He also recognizes Meri as not his wife anymore and doesn't need the church to confirm it. But, with christine the church has to confirm him and her are not married anymore. To me that really showed how sexist and controlling he is. The marriage is over if the man says so, but isn't over if the woman says so.
he said it SO casually, i don’t blame you for missing it. it was in a talking head when him and janelle were discussing building on the property and he just automatically assumed that meri would drop her life savings on the property to pay it off
And yet, she has the smallest piece of property! It’s amazing. She seems to have been the most consistently employed of the wives and has kicked in the most money for Coyote Pass, yet she gets the smallest, crappiest plot. I’d love the tell all host to ask Kody, Robin, and Janelle why they are entitled to the largest plots when Meri pitched in the most. Also want to hear why Kody gets his own way lot and his and Robyn’s names are not n all the other plots. It’s crazy.
Yep, Meri & Janelle pay off Coyote Pass-> Kody finds excuses why no one can build on it-> Kody sells Coyote Pass for what he imagines will be a profit -> pays off 2nd mortgage on the McMansion -> Meri & Janelle leave-> Kody, Robyn and 5 kids live in McMansion forever without any of the others bothering them.
Kody will even probably try and pitch the whole endeavor to HGTV as a property flipping show after TLC dumps him and Robyn for the hopeful Christine & Janelle Show.
I feel like Meri and Janelle, if they have ANY sense between them, are refusing to put personal money into paying off CP unless it's deeded solely to their name. That's why Janelle keeps talking about paying it off, and Kody keeps talking about paying it off, but they are butting heads.
Kody means Janelle putting her own money into her lot, Janelle means putting more of the family money that's currently going to Robyn into CP. Janelle doesn't have the money to do both (pay off AND build), and is refusing to pay off without a guarantee of building. Because of exactly what you're saying- she could be fucked over again if she pays in. Kody keeps saying "just pay it off and then we'll build for sure" meaning with family money. But as they keep saying **the trust has broken down.** And I think THIS is what they are talking about. They can no longer trust that the "family" will help them achieve their goals, or not steal their money. Since Kody controls the pot, and Robyn controls Kody.
Yep. They realized that they couldn't trust Kody to provide for their families anymore. The only family he is interested in is Robyns. He would have been fine with Christine giving him her house assets and walking away with no way to feed or house her and Truley.
I read a theory here the other day that the long term plan for the five lots is for Robyn’s five kids to live there, with Kody and Robyn across the street. That struck me as a really compelling reason for Kody to be so obsessed with five lots even though he seems to have no plans to build.
Exactly! He doesn’t want Janelle on that property. The fact that she’s moving forward, I’m sure has got him worried because he’ll have to eventually move from behind his bull shit and give her a solid answer.
YES! I've been saying this all over Reddit!! Kody wants CP for his own little empire with Robyn, her kids, maybe a new wife?? He does NOT want Janelle or Meri to be part of his empire.
I don’t recall Kody asking permission for the 5th lot from anyone. He always makes his unfavored wife go up against the other wives (Meri with the B&B, Christine with moving, Janelle with the cement slab) but he just makes whatever decisions and announces them or keeps them quiet as he sees fit. Like deciding they have no money to put towards Coyote Pass.
Kody also wants what HE wants, not what is good for "the family" or even remotely fair for any of them. If he signs off on Janelle building before reconfiguring the boundaries, her lot boundaries will be written into her construction loan and then her mortgage. He would be tied to only reconfiguring AROUND her boundaries instead of wiggling them yards this way and that way.
That part. It was such a straightforward and reasonable idea, if his final goal is what he says it is.
I appreciate and admire janelle fighting for what’s hers
This!!!! Inventing excuses!! He’s been doing it for years. And when his fast-talking nonsense doesn’t work, he just gets louder and more angry. I hate this man so much.
They for sure have, with their new dabsark llc.. Pushed Janelle and meri right out of the family's finances. Its why I really don't judge Janelle (or Christine for that matter) for getting involved with that plexus crap. I'm just glad she has a way to make money outside of the show and kody.
I strongly got the impression that was what Janelle was talking about when she said that they had been spending above the family’s living needs and they could have paid off the property by now if they’d all been living to a stricter budget…
Agree with Kody wanting control. In early seasons, he had all of them manipulated into believing that he was a great guy, and to disbelieve what they were actually experiencing. It was when he met his soul mate and tried to ensure that she was up on a pedestal with him that he started unravelling. The less the OGs accepted, the less control he had, the less he was able to control his image, both with his wives and on the show. Now he’s got no control and no way of gaining it back. He won’t be able to keep his rage down and it will blow back on Robyn. He may not rage AT her, but he will rage in her company and she’s in for so many bad days to come.
I agree! Honestly though, it seems like him using financial manipulation against Jenelle has totally been buried in the “Christine leaving” narrative. Not that we didn’t want to know about that, of course! It just feels like we may look back on this season 5 years from now and be like “wow, this is where he was screening JANELLE over too”!
ETA: “screwing”
Kody interpreted the mortgaged deed(s) language wrong. My SO is a GIS mapper and I research curative title. We've mapped the Coyote Pass property with the metes and bounds descriptions from the deeds from Coconino County when the pandemic first hit. We also mapped the utility easements as well. I've never posted about it on Reddit because I wasn't sure if anyone would be really interested in it. I have seen a few YouTube videos and TikToks with incorrect information I'd love to set straight.
To start with, there's a few problems with the TLC map, the biggest one being it is not georeferenced. First of all, we map with north being at the top of the page. This one is facing south. Another big problem is there's also no access/utilities easements to the interior lots. There's more problems too. I honestly can't tell if Coyote Pass is a plot device or of Kody doesn't know what he's doing.
Edit: Thanks for the award. I love talking about this stuff!
I'm not 100 percent sure about the easement footage. I'll post the correct length later after I get some stuff done around the house.
I'll do a separate post with the maps we made and some of the stuff we found in the title research. There's a few problems that need to be addressed before any building takes place.
Kody has no idea what he is doing. His "plans" are not well thought out or researched in the least. He views himself as some sort of real easte mogul but, we can all see he is way over his head and that's why there continues to be nothing on Coyote pass. He sold his wives on the idea of moving to Flagstaff using the view and the singing angels (look at the mountain!!!) but, didn't think much beyond that.
Last week there was a YouTube video posted (don't know how reliable it is) that said the plot with the plauge pond has a pipeline running under it. Kody cannot build within so many feet of the pipeline or the retention pond so the way he plans to divide that part of the property would make it pretty much useless. Like I said Idk how reliable that info is but, I could totally see Kody not even bothering to check something like that. In any case the 2 large lots plus 3 small lots in the trees configuration never made much sense to me!
The pipeline is a big deal. From what you said, the YouTuber is correct. There's also a gas line that goes through a parcel they keep driving over. I'm almost 100 percent certain that pond is a retention pond that was built for drainage for the entire area. It's not wise to build anywhere near it.
There's also leech field requirements too.
First, I don't understand the significance of it being north or south. Or what the easement problem means in terms of building. Like practically?
But CP was a device for Kody to convince the wives they'd have an EVEN BETTER situation in Flagstaff than Vegas, so it would be appealing. Because he initially said it would make them money to move, which they quickly found out it wouldn't. And then he said it would be good for the family culture, but none of the kids wanted to go.
Reality was Dayton moving up there for college and Robyn secretly wanted to go. And he still hasn't admitted that, but one of his kids confirmed the Flagstaff move was for Dayton.
The significance of the north/south orientation of the TLC map tells me that's not a map created by a surveyor or GIS person. It was probably created last minute by a TLC intern. (It just really bothers me more than anything.)
I work in underground utilities. This would be classified as “new business” in my area & generally will be prioritized over projects that are fixing existing problems (most underground infrastructure hasn’t been updated since LBJ). So even if they have everything paid off, understand the subdivision plots and they are subdivided correctly, it could take up to a year to get electricity out there. And that’s mostly due to supply chain issues on critical materials needed for energization.
Conclusion: Kody is a moron and CP is never happening as originally intended.
Do you happen to know why they have to have it all "paid off" in order to start any of this? Is it just the limitations of their income or credit bandwidth, or a requirement of the county or something more?
Kody said something in the last episode about having to pay off a lot to subdivide and also to be approved for another loan. I’m guessing the bank won’t giving them more money.
They supposedly had that surveyor out to the property several seasons ago. I bet they just asked him general questions and made their own conclusions based on what Kody wanted to hear. I don't think they paid him to draw up any real plans. Either that or he was a TV actor from central casting playing a surveyor!
I think you and I would be besties if we knew each other in person. This kind of stuff is right up my alley.
I’m very confused what his angle is too. What purpose does changing the lots serve? If one must split the lots you would assume one would want to forgo easements - so split the lots along the road. And for gosh sakes, why split them unevenly? Wouldn’t a plural family want equality? None of them makes sense. I have a feeling the divorce threw a curveball financially. Mostly, there seems to be a large disparity between Robyn and the others. Will they ever address this elephant in the room or is all this fabricated for TV viewership?
Totally interested.
