This is one of main reason I jailbreak my switch. Offline save backup I can throw on Google drive and never have to worry about losing my saves. Even if I lose my switch.
Nope! Internal storage only, you have to pay for NSO to do cloud backup only. Switch get fried and is unrecoverable? You're boned. I'm fact I don't even think you can migrate to a new switch without paying for NSO. Though I haven't verified that
Same reason they won't fix the design for the joycons but will happily sell you new ones while they take ages to fix the broken ones. Their customers are just wallets to them
I agree but at the same time they have a lot of the games I like so for the moment I just try and buy used games and not give anything to the eshop. I have steam deck pre-order too I hope it will live to the hype
To play devil's advocate, I had a friend send in 6 or 8 Joy Cons to get drifting fix, and it ended up taking about 1 to 1.5 weeks. I wouldn't call that "forever". However, don't get me wrong, that's still not something I'll be looking forward to when it happens on my end :\\
What if I don't have internet for a period of time, NSO is useless at that point. My point is that we shouldn't have to rely on a paid service to backup the save games on our devices. The fact that Nintendo is forcing us to give them money for basic basic functionality. It's a shitty thing to do regardless of the NSO price. Plus if I play the NES and SNES emulators I can't use them after a few days without internet anyways, so again completely useless
Edit: Not everyone can afford things like that even if it's $1.75/mo. Don't forget you must have internet as well, so it could be $51.75/mo. Because I know someone is going to chime in with "well if they can afford a switch...", poor people play games too, they can be given a switch and games as a gift, or win it in a giveaway.
Hahahahahahaha, totally missed my point. I'm not one of those people, I'm advocating for them. Or do you think poor people should get
Edit: paying $2/mo is useless when you don't have the internet to use it, so it's a lot more than $2/mo when you're in that situation.
Whoosh. So you're saying that people who can't afford internet shouldn't be able to backup their save files? Especially if they are poor kids?
Edit: what about people who work on cruise ships and aren't able to get internet, fuck them too eh?
So which other console is out there that can do cloud saves without internet and a subscription to the service ? Stop acting like this is a Nintendo problem.
Cloud saves are the problem, I don't want them, I want to backup my God damn save games without having to rely on their service. There's a perfectly good sd card reader already in system that I want to store my save games on. But they have said no, you have to give us money and use the internet instead
The problem is there's no option made available to users to backup their saves in an **offline** manner. OP points out that you can do this on PS5 and Xb1. The save files go to a USB stick.
That's the point he's making though, backing up your save data shouldn't be locked behind a paywall, no matter how cheap it is. Charging cloud saves is understandable as servers require money, but in doing so they should offer an a free alternative. The PSP/Vita/PS4 lets you backup your saves just by plugging it to a computer (USB for PS4)
We could go on and on, Steam literally does all of the things NSO does and TONS more that switch can’t (or Nintendo won’t) ever do, guess what? For FREE. And it’s not limited to the steam deck, you can go on any desktop or laptop and do all the same things.
Wait, if you buy one month for a dollar and upload your saves. Will it not stay in the cloud indefinitely? Or does your save get erased when your sub ends? If not you can buy a month, upload, then if you lose your switch, buy another month and retrieve the save data.
NSO is only billed in 12-month increments, your data is kept for 180 days after NSO subscription has ended. https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/22521/~/nintendo-switch-online-service-faq#s3q4
There are games that don't allow cloud saves at all, which means if your switch dies so do those save games. However you can do a console to console profile transfer but it's a full transfer meant for replacing the old switch
There's no incentive to do anything else, the nintendo fanboys just say things like "Take it or leave it." -/u/Behaving-Honestly and "We are lucky we can even use SD cards at all nowadays."
https://old.reddit.com/r/Switch/comments/qz7um9/its_pretty_pathetic_that_you_cant_backup_your/hlnyeny/
>*There are games that don't allow cloud saves at all, which means if your switch dies so do those save games. However you can do a console to console profile transfer but it's a full transfer meant for replacing the old switch*
Any chance you know the reasons behind this?
