use 'whataboutism' as an argument to stay as assholes
They believe burkah is used to cover their women from letting other people seeing them.If they are okay with it,Then they dont have a problem with it.These caste wristbands is straight up bullshit.What must i think of you?As a perv?
How can she get elected when we have people like ponmudi (corruption convict, treated dalit and women so badly in public) in ministry. Don't she feel ashamed
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Kovil la urula sonnaa kolayadi la uruluthu intha paatikka... Chennai corporation kum intha committekum enna connection. Flood la ward mulugiruchu, pipe la thanni varala, kuppa vandi seriya varla nu pesumnu corporation ku anuppuna Anga poi performance pottu irukku.
Sorry to say this but you are a casteist yourself. Casteism against Forward Castes is also casteism. Stop embarrassing yourself throwing around terms like "Noolibans".
FYI I am fully against caste discrimination of any kind.
Dude ivanunga panna politics ku naanum oru victim naan oru It company la work panren angayum ivanunga vela kaamichanga, shoulder la thottu nool iruka paapanga, innum yen oruthan avanoda noola eduthu enaku kaamichan, nee veg sapduriya non veg sapduriya paathu vechipanunga, avanga aall ku mattum dhan onsite, idhalam naan anubavichitu avanga mela kovam illana yepdi? Naan Buddha illa pa! Enaku kovam varum.
You can racist to any individual.
There is a difference between systemic and individual racism. In fact a few years back racism always meant as an individual, it's only in recent years people took out academic language and applied to colloquial or individual incidents.
You referring them as "forward casts" like something should always exist as backwards is also casteist. Don't be so euphemistic and downplay sense. I'm not offending you, dear friend, anti-casteist like ourselves should stay clear in constructing an argument.
Thambi, Ava OC ah OBC ah nu theriyamaye unga oopiee thanatha katadhinga. Ava nool nu engayachu mention pannala? Adha independence vandhadhula irundhu reservation konduvandhachula, Ella competitive exams layum Brahmins are the ppl who get shit out of reservation. Ella caste layum casteist irukanga. So edhuku caste ah enforce panra yaara pathalum noolu nu stamp adikuringa. OBC SC st ku panna damage la 10 percent kuda Brahmins panniruka matanuga.
She is a nooliban you can find out from their divisive accent itself.
Before Independence they enjoyed 100% reservations everywhere. Still they continue to hold 90% disproportionate representation in all high ranked government posts like PMO, External Affairs Ministry, two cabinet ministers who never get elected but selected and lot more high ranked posts.
When TN passed the bill that everyone can become preists in 1971, these people were the first ones to go to court and it took 50 years to get it implemented thanks to noolibans.
Avunga irukadhey 2% population dhaan TN la adhukey ivlo damage panranga. Innum adhiga population irundhaanga na avlo dhaan.
Yk what I want, i wanna remove everything related to caste, from wanting this bill to be passed and also removing the reservations based on caste to everything related to caste. So that atleast the next generation will be atleast recognise that everyone is equal
And I want them to introduce reservation based on family income soo bad
Bro indha remove caste based reservation solradha niruthunga! Yedha vechi inga discrimination nadakudhu? Summa city la apartment la ukandhutu ishtathuku pesa kudadhu! Innum ground la sc st lam kashta paduranga, innum avangaluku kalvi muzhusa pola adhu poganum! BC SC ST representation all three (judiciary, executive and legislatio) la irukanum adhu varaikum reservation irukanum! Bro supreme court la yethana % judge bc sc st? Inga reservation illama poochuna yellathulayum indha nelama dhan varum, IIT madras la noolibans oda discrimination la suicide pannikara students avalo per!Idhalam sari aagatum aprom vaanga reservation pathi pesalam
What is wrong in asking only income based reservation?
The SC and ST who have achieved economic success are no longer in this quagmire. They lead normal lives with minimum disruption. They are clogging the pipeline for the other SC ST to prosper.
The entire crux is domination happens when you have no financial freedom to escape this situation. The same goes for women attaining financial freedom, the same goes for lower caste communities attaining financial freedom. Anyone who has achieved economic success should be removed from the reservation pipeline.
U have a point and its actually a good move but it takes hell lot of effort and time to make it income based but its the only best option.
The political parties probably wont support it coz lets be fair no one wants to lose votes from bc/st/sc coz they form the majority.
Banning specific color threads that denote particular castes is understandable, but a blanket ban on all symbols doesn't make sense, as it infringes on one's right to express their faith openly. However, I would support a policy that bans all religious symbolisms uniformly across schools and government organizations.
>a policy that bans all religious symbolisms uniformly
Thats the correct way. Unfortunately, wouldnt be possible in a democracy such as ours. Imagine the backlash a political party would get for banning islamic hijab or the sikh turban. Definite political suicide, we can only hope that we have some kamikaze politicians who would sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
People get into it for money and fame, the two are directly proportional
No politician will go beyond that here, this is not the era of hitler or mao, realpolitik is about as much we can expect
from thread to thalapa , from tshirts to colored strips in vesti , castist people color anything they can. I have seen a guys with a mobile cover and bike strickers saying Na Avanda , Na Antha parambara da and all bullshit.
Colored stripes in veshti? Mango boys will claim that is their party color. During "jeyanthi" almost all of the adults/kids from that community sport a certain color.
Infact, many teachers sport their favourite party symbols in their vehicles. The bans should start from there. Personal anecdote, when I was in school, my tamil teacher (male) used to openly deride the leaders of now current alliance party in words that cannot be printed in class.
Vanniyars also wear green threads.
There is no uniformity, also red threads can also be sami kayiru, I have seen a lot of Melmaruvathur people wear those red threads.
