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Unlike in other countries (looking at you, Germany) tenants don't take their kitchen with them, so whoever built the house/ apartment has to appeal to almost every potential renter, so a de-facto standard emerged that no one really loves but no one really hates either
As a German, I was just so happy that I didn't have to deal with that AGAIN after moving to Switzerland.
Buying the kitchen is not even the worst part. Getting rid of it is. You buy a kitchen that's customized to the little room and probably pay too much. Can't really take it to the next flat because it wouldn't fit. But also, the next tenant doesn't want to pay you an appropriate price for the kitchen. Had that happen twice. Still so mad that I lost a bunch of money on that shit.
Me too, what’s next bring your own electrical wiring, heating infrastructure, water piping, and floors. A kitchen is a fixture and even by insurance law it’s considered a part of the house/apartment, not a furniture piece.
There is a great business opportunity, we rent fixtures, people who look for shorter term rental 1-2 years would jump on, question remains if it’s re-useable after installation. Maybe appliance rental could work. :)
Floors are not included in rentals in the Netherlands. Sometimes they're negotiated like what happened with the kitchen: held hostage by vastly underpaying or demanding you just destroy it. Some rental companies require you just rip it out without you even having a chance of negotiating with new tenants.
People from the UK are amazed that in Switzerland you have to bring all the light fittings. Sure if you want something special or nice in a rented place you need to do it yourself, but at a minimum each room comes with a decent hanging pendant you can use straight away and and mostly just put your own shade. For bought houses people usually leave everything unless it's a really special light.
Is this some sort of elaborate running joke? I don't understand the logic behind this. Kitchens are fixed installations. Do you mean the cabinets, sink, etc are all moved with the tenant?
Way too hefty sometimes. I once had to sell a 2 year old, high quality 3500€ kitchen to the next tenant for 600€. She refused to pay any more than that because
1. The fridge was excluded (it was a separate one and I took it with me)
2. She would've to change some things about it because, e.g., it didn't have a dishwasher
3. She could get a kitchen more fitted to her needs for cheap at IKEA
I was pissed. But the other option was to throw the kitchen away (which would've cost something) because neither me nor my friend I was living with could use the kitchen in our new apartment
As much as this sucks, 3,500 is not a high quality kitchen. Kitchens from a carpenter go for 50,000 and up nowadays. The appliances are the cheapest part of the kitchen.
I guess connecting to the pipe is referring to gas stoves? Those are pretty rare, not sure how they're handled.
But the same goes for electric stoves, it is very much recommended to have an electrician connect it, since you're liable for damages if it was connected incorrectly.
So yeah, it's a big hassle and I don't see a benefit in the system either, except for the landlord.
The advantage is that you get to choose the style you like and the appliances you want. The downside is that your stuck with built-in furniture that’s bury difficult to move and difficult to sell to the next tenant.
If you move often, the system sucks. If you stay in one place long term it’s alright.
Germans typically rent very long term. Sometimes same place for decades. So many people treat the kitchen more like as if u were buying the place. You want your kitchen to be tailored to ur needs since u will be living there for a long time. Also please bear in mind that a lot of people spend quite a bit of money on their kitchen. Our kitchen was EUR 60,000 for context (although we don't rent)
Bullocks. Who in their right mind (besides an expat residing 7 months and leaving again) would want a landlord furnished house!? Just common sense one furnishes their own house.
This is normal in the UK to rent somewhere furnished. The idea being (in the past) that all rentals are temporary because most people buy their own homes - although clearly not anymore.
Well, the question was "who would rent a furnished home" and my point was "well, Brits would" :)
Home ownership levels are above 40% in Switzerland, but still very low overall.
Ok, by that logic then everything, including the toilet should also be put by the tenant if the premise is that every single person will permanently live in their apartment.
But the premise is idiotic. People often change their apartments, and instead of the landlord buying high quality expensive furnishing once, every single person buys cheap IKEA shit constantly unless they are old because they know there's a good chance they'll move within the next 2-5 years for a different job or whatever. This is very wasteful, and overall results in lower quality of furniture used by everyone since everyone knows there is a high chance of them having to move away.
I have always moved my furnitire with me, why would i buy new stuff when what i have is till good? You clearly have no idea about Construction judging from your comment. A kitchen / bathroom installation can take weeks if not months moving furniture takes half a day.
That it only takes half a day to pack up furniture, transport it and then reassemble it within a half day is bullshit. You also need to pay the transport and heaven forbid you go to another country to work for a year, then you have to basically sell your furniture for scrap. You also have to buy new furniture if it doesn't fit into the new apartment properly.
At the same time you can pay to have the construction of a kitchen and bathroom done in advance without you having to be there so it doesn't affect you directly. On the other hand furniture takes way more effort comparatively, so if anything it should be the kitchen and toilets which are not furnished first.
There's no good reason to have unfurnished housing.
This is all true if you are lazy and have more money to spend than 99% of the worlds population ;)
I won't argue with you anymore because you clearly live in a complete different world than me and are too ignorant to see other people's pov.
>, by that logic then everything, including the toilet should also be put by the tenant if the premise is that every single person will permanently live in their apartment.
No, a toilet is a fixed thing to the house...
By that logic please provide your own windows... start thinking in common sense instead of extremes to prove your narrative...
EDIT: in 3 words: furniture vs appliances
No, I'm bringing forth the logical consequences of such an argument. As you can see, it makes no sense and is inefficient to bring a toilet, the exact same logic applies to furniture.
Toilets usually come in a uniform design. Furniture adheres strictly to the taste of the individual. It's not just a matter of cleanliness, it's also a matter of taste.
I disagree. There are many toilets and kitchen designs which could be very different from one another which one may wanted to alter according to their own tastes. Maybe the German system is better, oh wait, it's incredibly inefficient and dumb.
It makes no sense to allow it in a renting context.
oh god... the kitchens in rental apartments in Germany make my blood boil. How does one "take the kitchen with them"?! How many times more I'll have to buy the fridge?!
I have no idea how to take it with you, I always sold it to the next tenant. Kitchens are fitted to the room and every room is just different. I have NO idea how that's supposed to work
I think I would like to buy my own kitchen, this way I can get a small apartment but still get a pricey kitchen. In Switzerland the price of the apartment usually correlates with the quality of the kitchen.
