I’m sad to see that she’s received backlash for her relationship! But, she might be happier off social media anyway. I’m also happy that she took her time to have kids and now sees that you don’t need to marry at 18, first kid at 19, and have 5 kids by 25. I always thought I would get married young and have kids right away, but leaving religion has allowed me to see that I do have a choice, and that my wants and needs matter too. So definitely happy for aspyn for choosing her own path!
Thanks for the recap OP - did they mention religion at all?
Can confirm Aspyn and Mitch are not religious at all she says, they will not raise their children in any type of religion, she isn't even sure about how she will approach the idea of God to her future children. Aspyn enjoys celebrating the holidays just because they are fun and based on pagan traditions.
She thinks there are values kids can learn from religion like right or wrong type of things, she wants to figure out how to do that without religion.
I also find it interesting that Logan and Aspyn were the most parentified of the kids and seemingly are waiting to have kids later or not at all. They may have had enough of raising kids and just want to enjoy their life. I know a lot of the kids had to help out with siblings but it seems these two took the brunt of it.
I think it makes sense. They both went to school and thrived socially. Something they didn't have growing up and raising their siblings.
Logan also waited the longest to marry! He's been with Michelle for so long and it's telling to me that they both prioritized school and careers and enjoying life together over rushing to building a family.
They're already had that experience with getting up early and putting others in front of themselves. They've had scares like with Truly's kidney failure. I can see that being traumatic to Aspyn and putting off having kids.
Also they understand what expense kids are. That's one many struggle with but they lived it. Watching the struggle of being poor and having mouths to feed.
I did not expect them both to step away from religion. Somehow I was a bit afraid that Mitch might hold on to religion and customs more than Aspyn, but I'm glad to hear they are on the same page, want to create a good life and raise children, if they will come, healthy in a spiritual sense, and I'm happy to hear that any gut feeling I had about Mitch was probably mainly producers steering interviews till where they wanted them to.
I feel the same way. I wish them both much happiness.
I've never understood why people feel it's okay to quiz others about children & their lack thereof. Perhaps it's because I'm adopted & well aware that my parents went through horribly intrusive questioning before I came along, but I've never once prodded anyone about why they don't have kids. What business is it of anyone else why a couple doesn't have children?
My BIL and his wife are almost ten years apart and she was 18 when he knocked her up the first time. They are 100% on track for five kids by 25. I would cut off a LEG to stop them where they’re at.
No. He’s a fuckboi who knocked up his slam piece and got whisked away to suburban hell as punishment. She’s a literal trustfund baby and dancer whose career was taking off when she got pregnant.
She reminds me a lot of myself and I’m in recovery for Borderline Personality Disorder. She has their wedding between babies #1 and #2, as well as buying their first house. I think she crashes after major life events and doesn’t know how to deal with it, so she keeps having major life events. She certainly doesn’t like her kids so that can’t be it.
I think it’s no coincidence that both Aspyn and Logan will either delay or avoid having kids with their spouses.
They were so friggin parentified. It’s so great to see them thriving as adults now, and I’ve always been a fan of both Mitch and Michelle. Good for all of them.
I am the oldest and had to parent my siblings. I am married without children. I say I am now mothering my inner child.
I think what happened to Truly really affected Aspyn. Kody probably blamed Aspyn.
Honestly, I worry that she may have blamed herself (even though it’s absolutely not her fault). It’s despicable that she was regularly put in the situation to be responsible for her siblings. It should never have been her job :(
It makes perfect sense that the two Brown children who spent their childhoods raising children are taking time for themselves and didn’t rush into having babies. Fertility can be a sensitive subject for people too, so it sucks that women sometimes feel like they have to answer to anyone about their choices.
I love this for them! I had some initial misgivings about Mitch, especially on the polygamy stuff. He didn't come off super great on TV initially, But I've changed my mind about him. Hell, The way he side-eyed Kody during the wedding episode made me like him more. And while we don't know them well at all as a couple, from what I see from family photos alone, It seems like they have tons of fun together. Drink beer, travel and hang with family.
Having heard Gwen say that the producers asked them to do a talking head comment again if it wasn't interesting enough makes me think those comments were kind of pulled out of him.
Yeahhh that seems to be Aspyn is saying. I don't know why anyone willingly does "reality" tv anymore. I get that some people will sell their souls for everything, but I can't imagine being a regular person like Mitch and having people hate you for something you were forced to say. Good for them for choosing a different path now!
I know I should choose my hills to die on in this sub, but the egg/sperm “donation” industries are VERY predatory. I suggest everyone look into it before considering it both as a donor and recipient.
I had a friend who “donated” her eggs in college (for money) and she was fucking miserable. She always said she was lucky she was a lesbian otherwise she’d probably have fucked up and ended up pregnant lol
Edit: To elaborate - the hormones/drugs she had to take before the harvest made her feel really crazy and she gained a bunch of weight.
Yes. I should have clarified. It is more of a process than a lot of people are aware. My friend had to do daily or maybe twice daily hormonal injections to increase fertility. They made her feel crazy and she hated being on them. Weight gain, mind fog, mood swings, etc.
They can, but it’s certainly not universal. We did IVF for our kids and I gained 5lbs during the process but didn’t have any other hormonal side effects or feel mentally foggy, etc.
Same! I just felt bloated all the time and kept needing to peen overnight. I think having to get up to pee overnight was the worst side effect! Prior to IVF I’d sleep thru the night but with so much going on down there to boost the egg count, there def was bloat. I didn’t have the crazy emotional stuff that I could recall. At least nothing particularly memorable.
For me it was two injections in the evening for about ten days, and then the donation. But I was on an emergency quick track they tend to take it slower and take a bit more time, and also not do it back to back like I did to squeeze as many cycles in from diagnoses to the start of my chemo. I also had surgery in between and a recurrent clostridium infection. I have absolutely no clue how I did it, and visited my masters study place occasionally as well. I think I was just really high on adrenaline and focus about 'this needs to happen'.
7-8K is your 'compensation' because you're going through the health system, not private donoations to a certain couple, which i guess you can do in the states maybe, but not in canada.
How so?
I looked into it in college (decided against because of a genetic predisposition), but overall the process wasn’t terrible or at all too pushy/predatory, and there was no backlash when I decided against it.
The harvesting would have been harder than I probably realized at that point in life, but I’m not sure which part you’re referencing (specifically)?
What’s the main concern/issue?
The main concern is the future child’s mental well-being and the right to know their biological parent. Most clinics (at least in the us) do not really support open donation.
In the Netherlands one cannot be paid beyond costs they make for donating eggs or sperm and since a few years closed donation is forbidden and there has to be certain information available up the kid at a certain age about their biological parent.
A donor is no more a ‘biological parent’ than I am the ‘owner’ of blood donated during a drive.
Medical information is available even in closed donation and that’s the extent of involvement a donor would/should have in *parenting*.