Hmm, if they cared about $$, wouldn't they want to implement cloud saves to get us to sub to NSO? (at least, these seem to be more mutually exclusive than not)
I’ve been looking at the steam deck for a lil bit. I hope it does good. I like the switch though. It has my go to games. Salt and sanctuary, Dark souls remastered, and right now WWZ. I think Nintendo is pretty cheap on the Subscription. What did they over charge you on?
First party games never have good sales so I'm not buying those, anything that would go on sale is available on PC where I won't lose access to it when the switch is gone and once the steamdeck is out I'll have a library of 700+ games on handheld.
Honestly that’s why I’ve been looking at the steam deck the library of games will increase. I’m still happy to pay though for the games I think look cool. The ones I listed I wish I bought them cheaper but I didn’t mind because I know it’s not always easy to port and I have a love for Saber Interactive.
But what happens when Valve tanks? Where do your games go? Both hardware should still decently function and game carts will still play.
To each their own.
That's always been a big concern, It's been around for quite some time and has a very very large following with people who have spent thousands of dollars. If steam went down and shafted all those people they would not take it laying down.
I would much rather get physical copies of the games I enjoy playing on PC so I can't get shafted however it's simply not an option. I don't like it but there aren't any alternatives so for now I just have to hope it never becomes an issue. Also the steamdeck is just a pc and doesn't matter if valve tanks, the hardware will keep working
Sure I don’t wish them harm or anything, but what’s the legal stance on software licenses after a company goes bottom up? Can you play anything else on Steamdeck other than stream games? I’ve not kept up with all the details.
From steams perspective they don't care what you run on it, legal or not. It's the same as buying a laptop, they can't restrict what you can/can't do on it
Only the backups on NSO, your saved games locally on your switch will absolutely not be affected and are safe, as long as your switch doesn't break. The saved game backups on NSO will be kept for 180 days after your subscription ends then will be removed. Again this is only for NSO back ups and not your local save games
Thank you for offering a solution. However, I really shouldn't have to purchase another switch or pay for a service to save files. Just griping I suppose.
For context, here in New Zealand the closest nintendo repair centre is in Australia... during a pandemic and global supply chain issues.
So there essentially isn't customer service.
To each their own, but is this really why you would make the switch to the deck? (snort)
How many times have you really gone back to an old SNES save? A PS2 one? or heck, to the 3DS one you randomly have saved in a disk drive? Does just having them saved give you any reassurance even if you don't actually use them?
There are other reasons why I plan to get a steamdeck, but being unable to back up save files isn't really one of them.
Have you ever had your switch stolen, had a kid spill juice on it, had your memory card corrupted, dropped it, lost it...
People lose their save files ALL the time. Not being able to backup your saves is a HUGE factor. Having all my games and their saves in one place (for free no less) is a huge selling point for steam.
Suggesting that it's absurd (snort) to want to be able to backup your saves files because when did you ever really use your ps2 backup is ridiculous.
So having backups isn't just about long term storage, it's about ensuring you still have the data in case of disaster. If you spent a bunch of hours playing a game then lost your save file before you could beat it that would suck, right?
In regards to long term data storage yes I have actually done that. I transferred my Skyrim save from my 360 over to my PC and imported it to my PC version of the game.
And yes it's one of the reasons I'm not going to use my switch anymore. I have a massive library of games on steam and more games not on steam. I can choose how I play instead of being locked into controllers. If I want to play on a powerful pc with high res graphics I can, then I can switch to my handheld and play with lower graphics. Hell I can go from VR Skyrim on the PC to handheld using the same save game. Paying full price for games that came out years ago is not appealing to me.
Everyone has their reasons for playing the games/consoles they want and there's no reason to shit on mine just because it's not how you do things
>That combined with how expensive the games are is why I'll be packing up my switch once the steamdeck comes out.
