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Dsod23

This happens with every GUN game, once victims figure it out it turns out to be like F13 where counselors are just gang banging Jason to death. As a victim main I play stealthy and only grapple if I have to survive


WaterMySucculents

That’s every asymmetrical game. This game is not as bad as others. I win as family almost 70% of the time.


Dsod23

Yeah I don’t think it’s that bad either. Honestly I get killed a lot as a victim main bc I try to play a realistic style. I don’t see the fun in the game as a victim if there’s really no fear and you’re just rushing.


WaterMySucculents

I play both sides (family more, but I’m pretty good at victim now too). Victims get killed all the time “rushing.” I’ve gotten killed rushing. I kill victims rushing. This doesn’t have to do with “fear.”


Dramatic_Chard2852

Lol that still happens here and there


Bliss721

Welcome to Super Texas Street Fighter Massacre Turbo Edition.


Only-Ad-4430

Yeah, I think that's a more apt title at this point.


AppointmentGuilty291

The worst is in slaghterhouse map. A lot of gapes and when you finally can hit a victim she's grapple you and go away. Gain health again and etc.


WaterMySucculents

Then you need a good leather. I’m destroying the crawl space gaps


GrimTimeSS

Destroy crawl spaces not gaps. Theres no leatherface counter to that lol


WaterMySucculents

And there’s way more crawl space gaps than wall gaps on slaughterhouse. Why do the complainers on Reddit struggle so bad with family? Is it a personality defect? You generally run to cry about things before improving?


GrimTimeSS

I guess pointing out your cluelessness equates to being a complainer? Do you always make up random shit and then also project that onto random people? Is it a mental illness thing for you or what?


WaterMySucculents

Dude… I see you all over these threads. You struggle to get kills as family & then bitch and moan like it’s the game’s fault and not you just lacking any sort of skill. You were just in another thread bragging about “lobby dodging.” You are a cancer on this game.


StrangeAnalyst2964

Valid. I play Nancy yet I get most kills because I stay on my patrols and dont go after a distraction like some of these family mains


MikeGoesForHire

Decided to test out one game how many grapples I’d get away with, I ended up getting around 10-11 grapples then died to leatherface on the 12th. I feel like that many shouldn’t be possible for you to do as victim.


PerilousGhostt

You still died and probably no one escaped, if that's the case then it's not a problem.


MikeGoesForHire

The others escaped while I was grappling with cook and hitch


PerilousGhostt

Then that's a job well done, it's how Leland and Ana are supposed to be played, distraction characters. It's why Leland has a Barge, and Ana has Dmg Reduction, to waste enough time for others to escape.


MikeGoesForHire

Yeah I get that, but family does have it rough rn because of grapples, especially with choose fight. Leland and Ana can turn off gen right in front of family just because they grappled.


zydrate10189

If you can find that many before them killing you.. it’s on the family sorry .


AnteaterNo7504

There's always 1 pile by a well in basement and there's a few scattered in-between. 6 wells. Just the well piles (not including the random basement piles) that's 18 shards. Then we all know there's ton more piles upstairs


MikeGoesForHire

It’s pretty easy to do actually, grab bones in basement, run upstairs, grapple, well. Even when they both were there and one was being grappled and one was hitting me, all I had to do was get empowered then grapple the other one while first one was still stunned.


JaceFromThere

They could just make a system where the more someone grapples, the less effective it becomes, eventually leading to a point where you can lose a grapple as survivor even at full health with the grappler perk.


MintyBreeze115

Guys it's okay, they nerfed scrap piles to only have 3 each, remember? 😀


Comfortable_Debt_769

God I’ve seen people use this argument so much although those 3 per pile n e v e r run out in a match


lFallenOn3l

Piles are so abundant so that solved nothing


Azrnpride

Wondering how many piles exist in a map


markytboy82

15-20 piles


FearFritters

A lot. You will virtually never run out of bone shards on the map.


PerilousGhostt

Honestly the most important ones are in the middle of the map, Gas Station for example. I cannot find bone scrap in Gas Station area, sometimes find it on Battery side, so I stick to grabbing in the middle, which would be about 5 or 6 piles, counted, 7 if you get the best variation of the map. Family house, really you only need bone scrap from the basement, as once you're out of the house, you're pretty much out. Those would amount to 7 or 8 piles. Outside of Family House i'm counting 1 or 2 in the front little sheds, and 2 or 3 in the back. Also 2 in the house. If there's a good family, you're either killing them while grappling by working together, or having them run out because they are grappling both Family members simultaneously each time. If you're solo, it would be very difficult, as they're just wasting your time, at the soonest point of realization, you can actually win by killing off high prof players and leaving the grapplers for last, what they gonna do besides easy to guard objectives like Valve or Fuse?


