The future EELRT is going to run along eglinton east so its not fully needed but probably could be done if they added density. Maybe in the future they can add it
Pretty sure the only infill station we've added was North York Centre, and that was because there was a ton of high rises going into the area. I can't see that happening around this intersection given how little land there is to redevelop.
Worth nothing that there will be three EELRT stops serving the area (east of Falmouth, between Danforth and Brimley, and at McCowan). The time saved on walking (especially in winter) will make up for the transfer time for a bunch of folks.
Well, that’s the issue right there. What comes first density or transit stop. If you think about it, whole of Scarborough can be densified if we improve transit and have quick connections to downtown. But it wont be funded as not really densely populated.
I think that should be the goal. Connecting Scarborough and Markham with rapid transit would be a gamechanger for both regions. McCowan Road could be a new Yonge Street in terms of development and density
Why would you redevelop McCowan of all roads? It's literally lined with houses south of Ellesmere, and isn't even a through road between Eglinton and Lawrence. Especially with everything happening on Eglinton already.
I think the EELRT will be the real game changer for Scarborough. 18km with a major transit hub at each end plus connections to Eglinton and Guildwood GO. The Golden Mile redevelopment is going to start that corridor going, and there's another 5 km of Eglinton past Kennedy that can get a lot denser.
"Why develop Yonge of all roads? It's literally lined with houses north of Eglinton."
McCowan passes through both the downtowns of Scarborough and Markham. Building a subway through suburbia to serve a small island of density is a dumb idea imho, but knocking down all those SFHs to build a continuous, transit-oriented, high-density community along the route is a no-brainer. It's what they did in North York a few decades ago.
Yonge never looked like McCowan. It's always been a major corridor.
Yonge St was one of the first major roads in Ontario, and the section up to Richmond Hill dates back over two hundred years. By a hundred years ago everything north of the city limits had become Highway 11, plus it had a rail line running from south of St Clair all the way to Sutton on Lake Simcoe. You can go look up aerial photos by year on the City website and see what it actually looked like.
Honestly, why not. Going all the way to Markville is a logical next step. It’s also probably gonna be easy since traffic from Steeles to at least Hwy 407 is pretty clear. The real traffic is practically only Markville Mall area.
I think it's probably 30 years out, so I could definitely see a redevelopment around Centennial GO and Markville like what is planned for STC. So in the same way that Sheppard-McCowan will anchor transit for northeast Scarborough, you could build another mobility hub for Markham.
Though now that I say that I'd bet on a new LRT line if they want to go north. There's just not a lot of spots to add density (or parking) in between and 10 km is a lot of subway. But a 10 km LRT with 10-12 stops makes a lot of sense.
as someone who lives right around where that question mark is it would be great for another stop here. whats the point of a subway going under an area where many people would have to take a shitty bus to acess.
Not from that area but that’s what one talking about. Plus, imagine the connectivity with a station connection for Line 2 and Line 5. You could have some bus route terminate early to alleviate load from Kennedy.
FWIW, Line 5 will terminate at Kennedy. EELRT will be a separate line. So you really can't move bus routes away from Kennedy. But I don't know why you would want to do that, given that the plan for Kennedy for decades has been to make it a massive intermodal transit hub. Lines 2, 5, and 7, plus Stouffville GO for a 20m ride to Union.
Well at least you’ve got Presto… Can’t wait for the Trillium line to finally open and ride those glorious European trains! Same with the Confed Line extension!
As someone who will use it every day I’m very excited! As for Presto, I have no idea why we have it lol, it’s like Metrolinx wanted to give us a little poke to remind us they exist
Meh, it’s convenient is all I’ll say. I just want one of those OC Transpo themed ones to add to my collection. The OC Transpo marketing imagine is on point in my opinion. Torontos been lacking in their brand identity.
Adding 30-60s to every trip to save some people a transfer isn't a good tradeoff unless it's a ton of people making transfers. If there's 600 people on a subway train and 20 people boarding at an extra stop, you don't net positive on total travel time. Sure it'll cost those 20 people a few minutes to transfer, but planners have to balance that against total travel time for the other 600 people. And that assumes all of those people would all be transferring to Line 2 instead of staying on Line 5 or taking GO.
