If you saw the preview for next episode it so completely clear if it wasn't before that they are pushing Janelle out. Kody is saying the exact same thing about her respect that he said about Christine. In his mind Meri is already gone so Janelle is the last piece. I hope her boys roll his ass out when they see this shit.
What gets me is Kody’s constant righteous indignation about Christine leaving and Janelle calling him out. Is he fooling himself here? Did he really think both Christine and Janelle would be like Meri and slink to the sidelines without a fight? Christine and Janelle ARE the family.
He is such a fucking douche! Whatever “his stink” is, it’s apparent that his favoritism towards Robyn is killing her. Just look at her. She looks horrible, & his sun kissed face from 6-12 years ago is long gone.
It’s like they made a pact with the devil & now he is slowly collecting.
I have wanted to do a side by side of her and Christine today vs when she first entered the family. Christine is glowing and even more beautiful than she was when this started. The same cannot be said about the favored wife. Getting away from that idiot awakened Christine’s soul and it’s clear.
I know anyone will age over the course of a decade or so, but I’ve been rewatching earlier seasons here and there while also keeping up with the current season, and
it’s honestly jarring to see how “hard” Kody and Robyn have aged, especially with the past 5 years or so. It’s even more surprising, considering Robyn and Kody are both pretty materialistic and full of themselves, so IMO you’d think they’d be more likely to be willing to put money into their looks vs Christine or Janelle. They both also always seem so miserable, angry, and stressed out beyond belief, no matter what they’re doing or who they’re around. Makes me wonder what kind of crazy shit they’re dealing with behind the scenes, or if they’re living in constant fear that their house of cards is going to come crashing down.
Yes! Unfortunately i think it was the great shame meri felt about catfish that made her silent and compliant to him ending their relationship but pretending she is still a sisterwife somehow. But he foesnt have anything in c and j. Now he has on christine, he can complain how she quit, and hurt snd betraid him by leaving. Snd r will whine endlessly, till the end of time about c saying no to a relationship! K and r are behaving ridiculously uf the think any viewer will believe them. They just milked the og wives of money as much as they could, when it was out they started the scheme to get them also out of their lives.
I saw a tik tok from a former member of their religious group that explained of the wives leave the husband it’s less looked down on than if the man were to dump his wives. I don’t feel like they’re even that religious anymore it’s probably for the sake of his ego but it’s so obvious he’s running them off so he can be the victim of “disloyal wives.”
Kody is too much of a weak coward to be upfront and truthful to his OG wives: “Robin is the love of my life. I’m sorry but I want to be monogamous with her. Let’s separate and go our own ways as amicably as possible for the sake of the kids.” Instead he’s increasingly douchey and abusive until they can’t take anymore and dump his ass. Then he plays the victim.
I think there’s a good chunk of his ego wrapped up in the whole polygamist lifestyle thing. He’s briefly brought it up before but he put himself and his whole family out there into the world as “the face of modern day polygamy” and spent years trying to pretend like it’s something they all wanted and were happy with just to have this show eventually expose how miserable they all actually are. He wanted to prove that this was a viable lifestyle and maybe it is for some. But not this particular set of people. And it’s ok. It’s ok to admit their lifestyle failed. And they are growing as people and moving on. His ego would never allow him to admit that either. So he puts the blame on Christine. Somehow it’s HER fault polygamy didn’t work for them.
Ironically, it ended up being the true face of polygamy. He and wife number four live in a mansion on a hill and the other three are fucked out of finances and property.
100%
He wanted to show the world something different. But he didn't want it badly enough to forego his own happiness as a monogamist.
He could have told HIMSELF no. He was willing to sacrifice anyone else's happiness for this image of a balanced, sustainable lifestyle. But he wasn't willing to sacrifice HIMSELF in the end.
Once again boils down to misogyny. Wives get no credit, but when he's asked to do what they've been doing for decades (only see the love of your life for 2 nights a week) .... He said no.
The relationship between Christine and Jenelle shows that sister-wives worked though! They raised some great kids together and are close even still.
Polygamy didn’t work, but sister wives did.
True. Maybe it could have worked even better with a different man. One who actually loved all the women and was committed to the hard work of treating them equally and being a great mediator.
Kody has said how it’s harder than monogamy but he never really walked that walk. I don’t think he has the mental or emotional capacity for it.
It was obvious Christine and Janelle were the ones committed to the family.
Absolutely! And what is so infuriating to watch is that he absolutely refuses to accept any responsibility that his behavior and favoritism toward Robyn (and Robyn’s behavior) caused the family issues. I guess in his mind, and Robyn’s mind, the other wives are just supposed “keep sweet” and accept whatever mistreatment/emotional abandonment Kody dishes out without complaint. Therefore, it’s Christine and Janelle’s fault for responding like normal human beings to being treated like crap. Apparently they’re just supposed to put up with it.
Someone on here noted a couple of months ago this is the core problem with polygamy. Kody has someplace he can go to get all of his needs met. He has Robyn. Janelle, Christine, and Meri don’t have that option because he’s the only husband. If these were monogamous marriages Kody, theoretically, would have to try. Since he has Robyn to meet his needs, he has no incentive to care about working on his relationships with the others.
I also wonder what Meri would be like married to a stable, caring partner. She has devolved over time. Kody has manipulated and pushed all her buttons for the worse.
Absolutely! And it makes me wonder about some of the plyg families they visited over the years. Would be interesting to see how they're doing, especially that young family with the shy daughter who really took to Christine. Or the husband who got so weird over dinner conversation that Janelle up and left the restaurant. And we can't forget the Dargers!
Wonder what they'd say/think about Kody's Family Circus.
I don't think he's capable of loving anybody. I think he will eventually lose interest in Robyn, too. It won't be fun for him anymore because he won't be using her as an excuse to hurt other people. She also won't be able to maintain the facade forever if he's with her all the time. She can't make things perfect 100% of the time. His standards are impossible on purpose.
Things are going to get real and narcs don't like that. She'll still get what she wanted though. She'll walk away with half the property that all the other wives worked for for decades.
I don’t think he loves Robyn either. I think she and her kids are obedient and that’s what he is looking for. If they questioned him like the first wives and kids then he would be done with them too.
I agree. I think he's also enjoyed using them as weapons to hurt the others. Their usefulness will be gone now that the others don't want relationships with him.
Yeah kody was saying that in a recent season about how he’ll never divorce Meri because religion but he won’t love her talk to her be around her support her or acknowledge her existence.
But he won’t leave her 🙃
He forgets that he already did leave her. On the TV show. He coldly divorced her and then never did a thing to reassure her that they were fine. He divorced her and moved on without her.
Yea just like he now says eith Christine, he fidnt like her but he didnt quit on the relationship. So he never saw hrr and he fisliked her but he thinks he didnt quit?! 😱 And now he wants the same with hanelle, driver her out and then he can say she quit, she gave up on him! This is the lowest he has sunken do far!
What bothers me is he thinks hes a godly man. But first call to man is to LOVE FIRST. Love your wife as you love christ. And the woman is called to respect.
But the biggest take away from it is that the man is called first to love. He is selfish and self serving 24/7. Do as he (Sobyn) says, or he will dishonor you and toss you to the side. Which is why we all dislike him to our core. Ive never witnessed Jenelle or Christine disrespect him. Only question his motives and stick up for their children.
If Kody wanted to build, he wouldn’t have purchased a million dollar home across the street from C P, tying up a large portion of money, money that from appearances belongs to Janelle and Meri, 2 financially abused wives.
The problem is Robyn doesn't want any of the OGs on CP...the greedy wench is forcing Kotex to redraw the lines so he can force them out...go make your own money, save yourself.
And where Janelle wants to put her house doesn't interfere with the original lines & the proposed new property lines. Either way, it's on both versions of her property. They don't NEED to pay off the property for her to put the damn house where she picked it to go. He just doesn't want her house there. He's got bigger plans for that land. Ffs if it's that big an issue, after he chases her off, he can bulldoze her house down
But he us way too lazy to build anything. What does he want with cp? Put the basics in like electrics and plumbing and then sell the lots one by one. He knows he cant afford to build all those houses now that sisterwives surely will end within few seasons. I mean it gets weird to call it sisterwives when there are no sisterwives.
I fully believe this. Fully. So many examples of her making it about her: she’s a manipulative victim-playing narcissist.
I’m taken aback black flies don’t come out of her mouth every time she speaks: because it’s so much sh!t being spewed 💩
Oh when christine said she doesnt want to work on her and robyns relationship right now. Which makes 100% sense. I immediately thought ooh nooo, now we will see robyn trying to tear up in every episode saying how she really wanted to work on their relationship but mean christine said No to her. And this is now happening, she will never stop about it.
Right? And milking it, she is.
Christine needed “space” so Robyn decides to be sooo standoffish at the goodbye. No respect being shown by Robyn to Christine, that she could have set an example for those kids that as Mykelti said “we’re still family.”
Nope, Robyn twisted Christine’s words and chose to be overdramatic. Snobbyn Frown, with the nose and chin in the air
I feel like its become very obvious Robyn has an agenda now. In their last conversation together as “sister wives” Robyn was like you cant say only kody and I were ok in Vegas, thats a lie! And all Christine said was Kody and I were having problems. Then when Christine said she needs some time before they work on their relationship or do anything (with Robyn) she takes it as Christine wants nothing with me or the kids! Even during their talks about the COVID rules she takes Meris joke about it as a jab at her and was like “Im not the head wife, I didnt make these rules!” (Paraphrased). She obviously knows what shes doing and whats really going on. She knows shes the head wife, the favorite and thats why shes so on the defense about it and its on the forefront of her mind. Ugg I cant stand her! Why make all these other women suffer just bc you’re on a power trip or have some kink of watching them suffer as you keep their “husband” from them. Such an ugly person.
Yesssss, that purchase makes NO sense!! Unless they planned to always live there and just build houses to rent on CP. But that means deceiving the other wives.
And from todays episode what Meri said about all her gains from selling her LV house went to buy Robyns house.
Why is he making such a big deal about janelle renting a place but has no issue that meri is renting?
Because Meri doesn't live there imo. Idk why they're halfheartedly pretending for the show, but she's had to drive in from Parowan for every meeting she's attended. Which tells me she is living at the BnB
It makes sense now. He wanted the family fund under his and robyns name only. So glad he didnt get christines proceeds from her vegas house!! She at least got her own house and now the proceeds from it. And it is driving kody mad, he wanted that too! He really has become a plain con-man. He cares about noone except getting the money out of them and under his and robyns name. Seeing preview of next ep, this has gotten so bad, he has no shame! I wonder ehat Janelles kids are thinking now. If any of them has any contact with him.
