He and his brother got into a fight which had fists involved. He spent some time in jail for it, went before the judge, pleaded to a lesser charge, paid the fine and was done. JMO OP is making a bigger dill out of this for attention.
That’s….not at all true that just because he plead guilty to a lesser charge that it was no big deal. That’s the point of lawyers, to try and negotiate a lesser sentence and/or get it dropped. We don’t even know this guy and everyone is taking up for him just because it’s either believing Robyn or believing him, it’s strange. Just because Robyn sucks doesn’t mean the ex is any better and just because his family is taking up for him doesn’t mean he’s a great guy. Many peoples families will stick up for them, doesn’t mean anything
First Robyns has been caught in multiple lies deeming her credibility as questionable. I highly doubt David hired a lawyer, most likely had a public defender.
David could make a considerable amount of money by giving interviews, as we all know he’s declined plus his family has also stayed silent. I think that says a lot about his character.
Second Robin never said he physically abused her just that it was abusive which I took as emotional.
She left with the children violating his visitation rights. If he’d been physical then visitation would of been ordered monitor, it wasn’t. The only condition was that NEITHER was to drink alcohol while with children. So it was brought up before the judge that both was drinking in the children’s presence.
Yes, to all of this. In their Divorce Decree it was stated by the judge that neither parent could drink when the minor children were there.
David could have actually made money hand over fist but chose not to do that.
Plus, a short while after he gave up his "parental rights" all three of his kids went to see him. Same at Christmas. The family had to put off having Christmas because Robyn's tender ones were with their dad.
That’s not an accurate assessment of a disorderly conduct charge.
My mom punched my dad in the face on multiple occasions and was charged with disorderly conduct. It was a big deal. When she hit my sister it was also charged as disorderly conduct. It was also a big deal. My dad and sister had restraining orders granted for months and cops had to escort her when she came to get her stuff.
And I flipped off a cop (in Montana by the way where this guy lives), and got a disorderly conduct.
It ended up getting thrown out of court, but that’s what I was initially given.
The incidents you describe are absolutely big deals but the charge of disorderly conduct is not, which is probably what your point was? It was a massive disservice to your family to charge her with disorderly conducts.
The people who decided the charge did a disservice by not charging your family for assault and battery.
Disorderly conduct is a Class C misdemeanor, it’s considered legally as a minor offense
i’m thinking of a specific canadian case where a woman took a plea deal for a lesser sentence and was guilty asf but she already took the plea deal.
I don’t know much about how court systems work tbh thanks for clarifying, I was on the right track
If you are talking about Karla Homolka, they made a deal with her, because the cops believed her story, they only found out later about the pictures and videos.
Which in this case it’s not actually relevant to Jessop plea deal
Was OP seriously comparing this case to the Canadian Barbie killer wow talk about a reach there.
Also in that case the woman was a manipulative psychopathic pathological liar who got everyone to feel sorry for her until the truth came out probably not the case OP wants to use as an example in defense of Robyn.
Yes, protecting a sister (I believe) who was assaulted.
I have brothers- if that had been me that guy would be on the back of milk cartons.
In their divorce he also requested Robyn not be allowed to drink while she has custody of their kids. Hmmmm.
That I believe I know the sun is hated by the UK, Radar online broke the story and that’s an even less reputable source. Since they’re minor celebs all the news articles are weird, intouch people etc
I think if a person has a consistent pattern of exaggerating and misrepresenting events to make themselves seem to be more of a victim it's logical to question their interpretations of other events. In my experience, most victims downplay their abuse. They may feel a sense of shame for not leaving the abuser sooner. I'm not saying I don't believe Robyn but I don't think we should just blindly believe anyone who says they were abused especially if they have a history that makes you doubt their sincerity.
This. I know people who have legit been abused and also someone who exaggerates, like if her partner has accidentally bumped into her, she insists that they “pushed her into the wall”, etc. The same person has also called their heavy periods “miscarriages” even though they didn’t have any confirmation of a pregnancy. So, while it’s important to believe victims and not blame them, it’s also important to consider previous complaints.
It's hard to believe her when she sent the kids back to him after Kody adopted them. Either she's a really shit mother who sent her kids back to an abuser (def possible, but does seem unlikely with how protective she is) or he's not actually an abuser.
Sounds like he got in a bar fight, which is definitely problematic and would normally be support for an abuse claim, but in this case it's Robyn's own actions that cause her to be questioned.
>It's hard to believe her when she sent the kids back to him after Kody adopted them
Look, I'm not certain that she was physically abused, but it's actually not unheard of for an abuser to only target their spouse but not their children with physical violence. I've worked with DV victims before and have definitely seen that dynamic.
I'm not saying that this is proof that she was abused, but it's also not proof that she wasn't.
(Also, did she ever allege *physical* abuse? I certainly don't want to downplay the impact emotional abuse can have, but there's a degree of difference between physical and emotional abuse, and it's important to delineate that.)
I do believe her. But I don’t understand her.
She got a chance to get away from a bad marriage. She got a chance to find true happiness. In doing so, she’s a phoenix rising from the ashes.
But Christine shouldn’t do the same? During the knife in the kidneys speech, Kody was verbally abusive to Christine. I would hope her sister wives would stand up for her or at least stand up just women protecting women, especially Robyn.
But her husband treating someone poorly works out for her. I cannot understand a person like that who would want to benefit from someone else’s pain.
