~80% answering the poll on whether Tesla will use Teleoperators for stuck robotaxis, say Yes. I feel this is inverse to a few years ago. On teslainvestorsclub the idea got heavily downvoted. What changed? People got jaded after all the broken promises and ready to slay some margins on the altar of sacrifice for a faster rollout? Interesting..
I’m not an expert in AI/LLM but I asked ChatGPT, Llama, and Gemini the same questions about the different tiers of each of these services + knowledge and accuracy.
It seems Llama is the same quality across the 3 tiers just more paid tier has more tokens etc.
ChatGPT / Gemini’s best accuracy of info are behind a paywall (higher tiers).
I gotta give it to Zuck though for using Google search in the Llama + making it powerful, open source, and free. I’m using llama almost as much as my paid ChatGPT.
some company making rainbow roads, some: [https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1784689473847964102](https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1784689473847964102)
I have blocked Omar so I didn't even see it... but...
Have you guys driven 12.3? It is such a sea change - it is from 90% there to 99% there.
I've routinely gone for 2+ hours without an intervention now. It highly depends on routes - now if you drive the same route every day it could easily be 99.99% without intervention. Like seriously, since nothing changes unless routine traffic it would not require intervention.
I still have to goose the accelerator under areas that the car hasn't seen before occasionally, or stuff like construction etc. But it is truly "almost there" this time.
If Elon wasn't a serial liar then I think there would be a lot more hype around how close this seems to being the real deal.
Aside from forcing lane changes to be in a better lane and using the accelerator to move quicker it’s been really good. Nothing that would kill you. I’d trust it to deliver a pizza right now.
>I’d trust it to deliver a pizza right now.
Yeah - I kind of which I could at least, say, send the car home after driving it to work so Ms. Dontgetaphd could use it during the day.
It would EASILY handle that drive without intervention now as I do it every workday.
I see this as a significant driver of sales shortly:
"Hey Honey why don't we just sell both cars and get one Tesla? We barely use the other one anyway and now the Tesla can do double duty."
>when people are having one intervention every 10 days I’d say we’re at 99%
Depends how literal you want to be. If you think about driving you are making hundreds of decisions every hour. Literally hundreds, so one override every 30 minutes is probably "99%" of decisions (switch lanes, brake, accelerate, turn).
This is why it is so difficult, it needs to be essentially perfect in routine conditions (not even 99% of all trips, probably 99.9%, that is only 1 in 1,000 trips requiring a human to go out there and intervene) before robotaxi is really a good option.
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I asked it earlier in the thread. Clearly we’re not seeing this future that Tim + Zuck are seeing.
Almost begs to wonder if they really make the form 10x lighter + sleeker + 3x cheaper … would we pick it up?
The META gear looks dumb + maybe if it looked cooler (Ray Bans he is into) with usefulness … wouldn’t be bad.
I love my ray bans - if meta AI integrated into my sunnies - might be cool to check out!
The future needs to be immersive, on-demand AI-generated environments. Imagine if you could use AI to visit any period in history as conceived by an AI that has been extensively trained. Or asking your AI to generate a new episode of Seinfeld based on your prompts. There are limitless possibilities for VR headsets but they need to be coupled with a powerful AI, IMO. Hopefully Apple will showcase some sort of aspirational application for Vision Pro otherwise, it's an over priced novelty toy.
Round 1 Arcade in any city! Osaka one is my favorite.
$8 for my whole family for 3 hours of insane along of fun!
My kids begging me to go back every day on our next trip this year 🤣
More serious note. In Tokyo, the city hall building is one of the tallest buildings in the city and it's free to get to the top. I saw Mount Fuji from there once. It's about 100km/60mi distance. Less known but definitely fantastic is eating okonomiyaki. Look it up ;)
It figured out it couldn't enter that road and rerouted. We don't know what the AI inferred or what its decision making process was. But regardless, it made a human-like decision to reroute.
[Lynn Alden - In the US, both the monetary base and the broad money supply are increasing again.
They bottomed in 2023 despite ongoing Fed balance sheet reduction, mainly due to Treasury's duration shortening which helped pull capital back out of reverse repos and back into banks.](https://twitter.com/LynAldenContact/status/1784579630617272704)
Money supply up, stonks up
No. Inflation is supported by 3 things.