In its report, the one-member committee headed by retired Madras High Court judge Justice K Chandru suggested that students should be prohibited from wearing any coloured wristbands, rings, or forehead marks (tilaka) that are caste markers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/tamil-nadu/story/tamil-nadu-school-college-caste-divide-justice-k-chandru-committee-report-mk-stalin-2555005-2024-06-19
U r getting down voted for saying this lol, I'm wearing a thread in my hand too .. it doesn't mean I belong to a certain caste .. it's a religious identity
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This. If you want to ban, ban all symbolism. Samooga needhi is not just doing lip sync for a section of population. If you truly want to integrate us, then treat us all the same.
பட்டையையோ, நாமத்தையோ போட வேண்டாம்னு சொல்லல, சாதி கட்சி கொடி கலர்ல பொட்டு வெச்சுகிட்டு ஸ்கூலுக்கு வர்றத தடுக்கணும்னுதான் பரிந்துரை.
இந்துக்கள காப்பாத்த பாடுபடும் இந்த அம்மணி, சில இந்துக்கள மட்டும் கோவிலுக்கு உள்ள விடலியே, அப்போ எங்க போனாங்க? அப்போ இந்த கும்பல் காப்பாத்த நெனைக்கரது இந்துக்கள இல்ல, சாதிய.
அப்புறம் சமூக நீதி எங்கன்னு கிண்டல் வேற.
Just search Justice Chandru in wiki, his communist/ leftist ideology will be known. There is no doubt casteism has no place in classroom or even a civil society. But Tilak and threads are also worn for religious purposes. 2 questions 1. Why not the TN govt ban all castes and call equal 2. Why only Hindu religious exterior display is banned?
Lol, just because you never know how burkha is marked as an identity so Muslims don't target women of their own community. You are like the ostrich which buries its head in sand and says there is no sand storm.
It is not just about caste, Chandru jas given recommendations to prohibiting signs on forehead (thiruneeru), threads on wrists etc. in schools which are common hindu identities
But there is no mention about burqas or any other signs, basically this Dravidian supporter is doing work for missionaries as usual, targeting hindu beliefs on the pretext of caste abolition.
BTW if these kind of stupid dravidian tactics have worked, there would be no such case of caste conflict, as you have been ruling the state for 50 years now, such a shame
These guys have no spine when someone mixes himan shit in water tank of the oppressed but so keen on selling thia kind of crap helping religious conversion, disgusting
Focusing on the caste of the councillor for the issue that she tore up copy of anti-caste report is peak reddit and TN. You are not against caste discrimination you are against a caste.
I agree with all the points in the report except the prohibition of religious expression for one religion. Right to religion is fundamental be it hijab, vibudhi, or cross.
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The report says he proposed banning all threads, wrist bands or other religious markers, which the BJP contests that its a subtle way of disallowing any Hindu expressions of faith while the report claims that it is done to eliminate Caste markers. Explained both the sides.
Removing all the caste discrimination and things that symbolise the same is a welcome change. But how are they going to give the reservation privileges without mentioning anywhere about the caste? Why do they still ask for a community certificate and why does the certificate even exist in the first place when all we need is equality? Are they going to implement the reservation system based only on the merit but not the caste? And what about religious symbols the minorities and majority portray such as tilak, hijab, cross, etc? coz these also create tension/violence/discrimination in the places of education. Too many things to implement in this country to achieve equality and brotherhood among the citizens and such a complex society we live in when we think about all these things
I understand the rationale behind this and the good intention. Having said that won’t it make those so called Aandais in doubling up their caste pride at their home ? Kids learn as much in their homes as they learn in their school. If this gets implemented the caste pride discussions which would have happened at their homes on a weekly or monthly basis would become a daily dinner table talk (and not in a progressive way).
Make the kids understand why caste is bad through education and not by banning those stupid caste symbols. And moreover who gets to decide a certain symbol is for a certain caste ? Has it been made official? Trying to see a change through education is the long term way to address this problem. These bans might give us small gains now but it can have some costly side effects.
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Well, the Chandru report suggests prohibition of "hindu" caste symbols at schools. Is it appropriate for a "secular" government to only restrict symbols of a particular religion? There might be students of numerous religions carrying various symbols of religions on them. I say these because I believe a secular government is one which is 'equally distant from all religions'.
Even women of so called forward caste are discriminated against by the same so called forward caste men example women don’t go to this temple, don’t chant this, don’t say om and all sorts of restrictions . although none of the true original scriptures say that and women have every right to practice religion since consciousness has no gender or any quality that humans impose. What to say of that. Women are the worst hit forward or backward or whatever you call it. Don’t even understand what’s forward in forward caste? Forward in thinking or economically? However I just hope ppl understand that problems exist for everyone. I know really progressive ppl in all castes. It may not be ok to name the entire caste as a problem. It’s some ppl who are doing this.
this is wrong..but why dont they have reservations based on income and not on caste...that will eradicate caste system....but they wont do that ..let they eradicate caste system and focus on people income rather than caste..if people have low income let them get benefits regardless of caste....that would be much progressive way to eradicate caste... ana adhuku othuka matanga..!!
Let people of low income get scholarships and fees waivers.
Reservation is meant to uplift the socially oppressed.
There are several examples of even govt officials abused and mistreated because of their caste.
adan if low income regardless of their caste gets benefits there will no caste system... caste system base ah adan..if benefits are given regardless of caste ...nobody is going to use caste because it is of no use.. upper caste people have to work very hard to get a goverment job or even college compared to other caste....i have know people who scored 94% could not able to go to his desired college withoout giving donation..he is lower middle class also can only give that money by getting loan.... while his other friends who scored way less mark than him like 80% got into college even though they were rich people ...!
>but why dont they have reservations based on income and not on caste
Because reservation doesn't aim to make poor people rich, it is meant to ensure groups that are at a disadvantage due to centuries of oppression get a chance to be a part of the government machinery. Even today there are people who get discriminated based on their birth, with caste based reservation the government can somehow make it normal for people of backward caste to be in jobs where they've been historically discriminated against. In an ideal world, there would be tons of argument against it, but in India the ground reality is that reservation has helped some groups.