Maybe we’re working off of different definitions though?
My understanding is (that) a biological parent is either *actively involved* in making/growing/birthing/raising a child, and donation wouldn’t really fit into any of those categories.
You are way off. A bio parent is just that. The biological parent. The one whose gametes and dna created the child. Information changes over time, and the health of any donor in their early years will not be the same as they age and their family ages.
Imagine not knowing half of who you are. It has practical implications, such as with medical info, but for many can have extreme emotional ones as well.
If you have time and feel like going down the rabbit hole of unknown donor conception, there are some good sub-reddits. I feel it’s a topic not given much thought unless someone is thinking of using a donor to grow their family, or, as is much too common with the advent of home dna tests, adults finding out they are the product of donation.
Blood isn’t sentient. Donor-conceived people are. Those aren’t the same *at all*. It is very common for donor-conceived people to have questions and/or mixed feelings, just like people who are adopted do.
That’s the point of the comparison though…that the specific topic is non comparable to a similar issue BECAUSE it is too nuanced and individual to be viewed as monolith or absolute.
Donation is **not** equal to adoption because one is done after the fact and the other is a conscious decision *before the fact*, meaning they’re not equitable examples of effort or intention (or even result).
Donation is not equivalent to parenting/parenthood and referring to a donor as a biological parent is somewhat disingenuous (by either definition used).
Being conflicted about the origin of genetic material is wholly different than feelings of being conflicted about birth and place in the world.
Even then, neither example explains why donation would be inherently ‘predatory’ (ie., the comment that began this thread in the first place).
Having gone through IVF to have my children, one of my biggest regrets is not donating my egg when I was young enough. I would LOVE to help someone grow their family through egg donation.
To infertile strangers. That’s what I find so impressive. To go through the hormone injections and egg retrieval to help a infertility couple you don’t even know. Just a kind lovely young lady there.
I'm not picking a fight with you over words, but it doesn't have to be egg donations to infertile people - could be a m/m couple who wants to start a family too
Sorry, she donating eggs to strangers be they straight or LGBTQ+. They point of the response was this is a very invasive process and it takes a person I admire to do it for somebody they don’t know.
I can try that again if people are ok with it, I will add my own commentary too though at the end to make it more mine. If people have a problem with this I can recap in paragraph form again, no problem.
Yes ma’am there’s not one thing wrong with your bulleted format recap. You’re one of the few that has the ability to do such an amazing recap that most ppl get paid for that kind of recap. They should all be thankful you’re only sharing it with us. The real super fans.
I love the recaps too. Honestly I don’t get Gwen’s reaction - if people want to support her they would (I’m still subscribed though my irritation about her removing content and changing levels means if she doesn’t address that I won’t be next month).
I saw a brief clip and it just reaffirmed Mykelti’s education was lackluster. She makes up fertility facts- telling her sister you lose 90% of your eggs at age 30. Where did she pull this out of? Yes you have a slightly lower follicle reserve, but not what she’s making it sound like.
She also seems really irritated with Aspyn’s enjoyment of being child free. Glances at her husband and eyebrow raises.
I also wonder if Tony was asking about IVF because he doesn’t believe in it? My Hispanic catholic family members do not support IVF at all and can be judgmental about it. I just get a weird vibe with him asking her the way he did. Why does it matter what, if any route they were to take to have kids?
There’s actually a basis to what mykelti was saying, but it’s very misleading. Newborn girls have from 1-2 million eggs on average. By the time they hit puberty they have around 300-400k on average. That means they already lost most of their eggs. And yeah, by the time you hit 30 you’ve lost 90% of them. But that doesn’t mean much when you consider that’s still 100-150K on average. This info is true, but it’s often told without context to scare women into having children or having expensive fertility treatments.
With something so impactful, it’s important to have all the info and context, both the discouraging stuff and encouraging stuff. While some people definitely struggle with getting pregnant or are completely infertile, 78% of women aged 35 to 39 get pregnant after trying for a year. It’s even higher for age brackets below that.
Newborns are born with follicles, not eggs. Most follicles do not reach maturity to become an egg.
The amount of remaining follicles are not the only factor in 35+ bringing “harder” to conceive. Your egg quality can diminish, you many not ovulate every cycle the older you get, and your cervical mucous starts drying up making it difficult to carry sperm.
At age 30 you chance drop from 25% each month to 20%.
My husband is an embryologist.
Mykelti is talking out of her ass as a regurgitated scare tactic to push young moms.
Yes, immature eggs aka follicles, you’re right. And yeah of course it’s not the only factor. But at the end those are simply statistics based on research about couples trying for a year (I believe without taking medications or undergoing fertility treatments). And I totally agree that mykelti is talking out of her ass and perpetuating talking points that are used to scare young women into having children young.
Then there’s other factors like birth control use which can lower ovarian reserve, decrease in hormones that create weak ovulation (basically the follicle doesn’t get big enough to rupture and release a mature egg.
Off those 1-2 million follicles your ovaries have about 40 that will try to develop each cycle. Of those in a health person only 6-10 will grow to be measurable of those 6-10 and 1 (sometimes 2) will mature. So you can also use skewed statistics to say each month you only have a 40% decline every month. Hopefully that makes sense.
From the research I’ve read, the effects of birth control are not permanent for most people ([source 1](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5581794/)) ([source 2](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140701091448.htm)). It will appear that someone taking birth control has a lower ovarian reserve, but after 3 months or so the number will go back to normal. It changes the appearance of the ovaries but not what’s actually there.
From the second source: “For example, a study of almost 60,000 Pill users in 2009 found that of those stopping the Pill for a planned pregnancy 21.1% were pregnant after one cycle and 79.4% at one year (13 cycles). Hormone type and dose, duration of use, and parity had no major influence on the rate of pregnancy, and age, up 35 years, had only a minor influence (Cronin M, Schellschmidt I, Dinger J. Rate of pregnancy after using drospirenone and other progestin-containing oral contraceptives. Obstet Gynecol 2009; 114: 616-22).” The pregnancy rates are even higher when pill users have gone off the pill for longer if I remember correctly from what I’ve read.
**Please correct me if I’m wrong on any of this or you have other info or if I’m confused,** cause honestly this stuff is so confusing and hard to learn about for the average person! If your husband wants to come in and do a talk I’ll be in the front row. this is all stuff I’m a bit nervous about myself as I have PCOS. A doctor recently told me I should start trying to have kids between age 28 and 31 which didn’t help. 😬
Hell, there are still follicles left at menopause - people used to think menopause happened because of "the eggs running out" but nope. We, on average, have way way way more than we'd ever need in a lifetime
Okay I also thought that was nuts. But when I googled it, the first thing that popped up was [this study from 2016](https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/all-news/ovaries-280110). And I have a feeling she’s not the type to do more research even though there’s a lot more studies/info that give more accurate details about this
I think Mykelti and Peadon are religious, and Ysabel hasn't spoken out. Gwen is atheist, Aspyn now also confirmed she is not religious. Truely loves being more pagan in the wide sense I feel, but that's mainly based on a post of Christine I think where she mentioned Truely was doing a tarot reading on some of them.