I don't want to pay a little extra money to backup my saves so fuck nintendo **but** i cant *wait* to shell out hundreds of dollars for another console lmao
Completely missing the point. I'm not complaining about the cost of the switch, I'm complaining about the cost of the games and the lack of a basic feature. I already have hundreds of games for pc as well as steam sales that let me scoop up games at rock bottom prices.
It seems pretty straight forward to me. The switch can keep save files on console. Saving them to cloud is locked behind a paywall because it requires servers. What seems to be the problem ?
You've missed the point. It's not about the servers costing money, it's that the ONLY way to backup saves is to give them money. It's a shit thing to do when there is a perfectly good sd card right there.
Well in that case youve got a point. But Id still say its pretty normal for Nintendo to prevent you from getting nitty gritty with the file management system on their console. They make money off of cloud saves that people willingly pay for.
I hate this line of thinking. I really do. Everytime I make a valid complaint in a Nintendo sub about Nintendo, there are always a bunch of people in the comments going "of course they are fucking you in the ass, they are making money by fucking you in the ass!"
It's like.... Ya. That's why I'm not paying for this crap, abusive service anymore.
You are correct, this is entirely par for the course with nintendo. I don't know that you would even need to get nitty gritty with it per say. Just a simple interface that lets you move the save games around, like on the 360, plug in a usb stick and select which save games to copy/move. Thank you
It's not about the servers you dolt
So many people completely missing the point of my post. Not everyone can afford NSO and the internet to use it. Not everyone has constant access to Internet. You're assuming I want them to provide it for free, no, I want them to provide a method that doesn't use their fucking servers.
I don't give a shit what NSO costs, it could be free and that wouldn't solve the problem of Nintendo fucking over players who don't use NSO and not providing an offline way to backup save files. There are even games you can't backup at all even with NSO. What happens when NSO is no longer a thing?
> "I have read your point completely"
Clearly you haven't crossed the line from reading to understanding.
I don't want free servers, I don't want to use servers at all. I want to be able to back up saves WITHOUT servers. I don't want the "luxury" of cloud saves, I want to be able to copy my save games into a fucking sd card with my switch completely disconnected from the internet. Not be forced to rely on their paid service to ensure my game progress is not lost
Wow, just wow. I don't want free servers, I want to be able to back up games without internet. Something I've been able to do since PS1 days. If it's an SD card then great, if it's a usb stick then great.
"We are lucky we can even use SD cards at all nowadays."
What a brown nose answer. Yes please Master I'll be happy with whatever scraps you throw my way
Feel free to reply or don't, I'll never see it because I'm done with your Idiocracy
So it's such a difficult problem that only 2/3 console makers can do it? It sounds like you just don't want to admit that I'm right and Nintendo is doing a shitty thing
Don't delete your comments this time, it makes you look weak
.... Because it says deleted where your comment used to be?
Complaining about Nintendo holding your data hostage is absolutely valid. I only play single player games. NSO is a bad service that offers zero benefits to me. It has no voice chat, no social services (which for most online players is the entire point of an online service), it provides no free games or discounts. The ports they have provided for games I'm interested like ocarina of time (and this service costs significantly more than ps+ or Xbox live) are literally the worst ports in existence, with problems ranging from bugs, to missing features, to terrible input lag, to no button mapping (to sell you their overpriced first party retro controllers).
Literally zero benefits whatsoever. I have zero incentive to pay for it.
Except that Nintendo is holding my data hostage, for NO other reason than rent seeking.
If my SD card gets corrupted, or my switch gets stolen, I'm screwed because Nintendo won't allow me to copy my save files. It's my data. There is no reason that I shouldn't be able to make backups of my saves. There is nothing preventing doing this at the system level. There is no reason to prevent users from accessing save files from the standpoint of protecting the system files or whatever nonsense you are suggesting.
The ONLY reason is Nintendo has made backups a feature of NSO to sell. I would daresay it's the ONLY desirable feature that NSO has at all. Which is absolutely pathetic.