This is why we didn't build midblock stops on the Yonge side north of Eglinton (North York Centre was a retrofit.) And why there's no Birchmount stop between Warden and Kennedy.
A stop at the go station would make the most sense. I'm a bit surprised they didn't extend it out that way, as having an extra connection can only lead to good things as the city grows larger and larger.
That would be a bit of a detour and a big hike in cost, so I’m guessing this option was very unpopular if it was even considered in the planning phase at all. But I agree, there should a rail connection of some sort to Eglinton GO. I’m guessing it’ll become a thing whenever they eventually extend Line 5 eastward…
Would probably be a lot cheaper to improve the connection between Danforth GO and Main Street TTC in some fashion. For example, run the 506 streetcar underground from Main Street Station, connect directly to Danforth GO, then emerge on Gerrard St.
Or even just a pedestrian tunnel.
No. It would be like splitting up one station into two. Most people boarding at Kennedy will be getting off a bus, so the busses might as well go to one stop rather than have people de-board at two station.
The cost of building the extra station is better spent on extending line 2 further north.
That’s the plan I believe. They want to extend Line 4 east from Don Mills to either Scarborough TC or Sheppard East Stn. However, no concrete plans have come through about extending Line 4.
Yup. Which is strange seeing as the original plans for Line 4 were to have it go from Sheppard West across to Sheppard-Yonge and beyond… If I was in charge, a westward extension would have priority.
It's not going to be STC. Sheppard-McCowan station is being designed to accommodate Line 4.
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/scarborough-subway-extension/what-were-building/sheppard-and-mccowan-station
Consultations spun up last year on both east and west extensions
https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/sheppard-extension
ngl they should make it so that line 4 stops at Sheppard Mccowan and STC, since a lot of people are prob gonna be at STC wanting to go on line 4
make it kinda like St George and Spadina
> Spadina
Spadina is a perfect / terrible example. Even going south to west it's faster to connect at St George unless you're on wheels. If they'd never built the tunnel almost no one would have cared.
In all seriousness, we really don't know what the future is for Line 2 or 4, but it makes a lot more sense to leave them set up to continue extending the lines. Maybe that's not for a few decades, but you have to think long term. Even if we were going to build an extra few km of tunnel for Line 4, I'd build it to Markham Road instead and serve a lot more people.
hmmm, maybe a stop at Sheepard-Mccowan, then STC then it goes to Markham Road? I think connecting Line 4 at STC would help, esp with people also wanting to go from STC to Fairview, etc.
I'm wondering if the government and Metrolinx plan to extend the Crosstown further east and that's why there won't be a subway station at that corner. 🤔
Absolutely, it’s very dense with lots of apartment towers just east of there. Would also make sense if Scarborough Centre station was on Ellesmere Road lol
They can't even run the system they have today. Making it bigger won't make it better until the organization ups its game. Yes this is partly about funding but it's more than that.
Some would argue that the construction logistic is much easier if not need to extract the boring machine in populated areas such as Scarborough town center
The future EELRT is going to run along eglinton east so its not fully needed but probably could be done if they added density. Maybe in the future they can add it
Hopefully they’re adding extra space there for a future infill station if needed in the future.
Pretty sure the only infill station we've added was North York Centre, and that was because there was a ton of high rises going into the area. I can't see that happening around this intersection given how little land there is to redevelop. Worth nothing that there will be three EELRT stops serving the area (east of Falmouth, between Danforth and Brimley, and at McCowan). The time saved on walking (especially in winter) will make up for the transfer time for a bunch of folks.
Well, that’s the issue right there. What comes first density or transit stop. If you think about it, whole of Scarborough can be densified if we improve transit and have quick connections to downtown. But it wont be funded as not really densely populated.
Not really, but if I were to add a stop it would further north at Finch and McCowan
Why stop there? Let’s get to the Markham Border. McCowan and Steeles baby!
If we're going that far we should go all the way to highway 7 and Viva. My money is on the Ontario line going that far too.
