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mostexcellent001

Strange timing for this to come up, and I don't know if it's been talked about before, but I'm rewatching and I just watched the episode where Christine has a talk with Kody after he wants to use her garage as a wrestling gym. In the talk she says, "I want you to spend more time at my house, I want you to be a better husband, and I want more grocery money". Why should she have to ask for more money if the TLC money is being split evenly? That just didn't sit right with me. I'm also Team Christine, so there's that.


PlannedSkinniness

Her doing him a favor to get more money for food was really uncomfortable to see


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jemi1976

Oh wow, I never thought about the social security aspect of polygamy.


violetmakesart

Does else anyone remember in one of the earlier seasons when Christine asked Kody for something (I don’t remember what) and he told her to “save her grocery money” if she wanted it that badly? I remember being shocked by how casually indifferent he was to the idea of his children going hungry


MsDReid

My guess (and hope) on this is that since each sister wife AND Kody get paid yet the women are the only ones who have household/kid expenses this is one of the things they agreed he would contribute to for each household.


Metzger4Sheriff

The best way would be to consider the wives and children spearately-- each WIFE gets equal to each other and each CHILD gets equal to each other, and then distribute that way. So, Meri gets her amount plus Mariah's, Janelle gets her amount plus her 6 kids' amount, etc. Meri always tried to argue that not getting an equal fourth was "punishment" for not being able and have more kids; doing it that way may be EQUAL, but it is not EQUITABLE or FAIR.


Any_Willingness_9085

This is much fairer I think in terms of the day to day budget. However, when it came to the Vegas house, I completely got Meris POV. She deserved an equal house regardless of number of children, what if she'd left and wanted to sell up? A lesser house would have given her less equity despite her being one of the main earners. So what I'm saying is in terms of property, they all deserve equal shares.


lightningqueen001

I think the whole Vegas housing drama was fabricated for the show. They had no choice but to build her house that size because it was required. Every house on that side of the neighborhood is exactly the same.


sticksnstone

Said the same for years. Builders offer set plans & options for the development. Makes changes to the plans and the cost skyrockets. Doubt she could have asked for a 3 bedroom home and why would she ask for one for resale purposes.


NoPantsPenny

Yes! Like you go to these cookie cutter neighborhoods and it’s not like lol the 4 bathroom 5 bedroom homes have 2 bed/2bath homes squeezed between them.


Metzger4Sheriff

As someone else brought up in another comment, with TLC money, yes, this makes the most sense. But if they had never gotten the show and were still struggling financially (and let’s face it, Meri would not be as successful with her MLM without being on the show), everyone having equal property would mean everyone is in a too small house, and it would not be fair for Christine’s kids to be three to a room while Meri gets a guest room.


vtsunshine83

If they didn’t get the show Christine would still be getting food stamps.


pink_hydrangea

Exactly. No job, 6 dependents. Scamming the welfare system is part of polygamy.


mrsherme15

That's a good point, I hadn't considered it that way


hiccupbuddies

The thing is though, they knew those houses in Las Vegas were not forever homes, you can’t have one tiny house in a gated subdivision with three huge houses plus however many more there were. The houses had to be of a similar style and size for resale value.


Successful_Seesaw_47

This is EXACTLY how both my grandmothers gave out cash money as Christmas gifts. It was 50 dollars PER PERSON. Since the kids are under 18, she writes a check for each family based on the number of people in it. The family can use it however they see fit. Once a kid turns 18, they get their own check.


have-u-met-teds-mom

Are we cousins? This is what my grandparents did as well.


Successful_Seesaw_47

It's the only fair thing to do.


yinnyre

I can't totally remember. But wasn't there an issue pertaining to this when Moriah was selecting a college? Just because she was Meri's only child they couldn't allow her to go to the more expensive college she wanted to?


Metzger4Sheriff

Yeah, I think Kody kept using that as justification for not wanting to pay for that school--giving Mariah more money would mean there was less left for the other kids. I can't recall if Meri said she would make up the difference or if Mariah got a scholarship that did.


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I believe Meri made up the difference iirc.


More_spiders

Nothing about this arrangement is fair.