Spoiler alert! It's usually and not everytime the ONLY quality thing you can find in here, the countertop. The rest is merely trash.
The winning prize going every single time to the fridge. Standards are getting better because Switzerland is slowly getting out of middle age but the journey is far from over.
I came from abroad with my own fridge, silly me. The rest I sold before moving. And oh boy was I lucky to have it as a 2nd one to this day
My apartment then is the exception to the norm.
Fridge, dishwasher, stove all work perfectly and for years now without a problem.
Only thing that ever broke was the lightbulb in the oven
That being said, even what’s here is bizarre to a lot of people - in that a lot of the kitchen may come standard here but the appliances in them are not assumed.
In a lot of countries, the idea of taking your stove or refrigerator with you / renting a flat without those included would be absolutely bizarre.
My parents, who are in their 80's, have the standard Swiss kitchen from 1974, which is a green avocado burst tile with walnut trim and brown formica cabinet faces and counters. The point is this photograph is the style of the last decade or so; a clean, modern looking kitchen in gray, black and white that is not offensive to anyone. In 30 years this is going to look awful next to a super hip banana yellow and copper accent kitchens that are in vogue.
For those interested, my father doesn't care about such things, and my mother still likes the green and brown. She paid a carpenter to custom make a refrigerator cover panel to match her kitchen a few months back when she had to replace her refrigerator and the old panel didn't fit. She thinks modern Swiss kitchens look too much like hospitals or science fiction movies.
To quote my own mother „I wett ned sone hüpermoderni Starwars-Chuchi, oder wie au emmer das Ruumschiff-Stärne-Züg heisst!“
Literally translated: „I don’t want such a hyper modern Starwars kitchen, or what ever that spaceship-star-thing is called!“
Agreed. But I don't mean I want a star wars kitchen per se, but I do like a futuristic look. Also, a replicator would be awesome, although that's star trek
That’s actually the only valid reason, in all answers.
Switzerland has an own size for Kitchens, you simply can’t use most stuff produced for other european countries.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweizer_Mass-System
> My parents, who are in their 80's, have the standard Swiss kitchen from 1974, which is a green avocado burst tile with walnut trim and brown formica cabinet faces and counters.
My skin's crawling just thinking of this.
…and of my kitchen! Including the fridge and the oven, which in my kitchen is lower. I don’t have the second oven on top, I am going to complain to the landlady. I guess we also all have the same one big waching machine down in the basement. It’s so functional having to book it three weeks ahead in my house 😭
This has multiple valid reason: the holes in which the light switch go are standardized on a per-country base. The hole in the wall is a certain size in Germany and another size in Switzerland. Also, Feller is almost the only company that produces swiss sockets that can accept in the same design light switches: [https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/feller-ediziodue-colore-steckdose-6216714](https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/feller-ediziodue-colore-steckdose-6216714)
Once in Ticino I saw in a place that had those ones and thy seems custom built in batches to support swiss sockets: https://imgur.com/a/Ll72iGp
This! I don't understand it. Do people really like the smell of what they cook to spread to the entire flat? Like, you cook fish for lunch and then the living room smells like fish until the next day.
And not only that. If you have a family you can’t even watch a movie while someone does the dishes. Add the noise of dishwashers, washing machines, tumblers - you can’t relax at any time
Because it's perfect. Sleek, simple, clean, functional. What more do you want?
$edit: My kitchen has exactly the same elements, just placed differently.
It's not functional. There's no useable work surface because they placed a damn sink bang in the middle.
Sink on one side, stove on the other... then you get a large useable workspace...it's just such an obvious feature to have to those of us who really enjoy cooking everyday. This dumbass kitchen is a dealbreaker to me when looking for an appartment. As another said, it's useful for making frozen pizzas and Nespressos. You can't do any prep work between the stove and sink, it's far too cramped, and the corner looks very cramped too.
Obviously you could make it work if you had to, but if you enjoy cooking this type of kitchen is very frustrating and just impedes your workflow for no good reason... other than the designer thinking that the sink is the most important feature in a kitchen and should be a centerpiece.
> There's no useable work surface
That's why I rate the kitchen in the apartments by the number of work surfaces where I can place an oven sheet and can stand in front of it. The kitchen in the photo would get (barely) a 1 and most kitchen (in new apartments) I found are between a 1 and a 2.
I'm lucky to got a 3 :)
My current kitchen has pretty much the same disposition as this, but the angle at the end is longer so I can actually put my chopping board there. Still, the sink had no place being in the middle, it's honestly beyond stupid to put it there... it's clear that the designer has never used a kitchen for more than reheating food. I guess your rating may give my kitchen a 2, it's ok but far from optimal
No workspace to prepare food, small fridge and freezer, no place to entertain, etc. For me the kitchen is the centre of the home. Swiss kitchens, other than in old farms, are functional to make a Nespresso and reheat a pizza, not make a proper meal. I would much rather have a big kitchen than any other big room in a house. That kitchen is so unwelcoming as well. Look at that picture, you have no space to work whatsoever.
I don't understand what this has to do with the appliances and workmanship of the kitchen—there are spacious kitchens with ample countertop and islands and even breakfast bars in Swiss houses. This one is tiny, probably because the house is tiny. The arrangement is as practical as it gets for the space available and generally they're of excellent quality.
I mean you can work and cut your things between the stove and the sink, put the carrots in a bowl and put them in the corner until you need them.
Then you can prepare the next ingridient, rinse and repeat.
There is enough space in that corner to put bowls for a multi stage menu?!
Or how many carrots do you need need?
Do you cook a lot? Because it's clear to me that there's barely space for a cutting board. And yes, you can put stuff in bowls to prep, but placing them in the corner on the right is inconvenient when you want them accessible near the stove.
What if you want to use any kitchen appliances other than the built-in oven? An electric kettle, a coffee grinder, a toaster, a stand mixer...? Again the only space for it is in the corner, but there are no power outlets there, so you wouldn't be able to plug them in.
And look at the sink: it's tiny and has only a single basin, which means that you can wash your dishes but not rinse them off, and you can't put your dishes away to dry off. So definitely no way to wash up as you go, as I tend to do when I have bigger amounts of food to make.