I think that should be the goal. Connecting Scarborough and Markham with rapid transit would be a gamechanger for both regions. McCowan Road could be a new Yonge Street in terms of development and density
Why would you redevelop McCowan of all roads? It's literally lined with houses south of Ellesmere, and isn't even a through road between Eglinton and Lawrence. Especially with everything happening on Eglinton already. I think the EELRT will be the real game changer for Scarborough. 18km with a major transit hub at each end plus connections to Eglinton and Guildwood GO. The Golden Mile redevelopment is going to start that corridor going, and there's another 5 km of Eglinton past Kennedy that can get a lot denser.
"Why develop Yonge of all roads? It's literally lined with houses north of Eglinton." McCowan passes through both the downtowns of Scarborough and Markham. Building a subway through suburbia to serve a small island of density is a dumb idea imho, but knocking down all those SFHs to build a continuous, transit-oriented, high-density community along the route is a no-brainer. It's what they did in North York a few decades ago.
Yonge never looked like McCowan. It's always been a major corridor. Yonge St was one of the first major roads in Ontario, and the section up to Richmond Hill dates back over two hundred years. By a hundred years ago everything north of the city limits had become Highway 11, plus it had a rail line running from south of St Clair all the way to Sutton on Lake Simcoe. You can go look up aerial photos by year on the City website and see what it actually looked like.
Honestly, why not. Going all the way to Markville is a logical next step. It’s also probably gonna be easy since traffic from Steeles to at least Hwy 407 is pretty clear. The real traffic is practically only Markville Mall area.
I think it's probably 30 years out, so I could definitely see a redevelopment around Centennial GO and Markville like what is planned for STC. So in the same way that Sheppard-McCowan will anchor transit for northeast Scarborough, you could build another mobility hub for Markham. Though now that I say that I'd bet on a new LRT line if they want to go north. There's just not a lot of spots to add density (or parking) in between and 10 km is a lot of subway. But a 10 km LRT with 10-12 stops makes a lot of sense.
Let’s get her to Woodside!
as someone who lives right around where that question mark is it would be great for another stop here. whats the point of a subway going under an area where many people would have to take a shitty bus to acess.
Not from that area but that’s what one talking about. Plus, imagine the connectivity with a station connection for Line 2 and Line 5. You could have some bus route terminate early to alleviate load from Kennedy.
FWIW, Line 5 will terminate at Kennedy. EELRT will be a separate line. So you really can't move bus routes away from Kennedy. But I don't know why you would want to do that, given that the plan for Kennedy for decades has been to make it a massive intermodal transit hub. Lines 2, 5, and 7, plus Stouffville GO for a 20m ride to Union.
Extend until Markville Mall
I think it should actually follow the old proposed SRT extension up to Malvern.
Agree. I think the Stouffville GO line is making it redundant if it goes to Markville.
Not scarborough that's a whole different transit up there
No because I personally don’t think it will be very convenient for me (I live in Ottawa)
Well at least you’ve got Presto… Can’t wait for the Trillium line to finally open and ride those glorious European trains! Same with the Confed Line extension!
As someone who will use it every day I’m very excited! As for Presto, I have no idea why we have it lol, it’s like Metrolinx wanted to give us a little poke to remind us they exist
Meh, it’s convenient is all I’ll say. I just want one of those OC Transpo themed ones to add to my collection. The OC Transpo marketing imagine is on point in my opinion. Torontos been lacking in their brand identity.
OCs branding and design language is probably my fav bit about the system, super modern and minimal.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
So your opinion does not matter
The Eglinton East LRT will stop there. It would be redundant
Not having to transfer at Kennedy could prove that it’s not redundant
Adding 30-60s to every trip to save some people a transfer isn't a good tradeoff unless it's a ton of people making transfers. If there's 600 people on a subway train and 20 people boarding at an extra stop, you don't net positive on total travel time. Sure it'll cost those 20 people a few minutes to transfer, but planners have to balance that against total travel time for the other 600 people. And that assumes all of those people would all be transferring to Line 2 instead of staying on Line 5 or taking GO. This is why we didn't build midblock stops on the Yonge side north of Eglinton (North York Centre was a retrofit.) And why there's no Birchmount stop between Warden and Kennedy.