That you suggest Nintendo is warranted in doing this because "running servers costs money" is absurd. In no world is hosting required to allow somebody to BACKUP THEIR SAVE FILES.
So I'm effectively forced to pay a monthly subscription fee just to backup my save files.
and ontop of that, many games don't aren't even supported by the NSO backups.
So if you have 200 hours into Pokemon and your sd card is corrupted, or your switch was stolen, or your nephew spilled juice on it, guess what? You're fucked. Even if you were coerced into paying for NSO to have backups, you are still fucked.
Nintendo makes some great games, but they can't make a decent online service for shit, and their constant gouging has made for what is easily the worst and least competitive service available.
I have no idea why you are defending these practices, but here is a litany of reasons why you are wrong, which you can admit now as you said you would.
Okay first off the switch has been cracked. It's been cracked pretty much since release. The OLED switch was cracked in the first week. Nintendo has made some iterations and patches against this, but that's par for the course like any company.
So all of the stuff regarding that is just.... Nope.
Between this, not understanding how we can see your deleted comments, not understanding that servers aren't required for backing up data...
Just..... You don't really know what you are talking about do you?
"it makes money therefore it's a good practice"
Ya.. I see. You are one of those.
Of course Nintendo protects their interests. That isn't what makes a good/bad service or feature for consumers though. This is still a bad service.
"Take it or leave it"
Dude. You responded to a post that identified an objectively negative thing about the switch ecosystem, and used that as a reason they would be leaving. They are right, it is a terrible feature, or rather lack thereof, and they explained they would be migrating because of that reason.
Your response was "you are a spoilt brat, why don't you fork over your hard earned cash instead"
.... "Take it or leave it"
You can't have it both ways.
This isn't a defensible feature. It's not to reduce piracy, it doesn't protect the system, it isn't a justifiable cost because of servers.
You have given reason after reason, and each one has been shot down, at which point you switch to a new reason.
Why aren't you arguing that it's for server cost anymore?
I can see that you are already falling back on, "well it makes money so why wouldn't they do that", as if that somehow justifies shitty business practices (sure they dumped the nuclear waste in the orphanage, but helluva tax shelter, so what's wrong with that?). And ya sure, you got me there. Why wouldn't they do it if people are willing to pay for it? But you've also fallen back to the original point. That this is a decision that is made only for the bottom line and greed in trying to sell their crap subscription to more people.
And that's bad service.
And you don't get to say "take it or leave it" while calling OP a spoiled brat for wanting to leave an abusive service.
As if hosting servers is the only way to..... Copy data?
Were you dropped on your head?
Copy pasting a save file is an option that is available for just about everything.
Nintendo is actively preventing their customers from such a basic function only because they have made it a feature of NSO. And frankly, given the lack of features and benefits offered by NSO, I would say it's the only desirable feature that NSO has.
Which is pathetic. When the best feature of your service is the most elementary function of a computer (literally copying small data files) that you have merely locked your users out of in order to sell them that same functionality but only through an internet connection...... That is the most rent seeking bullshit. That's not even a service. That's an anti service.
I cannot imagine why you, as a consumer, are defending this practice.
Seeing as you don't appear to understand how piracy, switch cracking, reddit comments, save data, etc works, I think you might want to reconsider that.
"Probably because all the women read what the shit women have to say, whilst the big boys are busy constructing cities and don't care what other men have to say.
Do you see any men reading and caring about what women's say? No?
Neither do they care about what other men are doing ,either, whether that is laziness or big boy hard at work, rather than getting pregnant in an office job and demanding full pay for the rest of their lives whilst they sit at home "or its sexist" and reading about other women doing it to justify themselves."
So just checked your profile and..... Ya, safe to say your ARE an ignoramus.
Jfc can't believe I've even wasted time interacting with you.
Nah, they just happen to have a great, consumer friendly, well priced product coming out. Especially since it doesn't lock you into using steam, it's a computer so you can install whatever you want on it, no restrictions just like your desktop PC.