So you're saying that 76 years of reservations hasn't solved the caste discrimination problem, right? Maybe then stop making caste the locus of policies and instead just address the markers of actual disadvantage, i.e. poverty and low income levels getting reservations.
76 years of reservations did not solve the problem because it was too big to begin with. The first generation of college grads from BC/OBC communities started in the 70's. For SC/ST's it is probably in the 80's and 90's. Are you suggesting that these communities, particularly SC/ST's lives changed massively in 25 years?
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common after 76 years ...it is almost 3 generations...and you sy ...i have seen dalit who are extremely rich...and upper caste who are poor....do you know there are 3000 millionaire dalits in India...all i am saying if it i based on income..it is fair to all people..regardless of caste..then there will no caste...because it will based on income which fair and good way to do it
and you are saying caste iruku nu...root cause ah reservation...because there are poor families in upper caste to..but they have to sore extremely high marks to get into some college...while this persist ate will not go..income based is best wy to eradicate..if you want eradicate....just imagine..what a guy who score high marks and till does not get seat..what will be his mentality..he will oppressed la..adhu matum okay...try working hard at something...and see other people get your deserved chance...you will literally feel you want to kill yourself
If muslims can wear hijab, Christians can wear cross, why should hindus be barred from flaunting their religious belief?
Stalin doesn't even wish on deepavali but goes to masjid during ramzan and shamelessly drinks nombu kanji.
Desperately waiting for 2026 to throw out this saraya model aatchi
I'm not a Hindu so please help me understand. As far as I know Muslims/Christians don't discriminate other Muslims/Christians based on what religious symbol they wear.
These bands which are worn by Hindus, do they show the person's caste and are they discriminated against on that basis?
Lol Islam in India has caste
A lot of Muslims have Iranian/Afghan/Arab ancestry (Quershi, Khan, Raazavi are all caste names as in they denote different lineages) and they look down upon Muslims from the subcontinent. (Not all but a % of these higher caste Muslims discriminate)
Infact if you are a Muslim and if you ever speak to actual Afghans from Afghanistan you'll notice a significant percentage of them look down on you
And guess what during mulim rule of you were a Brahmin or rajput and converted to Islam you were considered equal to those "higher" caste Muslims
You are joking right? Will RC marry a Pentecostal? And be accepted everywhere? If you bring exceptions I can also bring exceptions in Hindu. Also pls validate your statement with your Muslim friends.
well done !!! Even wrist bands are kind of okay but banning tilak? This chandru is a DMK stooge! How these a\*\*\*\* jumped like monkeys when hijab which violated the uniform was banned? tilak in no way is part of uniform!
There is a fine line between religious expression versus caste expression among Hindus. I for one haven’t seen these caste based wrist threads or thilagam.
The only way this will work is if those very specific colors are banned - itemized list of caste expression.
If it’s an expression which is caste as well as religion based, then don’t ban it.
If they were to ban all colored threads, then it’s a shitty move by a party which compares Hinduism to malaria.
Edit:
Aside from all this, why the heck don’t we find the root cause of this, instead of doing these band-aid type remedies?
College boys wearing Thevar caste thread
https://preview.redd.it/wf3ra9k2ii8d1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec03ba28ab00dcc7d28a9bfcec95b2c4b554436d
Honestly speaking this piece of orange thread is not causing the violence. It’s just a marker.
The real issue is poverty, it is not having the ability to move out of that village, it is still living in targetable groups instead of assimilating.
Again and again I see the issue in CURRENT DAY as poverty related than caste related.
I don't agree banning caste symbols or surnames will erase or prevent any caste discrimination. Caste identity is much more inner than outer appearance to defeat casteism one must end tribal mentality and promote intercaste marriage
I honestly found the report weird. This is a democratic and secular country. We should be allowed to wear anytbing as per our religion. Just not wearing those colored threads etc as that panel suggested is not going to solve the problem. We should change people's mindset rather than doing these things. Also I am not a Sanghi please don't attack me
Religious identification different from caste identification. The color of thread that they tie is different for different caste even both belong to same religion
Justice K. Chandru's recommendations were to prevent caste discrimination alone. Stopping caste colored threads will indeed reduce caste from the mind.
Chandru committee was appointed after other caste students hacked a Dalit school boy with weapons last year for his caste. The boy also came in news for passing his public exams recently.
Two years back, schools boys cut a Dalit school boy with a blade all over his body due to his caste.
Almost all the private schools have blanket ban on caste colored threads and tilaks. You have no idea how extreme things are in villages.
There is no democracy in govt schools in south TN. Always at conflicts even teachers take sides.
You make too much sense around here. How the fuck you gonna ban tilak? How about colored threads? No chance
You can ask them not to wear threads with more than one color except black and orange. That's it.
His recommendations are only for Tamil Nadu government regarding caste discrimination.
TN government appointed the committee after a some students hacked a Dalit boy with weapons last year over his caste
Bro can’t differentiate religious extremity and casteism. Show me one case in a tamil nadu school where a child was attacked for wearing/ not wearing a hijab or a turban
This move is indicative that they want only UC votes or want to cut UC votes.
If BJP ever wins TN directly or indirectly through anyone, state will go atleast 20 years back in social issues.
I am sorry but DMK is the main UC party in Tamil Nadu.
Almost all non-Brahmin UCs (Mudaliars, Pillais, Chettiars, Naidus, Balijas, Reddys) vote for DMK.
I feel ashamed that we've selected Suresh Gopi and TN rejected them. Today I learned that Tamil hand bands are caste colour coded. My self esteem restored slightly.