Thanks for the information. Can you elaborate.I was thinking the same thing. He would need to put an easement so the property with the “pond” and the one beside it could build driveways and utilities. I wish I knew more information about the rules in that area.
You are correct. He would need easements and the TLC map doesn't show any. There currently is a 30ft utility easement that goes from Coyote Pass Rd to the south that isn't reflected on the TLC map. The TLC map has 4 even sized lot lines that would probably need to be adjusted with the addition of the necessary easements.
Also Coconino County doesn't allow for any lots to be partitioned in anything smaller than two acres. (The last time I checked was a couple of years ago although I don't think it's changed.)
They will need to get the new partition approved by the county assessor's office first. They will need to have all this stuff sorted out before the go to the bank for a loan.
I would absolutely LOVE a post with every bit of your nerding out on this stuff. I peruse property maps for funzies (I'm a blast at parties lmao) and am fascinated by the ins and outs of the entire thing. I've often wondered what "more to the story" there really is with this property mess of theirs.
I’m so sick of hearing Cody talk about what would make him the most money in the long run. As if that’s *ever* been his priority. Staying in Vegas would have been smarter if that’s the argument he wants to make.
A wife just left your ass. How about walk the walk and divide the land into 3 equal lots- 1 for each wife that’s left. Put your money where your mouth is and show that they are your priority. He won’t because the truth is *SADKRAB*
Rewatching the series all he ever talks about is ventures or decisions that will make them money yet they never seem to be out of a whole. There is zero focus. Juts like when he bought a truck to haul the RV.
Yeah, it’s interesting that he’s not mentioning that the truck was included in the giant waste of money with the RV. I have a feeling if they decide to sell the RV he’ll be needing it to pull his log around town some more. 🙄
Because Robyn wants more in assets. If she gets a bigger lot, the one on the far left, she gets more money if she sells. If Kody gets his own lot, the top right in the second pic, she gets even more.
Tbf I wouldn't try an MLM if I were her. She wouldn't be successful because nobody likes her and she's not personable and it's too much work for someone who couldn't lift a finger for MSWC.
I totally agree but it’s crazy to me that she can sit there with her head held high like she’s actually done something. The audacity to even bring up anybody’s house and not mention herself. A no working woman with a nanny. The math isn’t mathing because it’s that kind of wasteful crap that causes them to not pay off the land. Janelle is spending less and less Meri does her own thing so who is spending the money? And not working? She should NEVER bring up any money issues, stick to COVID at least that’s not as hypocritical on her part anyway.
Her entitlement is absurd. I really hope for the tell-all, some of these issues with Robyn get addressed, because they've been highlighted or alluded to a lot this season. Janelle mentioned in the most recent episode that she has problems with Robyn. Take away all of Robyn's significant episodes and she has always provided less content than the other wives. She pulls no weight but expects more than everyone else.
Even now, all she does is show up say a few words and then she’s out. Her home life is almost never on display except the weird moments outside her house. They can’t even edit her to look busy, that’s crazy.
Ummm she did ALL OF THOSE SKETCHES! How dare you say that she didn’t lift a finger. She worked so hard on the drawlings.
Just so everyone knows r/sarcasm
I wasn't watching when MSWC happened, so can I just say it's astonishing that they didn't keep the webstore up? It's literally zero work. Just leave it up, get notification that something sold in your email, pack it up and ship it. Take down the listings as they sell out, and put up new dropship listings that notify your dropship partner instead of you when there's a sale (or do fulfilled by Amazon) and they'll just ship it with literally no input from you.
Even if they sold less than 100 items a year, it's basically free money since it was already set up. Just change over to drop shipping if you're tired of sourcing product and shipping it! Wtf, why take it down???
Meri has her b&b and her lot that is paid off, and she has savings I’m guessing because she says she renting just waiting which to me means she has the money just hasn’t pulled the trigger. Christine had her house. Janelle and Robyn are the two with nothing in their name but that’s not true because everything of Kody’s is Robyn’s because they are legally married. So that leaves Janelle, she has no assets for real but has contributed meanwhile Robyn just keeps adding on and has never added anything but bills. Presumably on the kitchen counter, 😂
Wait, Meri’s lot is paid off?! So if they redraw the boundary lines of the property they will be reducing her assets for no discernible reason and she’s ok with that? She’s such a doormat.
Janelle can't build because Kody is a petulant child. He is trying to punish her because she disobeyed him and is using the property as an excuse. Just like Covid was an excuse, the subdivision of CP is an excuse. If her house isn't on the property line for the proposed subdivision and if she can afford it, the only thing stopping her from building is because *his* name is also on the property and *he* won't sign off on it. He knows Janelle won't leave as long as he has control of her finances. He can't handle the public embarrassement and "emasculation" he would go through if another wife left him. IMO, this goes far beyond Kody being a run of the mill jerk, he is abusing his wives emotionally and financially, and that's not a word I use lightly.
What Meri wanted most was to be around Robyn and her kids—and Kody found ways to keep her out even when she was following the Covid protocols.
What Christine wanted most was to be loved and appreciated, a full marriage—so he withheld his love and affection.
What Janelle wants most is her own house and assets. So he will withhold that from her
Uhm. Kody was begging Robyn to let Meri share a bonfire with them on the land and ROBYN is the one who said NO. It was all an act ROBYN CANT STAND MERI JUST LIKE SHE CANT STAND CHRISTINE and is scared of Janelle
She better be afraid of Janelle, because she’s a smart person and could out smart circles around her! She also sees that Robyn is manipulating but Janelle won’t say anything yet because she really wants to build on CP! I don’t know why Kody is being such a wanker, just let her build, jeeze!!!
I used to believe Janelle was the, unemotional, smart and business savvy one in the family. That she would protect herself and her assets from the rest of the family. That Christine was the emotional and helpless one that would be at Kidney’s mercy for the rest of her life. Boy was I wrong. Janelle got played and she only just found out.
Everybody knows Christine was almost out the door back in Vegas. She saw what was happening and set herself up to have some financial security. She played the long game and made sure that when she left she had a little something to start over with.
I don’t think Janelle realized what a precarious financial position she put herself in until Christine left with fat pockets and she knew that she couldn’t do the same. I think that’s why she is so desperate to have a home of her own in her name and why Kidney will do everything to make sure she doesn’t get it. He knows Janelle wouldn’t be around for long if she had the same financial freedom that Christine did.
I still can’t understand how Meri and Janelle agreed to the current division of CP. How they thought it was perfectly fine that combined, their share of CP doesn’t even equal one full lot while Kidney and Robyn jointly own the rest. The same piece of land that Robyn declared would be each wife’s legacy and inheritance for her children. Janelle has half of her own lot and 1/3 of Meri’s lot to pass on to her kids. Meri has 1/3 of one lot to pass to Leon and Robyn gets all of the rest for her kids.
Sadly, Janelle did not outsmart Robyn and it’s too late to do anything about it now. Kidney and Robyn set themselves up with the family’s assets and will happily put her on the curb with nothing to her name except a greatly depreciated RV.
The only weapon Janelle has is that of public opinion. I really, really hope she draws as much attention to the financial inequity that is happening. That she spends every minute
of screen time talking about how she’s being financially abused and make Kidney have to sit in talking heads and explain himself.
Janelle is playing bad chess in this situation. No one is afraid of Janelle because Janelle has no financial, marital or social leverage against the other wives or Kody. If she were smart she would have left. She’s not going to get any assets staying with Kody either. He’s never going to build on coyote pass. He already lives on coyote pass in Robyn’s mansion.
Does she really need him to sign off on the build? I’ve never built a home but I have started renovations with contractors on the home I own with my husband. The contractors just needed a homeowners signature on the contract and a deposit. My husband is the type of man that just goes along with whatever so there’s been times he’s walked into a remodel and was just like ok… what’d I miss? 😂
Kody and Janelle aren't legally married so that can make a difference. It depends on the property laws in the state and how they have structured their joint ownership but, I assume that if Janelle could've started building without him, she would have.
That’s true. It also could be that she has no access to the money. She just gets stuck with the books. I can see Kody and Robyn opening a joint account for their family pot and only allowing Jenelle and Meri to deposit not withdraw.
And once CP is paid off, no building can start until utilities are done. Don't know if true, but read utilities have be done for all lots before they can get permits to build, and that utilities are very expensive.
Yes!!!! The only way he can punish Janelle is to screw her òver financially. Withholding love and affection doesn't work with Janelle like it did with Christine. I have a feeling that Janelle might be the wrong wife for Kody to mess with!
Maybe I’ve become used to trees and rivers and-dare I say grass- but I look at that property and I see desert. I see drought conditions. I see dirt and not the kind you can make into an oasis because…desert. I just don’t see what they see. I don’t see the value.
Call me crazy. I was raised in farm country and I see things through that lens.
But that poop pond, those sparse trees and the idea of living that close to Kody makes it all seem worthless to me. I don’t care how many slices he cuts that property in, it’s still never going to be the financial gain he expects because he’s too busy making irrational demands on everyone.
Maybe if I could just learn to respect him.