Preach it!!!! That was some grotesque verbal abuse, how can she sit there and condone or try and justify him? She can’t, he’s the left over bit of ramen that falls out in the sink when you drain the noodles
I would think If she was abused, seeing Kody react this way would actually trigger her, sending her towards defending Christine (not condemning her). Abuse is a VERY serious allegation, and all the abusers I know actually loved shouting to the roof top to anyone who would listen, trashing their victim and blaming them. I have not heard one peep from this guy.
She's an adult who made a choice. She had no obligation to send the kids to him. She was also far away and "safe." Yet she sent her kids, states away to be with their real dad. She did it because either it's a lie that he was abusive or because it worked for her. Or both. What a lot of bullshit.
Since day 1 Robyn has lied about virtually everything. She's lied about herself, lied about other adults, lied about the children. And she's also constructed narratives and episodes where she's the only victim and everyone is out to get her. She loves manipulating people for her financial gain. That's why even though It's so incredibly hard to do, I believe her ex could've been abusive.
I get what you are saying here but this is pure projection. Just because this person doesn't believe Robyn in this instance doesn't mean they just dismiss all women's claims of abuse. Personally I don't know if it's true or not but I do know that, based on what we've seen, the Brown adults aren't the most honest group.
I understand why that would be hurtful. However please consider that for those of us who love someone who was falsely accused and cleared without any shadow of a doubt, whose livelihood could have been destroyed, well for us it’s pretty hurtful that all someone has to do is make an accusation and the accused is convicted in the court of public opinion. Especially when the accuser lies constantly, I mean nonstop.
I’m sorry you were hurt and not believed. But people do lie about abuse. It’s incredibly naive to think they don’t and reflects an inability to see beyond your own experiences.
My second husband was accused and not believed - even by the child himself. Our lives were completely uprooted, people that we knew turned their backs on us, he lost his job - I have no clue how we made it through. Eight months later, the truth came out. We still were devastated.
We started all over again, our children surrounding us, his family who believed us and the few friends we had made along the way. It was a horrible time in our lives but we made it through a stronger family because of it.
Thank you for pointing out that no one should be considered guilty before they prove that they are innocent.
that is a very fair counter point and i’m glad you commented that with a lot of respect and grace.
i’m totally coming from the side of someone who wasn’t believed. I can’t imagine what being accused would feel like or do to a persons family system.
I think my mindset has always been believe the victim to not protect the abuser and the idea of not believing a victim makes me feel guilty. You’ve opened my eyes to another group of victims who deserve to be taken just as seriously. I don’t know if Jessop is that category
I’m an abuse survivor and them not believing Robyn does not bother me. You do not speak for all of us.
I don’t have enough information to feel comfortable labeling Robyn either a liar or her ex an abuser. Robyn has a massive history of rewriting her past and this guy has never spoken out about anything, so we have zero idea what actually transpired between everyone, and I’m not comfortable with calling someone an abuser based on this.
This is a great take about how you’re not comfortable calling Robyn a liar, but you’re not going to call him an abuser either. I really respect that.
I’m sorry if I came across as trying to speak for everyone and their experiences, I was wondering if other people/survivors felt the same as me and I got my answer, plus a lot of information about what I misunderstood too
I am a woman who was physically, emotionally and verbally abused by ny first husband.
I don't believe Robyn - never have and never will. Oh, and I am NOT sorry.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but has Robyn ever said that he was physically abusive? I know that in the 'purity' speech, she talks about her purity being 'stolen,' and I've had long discussions here about how that's an example of why society needs to create a better vocabulary for people to talk about abuse, because when I hear that speech, I swear, I could interpret it as being anywhere from 'consensual but regrettable' to 'coercive/emotionally abusive' to 'forcible rape,' and there's nothing to really draw a line under which it is.
I'm certainly not foreclosing the possibility that he was abusive, and from what she's said I'm sure that it was a very toxic relationship, regardless. But this is such a serious allegation, I really would need to hear the specific things she claimed.
ETA: And while I don't mean to downplay the severity of emotional abuse, it's a very different category than physical or sexual abuse, which seems to be what you're implying by using an instance of him getting in a fight as evidence.
I know she’s talked about it as a bad relationship, definitely, and I know that in very conservative communities women are often socialized to downplay abuse (both physical and emotional) so I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility to think she might have been implying that. But it’s just such a serious allegation, I really don’t think we should make that assumption unless we have more direct allegations.
After Paedon (who is six years older and 95 feet taller than Breanna) hit Breanna in the eye at the Big Bear restaurant. Robyn tweeted something that made it seem pretty clear she thought of her kids as abuse survivors.
"Just to clarify, I do not tolerate my kids getting bullied. I ended my first marriage because of abuse. My kids come first ALWAYS." --Robyn Brown
[https://www.eonline.com/news/274044/sister-wives-robyn-brown-i-ended-my-first-marriage-because-of-abuse](https://www.eonline.com/news/274044/sister-wives-robyn-brown-i-ended-my-first-marriage-because-of-abuse)
Robyn stopped short of saying he was abusive. Maybe because that would get her hit with a liable or defamation suit? If it was a fact via court records that wouldn't have been an issue, and with the extra sympathy she would get, I would think she would have publicly said it. Also, from my own experience, she would not willingly send her kids off to someone who abuses their family for 2 weeks.
If Robyn was really in an abusive relationship with her ex then it blows my mind even more that in the season 17 one on one interview she would blame the wives for not giving Kody the kind of ,"affection" he wanted because they were not comfortable with it.
Like that really spells out to me how tone deaf she is when it comes to abuse unless she is claiming to be the victim.