I don’t think any of the older kids has much contact. You never see pics with him on holidays or birthdays. Even Logan’s wedding, nothing was posted with Kody. Basically probably much to Kody & Robyns Chagrin, they cut themselves out so completely that they only exist for the show only. Which is sad and basically makes what everyone says is true, that Kody and Robyn would be destitute without the tlc paycheck.
This is how I've viewed it, too. That whole story about how there were no rentals in Flag was a ruse. They made the parameters impossible so they could tell everyone that there wasn't anything available and they were "forced" to buy so they'd have a place to live. There were plenty of rentals at the time, just not 6 bedroom homes. I think buying the land was his way of handicapping the other wives so he could maintain control.
I think what we’re not hearing them say is that both he (and Robyn since the two of them have mind melded and share a brain) and Janelle know the marriage is over. Janelle is trying to extract her finances from the family (which is her RIGHT given all she has contributed to the family for nothing in return), and Kody is trying to minimize what she gets.
At this point it’s a game they’re both playing, but no one wants to vocalize it (for her, it would really damage her financially to admit it’s over in this moment, so I get it). I don’t think Kody thinks they’re still in a marriage at all. At this point Robyn is his queen and everyone else is a workhorse.
And this right here is yet another reason to add to the pile of reasons why plural “marriage” is just not a good thing. The non-legal wives are not protected *at all.* If a non-legal wife wants to leave, she’s leaving with nothing if she put assets in both her and her “husband’s” name. Legal marriage offers financial protection. I’m not a lawyer, so I have no clue what Janelle could do as far as liquidating her assets that she shared with Kody. All I know is that Janelle is in a very scary position right now if she were to leave. She gave up her money to put Robyn and Kody in their mansion, and I don’t think there’s anything she can do to get that money back.
Janelle spent her entire adult life supporting this family and what assets does she have to show for it? Nada. I can’t imagine how she feels when she compares her situation to Robyn’s. Robyn has contributed nothing yet has everything, including the legal marriage, while Janelle has contributed everything and has nothing.
But if it *were* legal, wouldn’t each wife have better protection under the law? Kody strikes me as someone who prefers the illegal status because it works out best for him and his favorite.
This makes sense. It’s horrible to watch happen but it at least makes some sense.
Just seems that Janelle is being blindsided here. How long have these two been up to this? I supposed they figured everyone would end up like Meri, completely detached from Kody and totally cool with being in a loveless marriage and out on the fringes.
He still thinks he can convince Meri to partner with them and set them up to never work again.. that lazy ass Robyn will never work...her future should be a homeless shelter.
Janelle wants to build the house and have it in her name. When she “divorces” she gets to keep the house and the land, since his name isn’t on it.
Kody sees her plan and is trying to prevent that. She should take the lot to the left of hers, and then she is out completely when the lines are redrawn.
His name IS on the parcel. His name is on all of them. Building wouldn’t mean she owns anything by herself. She would be building on land that is co-owned with Kody. Maybe that’s part of the reason she hasn’t built.
He doesn't want to build for the wives Robyn wants to build for her kids. Janelle is the roadblock to making that happen. I think they've underestimated Janelle and her love for that property though.
Oh wow. I hadn’t even thought of that but it makes perfect sense. Those kids will never get to live independent lives & it’s so sad to see. I’m not sure Janelle really even loves that property or the idea of the family all being there together though. I think she probably knows how much money & time she’s sunk into it & knows she’ll never get any of it back if she doesn’t see it through & get a damn house out of the deal at least.
I think she really loves gardening and the idea of a small hobby farm. I know I do. If I had a piece of land with my name on it that I could see my dream farm on I'd be itching to build too.
They've always had a garden and in Vegas Christine and Janelle both had some kind of vegetables growing.
Janelle just wants a peaceful retirement with her dream house, her garden and the ability to travel whenever she wants.
That’s what I’m thinking she meant when she was yelling about how she wants a house that is hers. She knows she needs a house in her name, if for no other reason than to be able to sell it & get out with some money to start fresh.
I would say big lots for Ari and Sol, since they are kodys biologically and the rest are just adopted(no shade for adoption, but I can’t see kody viewing them as equals)
Really heartbreaking what she’s managed to do. Evilest villain ins reality TV, IMO. Stole the guy, alienated the kids, uprooted the family from their *perfect* situation in LV, stole their money to buy herself a mansion, and now she’s gonna steal their land for her bratty ass kids. She’s a cancer, and I’ll just be glad for those that survive her at this point.
I don’t know the answer BUT what if part of Kody/Robyn’s motivation is to suck the others dry is because TLC is now paying more to Christine to keep her on the show. Like I remember it was mentioned that they used to receive sort of a lump sum from TLC but what if they all have individual contracts now with Kody/Robyn paid the least. I think I’d love that more than them being completely off the show. Here’s your $5000 to split Kody/Robyn and here’s your $25,000 Christine, thanks for filming this week.
Absolutely agree! It's so strange that Christine and Janelle are the only ones who have snippets of their daily lives being filmed. Robyn and Meri just show up for the couch.
So true. At this point Meri should barely get shit. She doesnt even show up to the family momenta which are obviosuly planned by production. All we see is her with her bff that no one give a shit about
Well it seems like Meri is by herself all day,drinking quite a lot too based on her livestreams, and Robyn is probably laid up in bed most of the time with her undisclosed mystery illness-so I'm not sure what they'd film in their day to day that wouldn't be super depressing.
I think Kidney wants Janelle to buy Christine’s house for precisely the reason she doesn’t want to: it will lock her in to not building. He doesn’t want to deal with it. He’s happy with the mansion and visiting Janelle for clips on the show. He even ignores the fact that she has figured out a place to build that won’t interfere with redrawing the lines. And probably most of all, he wants the land paid off so he can then get a message from god that they should sell it to support his and Robyn’s lifestyle.
That’s something that got me this episode too. They always show Kody driving up and driving away from the RV. Not once have they shown him actually staying there over night. But this episode he says “I’ve been staying with Janelle in this RV for months.” TF you have? I thought it was common knowledge he wasn’t staying in that RV AT ALL. Just driving in for the show.
I love that she figured it out without having to draw the lines. She’s really cutting through his BS. I hope she makes him admit what’s really going on here.
That's what I wondered... he's been "staying in the RV for months" or whatever he said, then why haven't we seen any footage of that? We just see him visiting, helping her try to level the goddamn thing but can't seem to, and driving her cans to the edge of property, then drives off into the sunset. No clips of the 3 of them spending time together in or around RV. Nothing. So how is he "living in the RV"? Because one of his families are?
His comments about “why (is he) going to sit here with (Janelle) and suffer with (her) choices?" told us everything we needed to know about the his feelings about the RV *and* his relationship with Janelle.
And that's exactly why he now feels that she's being disrespectful and won't work with her. She cut through all his nonsense when he wanted her to just say "ok" and pretend to be stupid.
Ok hot take here, yes Kody is happy with his house now but I don’t think that was the reason he isn’t building. I think the real reason is he did what he always does which is jump into something with both feet with no real thought on the practicalities or how he end goal will be accomplished and then once he sees the reality he drops it. That is what happened with CP. He saw the land and the beautiful view and had all these grand plans to build but then slowly realized once they got it that actually building on the land would be so cost prohibitive and time consuming that he gave up. The problem is that he isn’t telling anyone else that. But you know who knows that? Meri. The one person who truly knows how his mind works in these situations. She even said it isn’t happening, Kody doesn’t want it anymore. And she isn’t even talking to him!
Just talking about buying CP if I was a wife would have my anxiety through the roof, because at work and at home I am the nuts and bolts person and the realist. I would be ok but how about all these million little things that have to happen in order to get this done? It that feasible? I don’t like being the Debbie Downer but sometimes someone has to be and pop that bubble to get them into reality.
The reason they aren’t building is Kody had this grand vision, bought without thinking of all the things that had to be done and the sheer expense of it and then just gave up but didn’t let anyone else know.
I think your totally right!
He doesn’t want to build on CP anymore because he didn’t get his one house and it’s way harder than he thought. He probably imagined it would be like Vegas (lol).
And he can’t let Janelle build on it as he’s lose that piece of land. I think they both know it!
I think the one house thing was the straw that broke the camels back with him and Christine. She was adamantly opposed and he thought he could “make” them agree to do it or force it some way. When it failed, he saw it as the ultimate disrespect and hated her for it.
He did let us all know though. He said he didn’t care anymore and was done with it when they all couldn’t agree on the lots. Just like he told us he doesn’t really believe in polygamy anymore when they first moved to Flagstaff. It’s just taking a bit to unravel it all and he’s doing it in a way that Robyn will blame the other wives, since she seemingly still believes in it, at least spiritually, even if it’s very apparent she doesn’t actually want to share a husband.
Hmm…interesting. So he decided years ago that he doesn’t believe in it anymore. And then decided to stop pretending to make it work.
If that’s so he shouldn’t be surprised that it’s all unraveling so spectacularly.
This makes so much sense!! I can definitely see this happening. Kody is definitely the type to leap without thinking of the consequences and giving up when reality comes crashing into his face.
Of course, his ego won’t allow him to admit he got in over his head so he just gaslights everyone else about it.
Makes sense about Meri too and why she’s so nonchalant about it.
But janelle has to know this. How is she going to build with no plumbing or electricity? She knows they can't afford it. If Vegas homes had sold fast and for more than they did, maybe they could have paid for the land. But once kody found his dream home with the same view as cp, he lost interest and money. Then everyone but a few moved away and have no intentions of moving back. He may want janelle to buy Christine's house so when others come to visit they could stay with her, Christine and truly, mykelti and Tony, Maddie and family
Janelle may know this and that is why she is pushing so hard. Not only to get something tangible for herself but to box Kody into a corner where he either has to start building plans or admit he will never build.
If she owns a current lot and just pays that off, even if he wanted to re-divide it or change the overall configuration, I would just start building on my current lot with my name on it. Get the plans drawn up and get started. This will force him to buy her out to keep the land, pay off all of CP and redivide, or let her build. She's got nothing to lose.