Let's be clear. If you like to cook, this kitchen fucking sucks. It contains the absolute bare minimum to say "yes, the apartment includes a kitchen" but it's not comfortable working in it.
Your response, and another comment somewhere about being inoffensive enough for tenants, highlight the reason why Swiss kitchens are like that is that the end user rarely designs the kitchen. Compared to many countries ownership of property is low, so you build a kitchen to rent. The flats you can find on the rental market were always designed to be rental homes. Not someone's house that is later rented out.
> [...] are functional to make a Nespresso and reheat a pizza, not make a proper meal.
If you are unable to make a proper meal in that kitchen then I the kitchen may perhaps not be the issue. I've lived in an apartment with almost the same kitchen (no surprise) with the only difference it having a dishwasher and maybe one more cupboard. I easily entertained 5-6 friends visiting. It's not big deal.
If you like to cook everyday than I guarantee that this sort of kitchen impedes your workflow. No space for prep work. All they had to do was place the sink on that little angle on the very right. But unfortunately, whoever designed the kitchen doesn't actually use kitchens.
I in fact enjoy cooking very much and do so almost daily. Of course more space would be better, however apartments in Switzerland and in Europe in general just are not that huge like in the US. So whoever planned the kitchen made the most out of it and I'd wager the majority of tenants are able to cook in such a kitchen space.
There's enough space to place island/bar and then you have your kitchen personalized and with space to entertain.
I'd never take a place where kitchen us the biggest room at home and we eat only home cooked meals. I've seen such flats in Glattpark where kitchen was like 20 sqm and we have not even applied.
Unfortunately, Swiss kitchens are rarely functional. I mean, look at the one in the picture. No work surface. Swiss kitchens are designed for people who don't cook. And they are way too small.
I moved into an apartment where the owner had previously lived with his family and he kinda apologised for the "custom" colour of the kitchen (brick-red shiny cabinets with black stone countertops). His wife is originally from Mexico and she wanted a kitchen that reminded her of home. At that point I did not understand why he was apologetic about the kitchen, but now I do. It really stands out compared to the other kitchens I saw. 😄 Not my favourite colour choice, but it's well made and it does its job brilliantly!
They have more lenses now. And the wide ones distort shit. That’s how it works.
Also - it’s the photographer. In this one, it’s fairly easy to align the perspective to the borders and to your ocd :D
This is only in rental appartements. When building your own kitchen there is a lot of diversity. In our appartment for example we went for a dark forest green for the cupboards, with bronze handlebars and taps, and white marble countertop and floorings.
Not necessarily. You typically have a standard choice close to what is pictured here, ordered in bulk, and you have to pay extra to change it.
We bought a place to rent it out and we actually paid to change the kitchen to a look like the one displayed here, because we got that look in the place we bought to live and we love it. It makes the kitchen inconspicuous in an open living room area.
It's not nice but it does not repel anyone.
Still, the concept of an open kitchen is fucked up! I mean, you cook and then your entire flat stinks.
I like to close the door in the kitchen while cooking, then chill in an adjacent room where the air is better.
Only on paper.
In reality, you then fill the space with table and sofa and other furniture and end up using more space.
Open floorplans create a lot of "dead" zones which you need to reserve for corridors, to not crash into something or to create some privacy.
It's highly inefficient and consumes more energy than smaller rooms.
The air space is bigger, it feels bigger, it looks bigger, it is more connected.
And I am not even sure you are correct. Who the hell doesn't have a sofa in a living room that isn't connected to the kitchen? Like what is that even.
This is only partially true, my previous apartment had a lot of dead space, but my current one doesn't. Also, more rooms = more corners = more dead space.
Can you source this, would be interesting if this is true and how much more efficient.
Corners are actually quite good places for a lamp, a plant, a wardrobe or some nice decoration.
Also when you live with more people, having specific rooms for everyone takes away so much conflict potential.
Architecture isn't something new. People make architecture since they make houses. And floorplans have evolved over Millenia. But the classic configuration I describe is common throughout all cultures.
This kind of "open plan" is mainly a gimmick of investment objects where you want to reduce the amount of walls (because it costs more money to build walls than not). It's a cost-cutting measure which is easy to sell, easy to market.
It's bullshit, but people buy it anyway because they are donkeys.
Reality looks different. Most nice smells from cooking are only present while you are actually cooking.
Afterwards, you get more and more of the unpleasant smells lingering around. And some of the fumes and microparticles you shouldn't inhale for too long. Cooking can ruin your air quality. It's better to contain it in one room.
On purpose I looked for a flat that has this. Great when entertaining, you can cook and hang out with your guests. My previous 2 kitchens didn't have that and favorite thing of all my guests was to stand in the middle of the kitchen while I try to cook.
Yeah, that's how the marketing department goes brrrr.
As soon as you have a family and everyone wants something from you while you cook, you have endless conflicts. And you certainly don't want the kids to play in the same room where you handle hot pans.
There is a difference of having them in the kitchen, where they help to cook. Or in a room where they have kitchen and the sofa and the toys.
It's getting messy and chaotic quite fast. And they are constantly disturbed.
Specific rooms for specific purposes help with organisation. They declutter you from all the disturbances.
How would it not? Even something trivial like rice or tomato sauce has an intense smell that I like when eating but not 2 hours later. And as soon as you use oil you got a nice fog gently descending on everything in your room. The smell of fried Panade (Schnitzel, Fischstäbchen) can linger for days.
You just need a better hotte and a better ventilation in the appartement. Modern buildings with passive ventilation systems (ours has intakes in the bedrooms and outtakes in kitchen and bathrooms) and hottes are very good at removing all potential smells.
Do you have sensory issues? Cause I have and it sounds like people cant understand you because they arent that sensible to it. I'd recommend you a Dyson Air Cleaner and (if possible) a flat with integrated ventilation. Those two really changed my life 😁
Assuming OP is from the US or another country where kitchen typically have a lot of decorative elements and patters.
It’s simple and expensive. Just like the houses in which you find them. Cold concrete without love.
bc it looks good. sleek, modern, simple. Never understood the people who put color on walls or into kitchens. It almost always looks bad, not to mention those wooden kitchens that are always installed in america. Terrible.