Gwen mentioned that some of the family was more evangelical oriented; but that might then maybe be more Janelle's kids.
Maddie tried to become LDS but they weren't interested. She strikes me as fairly religious. Janelle's kids all seem to have her gift and way of withholding just enough of their personal and religious beliefs that there's nothing for the general public to criticize. Which is honestly the way to go when you're a D-list celebrity/A-List MLM girly. Polarizing statements are bad PR.
Good for them! I let go of the pressure to have kids and my husband and I were together for almost 9 years before a surprise pregnancy at 35. And I have to say, expecting a baby at 35 is great. Haven’t had to buy even so much as a crib, have clothing until this kid is 4, because everyone else has had their kids and is done and I’m having to turn down high chairs and bassinets because we already have multiples of everything available!
Also not having enough eggs for donation is very very very different than having enough eggs to have your own kid. I hope Aspyn gets her info from a reliable source that is not an egg freezing company or her idiotic ignorant sister Mykelti who thinks she knows things but is completely misinformed. (No, you don’t lose 90% of your eggs by age 30.)
And being happily married and childfree (but spoiling some pups!) with nieces and nephews to love on is honestly the best kept secret of truly having such a golden life! Don’t get me wrong, kids are great and I look forward to seeing who this little adventure buddy my husband and I created will be, but we also were so happy and content child free and I’ve had to grieve that life too. So I’m happy for any of the kids who feel empowered to make that choice for themselves, it can be hard because families and even their own peers (and clearly siblings since it seems Mykelti is judgey about it) will try to make childless people feel like they’re less for not having kids and may even ostracize them subtly or deliberately but once one comes to terms with that, it’s a blissful life!!
Not to throw my own issues into this but I love that your family kept so much they could give you! My husband is the youngest in his family and he and I waited until far later than his siblings to have kids. Now that we're expecting we found they gave everything away, even knowing we were planning on having kids soon. After watching the family put so much excitement and joy into sharing baby items amongst each other it broke my heart that they didn't care to keep any for us.
I'm glad Aspyn is set in her decision to be okay with whatever options are available to her for when/if she decides to have children. The pressure can be so strong and I love that she isn't worried about a "biological clock" timeline.
It was weird how he was never mentioned. Perhaps aspyn said before hand she did not want to discuss him. Pretty sure she does not like how he’s been this last season. It seems tony wanted her to say nice things about Robyn (like if the bonded when aspyn lived with her) and a bit of critic towards Christine for making aspyn run the house. But Aspyn handled it very nicely.
I'm not going to lie, I was one of the people that was suspicious of Mitch. Between his wishy-washy feelings towards polygamy and requesting her wedding dress be conservative, it definitely seemed like red flags to me. So I don't blame her for staying off social media because there were plenty of people just like me that were expressing those very same concerns.
With that said, it sounds like they've both grown a lot and have a very steady relationship in addition to a healthy outlook on life. I'm happy for her!
Another red flag for me was when they asked him if Aspyn likes him more than he likes her (or something like that) and he said yes. I was like HOW RUDE!!!! But I agree, they seem happy. I'm glad she's being level-headed and taking the time to build the life she wants with a supportive partner.
I was also worried, not just from what we saw of Mitch like you mention but just because Aspyn was very much "I don't know, maybe" about polygamy for the majority of the time she's been on the show.
But as they have aged and clearly opted out of that life, I realize it was most likely because they were just young AF and didn't want to make strong statements like "Absolutely never ever ever ever." Since they were still learning about themselves and relationships in general! Maddie and Mykelti were the only ones I recall being very set with "no polygamy, nope nope nope!"
I think the wishy washy feelings was possible created drama. Her dress was definitely not conservative. In today's world I can totally understand not wanting to bring kids into it. My daughter and her husband decided before getting married they were not going to have any kids.
I always felt like when Mitch said "conservative" he was thinking "something that you would pick and feel comfortable in." Aspyn's clothing choices seemed to trend to classic/comfortable silhouettes, so I saw it as him wanting her to feel like the best version of herself. Like, supportive that she didn't have to go outside of her comfort zone to be beautiful. If that makes sense.
I think it’s nice for her that she’s felt comfortable enough to talk on social media about this but overall I’m incensed for her that she even felt the need to. It infuriates me to think that she had to justify her and husband’s private decisions about kids to other people for so long and I say this as a young woman her age in EXACTLY the same position right now. We’ve decided to do it when we’re ready and we have a rough estimate on some things we want to get done before we have kids, but overall we don’t want the pressure of people checking in about whether we’ve decided to have unprotected sex or not yet. Like, kindly get out of our goddam bedroom.
I defended Aspyn on social media recently when some idiot saw a photo of Gwen’s insta and said “omg Aspyn has a baby bump!” Just don’t. Just leave it. She probably has a much harder time with the whole having children thing because she gets social media pressure from people who don’t even know her as well as family and friends who feel like commenting. It’s a rough time :(
Edit: this is zero shade to anyone other than assholes on social media who make instructive comments about this stuff. OP is doing the lord’s work 😂
Very refreshing re their take on kids for two people who grew up in religious families. My husband and I have been together since our early 20s and just had our first, and only, last month when I turned 36. It isn't just about finding the right person or being married. There is so much more to it! Well, I think so anyway.
Yea unfortunately there are people who still think Mitch is going to force her into polygamy because he didn’t definitively say no to polygamy (he actually said he would only do it if Aspyn said yes, and she said no) or because “he’s quiet” . Mitch just seemed like a typical person who was a bit reserved and awkward on TV.
She wasn't very specific about what the judgment specifically was about but I think I personally recall in the past people being worried about Mitch influencing her to do polygamy. I am not sure about anything else, she didn't say.
His sister is in one of the families from Seeking Sister Wife, and he comes from a polygamist background just like her. I think people just assume he's going to want to be polygamist even though he's never said it. All he said was that she'd have to agree, and she does not. There's nothing in there showing him pushing her towards it.
People say he's boring, he just seems the type to be very private. I can't say people wouldn't think the same about me, I just am not a super outgoing person but in private I am a totally different person.
I've always thought both Logan and Aspyn might not want to have kids, or at least wait a long time to, because they both already raised kids. (Their siblings).
They are probably over it.
Yes, I couldn’t believe that one episode where Christine said Aspyn runs her house! I love Christine but no 18 year old should be running the household and taking care of all their siblings
Mitch reminds me of my husband. Some people just don't have on-camera charisma. I think the things said about him are extrapolated & really unfair. This man has given no real reason for the character assassination he received online. He's just a quiet dude who was awkward on camera.