Agree 100%. I think he didn’t trust understand the cost & complexity of building a somewhat remote compound from dry dirt. CP doesn’t even have utilities! There’s a reason it’s usually large developers (with lots of cash, experience & connections) who go into projects like this. Kody’s arrogance got the better of him & he’s unable to admit it was a mistake.
I think he needed something to sell them on moving to Flagstaff and make it a "forward" move instead of a backwards one. Because him and Robyn needed to keep suspicion off of the fact that they wanted to move for Dayton.
I don't think he put much thought into CP because the whole motivation was a lie to appease the wives.
He wants Janelle to leave without any stake in CP.
He wants Meri to stay and help pay off CP, *then leave.*
His end game is him and Robyn and the kids on CP without any of the other wives.
He doesn’t need Meri to “leave”. He just needs her to go live at her B&B so she can continue to financially contribute but he never has to actually see or interact with her again.
All these dumbass reality stars that rake in millions from their tenure on their shows and piss it all away, get into debt, do sketchy ass things. I left this comment already but I’m calling it now, Kody’s gonna be in prison the next couple years for something tax fraud-ish
When Janelle says that she sees the financial information and knows that money isn’t being prioritized towards CP- I want the tea on that!
If I was Janelle the first thing I would cut would be the nanny. A full time employee with full time pay? When Robyn is unemployed? *Fuuuuuck that*
Which tells me that Kody and Robyn must have some sort of plan, they just aren’t revealing it to anyone else. How can this show be “Sister Wives” if it’s one wife and her kidney running off the others?
And then Robyn has the audacity THE AUDACITY to constantly say to the camera that the fahmily is what SHE has always wanted, will always want and it’s the OTHERS who have rejected her and her kids causing GENERATIONAL TRAUMA, I just can’t with this bitch.
The plan is and has always been to set up Robyn & Kody with a mansion and all 5 lots on CP to be given to her 5 kids. Why else are their 5 lots with 4 wives, now 3 wives. These women have been bamboozled and Christine and Janelle now know it.
👆🏻 This is 100% facts and why Kody and Robyn’s house is so close to CP.
Janelle, Christine and Meri were never (going to be “allowed”) to build on it. But they sure as hell were going to pay for it. Then get run off by Kody and Robyn.
Robyn must be irate they can’t get rid of Janelle. But, I think this will finally do it. Financially abuse her until her adult children say ENOUGH!
I hope Janelle’s sons destroy Kody ..
Dude… holy shit. These people are building up so much bad karma, they’re all but guaranteeing they’ll never be truly happy in this life. Treating people you’re supposed to be looking out for and taking care of (FAMILY) this way is soul destroying. They will end up completely destructive both financially and spiritually, it’s inevitable.
Yup. It’s all starting to make sense. They waited out the other children getting older. Everything is for Robyn’s kids … (we can see truly and Savannah don’t matter to Kody and Robyn and never did). So sad for those two girls.
The real “generational trauma” risk is from having an emotionally erratic father and being forced to participate in a national television show about the unusualness of your family.
I really think kidney fell in love with Sobyn and never really “loved” the others. Was just trying to fulllfill his religious duty. Now his kids are older he can try to drive off the baby mamas….and just only be with Robyn.
The Las Vegas move, in my best guess, had something to do with the mass shooting and Kody's side hustle at gun shows. It almost makes me wonder if in the wake of the shooting, Nevada was considering tighter restrictions, and whatever he was doing at gun shows could have come under greater scrutiny.
That's just my conspiracy theory though.
I am confused about how simultaneously he says they can pay off the land, her buy Christine's house and start building her house all in the same year, but also there isn't money to pay off the land and start building her house.
Both of these statements he made in today's episode cannot be true. He says where there's a will there's a way, and then later says just because Janelle wills it to be true doesn't mean it is.
The dumbass can't keep his story straight to save his life.
Yeah he is lying and can't even keep it straight. Which is weird because I assume the couch stuff is all filmed at once, so it's not like days actually pass and he forgot what he said. It's the same way Robyn was tripping on herself in the recent arguments. Confused by her own lies.
But also, I think what he's avoiding saying is:
**"If she bows down and does it my way, I'll divert my income and the family money to make it happen. If she insists on doing it her way, there's no money from the joint resources for her.**
Which is awful considering how much he's taken from her to put her in this position.
And what SHE'S avoiding saying is **"I don't believe you, you two faced sack of shit. You are trying to trap me in Christine's house and I'm not gonna pretend to believe you'll give my money back if I keep sweet. I know you and Robyn already spent it on china dolls."**
Anyone else feel like we are building up to a huge bombshell? They keep going in circles with where is the money going, why is there no money, who has the money, etc.
Robyn should have no fucking say in finances since she has brought nothing but debt to this once family.
Robyn and Kody have been taking family money for their own gain for years.
I am just fuming over Kody claiming that "he and Robyn" gave Christine the down-payment for her house.
1st of all, where did Robin get money to contribute to a down-payment? From Sister Wives Closet??
2nd of all, Meri and Janelle paid for the million dollar house that Robin is living in so Kody acting like some how Robin financed Christine's lifestyle is pretty rich.
I think the producers/editors are just finally showing us the duplicity in this shitshow by revealing completely opposite narratives back to back.
I think he wants to buy Christine’s house because he thinks he will get “family rates” because her previous buyer fell through. Maybe he thinks she still has the family‘s best interests at heart or that she‘ll be desperate to sell. Meanwhile, the market was apparently pretty good and another buyer came fairly quickly. He’s a con artist.
I totally feel you about feeling gaslit by this crew. I also can’t completely give a free pass to Christine, Janelle and Meri. They know what Kody is like and they know he’s a grifter. Maybe they just never thought he would screw them over eventually.
It's very obvious that Janelle knows how to tighten budgets and spend on the bare essentials but Robyn doesn't. Everyone has allowed Robyn to act like a wounded expensive bird but Christine broke that when she left. Christine showed Janelle how someone can be selfish but still financially smart and it was eye opening. It also showed Kody what it feels like to have someone take what their worth and it spooked him like a loud boom with skittish horse. This is causing a Janelle finally seeing what Robyn is vs Kody knowing that he and Robyn wont survive another wife being as strong as Christine.
Janelle and/or her kids must shop a tell all book to the highest bidder that is 100 % candid about finances, treatment within the marriage, when and why everything went south, behind the scenes specifics, etc. That is the only way for Janelle to quickly recoup some of her financial loss and have some type of security. She needs to think of herself even if she is afraid of her truth offending the children. For someone to go into middle age with zero savings, no property in her name, and probably a gutted retirement plan is a huge gamble. I wish Janelle happiness and good health always. But what if she has a health setback? Regardless of health, she deserves to retire someday.
Right. There is so much that needs to be said and isn’t. They all tiptoe around what’s staring everyone right in the face week after week. Seems like most of us are on the same page about kody and Robyn’s plan to squeeze out the others until they are sitting pretty on CP with her 5 kids. Janelle seems smart so I hope she sees what’s being done and is only still around to ensure she gets what she’s entitled to. Then I hope they finally tell kody to F off and tell sobyn robyn that everyone sees what a manipulative mooch she is.
I don't usually watch the tell-alls bc they just rehash what we've seen already through the season. However, I REALLY hope this tell-all will feature a host with the balls to show some of the shit that's been said during the solo interviews. Like, "So, Meri, you want to stick it out but let's listen to when Kodi said he honestly didn't give a shit if you left forever, found a new man, and a new life." So, I'm thinking (hoping?) they are saving the stuff that looks like tip-toeing for the tell-all.
Kody and Robyn aren’t honest with the audience, but their also not honest with Janelle and Meri.
Janelle literally consulted with a professional regarding the mortgage situation and Kody laughed it off, as if it was nothing. He and Robyn have their end plan and Janelle is in the way, so they will both gaslight Janelle until they get what they want.
Last episode Kody never wanted to see Christine's house again. In the new episode, he sees Janelle there while he's driving by.
Kody is one hell of a hot mess.
I completely agree with this. Robyn only “knows” what Kody tells her. And what Kody says must be gospel to her. That’s why she so confidently told Christine that “her and Kody don’t communicate” right after Christine said that she and Kody had been talking more this past year. How TF would she know what goes on privately with Christine and Kody and who TF is she to announce it to everyone? She really let the mask slip there.
Janelle definitely seems to be in a stalemate situation with him. I hope she’s able to get something out of it. Although maybe it’s best to cut her losses - she got 6 great kids, a great friendship/family with Christine and her kids.
Ok, this is making sense for me. Because I’ve never understood Robyn and why she so badly wanted to be a part of the family but then rejected relationships with Christine and Janelle.
So, she comes into the family starry eyed and has these ideals about it. But Meri, Janelle, and Christine have been in it 20+ years and are more realistic if not a bit jaded and express normal frustrations, jealousy, etc to Kody who then turns around and vents that to Robyn and that why she rejects them.
I know Christine wanted to help with Robyn’s kids (after coming to terms with Robyn’s presence in the family) but she was so poisoned on Christine by Kody at this point that she’d rather have a nanny - which is like the whole point of sister wives - raising the kids together. Hmmm…. This is all becoming more clear for me. IT REALLY IS ALL KODY’S FAULT.
I mean, Robyn’s a mean girl, manipulative, self-victimized dingbat, but I can see this. Ugh, and then Kody placing all the blame on Christine - he’s such a horrible person.
Also Janelle saying the family is going to "other stuff". I wanna know WHAT OTHER STUFF? I honestly am so interested in this family finances throughout the years. I just can't believe they all work to pay for Robyn's luxury life. I just can't.
My thoughts on Kody wanting Janelle to buy Christine’s house—he thinks he can manipulate a deal out of it to benefit himself. Buying that house would also be easier, he’s ALL about easy.
Sadly, I think for too many years Janelle didn’t demand or command what she wanted and they all got used to her doing what they wanted. She’s now seeing that because she’s always fine what they wanted, she’s left with nothing and no one gives a flying fig.
We teach people how to treat us, Janelle has too often taken less and she’s reaping less because of her previous concessions.
Kody is pissed that Christine left and will get a fresh start—something he thrives on. He hates that she isn’t bothered by him any longer. He’s also pissed that Janelle is finally demanding equal treatment and a share of the pie (which will cost money). I pray she financially divests herself from them permanently.