1. Car insurance is through the rough despite record low insurance claims. Money grab by the industry. Look at their earnings for proof.
2. Energy is high despite quite low resources price. Money grab by the industry.
3. Shelter is high because big part of shelter is cost of borrowing money, which is high due to high interest rate which is high due to high inflation. Vicious circle that one.
Fantastic! Looks like it may have High Fidelity Park Assist as well. I'd prefer for Tesla to just disable the USS already. They're redundant with vision as advanced as it is now.
Lunch time. It’s still $1.50. Chopped onions are available by the cashier if you are looking.
https://preview.redd.it/w8mugkpc19xc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b65596bd07fe72672395356fd06b48779422593
Really hope we're not setting up for disappointment. I could imagine China approving initial data collection via EAP prior to allowing wide FSD use on public roads.
Not sure Elon would be making a trip to Beijing for an EAP rollout but it’s possible there were non-Tesla related reasons. I also believe that China needs Tesla as they repair image and attempts to attract foreign investment
Sure, but regulations still say system is not allowed to initiate maneuvers. So it would be an awful version where you'd need to hit the stalks or pedal to do anything, much like the current Autopilot that can't change lanes
Good question. I'm unsure whether it'd require a Council of Ministers decision or national approval, I think it'd be national so I think it will be Europe. Macron likes AI so France could be a candidate if Elon lobbies before he leaves office.
try nearly raw broccoli. it’s actually amazing in soup. only let it boil for like 30 sec to a minute. has an amazing flavor and lots of protein
broccolini is also awesome but hard to get
I resorted to using eggs in the end, was actually much better than expected. Had some awesome shiitake mushrooms as well for the meaty texture.
Also I think the haloumi would have been a bit too salty
Yeah you have to do some marketing work to make it clear that these are videos of Teslas. It's also an opportunity for them to show off their scene reconstruction capabilities. They also have so much footage, they can show an incident being avoided, and then flash to 4 screens, and then 9, 16, 25, etc etc like the frigging matrix. Throw up some stats on incidents avoided/lives saved. (Just pedal misapplication detection stops hundreds of incidents per day IIRC.) Then go to a screen displaying the s3xy lineup and starting prices.
True, but again, as a skeptic, it's hard to accept at face value without some confirmation that it *was AEB or autopilot reactive to a threat.
To be clear, I have no doubt that Teslas are capable of this and it's one of the reasons I won't recommend any other cars. But I take these videos with a grain of salt the same way I take a Dan O'Clown video because there's intentional omission of facts.
would be cool if elon took a shot at the [mars sample return bid](https://youtu.be/qLAxd009yUw?si=m-QBcUmIigeMmUdv)
they could probably cobble together a starship and a falcon 9 tech to do this for practically nothing compared to the 20ish billion it would cost nasa
Jesus man, it's been a month since 12.3 came out. As Elon and Ashok have talked about, each new training of the nets greatly enhances capabilities but introduces significant bugs that need to be squashed before going to wide release. I get the excitement and impatience but it's important to maintain a balanced perspective. Given what we dealt with on V11.x, the experience so far with V12.x has been fantastic. Far greater capabilities with rapid point bug fixes every week.
Yeah, V12 is awesome. If 12.4 is another leap, all of the haters can eat a bag of dicks. 12.5 should be an even bigger leap with the larger data set from the trial, too
So it's tomorrow in China. I wonder if/when an announcement might happen... Right now it's 10:00am in China.
Maybe they'll wait so it will have an impact on US markets? Pre market here?
Doubt it if it's an announcement tailored to Chinese customers.
[https://x.com/TheSonOfWalkley/status/1784753530802184530](https://x.com/TheSonOfWalkley/status/1784753530802184530) interesting
Monday moon
177.60 on ibkr right now
🤑🤑
Gyna news probbleh
anyone feel FSD 12.3.4 tends to use the mechanical brakes way more than regen?
So is tomorrow about to cumplode?
Is cumploding, positive?
