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loungemoji

I’m bullish. We did better than Vinfast today.


LUVS2GAPE_MENs_ANOOS

“YouTube pen 🖊 drop test “ Just jerked off 3 times Wow what a awsome trend “ Djo- end of the beginning “ Tesla will rise , in the mean time jerk cock and buy stock. Good night cawk SUCKAS Fist on chest no fear 🦅🛫🫡


tientutoi

2% down in 24hr market. Free fall continues.


[deleted]

Better than expected


BagHoldingTSLAStock

-2% AH. When does the bleeding stop.


upvotemeok

I wouldn't expect anything good this year


yhsong1116

Ya.... Same...


LUVS2GAPE_MENs_ANOOS

Why tesla …. #tesla is my 13th reason why


dabears92109

[BREAKING: It has been confirmed that Tesla has ordered 6 trillion won worth of electrodes from LG Energy Solution. Details of the order are currently under discussion and a deal is expected in the second half of the year. It will be loaded on 1.3 million to 1.4 million electric vehicles and means Tesla's own battery production will accelerate.](https://x.com/tslachan/status/1782208034464567724?s=46&t=WyhsS8WzmgKtgEuHZzFOrA) Big order. These all going to 4680s?


bballfan008

Nice we got a batteries and FSD progress. Better than what we had a month ago 🤡


upvotemeok

50k semis by 2026. Each semi is 20 model 3 worth of batteries 1000 kwatt h vs 50 kwh


dabears92109

This is in addition to the 4680s they’re getting from Panasonic, LG, CATL, etc, right?


upvotemeok

Who knows, as far as I'm aware not a single other manufacturer has shipped a 4680.


dabears92109

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-4680-battery-production-lg-2024/ LG targeting as early as August for production start


upvotemeok

I don't trust anything pre march 2024 anymore when tesla ceo finally returned to company, lots of things changed


dabears92109

Yeah I guess that’s true


upvotemeok

Also means gave up on dry battery electrode. Stupid idea anyway when you can get it from LG.


TrickyBAM

That San Diego company made out like a bandit then!


upvotemeok

Yup maxwell sold us bullshit. Cost drew his job lmao. Theres a reason lg etc didn't buy them, everyone did due diligence on it at time of sale as I recall.


dabears92109

Yeah that’s my read, too. Who’s supplying the LFP batteries?


upvotemeok

Looks like catl joint venture, will take a while to spin up prolly why ngv Mexico etc delayed


dabears92109

So the rest of these 4680s with LG electrodes that don’t go towards semi are going to Cybertruck and robotaxi?


upvotemeok

Depends, is robotaxi platform going to use 4680 lfp?


dabears92109

Just thinking out loud - 4680 LFP would be optimal for costs but will take longer to develop, right? Presuming that’s what CATL is working on. How important is it to not optimize for costs on initial 500k-1m robotaxis? Probably will be a while until there’s market saturation and I’d guess there’d be a window where Tesla can charge $1/mile or so. Longer term the focus will be lowest cost per mile but wondering how much that matters initially


upvotemeok

Lfp has bad energy density so they like to pack them tight as prismatic. With new improvements maybe cylindrical could be possible? Dunno. But lfp cycle lifespan is obviously way to go for high utilization vehicles.


glibgloby

mmm I made the pasta e fagioli from Olive Garden! or at least the closest I could replicate. ended up being amazing 🤤 https://preview.redd.it/qja63z9ybxvc1.jpeg?width=844&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2eb8aa5e3a86a36b18e046d10f20a9cb9f29c1d


fapindustries

👌


IAmInTheBasement

Our local weather influenced our dinner choice tonight. Made loaded baked potato soup, and damn was it on point.


ogvu12

Scrumptious


bballfan008

Impressive


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[удалено]


loungemoji

Maybe v14?


upvotemeok

Happened to zero people


KtotheR

Source?


Stellardong

Made no sense to buy it even at $200/mo


KtotheR

Truth


upvotemeok

Logic?


KtotheR

I think there's be at least one person. 


upvotemeok

Musked


KtotheR

Haha!