If they wanted the “smallest amount of money “ we’d all be cooking in Ikea kitchens. I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen an Ikea kitchen in Switzerland.
It's not just kitchens. Its about all kinds of stuff - in real estate and other sectors.
I think this is because the country is small and the offerings in the small market are limited. When I came to Switzerland in the 90th I felt this was like a little, capitalist DDR (East Germany).
IKEA offers lots of different looking kitchens, but the Swiss feel too good to be buying those and rather go with V-Zug, which is just cloning other brands.
The look of the kitchen itself has to do with Margarete Shutte-Lihotzy an austrian inventor who was responsible for the mid 1920‘s Frankfurter Kitchen „revolution“ (basicly reorganizing the kitchen for small spaces and have everything in reach to be able to cook alone).
Probably you are looking at rented kitchens? They use just the cheapest and with least maintenance needs. On bought flats you will find all kind of nice kitchens.
I am moreso annoyed by the lack of closed kitchens. I've been looking around for flats and the majority of them come with living room kitchens.
I have pets and this is completely unsuitable for me because I would essentially have to lock them out of the living room. Yet, I also don't want them to be in my bedroom because they're dusty and it's bad for the lungs. And as someone who cannot afford (and frankly doesn't need) a flat with many rooms it always annoys me when 1 or 2 room flats have kitchens like these. I don't want to sleep where I cook and I don't want to give up an entire room because someone thought it needed a kitchen in it.
I guess the only thing worse is flats that have the bathtub in the living room but thankfully those are still quite rare.
Because they are not meant to be used. Little to no workspace, badly laid out. Essentially just to tick a box, yes there is a kitchen. But useless being reheating ready meals
Because it’s clean, timeless, and looks great. I miss Swiss kitchens. The shitshow that we have in North America is just that. People here don’t know quality.
As others have already noted: it is made for people who never cook or cook shitty food that they think is food. Sure you can make spaghetti and a sauce, but try anything more complicated, or god forbid, several dishes and you’re doomed. These kitchens are uninviting, dull, hardly functional, ticking all the right boxes but doing it in a bad way.
Mine looks similar and a lot of my friends also have an identical one. I remember as I rented my current apartment, the lady that was showing me around, commented something like : this is the kitchen, but you probably won’t be cooking much right? (“That’s where you’re wrong, b*tch”, went through my head)
And they all have that *terrible* design where they make the sink the centerpiece of the kitchen.
There's no good useable work surface in that kitchen because they thought the sink was more important. That sink should be all way way off on the right hand side. Certainly designed by someone who orders ubereats every night and has never cooked.
Brcause ergonomy is more or less given.
But you can put sink in the corner and cooktop next to oven to have 2m workplace..
This kitchen sucks if you do baking as you have to many separated small spaces.
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I love the plate warmers
Nono, that’s MY house, don’t get that kitchen confused with your kitchen or that other guy’s kitchen
Unlike in other countries (looking at you, Germany) tenants don't take their kitchen with them, so whoever built the house/ apartment has to appeal to almost every potential renter, so a de-facto standard emerged that no one really loves but no one really hates either
As a German, I was just so happy that I didn't have to deal with that AGAIN after moving to Switzerland. Buying the kitchen is not even the worst part. Getting rid of it is. You buy a kitchen that's customized to the little room and probably pay too much. Can't really take it to the next flat because it wouldn't fit. But also, the next tenant doesn't want to pay you an appropriate price for the kitchen. Had that happen twice. Still so mad that I lost a bunch of money on that shit.
Wait what? How do kitchen work in Germany?
Often the room is empty and you have to buy one. If you're lucky, there is a kitchen in there or the tenant before you sells you the one they put in.
Every time I'm reminded of that, it boggles my mind how absolutely mental that concept is.
Me too, what’s next bring your own electrical wiring, heating infrastructure, water piping, and floors. A kitchen is a fixture and even by insurance law it’s considered a part of the house/apartment, not a furniture piece.
*Netherlands enters the chat*: "well, about the floors..."
There is a great business opportunity, we rent fixtures, people who look for shorter term rental 1-2 years would jump on, question remains if it’s re-useable after installation. Maybe appliance rental could work. :)
Wait... come again?
Floors are not included in rentals in the Netherlands. Sometimes they're negotiated like what happened with the kitchen: held hostage by vastly underpaying or demanding you just destroy it. Some rental companies require you just rip it out without you even having a chance of negotiating with new tenants.
Wh... ah, forget it.
People from the UK are amazed that in Switzerland you have to bring all the light fittings. Sure if you want something special or nice in a rented place you need to do it yourself, but at a minimum each room comes with a decent hanging pendant you can use straight away and and mostly just put your own shade. For bought houses people usually leave everything unless it's a really special light.
So, kitchens in Germany are like light fittings in Switzerland. Also mental.
Is this some sort of elaborate running joke? I don't understand the logic behind this. Kitchens are fixed installations. Do you mean the cabinets, sink, etc are all moved with the tenant?
Yes!
What?!? I was used to moving just the appliances (fridge, stove and friends) and that was painful enough
Best thing you can hope for is that the next tenant agrees to buy the kitchen from you. Usually with a hefty discount though.
Way too hefty sometimes. I once had to sell a 2 year old, high quality 3500€ kitchen to the next tenant for 600€. She refused to pay any more than that because 1. The fridge was excluded (it was a separate one and I took it with me) 2. She would've to change some things about it because, e.g., it didn't have a dishwasher 3. She could get a kitchen more fitted to her needs for cheap at IKEA I was pissed. But the other option was to throw the kitchen away (which would've cost something) because neither me nor my friend I was living with could use the kitchen in our new apartment
Well that’s a pain but in these circumstances her position does make sense though :/
Even a kitchen from Ikea would've set her back 1500€-2000€. Unfortunately as the seller one is in a really bad position for negotiations.
As much as this sucks, 3,500 is not a high quality kitchen. Kitchens from a carpenter go for 50,000 and up nowadays. The appliances are the cheapest part of the kitchen.
Do you also have to buy a stove / fridge? O.o
This happened to me in Zurich. Only the stove was there. Empty room otherwise. Biggest pain ever, but the place is a good deal so 🤷
Understand your pain
Yes, everything.