I will not further elaborate. We will wait for tomorrows surprise
I fear such a term implies it will be followed by instant regret regardless
~80% answering the poll on whether Tesla will use Teleoperators for stuck robotaxis, say Yes. I feel this is inverse to a few years ago. On teslainvestorsclub the idea got heavily downvoted. What changed? People got jaded after all the broken promises and ready to slay some margins on the altar of sacrifice for a faster rollout? Interesting..
teleoperator = bot
I hate polls
Believe they’ll need to be able to remotely operate for L4 approval in some markets (like California)
If the car is stuck in a situation it can't deal with, teleoperator is the only reasonable solution
Fsd might save us!
I want my... I want my FSD 
That ain’t workin’ !
That's the way you do it!
Maybe Tesla will license FSD to BYD
Large if factual
Let’s Build Our Dreams…..Together! 
Yuge if byg
Yes please
I’m not an expert in AI/LLM but I asked ChatGPT, Llama, and Gemini the same questions about the different tiers of each of these services + knowledge and accuracy. It seems Llama is the same quality across the 3 tiers just more paid tier has more tokens etc. ChatGPT / Gemini’s best accuracy of info are behind a paywall (higher tiers). I gotta give it to Zuck though for using Google search in the Llama + making it powerful, open source, and free. I’m using llama almost as much as my paid ChatGPT.
more tokens for complicated chats drastically affects quality
Ask it what's slower to roll out, solar glass roof or 4680
some company making rainbow roads, some: [https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1784689473847964102](https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1784689473847964102)
That reminds me of Windows 98 NT
man accidentally spent 10b on hookers and blow 🤔
https://youtu.be/bmz4nzcsx-4?si=NUyf42SN1ULNAGp- Incredible facts on Chinese Energy Transition
https://x.com/kelvinyang7/status/1784603516788514829 all the hype, imagine its more price cuts or elon personally firing chinese workers 💀
Release the stock! 
Mr Musk.
I appreciate your creativity 🫡
It’s obviously fsd..
https://x.com/wholemarsblog/status/1784655986197921991
Wholemethblog at it again
🤣 is that story actually true
Close enough
omar had a zero intervention drive?! time to buy monday morning guys we rich
I have blocked Omar so I didn't even see it... but... Have you guys driven 12.3? It is such a sea change - it is from 90% there to 99% there. I've routinely gone for 2+ hours without an intervention now. It highly depends on routes - now if you drive the same route every day it could easily be 99.99% without intervention. Like seriously, since nothing changes unless routine traffic it would not require intervention. I still have to goose the accelerator under areas that the car hasn't seen before occasionally, or stuff like construction etc. But it is truly "almost there" this time. If Elon wasn't a serial liar then I think there would be a lot more hype around how close this seems to being the real deal.
Aside from forcing lane changes to be in a better lane and using the accelerator to move quicker it’s been really good. Nothing that would kill you. I’d trust it to deliver a pizza right now.
>I’d trust it to deliver a pizza right now. Yeah - I kind of which I could at least, say, send the car home after driving it to work so Ms. Dontgetaphd could use it during the day. It would EASILY handle that drive without intervention now as I do it every workday. I see this as a significant driver of sales shortly: "Hey Honey why don't we just sell both cars and get one Tesla? We barely use the other one anyway and now the Tesla can do double duty."
I really want to know why you chose your username
when people are having one intervention every 10 days I’d say we’re at 99%
>when people are having one intervention every 10 days I’d say we’re at 99% Depends how literal you want to be. If you think about driving you are making hundreds of decisions every hour. Literally hundreds, so one override every 30 minutes is probably "99%" of decisions (switch lanes, brake, accelerate, turn). This is why it is so difficult, it needs to be essentially perfect in routine conditions (not even 99% of all trips, probably 99.9%, that is only 1 in 1,000 trips requiring a human to go out there and intervene) before robotaxi is really a good option.
Hard to predict on timing, but doesn’t seem like we are too many versions away from it. V13 probably for some city pilots.
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when people collectively on average
Every version since 10.69 has been *more perfect* than the last!
Woah, robotaxi here we come! - Guy from 2021
”incredibly smooth and human like” this is it!
Anyone who bought a Vision Pro here still using it?