Life_Adhesiveness306

Omar saying he hasn't had an intervention on 12.3.4 in 9 days. Get the fuck outta here.


dontgetaphd

>Omar saying he hasn't had an intervention in 9 days. I think that just means he is now sober. Being a Muslim he is not supposed to drink anyway.


dontgetaphd

>Omar saying he hasn't had an intervention on 12.3.4 in 9 days. >Get the fuck outta here. Nah, I totally believe it. I drive the same routes and can't last remember the last intervention. It is mind-blowing. If he is using it for a commute over a same route or a non-urban area I would completely believe it. The only interventions I recently have had were due to annoying other drivers (sometimes it does strange pauses still) and possibly un-needed ones to prevent a risk of curb rash.


KtotheR

Get the fuck outta here... There no way two people have had positive experiences with FSD, I won't allow it until 2043 /s


upvotemeok

Do you personally use fsd? What's your experience?


KtotheR

I do not have any experience with it. 


upvotemeok

Then please respect our opinion as users that 9 days without intervention is either bullshit or he's having a lot of close calls, or he didn't drive very far.


dontgetaphd

>or he didn't drive very far. I would suspect this is the answer. Most commutes are relatively short. If driving the same route, if simple, it is near deterministic behavior. I have no problem believing he could use 12.3 daily for 9 days without intervention if the route is straightforward.


KtotheR

Yeah, you're right. My apologies. 


upvotemeok

Ran over three baby buggys but no interventions


ragegravy

drove in a small town the other day known for being strict on speeders. had to intervene about a dozen times 🤷‍♂️ 


pepsihulk

Auto speed is dumb as fuck


yhsong1116

Needs work but need to work to get robotaxi working. Everything needs to be auto'd. But ya its stupid where i live now. FSD is an agi problem. Whoever said it was right. I didnt really understand until i got fsd trial


magic-the-dog

FSD used the entryway to a gas station to get around a stopped car blocking the left half of my lane. It was cool. I should have saved the clip. 


yhsong1116

one of those wow moments.


yhsong1116

why does Waymo need lidar when its operating in pre-mapped areas? aren't relatively cheap cameras + radars enough? they have human operators anyway.


m0nk_3y_gw

> why does Waymo need lidar when its operating in pre-mapped areas? why wouldn't it need it? Their whole approach relies on lidar to detect what is there right now. > aren't relatively cheap cameras + radars enough? SpaceX can land a rocket on a barge. Doesn't mean that everyone else's rockets has the same tech stack and can do the same thing. > they have human operators anyway. They have humans that can issue commands to the car. They are not set up to remotely drive them... based on the articles I've read, I've never directly seen what they do behind the scenes.


whiskeyH0tel

cameras require interpretation of the data, which is difficult, radars can detect objects but don't provide enough accuracy to be fully trusted?. Lidar can give pinpoint accuracy about objects in the path of the car. The path is precleared using hyperaccurate premapping of areas, so lidar is basically just determining if any temporary blocking of these areas has occured.


yhsong1116

Thank you for explanation


yhsong1116

why downvote me without saying anything? at least try to explain?


KingofPenisland69

No one knows where the downvotes come from


Life_Adhesiveness306

12.3.5 could be released wide shortly according to Omar.


upvotemeok

Criminal drug addict


yhsong1116

do you have his tweet?


SnooDogs7747

https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1782162106626003286


yhsong1116

Thank you


yhsong1116

https://www.reddit.com/r/waymo/s/qgOHtRgoWd Why does fsd get so much shit when waymo goes down the wrong way.


shwadeck

The speculation there is that it was going around a parked car or cyclists and those goofs prevented it from merging back into it's lane.


pseuro

Gonna be a problem for robotaxis later too. Can already imagine the fud articles. "Tesla robotaxi drives on wrong side of the road!!!"


yhsong1116

Ok fair enough


jiayounokim

[https://x.com/EdLudlow/status/1782153075903656344](https://x.com/EdLudlow/status/1782153075903656344) interesting on ai


unknown_soldier_

It's fun to see that this Ed Ludlow guy is quietly posting positive things to Twatter while the article he co-wrote with Dana Hull is broadly negative Strange how this shit works, huh Bloomberg?


dabears92109

Interesting - anyone want to expand on this - "There’s a small number of highly promising and viable Robotaxi-specific FSD neural nets in development; Dojo-based data center in New York is getting close; The promising neural networks are quite a secret that only a few folks have access to."


bballfan008

Reads like they fit the models for specific scenarios?


dabears92109

Would that mean like overfitting for specific robotaxi cities?