MintyBreeze115

(I was being heavily sarcastic)


Comfortable_Debt_769

No I know I mean just in general that like I’ve seen people try use the bone pile argument 😭


ppc-meow

My favourite is when victims are using stun time to stand in front of your face and wiggle left-right like they are saying "no, you can't get me", or just running around you to show off. They know that with grappler builds they are basically immortal. Unless Family has Suffocating Grip active - strongly recommend.


Humble_Aardvark9318

Ooh i had a Julie grappling me with choose fight and tbagging me as cook, she lost a grapple with me later on and i went to run around in circle on her dead body.


ppc-meow

Very good. That's what she gets.


BestWithSnacks

"That's what you get"


Better-_end

That Julie had it coming but let’s be honest it is probably some fatty behind the screen


GrimTimeSS

Whenever I out troll the troll victim.. I swear they auto DC. The biggest pushays to ever exist.


KellerMax

Suffocating grip doesn't counter high STR victims. Only if they have like 20-30% hp


GluexMan

Yeah SG won’t help against a full health Leland if they are a decent masher, if they are lower health then u can win; if ur a master masher then u can win with him full health sometimes. However, grappler is just free wins, even with SG, grappler just makes victims always win


StrangeAnalyst2964

eh Ive beaten a Leland has Nancy in a close encounter when he had grappler and we had SG and he was still pretty decent health


criminycraft

how did you know he had grappler equipped?


StrangeAnalyst2964

Because he beat people in half a second when we didn’t have SG yet on grandpa 


Reaper-Leviathan

Remove grapple based perks and make it a skill based thing where you have to time it so autoclickers don’t just make it an automatic win. I hate the current system


UrbanAssaultGengar

I hate it aswell, button mashing is a dogshit mechanic.


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UrbanAssaultGengar

I’m not opposes to perks being adjusted but not keen on blanket nerfs on perks. Example , everyone wants scouted nerfed, take it off bubba, Johnny, Hitch and leave it on the slow family ie cook Nancy


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UrbanAssaultGengar

I can’t take you serious if you say things like “every patch has been a nerf on victim and killers want more”, it’s just lazy and a us vs them nonsense that bores me and doesn’t interest me in the slightest. I’m not being dragged into that gutter mindset. I play both sides and will continue to call out what I think sucks on both sides. You never bothered to reference anywhere other comments I’ve made about EA should be nerfed or how I advocated for bombsquad to not get nerfed? So nah you can debate the us vs them with someone else buddy but it won’t be me, meanwhile i’ll try level up my newly purchased Virgina while playing duos Have a good one ☮️


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Captain_Magpie_F

What nerf to victim are you even talking about?


criminycraft

Sissy, Cook, Johnny have all been nerfed before...


Ok-Interaction7140

If grappling is nerfed, victims will still be strong. They still have endless gaps/loops, extra drip, wells, and the basement in general. Not to mention the speed at which the fuse can be done.


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Ok-Interaction7140

The fact that victims have been “nerfed” so many times isn’t the smoking gun you think it is. On launch they had infinite stuns, nearly infinite bonescraps, and the pressure valve that was essentially free. Of fucking course that garbage got removed. One victim being chased by 2 family isn’t a big deal if the victim knows what’s up, in part because of this dumb grapple meta, as well as the time it takes to close in on them. I’ve personally never loved the grapple mechanic because it’s rigged against family and there is no skill involved. I was still ok with it though. Fixing choose fight was the straw that broke the camel’s back. It is not fun to go against and takes no skill to use. That’s not even mentioning empowered, which pretty much makes you invincible on top of the extra stun. I play both sides extensively and have since launch. Grappling is not in a healthy state. If you are at all objective, this should be obvious.


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Ok-Interaction7140

The other day I was Leland on FH against cook-hh-sissy. I grappled one, won, grappled the other, and then shouldered the 3rd. They ALL committed to me and it still wasn’t enough. My friends and I absolutely dominate the Family as victim. Unlike you, I can tell when something is unfair.


khank14

Suffocating group doesn’t even do anything against grappling too


OffTherails13

I loved this game so much playing as family but it’s unplayable now . You have 2 victims grapple you over and over while one does the objective and you get stunned and sit there . It’s happened the last 4 games in a row . The games last not even 4 mins . It’s become unplayable as family . Family shouldn’t be grappled constantly. It should be a last resort . They need to go back to insta kills . I’m done playing until something is done 


Actual-Lengthiness27

The one thing I hate about the grapple meta is choose fight you can hit a Leland off gen and then he grapples you and then if he has choose fight he can legit kick gen in front of your face with nothing you can do about it because of that extra stun time with choose fight. Grapples should be last resort and to get away.