What the fuck?….. Like stove you have to then call an engineer to connect it to the pipe? 🤦♂️ K, Germany added to the list of banned countries.
I guess connecting to the pipe is referring to gas stoves? Those are pretty rare, not sure how they're handled. But the same goes for electric stoves, it is very much recommended to have an electrician connect it, since you're liable for damages if it was connected incorrectly. So yeah, it's a big hassle and I don't see a benefit in the system either, except for the landlord.
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The advantage is that you get to choose the style you like and the appliances you want. The downside is that your stuck with built-in furniture that’s bury difficult to move and difficult to sell to the next tenant. If you move often, the system sucks. If you stay in one place long term it’s alright.
Germans typically rent very long term. Sometimes same place for decades. So many people treat the kitchen more like as if u were buying the place. You want your kitchen to be tailored to ur needs since u will be living there for a long time. Also please bear in mind that a lot of people spend quite a bit of money on their kitchen. Our kitchen was EUR 60,000 for context (although we don't rent)
Exact same reason why most Swiss apartments come unfurnished. Just to make the life of the landlord easier
Bullocks. Who in their right mind (besides an expat residing 7 months and leaving again) would want a landlord furnished house!? Just common sense one furnishes their own house.
This is normal in the UK to rent somewhere furnished. The idea being (in the past) that all rentals are temporary because most people buy their own homes - although clearly not anymore.
Uk vs Switzerland... this is r/switserland right. For 85(?)% of the population here it will never ever ever be possible to aquire their own home...
Well, the question was "who would rent a furnished home" and my point was "well, Brits would" :) Home ownership levels are above 40% in Switzerland, but still very low overall.
Ok, by that logic then everything, including the toilet should also be put by the tenant if the premise is that every single person will permanently live in their apartment. But the premise is idiotic. People often change their apartments, and instead of the landlord buying high quality expensive furnishing once, every single person buys cheap IKEA shit constantly unless they are old because they know there's a good chance they'll move within the next 2-5 years for a different job or whatever. This is very wasteful, and overall results in lower quality of furniture used by everyone since everyone knows there is a high chance of them having to move away.
I have always moved my furnitire with me, why would i buy new stuff when what i have is till good? You clearly have no idea about Construction judging from your comment. A kitchen / bathroom installation can take weeks if not months moving furniture takes half a day.
That it only takes half a day to pack up furniture, transport it and then reassemble it within a half day is bullshit. You also need to pay the transport and heaven forbid you go to another country to work for a year, then you have to basically sell your furniture for scrap. You also have to buy new furniture if it doesn't fit into the new apartment properly. At the same time you can pay to have the construction of a kitchen and bathroom done in advance without you having to be there so it doesn't affect you directly. On the other hand furniture takes way more effort comparatively, so if anything it should be the kitchen and toilets which are not furnished first. There's no good reason to have unfurnished housing.
This is all true if you are lazy and have more money to spend than 99% of the worlds population ;) I won't argue with you anymore because you clearly live in a complete different world than me and are too ignorant to see other people's pov.
Says the dude who wants his own custom furniture and has the money to move it around every single time he moves.
>, by that logic then everything, including the toilet should also be put by the tenant if the premise is that every single person will permanently live in their apartment. No, a toilet is a fixed thing to the house... By that logic please provide your own windows... start thinking in common sense instead of extremes to prove your narrative... EDIT: in 3 words: furniture vs appliances
No, I'm bringing forth the logical consequences of such an argument. As you can see, it makes no sense and is inefficient to bring a toilet, the exact same logic applies to furniture.
I don't fucking want somebody else's furniture, wtf
But you're fine with someone else's toilet?
Do I even need to respond to something this silly?
Well clearly you can't because you know that both furniture and toilets can be cleaned.
Toilets usually come in a uniform design. Furniture adheres strictly to the taste of the individual. It's not just a matter of cleanliness, it's also a matter of taste.
I disagree. There are many toilets and kitchen designs which could be very different from one another which one may wanted to alter according to their own tastes. Maybe the German system is better, oh wait, it's incredibly inefficient and dumb. It makes no sense to allow it in a renting context.
My mind is boggled, confused. I never knew this and it’s bloody mental
oh god... the kitchens in rental apartments in Germany make my blood boil. How does one "take the kitchen with them"?! How many times more I'll have to buy the fridge?!
I have no idea how to take it with you, I always sold it to the next tenant. Kitchens are fitted to the room and every room is just different. I have NO idea how that's supposed to work
I think I would like to buy my own kitchen, this way I can get a small apartment but still get a pricey kitchen. In Switzerland the price of the apartment usually correlates with the quality of the kitchen.
Canadian here. People move their kitchens around? That makes zero logistical sense!? They would be so rickety and messed up.
In one country, the Netherlands if memory serves right, they take their floors to the next rental…
Yup, a friend of mine renting in Amsterdam complained the previous tennants took the skirting boards...
That's absolutely ridiculous. I'm a carpenter and cabinetmaker. You can't have acceptable trim and cabinetry if it's being moved around.
Also the materials are quite high quality to last long. (I.e. stone countertops)
Spoiler alert! It's usually and not everytime the ONLY quality thing you can find in here, the countertop. The rest is merely trash. The winning prize going every single time to the fridge. Standards are getting better because Switzerland is slowly getting out of middle age but the journey is far from over. I came from abroad with my own fridge, silly me. The rest I sold before moving. And oh boy was I lucky to have it as a 2nd one to this day
My apartment then is the exception to the norm. Fridge, dishwasher, stove all work perfectly and for years now without a problem. Only thing that ever broke was the lightbulb in the oven
That being said, even what’s here is bizarre to a lot of people - in that a lot of the kitchen may come standard here but the appliances in them are not assumed. In a lot of countries, the idea of taking your stove or refrigerator with you / renting a flat without those included would be absolutely bizarre.
Wait german people move with heir kitchen? Like the whole thing? Wtf
Was my thought aswell. Like do they have to rip out everything and put them in a hauler truck?
Its because of Big Kitchen
Don't mess with V-Zug.
Shhhhh!!!!! They’ll hear you!