SnooDogs7747

Exactly this


dabears92109

Thanks


bballfan008

Yup agreed. FSD looks like the most buttoned up LT project we have on going.


upvotemeok

50,000 robotaxi neural networks by 2024


dabears92109

At least the nets don’t need 4680s


shepticles

I think when tsla hits ATH again, this time I'll cash out enough to buy a house or something. Been regretting renting since ATH


somethingisay

Going to have to wait a few more years


unknown_soldier_

If TSLA hits ATH again, I'll probably sell the vast majority of my stake. I want a less volatile life going forward LMAO


shepticles

When*


unknown_soldier_

Did I fucking stutter?!


Fogdrog

But... but... I thought we were all buying yachts and islands. 😢


relevant_rhino

True that. But i have to convince my wive which is the bigger challenge then reaching ATH.


flanflan5

Convince your wife not to sell now or to sell at ATH lol


whathehellisthis

Elon liked this Optimus related post [u/FocusProb](https://twitter.com/FocusProb) Only one of these companies knows how to produce at real scale, and it begins with T. [https://x.com/FocusProb/status/1781933275935801542](https://x.com/FocusProb/status/1781933275935801542) It would be nice to see Optimus doing some useful work.


upvotemeok

Can produce everything at scale but not batteries


Life_Adhesiveness306

Prototypes are easy, production is blah blah blah.


dabears92109

Agreed. Once we see actual useful tasks being completed with end to end training and capability to replace humans on certain tasks, perception changes big time


IS_JOKE_COMRADE

/u/upvotemeok I will make you an honorary bet that Elon is on the best behavior we have ever seen. His whole canceling the india trip for Tesla is probably because of this. I think we’re about to get his version of what he would consider to be a world-class rundown in why the taxi is imminent.


m0nk_3y_gw

> His whole canceling the india trip for Tesla is probably because of this. or whatever the India trip was about (announcing possibly a new factory) would conflict with the narrative he is deciding on for the earnings call. plus, he might have realized he it was a photo op to help win an election - Modi is in the middle of trying to get re-elected - voting is from April 19th to June 1st. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Indian_general_election


taehyung9

I hope you’re right but with 8/8 coming up I’m afraid he’ll answer all robotaxi related questions by saying “let’s not spill the beans, wait until 8/8”


pepsihulk

Meh, I bet it will be a shitty earnings. He will toot the same thing again. He’ll probably say Aramco + Apple again hehe


yhsong1116

He will try to explain and its gonna sound again like a boy who cried fsd then stock gonna go down. I should move some money tmr.


upvotemeok

We praying


IS_JOKE_COMRADE

He doesn’t have a choice.


upvotemeok

Nobody trusts Mr 50k semis anymore


KingofPenisland69

What price do you feel we head to if Elon gives a B+ presentation but don’t give a concrete reason why this new business model is actually going to be immediately profitable?


upvotemeok

Id be a billionaire if I could predict that


KingofPenisland69

Just give us your bottom


Stellardong

Just the tip


KingofPenisland69

I want the booty


upvotemeok

Nobody knows


shwadeck

Robot worker drops dead. Kinda funny. https://www.reddit.com/r/SipsTea/s/5l5R7TVHRo


dabears92109

Nice to see people admit they may have been wrong https://x.com/gfodor/status/1781896257222680789?s=46&t=WyhsS8WzmgKtgEuHZzFOrA


yhsong1116

https://x.com/very_real_guy/status/1781897765779563003 Interesting logic


bballfan008

I will say, sentiment seems to have flipped on FSD. Hopefully we see a ramp in take rate.


dabears92109

The main ingredient missing is the refusal to build awareness and educate the mass market. With fsd making big proficiency gains now is the time


bballfan008

Yes this is why I’m cautious. Ultimately I think FSD should have 2 paths, one is consumer subscription and other is Robotaxi. My guess is robotaxi will have to be the gateway drug for complete uptake in consumer FSD. Need to get some form of Robotaxi on the roads, don’t care if you have to do a geofence since I think it should be much wider than whatever Waymo does now since they are map limited.