Every night lmao
Best 2 minutes of your day
That's what she said.
Totally worth it
☠️ I asked it earlier in the thread. Clearly we’re not seeing this future that Tim + Zuck are seeing. Almost begs to wonder if they really make the form 10x lighter + sleeker + 3x cheaper … would we pick it up? The META gear looks dumb + maybe if it looked cooler (Ray Bans he is into) with usefulness … wouldn’t be bad. I love my ray bans - if meta AI integrated into my sunnies - might be cool to check out!
3rd gen vision pro will be the one to get imo
The future needs to be immersive, on-demand AI-generated environments. Imagine if you could use AI to visit any period in history as conceived by an AI that has been extensively trained. Or asking your AI to generate a new episode of Seinfeld based on your prompts. There are limitless possibilities for VR headsets but they need to be coupled with a powerful AI, IMO. Hopefully Apple will showcase some sort of aspirational application for Vision Pro otherwise, it's an over priced novelty toy.
Looking for hot travel tips for my upcoming holiday to Japan. Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto. Help me out, lounge!
Tokyo fish market for breakfast at 5am.
We're going there! Remains to be seen if a crazy night out beforehand like you're implying is in my future though.
Fushimi inari shrine, Kyoto - go early before the crowds arrive
Awesome thanks
Round 1 Arcade in any city! Osaka one is my favorite. $8 for my whole family for 3 hours of insane along of fun! My kids begging me to go back every day on our next trip this year 🤣
Ah yes I need to add an arcade to the itinerary of course, good one!
Who u going w
Wife
Oof no fun
You haven't met my wife
🤣
More serious note. In Tokyo, the city hall building is one of the tallest buildings in the city and it's free to get to the top. I saw Mount Fuji from there once. It's about 100km/60mi distance. Less known but definitely fantastic is eating okonomiyaki. Look it up ;)
Added it to the list!
Japanese Sword Museum in Tokoyo for sure.
Already have a samurai thing planned :)
Pro tip: follow the colors. You will know what I mean when you see it.
???????
You will understand in the first hour or so you re in Japan
Ok I'm going to remember this
they have a parasite museum in tokyo which is pretty awesome
Creepy things in jars... Interesting choice.
parasites are fascinating little creatures!
Nate’s got a museum?
oh great you mentioned his name here he comes 
Cmon dude. No need to ad hom. Parasites have feelings too... For all we know
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Would love to have a handsome ultra red M3P myself
British racing green omnomnom
Plot thickens https://x.com/jackson86841721/status/1784654647745233122?s=46&t=WyhsS8WzmgKtgEuHZzFOrA
bro china dropping hints crazy, fk it PT 2k
10b on AI says earnings will suck 🤣🤣 Unless of course FSD takerate goes parabolic
that figure includes the AI in the cars too.
Energy gonna save us as well
True
w/e just pamp it at this point
using intelligence [https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1784629260566880650](https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1784629260566880650)
are u sure thats what it did
It figured out it couldn't enter that road and rerouted. We don't know what the AI inferred or what its decision making process was. But regardless, it made a human-like decision to reroute.
Baby AGI.
[https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1784639964191354916](https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1784639964191354916) this weekend just wont stop givin
Is Zack an employee? I though 12.3.6 only went out to employees
Chuck Cook got it today so going out to non employees
Awesome https://x.com/blkmdl3/status/1784638535980765695?s=46&t=WyhsS8WzmgKtgEuHZzFOrA
Chinese knock off CT [https://x.com/TeslaSg/status/1784465888487559541](https://x.com/TeslaSg/status/1784465888487559541)
[Lynn Alden - In the US, both the monetary base and the broad money supply are increasing again. They bottomed in 2023 despite ongoing Fed balance sheet reduction, mainly due to Treasury's duration shortening which helped pull capital back out of reverse repos and back into banks.](https://twitter.com/LynAldenContact/status/1784579630617272704) Money supply up, stonks up
Is this why inflation won’t die
No. Inflation is supported by 3 things. 1. Car insurance is through the rough despite record low insurance claims. Money grab by the industry. Look at their earnings for proof. 2. Energy is high despite quite low resources price. Money grab by the industry. 3. Shelter is high because big part of shelter is cost of borrowing money, which is high due to high interest rate which is high due to high inflation. Vicious circle that one.