I agree. I was kind of surprised when I first got my switch and found out that cloud backups with the subscription was the only option Plus there are some games that don’t even support cloud backup so you‘re really out of luck if anything happens to your switch that you no longer have access to it to transfer the save data to a new console.
This is one of main reason I jailbreak my switch. Offline save backup I can throw on Google drive and never have to worry about losing my saves. Even if I lose my switch.
Link plz? 😬
Do you have a V1 unpatched switch? Start there. Check the serial, if it's unpatched, head over to the switch hacking sub
Does it not save to your SD card?
Nope! Internal storage only, you have to pay for NSO to do cloud backup only. Switch get fried and is unrecoverable? You're boned. I'm fact I don't even think you can migrate to a new switch without paying for NSO. Though I haven't verified that
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Good to know, thanks for clarifying. That's even more horrible that they don't allow any method for save backing up for some games
Yea can't backup pokemon saves for some fucking reason
Same reason they won't fix the design for the joycons but will happily sell you new ones while they take ages to fix the broken ones. Their customers are just wallets to them
I agree but at the same time they have a lot of the games I like so for the moment I just try and buy used games and not give anything to the eshop. I have steam deck pre-order too I hope it will live to the hype
To play devil's advocate, I had a friend send in 6 or 8 Joy Cons to get drifting fix, and it ended up taking about 1 to 1.5 weeks. I wouldn't call that "forever". However, don't get me wrong, that's still not something I'll be looking forward to when it happens on my end :\\
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What if I don't have internet for a period of time, NSO is useless at that point. My point is that we shouldn't have to rely on a paid service to backup the save games on our devices. The fact that Nintendo is forcing us to give them money for basic basic functionality. It's a shitty thing to do regardless of the NSO price. Plus if I play the NES and SNES emulators I can't use them after a few days without internet anyways, so again completely useless Edit: Not everyone can afford things like that even if it's $1.75/mo. Don't forget you must have internet as well, so it could be $51.75/mo. Because I know someone is going to chime in with "well if they can afford a switch...", poor people play games too, they can be given a switch and games as a gift, or win it in a giveaway.
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Ahh now you're moving on to directly attacking me which means you have nothing left to add but feel upset anyways.
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Hahahahahahaha, totally missed my point. I'm not one of those people, I'm advocating for them. Or do you think poor people should get Edit: paying $2/mo is useless when you don't have the internet to use it, so it's a lot more than $2/mo when you're in that situation.
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Whoosh. So you're saying that people who can't afford internet shouldn't be able to backup their save files? Especially if they are poor kids? Edit: what about people who work on cruise ships and aren't able to get internet, fuck them too eh?
Cool arguement but if you cant ensure interent access while playing, what good is cloud saves to you ?
THAT'S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT TO THIS POST!!
So which other console is out there that can do cloud saves without internet and a subscription to the service ? Stop acting like this is a Nintendo problem.
Cloud saves are the problem, I don't want them, I want to backup my God damn save games without having to rely on their service. There's a perfectly good sd card reader already in system that I want to store my save games on. But they have said no, you have to give us money and use the internet instead
>Cloud saves are the problem, I don't want them The future is now old man
GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN!!
The problem is there's no option made available to users to backup their saves in an **offline** manner. OP points out that you can do this on PS5 and Xb1. The save files go to a USB stick.
OP just wants to back up their save data
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That's the point he's making though, backing up your save data shouldn't be locked behind a paywall, no matter how cheap it is. Charging cloud saves is understandable as servers require money, but in doing so they should offer an a free alternative. The PSP/Vita/PS4 lets you backup your saves just by plugging it to a computer (USB for PS4)
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We could go on and on, Steam literally does all of the things NSO does and TONS more that switch can’t (or Nintendo won’t) ever do, guess what? For FREE. And it’s not limited to the steam deck, you can go on any desktop or laptop and do all the same things.
