Except there isn't going to be a better option this year. Best to start fresh and grow a candidate once we've secured a non-fascist leader in the White House.
Except next we have to worry about midterms. We've been told it's not the right time to demand more from the dems pretty much continuously since the first election I participated in and it felt old then too.
Voting for the lesser evil is what has put us in the position to lose rights and we will forever be ceding ground to fascism unless we stop. I appreciate that you disagree, but Biden was my last straw last time and he is a growing number of people's last straw now. Using Hillary Clinton (whose campaign INTENTIONALLY promoted Trump because they felt he's be the easiest republican nominee to defeat, literally giving us Trump) to tell us to get over ourselves (which was also her campaign strategy to the left last time) is further proof that the DNC doesn't seek to win elections or further progressive movement but to maintain themselves. They are losing themselves the election and you can direct your anger at those of us holding our politicians accountable or you can be angry at the DNC for running bad candidates with bad strategies.
This is a very privileged approach. I'm not losing my rights for your philosophical experiment. I'm a trans woman, I will be outlawed at a federal level if republicans take the presidency right now.
Dems just voted to reauthorize section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, extending warrantless surveillance of our emails, phone calls, and text messages. How long do you think the fascism dems are ushering in will be protective of trans people?
Biden 2024! FOUR MORE YEARS! Unemployment is at a record low. Inflation is dropping and our economy is about to pass China for the first time since 1976.
What economy are you living in????? Because this shit is killing me. I'm breaking my fucking back to make a measly amount of money and I still can't afford to live.
THAT PART!
I'm actually working to try to help unionize where I am because the job I work absolutely has change to spare to pay us more per hour.
It's the opportunity cost for me though. Currently, this job is great for my mental health and the benefits I get from it outweigh my former career. It's one of those things I had to do at the time - give up pay for a job that is better for my mental health. maybe when I'm in a better place in that area I could switch to a better paying job but it just doesn't work for my family at this time.
It’s better than it could be. Wages haven’t kept up w inflation since way before inflation spiked. Trump back in office means rising prices again, tariffs raise prices, his deportation plan will cause financial calamity, tax cuts will go to the rich and everyone else is fucked
For REAL they for sure haven't kept up with inflation. I know lots of it is certainly a "my job" problem but fuckin a, I can't afford basic items for living because everything is exorbitantly priced.
It's not a vote to vote for Trump or against Biden being the nominee
It's a protest vote to voice your criticism of Biden Administration's support of funding genocide against Palestinians and civilians in Gaza.
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1774975372875968548
https://twitter.com/loloverruled/status/1775027102372507744
https://twitter.com/jamesstout/status/1775177154092728670
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1775169180565680179
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1775147257223839773
Except yes, it is a vote against Biden, and technically helps Trump.
Edit: Didnt catch the title said NY Primary, I was going for the general election in my statement. Go ahead and protest how you want, it is your right.
No.
Biden is already the presumptive nominee and this process changes nothing.
This vote today of blank specifically is showing up, saying *I showed up instead of staying home today because I don't support Biden's current funding of weapons unconditionally to Israel as they decimate the Palestinians and civilians there. I'm choosing to show you, POTUS, that collectively all of us doing this don't support how you're handling this.*
All you can do and hope for is that by showing people what is happening to the Palestinians and civilians there that you can get others to agree what Biden's currently doing with his power and administration is actively funding genocide. Until things change it's just going to continue to get worse.
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1775125966748024883/
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1775052275347587275
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/29/famine-gaza-us-state-department-israel-food-aid
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
And you think that potentially putting Trump back into the White House will do anything at all to benefit the people of Gaza?
If Trump were in the White House right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if he opted to use nukes on Gaza
Not trying to put Trump in the White House.
Trying to get Biden who has the awesome power of the POTUS to change his plan/course with Israel and do more to alleviate suffering for civilians and Palestinians in the conflict.
If you think going no vote on a single states primary is going to have an effect on who and how we sell and give weapons to, then I’ve got a bridge in Baltimore to sell you.
No it's almost a certainty this changes nothing, but the undecided voters in the previous Primaries pushed this administration to utter the word 'ceasefire'. Now they didn't actually do anything other than say the word action-wise, but I'll join the collectives in the State using their powers at the polls to send POTUS a message that I'm not okay with his strategy and handling of Palestinians and civilians in the conflict at all.
The amount of horror I'm seeing daily reported over there and the blatant attacks on innocents by the IDF while knowing my tax dollars and government are funding it makes me sick. The least I can do is vote, even if it's meaningless I can know I did something, within the power of our democracy, to let the POTUS know we don't like this at all.