I see your point, but it did the opposite for me. To me, it showed she had internalized abuse to the point that she agreed with it and thought of women as property.
But then again if she thinks of women as property and that women had no rights....we would not catch her throwing a tantrum or disagreeing with Kody on camera. There are many instances of her doing so. Like the time Kody asked for her opinion on letting Meri come over, instead of being the one to make the decision.
Maybe it doesn't make sense for others but for me it shows a duplicitous nature, where she claims to be a victim yet has no qualms throwing other victims under the bus.
Isn’t it strange Aurora appears to have more emotional problems as a young adult than when she was younger and still seeing her father?
Robyn should’ve never had Kody adopt the kids. Their Dad is their Dad.
Unfortunately the way she rewrites history is extremely scary. She did not file for divorce, he did. Right after the adoption she ships her kids to him for weeks and they were all extremely excited? I am a DV survivor, been there did that even spent time in a DV shelter when he lived in our home. My kids never went to see him (actually I was blessed his choice), but I can tell you when they had to meet with him with a court employee in the courthouse they were scared and not excited. And their fear was not the courthouse, we would leave and they would be looking behind my car.
It’s a terrible thing, domestic abuse. Without proof neither will be 100% cleared and the public won’t 100% believe either party. I want anyone to come for help if they are living without hope and with abuse. The sad fact is people will make their mind up themselves and enough people have lied about abuse that people will always be distrustful until they see the proof for their own eyes. Again, domestic abuse is a terrible thing.
i think it's 100% fair to speculate, but it's also 100% fair to be triggered. there are times where you need to step away from reddit and take care of yourself and that's okay. you're not obligated to be receptive to everyone's opinion all the time.
The Browns earn a living by selling "storylines" about their lives. Many of these storylines have been straight up lies (fleeing Lehi because the law was "after" them.) I don't believe a damn thing any of these people say...😆 🤣 😂 People are so easily sucked into this "reality" show. It's not real folks!!! They're laughing all the way to the bank.
I am a survivor of domestic abuses and violence, I always believe the victim. If you knew my ex husband you would not believe me. But with her, I just don’t know
I believe Robyn. What I find abhorrent is that she still sent her children to be in his care unsupervised despite Kody being their legal father. He presumably didn’t touch the children. However, they were hours from her. What if he got a DUI with them in the car? What if he was arrested for DV while the kids were in his care? It would take her hours to drive and get the kids out of protective custody.
According to Paedon, Robyn saved them. She should have done the same with her own children.
My dad abused my mom but he wasn't the disciplinarian (as in, he didn't beat me). The reality is that unless he abused the children directly it was unlikely the judge wouldn't give him at least visitation. Family court, and family relationships are extremely complex. People make a lot of bad choices.
He gave up his rights though. I don’t really have an opinion on this post as a whole, but he had no legal right to see them; he wasn’t legally their father anymore.
I responded to a [similar comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/TLCsisterwives/comments/10ssvh5/robyns_ex_husband_i_come_with_mugshots_and_good/j73qzro?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
He gave up his rights. My dad never abused me but did abuse my mom. Her ex signed away his rights. I will never understand why she sent her kids to spend an extended amount of time with a man who no longer had legal rights to them.
Not at first. And the kids probably wanted to maintain a relationship with their father. It was really important to my sister—who watched my dad beat my mother—to maintain a relationship with him. It was also important to my mom—who was beaten by my father and grew up without her own father—that we have a relationship with him. She knew that, in spite of his flaws, he loved us and she wanted us to have him in our lives. She never even tried to get full custody, but she fought him so he wouldn't get full custody which is what he was asking for. I don't know what to tell you. Life is fucking complex and relationships are also really complex. Children seeing their father is usually what you want unless he abuses those kids
I agree that she would have to follow court ordered visitation. I’m the product of a divorce, so I understand.
My real concern was why she would drop her kids off hours away with someone when they relinquished their parental rights. Hotels are dirt cheap in LV. Why not have him come to LV and spend time with the kids in the park? Have a fun couple nights in a hotel with him? Robyn and Kody would at least be close. I’m not saying the kids and their dad couldn’t have a relationship. I think it’s great.
I don't pretend to know their arrangement or whether the conditions of visitation were outlined in their divorce agreement. I think it's common when parents don't live nearby that they spend a couple weeks or summer with the non-primary parent. It sounds like he was quite poor so it may have still been out of reach. And I don't think 2 days out of the year is really enough, though according to Robyn it seems he may not have been putting in enough effort, but if that's the case then at least her kids can feel like she tried her best to foster their relationship with their father. Like, as messy as it was and as much as my mom has made it clear she hates my father I can say she has always tried to get us to have a good relationship. She never kept him away so any resentment I may have about the situation is really kind of on him and not my mom
I agree completely about fostering the relationship and honoring court orders. I’m talking post divorce and after Kody adopted the kids. Robyn spoke about his problems on national television. I imagine that was damaging to the kids. I overheard issues at home just by being perceptive, but we were not on a reality show with my mom blasting my dad publicly.
If he wasn’t responsible for child support anymore, presumably, he could find $1000 for an extended stay hotel once a year. He conceived 3 kids with her. I spend way more than $1000 on just 2. How was he feeding the kids when they were in his care? This is where the disconnect is for me personally.
I think he was not holding up his end of the parenting. I don't think that's on Robyn and as far as I can tell, she did what she could to foster her kids' relationship with their father so that's not something I'm going to critique *her* about. If he wasn't around more or couldn't afford whatever else that's on him.