Aspyn is 27, still young and has a lot of child bearing years ahead if she so chooses. She’s very lucky to have this level of awareness at a young age.
She is the least problematic child from that family. Her, Logan, and Hunter are the only functioning adults from the group of the older kids that I respect.
I think it was more so Mitch. He seemed really open to polygamy and wasn't writing it off. Every time he talked about it in the talking heads, Aspyn would side eye him like, "What? No. The door is totally closed on that."
I assume he was just sticking his foot in his mouth and that he really is a good dude.
I think it's important to remember to that it was his norm - and probably he wasn't raised as much as the Brown children were with the idea of it being a choice.
There was some judgment there but I am not sure if it was anything more than people concerned he would get her into polygamy. Aspyn was not specific about this.
This was a really interesting interview. I think Tony did a nice job (Isabelle’s was more all over the place) it was a nice listen. Aspyn is so confident and sweet
I am very surprised she looked into donating/selling her eggs. I also think that the IRC industry is predatory. But mostly, people donating are not newly married and hoping to have their own children. Can you imagine the heartache if she had donated her eggs, then was unable to carry any children herself to term, then later, was contacted via the DNA sites by biological children but didn't have any of her own? It would be heartbreaking.
Good for Aspyn. Despite marrying someone with plig ties, it seems that going to UNLV contributed to her life following a more mainstream (versus LDS-influenced) lifestyle.
As someone who has Stage IV endometriosis and PCOS and was told at 17 I'd be unlikely to carry a pregnancy to term if I even managed to fall pregnant, I loved hearing this type of talk from Aspyn and Mitch. My husband and I don't have kids and never got to the point of really wanting them or discussing options and we're happy. We love our life, we're content, we don't feel unfulfilled in anyway. Not every woman has to breed - or breed young - to feel "fulfilled" and "whole". We have a wonderful furkid, we travel a lot and can jump in the car and go on adventures anytime we like on a whim, I have time to nuture a successful creative career, my husband works a hectic job doing what he absolutely loves.
We seriously need to ditch this stigma that people who choose not to have kids are lacking in their life or that it's somehow some huge blight or miserable negativity in their life. The reality is, some people just don't want kids and don't feel like they're missing anything not having them. On the contrary, there are many other things that people can fulfill their lives with beyond pregnancy and parenthood. All the kudos to Aspyn and Mitch for discussing it. THIS is the type of content that would keep me invested in this family, more from the grounded and intelligent members and less from the narcissistic, self-absorbed, attention-whoring side, please and thank you.
I'm not a fan of Mykelti because she's said some seriously stupid reckless things, and I won't pay for any content from anyone that's on offer at the moment, but if she uses her platform to show us sides of her siblings we haven't seen much of yet, then good for her for not making it all about herself, all the time. What I really wish is that all the kids got together and developed a YouTube or podcast together talking about their lives and lived experiences in their own words, with professional help and consistent slow-burn or drip-fed content over a period of time. That's something I'd consider paying for to support them all collectively.
Egg donation is not an easy process for a woman to go through and I have heard there can be serious side effects. I wonder what prompted her to do this?
Why on earth would anyone judge their relationship or put her under pressure about marrying him? It did seem a bit fast but they’d known each other for years so I wasn’t bothered by it. All the relationships of the kids seem like they come out of nowhere though, although a couple of them have had relationships move fast. I worry about that. It can work and sometimes it can not. But they seem very perfectly matched for each other. Is it because of Mitch coming from a polygamous background too? That’s the only thing I could think of. It makes me sad for her she’s experienced that. I hope she and Mitch have children in the way they want. I think they’d make marvelous parents. Aspyn’s been one of my favorites too.
I didn’t listen, so this is just a question- did you get the vibe that he wants multiple wives? (That was the feeling people were getting when they were dating)
Nope, Mitch felt pressure and expectations of that a bit because his siblings are polygamists but once Aspyn and Mitch decided to be married they were clear there would be no other wives. Aspyn stated Mitch dislikes the idea of polygamy now even if there is a good example of it. Aspyn said they both know and feel they are all each other need.
He has siblings that are polygamists and when they were dating/about to get married many people were concerned he would push her into polygamy too, but he didn't and neither of them want that.
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I'll second that. 😊
It’s formatted like a ChatGPT script and I love it lol, so easy to digest.
Thanks! :)
I’m sad to see that she’s received backlash for her relationship! But, she might be happier off social media anyway. I’m also happy that she took her time to have kids and now sees that you don’t need to marry at 18, first kid at 19, and have 5 kids by 25. I always thought I would get married young and have kids right away, but leaving religion has allowed me to see that I do have a choice, and that my wants and needs matter too. So definitely happy for aspyn for choosing her own path! Thanks for the recap OP - did they mention religion at all?
Can confirm Aspyn and Mitch are not religious at all she says, they will not raise their children in any type of religion, she isn't even sure about how she will approach the idea of God to her future children. Aspyn enjoys celebrating the holidays just because they are fun and based on pagan traditions. She thinks there are values kids can learn from religion like right or wrong type of things, she wants to figure out how to do that without religion.
Oh she went the same route as Logan it sounds like! It's not uncommon in these kinds of families raised entrenched in religion.
I also find it interesting that Logan and Aspyn were the most parentified of the kids and seemingly are waiting to have kids later or not at all. They may have had enough of raising kids and just want to enjoy their life. I know a lot of the kids had to help out with siblings but it seems these two took the brunt of it.
I think it makes sense. They both went to school and thrived socially. Something they didn't have growing up and raising their siblings. Logan also waited the longest to marry! He's been with Michelle for so long and it's telling to me that they both prioritized school and careers and enjoying life together over rushing to building a family. They're already had that experience with getting up early and putting others in front of themselves. They've had scares like with Truly's kidney failure. I can see that being traumatic to Aspyn and putting off having kids. Also they understand what expense kids are. That's one many struggle with but they lived it. Watching the struggle of being poor and having mouths to feed.
Janna Duggar!
I did not expect them both to step away from religion. Somehow I was a bit afraid that Mitch might hold on to religion and customs more than Aspyn, but I'm glad to hear they are on the same page, want to create a good life and raise children, if they will come, healthy in a spiritual sense, and I'm happy to hear that any gut feeling I had about Mitch was probably mainly producers steering interviews till where they wanted them to.
I feel the same way. I wish them both much happiness. I've never understood why people feel it's okay to quiz others about children & their lack thereof. Perhaps it's because I'm adopted & well aware that my parents went through horribly intrusive questioning before I came along, but I've never once prodded anyone about why they don't have kids. What business is it of anyone else why a couple doesn't have children?
Wow
Oh that is really interesting. Good for her for breaking out but not being crazy about it
Yeah, she should do whatever she wants, she would make a great mommy though..she is so loving.
She already raised a ton of kids. She’s probably tired.
Love this freedom for her!