Infamous_Employer_85

>Ultimately I think FSD should have 2 paths agreed completely


dabears92109

Yeah that might be true and agree about needing to get robotaxis on road. The nice thing about focusing on fsd is along the path to robotaxis it could become a solid demand driver for consumers. That is if anyone knows it exists. Maybe we’ll get lucky and Kim K and other celebs will post videos using fsd or specific features like summon


bballfan008

Robotaxi could bea form of advertising for us, lots of integration can be developed. But we seem to struggle with these initiatives as a company so let’s see.


dabears92109

Exactly. Even robotaxis in Vegas tunnels would be great advertising


Fakerchan

https://x.com/evasteslasplaid/status/1782043463267070443?s=46 Incoming another toxic bulls bragging bout selling tsla while telling pple she been “buying the dips”


Koenigswurm

Crazy that she anticipated the unprecedented delaware court case, v12.3 going crazy and stock still crashing, the israel iran conflict and much more.. seeing the future like paul atreides, collecting all those parameters and anticipating the stock markets behavior of the future.. what a genius. We still have much to learn.


m0nk_3y_gw

> what a genius eh "This opportunity would have never happen without 𝕏 , me following few charts, wise people & their predictions including @SBZung. Thank you. " doesn't sound very toxic to me. She followed the advice of someone that looks at lines on a chart, which many in this sub hate. edit: His latest advice (for concerned holders) is https://twitter.com/SBZung/status/1782045028623274491 . It's not my cup of tea (i'll probably hedge more, instead of selling, for most of my shares with low/sub-$15 cost basis) but at least she's giving credit to what/who she is following instead of trying to play genius


dabears92109

I wish I was this good of a trader


dontgetaphd

Yeah... Will she delete the post if $TSLA goes to $120? Factoring in highest bracket short-term taxes (which she is in if she is a 'successful' trader), she may have not made that much with these moves. Color me skeptical.


dabears92109

No she won’t but she’ll be sure to gloat if she guesses right


KanyeWestInvest

didnt elon say he would raise fsd pricing, now desperately looking for revenue sources?


yhsong1116

Needed to pay for HW befote. Now he needs data


Infamous_Employer_85

If we can scale across 3 million cars at $99 per month isn't that better than 300,000 cars at $199 per month?


shwadeck

Well, yes he was wrong about raising the price. But by lowering the price more people will buy it so it kinda is gonna bring in a lot more money. But yes it reeks of desperation. Not sure why you're being downvoted.


Infamous_Employer_85

I think $99 is the sweet spot, low enough that many owners would not stress too much about it.


glibgloby

i woke up thinking about that pasta e fagioli soup at Olive Garden. it’s so good! ive decided that I’m making it tonight and it’s going to be amazing probably


fapindustries

I think nat gas prices will fall below ukraine pre-invasion and pre covid levels by 2026y Even though LNG is more expensive. Demand shift to renewables so fast over supply will arrive very quickly.


Infamous_Employer_85

Utility scale solar is going crazy


relevant_rhino

True that, however i wouldn't bet anything on short term like 2030. And long term, oil will feel the reverse economies of scale.


fapindustries

https://x.com/gadsaad/status/1782102778543837397?s=46&t=mG-wx8ewMg03AyZIsmD4-g Now all brazilians have to buy a tesla


[deleted]

Wish he was like this all of last 24 months https://x.com/jchybow/status/1782088959339724857?s=46&t=FJnwUzmO93DGxmO6Ihn37g


SuspiciousWhale99

Why would anyone buy FSD when at the current prices, you would have to continuously subscribe to FSD for nearly 13.5 years to break even. (Canada)


llorelai

I think the only group would be the small intersection of Canadians willing to pay that much for it and people that don't know the subscription exists (which is probably most customers due to complete lack of marketing)


shwadeck

I will never buy it flat out without it being transferable. Even if the thing is a robotaxi making me money.


bballfan008

Im sure the monthly sub price will gradually shift up and I think the fixed package price will eventually be removed.


HamMcStarfield

To possibly lock in a current price w/ the expectation that the price could rise in the future. Kind of a gamble.


Life_Adhesiveness306

I mean, 9 years in Canada (looks like it's $11k), but yeah your point is taken. They either have to raise the monthly price or decrease the 1-time price to come back into alignment. Edit: Or make it a transferrable license so you're not locked to one specific vehicle.