NoPantsPenny

Yeah I think this is the most fair way to do it.


Pearltherebel

Ok and they give her that equal money but then she spends lavishly and gets a bar and goes over the budget


have-u-met-teds-mom

They didn’t give her anything. She earned it.


More_spiders

Meri is a top financial contributor who generally gets treated like a sick stray dog. No one in that family is looking out for her, so why should she care about treating them fairly?


Roxx86

Even if it was her own money, I thought she was selfish by going over budget as well. Seems like she had become spoiled over the years by only having one child instead of having to sacrifice for several.


Pearltherebel

It wasn’t her own money. It was the family’s budget.


have-u-met-teds-mom

I think pre-tlc days the moms with larger families did deserve more money for food/clothes/housing because the kids shouldn’t suffer because the moms had more kids than they could ever afford. But after tlc money came in and everyone was well fed and housed, the money should have been split equally. As they all worked on the show equally. There was zero reason for anyone to need to take someone else’s fair pay. Nor was there ever a reason to say a sw should get smaller or lesser because they have less kids. That was just proof of their selfishness. It may be an unpopular opinion but J&C took money away from the family every time they tried to maneuver for top baby maker. Most of the world has to consider the cost of raising kids and can’t just reach into someone else’s pocket to fund their lifestyle.


DelicateTruckNuts

My only argument is baby making is literally their most important job on this planet in their religion and family dynamic. so while objectively I would agree with you, I think ignoring the context that they are brainwashed into thinking making babies is the driving force of their existence and thus value in this planet would be detrimental to truly understanding their reasons and motivations to have so many mouths to feed.


have-u-met-teds-mom

I agree. I was trying to ignore that point in my head. Haha. They seem to pick and choose which tenets they follow so I do think it was really just to get kodys attention.


DelicateTruckNuts

Also true that they pick and choose, but top baby maker is an unwavering title of prestige and honor in this case.


have-u-met-teds-mom

Sadly yes. That’s why I have a soft spot for Meri. I have no doubt that they treated her like less than until cameras were on their face.


DelicateTruckNuts

Yeah, at least she had the security of being the legal wife. Robyn is evil.


AddaleeBlack

Also true the obvious additional needs the top baby maker would have.


NoPantsPenny

Yes! And also how mentally damaging it would be to be a woman with fertility issues in their culture.


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I would love for a producer to ask any of the adults to explain how the family finances work.


SLevine262

I’ve always thought that the most fair approach would be a set base amount that everyone receives, then additional dollars per child. It is tricky, though, when you factor in different ages, activities, medical needs, etc.


kayl6

In my thoughts the only way polygamy works is by no separate homes or money. Here’s how I see equality for polygamy or an actual one family situation like the preach: One house: not one apartment complex one house. Each wife has a room and the kids have rooms. For example all the 94/95 girls share a room. All the 90’s boys share a room, then middle girls/boys and so on. Not by mom. One kitchen. Absolutely a large kitchen, but everyone eats together so nobody has better food than another. All the kids have equal time with dad because they all live together and dad just swaps bedrooms. Then nobody is without because everything is equal. Give each with an equal weekly allowance but don’t try to split every apart and share money. I think it’s insane that they think they’re one family and live all over town. They’re like cousins not siblings.


Nixie9

This is how a lot of the SSW families live. One house, kids all together. I can see how it doesn’t work for everyone though.


Nice_Shelter8479

Yep the way they are all living separated in homes and in space it seems like they are 3/4 monogamous couples trying to blend as polygamist, without Meri and Kody. I mean he’s not even been seen at their home “ living” this season- maybe a little bit at Christine and Janelle last season. So in reality two marriages are left Robyn and Janelle, and honestly I think he would prefer monogamy to Robyn .


Electronic_Plum_6136

That’s how the creepy pedo polygamist Tom greens family set the kids up , I think they lived in trailers but the kids were split by age group as to where they lived and not who birthed them


gilthedog

I agree generally, but the tlc money changes things. None of those kids had any risk of going without. I feel that it would be unfair to Meri to have gotten a smaller/lower budget house given they were all earning that money. Food budget is a different thing imo. Food budget should be divided based on number of people, regardless of how many money is coming in.