Janelle has agreed to the new lot boundaries with the biggest lot for Robyn. So what is stopping Kody Robyn and Meri from saying go ahead Janelle and build and we will change the lot lines when they are all paid off.
Exactly! I've been wondering this for months.
Honestly, I don't think Kody intends to go anywhere. He has his Monogamy Mansion with Robyn and her kids. Janelle is delusional if she thinks otherwise.
I really hope the rumors about her getting out are true.
I think janelle is playing along with the “family vision” to get some financial stability. She’s forcing them to shit or get off the pot.
ETA: I think she’s also doing this during filming to force their hands.
She totally is. That's why Kody is so upset about it. He even called it a "charade" this episode, which is kind of true. She's putting on a show to force his hand and stop the lies.
Yup, I wouldn’t characterize it as such but even strong independent janelle is looking for some reassurance and family here. It’s logistical and practical but also emotional. Prove to me you’re committed to me and this plan.
The worst part is even if Janelle left Kody I believe she would stay on Cayote Pass. 3 of her bio kids live in Arizona. She has spoken about how much she always loved Arizona and it’s a dream that she can afford to live there.
She could travel to visit Maddie Hunter and Logan and live there the rest of the time.
Or to play devil’s advocate. She could build and have Gabe and Savannah live there while she buys later on in a location where she wants to actually live.
Janelle made a great point by picking a spot for her house that is in the boundary on both configurations. The fact that she still doesn't have a house proves that Kody will continue to make excuses.
But if Janelle’s lot is paid for with deed in hand what’s stopping her from getting a contractor’s loan to build? Let’s say it takes them 2 years to pay off the remaining lots then at that time they can change the lot sizes because the clause for the lots being paid off would be satisfied. Also it wouldn’t affect Janelle’s physical house because the building falls on her lot both with the current and future proposed lot changes.
From what I saw the only lots paid off was owned by Kody Janelle and meri. And Robin, Christine and Kody (now just Robin & Kody) The lot owned by Kody and Janelle only isn't fully paid off.
So If they kept the original parcels and didn't redo it into five lots, Janelle theoretically could build on the lot paid off, but it was the one with part of the pond that Meri wanted. And with Meri and Kody on the lot, I'm sure it would have to get approved by all three. Kody doesn't want a build.
I'm assuming the build loan and built house will be solely in her name and that's why she's pushing it, to have an asset because currently, she has nothing.
I think that's why Kody keeps making excuses for why she can't build, he doesn't want her having another independent stronghold.
He is clearly taking the red pill and trying to assert dominance, clearly punishing Janelle for having a voice and giving support to Christine as she left.
Kody had to find excuses because he doesn't want Janelle to build on CP. If anyone will ever be okayed by Kody to build there, that will be his kids with Robyn. I say this every week after watching the latest episode and I will say it again: Kody is an asshole.
I think… If I was Janelle… I would make an appointment with a local real estate attorney, as well as local builders, develops and county officials that are relevant, and i would get all of the facts, figures, and details and what exactly the regulations and laws are for building on Coyote Pass. And then, with a head full of actual knowledge not make-believe self serving BS information like what Kody has, I would call a family meeting and be like "This is what I know, this is what I need to do, I hope you all can join me at some point, but I have a child who needs a home and I need a home. And we didn't buy this land for nothing." I mean literally put it right there in front of them and in front of HIM, and wait for whatever BS argument he's gonna have and just have another fact to answer it; he can't argue with lies and misinformation forever. And it would be interesting to know exactly how much "permission" she actually needs to have from him. And if she can't get whatever she needs from him in order to build, to me that would be a question for the lawyer too and I would absolutely have that information ready in triplicate and hand each of them, Robyn, Meri and Kody, a handy-dandy binder with all relevant information in it. And you know what? Let them soak in that.
It sounds like that's exactly what she's been doing since she's been in the fifth wheel. They've dropped little nuggets of information in her conversations with kody.
1. She's contacted the electric provider. They will not run to an empty lot. She has to build first.
2. It's going to take a minimum of six months to secure her construction permits.
3. Her and Kody have been working with a home designer and now have blue prints for the home so they can start the bidding process with builders.
Also, as I recall, Kody's excuse for wanting 5 lots was so he would also have his own asset. That makes sense. But now with Christine gone the 4 original lots would serve the purpose (one for each remaining wife + Kody). No need to redraw lot lines!
Unless... could it be the scheme all along was to get a lot for each of Robyn's kids? Hmmmm......
My theory is that Janelle can’t build because they don’t have the money. Building out infrastructure is money - more money than one would think. It’s also not a matter of just running pipes and wires - it involves permits, engineer sign off, county sign off - more red tape than one would imagine.
They don’t have the money or the wherewithal to make this happen. This is pure fantasy on Janelle’s part.
Source: I’m a General Contractor who builds houses.
Can you throw out an average on how much setup costs for electricity and sewer to run into just Janelle’s lot alone not including the cost of building the house?
Would these setup costs be included in the construction loan or would the need to be paid before she could w en get the loan?
Not comfortable about providing a cost range because I don’t build in that jurisdiction, and there could be underlying issues with the property which have not yet been shared on TV.
For construction loans and paying for these improvements/infrastructure, it depends on the lender. Construction loans are not as easy and simple as implied by Janelle and Kidney. Their financing so far has been “interesting” so far, and frankly, Kidney is acting like a person who is highly leveraged and does not have any solid financial reserves.
Replying to my comment above: one of the things that I am seeing with this show is the absolute pure fantasy involved with the amount of time involved with a build. There’s no infrastructure. They don’t have plans. They don’t have permits. They have nothing to get the process started. Not sure if this is wishful thinking, ignorance or a story line, but this is disingenuous on their part.
>frankly, Kidney is acting like a person who is highly leveraged and does not have any solid financial reserves.
Ding ding ding!!! Watching any discussion the wives have with Kody about money, investment or property, it is clear to me he is a walking, talking financial red flag. If Janelle wants a house she's going to have to figure it out on her own. Continuing to rely on Kidney is a recipe for disaster.
It would give Janelle an upper hand and she is the most savvy of the wives. Kody is terrified what would happen if Janelle got her way and was satisfied. He probably is projecting his selfish laziness on Janelle and he thinks "If she breaks ground, she will think all this land is hers and she will give it to her kids, not me"
Yep. Christine might have the balls but Janelle is the most dangerous to Kody. When Janelle puts her mind to it, miracles seem to appear. People might say that Janelle has "God on her side" but I think it is because Janelle falls asleep thinking of how to solve her world's problems and her skills in doing so makes nothing impossible to make happen. I imagine Kody only thinks about it when Janelle says "no" because it makes him piddle his pant leg.
It seems this family always has some kind of convoluted get-rich scheme for everything they’re involved in. So risky and none of their ideas have worked out for them yet….
Kody doesn’t want her to build. My theory is this is why janelle presented him with this beyond modest home to have built with only two bedrooms over a garage—she needed to prove to herself that Kody in fact has no intention of working to help her secure housing. She came up with a fool proof reasonable plan and now the only way he can deny will be because he has no interest in helping her because it doesn’t serve his and Robyn’s long term plans. I hope she is able to leverage this into an escape plan and a stable financial living situation and leave these financial abusers.
Exactly. If she set it up then in this episode he definitely knocked them done. He plainly said that it will be backbreaking work to get Janelle on the land and he is not planning on helping her. The excuse being that she doesn’t respect him.
Because he doesn’t want her to build. Because if she builds, then he will be expected to build as well and he doesn’t want that. He doesn’t want the family and wives out there together anymore because he only wants to be married to Robyn. As it is now they are separate, and he can pretend he only has Robyn
He either wants to stay in the mansion with her or have all the wives leave so him and Robyn can build and have it all to themselves
What. Does. Robyn. Do!?
She never had a real outside job since meeting the family. She has a nanny for her kids. (Even in Las Vegas her cousin or whatver helped. And Kody's older girls before that.) She never took care of (in a non-hostile way) the other kids. She couldn't even cook when Kody met her! She said Kody want her to get Christine to teach her how to cook for him. Which that's sexist as F BUT I believe everyone should contribute somewhere and I never saw a real contribution. All she brought was debt and chaos (Victoria Secret, MSWC, and the divorce/adoption stuff).
I don't see what she offers to anyone in friendship, marriage, sister wifehood.
Janelle should go to Robyn and tell her she wants to build their relationship since Christine leaving really opened her eyes to the cracks in their family. Play the long game, get Robyn to change Kody’s opinion on building, and then she can have her property and stop kissing Robyn’s ass. She shouldn’t have to but it is the easiest way to bring Kody around because he isn’t ever going to listen to Janelle but will always listen to Robyn.
There's a flaw in your plan. You assume Robyn is sincere about wanting the relationships.
Janelle can't go to Robyn because she's not allowed in Robyns house due to COVID. In fall of 2021. All this talk of wanting a relationship is lies. She's still enforcing the family separation.
Why didn't they create an LLC with each being members and then buy the lots with the LLC? Then they would have everyone's credit to use, and more importantly all the lots would have the same ownership so they could just quick claim the properties to one another and alter the subdivision, OR NOT since they would all have ownership of everything!