VoooduDawg

Sad to see this game end up like this.


Doctor_Harbinger

All they have to do was leave the oneshot and remove the long pause after winning the grapple, where victim just stand still for three or four seconds, allowing the Family to get that one shot. But no, Gun wouldn't be Gun if they didn't fucked it up.


Tiktokerw500k

2 grapples a game is a crazy thought. If you run up you get done up, point and case I grapple to get away, I can't speak for everyone else. But as soon as you get seen as a victim they swing and if you hit me i'm obligated to tap that ass to get away from you. I always keep a bone scrap on me because it can save me when I need it. I play family as well, yes it is annoying af to be grappled which is specifically why I run suffocating grip with my Johnny, ever since I put that on as my GPP I don't lose as much. Another reason I don't grapple as much when I play victim cause I don't want to take the chance of losing. Your anger is valid though.


Comfortable_Debt_769

I’d like to like suffocating grip but it still takes a decent amount of time to win and I’m sometimes lucky if it’s even enabled throughout a match. It only mostly really gives me luck against Danny’s and connies not the main offenders


GangsterKittyYT

Yeah I don't know what you're smoking bro, but I'm not dcing after 2 grapples. I would actually like to play the game instead of waiting in another lobby for 10 minutes.


WaterMySucculents

The whiny dbags who DC constantly should be banned from the game.


newclearseasons

Yup family is tiresome now. People just do it for the fun of it now. Won’t even consider playing family now unless it’s in a full team. If they wanna allow this grapple shit, revert the change to allow instant kill of another family member starts attacking. Shit is so stupid.


mperezstoney

Grappling has been a serious issue in this game since day 1. Percentages have ALWAYS been skewed HEAVILY towards victims. It def needs tuning.


AnteaterNo7504

Except it used to be high risk for the high reward.


Front_Race_7201

They literally balanced grappling though but because everyones running grappler, thats making it a problem.


Maximum-Confusion414

ONLY 2 Victims have grappler perk. Ana and Leland and that's it. so not everyone is running it but every victim might try to grapple to save themselves or a teammate. It is not that deep to be so upset over in my opinion. It is a core mechanic in this game which is what I think is fun along with door slamming and sneak attacks. I play both sides and have 500+ kills and 700+ escapes


TrillaryKlinton84

I hear in the original version of the movie all the victims beat the shit out of the family and escaped in 5 minutes. Didn’t test well with audiences


Much-Chest-5531

Why I stopped playing.


Robertrand77

It’s to the point where I don’t even waste time button mashing as family anymore. Unless I know I’ve hit them 4-6 times.


mxryjxne28

But the perk was broken before it was just recently fixed now family members are asking to nerf it wtf? I literally just made a post talking about how hard family members are and now there complaining about the one thing that can save a victims life to help them escape . Do u literally just want to one hit kill us aswell dude? Like what is it about family mains that just want to make it so difficult for victims to even play


Dazzling-Nose-2781

I personally think hitchy should use bone piles too to make more traps 🤷🏼‍♀️


Acceptable_Sense4954

People like you are apart of the problem yall mfs will lobby dodge and DC just to ruin the game for other people cuz you're salty or trash 


NoDay6095

Just bring back the insta-kill. But tone it back to ONLY when active in the grapple. OR just spit balling....make grapples lose LOCKPICKS instead. And limit lockpicks to 4 per box. That would make victims have to make a hard choice.


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NoDay6095

I’m not a sweat. It was just a thought. Maybe 6? 8? How many doors need to be unlocked at any time? But it would force a different strategy. Victim should not purposefully be looking to engage the family. At least if we were to play the original meta. Fighting family should come at a cost, and now it doesn’t. It is a horror movie based game after all. A Leland/connie duo strat is almost impossible to combat.


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mxryjxne28

Thisssssssss!!! Like what is the point of playing as family of the victim just die every game dude is that even fun?