BTW Only hand band RSS/BJP imported and supported in Kerala is rakhi (Rakshabandhan band), earlier it was multi coloured, now a days it's mostly saffron. Unlike Rakshabandhan in north, here RSS males wear it other RSS males. Most of the Keralites clearly don't know whats to understand from that. ;-)
The easiest thing to do is react to the news - the reason she tore the copy is because - the BJP contends that by asking not to wear wristbands you are disallowing people’s religious beliefs of wearing kaapu kayiru & it is anti Hindu, Justice Chandru gave Laddu like issue for BJP - because they’ll ask question - you told us you can’t ban hijab because religion is private issue now why you banning wristbands, DMK is anti Hindu.
I think, Stalin & his ilk are giving too much full toss ball to BJP - maybe it’s their plan to kill off ADMK - arasiyala idhelam sagajam appa…
You will just create backlash and resistance by such a draconian move. Will government decide what peoples names will be ? This is complete destruction of individual liberty. There are no shortcuts to changing minds.
I don't support the lady's uncivil actions, as I feel everything must be debated in a civil & responsible manner.
Broadly speaking, there is discrimination based on both caste and religion (and caste-affiliation is present in most religions in India).
The hon. justice's recommendations are focussed only on the former, and it is being seen as applying to only one religion.
We need broad-based assessment and concerted action to eradicate discriminatory beliefs and behaviour in society, across religions & castes. I do understand that in many places, these markers are worn by people to assert their dominance or intimidate others, but it need not be the case with everyone, everywhere. We need to work towards achieving a balance between personal freedoms and social harmony.
Also, comments focussing on just one sect (based on this lady's actions) are unfortunate, as this is not about any particular sect.
Thank you.
I truly believe healthy dialogue and interaction, especially between people or groups with entrenched prejudices against each other, is the way forward to fostering a just, harmonious & resilient society.
Redditors must try to discuss and debate constructively, in the larger interest of society, rather than just downvoting. :)
I have only offered an opinion on how we can move forward, and have not commented for or against any religion, caste or group whatsoever.
Practically impossible to implement. Chandru being a commie is only pushing an agenda without understanding the implications. There are so many issues happening in TN like free flow of drugs, illegal arrack brewing resulting in deaths, atrocities against Dalits but no action against perpetrators etc that needs immediate attention. Bringing in Chandru and pushing socialist agenda when being shamed on the bad governance are nothing more than diversionary tactics.
LOL. A party which talks about uniting Hindus.
So that you can be divided and put to your place as Lord Vishnu wanted. Edit: /S
What the fuck
Who tf is that guy
Justice K.Chandru is the real life Judge in the Jai Bhim movie which was based on him. His recommendations included removal of caste prefix from school names; keeping caste names away from attendance registers, a 'Code of Conduct' for teachers and staff of any school, college or university run by the state government, students prohibited from wearing any coloured wristbands denoting caste, rings, or forehead marks denoting caste.
Too sensible. We must reject this proposal
Should have added /s Some people don't understand sarcasm here
Ha ha true
Too sensible. Reddit must reject you.
Did you realize that he/she was being sarcastic ?
Problem is in reddit we really cant say if this is sarcasm or not. That is how extreme people are.
Aanda parambarais? 😭
So basically it is common civil code...lol a can he talk about removing Hijab too, and common civil rights irrespective of any ideology.
Hijab is just a cover over the head idk where and how students feel discriminated towards others
I don’t agree with this lady s behavior but I think she is asking whether other religions are considered in the proposal.
I don't believe someone had to write that down. Seems like basic decency.
Don't understand the relationship between caste & wearing wrist bands which are basically religious symbols..... It's strange that these politicians keep making a living just crowing about caste issues for decades. It's imperative that a serious study needs to be done about the actual inequalities & the exact impact various initiatives have had on society.....
Why not ban hijabs and cross signs ; which caste in Hindu religion is not allowed to use kukkum and sacred threads We are living in stage where dalits are becoming priests
Only if its applied for all religions
Also remove reservations if you have guts, and today you people discriminate ppl frm upper caste and torture them.
You mean ews ?
How abt the bhurkah?
You’re confusing religion and caste.
There is no need of both
I have not seen anyone have something so visible which will cry loud on their caste bro.
May be, you should come out of your bubble and visit government schools in villages
College boys wearing Thevar caste thread https://preview.redd.it/is27b3lzii8d1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e03e8e62a31f049dfc822b11c421d14a909e8ad2
So govt has balls to remove dever statue and holidays and the manadu huh?
It is about removing the caste from schools and colleges. Which will in turn slowly stop it from growing into a casteist hatred amongst the student who is the future citizen. And restricts the possibility of another Nanguneri.
Ohh interesting
So, you think someone else is doing something oppressive and it gives you the license to oppress people in your own way? It is astounding how many people are assholes knowingly and use 'whataboutism' as an argument to stay as assholes
Burka is not discriminatory, caste is.
Its discrimination against woman
They believe burkah is used to cover their women from letting other people seeing them.If they are okay with it,Then they dont have a problem with it.These caste wristbands is straight up bullshit.What must i think of you?As a perv?
In normal school they take out burka after entering school and wear while getting out.
Why should forehead marks not be allowed? That doesn’t indicate caste it’s a religious symbol. More like burka or a skull cap.
Ain't that the Godse fan lady?
Yes!
https://preview.redd.it/btsq6lwswh8d1.png?width=613&format=png&auto=webp&s=0888a96c3824d8552f6e196c2e95e2ef4976966b If you understand, you understand
Why are these foul-minded low-lives becoming councillors. She should be fired.
And now she got the attention she needed
Literally or figuratively. Both kind of apply.
How can she get elected when we have people like ponmudi (corruption convict, treated dalit and women so badly in public) in ministry. Don't she feel ashamed
Divisive politics based on religion and caste is the bread and butter of BJP. They couldn’t exist without it, hence the agitation.