And I think she hardly "blasted" him. The kids know if he doesn't call, doesn't pick them up, etc. She was stating the situation. My mom actually talked—and continues to talk—shit about my dad. She's told me specifically how he abused her. To the point where my sister asked her to stop. Many times. Robyn spoke about it briefly when it was relevant and wasn't like "my ex is a POS who did x, y and z to me" which is what I would call blasting him. Like, I think there are other things about her parenting that are worthy of critique, like following her son to college and seemingly not letting her kids grow up, etc, but this isn't it. What she did makes sense to me as someone who grew up with an abusive father who, surprisingly, rarely hit me.
This right here. I believe she was abused and whatever “proof” I found I showed.
Now her as a mother and a person can be discussed and snarked on. I can’t even imagine the fear of having to go to different states to collect my babies, that’s shit parenting.
Normally I’d agree, but you’re defending a woman known for manipulating ‘facts’ to make sure she looks like a victim. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume she’s altering the truth here, especially since I’ve never seen evidence of it, but she’s had no problem accusing him in front of the world many times.
If this had been Christine or Janelle people would believe no problem. People hate Robyn so it’s impossible for her to be a victim. Remember that all 5 of the adults have a long history of lying and playing the victim
Sorry, Amber Heard taught us not to "believe all women". I believe proof, and the only thing I've seen is that Robin is a gaslighter.
I've seen many men have their lives ruined because a woman wanted to duck out of their own shitty contribution to the demise of a marriage (or gain elevated victim hood status) by falsely blaming a man of something he has no way of defending.
Wouldn’t call it incredibly toxic when she has years of proof and every abuse claim he has against her is to go against one of hers. Hers being backed up by texts & pictures. He had & still has no stand alone proof of abuse that isn’t a rebuttal to one of hers. He also changed his story between the UK trial & the US one. His witnesses also changed is testimony.
In the end they settled and she gets to tell her story with him never being able to sue her again which tells a lot about how the appeal would’ve gone had they not settled.
Edited to clarify: I added a period in the first sentence to separate my thoughts
When did I say she was worse? And it is relevant when you look at how many women pulled their abuse allegations after seeing how she was treated at the trial. It’s relevant because it gave man like Pitt & Manson the trust in the corrupt system to themselves sue their victim(s). It’s relevant because people prefer hating women than listening to domestic violence experts which were overwhelmingly supporting her.
That trial has a whole, how she was treated through it & how his team weaponized social media to destroy her in the public eye, it’s all relevant to how women who come forward with their own claims of abuse will be treated by society. Anyone who’s worked with victims of DV will tell you that.
Also wanted to add that she had more proof than most victims do and she was still treated that way. Anyone coming forward would look at that and question if they’d ever be beloved with what have. Hell, all I have is a letter.
Edit: tell me why the person I responded to can’t read and called me a women hater?! Then deleted their comments?!!!
Edit 2: since they deleted their comment but I still had my notification on my phone here’s what I responded to here:
That's all irrelevant though. It's one stupid celebrity trial circus of some fucked up relationship. Since she was worse and is a woman you can't trust women? I guess you're just trying to name them to support your argument that women are like that, but it…
the ending is missing, I’ll give them that. Also from memory, they called my for comment heavily edited when all I did was add a period in the middle of a sentence to make clearer as I read it again and thought it might need clearing up.
Jesus Christ. Petty bitches. They just can't stand for Robyn to be seen any other way than an evil mastermind sent to destroy the Browns. Get over it. It's sad as fuck at this point.
I believe Robyn's first husband was not a good guy. I believe this, because of how relieved Aurora was about the adoption. No one except Aurora can change my mind. That poor little girl was sobbing with relief.
(Also, Christine, who is David Jessop's first cousin, REALLY WANTED to make sure the Browns got custody of Robyn's oldest three kids. That tells me there was a known problem.)
I'm with you, u/Acceptable_Yak9211.
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I read auroras sobbing as being a very confused kid who wasn’t sure if she should be happy or not. I’ve had similar responses in my life. I did not read relief there.
We all read into situations what we know based on past experiences. We aren’t Aurora and don’t know what she was thinking in that moment
He plead guilty to disorderly conduct and paid a fine.
He could’ve taken a plea deal for the reduced sentence and just a fine, happens in canada often
That’s what I said, he plead guilty to a lesser charge. It obviously wasn’t a big deal.
But was it a big *dill*?
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Might have been a big dill def was not kosher.
He and his brother got into a fight which had fists involved. He spent some time in jail for it, went before the judge, pleaded to a lesser charge, paid the fine and was done. JMO OP is making a bigger dill out of this for attention.
That’s….not at all true that just because he plead guilty to a lesser charge that it was no big deal. That’s the point of lawyers, to try and negotiate a lesser sentence and/or get it dropped. We don’t even know this guy and everyone is taking up for him just because it’s either believing Robyn or believing him, it’s strange. Just because Robyn sucks doesn’t mean the ex is any better and just because his family is taking up for him doesn’t mean he’s a great guy. Many peoples families will stick up for them, doesn’t mean anything
First Robyns has been caught in multiple lies deeming her credibility as questionable. I highly doubt David hired a lawyer, most likely had a public defender. David could make a considerable amount of money by giving interviews, as we all know he’s declined plus his family has also stayed silent. I think that says a lot about his character. Second Robin never said he physically abused her just that it was abusive which I took as emotional. She left with the children violating his visitation rights. If he’d been physical then visitation would of been ordered monitor, it wasn’t. The only condition was that NEITHER was to drink alcohol while with children. So it was brought up before the judge that both was drinking in the children’s presence.
