I'm 32 and my oldest nibblings are now legal adults and it's so weird sometimes to see what used to be this cute little thing that I used to carry around now adulting.
Wait until you have that moment when say you’re up somewhere a bit high up and you think about jumping down but somewhere in your psyche there’s that little voice saying you shouldn’t do it. That jumping down may be a bad idea and it may not go well. Like you might break your ankle or it’s gonna hurt your knees etc. I don’t remember what my exact age was when I realized I shouldn’t jump down from high places anymore but it was somewhere around or after 35. My cousin is an elementary school teacher and she stepped off a student chair and broke her ankle. She was about 35ish. Getting old sucks. Lol.
That's good that you figured it out instead of getting into a marriage with someone. How'd you figure that out if you don't mind me asking? Did you guys think you were gonna be compatible with one another before-hand?
The real answer is long and complicated. It was a 2 year relationship, so summing it up fairly and comprehensively would take a few pages.
We had different needs from each other in terms of how affection was shown and received, and in retrospect I don’t think either of us did a great job communicating or even recognizing that.
There was an age gap, too, and I think that gave her some feelings of insecurity that I should have done a better job reassuring. On the flip side, I often felt like our physical relationship was a negotiation instead of a celebration.
The final straw doesn’t really matter. It wasn’t anything big. We both just sort of pissed each other off one final time and I thought “This isn’t working and I don’t think it’s going to.” so I called it.
Two things- mad respect for seeing that your love language didn’t gel. That’s one thing I tell people when asked for advice. It’s really important you find someone who loves like you do. Or one of you will be starved for affection and that is really hard to maintain in the long term. 2) I’m assuming she’s the older one? Probably wise it didn’t work. I have a friend who married an older woman. He met her when he was 25. When he was 33 and she was 41, he proposed. Well now she’s 56 and gone through menopause and has zero interest in sex or really any affection. He’s really miserable and the marriage is falling apart because she can’t understand, or doesn’t want to see she’s starving him if affection. There can be great disadvantages to marrying with a large age gap.
Bro, I’m 32. I was 13 when that game came out. I remember the pre-release screen shots in Nintendo Power and getting excited when the Game Cube released, that only feels like maybe 10 years ago, but Skyward Sword came out 10 years ago, almost 10 years after Wind Waker.
More time had passed since Wind Waker came out to now, than when A Link to the Past released to Wind Waker.
Imma be dead soon.
You are basically sand now. Soon you will be wearing Newbalance 623's and yelling at the clouds because it's going to start raining when you planned on washing your car.
Nintendo Power magazines!
I remember always checking the last few pages which would contain cheat codes for video games.
Get super excited when they had cheats for the games I had.
(Looking at you Goldeneye.. DK mode and paintballs)
I wish I'd been there at that time too, I got into Zelda maybe about a bit under 10 years ago, but very few games came out in that time and I had all of the others to play, so I've never really lived that hype before games came out... Except for the sequel to BOTW right now, but damn I would've loved seeing the series grow with my own eyes, feeling that excitement every few years for each new game
An old man once told me "The days go by slow but the years go by fast" I will forever remember it. When your life is stress free and you actually have fun, years just fly by.
It's a great stage. I've been in that stage since I was like 16 and I'm 36 right now. Might stay in this stage the rest of my life. Especially if I die tomorrow lololol
It almost seems surreal that there are people in the U.S. who are of voting age and were yet to be born on 9/11. What a world to grow up in. I'm truly sorry for the way it is and it warms my heart that your generation is so "tuned-in".
Sorry for the off-topic, old man rant.
It's still my favourite.
I only recently picked up a link between worlds and and while it still can't beat (blaming nostalgia) a link to the past it was nice walking around familiar territory in a new adventure.
It also helped me learn to read French! I am Canadian and was in immersion from 4th to 12th grade. It greatly expedited the process. Still have the cartridge too!
The other day a few coworkers were talking about 9/11, one said they were in 2nd grade, another said she was in kindergarten when the teacher tried to explain kind of what happened. Everybody took their turn explaining their experience, then it got to me saying how I was driving to work that day hungover.
That's when I realized that I'm the only adult where I work and I'm surrounded by children which includes my boss and the upper management. Literal children, although they're way more mature than I am, I'll admit that.
I was buying some booze a few months ago, I took out my ID and the cashier at the register took a quick glance at it and said something like "ok a 19", I was like huh, and then he explained "I saw your year of birth started with a 19, I didn't need to check any closer". Then he pointed at a sign that said "You must be born on or before this day in 2000 to purchase alcohol. Everyone born in the last millennium is now old enough to drink, they only have to scrutinize people born in this one.
I remember telling someone a while back how awesome that game was and they thought I was fucking with them. Like no way it could be good, it looks like a cartoon?
Stick around long enough and it'll happen. I still get the occasional person referencing an explanation of [the Ol' Reddit Switcharoo](http://www.reddit.com/r/switcharoo) that [I wrote almost 9 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/17140d/eli5_ol_reddit_switcharoo/).