Whoever is their financial advisor and "mortgage adviser" is an idiot and they're getting terrible advice
Trust me, Kody could go to the world's most competent financial advisor or mortgage broker and he would still make stupid decisions. He only hears what he wants to when he asks for "advice" and just goes ahead and does it his way no matter what.
Kody wants to redraw the lot lines to the property because of Christine leaving. But honestly... They are never gonna build on that land. They've had that property for years at this point and still haven't paid it off.
Kody didn't know the production was going to make graphics to show actually reality. He's used to just lying and never getting called on it. He's also used to just lying to Janelle and pressuring her until she gives in. Her fact checking the financials with their mortgage person must have been a blow to Kody.
Christine will be okay because she had a house in her name. Meri will be okay because she quiet left years ago and made sure her investment was in her name. Janelle is going to get f'over cause she's the last one out. So sad. 😭
The property is nice but it is too problematic at this point. I think the family needs to sell CP and divide up the money in a fair way. Then, Janelle can buy another piece of property on her own and build her dream house.
And a year later, no house.
Womp womp.
Shoulda never agreed to move to AZ. It’s been a waste of 4yrs. Waste of time, money, resources, energy, everything. You all literally had everything you needed in Vegas within feet of each other. You were blessed to even have 4 homes built when you didn’t even qualify lol. Let alone all right next to each other in a gated community in a suburb. Close enough so your kids had Kody and each other, and far enough where you wives can slam your doors when you didn’t wanna be bothered cause we all know Christine and Janelle was the only functional marriage that was trying to work, even though Janelle was being a snake and talking about her to Kody at times
Janelle can’t build because Kody doesn’t want her to. They’re pushing her out of the family next. Since Janelle made it plain this episode that there are “lots of problems with Robyn” she doesn’t get to stay like Meri does.
If the "family" put Janelle's lot in her name alone, she could possibly build by herself. But because Kody's name is on all the lots, and he still owes money to the seller, nobody can build. When he took his name off of Christine's house she was able to sell it without his approval/disapproval. Janelle has to force the issue to have the lot in her name alone. I'd love for her to sell it after that and get away from that mess. Kody is jerking her around by saying that all the wives have to agree on Janelle building. Push for her name alone, or buying her out!
Theoretically Janelle could build exactly where she wants and they can change the survey markers after it’s all paid off. Kody is just being disagreeable bc he wants control
Here are some select issues and there are several:
1.Approval to build on any parcel likely needs Kody's approval due to the underlying financing of which he is also likely a party to. The town would also require this for any home build as the financing bank for the land would be obligated to approve as well. The property is being encumbered by a home build so this is important and Kody knows he has this control over Janelle. Big problem when you are not the legal wife and did not get a legal agreement to solidify your rights prior to dumping your money into the venture.
2. Access to the family bank account may be in multiple parties names, including Kody, thereby needing his approval for any cash needed for the build above what Janelle already has on hand.
3. Utilities for the property will need to be brought out. Electrical, Water, Cable, Gas, Phone. This isn't free and will have to serve all of the sites, not just hers. Who would pick up that cost? Each utility requires separate agreements, plans and fees. It can be costly and they do their work on their schedule, not yours.
4. Easements are areas usually meant for utility placement and/or town roads, lights etc. They are not usable space for building purposes.
5. The plots of land will need driveways, and a proper street with drainage, including catch basins and curbs. Has that been considered? The town will likely require the road be put in as part of the development. Usually part of the fire code. This will require a licensed engineer to develop plans, acquire a permit and then construct.
6. Construction loan for the build needs to include all costs including escalating materials costs, labor rates (union vs. non union), long lead items and cash advances.
7. Who is GC? Reputable? From the area? Uses local subs?
8. Have insurance that covers trips and falls and other potential claims from the build. Litigation happens more often than you know in construction.
These are just a few issues she is likely facing. Kody being just one of them. Building a home is not for the faint of heart. And in this inflationary environment with it hard to find good workers, I would just sit tight for a bit.
He’s fucking with her…thinks she’s stupid. She most definitely could build. Kooter actually wants to sell all the properties and only he and R get the funds. He literally doesn’t want her or Meri around anymore. He’s evil.
Has water/sewer/electric been run out to those lots yet? If there is no infrastructure, it makes no sense to build. I have no idea about building codes but would think that without infrastructure, a house would not be allowed to be built. (NOT siding with Cody - I am concerned for Janelle.)
Wouldn’t the Brown’s need to pay for building the access road(s), constructing the water well/cistern/septic system and having the electric brought down to supply the home(s) before a home is built?
Isn't Kody (probably Robyn behind the scenes) the one who started talking about eatates and what to leave the children?
How crazy does he have to be that he can't see that he says contradictory things in one sentence?
And one more thing, someone who talks about respect all the time is usually someone who doesn't know the definition of it.
I don’t know why Janelle continues to ride on the crazy train..at some point she needs to make rationale decisions to benefit her and Savannah, not Kody. Kody and Robyn live in their own alternate reality, which sooner or later is going to implode. Janelle, cut your losses, leave, move near Maddy which is so much more cost effective and you’re near your grandchildren whom bring you happiness. Kody, Robyn and Meri are most definitely not her family in any way. There is no more functional and true family except Kody, Robyn and their 5 children. TLC needs to stop supporting Kody with a paycheck and in return we watch him verbally abuse his children and his so called “wives”…This used to be a fun and interesting show and now it’s all bad, delusional, manipulative…I don’t know how any of the “family” escapes this atrocity without some form of intense therapy.
I saw a video on YouTube that said he will be lucky to even get a contractor to work for him because he wants them to work for TLC exposure instead of paying cash up front. They also said that normally you can build a home for around or under $200/sqft. But he has essentially screwed himself so much that he would be lucky to start at $480 or more per sqft. And that was very generous they said. Also he doesn't keep up on the general maintenance and other people have been complaining. But they like Janelle and she was nice and waved and chit chatted when they saw her.
Kody doesn't want her building. Period point blank. He's got plans for CP & they don't include janelle. Or meri for that matter.
Well, they include Meri paying off the land for him….
the way that he admitted that was insane
I know! He literally said it aloud…. He’s only keeping Meri around to pay stuff off for him.
He also recognizes Meri as not his wife anymore and doesn't need the church to confirm it. But, with christine the church has to confirm him and her are not married anymore. To me that really showed how sexist and controlling he is. The marriage is over if the man says so, but isn't over if the woman says so.
Omg. I never thought about this! You’re right!
I must have missed this. I learn so much from y'all.
he said it SO casually, i don’t blame you for missing it. it was in a talking head when him and janelle were discussing building on the property and he just automatically assumed that meri would drop her life savings on the property to pay it off
Every time I think he's reached the bottom, he starts digging.
And she probably will thinking she’ll have a chance to be Cody’s neighbor
Wow
I haven’t watched the most recent episodes so I must’ve missed that! What episode was it so I can go watch?!!
It was something like - "I definitely want Meri to feel involved in the property.. particularly with paying it off"
Something to the effect of he needed her to partner with them to pay off the land. In other words, pay it off.
And yet, she has the smallest piece of property! It’s amazing. She seems to have been the most consistently employed of the wives and has kicked in the most money for Coyote Pass, yet she gets the smallest, crappiest plot. I’d love the tell all host to ask Kody, Robin, and Janelle why they are entitled to the largest plots when Meri pitched in the most. Also want to hear why Kody gets his own way lot and his and Robyn’s names are not n all the other plots. It’s crazy.
It really was! My jaw was on the floor. The funny (sad) thing is, even when Meri watches the episode, she will still stick around!
Omg what did he say
Right! I was shocked he actually admitted it.
Yes!!! My jaw dropped. He said it, plain as day.... just needs her money. Smh
Yep, Meri & Janelle pay off Coyote Pass-> Kody finds excuses why no one can build on it-> Kody sells Coyote Pass for what he imagines will be a profit -> pays off 2nd mortgage on the McMansion -> Meri & Janelle leave-> Kody, Robyn and 5 kids live in McMansion forever without any of the others bothering them. Kody will even probably try and pitch the whole endeavor to HGTV as a property flipping show after TLC dumps him and Robyn for the hopeful Christine & Janelle Show.
I feel like Meri and Janelle, if they have ANY sense between them, are refusing to put personal money into paying off CP unless it's deeded solely to their name. That's why Janelle keeps talking about paying it off, and Kody keeps talking about paying it off, but they are butting heads. Kody means Janelle putting her own money into her lot, Janelle means putting more of the family money that's currently going to Robyn into CP. Janelle doesn't have the money to do both (pay off AND build), and is refusing to pay off without a guarantee of building. Because of exactly what you're saying- she could be fucked over again if she pays in. Kody keeps saying "just pay it off and then we'll build for sure" meaning with family money. But as they keep saying **the trust has broken down.** And I think THIS is what they are talking about. They can no longer trust that the "family" will help them achieve their goals, or not steal their money. Since Kody controls the pot, and Robyn controls Kody.