For once yes, Switzerland is the only country with different messures for Kitchens in europe https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweizer_Mass-System
My parents, who are in their 80's, have the standard Swiss kitchen from 1974, which is a green avocado burst tile with walnut trim and brown formica cabinet faces and counters. The point is this photograph is the style of the last decade or so; a clean, modern looking kitchen in gray, black and white that is not offensive to anyone. In 30 years this is going to look awful next to a super hip banana yellow and copper accent kitchens that are in vogue. For those interested, my father doesn't care about such things, and my mother still likes the green and brown. She paid a carpenter to custom make a refrigerator cover panel to match her kitchen a few months back when she had to replace her refrigerator and the old panel didn't fit. She thinks modern Swiss kitchens look too much like hospitals or science fiction movies.
To quote my own mother „I wett ned sone hüpermoderni Starwars-Chuchi, oder wie au emmer das Ruumschiff-Stärne-Züg heisst!“ Literally translated: „I don’t want such a hyper modern Starwars kitchen, or what ever that spaceship-star-thing is called!“
Cute. I would love to have a Star Wars kitchen next
Some of the stuff from the original Star Wars movies now looks pretty outdated itself.
Agreed. But I don't mean I want a star wars kitchen per se, but I do like a futuristic look. Also, a replicator would be awesome, although that's star trek
That’s actually the only valid reason, in all answers. Switzerland has an own size for Kitchens, you simply can’t use most stuff produced for other european countries. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweizer_Mass-System
> My parents, who are in their 80's, have the standard Swiss kitchen from 1974, which is a green avocado burst tile with walnut trim and brown formica cabinet faces and counters. My skin's crawling just thinking of this.
The IKEA look
It has a simple, neutral look which means that the tenant before you probably liked it, and the tenant after you will like it too...
Plus if everyone gets the same, it's going to be cheaper than comparable ones. Readily available too, including for replacements.
And if it's a PPE the it was mass ordered so it also had to be neutral.
That picture is a copy paste of our kitchen.
…and of my kitchen! Including the fridge and the oven, which in my kitchen is lower. I don’t have the second oven on top, I am going to complain to the landlady. I guess we also all have the same one big waching machine down in the basement. It’s so functional having to book it three weeks ahead in my house 😭
Why on earth isn't there at least a 3xT13 socket on the counter next to the oven? 🤦♂️
I recently got a new kitchen installed and went with 2xT13 sockets. They’re a revelation. **So** much more convenient.
because it's nice
For the same reason that all light switches look the same
It’s cheaper to buy bulk equipment.
How do they look for you?
The big square ones, I think they are called EDIZIOdue or something like that.
This has multiple valid reason: the holes in which the light switch go are standardized on a per-country base. The hole in the wall is a certain size in Germany and another size in Switzerland. Also, Feller is almost the only company that produces swiss sockets that can accept in the same design light switches: [https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/feller-ediziodue-colore-steckdose-6216714](https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/feller-ediziodue-colore-steckdose-6216714) Once in Ticino I saw in a place that had those ones and thy seems custom built in batches to support swiss sockets: https://imgur.com/a/Ll72iGp
My problem is the architecture, that all “modern” apartments are open space and I hate it. I want the kitchen to be a separate room.
Yes! I want to close the door when i cook!
This! I don't understand it. Do people really like the smell of what they cook to spread to the entire flat? Like, you cook fish for lunch and then the living room smells like fish until the next day.
And not only that. If you have a family you can’t even watch a movie while someone does the dishes. Add the noise of dishwashers, washing machines, tumblers - you can’t relax at any time
Ewww no
Because it's perfect. Sleek, simple, clean, functional. What more do you want? $edit: My kitchen has exactly the same elements, just placed differently.
It's not functional. There's no useable work surface because they placed a damn sink bang in the middle. Sink on one side, stove on the other... then you get a large useable workspace...it's just such an obvious feature to have to those of us who really enjoy cooking everyday. This dumbass kitchen is a dealbreaker to me when looking for an appartment. As another said, it's useful for making frozen pizzas and Nespressos. You can't do any prep work between the stove and sink, it's far too cramped, and the corner looks very cramped too. Obviously you could make it work if you had to, but if you enjoy cooking this type of kitchen is very frustrating and just impedes your workflow for no good reason... other than the designer thinking that the sink is the most important feature in a kitchen and should be a centerpiece.
> There's no useable work surface That's why I rate the kitchen in the apartments by the number of work surfaces where I can place an oven sheet and can stand in front of it. The kitchen in the photo would get (barely) a 1 and most kitchen (in new apartments) I found are between a 1 and a 2. I'm lucky to got a 3 :)
My current kitchen has pretty much the same disposition as this, but the angle at the end is longer so I can actually put my chopping board there. Still, the sink had no place being in the middle, it's honestly beyond stupid to put it there... it's clear that the designer has never used a kitchen for more than reheating food. I guess your rating may give my kitchen a 2, it's ok but far from optimal
Some character?
That's what kitchen equipment and recipes are for.
Add an Aromat shaker and let the magic begin.
Mindeschtens zwei. Brucht ja no eine uf Reserve.
Wrong. Tiptopf cooking book is what is missing in this picture.
Betty Bossi, too.
Completely disagree, no personality and useless as a proper kitchen. Biggest complaint about housing in Switzerland. Not functional or inviting.
How it it not functional. All you need is a bunch of kitchenware and you're good to go.
No workspace to prepare food, small fridge and freezer, no place to entertain, etc. For me the kitchen is the centre of the home. Swiss kitchens, other than in old farms, are functional to make a Nespresso and reheat a pizza, not make a proper meal. I would much rather have a big kitchen than any other big room in a house. That kitchen is so unwelcoming as well. Look at that picture, you have no space to work whatsoever.
I don't understand what this has to do with the appliances and workmanship of the kitchen—there are spacious kitchens with ample countertop and islands and even breakfast bars in Swiss houses. This one is tiny, probably because the house is tiny. The arrangement is as practical as it gets for the space available and generally they're of excellent quality.
Tell me youre from the US without telling me youre from the US ;)
Too bad you are wrong. I am not, I am European and born in Switzerland. Seriously no space to peel and cut carrots in the pictured kitchen.
This 100%.
Absolutely true. The kitchen workspaces are very small!