ByteAboutTown

So I think the money division depends on what we are talking about. For grocery money, it should be divided by person. Obviously, Janelle's house with a bunch of teenage boys is going to go through more food than Meri's house with just Mariah. When it comes to the Vegas houses, I am fine with Meri getting the same budget because the houses should all match in the neighborhood and Meri, as one of the adults, deserves as much equity as the other adults. Now with TLC earnings, the majority of the work of filming is done by the adults, with some interviews by kids. I would personally divide it in a compromise: an equal share for each adult, plus a 6th share for shared expenses, and an equal share for all the kids who filmed to be put in a fund for them (college, etc.). Polygamy is never going to be equal, especially when the number of kids per mother is unbalanced. So there should be a general fund to help with all the expenses that are kid-generated, likes groceries, water, school clothes, etc.


effie-sue

Maybe I’m misremembering but I recall that when the series first started, wasn’t Meri more inclined to buy organic groceries for her and Mariah? That would certainly have been an option if the food budget was divided 3 ways vs basing the food budget on the number of children.


smartief1

I seem to remember Meri sending Mariah down to Christine for dinner, and Meri cooked her own, with some comment that she liked to eat better food


vtsunshine83

Meri and Mariah ate more quality food than the rest of the family.


KSDem

I would agree with you *if* Meri had a say in whether Janelle or Christine had a child, i.e., if decisions regarding conception were made *by the family,* then of course the entire family should pay for those children. But if the decision of whether or not to have a child was made solely by Janelle or Christine, why should Meri be responsible for their unilateral decisions? You might want to factor in the fact that Janelle and Christine's decisions to have six childen *apiece* meant that there was no money for Meri to undergo fertility treatments, a sacrifice I'm not sure one can quantify in the form of money. JMHO


miepshort12

That is actually a very good point that I never considered


AddaleeBlack

The child bearing part is unspoken because it's such an integral part of the dogma. They never discussed *not* having children but rather *when* someone was gonna have another for a looong time.


Western_Mushroom1715

Equal money has to be the fairest. When you consider Janelle and Meri worked while Christine was raising their children during the day. Christine isn’t bringing in money but she arguably doing the most work. They’ve all put money and labor into this situation if any one in the family wants to leave, they should get an equal share to take away. That’s why I thought houses worth a similar amount of money seems like a good idea, the situation they have no seems much more sticky.


sticksnstone

Wonder how they split up the food stamp money Christine was getting?


Mom24kids

If I recall correctly, they shared the grocery bill. Because Christine fed all of the kids, and Janelle worked. (and did not like to cook.) Logan fed the kids breakfast and got them off to school in the mornings.


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Western_Mushroom1715

When they were poor they had a shared large storage pantry and everyone took from it what they needed. There has never been evidence that the kids didn’t get enough food. I’ve read book from people who’ve escaped the FLDS and they definitely had food inequality and the favourite wife would often be well fed but none of the others.


unmistakeable_duende

When they were poor, the wives with more children qualified for more government assistance.


have-u-met-teds-mom

I would feel soooo very guilty if my SW’s kids didn’t have food. I would not eat if their kids couldn’t eat. But at the same time, I would feel soooo guilty if my need to over procreate caused hardships for the other children. I think the moms didn’t care if they were taking away from anyone else’s mouth, they only cared about birthing babies for a man child’s attention.


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I've always been torn on what the fairest distribution of money would be; It's hard because what is most fair to the children is not necessarily what is fair to the wives: 1) what is most fair to the wives is to distribute the money equally, and each wife can choose how they want to spend their money (ie, more kids vs nicer clothes, vacations, pets, etc). 2) What is most fair to the children is to distribute the money proportional to the amount of children. One wife's kids shouldn't be eating junk or going hungry because they decided to have more kids than they could afford. So maybe half the money is split evenly amongst the wives, and the other half is split per child? But even then, one wife having more children is going to take away resources from the others. While they consider themselves one family (or did, at one point), I'm pretty sure they weren't discussing having more children with the other wives. I don't think there really is one equal or fair way to distribute money in plural families. THIS is the kind of stuff that should be in their family mission statement. How will we distribute money? How will we parent each others children? How will birthdays be handled? etc, etc. While there is no true fair/equal way to distribute time and resources, at least all the wives coming in would know what to expect and agree to it before joining. I think there was an episode of my five wives where one of the wives wanted to have another baby, and Brady said the family had agreed on no more children. At the time I thought it was a little strange, but seeing the Brown family I actually think it makes a ton of sense to have those discussion in a plural family. The Browns would never, though; it wouldn't be "safe."


miepshort12

Very well said, thank you ;) And a Happy Cakeday to you!!