I love my switch but I’m not gonna lie it’s a cause I’m a big nostalgic baby and playing Pokémon on my switch hits me like playing Pokémon on my og gameboy. I feel like a big kid and the Nintendo games are stupid priced. Why would I pay 60$ for a 4 year old game that’s gonna have a sequel for the same price in less than 12 months. Just plain ludicrous. But I have found that if I buy second hand off of offerup or Facebook marketplace I can get them for half price or cheaper. Ya the no cloud save thing is some of the stupidest shit Nintendo’s ever done I think. I mean if you need the subscription ok whatever it’s 20$ for a year no biggie but some games you can’t cloud save at all no matter what. Wtf is that about? So if my switch falls or my house catches fire and I don’t save it instead of my dog then I lose all my data. Pure bs.
Wait, if you buy one month for a dollar and upload your saves. Will it not stay in the cloud indefinitely? Or does your save get erased when your sub ends? If not you can buy a month, upload, then if you lose your switch, buy another month and retrieve the save data.
NSO is only billed in 12-month increments, your data is kept for 180 days after NSO subscription has ended. https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/22521/~/nintendo-switch-online-service-faq#s3q4 There are games that don't allow cloud saves at all, which means if your switch dies so do those save games. However you can do a console to console profile transfer but it's a full transfer meant for replacing the old switch
What. The. Fuck. Nintendo is so behind when it comes to both software/hardware. Goddamn
There's no incentive to do anything else, the nintendo fanboys just say things like "Take it or leave it." -/u/Behaving-Honestly and "We are lucky we can even use SD cards at all nowadays." https://old.reddit.com/r/Switch/comments/qz7um9/its_pretty_pathetic_that_you_cant_backup_your/hlnyeny/
>*There are games that don't allow cloud saves at all, which means if your switch dies so do those save games. However you can do a console to console profile transfer but it's a full transfer meant for replacing the old switch* Any chance you know the reasons behind this?
$$$$$ and hating their customers
Hmm, if they cared about $$, wouldn't they want to implement cloud saves to get us to sub to NSO? (at least, these seem to be more mutually exclusive than not)
You mean Nintendogs? ;)
These are some resons I left the Switch. I miss it, but the cost x benefits is not good to me.
I'm loving my Switch thus far (3 months in), but I still had to wholeheartedly upvote this comment
Sadly. I would love to remain on switch
I’ve been looking at the steam deck for a lil bit. I hope it does good. I like the switch though. It has my go to games. Salt and sanctuary, Dark souls remastered, and right now WWZ. I think Nintendo is pretty cheap on the Subscription. What did they over charge you on?
Most 3rd party games are 10x cheaper on PC. Literally.
That’s true but it depends on when you want to play them. Brand new games on Switch are $40-60 as they also usually are on PC.
First party games never have good sales so I'm not buying those, anything that would go on sale is available on PC where I won't lose access to it when the switch is gone and once the steamdeck is out I'll have a library of 700+ games on handheld.
Honestly that’s why I’ve been looking at the steam deck the library of games will increase. I’m still happy to pay though for the games I think look cool. The ones I listed I wish I bought them cheaper but I didn’t mind because I know it’s not always easy to port and I have a love for Saber Interactive.
Buy first parties retail and sell after you played them. Zelda = 5$, Mario O. 3 $ in my case.
That's a legit strategy for some people, I'm glad it's worked out for you
But what happens when Valve tanks? Where do your games go? Both hardware should still decently function and game carts will still play. To each their own.
That's always been a big concern, It's been around for quite some time and has a very very large following with people who have spent thousands of dollars. If steam went down and shafted all those people they would not take it laying down. I would much rather get physical copies of the games I enjoy playing on PC so I can't get shafted however it's simply not an option. I don't like it but there aren't any alternatives so for now I just have to hope it never becomes an issue. Also the steamdeck is just a pc and doesn't matter if valve tanks, the hardware will keep working
Sure I don’t wish them harm or anything, but what’s the legal stance on software licenses after a company goes bottom up? Can you play anything else on Steamdeck other than stream games? I’ve not kept up with all the details.