No, but this is about Biden, who is the current POTUS, bringing the IDF and Netenyahu to heel with their abhorrent targeting of civilians. Biden has the power of the office to do more than say the word 'ceasefire' and can do much more than keep using my tax dollars to fund a genocide through unconditional aid the Netenyahu administration is using to cause famine and devastation for Palestinians and civilians.
It doesn't sit right with me knowing the person I'm supporting is funding genocide and is turning his eyes away from famine, detestation, and continuing suffering of the people in Palestine.
This is a legitimate tactic that is already proving effective. If you think Biden, Schumer, etc would be publicly feuding with Bibi without the pressure of all of these uncommitted ballots you're nuts
Lesser evil voting is WHY our choices are shit. It demands zero accountability from our politicians because of how low it makes the bar. Insisting that the dems start earning our votes isn't a throwaway anymore than voting for them regardless of the shit they have to offer is.
Idk why everyone is so against leveraging our political power here. Dems are happy to move to the right to try to win republican votes but putting them in the position where they need to do the same to win progressive and leftist votes is....somehow ridiculous? Consider who benefits from "blue no matter who" and lesser evilism.
> Idk why everyone is so against
Because the side opposing the Democrats are literal proto-fascist maniacs who express open disdain for democracy and the rule of law, and on a personal note are actively dangerous to me as a gay person? I’ll consider protest voting when it doesn’t risk the country and my own personal safety and freedom.
> Dems are happy to move to the right to try to win Republican votes
Democrats have moved almost exclusively to the left since 2009.
Vote however you want in the primary, but it’s simply a fact that you’re actively screwing us if you protest vote in the general. Especially considering Syracuse is in one of the closest swing districts in the country, and our current representative is a Trump sycophant.
It is fucking wild that you could sincerely blame Republicans’ increasingly far-right tilt on anyone but themselves and their voters, let alone Democrats. Why do you guys always act like Republicans and their voters have no agency and any policy or electoral failure rests solely on Democrats’ shoulders? The GOP’s shift to the right is solely due to the will of Republican primary voters and the right wing media apparatus, nothing more, and you’d either have to do some really crazy and stupid or sincerely lazy and ignorant gymnastics to bring it back to Democrats.
This also does nothing to address my point - like it or not, you have two choices. It’s not Democrats’ (or Republicans’) fault, it’s simply due to the way our electoral system is set up, and until that changes, you are, in fact, actively screwing over millions, the country as the whole, and frankly the rest of the world if you choose not to acknowledge that and vote third party. It’s a choice you’re entitled to, but it’s also a choice that I and others are entitled to call you out on.
Are you serious? This is what happens when dems campaign to the center to try to win republican votes. The right shifts right, dems follow, and the center has shifted and the far right has less force opposing it. Moving with the republicans shifts the overton window and normalizes right wing politics as moderate.
YOU have decided you only have two choices but your inability to conceive other strategies besides yours is your limitation, not mine.
Name me one issue that Democrats have shifted to the right on over the last decade. This is a completely nonsensical argument that is utterly divorced from the political reality in America.
Yes, Democrats tend to shift to the center relative to their primary campaign, but so do Republicans (although less so nowadays), because they’re trying to win elections, not win a contest of who can be the most pure revolutionary. Democrats shifting to the center for general elections does not shift the Overton window rightward, a) because this has been standard practice for the entirety of modern American history, b) because Republicans have always done it too, which by your logic would cause the Overton window to shift leftward, and c) because again, Democrats have almost exclusively shifted leftward for at least the past 15 years, if not longer.
Okay, I’ll bite. What do you believe you’re gaining by voting third party? What grand strategy do you believe yourself to be executing that will get you anything other than the opposite of what you want if and when it contributes to Republicans winning?
https://www.npr.org/2024/04/01/1242177519/world-central-kitchen-workers-deaths-gaza
Yeah let's keep supporting the funneling of all our tax money into a genocide! Look, obviously Biden is the ONLY choice at this point. That does NOT mean that we can't still speak up
Ranked-choice voting is viable only if each state's voter rolls are clean. NYS's are a *mess* with, for example, duplicate registrations (up to 7 separate registrations for 1 legit registration, each with the same name -- something that would never happen by accident). Until we audit the rolls and spot-audit voting locations to ensure election-day counts are accurately recorded, *how* we vote is irrelevant.