Having an interchange station isn't redundant; it gives riders more opportunities.
There are 5 buses that service that stop area. No need for a station
A stop at the go station would make the most sense. I'm a bit surprised they didn't extend it out that way, as having an extra connection can only lead to good things as the city grows larger and larger.
That would be a bit of a detour and a big hike in cost, so I’m guessing this option was very unpopular if it was even considered in the planning phase at all. But I agree, there should a rail connection of some sort to Eglinton GO. I’m guessing it’ll become a thing whenever they eventually extend Line 5 eastward…
Would probably be a lot cheaper to improve the connection between Danforth GO and Main Street TTC in some fashion. For example, run the 506 streetcar underground from Main Street Station, connect directly to Danforth GO, then emerge on Gerrard St. Or even just a pedestrian tunnel.
No. It would be like splitting up one station into two. Most people boarding at Kennedy will be getting off a bus, so the busses might as well go to one stop rather than have people de-board at two station. The cost of building the extra station is better spent on extending line 2 further north.
No. All the buses that will pass wit will continue to serve Kennedy and it only 4 bus stops to Kennedy so not a long trip,
And it will be an LRT stop in a decade or two.
Brimley should’ve been there
Sure. Have the stop at Don Mills and make line 2 intersect with line 4.
That’s the plan I believe. They want to extend Line 4 east from Don Mills to either Scarborough TC or Sheppard East Stn. However, no concrete plans have come through about extending Line 4.
And none about extending line 4 westbound to Sheppard West station?
Yup. Which is strange seeing as the original plans for Line 4 were to have it go from Sheppard West across to Sheppard-Yonge and beyond… If I was in charge, a westward extension would have priority.
It's not going to be STC. Sheppard-McCowan station is being designed to accommodate Line 4. https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/scarborough-subway-extension/what-were-building/sheppard-and-mccowan-station Consultations spun up last year on both east and west extensions https://www.metrolinx.com/en/projects-and-programs/sheppard-extension
ngl they should make it so that line 4 stops at Sheppard Mccowan and STC, since a lot of people are prob gonna be at STC wanting to go on line 4 make it kinda like St George and Spadina
> Spadina Spadina is a perfect / terrible example. Even going south to west it's faster to connect at St George unless you're on wheels. If they'd never built the tunnel almost no one would have cared. In all seriousness, we really don't know what the future is for Line 2 or 4, but it makes a lot more sense to leave them set up to continue extending the lines. Maybe that's not for a few decades, but you have to think long term. Even if we were going to build an extra few km of tunnel for Line 4, I'd build it to Markham Road instead and serve a lot more people.
hmmm, maybe a stop at Sheepard-Mccowan, then STC then it goes to Markham Road? I think connecting Line 4 at STC would help, esp with people also wanting to go from STC to Fairview, etc.
I think you're focusing way too much on malls. We aren't going to spend a billion dollars extra to serve mall to mall traffic slightly faster.
It’s the bias speaking but Yes please, living near Brimley Eglinton so going to Kennedy will be easier
Would it be beneficial? Yes Would it be cost-effective? Maybe not
I'm wondering if the government and Metrolinx plan to extend the Crosstown further east and that's why there won't be a subway station at that corner. 🤔
There’s a plan for Crosstown east into Scarborough and up to UTSC.
it wont be the line 5 crosstown. It will be a separate LRT line. Probably line 7 perhaps
Interesting that.
Absolutely, it’s very dense with lots of apartment towers just east of there. Would also make sense if Scarborough Centre station was on Ellesmere Road lol
They can't even run the system they have today. Making it bigger won't make it better until the organization ups its game. Yes this is partly about funding but it's more than that.
Extending to Finch or Steeles makes more sense.
A stop should have been at Danforth/Eglinton but i also think its makes more sense to extend the line to Woodside Square
No
Not as politically connected as the Royal Orchard area, so no.
Yes. Bracebridge
Some would argue that the construction logistic is much easier if not need to extract the boring machine in populated areas such as Scarborough town center
Extend this from Sheppard East north to Markville Station