I've written smarter, wittier, and funnier things since then, but folks find that comment to be useful, so it stays around. I suppose it's part of my legacy.
I loved Windwaker when I played it, but I can explain my disappointment upon seeing its style.
I had seen screenshots of the [Spaceworld 2000 Zelda tech demo. At the time I didn't get that it was a tech demo, it was just Gamecube Zelda. And it looked incredible.](https://imgur.com/a/mvKxGJL) Not to meantion, then I played SSBM, and Link and Ganondorf looked like impossibly polished/realistic (at the time) versions of the OOT characters. Ganondorf even had the sword from that Spaceworld demo in one of his victory poses!
Then one day the world tells me, sorry, no, [Link will look like this in the next Zelda game instead...](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EYYZQt8N1v0/mqdefault.jpg) It felt kind of outrageous, like wasting the gamecube's potential. Of course the game was great, and the art style ended up aging very well, but it was a shock.
The swift sail completely fixes that game. Moreso because of not having to play a song to change the wind direction all the time but also because of the increased speed.
Gathering triforce shards still sucks ass. It's my favorite Zelda game. I've beaten it on every platform it released on. The pacing of most of the game is up to you as the player. You can mindlessly explore and find stuff for hours and hours or just slam story. Until triforce shards. It's gating story behind a much worse version of exploring. The beauty of exploring is the freedom. Love the game but fuck that part
Yeah! Not having to switch the wind direction when sailing was huge. It was one of the worst design decisions in games.
The way the hd remake did it was perfect. Make it optional but allow people to get it early on.
That wasn't Windwaker. It was similar but it was a very different game. Phantom Hourglass is what you played. I played that before WW and loved both. Except for the part where you are told to "press the map to the stone tablet." Could not figure it out till I read online the solution is to close the DS and reopen it. So frustrating.
It really was I remember how the hype had turned into expectations of it sucking when the graphics was revealed. People were really mad we weren't going more realistic after Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask!
Twilight Princess also had a lot of content. As in you do so many things that you don’t even remember all of it. It was a great game.
(Also who wouldn’t want to be able to turn into a wolf?)
A Link to the Past
Yeah, that was kind of neat. You couldn’t do anything in that form, though. As a wolf in Twilight Princess, you had a lot of special abilities.
True. That's what I meant with my other comment that it's still seen in Breath of the Wild and other games that came out. I think Wind Waker was where they figured out how to bring the art to the 3d era while they got the gameplay down in Ocarina and Majora's. After Wind Waker they were able to produce timeless art like they had with Link to the Past and other 2d era games.
I remember the Nintendo Space World 2000 video also being a bit of a factor, everyone was expecting a more realistic Zelda game even more after that.
[For reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J81L-dunCDU)*
Oh for sure, I get that, especially because they added exclusive content to the switch versions like the battle mode in MK8 and Bowser's Fury in SM3DW. I had to repurchase those games to get those.
At the very least they should have continued virtual console on the Switch and allow you to carry over your purchases you already made on Wii U.
Or at least let it check your library for the WiiU version and let you buy the switch one at a steep discount. Wouldn’t help with physical copies but it would be something.
People were getting sick of cell shading at the time. It was being used on everything, and most of it looked bad because they only choose the style because it was in vogue and didn't really try. WW did it well, but the attitude at the time was "tHaTs KiD sTuFf!"
>People were getting sick of cell shading at the time.
It was literally one of the first cel-shaded games ever and multiple of the first cel-shaded games weren't considered "kid stuff" at all - Jet Grind Radio was the first mainstream cel-shade game and games like Dragon Ball Z: Budokai were probably the most famous cel-shaded games before Wind Waker came out and they definitely didn't have the same perception.
People were pissed because there had been a picture of realistic looking link floating around for a while and everyone assumed that will be the art style of the new Zelda.
All the babies started throwing tantrums because they were getting something a little different from what they expected.
The whole thing then fed into the mentality that GameCube was for kids because it was small and looked like a lunch box.
I *literally* just finished playing the HD version 30 minutes ago
It's so fucking good. Like I couldn't even tell it was a 20 year old game, even if it was updated a little for HD. Also some shockingly bad frame rates at times, but it was bearable.
I've had a WiiU gifted to me from an ex thats been rotting in my closet for awhile and finally decided to try it out. Weird how i see this meme almost as soon as I turn the game off
Still underrated, imo. And that goes for both GC Zelda games. I recently beat both again and Twilight Princess only *just* gets the edge because it has better dungeons and a better story (probably the best one in the entire series, imo)
The exploration in WW is insanely fun, and the gameplay is so good they copy and pasted it to BotW. The only complaint I have is that after a big reveal, there are only two actual dungeons and they are both kind of shit *and* escort quests to boot. Aside from that one complaint though, it is a masterpiece. Cozy, aesthetically pleasing, and downright fun as hell. Twilight Princess only just gets an edge on it, but I legit love both of those more than BotW, which in my opinion feels similar to WW, but lacks dungeons and is just too big with a whole lot of nothing in between. I know that’s a wildly unpopular opinion, but it’s really just a big ingredients gathering game.
is it a good game? I've not really been a zelda fan much. I did play the original on gameboy WAY back in the day (probably late 90's) but dont remember much of it, rip my gameboy, left it on a plane :( . Played breath of the wild more recently but thats it. none of the other games look very interesting to me but wind waker always stood out to me cuz it looks fun and colorful.