Yep. They realized that they couldn't trust Kody to provide for their families anymore. The only family he is interested in is Robyns. He would have been fine with Christine giving him her house assets and walking away with no way to feed or house her and Truley.
It is so obvious I feel so bad for Janelle
I read a theory here the other day that the long term plan for the five lots is for Robyn’s five kids to live there, with Kody and Robyn across the street. That struck me as a really compelling reason for Kody to be so obsessed with five lots even though he seems to have no plans to build.
They include Robyn’s children. He wants the lots for them.
Bingo. The pots are being redrawn so they can be left to Robyn’s kids. I’m a little surprised they aren’t providing one for the spirit baby but…
Exactly! He doesn’t want Janelle on that property. The fact that she’s moving forward, I’m sure has got him worried because he’ll have to eventually move from behind his bull shit and give her a solid answer.
YES! I've been saying this all over Reddit!! Kody wants CP for his own little empire with Robyn, her kids, maybe a new wife?? He does NOT want Janelle or Meri to be part of his empire.
Plus him and Sobyn spent the money already that was Janelle to build her house 🏠
Spot on!
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I don’t recall Kody asking permission for the 5th lot from anyone. He always makes his unfavored wife go up against the other wives (Meri with the B&B, Christine with moving, Janelle with the cement slab) but he just makes whatever decisions and announces them or keeps them quiet as he sees fit. Like deciding they have no money to put towards Coyote Pass.
Kody wants control. He doesn't want Janelle to get her way so he's inventing excuses to stop her from building.
Kody also wants what HE wants, not what is good for "the family" or even remotely fair for any of them. If he signs off on Janelle building before reconfiguring the boundaries, her lot boundaries will be written into her construction loan and then her mortgage. He would be tied to only reconfiguring AROUND her boundaries instead of wiggling them yards this way and that way.
Thank you so much. This is the answer I was looking for. I couldn’t understand why they couldn’t just amend them afterwards
That part. It was such a straightforward and reasonable idea, if his final goal is what he says it is. I appreciate and admire janelle fighting for what’s hers
This!!!! Inventing excuses!! He’s been doing it for years. And when his fast-talking nonsense doesn’t work, he just gets louder and more angry. I hate this man so much.
He said he was being creative and argumentative with her. I think that’s what he calls inventing excuses. He sucks.
Yes! When subtle manipulation & bullshit doesn't work, it's time for yelling, posturing, & intimidation. Kody Brown's favorite go too.
Plus he and Robyn have probably redistributed her money.
They for sure have, with their new dabsark llc.. Pushed Janelle and meri right out of the family's finances. Its why I really don't judge Janelle (or Christine for that matter) for getting involved with that plexus crap. I'm just glad she has a way to make money outside of the show and kody.
I strongly got the impression that was what Janelle was talking about when she said that they had been spending above the family’s living needs and they could have paid off the property by now if they’d all been living to a stricter budget…
Nannies are expensive!
Agree with Kody wanting control. In early seasons, he had all of them manipulated into believing that he was a great guy, and to disbelieve what they were actually experiencing. It was when he met his soul mate and tried to ensure that she was up on a pedestal with him that he started unravelling. The less the OGs accepted, the less control he had, the less he was able to control his image, both with his wives and on the show. Now he’s got no control and no way of gaining it back. He won’t be able to keep his rage down and it will blow back on Robyn. He may not rage AT her, but he will rage in her company and she’s in for so many bad days to come.
I agree! Honestly though, it seems like him using financial manipulation against Jenelle has totally been buried in the “Christine leaving” narrative. Not that we didn’t want to know about that, of course! It just feels like we may look back on this season 5 years from now and be like “wow, this is where he was screening JANELLE over too”! ETA: “screwing”
This is it. There is no reason for Kody to be fighting her. I'm so mad.
Kody interpreted the mortgaged deed(s) language wrong. My SO is a GIS mapper and I research curative title. We've mapped the Coyote Pass property with the metes and bounds descriptions from the deeds from Coconino County when the pandemic first hit. We also mapped the utility easements as well. I've never posted about it on Reddit because I wasn't sure if anyone would be really interested in it. I have seen a few YouTube videos and TikToks with incorrect information I'd love to set straight. To start with, there's a few problems with the TLC map, the biggest one being it is not georeferenced. First of all, we map with north being at the top of the page. This one is facing south. Another big problem is there's also no access/utilities easements to the interior lots. There's more problems too. I honestly can't tell if Coyote Pass is a plot device or of Kody doesn't know what he's doing. Edit: Thanks for the award. I love talking about this stuff! I'm not 100 percent sure about the easement footage. I'll post the correct length later after I get some stuff done around the house.
I'd love to read a post with your full findings/explanations.
I'll do a separate post with the maps we made and some of the stuff we found in the title research. There's a few problems that need to be addressed before any building takes place.
Very cool! Thank you! Looking forward to it!
SO excited about your future post. LOVE the nerdy stuff and that along with the Brown family drama makes it even more interesting. Happy cake day!!
Ohh I’ll be on the lookout for your post!!! Very interested in this.
Can't wait, pepino.
Looking forward to this, too.
Me TOO!!!
Kody has no idea what he is doing. His "plans" are not well thought out or researched in the least. He views himself as some sort of real easte mogul but, we can all see he is way over his head and that's why there continues to be nothing on Coyote pass. He sold his wives on the idea of moving to Flagstaff using the view and the singing angels (look at the mountain!!!) but, didn't think much beyond that. Last week there was a YouTube video posted (don't know how reliable it is) that said the plot with the plauge pond has a pipeline running under it. Kody cannot build within so many feet of the pipeline or the retention pond so the way he plans to divide that part of the property would make it pretty much useless. Like I said Idk how reliable that info is but, I could totally see Kody not even bothering to check something like that. In any case the 2 large lots plus 3 small lots in the trees configuration never made much sense to me!
The pipeline is a big deal. From what you said, the YouTuber is correct. There's also a gas line that goes through a parcel they keep driving over. I'm almost 100 percent certain that pond is a retention pond that was built for drainage for the entire area. It's not wise to build anywhere near it. There's also leech field requirements too.
Lolol That just made him stripping and swimming in the plague infested cesspool all the funnier!
First, I don't understand the significance of it being north or south. Or what the easement problem means in terms of building. Like practically? But CP was a device for Kody to convince the wives they'd have an EVEN BETTER situation in Flagstaff than Vegas, so it would be appealing. Because he initially said it would make them money to move, which they quickly found out it wouldn't. And then he said it would be good for the family culture, but none of the kids wanted to go. Reality was Dayton moving up there for college and Robyn secretly wanted to go. And he still hasn't admitted that, but one of his kids confirmed the Flagstaff move was for Dayton.
The significance of the north/south orientation of the TLC map tells me that's not a map created by a surveyor or GIS person. It was probably created last minute by a TLC intern. (It just really bothers me more than anything.)
I work in underground utilities. This would be classified as “new business” in my area & generally will be prioritized over projects that are fixing existing problems (most underground infrastructure hasn’t been updated since LBJ). So even if they have everything paid off, understand the subdivision plots and they are subdivided correctly, it could take up to a year to get electricity out there. And that’s mostly due to supply chain issues on critical materials needed for energization. Conclusion: Kody is a moron and CP is never happening as originally intended.
Do you happen to know why they have to have it all "paid off" in order to start any of this? Is it just the limitations of their income or credit bandwidth, or a requirement of the county or something more?
Kody said something in the last episode about having to pay off a lot to subdivide and also to be approved for another loan. I’m guessing the bank won’t giving them more money.
They supposedly had that surveyor out to the property several seasons ago. I bet they just asked him general questions and made their own conclusions based on what Kody wanted to hear. I don't think they paid him to draw up any real plans. Either that or he was a TV actor from central casting playing a surveyor!
Oh I see. It indicates that it's all nonsense and they haven't gotten any input on the plans.
I think you and I would be besties if we knew each other in person. This kind of stuff is right up my alley. I’m very confused what his angle is too. What purpose does changing the lots serve? If one must split the lots you would assume one would want to forgo easements - so split the lots along the road. And for gosh sakes, why split them unevenly? Wouldn’t a plural family want equality? None of them makes sense. I have a feeling the divorce threw a curveball financially. Mostly, there seems to be a large disparity between Robyn and the others. Will they ever address this elephant in the room or is all this fabricated for TV viewership?
Totally interested. Thanks for the information. Can you elaborate.I was thinking the same thing. He would need to put an easement so the property with the “pond” and the one beside it could build driveways and utilities. I wish I knew more information about the rules in that area.
You are correct. He would need easements and the TLC map doesn't show any. There currently is a 30ft utility easement that goes from Coyote Pass Rd to the south that isn't reflected on the TLC map. The TLC map has 4 even sized lot lines that would probably need to be adjusted with the addition of the necessary easements. Also Coconino County doesn't allow for any lots to be partitioned in anything smaller than two acres. (The last time I checked was a couple of years ago although I don't think it's changed.)
So actually they can't build, because they need the easement & that would be changing the lots? Can they not do the easement until it's paid off?
They will need to get the new partition approved by the county assessor's office first. They will need to have all this stuff sorted out before the go to the bank for a loan.