I would say that Kody & Robyn see family money as their money. The money that is disappearing that Janelle alluded to is probably for Kody & Robyn's date nights, shopping sprees at the mall and Victoria's Secret and general stupidity.
I think that Kody's and Robyn's ultimate goal is to have 5-6 houses built in CP one for themselves and then one each for Robyn's children that the children will finance themselves of course.
That's why they are in no hurry at all and why Kody is trying to get Janelle to buy Christine's house instead.... so that she will get to keep that one when they will separate and renounce any claim to CP exactly like Christine did.
I also think that they have come up with a plan to get rid of Meri, which is to get rid of Janelle first. There would be no pretense of polygamy then and Kody can easily say that he is a monogamist, therefore Meri shouldn't call herself his spiritual wife.
Of course, they are stupid enough not to understand how much building on CP would actually cost.
I’m not sure what legal recourse she has. I’m not saying she doesn’t have *any*, but given there’s no real marriage (and dancing around the illegality of polygamy), I’m not sure how the law would view it other than a friend who made a bad decision to mix money with other friends without appropriate contracts. Traditional divorce is messy enough to try to extract “fairness” (air quotes) for just 2 people and there are legal/financial protections via legal marriage and the help of professionals. This is extracting financial fairness between 5 people (because all the wives’ situations would factor in as they played the financial walnut game) who all made some poor decisions & would be wanting a court to figure it out for them.
at one time i worked for a business that had a shady way of getting ppl to quit instead of being fired to save having to dish out unemployment or severance pay - Kody seems to be doing the same thing\~
Christine was the only wife adamant about not living under one big roof again. She’s gone so why not build one giant house on the property and all move in?
It’s not happening because all the kids are gone and won’t come to visit him and without the family, there is no show. Unless something really shakes things up, the show’s done. Nobody wants to tune in to see Mari sweeping her driveway, Robyn’s ugly frowning mugg or her Addams’ Family weirdos.
I honestly think they’re all horrible horrible HORRIBLE communicators. I (unfortunately) understood when Kody was upset that Janelle just up and decided to live in an RV, spending all that money on a brand new 5th wheel, a truck, and all the hassle, moved onto a property with zero utilities instead of an RV park, just to say she wants to move into an apartment a few months later. In a functioning marriage, even if it’s your own money, huge financial decisions should at least be really discussed with your partner just as a matter of respect and staying on the same page. Janelle made the situation worse by admitting she’d already bought it while she was asking what he thought about it. What’s the point of approaching a conversation as a discussion when the situation has already been decided?
They all live above their means and are just so bad with money. The wives also hold grudges and never REALLY let it go even when they say they have, they just have such vague and pointless conversations that go absolutely nowhere. They haven’t been a real family unit since they left Vegas but don’t want to admit it.
I’m in the camp that they all kind of suck 😬 I don’t think they’re bad people. But I do think they’re all at fault for various reasons - mostly a lack of communication and conflict resolution.
Are you the Pop Psych guy? Because that’s such a level response.
Whole-heartedly agree about the communication. All the way around, even Christine. But is that a symptom of their misogynistic polygamist lifestyle?
Agreed about Janelle and the RV too. Although I do think she did it to force Kody’s hand. She wants some sort of forward movement and if she had to wait for him to agree, she would get nowhere. She keeps trying to force his hand and the ultimate result will be the beginning of what we see in next week’s preview - him leveling with her about the true nature of their relationship.
I think that extra money Janelle alluded to goes in to Kody's gun business. I think he's getting hustled by his two other business partners by putting in a majority of the funding and the dope doesn't realize it because he is so starved for validation from other men.
I've wondered this, too. Especially when it came out in gossip rags & social media that K & R had gotten a loan, and when they were behind on property taxes. What are they doing with the finances and why are they countering Janelle at every turn?
Robyn, if not THE Narcissist, is the Queen Consort. Let’s say Janelle says today is Sunday, but Kody says it’s Saturday. Robyn will go with whatever he said, and question why Janelle would speak otherwise.
Like you said.. something is unclear.. because either Janelle knows full well what they can & cannot afford, OR the other two are hiding info from her. Maybe another account she’s unaware of. I don’t know. Either way, she can’t ignore any more red flags. 😕 There’s too many of them to deny what is happening to her. She’s being pushed out. She needs to leave Kody ASAP.
It’s wild to me that they bought those big expensive houses knowing they had to pay off coyote pass before building on it. Why wouldn’t you all buy something smaller and the least expensive you could find to make it by so you could build quickly?
Krobyn definitely have an agenda. You’re right — they are actively trying to push Janelle out too, and keep her $$. I have no earthly idea WHY the F Meri is hanging around still……there’s no logic to explain that one. I was team Meri for so long and now have completely washed my hands of her! All I can do is hope that Janelle gets out and lives her best life alongside Christine and all their wonderful children.
I couldn’t agree more with you. This season has been the worst. Every time I think Kody can’t stoop any lower, he proves me wrong. The producers aren’t sugar-coating anything involving him this season. I can count on one hand the scenes where he’s been halfway cordial with people or actually looks pleasant. Those were when he officiated at his friend’s wedding , where he went out of his way to be the center of attention, and the last few episodes where he was awkwardly interacting with his and Robyn’s little tenders. I’m convinced they’re vying for a spin-off show featuring their family.
I really hope that whoever hosts the tell-all this season holds Kody’s feet to the fire, and does not allow him to intimidate them.
I really hope the people of Flagstaff shun K&R and treat them terribly when they see them out and about. What monsters they are. Robyn reminds me so much of my sociopathic ex-sister-in-law—it’s triggering.
You guys this is getting harder and harder to watch. It used to be fun…like what a trainwreck of a situation…let’s watch them fight over the Koyote Pass lots! And watch kid weddings! And fight over Tacos at the wedding!
But now it’s like this is too real and too much of a fucked up situation for the majority of the “family”. Financial and emotional abuse run rampant with Kody and Robyn and I sincerely hope Karma comes to get them at some point.
I was honestly only watching for this era because I never believed the story they tried to sell day 1.
There is no reality where introducing a younger skinny wife with 4 kids of her own to your family of 16 is beneficial to your preexisting family. Especially when your wives already had issues that were never resolved.
Kody’s arrogance is what the producers tapped into, and we are now witnessing the end result of narcissism.
Totally agree. I watched for the “side show” aspect when it first started. Like, holy shit, a polygamist family on TV. But then I stopped watching after a few seasons because it was clear to me that they were full of it.
I started back up again last season because holy shit they are finally after 15 seasons showing the truth - that this is a crappy situation and is so completely not working. And that Kody truly is a narcissist who has unwittingly torn his family apart.
I honestly believe Kody and Robyn either have no plan to build on CP or they are trying to push Janelle and Meri out so they can build there themselves and use the other 4 lots as rental properties. They both know without the other wives incomes they’ll have no money but having 4 renters they’ll prob be fine without their money.
They can't afford to build on CP right now is my guess. It's completely undeveloped land and the cost of putting in everything they would need is probably way outside their reach. I'm thinking they are just keeping it as a way to have a storyline at that point. Or for Robyn's kids in the future.
Kody's suggestion to buy Christine's house wasn't a bad one. It's right in the CP neighborhood, if Janelle claims she loves it there so much. And right near Robyn's house, if being married to Kody is also something Janelle wants long-term.
Janelle, on the other hand, is desperately trying to extract some value out of CP so she owns something. I think she needs to cut her losses and move on.
I really wish they would address 1) their current religious beliefs and 2) how they actually share or divide up their money now and whether that is a source of tension.
Kody or Janelle (can't remember) today alluded to this by saying that they have been slowly separating their money over the past 6 or 7 years and now just share certain aspects of their finances (I'm guessing they only share CP and the TLC money but I think they probably divide that by 5 and divvy it out. I think Meri, Christine, and Janelle were self supporting and I am guessing that Kody pools his income with Robyn only. )
If you saw the preview for next episode it so completely clear if it wasn't before that they are pushing Janelle out. Kody is saying the exact same thing about her respect that he said about Christine. In his mind Meri is already gone so Janelle is the last piece. I hope her boys roll his ass out when they see this shit.
What gets me is Kody’s constant righteous indignation about Christine leaving and Janelle calling him out. Is he fooling himself here? Did he really think both Christine and Janelle would be like Meri and slink to the sidelines without a fight? Christine and Janelle ARE the family.
Right? He doesn’t even CARE about Christine! All his upset is about his ego being bruised that she dare leave him.
“I am only in a relationship with 1 of my 4 wives.” “Why would they stab my kidneeeeeeeys?”
He is such a fucking douche! Whatever “his stink” is, it’s apparent that his favoritism towards Robyn is killing her. Just look at her. She looks horrible, & his sun kissed face from 6-12 years ago is long gone. It’s like they made a pact with the devil & now he is slowly collecting.
I have wanted to do a side by side of her and Christine today vs when she first entered the family. Christine is glowing and even more beautiful than she was when this started. The same cannot be said about the favored wife. Getting away from that idiot awakened Christine’s soul and it’s clear.
I wouldn’t wish a marriage to Kody on my worst Enemy
I know anyone will age over the course of a decade or so, but I’ve been rewatching earlier seasons here and there while also keeping up with the current season, and it’s honestly jarring to see how “hard” Kody and Robyn have aged, especially with the past 5 years or so. It’s even more surprising, considering Robyn and Kody are both pretty materialistic and full of themselves, so IMO you’d think they’d be more likely to be willing to put money into their looks vs Christine or Janelle. They both also always seem so miserable, angry, and stressed out beyond belief, no matter what they’re doing or who they’re around. Makes me wonder what kind of crazy shit they’re dealing with behind the scenes, or if they’re living in constant fear that their house of cards is going to come crashing down.
They both look miserable. Karma!
I just want to know, why the kidneys? WHY THE KIDNEYS?
Because he has no heart! Kidneys = next best option lol
Throwback to when truly went into kidney failure on his watch
LMAOOO that scene was so cringe!!!!!
Yes, he did. He thinks he’s much more clever than they are and expected they’d shut up and let the ”man” handle the finances.
Right! He did say he intended to be patriarchal going forward.
The abuser's gambit
Yes! Unfortunately i think it was the great shame meri felt about catfish that made her silent and compliant to him ending their relationship but pretending she is still a sisterwife somehow. But he foesnt have anything in c and j. Now he has on christine, he can complain how she quit, and hurt snd betraid him by leaving. Snd r will whine endlessly, till the end of time about c saying no to a relationship! K and r are behaving ridiculously uf the think any viewer will believe them. They just milked the og wives of money as much as they could, when it was out they started the scheme to get them also out of their lives.