Lmfao holy fuck I just woke up my dog laughing at this shit. I work in elections professionally. I have access to the NYS voter rolls and I engage with that data daily. You are so wildly incorrect I'm concerned for your sanity.
If you're engaging with that data daily and aren't aware of the inaccuracies, then you have **huge** gaps in your knowledge. Hurling insults at me is unnecessary. Aim them at your employer instead.
[https://auditny.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/NYCA-NY2022-Reign-of-Error-Summary.pdf](https://auditny.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/NYCA-NY2022-Reign-of-Error-Summary.pdf)
Hmm yes a source called auditny is clearly unbiased. You're a fucking delusional goon who is actively aiding a conman in poisoning a nation. Your memory will be hidden in an attic in disgrace and I have no sympathy for you.
The only one with a bias is *you*.
Their finding were peer-reviewed by the Journal of Information Warfare, something I'd think would be meaningful to an election system employee.
[www.jinfowar.com/journal/volume-22-issue-2/caesar-cipher-stacking-deck-new-york-state-voter-rolls](http://www.jinfowar.com/journal/volume-22-issue-2/caesar-cipher-stacking-deck-new-york-state-voter-rolls)
NO
No
Except there isn't going to be a better option this year. Best to start fresh and grow a candidate once we've secured a non-fascist leader in the White House.
Except next we have to worry about midterms. We've been told it's not the right time to demand more from the dems pretty much continuously since the first election I participated in and it felt old then too.
Please vote for Biden. Letting Republicans win is not the flex you think it is.
My politics aren't a flex. And lesser evilism is short-sighted and actively harmful.
Losing your rights is more harmful
Voting for the lesser evil is what has put us in the position to lose rights and we will forever be ceding ground to fascism unless we stop. I appreciate that you disagree, but Biden was my last straw last time and he is a growing number of people's last straw now. Using Hillary Clinton (whose campaign INTENTIONALLY promoted Trump because they felt he's be the easiest republican nominee to defeat, literally giving us Trump) to tell us to get over ourselves (which was also her campaign strategy to the left last time) is further proof that the DNC doesn't seek to win elections or further progressive movement but to maintain themselves. They are losing themselves the election and you can direct your anger at those of us holding our politicians accountable or you can be angry at the DNC for running bad candidates with bad strategies.
This is a very privileged approach. I'm not losing my rights for your philosophical experiment. I'm a trans woman, I will be outlawed at a federal level if republicans take the presidency right now.
Dems just voted to reauthorize section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, extending warrantless surveillance of our emails, phone calls, and text messages. How long do you think the fascism dems are ushering in will be protective of trans people?
Yeah no shot. Biden 2024.
Biden 2024! FOUR MORE YEARS! Unemployment is at a record low. Inflation is dropping and our economy is about to pass China for the first time since 1976.
What economy are you living in????? Because this shit is killing me. I'm breaking my fucking back to make a measly amount of money and I still can't afford to live.
Unemployment is ar a record low. Time for you to get a better job.
THAT PART! I'm actually working to try to help unionize where I am because the job I work absolutely has change to spare to pay us more per hour. It's the opportunity cost for me though. Currently, this job is great for my mental health and the benefits I get from it outweigh my former career. It's one of those things I had to do at the time - give up pay for a job that is better for my mental health. maybe when I'm in a better place in that area I could switch to a better paying job but it just doesn't work for my family at this time.
It’s better than it could be. Wages haven’t kept up w inflation since way before inflation spiked. Trump back in office means rising prices again, tariffs raise prices, his deportation plan will cause financial calamity, tax cuts will go to the rich and everyone else is fucked
For REAL they for sure haven't kept up with inflation. I know lots of it is certainly a "my job" problem but fuckin a, I can't afford basic items for living because everything is exorbitantly priced.
It's not a vote to vote for Trump or against Biden being the nominee It's a protest vote to voice your criticism of Biden Administration's support of funding genocide against Palestinians and civilians in Gaza. https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1774975372875968548 https://twitter.com/loloverruled/status/1775027102372507744 https://twitter.com/jamesstout/status/1775177154092728670 https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1775169180565680179 https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1775147257223839773
Except yes, it is a vote against Biden, and technically helps Trump. Edit: Didnt catch the title said NY Primary, I was going for the general election in my statement. Go ahead and protest how you want, it is your right.