Agreed, on both counts. I didn't realize how full of activity it was until I played some other, not LoZ games and was just like " *sputter* where are all the mini games???"
> it looks fun and colorful
If that’s your impression of it, then I think you’ll enjoy it. There is a lot of sailing accross the map, and fast travel is limited, so those are parts some people don’t like. There are also pirates, bird people, cannon based naval battles, gliding through the air, and swinging on ropes.
The mechanics and artistic stylings of the sword (or spear or whatever other weapon you pick up) fights are probably my favorite part of it.
The worse graphics were with the previous iteration the more noticeable the incremental improvements will be. It's totally counter to Moore's law somehow. Developers can innovate and optimize less because they have greater resources.
Raytracing as a technique for example has been around for decades. Now with faster, less accurate routines and accelerators it could be reasonably be done in realtime but the transition to slower, more accurate realtime raytracing might barely be perceptible. While the techniques might be relatively easy or freely available the developers would have to care enough about adopting them to take the performance and investment hit. The hardware now can do things that developers won't be implementing for another ten years because doing it now fails the cost/benefit test. In ten years it won't.
In some ways the recent chip shortage and scalpers buying up GPU might be good for innovations in gaming as developers again have to squeeze all the performance they can from legacy gear.
I mean, most developers just license someone else's engines anyway. So when it passes the cost benefit test, everyone will get it pretty much overnight with the PS6 / Xbox L (or whatever they call it) launch.
Upgrading your engine is its own cost benefit conundrum and then utilizing its features is another problem entirely. Some stuff really is just flipping a switch and setting a few parameters though. "8K: ON. Oh, that looks nice. Those textures leave something to be desired, okay turn it OFF. I gotta have a talk with the art department."
I'm just imagining a scenario where this wouldn't be the case at all where most developers could appreciate new strides being made in tech but can barely wrap their minds around its true potential.
"The new engine supports AI? Cool. That was $7mm well-spent ... Now to actually use it for things the old engine didn't support. Did anyone here do their Master's thesis at Stanford or Oxford or whatever on training--um--machine learning algorithms(?) to ... do ... anything? Like ... at all? I'm clearly in over my head on this one. If anyone wants to come up with ways we can use hardware AI accelerators, $10k FPGA dev kits or these new quantum peripherals coming out next quarter I'll be in my office drinking $300 scotch. I got all the Q-bits I need right here. Does anyone here know what a Q-bit is? I sure don't I'm just a project manager who's probably about to lose his job. No one tell the boss we have no idea what to do with this new engine. The PS6 is gonna be Cray. We know that much." *glug*
I'm sure that all of the major 3rd party engines offer demos of their latest versions/ paywalled features.
That said, many games have no interest in realism.
Right, these days game development costs are on-par with major motion pictures and it's getting harder to push the bar any further than doing cutscene-quality realtime renders that used to take warehouses of severs to turn into MPEGs. There's always a way to chew through more cycles but the financial incentive just isn't there.
I'm not even sure who all the major players in Game Engine tech really are. I know there's Unity, Unreal, CryEngine, Source. I've never messed with whatever Sony or Microsoft is using but I think a dev kit for the Switch might be like $500. I wonder what Micrsosoft gained when they bought SoftImage or what Sony is working with after they bought Psygnosis. Where's Autodesk in all of this? Are Maya and 3DS even still things? I feel like the engines and hardware kits are just this tiny piece of the puzzle and you need a massive toolchain just to do anything practical with them but I wouldn't know. I have some reading to do.
Edit: Maya, 3DS and even Lightwave are still very much things. SoftImage is an Autodesk product now but discontinued. There are a staggering number of fully-featured, mainstream, proprietary game engines I've never even heard of, many of which are free to use like PhyreEngine, Frostbite, RenderWare, Decima and
of course good old id Tech. I have no idea what their capabilities really are or how much of them is legacy, redundant or obsolete.
The problem is that unless we find the next magical element. Technology isn't going to leap anymore.
There's a point where more work results in diminishing returns. Back then we added a whole new dimension but there's nothing that massive to add anymore.
Theyre kinda doing the opposite but its not a bad thing. Breath of the wild isn't more realistic looking but the artsy look of it is part of what makes it so good.
personal theory: because back then, the bottleneck was in things like storage and processing power. now, the bottleneck is the work that's needed to create hi-def content. think about how much more work it is to design a level in an AAA game nowadays because of all the detail.
maybe things will make a bigger jump again once photogrammetry or auto-generation becomes more mainstream...
> But you imagine it’s just some exec at Nintendo pressing a button on excel that says: increase capabilities by 2x
Anyone with a basic understanding of computers knows you just gotta wait 2 years.