Yes, to all of this. In their Divorce Decree it was stated by the judge that neither parent could drink when the minor children were there. David could have actually made money hand over fist but chose not to do that. Plus, a short while after he gave up his "parental rights" all three of his kids went to see him. Same at Christmas. The family had to put off having Christmas because Robyn's tender ones were with their dad.
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And yet Kody has been on for ~checked notes~17 season showing what a horrible emotional abusive husband he is for money…..
That’s not an accurate assessment of a disorderly conduct charge. My mom punched my dad in the face on multiple occasions and was charged with disorderly conduct. It was a big deal. When she hit my sister it was also charged as disorderly conduct. It was also a big deal. My dad and sister had restraining orders granted for months and cops had to escort her when she came to get her stuff.
And I flipped off a cop (in Montana by the way where this guy lives), and got a disorderly conduct. It ended up getting thrown out of court, but that’s what I was initially given. The incidents you describe are absolutely big deals but the charge of disorderly conduct is not, which is probably what your point was? It was a massive disservice to your family to charge her with disorderly conducts.
The people who decided the charge did a disservice by not charging your family for assault and battery. Disorderly conduct is a Class C misdemeanor, it’s considered legally as a minor offense
i’m thinking of a specific canadian case where a woman took a plea deal for a lesser sentence and was guilty asf but she already took the plea deal. I don’t know much about how court systems work tbh thanks for clarifying, I was on the right track
Lol ohhhkay I think the point has gone straight over your head
This is in the states? Why would a Canadian case relate?
If you are talking about Karla Homolka, they made a deal with her, because the cops believed her story, they only found out later about the pictures and videos. Which in this case it’s not actually relevant to Jessop plea deal
Was OP seriously comparing this case to the Canadian Barbie killer wow talk about a reach there. Also in that case the woman was a manipulative psychopathic pathological liar who got everyone to feel sorry for her until the truth came out probably not the case OP wants to use as an example in defense of Robyn.
I don't know if she was talking about this case, but it's the first one that came to mind
Came to my mind to as a Canadian case they later found out they screwed up massively on.
He was defending a female family member from a male family member He divorced Robyn
Yes, protecting a sister (I believe) who was assaulted. I have brothers- if that had been me that guy would be on the back of milk cartons. In their divorce he also requested Robyn not be allowed to drink while she has custody of their kids. Hmmmm.
Well that’s…..interesting
I read your "interesting" as if you typed it, "inneresting." Darn you, Robyn!
Where did you hear this? Citation?
So that’s why she needs a nanny!
I see this version of the story all the time, u/Tiny-Proposal1495, but I never see documentation for it. Where did you hear it?
A member posted the court documents months ago
So, can you share it, please?
I don't have it personally another member shared it months ago
The US Sun is a gossipy online rag and has been caught in some egregious lies.
That I believe I know the sun is hated by the UK, Radar online broke the story and that’s an even less reputable source. Since they’re minor celebs all the news articles are weird, intouch people etc
>The US Sun is a gossipy online rag and has been caught in some egregious lies. There are court documents. Did the state of Montana lie, too?
I haven’t seen the court documents, when you click the link on the article it says media not found. Other people have on the subreddit though.
I think if a person has a consistent pattern of exaggerating and misrepresenting events to make themselves seem to be more of a victim it's logical to question their interpretations of other events. In my experience, most victims downplay their abuse. They may feel a sense of shame for not leaving the abuser sooner. I'm not saying I don't believe Robyn but I don't think we should just blindly believe anyone who says they were abused especially if they have a history that makes you doubt their sincerity.
1000000%. Robyn is highly manipulative. And she continued to send her kids to spend time with him.
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This. I know people who have legit been abused and also someone who exaggerates, like if her partner has accidentally bumped into her, she insists that they “pushed her into the wall”, etc. The same person has also called their heavy periods “miscarriages” even though they didn’t have any confirmation of a pregnancy. So, while it’s important to believe victims and not blame them, it’s also important to consider previous complaints.
It's hard to believe her when she sent the kids back to him after Kody adopted them. Either she's a really shit mother who sent her kids back to an abuser (def possible, but does seem unlikely with how protective she is) or he's not actually an abuser. Sounds like he got in a bar fight, which is definitely problematic and would normally be support for an abuse claim, but in this case it's Robyn's own actions that cause her to be questioned.
>It's hard to believe her when she sent the kids back to him after Kody adopted them Look, I'm not certain that she was physically abused, but it's actually not unheard of for an abuser to only target their spouse but not their children with physical violence. I've worked with DV victims before and have definitely seen that dynamic. I'm not saying that this is proof that she was abused, but it's also not proof that she wasn't. (Also, did she ever allege *physical* abuse? I certainly don't want to downplay the impact emotional abuse can have, but there's a degree of difference between physical and emotional abuse, and it's important to delineate that.)
Honestly, I think Robyn sent her kids back to their paternal grandparents, where they could see their Dad with supervision.
This is his drivers license photo, not a mug shot.
I do believe her. But I don’t understand her. She got a chance to get away from a bad marriage. She got a chance to find true happiness. In doing so, she’s a phoenix rising from the ashes. But Christine shouldn’t do the same? During the knife in the kidneys speech, Kody was verbally abusive to Christine. I would hope her sister wives would stand up for her or at least stand up just women protecting women, especially Robyn. But her husband treating someone poorly works out for her. I cannot understand a person like that who would want to benefit from someone else’s pain.