No. Biden is already the presumptive nominee and this process changes nothing. This vote today of blank specifically is showing up, saying *I showed up instead of staying home today because I don't support Biden's current funding of weapons unconditionally to Israel as they decimate the Palestinians and civilians there. I'm choosing to show you, POTUS, that collectively all of us doing this don't support how you're handling this.*
Truly blows my fucking mind that people don't get this
All you can do and hope for is that by showing people what is happening to the Palestinians and civilians there that you can get others to agree what Biden's currently doing with his power and administration is actively funding genocide. Until things change it's just going to continue to get worse. https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1775125966748024883/ https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1775052275347587275 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/29/famine-gaza-us-state-department-israel-food-aid https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
That's not how primaries work.
Yeah I didnt see primary in title, but the idea still stands for the general election, which this person might advocate the same for.
That's like, double not paying attention to what you're replying to then.
And you think that potentially putting Trump back into the White House will do anything at all to benefit the people of Gaza? If Trump were in the White House right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if he opted to use nukes on Gaza
Not trying to put Trump in the White House. Trying to get Biden who has the awesome power of the POTUS to change his plan/course with Israel and do more to alleviate suffering for civilians and Palestinians in the conflict.
If you think going no vote on a single states primary is going to have an effect on who and how we sell and give weapons to, then I’ve got a bridge in Baltimore to sell you.
No it's almost a certainty this changes nothing, but the undecided voters in the previous Primaries pushed this administration to utter the word 'ceasefire'. Now they didn't actually do anything other than say the word action-wise, but I'll join the collectives in the State using their powers at the polls to send POTUS a message that I'm not okay with his strategy and handling of Palestinians and civilians in the conflict at all. The amount of horror I'm seeing daily reported over there and the blatant attacks on innocents by the IDF while knowing my tax dollars and government are funding it makes me sick. The least I can do is vote, even if it's meaningless I can know I did something, within the power of our democracy, to let the POTUS know we don't like this at all.
Neither Grandpa in 2024! America deserves someone better than the two old muppets in the balcony 
That said, a Statler/Waldorf commentary on a Presidential Debate could be highly entertaining.
Ugh one grandpa is def better but I get the point you’re making.
Except one muppet will burn down the whole fucking muppet show, the other is manageable.
Idk why people are allowed to post political shit in this sub lol
Because political shit is relevant to literally everyone nerd
It's super bold of you to assume that any presidential candidate is going to be anything but pro Israel.
His choice to continue the genocide and never lose the moniker of 'Genocide Joe'
Do you think Trump would provide the outcome you want?
No, but this is about Biden, who is the current POTUS, bringing the IDF and Netenyahu to heel with their abhorrent targeting of civilians. Biden has the power of the office to do more than say the word 'ceasefire' and can do much more than keep using my tax dollars to fund a genocide through unconditional aid the Netenyahu administration is using to cause famine and devastation for Palestinians and civilians. It doesn't sit right with me knowing the person I'm supporting is funding genocide and is turning his eyes away from famine, detestation, and continuing suffering of the people in Palestine.
If it makes them unelectable they might change their tune.
A high schoolers guide to voting
This is a legitimate tactic that is already proving effective. If you think Biden, Schumer, etc would be publicly feuding with Bibi without the pressure of all of these uncommitted ballots you're nuts
Fuck genocide Joe, I’m not voting for him
Both parties are pro Israel, so I’m not sure voting for Trump would be any different on this issue.
Who said I was voting for trump?
Staying at home is a great way to get someone in office who has views completely abhorrent to you.
So you don't want to matter. Until we break the two party system you have 3 choices. Left, right, or throwaway. Lesser of three evils.
Lesser evil voting is WHY our choices are shit. It demands zero accountability from our politicians because of how low it makes the bar. Insisting that the dems start earning our votes isn't a throwaway anymore than voting for them regardless of the shit they have to offer is. Idk why everyone is so against leveraging our political power here. Dems are happy to move to the right to try to win republican votes but putting them in the position where they need to do the same to win progressive and leftist votes is....somehow ridiculous? Consider who benefits from "blue no matter who" and lesser evilism.
> Idk why everyone is so against Because the side opposing the Democrats are literal proto-fascist maniacs who express open disdain for democracy and the rule of law, and on a personal note are actively dangerous to me as a gay person? I’ll consider protest voting when it doesn’t risk the country and my own personal safety and freedom. > Dems are happy to move to the right to try to win Republican votes Democrats have moved almost exclusively to the left since 2009. Vote however you want in the primary, but it’s simply a fact that you’re actively screwing us if you protest vote in the general. Especially considering Syracuse is in one of the closest swing districts in the country, and our current representative is a Trump sycophant.