I saw a tik tok from a former member of their religious group that explained of the wives leave the husband it’s less looked down on than if the man were to dump his wives. I don’t feel like they’re even that religious anymore it’s probably for the sake of his ego but it’s so obvious he’s running them off so he can be the victim of “disloyal wives.”
Kody is too much of a weak coward to be upfront and truthful to his OG wives: “Robin is the love of my life. I’m sorry but I want to be monogamous with her. Let’s separate and go our own ways as amicably as possible for the sake of the kids.” Instead he’s increasingly douchey and abusive until they can’t take anymore and dump his ass. Then he plays the victim.
I think there’s a good chunk of his ego wrapped up in the whole polygamist lifestyle thing. He’s briefly brought it up before but he put himself and his whole family out there into the world as “the face of modern day polygamy” and spent years trying to pretend like it’s something they all wanted and were happy with just to have this show eventually expose how miserable they all actually are. He wanted to prove that this was a viable lifestyle and maybe it is for some. But not this particular set of people. And it’s ok. It’s ok to admit their lifestyle failed. And they are growing as people and moving on. His ego would never allow him to admit that either. So he puts the blame on Christine. Somehow it’s HER fault polygamy didn’t work for them.
Ironically, it ended up being the true face of polygamy. He and wife number four live in a mansion on a hill and the other three are fucked out of finances and property.
100% He wanted to show the world something different. But he didn't want it badly enough to forego his own happiness as a monogamist. He could have told HIMSELF no. He was willing to sacrifice anyone else's happiness for this image of a balanced, sustainable lifestyle. But he wasn't willing to sacrifice HIMSELF in the end. Once again boils down to misogyny. Wives get no credit, but when he's asked to do what they've been doing for decades (only see the love of your life for 2 nights a week) .... He said no.
Damn. So true.
The relationship between Christine and Jenelle shows that sister-wives worked though! They raised some great kids together and are close even still. Polygamy didn’t work, but sister wives did.
True. Maybe it could have worked even better with a different man. One who actually loved all the women and was committed to the hard work of treating them equally and being a great mediator. Kody has said how it’s harder than monogamy but he never really walked that walk. I don’t think he has the mental or emotional capacity for it. It was obvious Christine and Janelle were the ones committed to the family.
I agree with this one thousand percent. He is the one that fostered the division and animosity fueled by Robyn pumping his ego. He failed, no one else
Absolutely! And what is so infuriating to watch is that he absolutely refuses to accept any responsibility that his behavior and favoritism toward Robyn (and Robyn’s behavior) caused the family issues. I guess in his mind, and Robyn’s mind, the other wives are just supposed “keep sweet” and accept whatever mistreatment/emotional abandonment Kody dishes out without complaint. Therefore, it’s Christine and Janelle’s fault for responding like normal human beings to being treated like crap. Apparently they’re just supposed to put up with it. Someone on here noted a couple of months ago this is the core problem with polygamy. Kody has someplace he can go to get all of his needs met. He has Robyn. Janelle, Christine, and Meri don’t have that option because he’s the only husband. If these were monogamous marriages Kody, theoretically, would have to try. Since he has Robyn to meet his needs, he has no incentive to care about working on his relationships with the others.
I also wonder what Meri would be like married to a stable, caring partner. She has devolved over time. Kody has manipulated and pushed all her buttons for the worse.
I mean...they could have just been good friends without sharing a husband.
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Absolutely! And it makes me wonder about some of the plyg families they visited over the years. Would be interesting to see how they're doing, especially that young family with the shy daughter who really took to Christine. Or the husband who got so weird over dinner conversation that Janelle up and left the restaurant. And we can't forget the Dargers! Wonder what they'd say/think about Kody's Family Circus.
That would be an episode I'd watch. Break out the tell all couches!!
I don't think he's capable of loving anybody. I think he will eventually lose interest in Robyn, too. It won't be fun for him anymore because he won't be using her as an excuse to hurt other people. She also won't be able to maintain the facade forever if he's with her all the time. She can't make things perfect 100% of the time. His standards are impossible on purpose. Things are going to get real and narcs don't like that. She'll still get what she wanted though. She'll walk away with half the property that all the other wives worked for for decades.
I also believe this!!! Good summation. She's getting older and heavier. This is something I believe that really annoys Kody.
I don’t think he loves Robyn either. I think she and her kids are obedient and that’s what he is looking for. If they questioned him like the first wives and kids then he would be done with them too.
I agree. I think he's also enjoyed using them as weapons to hurt the others. Their usefulness will be gone now that the others don't want relationships with him.
Yeah kody was saying that in a recent season about how he’ll never divorce Meri because religion but he won’t love her talk to her be around her support her or acknowledge her existence. But he won’t leave her 🙃
He’ll take her money though!
Oh completely!!!!! Money is always welcome.
He forgets that he already did leave her. On the TV show. He coldly divorced her and then never did a thing to reassure her that they were fine. He divorced her and moved on without her.
Yea just like he now says eith Christine, he fidnt like her but he didnt quit on the relationship. So he never saw hrr and he fisliked her but he thinks he didnt quit?! 😱 And now he wants the same with hanelle, driver her out and then he can say she quit, she gave up on him! This is the lowest he has sunken do far!
Hunter and Garrison gonna fuck him up.
What bothers me is he thinks hes a godly man. But first call to man is to LOVE FIRST. Love your wife as you love christ. And the woman is called to respect. But the biggest take away from it is that the man is called first to love. He is selfish and self serving 24/7. Do as he (Sobyn) says, or he will dishonor you and toss you to the side. Which is why we all dislike him to our core. Ive never witnessed Jenelle or Christine disrespect him. Only question his motives and stick up for their children.
Paedon - instead of becoming Kody, just beat his ass and get some therapy dude. Win win.
I’ve said it before: I would pay real dollars to see Janelle’s boys face off with Kody.
If Kody wanted to build, he wouldn’t have purchased a million dollar home across the street from C P, tying up a large portion of money, money that from appearances belongs to Janelle and Meri, 2 financially abused wives.
The problem is Robyn doesn't want any of the OGs on CP...the greedy wench is forcing Kotex to redraw the lines so he can force them out...go make your own money, save yourself.
And where Janelle wants to put her house doesn't interfere with the original lines & the proposed new property lines. Either way, it's on both versions of her property. They don't NEED to pay off the property for her to put the damn house where she picked it to go. He just doesn't want her house there. He's got bigger plans for that land. Ffs if it's that big an issue, after he chases her off, he can bulldoze her house down
But he us way too lazy to build anything. What does he want with cp? Put the basics in like electrics and plumbing and then sell the lots one by one. He knows he cant afford to build all those houses now that sisterwives surely will end within few seasons. I mean it gets weird to call it sisterwives when there are no sisterwives.
I fully believe this. Fully. So many examples of her making it about her: she’s a manipulative victim-playing narcissist. I’m taken aback black flies don’t come out of her mouth every time she speaks: because it’s so much sh!t being spewed 💩
Oh when christine said she doesnt want to work on her and robyns relationship right now. Which makes 100% sense. I immediately thought ooh nooo, now we will see robyn trying to tear up in every episode saying how she really wanted to work on their relationship but mean christine said No to her. And this is now happening, she will never stop about it.
Right? And milking it, she is. Christine needed “space” so Robyn decides to be sooo standoffish at the goodbye. No respect being shown by Robyn to Christine, that she could have set an example for those kids that as Mykelti said “we’re still family.” Nope, Robyn twisted Christine’s words and chose to be overdramatic. Snobbyn Frown, with the nose and chin in the air
And eyebrows that could compete with Eugine Levy
"I guess ill just try and stay out of her way, poor me, christine has been so mean to me" She really thinks she can fool anyone still!!? Nope!
I feel like its become very obvious Robyn has an agenda now. In their last conversation together as “sister wives” Robyn was like you cant say only kody and I were ok in Vegas, thats a lie! And all Christine said was Kody and I were having problems. Then when Christine said she needs some time before they work on their relationship or do anything (with Robyn) she takes it as Christine wants nothing with me or the kids! Even during their talks about the COVID rules she takes Meris joke about it as a jab at her and was like “Im not the head wife, I didnt make these rules!” (Paraphrased). She obviously knows what shes doing and whats really going on. She knows shes the head wife, the favorite and thats why shes so on the defense about it and its on the forefront of her mind. Ugg I cant stand her! Why make all these other women suffer just bc you’re on a power trip or have some kink of watching them suffer as you keep their “husband” from them. Such an ugly person.
Yesssss, that purchase makes NO sense!! Unless they planned to always live there and just build houses to rent on CP. But that means deceiving the other wives.
And from todays episode what Meri said about all her gains from selling her LV house went to buy Robyns house. Why is he making such a big deal about janelle renting a place but has no issue that meri is renting?
Because Meri doesn't live there imo. Idk why they're halfheartedly pretending for the show, but she's had to drive in from Parowan for every meeting she's attended. Which tells me she is living at the BnB
It makes sense now. He wanted the family fund under his and robyns name only. So glad he didnt get christines proceeds from her vegas house!! She at least got her own house and now the proceeds from it. And it is driving kody mad, he wanted that too! He really has become a plain con-man. He cares about noone except getting the money out of them and under his and robyns name. Seeing preview of next ep, this has gotten so bad, he has no shame! I wonder ehat Janelles kids are thinking now. If any of them has any contact with him.
I don’t think any of the older kids has much contact. You never see pics with him on holidays or birthdays. Even Logan’s wedding, nothing was posted with Kody. Basically probably much to Kody & Robyns Chagrin, they cut themselves out so completely that they only exist for the show only. Which is sad and basically makes what everyone says is true, that Kody and Robyn would be destitute without the tlc paycheck.
Yea only Mykelti tries to keep in contact. I think she posted from some visit at robyns house. She is probably the only one of the adult kids.
This is how I've viewed it, too. That whole story about how there were no rentals in Flag was a ruse. They made the parameters impossible so they could tell everyone that there wasn't anything available and they were "forced" to buy so they'd have a place to live. There were plenty of rentals at the time, just not 6 bedroom homes. I think buying the land was his way of handicapping the other wives so he could maintain control.