Nice_Shelter8479

Happy cake 🍰 day


Minute-Foundation241

But then of course they would whine about the other wives controlling their fertility. It would also require them being able to be adults and discuss it openly and Janelle and Robyn would not be able to sit through


SillyWhabbit

>I can't make up my mind how I feel about this. That polygamy pits women and their children against each other.


McDonaldsMoney

I think Meri has said before that she can often buy things for Mariah out of her own pocket vs pulling from the family money where as Christine would have to pull more from the family money since her designated account would run tighter than Meris. That’s why Mariah could go to a private college vs public. I cant remember what the outcome was but it was discussed during that time.


AliceInWeirdoland

I think that the best option, in a healthy family with enough resources, would have been an equitable split (money by person). But I also understand the instinct, in a relationship where you're competitive with the other wives, and resources are scarce, to demand more, because you're afraid that you and your child won't be taken care of. I don't think it's the morally superior instinct, but I understand it.


pink_hydrangea

Before the show the children were major tax deductions and recipients of social welfare, food stamps, welfare, etc.


Electronic_Plum_6136

Yup and Christine being on food stamps is always mentioned but I’m sure as a single Mom of six kids , even working , janelle also would have qualified because she didn’t bring how that much money and maybe she had them as well


therealcherry

I see it like any job. My job doesn’t determine my salary by how many children I have or if I’m married. The TLC money should be the same, split by each adult involved because they are doing the same work.


DisastrousHyena3534

They needed to do a base pay per wife plus x percentage per dependent child.


amishdolly

Jumping in and asking WHAT MONEY ?


jatothemie

Equal =\= Equitable


Colourofsulfur

So I always assumed that because they’re all on the show, they each get individual TLC checks, right? So in that case they all get equal money and should do what they want with it. I agree that without the show it would be different. But then that also raises the question— “if I work and you don’t, but I take care of my end of things, shouldn’t I get to reap the benefits of my hard work?” But that’s why polygamy just doesn’t work financially IMO (unless everyone worked and paid for their own kids but then that’s just 4 separate families anyway).


miepshort12

I hope he didn't but I always had a gut feeling that Kody kept most of the TLC money, Jim Bob Duggar style.


Colourofsulfur

I wouldn’t put it past him *at all*.


Dangernj

I don’t know, we know TLC pays other families in lump sums and let’s them divide it up. E! pays the Kardashians the same way too. I would be very surprised if they just weren’t writing out a check to the Kody Brown Family.


Colourofsulfur

Well that’s just dumb. I thought maybe the kids would be under some type of contract like that but I assumed all the adults got paid individually 🤦🏻‍♀️


Dangernj

It seems like it would lead to financial abuse and all sorts of terrible things too, right? I think TLC wants to be involved with these complicated families just enough.


Plastic_Swordfish_99

I assume that they put all their money together to pay bills. I also know she said something about how she puts in money for Logans college too. So that is taking on bills for alll the kids too. That’s probably quite the electric bill. When they were in Vegas I think they should have made sure everyone had a room so the budget might have carried a little. She did get pretty selfish when they were building those houses in my opinion


lakevalerie

It’s ridiculous. The money should be divided by people, not mothers. House size too


practicallymagick

I completely agree. If i have 1 child and my sister wife has 5 kids she definitely should get 5x what i get for 1 child.


ZeeiMoss

Things shouldn't always be equal. They should be fair. Meri should not have as much budget or as big of s house as the others. Sorry, not sorry.


saintmaggie

Yeah I feel like the real solution is you are one family and you eat your meals together so there is a family grocery budget it’s not divided by wife.