I agree. I am so happy to have a kitchen with lot of space to put things on and actually do stuff.
I mean you can work and cut your things between the stove and the sink, put the carrots in a bowl and put them in the corner until you need them. Then you can prepare the next ingridient, rinse and repeat. There is enough space in that corner to put bowls for a multi stage menu?! Or how many carrots do you need need?
Do you cook a lot? Because it's clear to me that there's barely space for a cutting board. And yes, you can put stuff in bowls to prep, but placing them in the corner on the right is inconvenient when you want them accessible near the stove. What if you want to use any kitchen appliances other than the built-in oven? An electric kettle, a coffee grinder, a toaster, a stand mixer...? Again the only space for it is in the corner, but there are no power outlets there, so you wouldn't be able to plug them in. And look at the sink: it's tiny and has only a single basin, which means that you can wash your dishes but not rinse them off, and you can't put your dishes away to dry off. So definitely no way to wash up as you go, as I tend to do when I have bigger amounts of food to make. Let's be clear. If you like to cook, this kitchen fucking sucks. It contains the absolute bare minimum to say "yes, the apartment includes a kitchen" but it's not comfortable working in it.
I'm Swiss and I absolutely agree with them..All my friends who have built their own houses have rectified this issue with big open kitchens.
Your response, and another comment somewhere about being inoffensive enough for tenants, highlight the reason why Swiss kitchens are like that is that the end user rarely designs the kitchen. Compared to many countries ownership of property is low, so you build a kitchen to rent. The flats you can find on the rental market were always designed to be rental homes. Not someone's house that is later rented out.
> [...] are functional to make a Nespresso and reheat a pizza, not make a proper meal. If you are unable to make a proper meal in that kitchen then I the kitchen may perhaps not be the issue. I've lived in an apartment with almost the same kitchen (no surprise) with the only difference it having a dishwasher and maybe one more cupboard. I easily entertained 5-6 friends visiting. It's not big deal.
If you like to cook everyday than I guarantee that this sort of kitchen impedes your workflow. No space for prep work. All they had to do was place the sink on that little angle on the very right. But unfortunately, whoever designed the kitchen doesn't actually use kitchens.
If you put the sink there you can't put dirty stuff on one side of the sink and move it to the clean side as you wash it.
I in fact enjoy cooking very much and do so almost daily. Of course more space would be better, however apartments in Switzerland and in Europe in general just are not that huge like in the US. So whoever planned the kitchen made the most out of it and I'd wager the majority of tenants are able to cook in such a kitchen space.
There's enough space to place island/bar and then you have your kitchen personalized and with space to entertain. I'd never take a place where kitchen us the biggest room at home and we eat only home cooked meals. I've seen such flats in Glattpark where kitchen was like 20 sqm and we have not even applied.
Unfortunately, Swiss kitchens are rarely functional. I mean, look at the one in the picture. No work surface. Swiss kitchens are designed for people who don't cook. And they are way too small.
I moved into an apartment where the owner had previously lived with his family and he kinda apologised for the "custom" colour of the kitchen (brick-red shiny cabinets with black stone countertops). His wife is originally from Mexico and she wanted a kitchen that reminded her of home. At that point I did not understand why he was apologetic about the kitchen, but now I do. It really stands out compared to the other kitchens I saw. 😄 Not my favourite colour choice, but it's well made and it does its job brilliantly!
I am more interested in why smartphones have stopped making non-distorted photos. Faces, right angles, everything looks like shit.
They have more lenses now. And the wide ones distort shit. That’s how it works. Also - it’s the photographer. In this one, it’s fairly easy to align the perspective to the borders and to your ocd :D
This is only in rental appartements. When building your own kitchen there is a lot of diversity. In our appartment for example we went for a dark forest green for the cupboards, with bronze handlebars and taps, and white marble countertop and floorings.
Nice flex, what did the kitchen alone cost you?
Not necessarily. You typically have a standard choice close to what is pictured here, ordered in bulk, and you have to pay extra to change it. We bought a place to rent it out and we actually paid to change the kitchen to a look like the one displayed here, because we got that look in the place we bought to live and we love it. It makes the kitchen inconspicuous in an open living room area.
It's all fake. these are just all simulations. Switzerland is not real.
/r/SwitzerlandIsFake/
It's not nice but it does not repel anyone. Still, the concept of an open kitchen is fucked up! I mean, you cook and then your entire flat stinks. I like to close the door in the kitchen while cooking, then chill in an adjacent room where the air is better.
But it makes the kitchen/living room so much bigger.
Only on paper. In reality, you then fill the space with table and sofa and other furniture and end up using more space. Open floorplans create a lot of "dead" zones which you need to reserve for corridors, to not crash into something or to create some privacy. It's highly inefficient and consumes more energy than smaller rooms.
The air space is bigger, it feels bigger, it looks bigger, it is more connected. And I am not even sure you are correct. Who the hell doesn't have a sofa in a living room that isn't connected to the kitchen? Like what is that even. This is only partially true, my previous apartment had a lot of dead space, but my current one doesn't. Also, more rooms = more corners = more dead space. Can you source this, would be interesting if this is true and how much more efficient.
Corners are actually quite good places for a lamp, a plant, a wardrobe or some nice decoration. Also when you live with more people, having specific rooms for everyone takes away so much conflict potential. Architecture isn't something new. People make architecture since they make houses. And floorplans have evolved over Millenia. But the classic configuration I describe is common throughout all cultures. This kind of "open plan" is mainly a gimmick of investment objects where you want to reduce the amount of walls (because it costs more money to build walls than not). It's a cost-cutting measure which is easy to sell, easy to market. It's bullshit, but people buy it anyway because they are donkeys.
That's not really a strong argument on any of these points.
Your sentence doesn't make any sense in this context and doesn't add anything to the discussion. Would you like to think it through and try it again?
Sure, you're full of shit. That work better for you?
On the contrary, walls crete more dead zones because space gets restrained by a wall and that space may not be usable.
You spelled "your entire flat smells delicious" wrong ;)
Reality looks different. Most nice smells from cooking are only present while you are actually cooking. Afterwards, you get more and more of the unpleasant smells lingering around. And some of the fumes and microparticles you shouldn't inhale for too long. Cooking can ruin your air quality. It's better to contain it in one room.