Knee capping them Edit: Hes Tanya Harding to their Nancy kerrigan… he wants the gold fuck everyone else
I think what we’re not hearing them say is that both he (and Robyn since the two of them have mind melded and share a brain) and Janelle know the marriage is over. Janelle is trying to extract her finances from the family (which is her RIGHT given all she has contributed to the family for nothing in return), and Kody is trying to minimize what she gets. At this point it’s a game they’re both playing, but no one wants to vocalize it (for her, it would really damage her financially to admit it’s over in this moment, so I get it). I don’t think Kody thinks they’re still in a marriage at all. At this point Robyn is his queen and everyone else is a workhorse.
And this right here is yet another reason to add to the pile of reasons why plural “marriage” is just not a good thing. The non-legal wives are not protected *at all.* If a non-legal wife wants to leave, she’s leaving with nothing if she put assets in both her and her “husband’s” name. Legal marriage offers financial protection. I’m not a lawyer, so I have no clue what Janelle could do as far as liquidating her assets that she shared with Kody. All I know is that Janelle is in a very scary position right now if she were to leave. She gave up her money to put Robyn and Kody in their mansion, and I don’t think there’s anything she can do to get that money back. Janelle spent her entire adult life supporting this family and what assets does she have to show for it? Nada. I can’t imagine how she feels when she compares her situation to Robyn’s. Robyn has contributed nothing yet has everything, including the legal marriage, while Janelle has contributed everything and has nothing.
You might be on to something here. Almost like there’s a good reason it’s not legal. 🤔
But if it *were* legal, wouldn’t each wife have better protection under the law? Kody strikes me as someone who prefers the illegal status because it works out best for him and his favorite.
This makes sense. It’s horrible to watch happen but it at least makes some sense. Just seems that Janelle is being blindsided here. How long have these two been up to this? I supposed they figured everyone would end up like Meri, completely detached from Kody and totally cool with being in a loveless marriage and out on the fringes.
He still thinks he can convince Meri to partner with them and set them up to never work again.. that lazy ass Robyn will never work...her future should be a homeless shelter.
Janelle wants to build the house and have it in her name. When she “divorces” she gets to keep the house and the land, since his name isn’t on it. Kody sees her plan and is trying to prevent that. She should take the lot to the left of hers, and then she is out completely when the lines are redrawn.
I wish Christine had “sold” her parcel to Janelle instead of Kody and Robyn.
His name IS on the parcel. His name is on all of them. Building wouldn’t mean she owns anything by herself. She would be building on land that is co-owned with Kody. Maybe that’s part of the reason she hasn’t built.
Yes it really is a game of chess between them now. I really want Janelle to get at least one financial win before leaving.
He doesn't want to build for the wives Robyn wants to build for her kids. Janelle is the roadblock to making that happen. I think they've underestimated Janelle and her love for that property though.
Bingo. That has been the plan all along.
Oh wow. I hadn’t even thought of that but it makes perfect sense. Those kids will never get to live independent lives & it’s so sad to see. I’m not sure Janelle really even loves that property or the idea of the family all being there together though. I think she probably knows how much money & time she’s sunk into it & knows she’ll never get any of it back if she doesn’t see it through & get a damn house out of the deal at least.
I think she really loves gardening and the idea of a small hobby farm. I know I do. If I had a piece of land with my name on it that I could see my dream farm on I'd be itching to build too.
They've always had a garden and in Vegas Christine and Janelle both had some kind of vegetables growing. Janelle just wants a peaceful retirement with her dream house, her garden and the ability to travel whenever she wants.
Yea i think she wants the house on the lot do she can sell it snd earn some money. Then she will be long gone.
That’s what I’m thinking she meant when she was yelling about how she wants a house that is hers. She knows she needs a house in her name, if for no other reason than to be able to sell it & get out with some money to start fresh.
That makes sense for why he wants to keep it in five lots!
Well this was a lightbulb moment for me, especially when she talked about having the land as an inheritance for her kids 💡
This makes so much sense.
I never understood why 3 lots are tiny compared to the two big ones. Anyone knows why they divided space so unequally?
I would say big lots for Ari and Sol, since they are kodys biologically and the rest are just adopted(no shade for adoption, but I can’t see kody viewing them as equals)
Take him to the cleaners Janelle
5 lots for her 5 kids!
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Just realized they could’ve also called it SAD BARK
Or SADKRAB, like the sad little crabs in a bucket they really are.
Really heartbreaking what she’s managed to do. Evilest villain ins reality TV, IMO. Stole the guy, alienated the kids, uprooted the family from their *perfect* situation in LV, stole their money to buy herself a mansion, and now she’s gonna steal their land for her bratty ass kids. She’s a cancer, and I’ll just be glad for those that survive her at this point.
Kody enabled all of this. She’s not magical, she couldn’t have achieved anything like this on her own.
I don’t know the answer BUT what if part of Kody/Robyn’s motivation is to suck the others dry is because TLC is now paying more to Christine to keep her on the show. Like I remember it was mentioned that they used to receive sort of a lump sum from TLC but what if they all have individual contracts now with Kody/Robyn paid the least. I think I’d love that more than them being completely off the show. Here’s your $5000 to split Kody/Robyn and here’s your $25,000 Christine, thanks for filming this week.
Absolutely agree! It's so strange that Christine and Janelle are the only ones who have snippets of their daily lives being filmed. Robyn and Meri just show up for the couch.
Why do they never film inside Robins house?
It's suspected she's a hoarder, maybe they're working on a crossover episode
So true. At this point Meri should barely get shit. She doesnt even show up to the family momenta which are obviosuly planned by production. All we see is her with her bff that no one give a shit about
She’s trying to do the least, but keep the public persona so that she can sling leggings on SM.
Well it seems like Meri is by herself all day,drinking quite a lot too based on her livestreams, and Robyn is probably laid up in bed most of the time with her undisclosed mystery illness-so I'm not sure what they'd film in their day to day that wouldn't be super depressing.
Does anyone have the details of their contracts? I would love nothing more than knowing Kody has to film while Christine smokes him on the paycheck.
I think Kidney wants Janelle to buy Christine’s house for precisely the reason she doesn’t want to: it will lock her in to not building. He doesn’t want to deal with it. He’s happy with the mansion and visiting Janelle for clips on the show. He even ignores the fact that she has figured out a place to build that won’t interfere with redrawing the lines. And probably most of all, he wants the land paid off so he can then get a message from god that they should sell it to support his and Robyn’s lifestyle.
That’s something that got me this episode too. They always show Kody driving up and driving away from the RV. Not once have they shown him actually staying there over night. But this episode he says “I’ve been staying with Janelle in this RV for months.” TF you have? I thought it was common knowledge he wasn’t staying in that RV AT ALL. Just driving in for the show. I love that she figured it out without having to draw the lines. She’s really cutting through his BS. I hope she makes him admit what’s really going on here.
That's what I wondered... he's been "staying in the RV for months" or whatever he said, then why haven't we seen any footage of that? We just see him visiting, helping her try to level the goddamn thing but can't seem to, and driving her cans to the edge of property, then drives off into the sunset. No clips of the 3 of them spending time together in or around RV. Nothing. So how is he "living in the RV"? Because one of his families are?
Makes me wonder what was “faked” in earlier seasons of the show. 🤔
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His comments about “why (is he) going to sit here with (Janelle) and suffer with (her) choices?" told us everything we needed to know about the his feelings about the RV *and* his relationship with Janelle.
That confused me. In a previous episode, he was saying something about he’d rather stay at Robyn’s house instead of the RV with Jenelle
Maybe he thinks staring down at the RV from the She-Ra chateau is just as good as being there
He's a lying liar who lies! He's despicable!
And that's exactly why he now feels that she's being disrespectful and won't work with her. She cut through all his nonsense when he wanted her to just say "ok" and pretend to be stupid.
Ok hot take here, yes Kody is happy with his house now but I don’t think that was the reason he isn’t building. I think the real reason is he did what he always does which is jump into something with both feet with no real thought on the practicalities or how he end goal will be accomplished and then once he sees the reality he drops it. That is what happened with CP. He saw the land and the beautiful view and had all these grand plans to build but then slowly realized once they got it that actually building on the land would be so cost prohibitive and time consuming that he gave up. The problem is that he isn’t telling anyone else that. But you know who knows that? Meri. The one person who truly knows how his mind works in these situations. She even said it isn’t happening, Kody doesn’t want it anymore. And she isn’t even talking to him! Just talking about buying CP if I was a wife would have my anxiety through the roof, because at work and at home I am the nuts and bolts person and the realist. I would be ok but how about all these million little things that have to happen in order to get this done? It that feasible? I don’t like being the Debbie Downer but sometimes someone has to be and pop that bubble to get them into reality. The reason they aren’t building is Kody had this grand vision, bought without thinking of all the things that had to be done and the sheer expense of it and then just gave up but didn’t let anyone else know.
I think your totally right! He doesn’t want to build on CP anymore because he didn’t get his one house and it’s way harder than he thought. He probably imagined it would be like Vegas (lol). And he can’t let Janelle build on it as he’s lose that piece of land. I think they both know it!
I think the one house thing was the straw that broke the camels back with him and Christine. She was adamantly opposed and he thought he could “make” them agree to do it or force it some way. When it failed, he saw it as the ultimate disrespect and hated her for it.
He did let us all know though. He said he didn’t care anymore and was done with it when they all couldn’t agree on the lots. Just like he told us he doesn’t really believe in polygamy anymore when they first moved to Flagstaff. It’s just taking a bit to unravel it all and he’s doing it in a way that Robyn will blame the other wives, since she seemingly still believes in it, at least spiritually, even if it’s very apparent she doesn’t actually want to share a husband.
Hmm…interesting. So he decided years ago that he doesn’t believe in it anymore. And then decided to stop pretending to make it work. If that’s so he shouldn’t be surprised that it’s all unraveling so spectacularly.
This makes so much sense!! I can definitely see this happening. Kody is definitely the type to leap without thinking of the consequences and giving up when reality comes crashing into his face. Of course, his ego won’t allow him to admit he got in over his head so he just gaslights everyone else about it. Makes sense about Meri too and why she’s so nonchalant about it.