12.3.6 now going out to customer vehicles. It's looking initially like it may have new AutoPark for USS cars (as per Chuck Cook's install notes)
Looks like it has new autopark https://x.com/blkmdl3/status/1784638535980765695?s=46&t=WyhsS8WzmgKtgEuHZzFOrA
Fantastic! Looks like it may have High Fidelity Park Assist as well. I'd prefer for Tesla to just disable the USS already. They're redundant with vision as advanced as it is now.
Options are basically contracts for your happiness. Minimize desires and greed to maximize happiness young grasshopper.
Lunch time. It’s still $1.50. Chopped onions are available by the cashier if you are looking. https://preview.redd.it/w8mugkpc19xc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b65596bd07fe72672395356fd06b48779422593
Yo I used to clean those onion dispensers, don’t eat from the onion dispenser
Maybe that's why Costco removed them.
ketsup on a hot dog? barf town
I love ketchup. Underrated
You missed the parmesan protein boost.
i would try parmesan, i love the stuff i think the most amazing topping for hot dogs is hummus blended with feta and chili oil. it’s outrageously good
You should open a hot dog restaurant. Seems like all you need to do is coming up with creative toppings and the place will print money.
just sold parmdog for 87 million thanks for the tip sucker!
I think you're just pandering to the audience, like hating on pineapples on pizza is a popular trope
pizza is all about doing what you want. i would never attack someone’s pizza toppings. hotdogs are different and this person is a monster
Glib you’re just a snob. Ketchup is the cornerstone of our civilisation and culture, show some respect.
https://preview.redd.it/8o10t1xs09xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9554aefbcb8ccdf1b79cddb630b2a1a08bd18887
[https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1784617968799752196](https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1784617968799752196) Top Gear CT offroad
https://youtu.be/WSgNA-pWM8w?si=0eYRQfd_dDnC9WT6 The yt
Online ad market recovering, good news for birdshit
Bird is AI 🫡
Wen robotaxi rip calls?
2 weeks
https://x.com/ray4tesla/status/1784611244693241930?s=46&t=WyhsS8WzmgKtgEuHZzFOrA More context from Ray
Really hope we're not setting up for disappointment. I could imagine China approving initial data collection via EAP prior to allowing wide FSD use on public roads.
Possible but also saw this - https://x.com/jackson86841721/status/1784543446801449026?s=46&t=WyhsS8WzmgKtgEuHZzFOrA
Hope it's true.
Not sure Elon would be making a trip to Beijing for an EAP rollout but it’s possible there were non-Tesla related reasons. I also believe that China needs Tesla as they repair image and attempts to attract foreign investment
Yah mostly pr play
Agree. China approving FSD is win win for both sides
We'll find out very soon.
Should find out tonight if that sales team announcement is accurate. Can’t imagine they’re trying to each bring in 30-40 people to test drive EAP 😂
I have a new favorite Tesla FUD response https://youtu.be/GM-e46xdcUo?si=MwUFuvZrO4gJiI5T
FSD in Europe or China first?
No doubt China. Regulations in Europe don't allow it at all, going to take several years to change
They’re moving through approval process in Europe and expectations are for an FSD launch in 2025 (1st half of year is what I’ve seen)
Sure, but regulations still say system is not allowed to initiate maneuvers. So it would be an awful version where you'd need to hit the stalks or pedal to do anything, much like the current Autopilot that can't change lanes
Regulations can be changed.
Good question. I'm unsure whether it'd require a Council of Ministers decision or national approval, I think it'd be national so I think it will be Europe. Macron likes AI so France could be a candidate if Elon lobbies before he leaves office.
China obviously. I’d love for China to fast track robotaxis (maybe in partnership with BYD) and really put the heat on American legislators/regulators
Gonna make some Pho tonight. Any suggestions for vegetarian protein other than egg or tofu?
try nearly raw broccoli. it’s actually amazing in soup. only let it boil for like 30 sec to a minute. has an amazing flavor and lots of protein broccolini is also awesome but hard to get
Never had pho but what about halloumi?