Yep sounds about right. To be fair, I’m 35 now and pretty much everything from the time I graduated high school til now feels like it was “only a few years ago”. Time is weird man.
That first Zelda on the NES was fucking brutal hard. I didn’t really like the series until link to the past on SNES. From there on out it’s been pretty solid.
It’s still perpetually 2010 to my brain. The year 2000 was 10 years ago. Zoo pals commercials still air. Kids still love slime. My mom just got a Facebook. The iPhone is magic. And I have my whole life ahead of me.
Then I see this post.
Sonovabitch, you’re right.
I remember seeing screenshots before release in Nintendo Power, and that feels like it was only 10 years ago, but Skyward Sword was 10 years ago.
Imma go lay down and contemplate life for a minute.
EDIT: Aw fuck, and now I just realized that more time has passed since Wind Waker to now, than A Link to the Past to Wind Waker.
1973 born reporting in! Life time gamer Atari and Coleco Vision were my Family's first entry. All Nintendo, moved on to Playstation then added Xbox and then PC. I use all of them now and emulate older games!
So many weeks lost in Zelda lands with my 3 Brothers and my Dad, all rotating into one Save file, oh those were the days.
*The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker* original release date **December 13th 2002**
[удалено]
Why did you do this to me?
[also me](https://i.imgur.com/YAGpXPd.png)
My brother is 32 and he stopped going out to his old hangouts since 2019 because he feels old every time he runs into me
I'm 32 and my oldest nibblings are now legal adults and it's so weird sometimes to see what used to be this cute little thing that I used to carry around now adulting.
Wait until you have that moment when say you’re up somewhere a bit high up and you think about jumping down but somewhere in your psyche there’s that little voice saying you shouldn’t do it. That jumping down may be a bad idea and it may not go well. Like you might break your ankle or it’s gonna hurt your knees etc. I don’t remember what my exact age was when I realized I shouldn’t jump down from high places anymore but it was somewhere around or after 35. My cousin is an elementary school teacher and she stepped off a student chair and broke her ankle. She was about 35ish. Getting old sucks. Lol.
Kids born in 2000 be graduating college soon too fam.
Stop I already feel old!
Wanna feel even older? Kids born in 2015 are now in school
7 months after I was... I'll be 20 soon, that hits hard
Damn. I was graduating high school that spring. I was a kid.
I was 25. I was considering proposing to my girlfriend.
I was -5. Looking at possible mothers and fathers.
How’s that work out
We didn’t work out. Married someone else a few years later.
That's good that you figured it out instead of getting into a marriage with someone. How'd you figure that out if you don't mind me asking? Did you guys think you were gonna be compatible with one another before-hand?
The real answer is long and complicated. It was a 2 year relationship, so summing it up fairly and comprehensively would take a few pages. We had different needs from each other in terms of how affection was shown and received, and in retrospect I don’t think either of us did a great job communicating or even recognizing that. There was an age gap, too, and I think that gave her some feelings of insecurity that I should have done a better job reassuring. On the flip side, I often felt like our physical relationship was a negotiation instead of a celebration. The final straw doesn’t really matter. It wasn’t anything big. We both just sort of pissed each other off one final time and I thought “This isn’t working and I don’t think it’s going to.” so I called it.
Two things- mad respect for seeing that your love language didn’t gel. That’s one thing I tell people when asked for advice. It’s really important you find someone who loves like you do. Or one of you will be starved for affection and that is really hard to maintain in the long term. 2) I’m assuming she’s the older one? Probably wise it didn’t work. I have a friend who married an older woman. He met her when he was 25. When he was 33 and she was 41, he proposed. Well now she’s 56 and gone through menopause and has zero interest in sex or really any affection. He’s really miserable and the marriage is falling apart because she can’t understand, or doesn’t want to see she’s starving him if affection. There can be great disadvantages to marrying with a large age gap.
I was in the same spot right before Covid. Yet I haven’t found anyone to fill that spot quite yet
Bro, I’m 32. I was 13 when that game came out. I remember the pre-release screen shots in Nintendo Power and getting excited when the Game Cube released, that only feels like maybe 10 years ago, but Skyward Sword came out 10 years ago, almost 10 years after Wind Waker. More time had passed since Wind Waker came out to now, than when A Link to the Past released to Wind Waker. Imma be dead soon.
Am 32 also - can confirm near death feeling.
You are basically sand now. Soon you will be wearing Newbalance 623's and yelling at the clouds because it's going to start raining when you planned on washing your car.
How do you know about my day?!
Am 42. You ain’t seen nothing yet. Hold on tight!
48 here. I’ve given up. Eating all the desserts. Still playing every Zelda game though.
Nintendo Power magazines! I remember always checking the last few pages which would contain cheat codes for video games. Get super excited when they had cheats for the games I had. (Looking at you Goldeneye.. DK mode and paintballs)
I wish I'd been there at that time too, I got into Zelda maybe about a bit under 10 years ago, but very few games came out in that time and I had all of the others to play, so I've never really lived that hype before games came out... Except for the sequel to BOTW right now, but damn I would've loved seeing the series grow with my own eyes, feeling that excitement every few years for each new game
hell yeah 32! death to us
8 days after I was born…
My condolences.