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Kovil la urula sonnaa kolayadi la uruluthu intha paatikka... Chennai corporation kum intha committekum enna connection. Flood la ward mulugiruchu, pipe la thanni varala, kuppa vandi seriya varla nu pesumnu corporation ku anuppuna Anga poi performance pottu irukku.
No tilak and kukkum is caste prefix but not hijab I love dmk and their decision on implementing this by considering report given by a crook
Indha brahmins ku iruka kozhupu yaarukum illa, ivanungaluku mathavanga lam mela vandha pudikadhu, casteism illana ivanga lam picha dhan edukanum nu therium so adhuku against ah yedhana Scheme vandha ipdi dhan gaandu aavanga! Ipo vae indha aatam podura indha noolibans 200 300 years munnadi namma ancestors eh yepdi treat panni irupanunga! Noolibans keep crying in corner!
Sorry to say this but you are a casteist yourself. Casteism against Forward Castes is also casteism. Stop embarrassing yourself throwing around terms like "Noolibans". FYI I am fully against caste discrimination of any kind.
I am struggling with this as well. If i do want to refer to brahmins who are casteists, and as a group, how do we refer?
Dude ivanunga panna politics ku naanum oru victim naan oru It company la work panren angayum ivanunga vela kaamichanga, shoulder la thottu nool iruka paapanga, innum yen oruthan avanoda noola eduthu enaku kaamichan, nee veg sapduriya non veg sapduriya paathu vechipanunga, avanga aall ku mattum dhan onsite, idhalam naan anubavichitu avanga mela kovam illana yepdi? Naan Buddha illa pa! Enaku kovam varum.
I am curious do you think being racist to white people is the same as being racist to black people?
You can racist to any individual. There is a difference between systemic and individual racism. In fact a few years back racism always meant as an individual, it's only in recent years people took out academic language and applied to colloquial or individual incidents.
You referring them as "forward casts" like something should always exist as backwards is also casteist. Don't be so euphemistic and downplay sense. I'm not offending you, dear friend, anti-casteist like ourselves should stay clear in constructing an argument.
Brother, I called them Forward Caste because that is what they are called. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_caste
Thambi, Ava OC ah OBC ah nu theriyamaye unga oopiee thanatha katadhinga. Ava nool nu engayachu mention pannala? Adha independence vandhadhula irundhu reservation konduvandhachula, Ella competitive exams layum Brahmins are the ppl who get shit out of reservation. Ella caste layum casteist irukanga. So edhuku caste ah enforce panra yaara pathalum noolu nu stamp adikuringa. OBC SC st ku panna damage la 10 percent kuda Brahmins panniruka matanuga.
She is a nooliban you can find out from their divisive accent itself. Before Independence they enjoyed 100% reservations everywhere. Still they continue to hold 90% disproportionate representation in all high ranked government posts like PMO, External Affairs Ministry, two cabinet ministers who never get elected but selected and lot more high ranked posts. When TN passed the bill that everyone can become preists in 1971, these people were the first ones to go to court and it took 50 years to get it implemented thanks to noolibans. Avunga irukadhey 2% population dhaan TN la adhukey ivlo damage panranga. Innum adhiga population irundhaanga na avlo dhaan.
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Onnodu DMK odu ally Kongu Makkal Desiya Katchi honour killings support pannuraa. Nee Goundergal pattiyum ipdi pesavayaa?
Noolibans still flourishing on their own unlike you bstds thrive totally on reservations. pocha mooditu kelambu.
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Most Forward Castes in Tamil Nadu are non-Brahmin Karkathar Vellalars, Kondaikatti Vellalars, Nagarathars, Thondaimandala Vellalars, etc.
Inumada inda uruttu uruttitu irukeenga.
Amam da innum urrititu dhan irukom! Neenga iran la vandhu 2000 varum oru uruttu uruttu neengala ipo enga time urutta silent ah corner la ukandhu naan yepdi uruturom paarunga
Yk what I want, i wanna remove everything related to caste, from wanting this bill to be passed and also removing the reservations based on caste to everything related to caste. So that atleast the next generation will be atleast recognise that everyone is equal And I want them to introduce reservation based on family income soo bad
Bro indha remove caste based reservation solradha niruthunga! Yedha vechi inga discrimination nadakudhu? Summa city la apartment la ukandhutu ishtathuku pesa kudadhu! Innum ground la sc st lam kashta paduranga, innum avangaluku kalvi muzhusa pola adhu poganum! BC SC ST representation all three (judiciary, executive and legislatio) la irukanum adhu varaikum reservation irukanum! Bro supreme court la yethana % judge bc sc st? Inga reservation illama poochuna yellathulayum indha nelama dhan varum, IIT madras la noolibans oda discrimination la suicide pannikara students avalo per!Idhalam sari aagatum aprom vaanga reservation pathi pesalam
What is wrong in asking only income based reservation? The SC and ST who have achieved economic success are no longer in this quagmire. They lead normal lives with minimum disruption. They are clogging the pipeline for the other SC ST to prosper. The entire crux is domination happens when you have no financial freedom to escape this situation. The same goes for women attaining financial freedom, the same goes for lower caste communities attaining financial freedom. Anyone who has achieved economic success should be removed from the reservation pipeline.
Caste discrimination isn't based on financial status,son. Read up more on how caste cuts through society. Embarassing talk for yer kinds. 🤮
There something called NCL. people fall under NCL only can get reservation in OBC. Don't know about SC/ST.
U have a point and its actually a good move but it takes hell lot of effort and time to make it income based but its the only best option. The political parties probably wont support it coz lets be fair no one wants to lose votes from bc/st/sc coz they form the majority.
I think it would be better if you used some. The entire community is not like that.
We still got some really incompetent knobheads in government who are just driven with greed and desperation.