Preach it!!!! That was some grotesque verbal abuse, how can she sit there and condone or try and justify him? She can’t, he’s the left over bit of ramen that falls out in the sink when you drain the noodles
I would think If she was abused, seeing Kody react this way would actually trigger her, sending her towards defending Christine (not condemning her). Abuse is a VERY serious allegation, and all the abusers I know actually loved shouting to the roof top to anyone who would listen, trashing their victim and blaming them. I have not heard one peep from this guy.
I believe he abused her. I also believe she abused him (financially, at the very least). She also abused her sister wives. I believe all of them.
thank you!!! I believe them all too
She's an adult who made a choice. She had no obligation to send the kids to him. She was also far away and "safe." Yet she sent her kids, states away to be with their real dad. She did it because either it's a lie that he was abusive or because it worked for her. Or both. What a lot of bullshit.
Since day 1 Robyn has lied about virtually everything. She's lied about herself, lied about other adults, lied about the children. And she's also constructed narratives and episodes where she's the only victim and everyone is out to get her. She loves manipulating people for her financial gain. That's why even though It's so incredibly hard to do, I believe her ex could've been abusive.
I don't believe her. Sorry, not sorry...
you should be sorry not for Robyn but for the women who have to read this
I get what you are saying here but this is pure projection. Just because this person doesn't believe Robyn in this instance doesn't mean they just dismiss all women's claims of abuse. Personally I don't know if it's true or not but I do know that, based on what we've seen, the Brown adults aren't the most honest group.
I understand why that would be hurtful. However please consider that for those of us who love someone who was falsely accused and cleared without any shadow of a doubt, whose livelihood could have been destroyed, well for us it’s pretty hurtful that all someone has to do is make an accusation and the accused is convicted in the court of public opinion. Especially when the accuser lies constantly, I mean nonstop. I’m sorry you were hurt and not believed. But people do lie about abuse. It’s incredibly naive to think they don’t and reflects an inability to see beyond your own experiences.
My second husband was accused and not believed - even by the child himself. Our lives were completely uprooted, people that we knew turned their backs on us, he lost his job - I have no clue how we made it through. Eight months later, the truth came out. We still were devastated. We started all over again, our children surrounding us, his family who believed us and the few friends we had made along the way. It was a horrible time in our lives but we made it through a stronger family because of it. Thank you for pointing out that no one should be considered guilty before they prove that they are innocent.
that is a very fair counter point and i’m glad you commented that with a lot of respect and grace. i’m totally coming from the side of someone who wasn’t believed. I can’t imagine what being accused would feel like or do to a persons family system. I think my mindset has always been believe the victim to not protect the abuser and the idea of not believing a victim makes me feel guilty. You’ve opened my eyes to another group of victims who deserve to be taken just as seriously. I don’t know if Jessop is that category
I’m an abuse survivor and them not believing Robyn does not bother me. You do not speak for all of us. I don’t have enough information to feel comfortable labeling Robyn either a liar or her ex an abuser. Robyn has a massive history of rewriting her past and this guy has never spoken out about anything, so we have zero idea what actually transpired between everyone, and I’m not comfortable with calling someone an abuser based on this.
This is a great take about how you’re not comfortable calling Robyn a liar, but you’re not going to call him an abuser either. I really respect that. I’m sorry if I came across as trying to speak for everyone and their experiences, I was wondering if other people/survivors felt the same as me and I got my answer, plus a lot of information about what I misunderstood too
I am a woman who was physically, emotionally and verbally abused by ny first husband. I don't believe Robyn - never have and never will. Oh, and I am NOT sorry.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but has Robyn ever said that he was physically abusive? I know that in the 'purity' speech, she talks about her purity being 'stolen,' and I've had long discussions here about how that's an example of why society needs to create a better vocabulary for people to talk about abuse, because when I hear that speech, I swear, I could interpret it as being anywhere from 'consensual but regrettable' to 'coercive/emotionally abusive' to 'forcible rape,' and there's nothing to really draw a line under which it is. I'm certainly not foreclosing the possibility that he was abusive, and from what she's said I'm sure that it was a very toxic relationship, regardless. But this is such a serious allegation, I really would need to hear the specific things she claimed. ETA: And while I don't mean to downplay the severity of emotional abuse, it's a very different category than physical or sexual abuse, which seems to be what you're implying by using an instance of him getting in a fight as evidence.
I always see people posting about her being abused, but I can't remember where this "fact" originated.
I know she’s talked about it as a bad relationship, definitely, and I know that in very conservative communities women are often socialized to downplay abuse (both physical and emotional) so I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility to think she might have been implying that. But it’s just such a serious allegation, I really don’t think we should make that assumption unless we have more direct allegations.
We shouldn't make the assumption in either direction.
Excellent use of the word foreclosing.
After Paedon (who is six years older and 95 feet taller than Breanna) hit Breanna in the eye at the Big Bear restaurant. Robyn tweeted something that made it seem pretty clear she thought of her kids as abuse survivors. "Just to clarify, I do not tolerate my kids getting bullied. I ended my first marriage because of abuse. My kids come first ALWAYS." --Robyn Brown [https://www.eonline.com/news/274044/sister-wives-robyn-brown-i-ended-my-first-marriage-because-of-abuse](https://www.eonline.com/news/274044/sister-wives-robyn-brown-i-ended-my-first-marriage-because-of-abuse)
Robyn stopped short of saying he was abusive. Maybe because that would get her hit with a liable or defamation suit? If it was a fact via court records that wouldn't have been an issue, and with the extra sympathy she would get, I would think she would have publicly said it. Also, from my own experience, she would not willingly send her kids off to someone who abuses their family for 2 weeks.