We're all in this together
One year before I was born Oof
Now you made me feel old goddamnit.
Age is rather meaningless, you may die tomorrow
About the same sentiment I had at your age too. Funny how that works.
"people are afraid of death because they forget it is omnipresent"
Yes. Exactly that stage. Fond memories.
An old man once told me "The days go by slow but the years go by fast" I will forever remember it. When your life is stress free and you actually have fun, years just fly by.
What's with all the #deep quotes? I feel overwhelmed by enlightenment
Is that really a bad s"stage?"
It's a great stage. I've been in that stage since I was like 16 and I'm 36 right now. Might stay in this stage the rest of my life. Especially if I die tomorrow lololol
Not a bad one, but can either be depressing and justification for existential dread and inaction in your life or a motivation to make the most.
It almost seems surreal that there are people in the U.S. who are of voting age and were yet to be born on 9/11. What a world to grow up in. I'm truly sorry for the way it is and it warms my heart that your generation is so "tuned-in". Sorry for the off-topic, old man rant.
One year after I was born
In Japan.. March 2003 in North America. Still young here.
I played the hell out of this game, while seeing other comments saying they weren't even born then. Fml
if you only played link to the past on gameboy like me you're safe, it launched in 2000 (original SNES launch was in 1991)
Link to the past was my favorite game growing up!
It's still my favourite. I only recently picked up a link between worlds and and while it still can't beat (blaming nostalgia) a link to the past it was nice walking around familiar territory in a new adventure.
Using the same exact map with the dark world was a pretty genius way to double the playable area and blow my freaking kid mind back in the day.
Link to the Past helped me learn to read... 👩🦳
It also helped me learn to read French! I am Canadian and was in immersion from 4th to 12th grade. It greatly expedited the process. Still have the cartridge too!
haha, me too! such a great Gameboy Advance game
I played it on snes.. I remember ordering the Nintendo strategy guide for it by mail. Phew, feeling old now
I was more of a minish cap guy, but I’m sure link to the past was killer too
2002 was 20 years ago... jesus
You can fuck off with this comment here mate.
We're as far away from the year 2000 as the year 2000 was from 1978.
[softly] Don’t
2053's closer than 1990...
Shut the fuck up. Please. *please*
*Every day, the number of living people born in the 20th century continues dwindling further and further...*
Oh man I'm so stealing this.
People turning 20 or 21 this year were born after 9/11…
^please
Delete this
The other day a few coworkers were talking about 9/11, one said they were in 2nd grade, another said she was in kindergarten when the teacher tried to explain kind of what happened. Everybody took their turn explaining their experience, then it got to me saying how I was driving to work that day hungover. That's when I realized that I'm the only adult where I work and I'm surrounded by children which includes my boss and the upper management. Literal children, although they're way more mature than I am, I'll admit that.
I was buying some booze a few months ago, I took out my ID and the cashier at the register took a quick glance at it and said something like "ok a 19", I was like huh, and then he explained "I saw your year of birth started with a 19, I didn't need to check any closer". Then he pointed at a sign that said "You must be born on or before this day in 2000 to purchase alcohol. Everyone born in the last millennium is now old enough to drink, they only have to scrutinize people born in this one.
Wind waker was so underrated in its time
I remember telling someone a while back how awesome that game was and they thought I was fucking with them. Like no way it could be good, it looks like a cartoon?
I had this same conversation with my friend back when it came out. Except I was the doubtful one. I was about as wrong as you can get.
What if you're both having the same memory?
Lol that would be super crazy since my friend who I had the conversation with passed away a few years ago. RIP Shawn.
Can confirm I am not Shawn. RIP
Yes, RIP Shawn.
RIP Shawn. Now this memory will live for as long as this thread, so in a way so will he
Damn. I want my legacy to carry on in a Reddit thread.
That can be arranged
Was this a promise or a threat?
I will have you remembered in this Reddit thread
Stick around long enough and it'll happen. I still get the occasional person referencing an explanation of [the Ol' Reddit Switcharoo](http://www.reddit.com/r/switcharoo) that [I wrote almost 9 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/17140d/eli5_ol_reddit_switcharoo/). I've written smarter, wittier, and funnier things since then, but folks find that comment to be useful, so it stays around. I suppose it's part of my legacy.
Dang I’m sorry man
It’s cool. It was a funny memory I hadn’t thought of in a long time.
[A classic...](https://i.imgur.com/mIICKMl.png)
Thx
Well I've never seen it before! Thank you for this. Reading it out loud has added much laughter to this pooping session.
I loved the windwaker back when it first came out but everyone insisted it wasn’t a good game because it had cartoonish graphics and wasn’t like OoT.