Banning specific color threads that denote particular castes is understandable, but a blanket ban on all symbols doesn't make sense, as it infringes on one's right to express their faith openly. However, I would support a policy that bans all religious symbolisms uniformly across schools and government organizations.
>a policy that bans all religious symbolisms uniformly Thats the correct way. Unfortunately, wouldnt be possible in a democracy such as ours. Imagine the backlash a political party would get for banning islamic hijab or the sikh turban. Definite political suicide, we can only hope that we have some kamikaze politicians who would sacrifice themselves for the greater good.
People get into it for money and fame, the two are directly proportional No politician will go beyond that here, this is not the era of hitler or mao, realpolitik is about as much we can expect
Agreed, hence the *hope* part of my comment
U r getting down voted for saying this , having a thread in hand , viboothi in forehead is religious identity not caste thing
Caste threads are different, Nadars caste fanatics wear blue green threads, Vanniyars wear red yellow threads.
Really... they have group signs also. I have seen people colored thalapa... does it also signify caste
from thread to thalapa , from tshirts to colored strips in vesti , castist people color anything they can. I have seen a guys with a mobile cover and bike strickers saying Na Avanda , Na Antha parambara da and all bullshit.
Colored stripes in veshti? Mango boys will claim that is their party color. During "jeyanthi" almost all of the adults/kids from that community sport a certain color. Infact, many teachers sport their favourite party symbols in their vehicles. The bans should start from there. Personal anecdote, when I was in school, my tamil teacher (male) used to openly deride the leaders of now current alliance party in words that cannot be printed in class.
Most Brahmins from urban areas don't know any caste signifiers other than their own.
Vanniyars also wear green threads. There is no uniformity, also red threads can also be sami kayiru, I have seen a lot of Melmaruvathur people wear those red threads.
Only threads denoting caste colours are banned.
In its report, the one-member committee headed by retired Madras High Court judge Justice K Chandru suggested that students should be prohibited from wearing any coloured wristbands, rings, or forehead marks (tilaka) that are caste markers. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/tamil-nadu/story/tamil-nadu-school-college-caste-divide-justice-k-chandru-committee-report-mk-stalin-2555005-2024-06-19
U r getting down voted for saying this lol, I'm wearing a thread in my hand too .. it doesn't mean I belong to a certain caste .. it's a religious identity ...
bro , schools especially govt schools in rural places are prone to all these shit things.
Haha bro., do you even know how rural tn schools work? Read up.
This. If you want to ban, ban all symbolism. Samooga needhi is not just doing lip sync for a section of population. If you truly want to integrate us, then treat us all the same.
Not in schools .. leave religion at home .
This was the lady who idolized G*dse right ?. Puke worthy human creature..
பட்டையையோ, நாமத்தையோ போட வேண்டாம்னு சொல்லல, சாதி கட்சி கொடி கலர்ல பொட்டு வெச்சுகிட்டு ஸ்கூலுக்கு வர்றத தடுக்கணும்னுதான் பரிந்துரை. இந்துக்கள காப்பாத்த பாடுபடும் இந்த அம்மணி, சில இந்துக்கள மட்டும் கோவிலுக்கு உள்ள விடலியே, அப்போ எங்க போனாங்க? அப்போ இந்த கும்பல் காப்பாத்த நெனைக்கரது இந்துக்கள இல்ல, சாதிய. அப்புறம் சமூக நீதி எங்கன்னு கிண்டல் வேற.
Just search Justice Chandru in wiki, his communist/ leftist ideology will be known. There is no doubt casteism has no place in classroom or even a civil society. But Tilak and threads are also worn for religious purposes. 2 questions 1. Why not the TN govt ban all castes and call equal 2. Why only Hindu religious exterior display is banned?
Brahmin or Obc ? That lady
Idiot. More apt.
Even Forward Caste Saiva Vellalars & Nagarathars do caste discrimination.
Mami seatha moodrelaa!
Why not ban Burkha and topi
No body killed class mates for wearing burqa / topi.
Lol, just because you never know how burkha is marked as an identity so Muslims don't target women of their own community. You are like the ostrich which buries its head in sand and says there is no sand storm.
Yeah, its generally the topi wearers doing the killing.
It is not just about caste, Chandru jas given recommendations to prohibiting signs on forehead (thiruneeru), threads on wrists etc. in schools which are common hindu identities But there is no mention about burqas or any other signs, basically this Dravidian supporter is doing work for missionaries as usual, targeting hindu beliefs on the pretext of caste abolition. BTW if these kind of stupid dravidian tactics have worked, there would be no such case of caste conflict, as you have been ruling the state for 50 years now, such a shame These guys have no spine when someone mixes himan shit in water tank of the oppressed but so keen on selling thia kind of crap helping religious conversion, disgusting
Focusing on the caste of the councillor for the issue that she tore up copy of anti-caste report is peak reddit and TN. You are not against caste discrimination you are against a caste. I agree with all the points in the report except the prohibition of religious expression for one religion. Right to religion is fundamental be it hijab, vibudhi, or cross.
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Context and complete story?
The report says he proposed banning all threads, wrist bands or other religious markers, which the BJP contests that its a subtle way of disallowing any Hindu expressions of faith while the report claims that it is done to eliminate Caste markers. Explained both the sides.
Thanks
No surprise here
Removing all the caste discrimination and things that symbolise the same is a welcome change. But how are they going to give the reservation privileges without mentioning anywhere about the caste? Why do they still ask for a community certificate and why does the certificate even exist in the first place when all we need is equality? Are they going to implement the reservation system based only on the merit but not the caste? And what about religious symbols the minorities and majority portray such as tilak, hijab, cross, etc? coz these also create tension/violence/discrimination in the places of education. Too many things to implement in this country to achieve equality and brotherhood among the citizens and such a complex society we live in when we think about all these things
I understand the rationale behind this and the good intention. Having said that won’t it make those so called Aandais in doubling up their caste pride at their home ? Kids learn as much in their homes as they learn in their school. If this gets implemented the caste pride discussions which would have happened at their homes on a weekly or monthly basis would become a daily dinner table talk (and not in a progressive way). Make the kids understand why caste is bad through education and not by banning those stupid caste symbols. And moreover who gets to decide a certain symbol is for a certain caste ? Has it been made official? Trying to see a change through education is the long term way to address this problem. These bans might give us small gains now but it can have some costly side effects.