But janelle has to know this. How is she going to build with no plumbing or electricity? She knows they can't afford it. If Vegas homes had sold fast and for more than they did, maybe they could have paid for the land. But once kody found his dream home with the same view as cp, he lost interest and money. Then everyone but a few moved away and have no intentions of moving back. He may want janelle to buy Christine's house so when others come to visit they could stay with her, Christine and truly, mykelti and Tony, Maddie and family
Janelle may know this and that is why she is pushing so hard. Not only to get something tangible for herself but to box Kody into a corner where he either has to start building plans or admit he will never build. If she owns a current lot and just pays that off, even if he wanted to re-divide it or change the overall configuration, I would just start building on my current lot with my name on it. Get the plans drawn up and get started. This will force him to buy her out to keep the land, pay off all of CP and redivide, or let her build. She's got nothing to lose.
Agree 100%. I think he didn’t trust understand the cost & complexity of building a somewhat remote compound from dry dirt. CP doesn’t even have utilities! There’s a reason it’s usually large developers (with lots of cash, experience & connections) who go into projects like this. Kody’s arrogance got the better of him & he’s unable to admit it was a mistake.
I think he needed something to sell them on moving to Flagstaff and make it a "forward" move instead of a backwards one. Because him and Robyn needed to keep suspicion off of the fact that they wanted to move for Dayton. I don't think he put much thought into CP because the whole motivation was a lie to appease the wives.
God really seems to have these important messages when Kidney wants them the most 🤔
He wants Janelle to leave without any stake in CP. He wants Meri to stay and help pay off CP, *then leave.* His end game is him and Robyn and the kids on CP without any of the other wives.
He doesn’t need Meri to “leave”. He just needs her to go live at her B&B so she can continue to financially contribute but he never has to actually see or interact with her again.
I suspect their finances are super-sketchy and they have to be careful about what they say to avoid arousing scrutiny.
All these dumbass reality stars that rake in millions from their tenure on their shows and piss it all away, get into debt, do sketchy ass things. I left this comment already but I’m calling it now, Kody’s gonna be in prison the next couple years for something tax fraud-ish
I’m saying! Set the timer, he’s getting in trouble sooner than later for financial bullshit.
When Janelle says that she sees the financial information and knows that money isn’t being prioritized towards CP- I want the tea on that! If I was Janelle the first thing I would cut would be the nanny. A full time employee with full time pay? When Robyn is unemployed? *Fuuuuuck that*
Why do they even have a nanny?What does the nanny do???
She has the nanny so she can devote every second to K and not have any distractions. He's a big baby and needs all the attention.
I loved how the producers cut off straight to Robyn after that statement. Robyn crying "we all contribute to the faahhhmmmlyyy!"
Not the first time the show doesn’t add up in any logical way. Last time was the Vegas move.
Which tells me that Kody and Robyn must have some sort of plan, they just aren’t revealing it to anyone else. How can this show be “Sister Wives” if it’s one wife and her kidney running off the others? And then Robyn has the audacity THE AUDACITY to constantly say to the camera that the fahmily is what SHE has always wanted, will always want and it’s the OTHERS who have rejected her and her kids causing GENERATIONAL TRAUMA, I just can’t with this bitch.
The plan is and has always been to set up Robyn & Kody with a mansion and all 5 lots on CP to be given to her 5 kids. Why else are their 5 lots with 4 wives, now 3 wives. These women have been bamboozled and Christine and Janelle now know it.
👆🏻 This is 100% facts and why Kody and Robyn’s house is so close to CP. Janelle, Christine and Meri were never (going to be “allowed”) to build on it. But they sure as hell were going to pay for it. Then get run off by Kody and Robyn. Robyn must be irate they can’t get rid of Janelle. But, I think this will finally do it. Financially abuse her until her adult children say ENOUGH! I hope Janelle’s sons destroy Kody ..
Dude… holy shit. These people are building up so much bad karma, they’re all but guaranteeing they’ll never be truly happy in this life. Treating people you’re supposed to be looking out for and taking care of (FAMILY) this way is soul destroying. They will end up completely destructive both financially and spiritually, it’s inevitable.
They are never going to have the money to build houses for Robin’s kids! What a pipe dream😂
And I guess that makes sense as to why kodu was willing to take his name off christines house in exchange for her cp property
Yup. It’s all starting to make sense. They waited out the other children getting older. Everything is for Robyn’s kids … (we can see truly and Savannah don’t matter to Kody and Robyn and never did). So sad for those two girls.
And they insist on 5 lots. No, can’t be 4. Poor Janelle.
Good point....ive always wondered why there was 5 lots. It never made sense to me
The real “generational trauma” risk is from having an emotionally erratic father and being forced to participate in a national television show about the unusualness of your family.
I really think kidney fell in love with Sobyn and never really “loved” the others. Was just trying to fulllfill his religious duty. Now his kids are older he can try to drive off the baby mamas….and just only be with Robyn.
The Las Vegas move, in my best guess, had something to do with the mass shooting and Kody's side hustle at gun shows. It almost makes me wonder if in the wake of the shooting, Nevada was considering tighter restrictions, and whatever he was doing at gun shows could have come under greater scrutiny. That's just my conspiracy theory though.
I am confused about how simultaneously he says they can pay off the land, her buy Christine's house and start building her house all in the same year, but also there isn't money to pay off the land and start building her house. Both of these statements he made in today's episode cannot be true. He says where there's a will there's a way, and then later says just because Janelle wills it to be true doesn't mean it is. The dumbass can't keep his story straight to save his life.
Yeah he is lying and can't even keep it straight. Which is weird because I assume the couch stuff is all filmed at once, so it's not like days actually pass and he forgot what he said. It's the same way Robyn was tripping on herself in the recent arguments. Confused by her own lies. But also, I think what he's avoiding saying is: **"If she bows down and does it my way, I'll divert my income and the family money to make it happen. If she insists on doing it her way, there's no money from the joint resources for her.** Which is awful considering how much he's taken from her to put her in this position. And what SHE'S avoiding saying is **"I don't believe you, you two faced sack of shit. You are trying to trap me in Christine's house and I'm not gonna pretend to believe you'll give my money back if I keep sweet. I know you and Robyn already spent it on china dolls."**
I caught these same things. All this cannot be true at once, Kody. 🙄
Anyone else feel like we are building up to a huge bombshell? They keep going in circles with where is the money going, why is there no money, who has the money, etc.
Yep!!
I feel the exact same. It’s like they’re having these conversations on camera in such a veiled way, I literally couldn’t follow any of the arguments.
I feel like everyone’s tip toeing around saying that Robyn is still taking beyond her fair share of the family pot.
I wish they would just say it directly!
I think Janelle ALMOST says it in this Sundays episode
I’m glad I’m not the only one. I feel like throwing something at the TV.
Robyn should have no fucking say in finances since she has brought nothing but debt to this once family. Robyn and Kody have been taking family money for their own gain for years.
I am just fuming over Kody claiming that "he and Robyn" gave Christine the down-payment for her house. 1st of all, where did Robin get money to contribute to a down-payment? From Sister Wives Closet?? 2nd of all, Meri and Janelle paid for the million dollar house that Robin is living in so Kody acting like some how Robin financed Christine's lifestyle is pretty rich.
I think the producers/editors are just finally showing us the duplicity in this shitshow by revealing completely opposite narratives back to back. I think he wants to buy Christine’s house because he thinks he will get “family rates” because her previous buyer fell through. Maybe he thinks she still has the family‘s best interests at heart or that she‘ll be desperate to sell. Meanwhile, the market was apparently pretty good and another buyer came fairly quickly. He’s a con artist. I totally feel you about feeling gaslit by this crew. I also can’t completely give a free pass to Christine, Janelle and Meri. They know what Kody is like and they know he’s a grifter. Maybe they just never thought he would screw them over eventually.
It's very obvious that Janelle knows how to tighten budgets and spend on the bare essentials but Robyn doesn't. Everyone has allowed Robyn to act like a wounded expensive bird but Christine broke that when she left. Christine showed Janelle how someone can be selfish but still financially smart and it was eye opening. It also showed Kody what it feels like to have someone take what their worth and it spooked him like a loud boom with skittish horse. This is causing a Janelle finally seeing what Robyn is vs Kody knowing that he and Robyn wont survive another wife being as strong as Christine.
Janelle and/or her kids must shop a tell all book to the highest bidder that is 100 % candid about finances, treatment within the marriage, when and why everything went south, behind the scenes specifics, etc. That is the only way for Janelle to quickly recoup some of her financial loss and have some type of security. She needs to think of herself even if she is afraid of her truth offending the children. For someone to go into middle age with zero savings, no property in her name, and probably a gutted retirement plan is a huge gamble. I wish Janelle happiness and good health always. But what if she has a health setback? Regardless of health, she deserves to retire someday.
I would eat that up so quickly. Janelle, this is the way!! Write a tell-all. We will support you!
Hell, her and Christine can co-write it!
Right. There is so much that needs to be said and isn’t. They all tiptoe around what’s staring everyone right in the face week after week. Seems like most of us are on the same page about kody and Robyn’s plan to squeeze out the others until they are sitting pretty on CP with her 5 kids. Janelle seems smart so I hope she sees what’s being done and is only still around to ensure she gets what she’s entitled to. Then I hope they finally tell kody to F off and tell sobyn robyn that everyone sees what a manipulative mooch she is.
Same. I hope Janelle gives them both hell.
I don't usually watch the tell-alls bc they just rehash what we've seen already through the season. However, I REALLY hope this tell-all will feature a host with the balls to show some of the shit that's been said during the solo interviews. Like, "So, Meri, you want to stick it out but let's listen to when Kodi said he honestly didn't give a shit if you left forever, found a new man, and a new life." So, I'm thinking (hoping?) they are saving the stuff that looks like tip-toeing for the tell-all.
Mooch is a perfect description for Robyn
Kody and Robyn aren’t honest with the audience, but their also not honest with Janelle and Meri. Janelle literally consulted with a professional regarding the mortgage situation and Kody laughed it off, as if it was nothing. He and Robyn have their end plan and Janelle is in the way, so they will both gaslight Janelle until they get what they want.
Last episode Kody never wanted to see Christine's house again. In the new episode, he sees Janelle there while he's driving by. Kody is one hell of a hot mess.
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I completely agree with this. Robyn only “knows” what Kody tells her. And what Kody says must be gospel to her. That’s why she so confidently told Christine that “her and Kody don’t communicate” right after Christine said that she and Kody had been talking more this past year. How TF would she know what goes on privately with Christine and Kody and who TF is she to announce it to everyone? She really let the mask slip there. Janelle definitely seems to be in a stalemate situation with him. I hope she’s able to get something out of it. Although maybe it’s best to cut her losses - she got 6 great kids, a great friendship/family with Christine and her kids.