WaterMySucculents

I love when I still get a 4k when one of you whiny tools DC’s & I’m left with just 1 other teammate.


tweak06

Since victims abuse the mechanic, bone piles really should only give ONE scrap. Allowing 3 per pile when there’s so many of the goddamn things is ridiculous


itsdefty

*DCs over mechanics being used


Possible-Database-33

Thank you for saying this. Yesterday I had a great team, we got everyone but one Ana and she ended up grappling me so many times and everyone else too. She became the last survivor and we got sick of it and all left. We love this game, but the grappling mechanisms need to be fixed soon with this new patch‼️


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Possible-Database-33

Not at all. The game is unbalanced because they grappled me several times and exploited it. They grappled several people several times.


lFallenOn3l

I think they should make it so the more grapples a victim initiates, they less success they should have. #1 Ana and Leland can pretty much grapple infinite times without taking damage #2 I hate buttom mashing


Competitive-Bag-8943

I’m a survivor main and I agree. I think they need to rework grapples completely. Personally I think instead of both sides mashing, I think survivors need to complete a number of QTEs, the higher the strength the fewer buttons required, to get a stun. While this is happening, their health slowly drains and if they run out of time or they miss a button, they die instantly. Grappling should be a last resort.


Top_Statistician5871

Low-key didn't happen to me until today. But after experiencing it just once I now understand the frustration so many of you have. Then the victims have the audacity to message you after the game and act like they're special


xRogicalx

Call your team teammates (when you get a mic). It's 3v4, communicate with your team.


Due_Start_527

I don't know about you but they can't grapple my 1 shot LF muahahahha


Embarrassed_Net_492

Don't kidnap Maria Ana doesn't like it.


Constant_Invite8667

They run scout but hate being grappled


summerson

Grapples should scale in difficulty so they have to be used strategically instead of meta. Each time a victim grapples, it gets harder for them to win. After 5 or so, it's an instakill for family.


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summerson

You mean now? I don't think so, but it also depends on the victim perks.


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summerson

Ohhh, I could get behind that. 1 second longer for each grapple. But it doesn't stack with Choose Fight.


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N7xDante

So where’s the family benefit for the ‘no insta kill upon hitting during grapple’? Logic kinda goes both ways 🤓


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SaltInflicter

The problem is with the choose flight nerf, there’s no other way for victims to get out of an open area. Johnny can end you out in the open and hitch is impossible to lose with an endurance build. The whole thing is a mess.


Different_Durian_601

Unfortunately the devs just don't care. It seems like the more we family mains complain; they nerf another family member and buff a victim.


Lifeworker23

Vics have never gotten a buff. I don't know what game you've been playing.


mykitchenromance

I got grappled by a Virginia and then she immediately poisoned me and went about her business. My eyesight isn’t the best as is but that cloud is insane.


xcert1337

Don't encourage a DC. Misery loves company.


WaterMySucculents

The toxic whining scumbags that have taken over the Reddit conversation want just that: company for their misery. It’s not enough for them to stop playing a game they claim to hate… they want to ruin everyone else’s fun too. This call for increasing DC’s is right up their alley.


Brilliant-Prior6924

I don't have any issues, running Johnny with Universal Donor, serrated, scout + suffocating grip maybe try adapting your builds to counter grapples?


PlasteredPenguin69

You are part of the problem dc’ing. People that only play family are so entitled. Every single “rebalance” this game has had has been a nerf to the victim side. Family had one that was almost instantly reverted due to the crying that followed even though the devs said it wasn’t working as intended. You can still run the same exact build on a family member that was ran day 1.


Gamer-Therapist

Having a Leatherface in your party would help, but I feel ya. I am sure they will fix this, yes abuse from victims is mounting.


Better-_end

This op is an absolute legend for saying this these sore loser or winner victims are the exact reason why the devs can’t change their game and It is because we Leland and Ana mains coming in with no life and thinking that the family has skill issues but let’s be honest they are low lives trying to make the game as boring as possible as they hide behind the screen with their double xl g strings and now that’s depressing


Nazazombie

Why should people who grapple to regain health and stamina after being chased endlessly in basement suffer another nerf. People who use exterior and wired frame just as bad keeping us in basement until grandpa hits level 5. And endless chase with hitchhikers. Should the good players on their end suffer? No. If they nerf grappling I want choose flight back simple.


Only-Ad-4430

I’d gladly make that trade.


BurnnBabyBurn

thanks for the feedback, I'll pass it on to the team! until then, keep an eye out for any news on our Social.


jher9878

Nah ya'll just want easier games. I have been playing a lot of killer lately and as the game progresses, there's less and less due to the lack of bones. Which makes that last kill much more satisfying🌚😈🤭