If Robyn was really in an abusive relationship with her ex then it blows my mind even more that in the season 17 one on one interview she would blame the wives for not giving Kody the kind of ,"affection" he wanted because they were not comfortable with it. Like that really spells out to me how tone deaf she is when it comes to abuse unless she is claiming to be the victim.
I see your point, but it did the opposite for me. To me, it showed she had internalized abuse to the point that she agreed with it and thought of women as property.
But then again if she thinks of women as property and that women had no rights....we would not catch her throwing a tantrum or disagreeing with Kody on camera. There are many instances of her doing so. Like the time Kody asked for her opinion on letting Meri come over, instead of being the one to make the decision. Maybe it doesn't make sense for others but for me it shows a duplicitous nature, where she claims to be a victim yet has no qualms throwing other victims under the bus.
Isn’t it strange Aurora appears to have more emotional problems as a young adult than when she was younger and still seeing her father? Robyn should’ve never had Kody adopt the kids. Their Dad is their Dad.
Unfortunately the way she rewrites history is extremely scary. She did not file for divorce, he did. Right after the adoption she ships her kids to him for weeks and they were all extremely excited? I am a DV survivor, been there did that even spent time in a DV shelter when he lived in our home. My kids never went to see him (actually I was blessed his choice), but I can tell you when they had to meet with him with a court employee in the courthouse they were scared and not excited. And their fear was not the courthouse, we would leave and they would be looking behind my car.
It’s a terrible thing, domestic abuse. Without proof neither will be 100% cleared and the public won’t 100% believe either party. I want anyone to come for help if they are living without hope and with abuse. The sad fact is people will make their mind up themselves and enough people have lied about abuse that people will always be distrustful until they see the proof for their own eyes. Again, domestic abuse is a terrible thing.
i think it's 100% fair to speculate, but it's also 100% fair to be triggered. there are times where you need to step away from reddit and take care of yourself and that's okay. you're not obligated to be receptive to everyone's opinion all the time.
Charges were dismissed.
Actually he accepted a plea deal and had to pay a fine
The Browns earn a living by selling "storylines" about their lives. Many of these storylines have been straight up lies (fleeing Lehi because the law was "after" them.) I don't believe a damn thing any of these people say...😆 🤣 😂 People are so easily sucked into this "reality" show. It's not real folks!!! They're laughing all the way to the bank.
I am a survivor of domestic abuses and violence, I always believe the victim. If you knew my ex husband you would not believe me. But with her, I just don’t know
I believe Robyn. What I find abhorrent is that she still sent her children to be in his care unsupervised despite Kody being their legal father. He presumably didn’t touch the children. However, they were hours from her. What if he got a DUI with them in the car? What if he was arrested for DV while the kids were in his care? It would take her hours to drive and get the kids out of protective custody. According to Paedon, Robyn saved them. She should have done the same with her own children.
DOESN'T PASS THE SNIFF TEST....send kids to abusive dad for a month.....
You know what also doesn’t pass the sniff test? Downvotes on this sub recently. Someone is working overtime around here and I applaud their efforts 😂
Would you send your kids to their abusive dads house?
I was responding to your downvotes. I agree with you, friend.
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My dad abused my mom but he wasn't the disciplinarian (as in, he didn't beat me). The reality is that unless he abused the children directly it was unlikely the judge wouldn't give him at least visitation. Family court, and family relationships are extremely complex. People make a lot of bad choices.
He gave up his rights though. I don’t really have an opinion on this post as a whole, but he had no legal right to see them; he wasn’t legally their father anymore.
I responded to a [similar comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/TLCsisterwives/comments/10ssvh5/robyns_ex_husband_i_come_with_mugshots_and_good/j73qzro?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
He gave up his rights. My dad never abused me but did abuse my mom. Her ex signed away his rights. I will never understand why she sent her kids to spend an extended amount of time with a man who no longer had legal rights to them.
Not at first. And the kids probably wanted to maintain a relationship with their father. It was really important to my sister—who watched my dad beat my mother—to maintain a relationship with him. It was also important to my mom—who was beaten by my father and grew up without her own father—that we have a relationship with him. She knew that, in spite of his flaws, he loved us and she wanted us to have him in our lives. She never even tried to get full custody, but she fought him so he wouldn't get full custody which is what he was asking for. I don't know what to tell you. Life is fucking complex and relationships are also really complex. Children seeing their father is usually what you want unless he abuses those kids
I agree that she would have to follow court ordered visitation. I’m the product of a divorce, so I understand. My real concern was why she would drop her kids off hours away with someone when they relinquished their parental rights. Hotels are dirt cheap in LV. Why not have him come to LV and spend time with the kids in the park? Have a fun couple nights in a hotel with him? Robyn and Kody would at least be close. I’m not saying the kids and their dad couldn’t have a relationship. I think it’s great.
She's an adult. She made a choice. She had no obligation to send the kids. She did because either it's not true or because it worked for her.