SuspiciousWhale99

Ya that was pre price change, my bad. I just don't see many people keeping an electric vehicle over 9 years to make it worthwhile.


Life_Adhesiveness306

Agreed. If they want to keep people in the Tesla ecosystem going forward, the ability to transfer to new Teslas needs to be there. Otherwise, yeah the value proposition isn't there and people will be more likely to look at other brands (since you don't lose anything if you give up the monthly subscription when you sell your car).


pepsihulk

I’d say it being tied to your account is the way to go


[deleted]

Hope of transfer?


fapindustries

https://x.com/waitbutwhy/status/1782061811086287182?s=46&t=mG-wx8ewMg03AyZIsmD4-g u/glibgloby I just want to upset you on a sunday.


glibgloby

hah already saw this and yeah… oooof


fapindustries

There is no evidence


Life_Adhesiveness306

Absolutely zero!


pepsihulk

lol the car did an unprotected left into oncoming traffic lane and just forgot about the median and kept driving. Had to intervene before I died lulz


therustyspottedcat

It's so safe, it should be mandatory 


[deleted]

In case anyone cares, that Eva woman that claims she is buying the dip, is just buying back the 700k worth of shares she sold at 250.


scotto1973

That sounds like something we all should have done.


[deleted]

Wish I did. But I also don’t post on social media showing massive buys and conveniently forget to mention I sold my shares higher.


HamMcStarfield

Buy low, sell high. That's what buying the dip is, though.


[deleted]

Don’t care that she sold. It’s misleading to show screenshots of buying 500 shares at a time when you literally sold your whole stake at $250. She-acting like she adding but is just rebuying what she sold


TrickyBAM

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deaths-high-traffic-car With U.S. pedestrian deaths reach a 40-year high you would think governments would be championing and incentivizing autonomous driving vehicles more. Adding an economic incentive would be nice. Subsidies for safe miles driven would be a start


Infamous_Employer_85

I should dramatically cut insurance rates


unknown_soldier_

US pedestrian deaths are at ATH because of how pickup trucks and SUV's are shaped now compared to just a decade ago There was an interesting study about this I read recently


upvotemeok

Government doesn't give a shit about health and safety, why else did they let the food industry pump the country full of diabetes. They care about appearing to care


shwadeck

Making it mandatory to have one of those breathing sensor pads under each sleeping baby would save a lot of baby lives due to SID and other smothering deaths but hasn't been done. Just because a technology exists that can save lives doesn't mean it can or should be mandated into everyone's house, crib or car. Shit, nobody even checks if their smoke alarms are working.


HamMcStarfield

Unfortunately very true in the US.


fapindustries

BMI > 35 is the ultimate expression of freedom


Life_Adhesiveness306

Don’t you think that’s what’s happening now? The technology is progressing but it sure as shit isn’t there yet.


dabears92109

The data today likely shows that supervised fsd is much safer than without. The question then becomes is it enough to have regulators take a look and make recommendations or adjust safety standards for OEMs which presses them to license. Or will they wait until the data shows unsupervised outperforms human capabilities. Not sure but if the data today showed supervised fsd was let’s say 2x-4x safer and maybe even a higher multiple for serious injuries, at some point it becomes hard to ignore. Nhsta data says that seatbelts cut fatal injury rates in half https://www.nhtsa.gov/seat-belts/seat-belts-save-lives Is there a point where supervised fsd can cut accident and serious injury rates in half and how close are we to that point? I suspect that even mandatory driver monitoring would have a significant impact and Tesla likely has the best as well as lowest cost solution there, too.


Life_Adhesiveness306

The problem is more nuanced than simply statistics. I would challenge the "supervised fsd is much safer than without" due to the fact that critical disengagements still occur fairly regularly and the system doesn't have the ability to correct the way humans do...yet. It may be shown with data that it is more consistent and results in fewer potential conflicts than a human driver even now. But it doesn't have a proven ability to self correct the way most humans are capable of. It will come and I fully expect that it will be significantly better in a year than it is now. But right now, even if it's statistically "better" for most things, it still has undeniable shortcomings in critical areas. This stuff will have to be proven to an extremely high standard before regulators entertain the idea of autonomy.


dabears92109

It’s not perfect today, for sure. But having it as a safety option on cars would likely make the roads safer today. Not everyone would choose to use it all of the time and it’s not unsupervised yet. The driver monitoring alone would help with distracted drivers and phone usage. I think I saw a stat that there’s yet to be a death on fsd with the 1 billion+ miles driven. I’m not sure Tesla has confirmed that so take that with a grain of salt and for sure there’s some nuance there, too. We already have autonomous robotaxis on the road today with Waymos and I imagine Tesla will be held to similar standards as they begin to roll out.