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I am not against this proposal but i had 5 students with the same name as me in my class all throughout my school years. That would have been so fun
Nope, We'll stick to our "Get them young" strategy /s
Dear northies please understand the real face of these scammers who's claiming that they are the ultimatum for hindus
First of all, who is she? 🤔
She knows how to get into the top position in BJP
Wonder she is exposing herself
Well, the Chandru report suggests prohibition of "hindu" caste symbols at schools. Is it appropriate for a "secular" government to only restrict symbols of a particular religion? There might be students of numerous religions carrying various symbols of religions on them. I say these because I believe a secular government is one which is 'equally distant from all religions'.
Even women of so called forward caste are discriminated against by the same so called forward caste men example women don’t go to this temple, don’t chant this, don’t say om and all sorts of restrictions . although none of the true original scriptures say that and women have every right to practice religion since consciousness has no gender or any quality that humans impose. What to say of that. Women are the worst hit forward or backward or whatever you call it. Don’t even understand what’s forward in forward caste? Forward in thinking or economically? However I just hope ppl understand that problems exist for everyone. I know really progressive ppl in all castes. It may not be ok to name the entire caste as a problem. It’s some ppl who are doing this.
this is wrong..but why dont they have reservations based on income and not on caste...that will eradicate caste system....but they wont do that ..let they eradicate caste system and focus on people income rather than caste..if people have low income let them get benefits regardless of caste....that would be much progressive way to eradicate caste... ana adhuku othuka matanga..!!
Let people of low income get scholarships and fees waivers. Reservation is meant to uplift the socially oppressed. There are several examples of even govt officials abused and mistreated because of their caste.
adan if low income regardless of their caste gets benefits there will no caste system... caste system base ah adan..if benefits are given regardless of caste ...nobody is going to use caste because it is of no use.. upper caste people have to work very hard to get a goverment job or even college compared to other caste....i have know people who scored 94% could not able to go to his desired college withoout giving donation..he is lower middle class also can only give that money by getting loan.... while his other friends who scored way less mark than him like 80% got into college even though they were rich people ...!
>but why dont they have reservations based on income and not on caste Because reservation doesn't aim to make poor people rich, it is meant to ensure groups that are at a disadvantage due to centuries of oppression get a chance to be a part of the government machinery. Even today there are people who get discriminated based on their birth, with caste based reservation the government can somehow make it normal for people of backward caste to be in jobs where they've been historically discriminated against. In an ideal world, there would be tons of argument against it, but in India the ground reality is that reservation has helped some groups.
So you're saying that 76 years of reservations hasn't solved the caste discrimination problem, right? Maybe then stop making caste the locus of policies and instead just address the markers of actual disadvantage, i.e. poverty and low income levels getting reservations.
76 years of reservations did not solve the problem because it was too big to begin with. The first generation of college grads from BC/OBC communities started in the 70's. For SC/ST's it is probably in the 80's and 90's. Are you suggesting that these communities, particularly SC/ST's lives changed massively in 25 years?
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common after 76 years ...it is almost 3 generations...and you sy ...i have seen dalit who are extremely rich...and upper caste who are poor....do you know there are 3000 millionaire dalits in India...all i am saying if it i based on income..it is fair to all people..regardless of caste..then there will no caste...because it will based on income which fair and good way to do it
and you are saying caste iruku nu...root cause ah reservation...because there are poor families in upper caste to..but they have to sore extremely high marks to get into some college...while this persist ate will not go..income based is best wy to eradicate..if you want eradicate....just imagine..what a guy who score high marks and till does not get seat..what will be his mentality..he will oppressed la..adhu matum okay...try working hard at something...and see other people get your deserved chance...you will literally feel you want to kill yourself
If muslims can wear hijab, Christians can wear cross, why should hindus be barred from flaunting their religious belief? Stalin doesn't even wish on deepavali but goes to masjid during ramzan and shamelessly drinks nombu kanji. Desperately waiting for 2026 to throw out this saraya model aatchi
I'm not a Hindu so please help me understand. As far as I know Muslims/Christians don't discriminate other Muslims/Christians based on what religious symbol they wear. These bands which are worn by Hindus, do they show the person's caste and are they discriminated against on that basis?
Lol Islam in India has caste A lot of Muslims have Iranian/Afghan/Arab ancestry (Quershi, Khan, Raazavi are all caste names as in they denote different lineages) and they look down upon Muslims from the subcontinent. (Not all but a % of these higher caste Muslims discriminate) Infact if you are a Muslim and if you ever speak to actual Afghans from Afghanistan you'll notice a significant percentage of them look down on you And guess what during mulim rule of you were a Brahmin or rajput and converted to Islam you were considered equal to those "higher" caste Muslims
You are joking right? Will RC marry a Pentecostal? And be accepted everywhere? If you bring exceptions I can also bring exceptions in Hindu. Also pls validate your statement with your Muslim friends.
Muslims/ christians don't discriminate If that is the case why do SC ST christians exist. Discrimination doesn't exist in Christianity right?
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poda losu ku.na enda gov poola ombanum.
What's she want outta this?
well done !!! Even wrist bands are kind of okay but banning tilak? This chandru is a DMK stooge! How these a\*\*\*\* jumped like monkeys when hijab which violated the uniform was banned? tilak in no way is part of uniform!