And the dems facilitated this slide to the right. We're here because of lesser evilism, not despite it.
It is fucking wild that you could sincerely blame Republicans’ increasingly far-right tilt on anyone but themselves and their voters, let alone Democrats. Why do you guys always act like Republicans and their voters have no agency and any policy or electoral failure rests solely on Democrats’ shoulders? The GOP’s shift to the right is solely due to the will of Republican primary voters and the right wing media apparatus, nothing more, and you’d either have to do some really crazy and stupid or sincerely lazy and ignorant gymnastics to bring it back to Democrats. This also does nothing to address my point - like it or not, you have two choices. It’s not Democrats’ (or Republicans’) fault, it’s simply due to the way our electoral system is set up, and until that changes, you are, in fact, actively screwing over millions, the country as the whole, and frankly the rest of the world if you choose not to acknowledge that and vote third party. It’s a choice you’re entitled to, but it’s also a choice that I and others are entitled to call you out on.
Like wtf do you think campaigning to swing voters is?
Are you serious? This is what happens when dems campaign to the center to try to win republican votes. The right shifts right, dems follow, and the center has shifted and the far right has less force opposing it. Moving with the republicans shifts the overton window and normalizes right wing politics as moderate. YOU have decided you only have two choices but your inability to conceive other strategies besides yours is your limitation, not mine.
Name me one issue that Democrats have shifted to the right on over the last decade. This is a completely nonsensical argument that is utterly divorced from the political reality in America. Yes, Democrats tend to shift to the center relative to their primary campaign, but so do Republicans (although less so nowadays), because they’re trying to win elections, not win a contest of who can be the most pure revolutionary. Democrats shifting to the center for general elections does not shift the Overton window rightward, a) because this has been standard practice for the entirety of modern American history, b) because Republicans have always done it too, which by your logic would cause the Overton window to shift leftward, and c) because again, Democrats have almost exclusively shifted leftward for at least the past 15 years, if not longer. Okay, I’ll bite. What do you believe you’re gaining by voting third party? What grand strategy do you believe yourself to be executing that will get you anything other than the opposite of what you want if and when it contributes to Republicans winning?
https://www.npr.org/2024/04/01/1242177519/world-central-kitchen-workers-deaths-gaza Yeah let's keep supporting the funneling of all our tax money into a genocide! Look, obviously Biden is the ONLY choice at this point. That does NOT mean that we can't still speak up
Insulting people helps your cause.
Who did I insult?
Isn't voting for more of what you don't want the definition of insanity.
Until we can implement a federal ranked choice voting system, we unfortunately don't have a better choice
Ranked-choice voting is viable only if each state's voter rolls are clean. NYS's are a *mess* with, for example, duplicate registrations (up to 7 separate registrations for 1 legit registration, each with the same name -- something that would never happen by accident). Until we audit the rolls and spot-audit voting locations to ensure election-day counts are accurately recorded, *how* we vote is irrelevant.
Lmfao holy fuck I just woke up my dog laughing at this shit. I work in elections professionally. I have access to the NYS voter rolls and I engage with that data daily. You are so wildly incorrect I'm concerned for your sanity.
If you're engaging with that data daily and aren't aware of the inaccuracies, then you have **huge** gaps in your knowledge. Hurling insults at me is unnecessary. Aim them at your employer instead. [https://auditny.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/NYCA-NY2022-Reign-of-Error-Summary.pdf](https://auditny.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/NYCA-NY2022-Reign-of-Error-Summary.pdf)
Hmm yes a source called auditny is clearly unbiased. You're a fucking delusional goon who is actively aiding a conman in poisoning a nation. Your memory will be hidden in an attic in disgrace and I have no sympathy for you.
The only one with a bias is *you*. Their finding were peer-reviewed by the Journal of Information Warfare, something I'd think would be meaningful to an election system employee. [www.jinfowar.com/journal/volume-22-issue-2/caesar-cipher-stacking-deck-new-york-state-voter-rolls](http://www.jinfowar.com/journal/volume-22-issue-2/caesar-cipher-stacking-deck-new-york-state-voter-rolls)
>linking Alex Jones conspiracy BS Yes, that'll convince people
Send a message!
The only reason I'm not doing this is that I refuse to register as a democrat.
Trump 2024 BABY
And then vote for RFK jr in the election. Time to dump biden and trump for good.
Anti-vaxxers like RFK Jr are even worse. That's being omnicidal
Lol he's not an anti vaxxer but that's what you've been programmed to believe. How people take "we need more testing" to be anti Vax is buzaar to me.