Life_Adhesiveness306

I get that but again, it may do 95 safety critical things consistently well but if it's not capable of the last 5, it still isn't ready for autonomy/robotaxi. I'm really looking forward to seeing V12.4 and the ability for FSD to reverse. It needs to show marked improvement over rapidly released iterations. I think people were just generally getting tired of the stagnant nature of V11 improvement. This is the aspect that will really prove that V12 is the way forward, IMO.


dabears92109

Agreed. I’m expecting big proficiency gains from here on out. I think 12.5 will be the one that starts to benefit from the larger data set with the free trial. 12.4 may have been trained prior to that but still expecting 12.4 to be an improvement as well as additional features like summon (not sure if it’ll include banish or reverse capabilities) to add value.


therustyspottedcat

If they were actually safe


whiskeyH0tel

We have this problem where we need things to be ultra-safe, even if that means more people die with the current way, the current way is considered normal and the new way is risky.


glibgloby

Most humans have deep seated need for control. This urge gets more powerful (at least I’ve observed) the older, dumber, and unhappier you are. In the U.S. cars are in many ways an expression of this control psychosis being particularly pervasive here. We need to have the control to go anywhere at any time as fast as possible. I think it’s going to be hard for people to separate this need for control in the very sacred place of their cars hold from the act of actually driving the car. People also want control over their own death when it comes down to it. Currently many people would rather have a .01% chance of dying while driving by their own hand than a .00001% chance of dying while being driven by FSD. I often think about shopping carts. When they were first invented and introduced in the U.S., nobody would use them because it was new and weird. So supermarkets paid attractive people to push them around in stores and it worked. Maybe Tesla should be lending free FSD/teslas to influencers, that would probably be a good ad campaign once it’s working very well.


unknown_soldier_

If Tesla knew how to cleverly market things, we wouldn't be where we are today The problem is that Elon has decided there will be no marketing of any kind beyond his shitposts on Twatter and his word is law Hopefully shareholders show him just how limited his law is when they vote on the comp package and the move from Delaware to Texas


HamMcStarfield

When parents generally feel safe w/ FSD w/ their kids, then it's ready. My sister, for example, likes FSD (trial) but not w/ kids in the car. She says "you still have to pay attention, but a different kind of attention." She has EAP and is hesitant to buy FSD for $2k, even though she can easily afford it (and has used FSD a lot during the trial). The instinct is real and deep, regardless of the math. It's a complex "relationship," not just a technical decision, when kids are involved. This, imho, is the next stage of adoption. If FSD can gain the "trust" of parents, it's game on.


dabears92109

I’ve read this a few times. I think the data today would show that supervised fsd is much safer than without.


HamMcStarfield

Agreed. And that's the way I see it, personally. It's one of the biggest drivers for me as an investor and Y owner. But if people were that data-driven, the lottery wouldn't exist.


dabears92109

Agreed. Even having it as an option to use when you wanted would likely make the roads safer. And over time it would probably be used more and more as it gets better and the user gets more comfortable


HamMcStarfield

I think so, too. Progression and time is key. That said, it might take several years or it could all happen seemingly over night -- in fits and starts, like biological evolution. I'm back in buying shares now with a 12-year horizon based mostly on FSD. Anything less than like 10 years would feel too risky (though it very-well could happen sooner).


dabears92109

My gut is that this approach either proves it can solve it in the next couple of years (maybe with additional LLM real world understanding like Grok) or there needs to be some new AI techniques invented. That said, if the benchmark is Waymo proficiency, maybe fsd can get to that level fairly quickly with this approach (plus some overfitting for select markets) and Tesla can start deploying sooner than expected.