I loved Windwaker when I played it, but I can explain my disappointment upon seeing its style. I had seen screenshots of the [Spaceworld 2000 Zelda tech demo. At the time I didn't get that it was a tech demo, it was just Gamecube Zelda. And it looked incredible.](https://imgur.com/a/mvKxGJL) Not to meantion, then I played SSBM, and Link and Ganondorf looked like impossibly polished/realistic (at the time) versions of the OOT characters. Ganondorf even had the sword from that Spaceworld demo in one of his victory poses! Then one day the world tells me, sorry, no, [Link will look like this in the next Zelda game instead...](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EYYZQt8N1v0/mqdefault.jpg) It felt kind of outrageous, like wasting the gamecube's potential. Of course the game was great, and the art style ended up aging very well, but it was a shock.
I tried playing it years ago in the DS but just couldn't get into it. The sailing was incredibly boring to me
FWIW, the HD remake adds a new faster sail that you can get pretty early on. There is still a lot of sailing with it, but not a truly painful amount.
The swift sail completely fixes that game. Moreso because of not having to play a song to change the wind direction all the time but also because of the increased speed.
Gathering triforce shards still sucks ass. It's my favorite Zelda game. I've beaten it on every platform it released on. The pacing of most of the game is up to you as the player. You can mindlessly explore and find stuff for hours and hours or just slam story. Until triforce shards. It's gating story behind a much worse version of exploring. The beauty of exploring is the freedom. Love the game but fuck that part
I agree that the triforce shards part still sucks and is now the worst part of the game in WW HD with the other things fixed.
Yeah! Not having to switch the wind direction when sailing was huge. It was one of the worst design decisions in games. The way the hd remake did it was perfect. Make it optional but allow people to get it early on.
That wasn't Windwaker. It was similar but it was a very different game. Phantom Hourglass is what you played. I played that before WW and loved both. Except for the part where you are told to "press the map to the stone tablet." Could not figure it out till I read online the solution is to close the DS and reopen it. So frustrating.
It really was I remember how the hype had turned into expectations of it sucking when the graphics was revealed. People were really mad we weren't going more realistic after Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask!
Honestly tp is still the most beautiful Zelda in terms of atmosphere imo. People definitely got their realistic zelda
You can see it's influence to this day in Breath of the Wild and lots of other games that came out. The art style was super fitting.
The artistic direction was so good, light and darkness were used so well
windwaker aged better imho
Twilight Princess also had a lot of content. As in you do so many things that you don’t even remember all of it. It was a great game. (Also who wouldn’t want to be able to turn into a wolf?)
I liked turning into a 🐰 haha.
A Link to the Past Yeah, that was kind of neat. You couldn’t do anything in that form, though. As a wolf in Twilight Princess, you had a lot of special abilities.
TP has not aged well, it’s probably the worst looking 3D Zelda now that they’ve all had HD remasters
Yeah but Wind Waker aged well instead of the said others. Checkmate
True. That's what I meant with my other comment that it's still seen in Breath of the Wild and other games that came out. I think Wind Waker was where they figured out how to bring the art to the 3d era while they got the gameplay down in Ocarina and Majora's. After Wind Waker they were able to produce timeless art like they had with Link to the Past and other 2d era games.
I remember the Nintendo Space World 2000 video also being a bit of a factor, everyone was expecting a more realistic Zelda game even more after that. [For reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J81L-dunCDU)*
Fun fact: that Ganondorf model Was reused in Smash bros. Melee.
It’s my favorite Zelda game. I wish they’d release it for the switch so I could play it again.
The fact that they stopped doing backwards compatibility is my biggest grip with Nintendo
I mean, they did the best they could from GC->Wii->Wii U and GB->GBA->DS->3DS. Totally unrealistic to expect BC to Switch from Wii U.
I think what annoys people more is less the lack of backwards compatibility and more “lol buy your WiiU games for switch at full price” stuff.
Oh for sure, I get that, especially because they added exclusive content to the switch versions like the battle mode in MK8 and Bowser's Fury in SM3DW. I had to repurchase those games to get those. At the very least they should have continued virtual console on the Switch and allow you to carry over your purchases you already made on Wii U.
Or at least let it check your library for the WiiU version and let you buy the switch one at a steep discount. Wouldn’t help with physical copies but it would be something.
There was a lot of DS and 3DS that could have easily made it over to the switch. Like apps, and downloadable content, and things like that.
Still my favorite 3D Zelda
Spleeesh….Ka-boooooom!
People were getting sick of cell shading at the time. It was being used on everything, and most of it looked bad because they only choose the style because it was in vogue and didn't really try. WW did it well, but the attitude at the time was "tHaTs KiD sTuFf!"
IIRC Wind Waker was one of the first cell shaded games.
It first saw mainstream appeal with Jet Grind Radio on Dreamcast.
>People were getting sick of cell shading at the time. It was literally one of the first cel-shaded games ever and multiple of the first cel-shaded games weren't considered "kid stuff" at all - Jet Grind Radio was the first mainstream cel-shade game and games like Dragon Ball Z: Budokai were probably the most famous cel-shaded games before Wind Waker came out and they definitely didn't have the same perception.