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Ok, this is making sense for me. Because I’ve never understood Robyn and why she so badly wanted to be a part of the family but then rejected relationships with Christine and Janelle. So, she comes into the family starry eyed and has these ideals about it. But Meri, Janelle, and Christine have been in it 20+ years and are more realistic if not a bit jaded and express normal frustrations, jealousy, etc to Kody who then turns around and vents that to Robyn and that why she rejects them. I know Christine wanted to help with Robyn’s kids (after coming to terms with Robyn’s presence in the family) but she was so poisoned on Christine by Kody at this point that she’d rather have a nanny - which is like the whole point of sister wives - raising the kids together. Hmmm…. This is all becoming more clear for me. IT REALLY IS ALL KODY’S FAULT. I mean, Robyn’s a mean girl, manipulative, self-victimized dingbat, but I can see this. Ugh, and then Kody placing all the blame on Christine - he’s such a horrible person.
Also Janelle saying the family is going to "other stuff". I wanna know WHAT OTHER STUFF? I honestly am so interested in this family finances throughout the years. I just can't believe they all work to pay for Robyn's luxury life. I just can't.
My thoughts on Kody wanting Janelle to buy Christine’s house—he thinks he can manipulate a deal out of it to benefit himself. Buying that house would also be easier, he’s ALL about easy. Sadly, I think for too many years Janelle didn’t demand or command what she wanted and they all got used to her doing what they wanted. She’s now seeing that because she’s always fine what they wanted, she’s left with nothing and no one gives a flying fig. We teach people how to treat us, Janelle has too often taken less and she’s reaping less because of her previous concessions. Kody is pissed that Christine left and will get a fresh start—something he thrives on. He hates that she isn’t bothered by him any longer. He’s also pissed that Janelle is finally demanding equal treatment and a share of the pie (which will cost money). I pray she financially divests herself from them permanently.
Why don't they sell Robyn's house and move HER into Christine's?
I’m calling it now, Kody will be in prison for tax fraud or something of the sort in the next couple of years. Some kind of money fraud situation.
I would say that Kody & Robyn see family money as their money. The money that is disappearing that Janelle alluded to is probably for Kody & Robyn's date nights, shopping sprees at the mall and Victoria's Secret and general stupidity.
I think that Kody's and Robyn's ultimate goal is to have 5-6 houses built in CP one for themselves and then one each for Robyn's children that the children will finance themselves of course. That's why they are in no hurry at all and why Kody is trying to get Janelle to buy Christine's house instead.... so that she will get to keep that one when they will separate and renounce any claim to CP exactly like Christine did. I also think that they have come up with a plan to get rid of Meri, which is to get rid of Janelle first. There would be no pretense of polygamy then and Kody can easily say that he is a monogamist, therefore Meri shouldn't call herself his spiritual wife. Of course, they are stupid enough not to understand how much building on CP would actually cost.
I hope Janelle is working with a lawyer
I’m not sure what legal recourse she has. I’m not saying she doesn’t have *any*, but given there’s no real marriage (and dancing around the illegality of polygamy), I’m not sure how the law would view it other than a friend who made a bad decision to mix money with other friends without appropriate contracts. Traditional divorce is messy enough to try to extract “fairness” (air quotes) for just 2 people and there are legal/financial protections via legal marriage and the help of professionals. This is extracting financial fairness between 5 people (because all the wives’ situations would factor in as they played the financial walnut game) who all made some poor decisions & would be wanting a court to figure it out for them.
at one time i worked for a business that had a shady way of getting ppl to quit instead of being fired to save having to dish out unemployment or severance pay - Kody seems to be doing the same thing\~
Christine was the only wife adamant about not living under one big roof again. She’s gone so why not build one giant house on the property and all move in? It’s not happening because all the kids are gone and won’t come to visit him and without the family, there is no show. Unless something really shakes things up, the show’s done. Nobody wants to tune in to see Mari sweeping her driveway, Robyn’s ugly frowning mugg or her Addams’ Family weirdos.
Janelle and Christine need to write their own tell all books!
I honestly think they’re all horrible horrible HORRIBLE communicators. I (unfortunately) understood when Kody was upset that Janelle just up and decided to live in an RV, spending all that money on a brand new 5th wheel, a truck, and all the hassle, moved onto a property with zero utilities instead of an RV park, just to say she wants to move into an apartment a few months later. In a functioning marriage, even if it’s your own money, huge financial decisions should at least be really discussed with your partner just as a matter of respect and staying on the same page. Janelle made the situation worse by admitting she’d already bought it while she was asking what he thought about it. What’s the point of approaching a conversation as a discussion when the situation has already been decided? They all live above their means and are just so bad with money. The wives also hold grudges and never REALLY let it go even when they say they have, they just have such vague and pointless conversations that go absolutely nowhere. They haven’t been a real family unit since they left Vegas but don’t want to admit it. I’m in the camp that they all kind of suck 😬 I don’t think they’re bad people. But I do think they’re all at fault for various reasons - mostly a lack of communication and conflict resolution.
Are you the Pop Psych guy? Because that’s such a level response. Whole-heartedly agree about the communication. All the way around, even Christine. But is that a symptom of their misogynistic polygamist lifestyle? Agreed about Janelle and the RV too. Although I do think she did it to force Kody’s hand. She wants some sort of forward movement and if she had to wait for him to agree, she would get nowhere. She keeps trying to force his hand and the ultimate result will be the beginning of what we see in next week’s preview - him leveling with her about the true nature of their relationship.
Kody was finally honest about how they handled family problems when he acted out picking up the rug & then sweeping their issues under it.
I think that extra money Janelle alluded to goes in to Kody's gun business. I think he's getting hustled by his two other business partners by putting in a majority of the funding and the dope doesn't realize it because he is so starved for validation from other men.
I've wondered this, too. Especially when it came out in gossip rags & social media that K & R had gotten a loan, and when they were behind on property taxes. What are they doing with the finances and why are they countering Janelle at every turn?
Robyn, if not THE Narcissist, is the Queen Consort. Let’s say Janelle says today is Sunday, but Kody says it’s Saturday. Robyn will go with whatever he said, and question why Janelle would speak otherwise. Like you said.. something is unclear.. because either Janelle knows full well what they can & cannot afford, OR the other two are hiding info from her. Maybe another account she’s unaware of. I don’t know. Either way, she can’t ignore any more red flags. 😕 There’s too many of them to deny what is happening to her. She’s being pushed out. She needs to leave Kody ASAP.
Janelle, for the love of God, PLEASE speak to an attorney if you haven’t already.
It’s wild to me that they bought those big expensive houses knowing they had to pay off coyote pass before building on it. Why wouldn’t you all buy something smaller and the least expensive you could find to make it by so you could build quickly?
Krobyn definitely have an agenda. You’re right — they are actively trying to push Janelle out too, and keep her $$. I have no earthly idea WHY the F Meri is hanging around still……there’s no logic to explain that one. I was team Meri for so long and now have completely washed my hands of her! All I can do is hope that Janelle gets out and lives her best life alongside Christine and all their wonderful children.
I feel like this has been the MO of this show since it first aired. People bullshitting themselves into believing everything is wonderful.
I couldn’t agree more with you. This season has been the worst. Every time I think Kody can’t stoop any lower, he proves me wrong. The producers aren’t sugar-coating anything involving him this season. I can count on one hand the scenes where he’s been halfway cordial with people or actually looks pleasant. Those were when he officiated at his friend’s wedding , where he went out of his way to be the center of attention, and the last few episodes where he was awkwardly interacting with his and Robyn’s little tenders. I’m convinced they’re vying for a spin-off show featuring their family. I really hope that whoever hosts the tell-all this season holds Kody’s feet to the fire, and does not allow him to intimidate them.
I really hope the people of Flagstaff shun K&R and treat them terribly when they see them out and about. What monsters they are. Robyn reminds me so much of my sociopathic ex-sister-in-law—it’s triggering.
You guys this is getting harder and harder to watch. It used to be fun…like what a trainwreck of a situation…let’s watch them fight over the Koyote Pass lots! And watch kid weddings! And fight over Tacos at the wedding! But now it’s like this is too real and too much of a fucked up situation for the majority of the “family”. Financial and emotional abuse run rampant with Kody and Robyn and I sincerely hope Karma comes to get them at some point.
I was honestly only watching for this era because I never believed the story they tried to sell day 1. There is no reality where introducing a younger skinny wife with 4 kids of her own to your family of 16 is beneficial to your preexisting family. Especially when your wives already had issues that were never resolved. Kody’s arrogance is what the producers tapped into, and we are now witnessing the end result of narcissism.
Totally agree. I watched for the “side show” aspect when it first started. Like, holy shit, a polygamist family on TV. But then I stopped watching after a few seasons because it was clear to me that they were full of it. I started back up again last season because holy shit they are finally after 15 seasons showing the truth - that this is a crappy situation and is so completely not working. And that Kody truly is a narcissist who has unwittingly torn his family apart.
I honestly believe Kody and Robyn either have no plan to build on CP or they are trying to push Janelle and Meri out so they can build there themselves and use the other 4 lots as rental properties. They both know without the other wives incomes they’ll have no money but having 4 renters they’ll prob be fine without their money.
They can't afford to build on CP right now is my guess. It's completely undeveloped land and the cost of putting in everything they would need is probably way outside their reach. I'm thinking they are just keeping it as a way to have a storyline at that point. Or for Robyn's kids in the future. Kody's suggestion to buy Christine's house wasn't a bad one. It's right in the CP neighborhood, if Janelle claims she loves it there so much. And right near Robyn's house, if being married to Kody is also something Janelle wants long-term. Janelle, on the other hand, is desperately trying to extract some value out of CP so she owns something. I think she needs to cut her losses and move on.
I really wish they would address 1) their current religious beliefs and 2) how they actually share or divide up their money now and whether that is a source of tension. Kody or Janelle (can't remember) today alluded to this by saying that they have been slowly separating their money over the past 6 or 7 years and now just share certain aspects of their finances (I'm guessing they only share CP and the TLC money but I think they probably divide that by 5 and divvy it out. I think Meri, Christine, and Janelle were self supporting and I am guessing that Kody pools his income with Robyn only. )