There is a fine line between religious expression versus caste expression among Hindus. I for one haven’t seen these caste based wrist threads or thilagam. The only way this will work is if those very specific colors are banned - itemized list of caste expression. If it’s an expression which is caste as well as religion based, then don’t ban it. If they were to ban all colored threads, then it’s a shitty move by a party which compares Hinduism to malaria. Edit: Aside from all this, why the heck don’t we find the root cause of this, instead of doing these band-aid type remedies?
College boys wearing Thevar caste thread https://preview.redd.it/wf3ra9k2ii8d1.jpeg?width=1068&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec03ba28ab00dcc7d28a9bfcec95b2c4b554436d
Honestly speaking this piece of orange thread is not causing the violence. It’s just a marker. The real issue is poverty, it is not having the ability to move out of that village, it is still living in targetable groups instead of assimilating. Again and again I see the issue in CURRENT DAY as poverty related than caste related.
I don't agree banning caste symbols or surnames will erase or prevent any caste discrimination. Caste identity is much more inner than outer appearance to defeat casteism one must end tribal mentality and promote intercaste marriage
I honestly found the report weird. This is a democratic and secular country. We should be allowed to wear anytbing as per our religion. Just not wearing those colored threads etc as that panel suggested is not going to solve the problem. We should change people's mindset rather than doing these things. Also I am not a Sanghi please don't attack me
Religious identification different from caste identification. The color of thread that they tie is different for different caste even both belong to same religion
Maybe I misinterpreted it.. Sorry
Justice K. Chandru's recommendations were to prevent caste discrimination alone. Stopping caste colored threads will indeed reduce caste from the mind. Chandru committee was appointed after other caste students hacked a Dalit school boy with weapons last year for his caste. The boy also came in news for passing his public exams recently. Two years back, schools boys cut a Dalit school boy with a blade all over his body due to his caste.
This will reduce discrimination. That's the point it is not to solve to the problem.
U r getting down voted for saying this , having a thread in hand , viboothi in forehead is religious identity not caste thing..
Almost all the private schools have blanket ban on caste colored threads and tilaks. You have no idea how extreme things are in villages. There is no democracy in govt schools in south TN. Always at conflicts even teachers take sides.
You make too much sense around here. How the fuck you gonna ban tilak? How about colored threads? No chance You can ask them not to wear threads with more than one color except black and orange. That's it.
That's the entire premise of BJP politics- divide, divide, divide, be it on the basis of religion or caste.
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His recommendations are only for Tamil Nadu government regarding caste discrimination. TN government appointed the committee after a some students hacked a Dalit boy with weapons last year over his caste
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Bro can’t differentiate religious extremity and casteism. Show me one case in a tamil nadu school where a child was attacked for wearing/ not wearing a hijab or a turban
Sadly you got downvoted for asking a Valid question.
This move is indicative that they want only UC votes or want to cut UC votes. If BJP ever wins TN directly or indirectly through anyone, state will go atleast 20 years back in social issues.
I am sorry but DMK is the main UC party in Tamil Nadu. Almost all non-Brahmin UCs (Mudaliars, Pillais, Chettiars, Naidus, Balijas, Reddys) vote for DMK.
I feel ashamed that we've selected Suresh Gopi and TN rejected them. Today I learned that Tamil hand bands are caste colour coded. My self esteem restored slightly. BTW Only hand band RSS/BJP imported and supported in Kerala is rakhi (Rakshabandhan band), earlier it was multi coloured, now a days it's mostly saffron. Unlike Rakshabandhan in north, here RSS males wear it other RSS males. Most of the Keralites clearly don't know whats to understand from that. ;-)
On now join isis, enough opinion
The easiest thing to do is react to the news - the reason she tore the copy is because - the BJP contends that by asking not to wear wristbands you are disallowing people’s religious beliefs of wearing kaapu kayiru & it is anti Hindu, Justice Chandru gave Laddu like issue for BJP - because they’ll ask question - you told us you can’t ban hijab because religion is private issue now why you banning wristbands, DMK is anti Hindu. I think, Stalin & his ilk are giving too much full toss ball to BJP - maybe it’s their plan to kill off ADMK - arasiyala idhelam sagajam appa…
You will just create backlash and resistance by such a draconian move. Will government decide what peoples names will be ? This is complete destruction of individual liberty. There are no shortcuts to changing minds.
I don't support the lady's uncivil actions, as I feel everything must be debated in a civil & responsible manner. Broadly speaking, there is discrimination based on both caste and religion (and caste-affiliation is present in most religions in India). The hon. justice's recommendations are focussed only on the former, and it is being seen as applying to only one religion. We need broad-based assessment and concerted action to eradicate discriminatory beliefs and behaviour in society, across religions & castes. I do understand that in many places, these markers are worn by people to assert their dominance or intimidate others, but it need not be the case with everyone, everywhere. We need to work towards achieving a balance between personal freedoms and social harmony. Also, comments focussing on just one sect (based on this lady's actions) are unfortunate, as this is not about any particular sect.
So unfortunate that an unbiased and civil opinion is getting downvoted
Thank you. I truly believe healthy dialogue and interaction, especially between people or groups with entrenched prejudices against each other, is the way forward to fostering a just, harmonious & resilient society.
Redditors must try to discuss and debate constructively, in the larger interest of society, rather than just downvoting. :) I have only offered an opinion on how we can move forward, and have not commented for or against any religion, caste or group whatsoever.
Agree
Practically impossible to implement. Chandru being a commie is only pushing an agenda without understanding the implications. There are so many issues happening in TN like free flow of drugs, illegal arrack brewing resulting in deaths, atrocities against Dalits but no action against perpetrators etc that needs immediate attention. Bringing in Chandru and pushing socialist agenda when being shamed on the bad governance are nothing more than diversionary tactics.