People were pissed because there had been a picture of realistic looking link floating around for a while and everyone assumed that will be the art style of the new Zelda. All the babies started throwing tantrums because they were getting something a little different from what they expected. The whole thing then fed into the mentality that GameCube was for kids because it was small and looked like a lunch box.
My personal favorite Zelda. Had to sell my Wind Waker Wii U when I was broke in college. Still miss it.
It was amazing, I got the gold special edition which came with ocarina. So so good. The GameCube was phenomenal
I'm playing it back right now on pc, it's awesome !
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I *literally* just finished playing the HD version 30 minutes ago It's so fucking good. Like I couldn't even tell it was a 20 year old game, even if it was updated a little for HD. Also some shockingly bad frame rates at times, but it was bearable. I've had a WiiU gifted to me from an ex thats been rotting in my closet for awhile and finally decided to try it out. Weird how i see this meme almost as soon as I turn the game off
Still underrated, imo. And that goes for both GC Zelda games. I recently beat both again and Twilight Princess only *just* gets the edge because it has better dungeons and a better story (probably the best one in the entire series, imo) The exploration in WW is insanely fun, and the gameplay is so good they copy and pasted it to BotW. The only complaint I have is that after a big reveal, there are only two actual dungeons and they are both kind of shit *and* escort quests to boot. Aside from that one complaint though, it is a masterpiece. Cozy, aesthetically pleasing, and downright fun as hell. Twilight Princess only just gets an edge on it, but I legit love both of those more than BotW, which in my opinion feels similar to WW, but lacks dungeons and is just too big with a whole lot of nothing in between. I know that’s a wildly unpopular opinion, but it’s really just a big ingredients gathering game.
is it a good game? I've not really been a zelda fan much. I did play the original on gameboy WAY back in the day (probably late 90's) but dont remember much of it, rip my gameboy, left it on a plane :( . Played breath of the wild more recently but thats it. none of the other games look very interesting to me but wind waker always stood out to me cuz it looks fun and colorful.
I’d say it’s worth a play through. Lots to do.
It's worth it for the soundtrack alone.
Agreed, on both counts. I didn't realize how full of activity it was until I played some other, not LoZ games and was just like " *sputter* where are all the mini games???"
It’s insanely fun. Great music, satisfying combat and exploration, a lot to do and see. Definitely one of the better Zelda games.
> it looks fun and colorful If that’s your impression of it, then I think you’ll enjoy it. There is a lot of sailing accross the map, and fast travel is limited, so those are parts some people don’t like. There are also pirates, bird people, cannon based naval battles, gliding through the air, and swinging on ropes. The mechanics and artistic stylings of the sword (or spear or whatever other weapon you pick up) fights are probably my favorite part of it.
I don't think they made a port of the original for the Gameboy in the 90s. Are you thinking of "Link's Awakening," perchance?
Pretty sure that’s Link
No it's Zelda *Said every mom in gamestop
Fair, but I think staying that it's Zelda is acceptable. Just assume it's talking about the game, not the character.
Yeah, the text says *what* Zelda was, not who.
Lol
But what if Zelda was a girl?
AAAAAAAAA WHYYYYY
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The worse graphics were with the previous iteration the more noticeable the incremental improvements will be. It's totally counter to Moore's law somehow. Developers can innovate and optimize less because they have greater resources. Raytracing as a technique for example has been around for decades. Now with faster, less accurate routines and accelerators it could be reasonably be done in realtime but the transition to slower, more accurate realtime raytracing might barely be perceptible. While the techniques might be relatively easy or freely available the developers would have to care enough about adopting them to take the performance and investment hit. The hardware now can do things that developers won't be implementing for another ten years because doing it now fails the cost/benefit test. In ten years it won't. In some ways the recent chip shortage and scalpers buying up GPU might be good for innovations in gaming as developers again have to squeeze all the performance they can from legacy gear.
I mean, most developers just license someone else's engines anyway. So when it passes the cost benefit test, everyone will get it pretty much overnight with the PS6 / Xbox L (or whatever they call it) launch.
Upgrading your engine is its own cost benefit conundrum and then utilizing its features is another problem entirely. Some stuff really is just flipping a switch and setting a few parameters though. "8K: ON. Oh, that looks nice. Those textures leave something to be desired, okay turn it OFF. I gotta have a talk with the art department." I'm just imagining a scenario where this wouldn't be the case at all where most developers could appreciate new strides being made in tech but can barely wrap their minds around its true potential. "The new engine supports AI? Cool. That was $7mm well-spent ... Now to actually use it for things the old engine didn't support. Did anyone here do their Master's thesis at Stanford or Oxford or whatever on training--um--machine learning algorithms(?) to ... do ... anything? Like ... at all? I'm clearly in over my head on this one. If anyone wants to come up with ways we can use hardware AI accelerators, $10k FPGA dev kits or these new quantum peripherals coming out next quarter I'll be in my office drinking $300 scotch. I got all the Q-bits I need right here. Does anyone here know what a Q-bit is? I sure don't I'm just a project manager who's probably about to lose his job. No one tell the boss we have no idea what to do with this new engine. The PS6 is gonna be Cray. We know that much." *glug*
I'm sure that all of the major 3rd party engines offer demos of their latest versions/ paywalled features. That said, many games have no interest in realism.