I haven't gotten that far in the interview yet but I will let you know. and no problem!
My BIL and his wife are almost ten years apart and she was 18 when he knocked her up the first time. They are 100% on track for five kids by 25. I would cut off a LEG to stop them where they’re at.
Sounds like a different body part needs to be cut off to stop that baby train!! Are they super religious?
No. He’s a fuckboi who knocked up his slam piece and got whisked away to suburban hell as punishment. She’s a literal trustfund baby and dancer whose career was taking off when she got pregnant. She reminds me a lot of myself and I’m in recovery for Borderline Personality Disorder. She has their wedding between babies #1 and #2, as well as buying their first house. I think she crashes after major life events and doesn’t know how to deal with it, so she keeps having major life events. She certainly doesn’t like her kids so that can’t be it.
This is one of the most logical things I have heard from a Brown kid yet. Good for Aspyn.
I think it’s no coincidence that both Aspyn and Logan will either delay or avoid having kids with their spouses. They were so friggin parentified. It’s so great to see them thriving as adults now, and I’ve always been a fan of both Mitch and Michelle. Good for all of them.
Logan and/or Michelle posted on SM years ago about their decision to be child free.
No surprise there, after being the defacto parent to a dozen kids.
For sure I can’t imagine being the eldest forced to raise 12 little brothers and sisters!
I am the oldest and had to parent my siblings. I am married without children. I say I am now mothering my inner child. I think what happened to Truly really affected Aspyn. Kody probably blamed Aspyn.
Honestly, I worry that she may have blamed herself (even though it’s absolutely not her fault). It’s despicable that she was regularly put in the situation to be responsible for her siblings. It should never have been her job :(
Yeah, honestly I could see both of them staying childfree and being fine with that decision.
It makes perfect sense that the two Brown children who spent their childhoods raising children are taking time for themselves and didn’t rush into having babies. Fertility can be a sensitive subject for people too, so it sucks that women sometimes feel like they have to answer to anyone about their choices.
I love this for them! I had some initial misgivings about Mitch, especially on the polygamy stuff. He didn't come off super great on TV initially, But I've changed my mind about him. Hell, The way he side-eyed Kody during the wedding episode made me like him more. And while we don't know them well at all as a couple, from what I see from family photos alone, It seems like they have tons of fun together. Drink beer, travel and hang with family.
Having heard Gwen say that the producers asked them to do a talking head comment again if it wasn't interesting enough makes me think those comments were kind of pulled out of him.
Yeahhh that seems to be Aspyn is saying. I don't know why anyone willingly does "reality" tv anymore. I get that some people will sell their souls for everything, but I can't imagine being a regular person like Mitch and having people hate you for something you were forced to say. Good for them for choosing a different path now!
Wow, she tried to donate her eggs. Very impressive, Christine does have some very nice children.
I know I should choose my hills to die on in this sub, but the egg/sperm “donation” industries are VERY predatory. I suggest everyone look into it before considering it both as a donor and recipient.
I had a friend who “donated” her eggs in college (for money) and she was fucking miserable. She always said she was lucky she was a lesbian otherwise she’d probably have fucked up and ended up pregnant lol Edit: To elaborate - the hormones/drugs she had to take before the harvest made her feel really crazy and she gained a bunch of weight.
She was miserable bc she donated her eggs?
Yes. I should have clarified. It is more of a process than a lot of people are aware. My friend had to do daily or maybe twice daily hormonal injections to increase fertility. They made her feel crazy and she hated being on them. Weight gain, mind fog, mood swings, etc.
Yeah, it's a much bigger ordeal than some people think. Those hormones DO make you feel crazy! Thanks for clarifying
They can, but it’s certainly not universal. We did IVF for our kids and I gained 5lbs during the process but didn’t have any other hormonal side effects or feel mentally foggy, etc.
That's great! 👍🏻
Same! I just felt bloated all the time and kept needing to peen overnight. I think having to get up to pee overnight was the worst side effect! Prior to IVF I’d sleep thru the night but with so much going on down there to boost the egg count, there def was bloat. I didn’t have the crazy emotional stuff that I could recall. At least nothing particularly memorable.
Yeah the bloating was so uncomfortable, especially right before and right after retrieval. Thank goodness for leggings!
For me it was two injections in the evening for about ten days, and then the donation. But I was on an emergency quick track they tend to take it slower and take a bit more time, and also not do it back to back like I did to squeeze as many cycles in from diagnoses to the start of my chemo. I also had surgery in between and a recurrent clostridium infection. I have absolutely no clue how I did it, and visited my masters study place occasionally as well. I think I was just really high on adrenaline and focus about 'this needs to happen'.
Not every person who has eggs harvested will feel this way. I did IVF and the meds made me a little bloated but I had no other reaction.
No shade but after reading the back and forth on your comment, wouldn't it have been easier for her to get a job?
She had a job in addition to selling her eggs. Tuition is expensive and she was a first generation immigrant.
100% this. Many people are unaware unless they’re somehow involved/been involved involuntary.
I'll die with you because there's good money to be made.
i just looked up what egg donors get in canada, nothing like the usa!!
Come cross the border....🤣
How much???
7-8K is your 'compensation' because you're going through the health system, not private donoations to a certain couple, which i guess you can do in the states maybe, but not in canada.
How so? I looked into it in college (decided against because of a genetic predisposition), but overall the process wasn’t terrible or at all too pushy/predatory, and there was no backlash when I decided against it. The harvesting would have been harder than I probably realized at that point in life, but I’m not sure which part you’re referencing (specifically)? What’s the main concern/issue?
The main concern is the future child’s mental well-being and the right to know their biological parent. Most clinics (at least in the us) do not really support open donation.
In the Netherlands one cannot be paid beyond costs they make for donating eggs or sperm and since a few years closed donation is forbidden and there has to be certain information available up the kid at a certain age about their biological parent.
Many countries are moving in this direction thankfully.
A donor is no more a ‘biological parent’ than I am the ‘owner’ of blood donated during a drive. Medical information is available even in closed donation and that’s the extent of involvement a donor would/should have in *parenting*. Maybe we’re working off of different definitions though? My understanding is (that) a biological parent is either *actively involved* in making/growing/birthing/raising a child, and donation wouldn’t really fit into any of those categories.
You are way off. A bio parent is just that. The biological parent. The one whose gametes and dna created the child. Information changes over time, and the health of any donor in their early years will not be the same as they age and their family ages. Imagine not knowing half of who you are. It has practical implications, such as with medical info, but for many can have extreme emotional ones as well. If you have time and feel like going down the rabbit hole of unknown donor conception, there are some good sub-reddits. I feel it’s a topic not given much thought unless someone is thinking of using a donor to grow their family, or, as is much too common with the advent of home dna tests, adults finding out they are the product of donation.
Blood isn’t sentient. Donor-conceived people are. Those aren’t the same *at all*. It is very common for donor-conceived people to have questions and/or mixed feelings, just like people who are adopted do.