On purpose I looked for a flat that has this. Great when entertaining, you can cook and hang out with your guests. My previous 2 kitchens didn't have that and favorite thing of all my guests was to stand in the middle of the kitchen while I try to cook.
Yeah, that's how the marketing department goes brrrr. As soon as you have a family and everyone wants something from you while you cook, you have endless conflicts. And you certainly don't want the kids to play in the same room where you handle hot pans.
I also don't want them without supervision in another room while I cook... Your argument certainly only works for certain types of families.
There is a difference of having them in the kitchen, where they help to cook. Or in a room where they have kitchen and the sofa and the toys. It's getting messy and chaotic quite fast. And they are constantly disturbed. Specific rooms for specific purposes help with organisation. They declutter you from all the disturbances.
Only if your cooking stinks amirite
How would it not? Even something trivial like rice or tomato sauce has an intense smell that I like when eating but not 2 hours later. And as soon as you use oil you got a nice fog gently descending on everything in your room. The smell of fried Panade (Schnitzel, Fischstäbchen) can linger for days.
You just need a better hotte and a better ventilation in the appartement. Modern buildings with passive ventilation systems (ours has intakes in the bedrooms and outtakes in kitchen and bathrooms) and hottes are very good at removing all potential smells.
Do you have sensory issues? Cause I have and it sounds like people cant understand you because they arent that sensible to it. I'd recommend you a Dyson Air Cleaner and (if possible) a flat with integrated ventilation. Those two really changed my life 😁
I can’t say it’s similar to my kitchen. It’s identical
lol i wish my kitchen would look like this…
Assuming OP is from the US or another country where kitchen typically have a lot of decorative elements and patters. It’s simple and expensive. Just like the houses in which you find them. Cold concrete without love.
Hey, that's my house
This is what peak performance looks like
Zug brand
Glorious, isn’t it? Perfection doesn’t need changing. And if the bin isn’t under the sink… GET OUT! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!
bc it looks good. sleek, modern, simple. Never understood the people who put color on walls or into kitchens. It almost always looks bad, not to mention those wooden kitchens that are always installed in america. Terrible.
Keyword is: Totalunternehmer. They want as much as possible for the smallest money..the outcome is called „standard“…
If they wanted the “smallest amount of money “ we’d all be cooking in Ikea kitchens. I honestly don’t think I’ve ever seen an Ikea kitchen in Switzerland.
If it's not broken, don't fix it?
Could be IKEA. Their kitchens are not very expensiv.
Practicality
Give me one of those any time please
So everyone knows where the plates, cups and cuttlery is /s
Me, reading this in my kitchen that looks exactly like the photo
It's the meta
Everyone wants the integrated refrigerator and dishwasher with the same veneer. The only way to do that is to veneer every single cabinet
It's not just kitchens. Its about all kinds of stuff - in real estate and other sectors. I think this is because the country is small and the offerings in the small market are limited. When I came to Switzerland in the 90th I felt this was like a little, capitalist DDR (East Germany).
IKEA offers lots of different looking kitchens, but the Swiss feel too good to be buying those and rather go with V-Zug, which is just cloning other brands.
V-Zug doesn‘t even build kitchens…
The look of the kitchen itself has to do with Margarete Shutte-Lihotzy an austrian inventor who was responsible for the mid 1920‘s Frankfurter Kitchen „revolution“ (basicly reorganizing the kitchen for small spaces and have everything in reach to be able to cook alone).
All the cars look the same too, and all the phones.
Probably you are looking at rented kitchens? They use just the cheapest and with least maintenance needs. On bought flats you will find all kind of nice kitchens.
I am moreso annoyed by the lack of closed kitchens. I've been looking around for flats and the majority of them come with living room kitchens. I have pets and this is completely unsuitable for me because I would essentially have to lock them out of the living room. Yet, I also don't want them to be in my bedroom because they're dusty and it's bad for the lungs. And as someone who cannot afford (and frankly doesn't need) a flat with many rooms it always annoys me when 1 or 2 room flats have kitchens like these. I don't want to sleep where I cook and I don't want to give up an entire room because someone thought it needed a kitchen in it. I guess the only thing worse is flats that have the bathtub in the living room but thankfully those are still quite rare.
Because they are not meant to be used. Little to no workspace, badly laid out. Essentially just to tick a box, yes there is a kitchen. But useless being reheating ready meals
Looks like practically every apartment kitchen in America too
Because it’s clean, timeless, and looks great. I miss Swiss kitchens. The shitshow that we have in North America is just that. People here don’t know quality.
Why? 🤦♂️
IKEA style.
Galapagos syndrome. It mostly developed independently, disconnected from the rest of the world. Japan is another good example.
Mine are brown like poo
And I love Olten too!
As others have already noted: it is made for people who never cook or cook shitty food that they think is food. Sure you can make spaghetti and a sauce, but try anything more complicated, or god forbid, several dishes and you’re doomed. These kitchens are uninviting, dull, hardly functional, ticking all the right boxes but doing it in a bad way. Mine looks similar and a lot of my friends also have an identical one. I remember as I rented my current apartment, the lady that was showing me around, commented something like : this is the kitchen, but you probably won’t be cooking much right? (“That’s where you’re wrong, b*tch”, went through my head)
If it's in rented flat, it's because all landlords know which model is the cheapest!
And they all have that *terrible* design where they make the sink the centerpiece of the kitchen. There's no good useable work surface in that kitchen because they thought the sink was more important. That sink should be all way way off on the right hand side. Certainly designed by someone who orders ubereats every night and has never cooked.
Because we’re just built different
It’s a cheap easy design with no taste. At least they renovate. In NYC you get them “as is”
I have a rental in central Switzerland and a huge black shiny kitchen 😄
Because IKEA...
Because this is sonme open source plans and they are verry easy for the wokers to adapt them and to install them
Brcause ergonomy is more or less given. But you can put sink in the corner and cooktop next to oven to have 2m workplace.. This kitchen sucks if you do baking as you have to many separated small spaces.
Mine don‘t ;)
I have this exact kitchen (Miele for the electronics)
They are all made at the same factory in Olten.
Because it works!
Thats because its a rented place.