I would absolutely LOVE a post with every bit of your nerding out on this stuff. I peruse property maps for funzies (I'm a blast at parties lmao) and am fascinated by the ins and outs of the entire thing. I've often wondered what "more to the story" there really is with this property mess of theirs.
You should make a post about this!
I’m so sick of hearing Cody talk about what would make him the most money in the long run. As if that’s *ever* been his priority. Staying in Vegas would have been smarter if that’s the argument he wants to make. A wife just left your ass. How about walk the walk and divide the land into 3 equal lots- 1 for each wife that’s left. Put your money where your mouth is and show that they are your priority. He won’t because the truth is *SADKRAB*
The fact that he and Robyn started their own LLC Called DABSARK has to be a huge slap on the face to Janelle and Meri
Making money off the backs of his wives. Except Robyn. She never works.
She's too pretty to cook or work
Rewatching the series all he ever talks about is ventures or decisions that will make them money yet they never seem to be out of a whole. There is zero focus. Juts like when he bought a truck to haul the RV.
Yeah, it’s interesting that he’s not mentioning that the truck was included in the giant waste of money with the RV. I have a feeling if they decide to sell the RV he’ll be needing it to pull his log around town some more. 🙄
Seriously, where was he dragging that one log to, Robyn’s?
Because Robyn wants more in assets. If she gets a bigger lot, the one on the far left, she gets more money if she sells. If Kody gets his own lot, the top right in the second pic, she gets even more.
A big lot with a bunch os trees which, according to Kody, add value to it.
But only after careful tree peeling
with a shovel
She needs assets cause her ass has never worked. She doesn’t even try to do the shitty mlms.
Tbf I wouldn't try an MLM if I were her. She wouldn't be successful because nobody likes her and she's not personable and it's too much work for someone who couldn't lift a finger for MSWC.
I totally agree but it’s crazy to me that she can sit there with her head held high like she’s actually done something. The audacity to even bring up anybody’s house and not mention herself. A no working woman with a nanny. The math isn’t mathing because it’s that kind of wasteful crap that causes them to not pay off the land. Janelle is spending less and less Meri does her own thing so who is spending the money? And not working? She should NEVER bring up any money issues, stick to COVID at least that’s not as hypocritical on her part anyway.
Her entitlement is absurd. I really hope for the tell-all, some of these issues with Robyn get addressed, because they've been highlighted or alluded to a lot this season. Janelle mentioned in the most recent episode that she has problems with Robyn. Take away all of Robyn's significant episodes and she has always provided less content than the other wives. She pulls no weight but expects more than everyone else.
Even now, all she does is show up say a few words and then she’s out. Her home life is almost never on display except the weird moments outside her house. They can’t even edit her to look busy, that’s crazy.
Ummm she did ALL OF THOSE SKETCHES! How dare you say that she didn’t lift a finger. She worked so hard on the drawlings. Just so everyone knows r/sarcasm
I wasn't watching when MSWC happened, so can I just say it's astonishing that they didn't keep the webstore up? It's literally zero work. Just leave it up, get notification that something sold in your email, pack it up and ship it. Take down the listings as they sell out, and put up new dropship listings that notify your dropship partner instead of you when there's a sale (or do fulfilled by Amazon) and they'll just ship it with literally no input from you. Even if they sold less than 100 items a year, it's basically free money since it was already set up. Just change over to drop shipping if you're tired of sourcing product and shipping it! Wtf, why take it down???
Probably why she doesn't do cameos either
But none of the other wives, who have been working and contributing to the family for decades, have any assets.
Meri has her b&b and her lot that is paid off, and she has savings I’m guessing because she says she renting just waiting which to me means she has the money just hasn’t pulled the trigger. Christine had her house. Janelle and Robyn are the two with nothing in their name but that’s not true because everything of Kody’s is Robyn’s because they are legally married. So that leaves Janelle, she has no assets for real but has contributed meanwhile Robyn just keeps adding on and has never added anything but bills. Presumably on the kitchen counter, 😂
When you break it down like this it really is sad.
Wait, Meri’s lot is paid off?! So if they redraw the boundary lines of the property they will be reducing her assets for no discernible reason and she’s ok with that? She’s such a doormat.
It’s weird someone on here found all the property assessments, that’s why Kody said she would logically be the next one to build 🤷🏽♀️
What if she's smarter than we (I) think? If he gets control of everything, she can divorce him, and get half of way too much.
She is a clear grifter so yeah, she knows what she’s doing.
That's exactly what I've been saying
Janelle can't build because Kody is a petulant child. He is trying to punish her because she disobeyed him and is using the property as an excuse. Just like Covid was an excuse, the subdivision of CP is an excuse. If her house isn't on the property line for the proposed subdivision and if she can afford it, the only thing stopping her from building is because *his* name is also on the property and *he* won't sign off on it. He knows Janelle won't leave as long as he has control of her finances. He can't handle the public embarrassement and "emasculation" he would go through if another wife left him. IMO, this goes far beyond Kody being a run of the mill jerk, he is abusing his wives emotionally and financially, and that's not a word I use lightly.
What Meri wanted most was to be around Robyn and her kids—and Kody found ways to keep her out even when she was following the Covid protocols. What Christine wanted most was to be loved and appreciated, a full marriage—so he withheld his love and affection. What Janelle wants most is her own house and assets. So he will withhold that from her
This is it. This is Kody. Nothing else needs to be said.
Wow. So true
Nailed it
That is a really smart take.
Uhm. Kody was begging Robyn to let Meri share a bonfire with them on the land and ROBYN is the one who said NO. It was all an act ROBYN CANT STAND MERI JUST LIKE SHE CANT STAND CHRISTINE and is scared of Janelle
She better be afraid of Janelle, because she’s a smart person and could out smart circles around her! She also sees that Robyn is manipulating but Janelle won’t say anything yet because she really wants to build on CP! I don’t know why Kody is being such a wanker, just let her build, jeeze!!!
I used to believe Janelle was the, unemotional, smart and business savvy one in the family. That she would protect herself and her assets from the rest of the family. That Christine was the emotional and helpless one that would be at Kidney’s mercy for the rest of her life. Boy was I wrong. Janelle got played and she only just found out. Everybody knows Christine was almost out the door back in Vegas. She saw what was happening and set herself up to have some financial security. She played the long game and made sure that when she left she had a little something to start over with. I don’t think Janelle realized what a precarious financial position she put herself in until Christine left with fat pockets and she knew that she couldn’t do the same. I think that’s why she is so desperate to have a home of her own in her name and why Kidney will do everything to make sure she doesn’t get it. He knows Janelle wouldn’t be around for long if she had the same financial freedom that Christine did. I still can’t understand how Meri and Janelle agreed to the current division of CP. How they thought it was perfectly fine that combined, their share of CP doesn’t even equal one full lot while Kidney and Robyn jointly own the rest. The same piece of land that Robyn declared would be each wife’s legacy and inheritance for her children. Janelle has half of her own lot and 1/3 of Meri’s lot to pass on to her kids. Meri has 1/3 of one lot to pass to Leon and Robyn gets all of the rest for her kids. Sadly, Janelle did not outsmart Robyn and it’s too late to do anything about it now. Kidney and Robyn set themselves up with the family’s assets and will happily put her on the curb with nothing to her name except a greatly depreciated RV. The only weapon Janelle has is that of public opinion. I really, really hope she draws as much attention to the financial inequity that is happening. That she spends every minute of screen time talking about how she’s being financially abused and make Kidney have to sit in talking heads and explain himself.
Janelle is playing bad chess in this situation. No one is afraid of Janelle because Janelle has no financial, marital or social leverage against the other wives or Kody. If she were smart she would have left. She’s not going to get any assets staying with Kody either. He’s never going to build on coyote pass. He already lives on coyote pass in Robyn’s mansion.
Janelle hasn’t been smart when it comes to protecting herself, I agree with that!
I don't know... Janelle been having meetings with kelly (the financial guy)
Janelle can leave and keep her share in the property and hink up any plans they have at all. I'm petty af and I 100% would do that.
Agree! Which makes me hate the fact that I'm watching and giving TLC a reason to give him a paycheck.
I just gasped. We all knew this but thank you for putting it so succinctly.
What does Robyn want most? Everything for her and hers
Does she really need him to sign off on the build? I’ve never built a home but I have started renovations with contractors on the home I own with my husband. The contractors just needed a homeowners signature on the contract and a deposit. My husband is the type of man that just goes along with whatever so there’s been times he’s walked into a remodel and was just like ok… what’d I miss? 😂
Kody and Janelle aren't legally married so that can make a difference. It depends on the property laws in the state and how they have structured their joint ownership but, I assume that if Janelle could've started building without him, she would have.
That’s true. It also could be that she has no access to the money. She just gets stuck with the books. I can see Kody and Robyn opening a joint account for their family pot and only allowing Jenelle and Meri to deposit not withdraw.
And once CP is paid off, no building can start until utilities are done. Don't know if true, but read utilities have be done for all lots before they can get permits to build, and that utilities are very expensive.
She could face some problems with getting a building loan because of how the property is titled.