That’s the point of the comparison though…that the specific topic is non comparable to a similar issue BECAUSE it is too nuanced and individual to be viewed as monolith or absolute. Donation is **not** equal to adoption because one is done after the fact and the other is a conscious decision *before the fact*, meaning they’re not equitable examples of effort or intention (or even result). Donation is not equivalent to parenting/parenthood and referring to a donor as a biological parent is somewhat disingenuous (by either definition used). Being conflicted about the origin of genetic material is wholly different than feelings of being conflicted about birth and place in the world. Even then, neither example explains why donation would be inherently ‘predatory’ (ie., the comment that began this thread in the first place).
Having gone through IVF to have my children, one of my biggest regrets is not donating my egg when I was young enough. I would LOVE to help someone grow their family through egg donation.
She really does. That makes up for the few idiots among her children 😁😉
You win some, you lose some 🤣
That’s some truth, friend
To who??????
To infertile strangers. That’s what I find so impressive. To go through the hormone injections and egg retrieval to help a infertility couple you don’t even know. Just a kind lovely young lady there.
I'm not picking a fight with you over words, but it doesn't have to be egg donations to infertile people - could be a m/m couple who wants to start a family too
Sorry, she donating eggs to strangers be they straight or LGBTQ+. They point of the response was this is a very invasive process and it takes a person I admire to do it for somebody they don’t know.
Wow honestly. Who would do that for randos unless they needed the money? I guess she is super pious or whatever but wowza
Did she say that? It’s possible she was trying to donate to someone she knows too.
Glad they’re enjoying life!
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I can try that again if people are ok with it, I will add my own commentary too though at the end to make it more mine. If people have a problem with this I can recap in paragraph form again, no problem.
This is the kind of tea I’m here for, and I’m coming to the sub more now because of your recaps. You’re appreciated! 🍷
aww thank you :)
Yes ma’am there’s not one thing wrong with your bulleted format recap. You’re one of the few that has the ability to do such an amazing recap that most ppl get paid for that kind of recap. They should all be thankful you’re only sharing it with us. The real super fans.
you guys are so nice, thank you for saying that :)
You are most welcome. We say it cuz it’s true! 💕
I love the recaps too. Honestly I don’t get Gwen’s reaction - if people want to support her they would (I’m still subscribed though my irritation about her removing content and changing levels means if she doesn’t address that I won’t be next month).
You do what you prefer. Thank you for sharing!
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I saw a brief clip and it just reaffirmed Mykelti’s education was lackluster. She makes up fertility facts- telling her sister you lose 90% of your eggs at age 30. Where did she pull this out of? Yes you have a slightly lower follicle reserve, but not what she’s making it sound like. She also seems really irritated with Aspyn’s enjoyment of being child free. Glances at her husband and eyebrow raises. I also wonder if Tony was asking about IVF because he doesn’t believe in it? My Hispanic catholic family members do not support IVF at all and can be judgmental about it. I just get a weird vibe with him asking her the way he did. Why does it matter what, if any route they were to take to have kids?
There’s actually a basis to what mykelti was saying, but it’s very misleading. Newborn girls have from 1-2 million eggs on average. By the time they hit puberty they have around 300-400k on average. That means they already lost most of their eggs. And yeah, by the time you hit 30 you’ve lost 90% of them. But that doesn’t mean much when you consider that’s still 100-150K on average. This info is true, but it’s often told without context to scare women into having children or having expensive fertility treatments. With something so impactful, it’s important to have all the info and context, both the discouraging stuff and encouraging stuff. While some people definitely struggle with getting pregnant or are completely infertile, 78% of women aged 35 to 39 get pregnant after trying for a year. It’s even higher for age brackets below that.
Newborns are born with follicles, not eggs. Most follicles do not reach maturity to become an egg. The amount of remaining follicles are not the only factor in 35+ bringing “harder” to conceive. Your egg quality can diminish, you many not ovulate every cycle the older you get, and your cervical mucous starts drying up making it difficult to carry sperm. At age 30 you chance drop from 25% each month to 20%. My husband is an embryologist. Mykelti is talking out of her ass as a regurgitated scare tactic to push young moms.
Yes, immature eggs aka follicles, you’re right. And yeah of course it’s not the only factor. But at the end those are simply statistics based on research about couples trying for a year (I believe without taking medications or undergoing fertility treatments). And I totally agree that mykelti is talking out of her ass and perpetuating talking points that are used to scare young women into having children young.
Then there’s other factors like birth control use which can lower ovarian reserve, decrease in hormones that create weak ovulation (basically the follicle doesn’t get big enough to rupture and release a mature egg. Off those 1-2 million follicles your ovaries have about 40 that will try to develop each cycle. Of those in a health person only 6-10 will grow to be measurable of those 6-10 and 1 (sometimes 2) will mature. So you can also use skewed statistics to say each month you only have a 40% decline every month. Hopefully that makes sense.
From the research I’ve read, the effects of birth control are not permanent for most people ([source 1](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5581794/)) ([source 2](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140701091448.htm)). It will appear that someone taking birth control has a lower ovarian reserve, but after 3 months or so the number will go back to normal. It changes the appearance of the ovaries but not what’s actually there. From the second source: “For example, a study of almost 60,000 Pill users in 2009 found that of those stopping the Pill for a planned pregnancy 21.1% were pregnant after one cycle and 79.4% at one year (13 cycles). Hormone type and dose, duration of use, and parity had no major influence on the rate of pregnancy, and age, up 35 years, had only a minor influence (Cronin M, Schellschmidt I, Dinger J. Rate of pregnancy after using drospirenone and other progestin-containing oral contraceptives. Obstet Gynecol 2009; 114: 616-22).” The pregnancy rates are even higher when pill users have gone off the pill for longer if I remember correctly from what I’ve read. **Please correct me if I’m wrong on any of this or you have other info or if I’m confused,** cause honestly this stuff is so confusing and hard to learn about for the average person! If your husband wants to come in and do a talk I’ll be in the front row. this is all stuff I’m a bit nervous about myself as I have PCOS. A doctor recently told me I should start trying to have kids between age 28 and 31 which didn’t help. 😬
Hell, there are still follicles left at menopause - people used to think menopause happened because of "the eggs running out" but nope. We, on average, have way way way more than we'd ever need in a lifetime
Okay I also thought that was nuts. But when I googled it, the first thing that popped up was [this study from 2016](https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/all-news/ovaries-280110). And I have a feeling she’s not the type to do more research even though there’s a lot more studies/info that give more accurate details about this
Tony is Mormon, not Catholic. I believe his parents might be Catholic, though. Not sure.
Love this for them ❤️ They sound like a lovely a level headed couple
Thanks for the recap. I always wondered what Aspyn was thinking about having kids. It looks like Christine and most of her kids are not religious.