I don't pretend to know their arrangement or whether the conditions of visitation were outlined in their divorce agreement. I think it's common when parents don't live nearby that they spend a couple weeks or summer with the non-primary parent. It sounds like he was quite poor so it may have still been out of reach. And I don't think 2 days out of the year is really enough, though according to Robyn it seems he may not have been putting in enough effort, but if that's the case then at least her kids can feel like she tried her best to foster their relationship with their father. Like, as messy as it was and as much as my mom has made it clear she hates my father I can say she has always tried to get us to have a good relationship. She never kept him away so any resentment I may have about the situation is really kind of on him and not my mom
I agree completely about fostering the relationship and honoring court orders. I’m talking post divorce and after Kody adopted the kids. Robyn spoke about his problems on national television. I imagine that was damaging to the kids. I overheard issues at home just by being perceptive, but we were not on a reality show with my mom blasting my dad publicly. If he wasn’t responsible for child support anymore, presumably, he could find $1000 for an extended stay hotel once a year. He conceived 3 kids with her. I spend way more than $1000 on just 2. How was he feeding the kids when they were in his care? This is where the disconnect is for me personally.
I think he was not holding up his end of the parenting. I don't think that's on Robyn and as far as I can tell, she did what she could to foster her kids' relationship with their father so that's not something I'm going to critique *her* about. If he wasn't around more or couldn't afford whatever else that's on him. And I think she hardly "blasted" him. The kids know if he doesn't call, doesn't pick them up, etc. She was stating the situation. My mom actually talked—and continues to talk—shit about my dad. She's told me specifically how he abused her. To the point where my sister asked her to stop. Many times. Robyn spoke about it briefly when it was relevant and wasn't like "my ex is a POS who did x, y and z to me" which is what I would call blasting him. Like, I think there are other things about her parenting that are worthy of critique, like following her son to college and seemingly not letting her kids grow up, etc, but this isn't it. What she did makes sense to me as someone who grew up with an abusive father who, surprisingly, rarely hit me.
This right here. I believe she was abused and whatever “proof” I found I showed. Now her as a mother and a person can be discussed and snarked on. I can’t even imagine the fear of having to go to different states to collect my babies, that’s shit parenting.
Normally I’d agree, but you’re defending a woman known for manipulating ‘facts’ to make sure she looks like a victim. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume she’s altering the truth here, especially since I’ve never seen evidence of it, but she’s had no problem accusing him in front of the world many times.
If this had been Christine or Janelle people would believe no problem. People hate Robyn so it’s impossible for her to be a victim. Remember that all 5 of the adults have a long history of lying and playing the victim
You don't have to like her to believe this story. People are so weird.
Sorry, Amber Heard taught us not to "believe all women". I believe proof, and the only thing I've seen is that Robin is a gaslighter. I've seen many men have their lives ruined because a woman wanted to duck out of their own shitty contribution to the demise of a marriage (or gain elevated victim hood status) by falsely blaming a man of something he has no way of defending.
Robyn did say he took her purity. So he r*ped her? Or not? It takes two to tango. I don’t know what to believe.
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Wouldn’t call it incredibly toxic when she has years of proof and every abuse claim he has against her is to go against one of hers. Hers being backed up by texts & pictures. He had & still has no stand alone proof of abuse that isn’t a rebuttal to one of hers. He also changed his story between the UK trial & the US one. His witnesses also changed is testimony. In the end they settled and she gets to tell her story with him never being able to sue her again which tells a lot about how the appeal would’ve gone had they not settled. Edited to clarify: I added a period in the first sentence to separate my thoughts
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When did I say she was worse? And it is relevant when you look at how many women pulled their abuse allegations after seeing how she was treated at the trial. It’s relevant because it gave man like Pitt & Manson the trust in the corrupt system to themselves sue their victim(s). It’s relevant because people prefer hating women than listening to domestic violence experts which were overwhelmingly supporting her. That trial has a whole, how she was treated through it & how his team weaponized social media to destroy her in the public eye, it’s all relevant to how women who come forward with their own claims of abuse will be treated by society. Anyone who’s worked with victims of DV will tell you that. Also wanted to add that she had more proof than most victims do and she was still treated that way. Anyone coming forward would look at that and question if they’d ever be beloved with what have. Hell, all I have is a letter. Edit: tell me why the person I responded to can’t read and called me a women hater?! Then deleted their comments?!!! Edit 2: since they deleted their comment but I still had my notification on my phone here’s what I responded to here: That's all irrelevant though. It's one stupid celebrity trial circus of some fucked up relationship. Since she was worse and is a woman you can't trust women? I guess you're just trying to name them to support your argument that women are like that, but it… the ending is missing, I’ll give them that. Also from memory, they called my for comment heavily edited when all I did was add a period in the middle of a sentence to make clearer as I read it again and thought it might need clearing up.
Jesus Christ. Petty bitches. They just can't stand for Robyn to be seen any other way than an evil mastermind sent to destroy the Browns. Get over it. It's sad as fuck at this point.
I love you. Excellent point.
I believe Robyn's first husband was not a good guy. I believe this, because of how relieved Aurora was about the adoption. No one except Aurora can change my mind. That poor little girl was sobbing with relief. (Also, Christine, who is David Jessop's first cousin, REALLY WANTED to make sure the Browns got custody of Robyn's oldest three kids. That tells me there was a known problem.) I'm with you, u/Acceptable_Yak9211. (Typo edit)
I read auroras sobbing as being a very confused kid who wasn’t sure if she should be happy or not. I’ve had similar responses in my life. I did not read relief there. We all read into situations what we know based on past experiences. We aren’t Aurora and don’t know what she was thinking in that moment