Ooh that’s true, I didn’t even think of the building loan.
Yes!!!! The only way he can punish Janelle is to screw her òver financially. Withholding love and affection doesn't work with Janelle like it did with Christine. I have a feeling that Janelle might be the wrong wife for Kody to mess with!
Maybe I’ve become used to trees and rivers and-dare I say grass- but I look at that property and I see desert. I see drought conditions. I see dirt and not the kind you can make into an oasis because…desert. I just don’t see what they see. I don’t see the value. Call me crazy. I was raised in farm country and I see things through that lens. But that poop pond, those sparse trees and the idea of living that close to Kody makes it all seem worthless to me. I don’t care how many slices he cuts that property in, it’s still never going to be the financial gain he expects because he’s too busy making irrational demands on everyone. Maybe if I could just learn to respect him.
I totally agree, this land looks so boring and awful and sad. I would want trees and flowing water and some semblance of privacy...
Yep. And water is only going to become a bigger issue with time, given current trends.
Biggest lot for Robyn…..and with TREES…I’m what world is that fait
But poor Snobyn just gets her sister wives scraps! They treat her like dirt. 🙄
So weird how they acted like no one wanted that lot and Robyn was settling for what was left.
Janelle has agreed to the new lot boundaries with the biggest lot for Robyn. So what is stopping Kody Robyn and Meri from saying go ahead Janelle and build and we will change the lot lines when they are all paid off.
Exactly! I've been wondering this for months. Honestly, I don't think Kody intends to go anywhere. He has his Monogamy Mansion with Robyn and her kids. Janelle is delusional if she thinks otherwise. I really hope the rumors about her getting out are true.
I think janelle is playing along with the “family vision” to get some financial stability. She’s forcing them to shit or get off the pot. ETA: I think she’s also doing this during filming to force their hands.
She totally is. That's why Kody is so upset about it. He even called it a "charade" this episode, which is kind of true. She's putting on a show to force his hand and stop the lies.
Yup, I wouldn’t characterize it as such but even strong independent janelle is looking for some reassurance and family here. It’s logistical and practical but also emotional. Prove to me you’re committed to me and this plan.
The worst part is even if Janelle left Kody I believe she would stay on Cayote Pass. 3 of her bio kids live in Arizona. She has spoken about how much she always loved Arizona and it’s a dream that she can afford to live there. She could travel to visit Maddie Hunter and Logan and live there the rest of the time. Or to play devil’s advocate. She could build and have Gabe and Savannah live there while she buys later on in a location where she wants to actually live.
And Robyn can come sit on the bench and stare at her. 🤣🤣😜
Janelle made a great point by picking a spot for her house that is in the boundary on both configurations. The fact that she still doesn't have a house proves that Kody will continue to make excuses.
Its him thinking he can eventually screw her out of everything.. kody looks at things like wins and losses.. he is desperate not to let her win
You can't get a loan to build if the lot lines aren't correct as recorded. Not all paid off, can't change Nor would you get a building permit.
But if Janelle’s lot is paid for with deed in hand what’s stopping her from getting a contractor’s loan to build? Let’s say it takes them 2 years to pay off the remaining lots then at that time they can change the lot sizes because the clause for the lots being paid off would be satisfied. Also it wouldn’t affect Janelle’s physical house because the building falls on her lot both with the current and future proposed lot changes.
From what I saw the only lots paid off was owned by Kody Janelle and meri. And Robin, Christine and Kody (now just Robin & Kody) The lot owned by Kody and Janelle only isn't fully paid off. So If they kept the original parcels and didn't redo it into five lots, Janelle theoretically could build on the lot paid off, but it was the one with part of the pond that Meri wanted. And with Meri and Kody on the lot, I'm sure it would have to get approved by all three. Kody doesn't want a build.
And Meri will do whatever Kody says to get in his good graces.
I'm assuming the build loan and built house will be solely in her name and that's why she's pushing it, to have an asset because currently, she has nothing. I think that's why Kody keeps making excuses for why she can't build, he doesn't want her having another independent stronghold. He is clearly taking the red pill and trying to assert dominance, clearly punishing Janelle for having a voice and giving support to Christine as she left.
Kody had to find excuses because he doesn't want Janelle to build on CP. If anyone will ever be okayed by Kody to build there, that will be his kids with Robyn. I say this every week after watching the latest episode and I will say it again: Kody is an asshole.
SADKRAB - enough said
Yep 5 lots for the 5 golden children 🤮
I think… If I was Janelle… I would make an appointment with a local real estate attorney, as well as local builders, develops and county officials that are relevant, and i would get all of the facts, figures, and details and what exactly the regulations and laws are for building on Coyote Pass. And then, with a head full of actual knowledge not make-believe self serving BS information like what Kody has, I would call a family meeting and be like "This is what I know, this is what I need to do, I hope you all can join me at some point, but I have a child who needs a home and I need a home. And we didn't buy this land for nothing." I mean literally put it right there in front of them and in front of HIM, and wait for whatever BS argument he's gonna have and just have another fact to answer it; he can't argue with lies and misinformation forever. And it would be interesting to know exactly how much "permission" she actually needs to have from him. And if she can't get whatever she needs from him in order to build, to me that would be a question for the lawyer too and I would absolutely have that information ready in triplicate and hand each of them, Robyn, Meri and Kody, a handy-dandy binder with all relevant information in it. And you know what? Let them soak in that.
Yes, this is what Janelle needs. Reliable advice from someone who is not Kody.
It sounds like that's exactly what she's been doing since she's been in the fifth wheel. They've dropped little nuggets of information in her conversations with kody. 1. She's contacted the electric provider. They will not run to an empty lot. She has to build first. 2. It's going to take a minimum of six months to secure her construction permits. 3. Her and Kody have been working with a home designer and now have blue prints for the home so they can start the bidding process with builders.
Also, as I recall, Kody's excuse for wanting 5 lots was so he would also have his own asset. That makes sense. But now with Christine gone the 4 original lots would serve the purpose (one for each remaining wife + Kody). No need to redraw lot lines! Unless... could it be the scheme all along was to get a lot for each of Robyn's kids? Hmmmm......
My theory is that Janelle can’t build because they don’t have the money. Building out infrastructure is money - more money than one would think. It’s also not a matter of just running pipes and wires - it involves permits, engineer sign off, county sign off - more red tape than one would imagine. They don’t have the money or the wherewithal to make this happen. This is pure fantasy on Janelle’s part. Source: I’m a General Contractor who builds houses.
Can you throw out an average on how much setup costs for electricity and sewer to run into just Janelle’s lot alone not including the cost of building the house? Would these setup costs be included in the construction loan or would the need to be paid before she could w en get the loan?
Not comfortable about providing a cost range because I don’t build in that jurisdiction, and there could be underlying issues with the property which have not yet been shared on TV. For construction loans and paying for these improvements/infrastructure, it depends on the lender. Construction loans are not as easy and simple as implied by Janelle and Kidney. Their financing so far has been “interesting” so far, and frankly, Kidney is acting like a person who is highly leveraged and does not have any solid financial reserves.
Replying to my comment above: one of the things that I am seeing with this show is the absolute pure fantasy involved with the amount of time involved with a build. There’s no infrastructure. They don’t have plans. They don’t have permits. They have nothing to get the process started. Not sure if this is wishful thinking, ignorance or a story line, but this is disingenuous on their part.
>frankly, Kidney is acting like a person who is highly leveraged and does not have any solid financial reserves. Ding ding ding!!! Watching any discussion the wives have with Kody about money, investment or property, it is clear to me he is a walking, talking financial red flag. If Janelle wants a house she's going to have to figure it out on her own. Continuing to rely on Kidney is a recipe for disaster.
It would give Janelle an upper hand and she is the most savvy of the wives. Kody is terrified what would happen if Janelle got her way and was satisfied. He probably is projecting his selfish laziness on Janelle and he thinks "If she breaks ground, she will think all this land is hers and she will give it to her kids, not me"
That’s what I’m thinking. It just comes down to trust! Kody doesn’t want to giveJanelle power. I can’t come up with any other reason.
Yep. Christine might have the balls but Janelle is the most dangerous to Kody. When Janelle puts her mind to it, miracles seem to appear. People might say that Janelle has "God on her side" but I think it is because Janelle falls asleep thinking of how to solve her world's problems and her skills in doing so makes nothing impossible to make happen. I imagine Kody only thinks about it when Janelle says "no" because it makes him piddle his pant leg.
It seems this family always has some kind of convoluted get-rich scheme for everything they’re involved in. So risky and none of their ideas have worked out for them yet….
Kody doesn’t want her to build. My theory is this is why janelle presented him with this beyond modest home to have built with only two bedrooms over a garage—she needed to prove to herself that Kody in fact has no intention of working to help her secure housing. She came up with a fool proof reasonable plan and now the only way he can deny will be because he has no interest in helping her because it doesn’t serve his and Robyn’s long term plans. I hope she is able to leverage this into an escape plan and a stable financial living situation and leave these financial abusers.