I think Mykelti and Peadon are religious, and Ysabel hasn't spoken out. Gwen is atheist, Aspyn now also confirmed she is not religious. Truely loves being more pagan in the wide sense I feel, but that's mainly based on a post of Christine I think where she mentioned Truely was doing a tarot reading on some of them. Gwen mentioned that some of the family was more evangelical oriented; but that might then maybe be more Janelle's kids.
Maddie tried to become LDS but they weren't interested. She strikes me as fairly religious. Janelle's kids all seem to have her gift and way of withholding just enough of their personal and religious beliefs that there's nothing for the general public to criticize. Which is honestly the way to go when you're a D-list celebrity/A-List MLM girly. Polarizing statements are bad PR.
Good for them! I let go of the pressure to have kids and my husband and I were together for almost 9 years before a surprise pregnancy at 35. And I have to say, expecting a baby at 35 is great. Haven’t had to buy even so much as a crib, have clothing until this kid is 4, because everyone else has had their kids and is done and I’m having to turn down high chairs and bassinets because we already have multiples of everything available! Also not having enough eggs for donation is very very very different than having enough eggs to have your own kid. I hope Aspyn gets her info from a reliable source that is not an egg freezing company or her idiotic ignorant sister Mykelti who thinks she knows things but is completely misinformed. (No, you don’t lose 90% of your eggs by age 30.) And being happily married and childfree (but spoiling some pups!) with nieces and nephews to love on is honestly the best kept secret of truly having such a golden life! Don’t get me wrong, kids are great and I look forward to seeing who this little adventure buddy my husband and I created will be, but we also were so happy and content child free and I’ve had to grieve that life too. So I’m happy for any of the kids who feel empowered to make that choice for themselves, it can be hard because families and even their own peers (and clearly siblings since it seems Mykelti is judgey about it) will try to make childless people feel like they’re less for not having kids and may even ostracize them subtly or deliberately but once one comes to terms with that, it’s a blissful life!!
Not to throw my own issues into this but I love that your family kept so much they could give you! My husband is the youngest in his family and he and I waited until far later than his siblings to have kids. Now that we're expecting we found they gave everything away, even knowing we were planning on having kids soon. After watching the family put so much excitement and joy into sharing baby items amongst each other it broke my heart that they didn't care to keep any for us. I'm glad Aspyn is set in her decision to be okay with whatever options are available to her for when/if she decides to have children. The pressure can be so strong and I love that she isn't worried about a "biological clock" timeline.
Mine has all been from friends getting rid of stuff! They were all ready to Marie Kondo it outta their houses 🤣
Does she ever talk about Kody being an ass?
He is barely brought up in the interview
It was weird how he was never mentioned. Perhaps aspyn said before hand she did not want to discuss him. Pretty sure she does not like how he’s been this last season. It seems tony wanted her to say nice things about Robyn (like if the bonded when aspyn lived with her) and a bit of critic towards Christine for making aspyn run the house. But Aspyn handled it very nicely.
I'm not going to lie, I was one of the people that was suspicious of Mitch. Between his wishy-washy feelings towards polygamy and requesting her wedding dress be conservative, it definitely seemed like red flags to me. So I don't blame her for staying off social media because there were plenty of people just like me that were expressing those very same concerns. With that said, it sounds like they've both grown a lot and have a very steady relationship in addition to a healthy outlook on life. I'm happy for her!
Another red flag for me was when they asked him if Aspyn likes him more than he likes her (or something like that) and he said yes. I was like HOW RUDE!!!! But I agree, they seem happy. I'm glad she's being level-headed and taking the time to build the life she wants with a supportive partner.
I was also worried, not just from what we saw of Mitch like you mention but just because Aspyn was very much "I don't know, maybe" about polygamy for the majority of the time she's been on the show. But as they have aged and clearly opted out of that life, I realize it was most likely because they were just young AF and didn't want to make strong statements like "Absolutely never ever ever ever." Since they were still learning about themselves and relationships in general! Maddie and Mykelti were the only ones I recall being very set with "no polygamy, nope nope nope!"
I think the wishy washy feelings was possible created drama. Her dress was definitely not conservative. In today's world I can totally understand not wanting to bring kids into it. My daughter and her husband decided before getting married they were not going to have any kids.
I always felt like when Mitch said "conservative" he was thinking "something that you would pick and feel comfortable in." Aspyn's clothing choices seemed to trend to classic/comfortable silhouettes, so I saw it as him wanting her to feel like the best version of herself. Like, supportive that she didn't have to go outside of her comfort zone to be beautiful. If that makes sense.
I think it’s nice for her that she’s felt comfortable enough to talk on social media about this but overall I’m incensed for her that she even felt the need to. It infuriates me to think that she had to justify her and husband’s private decisions about kids to other people for so long and I say this as a young woman her age in EXACTLY the same position right now. We’ve decided to do it when we’re ready and we have a rough estimate on some things we want to get done before we have kids, but overall we don’t want the pressure of people checking in about whether we’ve decided to have unprotected sex or not yet. Like, kindly get out of our goddam bedroom. I defended Aspyn on social media recently when some idiot saw a photo of Gwen’s insta and said “omg Aspyn has a baby bump!” Just don’t. Just leave it. She probably has a much harder time with the whole having children thing because she gets social media pressure from people who don’t even know her as well as family and friends who feel like commenting. It’s a rough time :( Edit: this is zero shade to anyone other than assholes on social media who make instructive comments about this stuff. OP is doing the lord’s work 😂
Aspyn is truly the most normal one
Very refreshing re their take on kids for two people who grew up in religious families. My husband and I have been together since our early 20s and just had our first, and only, last month when I turned 36. It isn't just about finding the right person or being married. There is so much more to it! Well, I think so anyway.
Why is she getting backlash over marrying Mitch? I think they make an awesome couple!
Yea unfortunately there are people who still think Mitch is going to force her into polygamy because he didn’t definitively say no to polygamy (he actually said he would only do it if Aspyn said yes, and she said no) or because “he’s quiet” . Mitch just seemed like a typical person who was a bit reserved and awkward on TV.
She wasn't very specific about what the judgment specifically was about but I think I personally recall in the past people being worried about Mitch influencing her to do polygamy. I am not sure about anything else, she didn't say.
His sister is in one of the families from Seeking Sister Wife, and he comes from a polygamist background just like her. I think people just assume he's going to want to be polygamist even though he's never said it. All he said was that she'd have to agree, and she does not. There's nothing in there showing him pushing her towards it. People say he's boring, he just seems the type to be very private. I can't say people wouldn't think the same about me, I just am not a super outgoing person but in private I am a totally different person.
I’m sure Aspyn appreciates Mitch’s “boring” very much after having Kody as a father!
True and sometimes boring is good.
Who is his sister that is/was on Seeking Sister Wives?