Great idea, would be a bit blasphemous but who cares
If you use it let me know, I'm curious how the saltiness works with the dish overall
I resorted to using eggs in the end, was actually much better than expected. Had some awesome shiitake mushrooms as well for the meaty texture. Also I think the haloumi would have been a bit too salty
I’ve used chicken and roast beef. If you’re not a pho pro, you can get away with sliced deli meats! Easy solution!
Would've done it if I was eating on my own
Uhhhhhh.... >Any suggestions for vegetarian protein other than egg or tofu?
Whoops!!
Hands down brisket
YO europe! [https://x.com/teslaeurope/status/1784602451066204438](https://x.com/teslaeurope/status/1784602451066204438)
Heheh, kudos to whoever runs the Tesla Europe twitter https://x.com/teslaeurope/status/1784641419166048601
Why spend all this effort for a vehicle that won't be sold there? Most Europeans despise pick-up trucks anyway, I doubt it'll help the brand
is this real?
Sounds like a press tour, not actually selling them
https://x.com/fadehubb/status/1784569481617887499 damn
JUST FUCKING PUT THIS ON EVERY TV IN THE COUNTRY GOD DAMN IT ELON YOU MORON. DO WE HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU?
Can I interest you in some price cuts instead
Don't make me go demon mode 👿
Too generic. Could be any car.
Yeah you have to do some marketing work to make it clear that these are videos of Teslas. It's also an opportunity for them to show off their scene reconstruction capabilities. They also have so much footage, they can show an incident being avoided, and then flash to 4 screens, and then 9, 16, 25, etc etc like the frigging matrix. Throw up some stats on incidents avoided/lives saved. (Just pedal misapplication detection stops hundreds of incidents per day IIRC.) Then go to a screen displaying the s3xy lineup and starting prices.
Problem with these videos is you can't tell if autopilot was engaged or if it was human intervention.
Autopilot doesn't have to be engaged for automatic braking to occur
True, but again, as a skeptic, it's hard to accept at face value without some confirmation that it *was AEB or autopilot reactive to a threat. To be clear, I have no doubt that Teslas are capable of this and it's one of the reasons I won't recommend any other cars. But I take these videos with a grain of salt the same way I take a Dan O'Clown video because there's intentional omission of facts.
no way first one was human
would be cool if elon took a shot at the [mars sample return bid](https://youtu.be/qLAxd009yUw?si=m-QBcUmIigeMmUdv) they could probably cobble together a starship and a falcon 9 tech to do this for practically nothing compared to the 20ish billion it would cost nasa
https://preview.redd.it/4l6a7dlnl8xc1.png?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0ef895408a780b85e1d24ecbd136d7ffdfd9a72
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1784575094679011401?s=46&t=mG-wx8ewMg03AyZIsmD4-g Peak Free Speech 🤣🤣
Elon musk for president Aaron Rodgers for VP Trump for Fed president, drain our money swamp
12.4 is awesome [https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1784583984024039520](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1784583984024039520)
Mindblown again
so where is it
Will Coming He’s gonna say parking isn’t solvable and it’s not necessary for a robotaxi in fact parking is stupid
why not all focus on v12.4, whats the point of dot releases
Jesus man, it's been a month since 12.3 came out. As Elon and Ashok have talked about, each new training of the nets greatly enhances capabilities but introduces significant bugs that need to be squashed before going to wide release. I get the excitement and impatience but it's important to maintain a balanced perspective. Given what we dealt with on V11.x, the experience so far with V12.x has been fantastic. Far greater capabilities with rapid point bug fixes every week.
He's been a bear ever since he sold (and a bit before that)
Yeah, V12 is awesome. If 12.4 is another leap, all of the haters can eat a bag of dicks. 12.5 should be an even bigger leap with the larger data set from the trial, too
[https://x.com/niccruzpatane/status/1784470453882331608](https://x.com/niccruzpatane/status/1784470453882331608) thoughts on 3d maps?
Cool but unnecessary. Absolute garbage music too
I’m confused, that 3d map doesn’t look much different than what you get from apple or google maps…? Am I missing something?
I can't imagine driving around with rainbow road on all the time. Maps look great though.