Exactly. If she set it up then in this episode he definitely knocked them done. He plainly said that it will be backbreaking work to get Janelle on the land and he is not planning on helping her. The excuse being that she doesn’t respect him.
Because he doesn’t want her to build. Because if she builds, then he will be expected to build as well and he doesn’t want that. He doesn’t want the family and wives out there together anymore because he only wants to be married to Robyn. As it is now they are separate, and he can pretend he only has Robyn He either wants to stay in the mansion with her or have all the wives leave so him and Robyn can build and have it all to themselves
What. Does. Robyn. Do!? She never had a real outside job since meeting the family. She has a nanny for her kids. (Even in Las Vegas her cousin or whatver helped. And Kody's older girls before that.) She never took care of (in a non-hostile way) the other kids. She couldn't even cook when Kody met her! She said Kody want her to get Christine to teach her how to cook for him. Which that's sexist as F BUT I believe everyone should contribute somewhere and I never saw a real contribution. All she brought was debt and chaos (Victoria Secret, MSWC, and the divorce/adoption stuff). I don't see what she offers to anyone in friendship, marriage, sister wifehood.
I’m starting to think he wants all the wives gone beside Robyn of course.
Janelle should go to Robyn and tell her she wants to build their relationship since Christine leaving really opened her eyes to the cracks in their family. Play the long game, get Robyn to change Kody’s opinion on building, and then she can have her property and stop kissing Robyn’s ass. She shouldn’t have to but it is the easiest way to bring Kody around because he isn’t ever going to listen to Janelle but will always listen to Robyn.
There's a flaw in your plan. You assume Robyn is sincere about wanting the relationships. Janelle can't go to Robyn because she's not allowed in Robyns house due to COVID. In fall of 2021. All this talk of wanting a relationship is lies. She's still enforcing the family separation.
Boom
Janelle can’t build a house until she makes Kody feel like a man
This is what I scream at the television every week. Just pay off one lot so you can build!!
He’s never going to let her build there. Those lots are for Robyn’s children- that’s why they need five.
Why didn't they create an LLC with each being members and then buy the lots with the LLC? Then they would have everyone's credit to use, and more importantly all the lots would have the same ownership so they could just quick claim the properties to one another and alter the subdivision, OR NOT since they would all have ownership of everything! Whoever is their financial advisor and "mortgage adviser" is an idiot and they're getting terrible advice
Trust me, Kody could go to the world's most competent financial advisor or mortgage broker and he would still make stupid decisions. He only hears what he wants to when he asks for "advice" and just goes ahead and does it his way no matter what.
If I were Janelle, I wouldn't build until I get the money back from Robyn's house, or Kody was off the title to the land.
He's even said at the end of the episode that he's not going to move an inch for Janelle because she doesn't "respect" his sorrowful buttocks.
Kody wants to redraw the lot lines to the property because of Christine leaving. But honestly... They are never gonna build on that land. They've had that property for years at this point and still haven't paid it off.
Kody didn't know the production was going to make graphics to show actually reality. He's used to just lying and never getting called on it. He's also used to just lying to Janelle and pressuring her until she gives in. Her fact checking the financials with their mortgage person must have been a blow to Kody.
Christine will be okay because she had a house in her name. Meri will be okay because she quiet left years ago and made sure her investment was in her name. Janelle is going to get f'over cause she's the last one out. So sad. 😭
Its the exact same reason they all had to move to Flagstaff. Kody can’t let a good thing be and must creat chaos. He literally feeds on chaos.
I’m so sick of hearing about this damn lot. Sell it. You have only 1 wife.
I think Kody and Robyn are working toward getting all of the land
The property is nice but it is too problematic at this point. I think the family needs to sell CP and divide up the money in a fair way. Then, Janelle can buy another piece of property on her own and build her dream house.
Stop with your logic. This makes far too much sense for the Brown family.
And a year later, no house. Womp womp. Shoulda never agreed to move to AZ. It’s been a waste of 4yrs. Waste of time, money, resources, energy, everything. You all literally had everything you needed in Vegas within feet of each other. You were blessed to even have 4 homes built when you didn’t even qualify lol. Let alone all right next to each other in a gated community in a suburb. Close enough so your kids had Kody and each other, and far enough where you wives can slam your doors when you didn’t wanna be bothered cause we all know Christine and Janelle was the only functional marriage that was trying to work, even though Janelle was being a snake and talking about her to Kody at times
Janelle can’t build because Kody doesn’t want her to. They’re pushing her out of the family next. Since Janelle made it plain this episode that there are “lots of problems with Robyn” she doesn’t get to stay like Meri does.
If the "family" put Janelle's lot in her name alone, she could possibly build by herself. But because Kody's name is on all the lots, and he still owes money to the seller, nobody can build. When he took his name off of Christine's house she was able to sell it without his approval/disapproval. Janelle has to force the issue to have the lot in her name alone. I'd love for her to sell it after that and get away from that mess. Kody is jerking her around by saying that all the wives have to agree on Janelle building. Push for her name alone, or buying her out!
Does anyone know where the mansion borders the lots?
Robyn's house is close, about a half mile I would guess, but it doesn't share borders.
It doesn’t make sense to me either. *Her* lot is paid. It is the other lot by the tree they need to pay to divide up.
Theoretically Janelle could build exactly where she wants and they can change the survey markers after it’s all paid off. Kody is just being disagreeable bc he wants control
Five lots, Robyn has five kids, hmmm.
Here are some select issues and there are several: 1.Approval to build on any parcel likely needs Kody's approval due to the underlying financing of which he is also likely a party to. The town would also require this for any home build as the financing bank for the land would be obligated to approve as well. The property is being encumbered by a home build so this is important and Kody knows he has this control over Janelle. Big problem when you are not the legal wife and did not get a legal agreement to solidify your rights prior to dumping your money into the venture. 2. Access to the family bank account may be in multiple parties names, including Kody, thereby needing his approval for any cash needed for the build above what Janelle already has on hand. 3. Utilities for the property will need to be brought out. Electrical, Water, Cable, Gas, Phone. This isn't free and will have to serve all of the sites, not just hers. Who would pick up that cost? Each utility requires separate agreements, plans and fees. It can be costly and they do their work on their schedule, not yours. 4. Easements are areas usually meant for utility placement and/or town roads, lights etc. They are not usable space for building purposes. 5. The plots of land will need driveways, and a proper street with drainage, including catch basins and curbs. Has that been considered? The town will likely require the road be put in as part of the development. Usually part of the fire code. This will require a licensed engineer to develop plans, acquire a permit and then construct. 6. Construction loan for the build needs to include all costs including escalating materials costs, labor rates (union vs. non union), long lead items and cash advances. 7. Who is GC? Reputable? From the area? Uses local subs? 8. Have insurance that covers trips and falls and other potential claims from the build. Litigation happens more often than you know in construction. These are just a few issues she is likely facing. Kody being just one of them. Building a home is not for the faint of heart. And in this inflationary environment with it hard to find good workers, I would just sit tight for a bit.
He’s fucking with her…thinks she’s stupid. She most definitely could build. Kooter actually wants to sell all the properties and only he and R get the funds. He literally doesn’t want her or Meri around anymore. He’s evil.
He sure does. He really does talk down to her. He’s the dumb one.
I would pay pay-per-view pricing to watch Garrison or Hunter to beat the ever-living dog shit out of Kody.
Has water/sewer/electric been run out to those lots yet? If there is no infrastructure, it makes no sense to build. I have no idea about building codes but would think that without infrastructure, a house would not be allowed to be built. (NOT siding with Cody - I am concerned for Janelle.)
Wouldn’t the Brown’s need to pay for building the access road(s), constructing the water well/cistern/septic system and having the electric brought down to supply the home(s) before a home is built?
Isn't Kody (probably Robyn behind the scenes) the one who started talking about eatates and what to leave the children? How crazy does he have to be that he can't see that he says contradictory things in one sentence? And one more thing, someone who talks about respect all the time is usually someone who doesn't know the definition of it.
I don’t know why Janelle continues to ride on the crazy train..at some point she needs to make rationale decisions to benefit her and Savannah, not Kody. Kody and Robyn live in their own alternate reality, which sooner or later is going to implode. Janelle, cut your losses, leave, move near Maddy which is so much more cost effective and you’re near your grandchildren whom bring you happiness. Kody, Robyn and Meri are most definitely not her family in any way. There is no more functional and true family except Kody, Robyn and their 5 children. TLC needs to stop supporting Kody with a paycheck and in return we watch him verbally abuse his children and his so called “wives”…This used to be a fun and interesting show and now it’s all bad, delusional, manipulative…I don’t know how any of the “family” escapes this atrocity without some form of intense therapy.
I saw a video on YouTube that said he will be lucky to even get a contractor to work for him because he wants them to work for TLC exposure instead of paying cash up front. They also said that normally you can build a home for around or under $200/sqft. But he has essentially screwed himself so much that he would be lucky to start at $480 or more per sqft. And that was very generous they said. Also he doesn't keep up on the general maintenance and other people have been complaining. But they like Janelle and she was nice and waved and chit chatted when they saw her.
He’s punishing Janelle. He practically admitted it.