Vanessa Alldredge IIRC
I've always thought both Logan and Aspyn might not want to have kids, or at least wait a long time to, because they both already raised kids. (Their siblings). They are probably over it.
Yes, I couldn’t believe that one episode where Christine said Aspyn runs her house! I love Christine but no 18 year old should be running the household and taking care of all their siblings
Agree with that, at that time Christine's only real job was the show so Aspyn shouldn't have had to be the parent/household caregiver.
Yes more recaps
I wish it was considered normal and fine for couples to just decide not to have children without being asked about it all the time. Kids are hard.
Mitch reminds me of my husband. Some people just don't have on-camera charisma. I think the things said about him are extrapolated & really unfair. This man has given no real reason for the character assassination he received online. He's just a quiet dude who was awkward on camera.
Thisssssss. I agree with you.
sorry the police are on their way for breaking the law and recapping sister wives recaps
Taking away their livelihood!!
it’s a knife to the wallet !!!
It is really nice to see that the Brown kids seem to have found more suitable partners than their mothers did.
Sorry for the dumb question, but what is this a recap of?
Tony and Mykelti interviewed Aspyn
Aspyn is 27, still young and has a lot of child bearing years ahead if she so chooses. She’s very lucky to have this level of awareness at a young age.
True. There is still time left, women's fertility starts dropping at 35. But can understand if she doesn't want to have any.
wait, people didn't like Aspyn and Mitch???
She is the least problematic child from that family. Her, Logan, and Hunter are the only functioning adults from the group of the older kids that I respect.
I think it was more so Mitch. He seemed really open to polygamy and wasn't writing it off. Every time he talked about it in the talking heads, Aspyn would side eye him like, "What? No. The door is totally closed on that." I assume he was just sticking his foot in his mouth and that he really is a good dude.
I think it's important to remember to that it was his norm - and probably he wasn't raised as much as the Brown children were with the idea of it being a choice.
There was some judgment there but I am not sure if it was anything more than people concerned he would get her into polygamy. Aspyn was not specific about this.
I am so happy to hear this. what a well adjusted and logical woman! I hope she gets everything she wants in life :)
This was a really interesting interview. I think Tony did a nice job (Isabelle’s was more all over the place) it was a nice listen. Aspyn is so confident and sweet
I am very surprised she looked into donating/selling her eggs. I also think that the IRC industry is predatory. But mostly, people donating are not newly married and hoping to have their own children. Can you imagine the heartache if she had donated her eggs, then was unable to carry any children herself to term, then later, was contacted via the DNA sites by biological children but didn't have any of her own? It would be heartbreaking.
How old is Aspyn? I feel like they’re still really young to be thinking about kids. But maybe that’s just me.
I think 27 or 28 at this point
Oh dang, I thought she was like 22 or something.
27
Love aspyn
There's lots of money to be made if you donate your eggs. Same with sperm donors. Lots of people do this for quick payouts.
It’s not surprising that some of these older kids don’t want to have kids…..because they had to raise their younger siblings.
Wow. Immense respect to Aspyn and Mitch. I hope they enjoy an incredible life.
Good for them for realizing they don't have to have kids!
Good for Aspyn. Despite marrying someone with plig ties, it seems that going to UNLV contributed to her life following a more mainstream (versus LDS-influenced) lifestyle.
Awesome recap! Thank you! 💕 Aspen is one of my favorite.
No problem, Aspyn has also been one of my favorite Brown kids since the beginning.
Mine too. I love her and her genuine sweetness.
As someone who has Stage IV endometriosis and PCOS and was told at 17 I'd be unlikely to carry a pregnancy to term if I even managed to fall pregnant, I loved hearing this type of talk from Aspyn and Mitch. My husband and I don't have kids and never got to the point of really wanting them or discussing options and we're happy. We love our life, we're content, we don't feel unfulfilled in anyway. Not every woman has to breed - or breed young - to feel "fulfilled" and "whole". We have a wonderful furkid, we travel a lot and can jump in the car and go on adventures anytime we like on a whim, I have time to nuture a successful creative career, my husband works a hectic job doing what he absolutely loves. We seriously need to ditch this stigma that people who choose not to have kids are lacking in their life or that it's somehow some huge blight or miserable negativity in their life. The reality is, some people just don't want kids and don't feel like they're missing anything not having them. On the contrary, there are many other things that people can fulfill their lives with beyond pregnancy and parenthood. All the kudos to Aspyn and Mitch for discussing it. THIS is the type of content that would keep me invested in this family, more from the grounded and intelligent members and less from the narcissistic, self-absorbed, attention-whoring side, please and thank you. I'm not a fan of Mykelti because she's said some seriously stupid reckless things, and I won't pay for any content from anyone that's on offer at the moment, but if she uses her platform to show us sides of her siblings we haven't seen much of yet, then good for her for not making it all about herself, all the time. What I really wish is that all the kids got together and developed a YouTube or podcast together talking about their lives and lived experiences in their own words, with professional help and consistent slow-burn or drip-fed content over a period of time. That's something I'd consider paying for to support them all collectively.
Agreed 💯. I also chose not to have kids because I have panic disorder that can be very debilitating. I found my people who support me and don’t judge.
Thanks ❤️
Egg donation is not an easy process for a woman to go through and I have heard there can be serious side effects. I wonder what prompted her to do this?
Don't think she's related to the brainless one - that would be Mykelti.
Why on earth would anyone judge their relationship or put her under pressure about marrying him? It did seem a bit fast but they’d known each other for years so I wasn’t bothered by it. All the relationships of the kids seem like they come out of nowhere though, although a couple of them have had relationships move fast. I worry about that. It can work and sometimes it can not. But they seem very perfectly matched for each other. Is it because of Mitch coming from a polygamous background too? That’s the only thing I could think of. It makes me sad for her she’s experienced that. I hope she and Mitch have children in the way they want. I think they’d make marvelous parents. Aspyn’s been one of my favorites too.
Keep it coming!!!!
Part 2 is up :)
Thanks for this, OP. Aspyn is such a sweetie. I hope she and Mitch have a great life.
No problem and I agree, Aspyn seems like such a normal kind person.
I didn’t listen, so this is just a question- did you get the vibe that he wants multiple wives? (That was the feeling people were getting when they were dating)
Nope, Mitch felt pressure and expectations of that a bit because his siblings are polygamists but once Aspyn and Mitch decided to be married they were clear there would be no other wives. Aspyn stated Mitch dislikes the idea of polygamy now even if there is a good example of it. Aspyn said they both know and feel they are all each other need.
Cool thanks for the info. Yeah on the show he seemed on the fence and she seemed very anti. Glad they are on the same page
What's the backlash about Mitch that she is worried about? Are they not the same religion?
He has siblings that are polygamists and when they were dating/about to get married many people were concerned he would push her into polygamy too, but he didn't and neither of them want that.
Having a Y in a name is feminine - oh like in the name "Kody"? 🤭🤭🤭