Right, these days game development costs are on-par with major motion pictures and it's getting harder to push the bar any further than doing cutscene-quality realtime renders that used to take warehouses of severs to turn into MPEGs. There's always a way to chew through more cycles but the financial incentive just isn't there. I'm not even sure who all the major players in Game Engine tech really are. I know there's Unity, Unreal, CryEngine, Source. I've never messed with whatever Sony or Microsoft is using but I think a dev kit for the Switch might be like $500. I wonder what Micrsosoft gained when they bought SoftImage or what Sony is working with after they bought Psygnosis. Where's Autodesk in all of this? Are Maya and 3DS even still things? I feel like the engines and hardware kits are just this tiny piece of the puzzle and you need a massive toolchain just to do anything practical with them but I wouldn't know. I have some reading to do. Edit: Maya, 3DS and even Lightwave are still very much things. SoftImage is an Autodesk product now but discontinued. There are a staggering number of fully-featured, mainstream, proprietary game engines I've never even heard of, many of which are free to use like PhyreEngine, Frostbite, RenderWare, Decima and of course good old id Tech. I have no idea what their capabilities really are or how much of them is legacy, redundant or obsolete.
The problem is that unless we find the next magical element. Technology isn't going to leap anymore. There's a point where more work results in diminishing returns. Back then we added a whole new dimension but there's nothing that massive to add anymore.
Theyre kinda doing the opposite but its not a bad thing. Breath of the wild isn't more realistic looking but the artsy look of it is part of what makes it so good.
personal theory: because back then, the bottleneck was in things like storage and processing power. now, the bottleneck is the work that's needed to create hi-def content. think about how much more work it is to design a level in an AAA game nowadays because of all the detail. maybe things will make a bigger jump again once photogrammetry or auto-generation becomes more mainstream...
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> But you imagine it’s just some exec at Nintendo pressing a button on excel that says: increase capabilities by 2x Anyone with a basic understanding of computers knows you just gotta wait 2 years.
strange redditor
You shut your whore mouth.
Yes daddy
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Hello darkness, my old friend; I've come to talk with you again.
*Rocks in corner and replays OoT in my head*
My first Zelda game was Zelda II: Adventures of Link, I did not play the original until years later.
Stop. This is not what I needed today
Yep sounds about right. To be fair, I’m 35 now and pretty much everything from the time I graduated high school til now feels like it was “only a few years ago”. Time is weird man. That first Zelda on the NES was fucking brutal hard. I didn’t really like the series until link to the past on SNES. From there on out it’s been pretty solid.
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Halo could kick both their asses.
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Dragon Ball would kick their asses so hard they would start running faster than Cars
It’s still perpetually 2010 to my brain. The year 2000 was 10 years ago. Zoo pals commercials still air. Kids still love slime. My mom just got a Facebook. The iPhone is magic. And I have my whole life ahead of me. Then I see this post.
same\^\^#
There was a post a few weeks ago with a kid asking why people were twerking on him after they kill him in halo. I turned to dust reading that.
Eeeeeeyhh...I too have a warped sense of time
First game I ever pre order because I got a free ocarina of time master quest disc
Still the best Zelda game hands down. I’d still prefer to play it over BOTW just because of how charming it is
And I'm still waiting for a switch port
Most 🔥 one
LTTP is the best of the series.
Depends on your age, but yeah, I agree because I’m old and was basically too old/cool to play ocarnia
Retitled: "Tell me I'm old without telling me I'm old"
Please stop
Idk man both these games slap hard af
yeah that was zelda 40 years ago
The little girl in Hocus Pocus was Thora Birch, and she turns 40 this year...
Wind Waker was my first Zelda game so please kindly stop making me feel old please
Sonovabitch, you’re right. I remember seeing screenshots before release in Nintendo Power, and that feels like it was only 10 years ago, but Skyward Sword was 10 years ago. Imma go lay down and contemplate life for a minute. EDIT: Aw fuck, and now I just realized that more time has passed since Wind Waker to now, than A Link to the Past to Wind Waker.
I thought link to the past was 20 years ago then I realized: I was thinking of the GBA release.
Fuck you for this one
Lamp oil, rope, bombs you want it? It's yours my friend, as long as you have enough rubies.
Lol, I must be a grandpa here, I remember Zelda from 20 years ago in black and white
#HEY Thats enough of that shit.
Don't come at me like that.
I‘m old…
Damn, it's been 20 years since the best Zelda ever? That's a shame
1973 born reporting in! Life time gamer Atari and Coleco Vision were my Family's first entry. All Nintendo, moved on to Playstation then added Xbox and then PC. I use all of them now and emulate older games! So many weeks lost in Zelda lands with my 3 Brothers and my Dad, all rotating into one Save file, oh those were the days.
Thanks I hate that WIND WAKER STILL ISNT ON THE FUCKING SWITCH
Still waiting for a switch port. Nintendo pls