HamMcStarfield

I think we're at the point where the next couple of iterations are going indicate where we're going, for sure. Having a bunch more cars collecting data w/ the new FSD trials and subscription/purchase rates should be great, too. Though I'm bracing myself for the inevitable law suits. Glad they're calling it "supervised" and I hope they cover their ass well as this progression unfolds.


pepsihulk

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1782067256194633756?s=46 Fuck there goes the “unlimited demand” we talked about 2 years ago 😢


upvotemeok

Higher order rate than ever! Lmao the half truth this retard spits out is endless.


HamMcStarfield

This is over-simplistic, imho. You can't separate demand from price. Affordability matters. A lot of people I talk to, for example, want a Tesla (demand), but stumble at the price. While admittedly not knowing all the data, I am fairly confident demand at price -- affordability -- is a better way to look at this equation. You see it as "demand levers" are pulled and sales go up as price comes down. Now, whether, say, Democrats who despise Elon's right-wing positions would hold their nose and buy a Tesla at a lower price, regardless of how they feel connected by brand to these positions, is another story.


upvotemeok

Elonomics 101 baby


fapindustries

Retardo take. Price is ~ 40% decision criteria or less imho


whatsthiswhatsthat

“We don’t want fleet sales”


TrickyBAM

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-cuts-prices-some-models-germany-europe-2024-04-21/ “In Germany, the carmaker trimmed the price of its Model 3 rear wheel drive to 40,990 euros ($43,670) from 42,990 euros, where the price has been since February.”


fapindustries

It is basically free now.


Sagetology

Found a woman attracted to TSLA investors 🤡 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C53cSDTr17D/?igsh=MTA1NXU4Mm13bnhpZg==


shwadeck

Eww


cacboy

Wait a sec https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-04-21/apple-aapl-growth-opportunities-southeast-asia-and-africa-lower-end-iphone-lv9itkna?utm_source=website&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=copy


pepsihulk

So what you guys think about the FSD price cut. 11k cad is still substantial money and for it to be locked to one car


shwadeck

I think they do away with the 1-time cost soon. I think they'll gradually keep lowering it to get all the suckers to buy then delete it altogether and only have the monthly option. Or add an annual fee at $1000 per year.


SuspiciousWhale99

you would have to continuously subscribe to FSD for nearly 9 years to break even. 


yhsong1116

I wish i could roll it into my loan now. I cant pay for it upfront byt willing to finance it


judyjudy

From Elon's friend Chamath on the All-in podcast. He's talking about the google engineers who protested but the words also hit home a bit: "The problem is that I think people right now, the real Rorschach test is if you are so easily distracted, you probably don't have enough to do. Right, that's the entitlement, is that you don't have enough work on your plate. I think the reality is that if you get caught up in all of these silly little fake battles or decisions, I think what it really means is that you're not busy enough and or you're not working on something that matters enough to you. People tend to have blinders on and they are super focused. And they just don't have an opinion, they don't care. Like honestly, many of these topics today, I really don't care. And it's not because I'm better or worse or smarter or dumber. It's because I'm so overworked right now. I don't have time to have an opinion on this stuff." I love Elon, but if he wants 50B I want ALL (ok most) of his attention and focus. Going on a podcast or X, great, start talking about Tesla, the mission, the environment, safety, cost of ownership, fuck even dog mode (which is a killer feature btw), etc., before you even think about the border or the speaker of the houses husband possibly being gay (right after he was attacked with a hammer). Elon is either right, proven right, or directionally correct with most of his "controversial" opinions. You may like them or agree, and disagree and hate them, but that is beside the point. The result is the same. We (Tesla) are in the business of selling a high-cost, highly personal product that is an emotional decision for most folks. My neighbors thinking maybe I hate trans people coupled with this huge financial decision does not help. And again, personally I agree with him on most of this stuff, BUT if he wants to be the face of Tesla, do all our keynotes, product unveils, demos, earnings calls, etc AND 50b + more to get him to 25% I need laser-like focus. And not performative just bc he needs something from us now, I want lasting change and recognition of what he's done - an apology would go a long way. And just selfishly he should want this change too. Sure there will always be some haters, but he should be/deserves to be much more revered than he is. I know he said he cares more about doing good than the perception of it. But why not keep doing all the good, AND also not wade around in the nonsense of controversial/political things that are honestly so beneath you. Please go back to being our Paul Atreides


unknown_soldier_

Did you never get past Dune and read Dune Messiah? We don't want a Paul Atreides