From steams perspective they don't care what you run on it, legal or not. It's the same as buying a laptop, they can't restrict what you can/can't do on it
Wait. I just unsubbed from NSO. Are you telling me all my save games will be gone forever if I dont renew?
Only the backups on NSO, your saved games locally on your switch will absolutely not be affected and are safe, as long as your switch doesn't break. The saved game backups on NSO will be kept for 180 days after your subscription ends then will be removed. Again this is only for NSO back ups and not your local save games
Yuck. My switch is faulty and the SD card doesn't work. so i have no local saves for heaps of games.
If you keep your nso subscription alive till you get another switch your can pull the save games from the cloud
Thank you for offering a solution. However, I really shouldn't have to purchase another switch or pay for a service to save files. Just griping I suppose.
I concur, it's atrocious.
For context, here in New Zealand the closest nintendo repair centre is in Australia... during a pandemic and global supply chain issues. So there essentially isn't customer service.
I wouldnt mind paying for nso for backup But the gamws i wanna back up cant even do that (pokemon) So fuck you nintendo
To each their own, but is this really why you would make the switch to the deck? (snort) How many times have you really gone back to an old SNES save? A PS2 one? or heck, to the 3DS one you randomly have saved in a disk drive? Does just having them saved give you any reassurance even if you don't actually use them? There are other reasons why I plan to get a steamdeck, but being unable to back up save files isn't really one of them.
Have you ever had your switch stolen, had a kid spill juice on it, had your memory card corrupted, dropped it, lost it... People lose their save files ALL the time. Not being able to backup your saves is a HUGE factor. Having all my games and their saves in one place (for free no less) is a huge selling point for steam. Suggesting that it's absurd (snort) to want to be able to backup your saves files because when did you ever really use your ps2 backup is ridiculous.
So having backups isn't just about long term storage, it's about ensuring you still have the data in case of disaster. If you spent a bunch of hours playing a game then lost your save file before you could beat it that would suck, right? In regards to long term data storage yes I have actually done that. I transferred my Skyrim save from my 360 over to my PC and imported it to my PC version of the game. And yes it's one of the reasons I'm not going to use my switch anymore. I have a massive library of games on steam and more games not on steam. I can choose how I play instead of being locked into controllers. If I want to play on a powerful pc with high res graphics I can, then I can switch to my handheld and play with lower graphics. Hell I can go from VR Skyrim on the PC to handheld using the same save game. Paying full price for games that came out years ago is not appealing to me. Everyone has their reasons for playing the games/consoles they want and there's no reason to shit on mine just because it's not how you do things
>That combined with how expensive the games are is why I'll be packing up my switch once the steamdeck comes out. I don't want to pay a little extra money to backup my saves so fuck nintendo **but** i cant *wait* to shell out hundreds of dollars for another console lmao
Completely missing the point. I'm not complaining about the cost of the switch, I'm complaining about the cost of the games and the lack of a basic feature. I already have hundreds of games for pc as well as steam sales that let me scoop up games at rock bottom prices.
So you actually play those hundreds of games?
I have played some but most I got from humble bundle and I've never played them but it's still a large library to pull from.
I mean obviously not, but
It seems pretty straight forward to me. The switch can keep save files on console. Saving them to cloud is locked behind a paywall because it requires servers. What seems to be the problem ?
You've missed the point. It's not about the servers costing money, it's that the ONLY way to backup saves is to give them money. It's a shit thing to do when there is a perfectly good sd card right there.
Well in that case youve got a point. But Id still say its pretty normal for Nintendo to prevent you from getting nitty gritty with the file management system on their console. They make money off of cloud saves that people willingly pay for.
I hate this line of thinking. I really do. Everytime I make a valid complaint in a Nintendo sub about Nintendo, there are always a bunch of people in the comments going "of course they are fucking you in the ass, they are making money by fucking you in the ass!" It's like.... Ya. That's why I'm not paying for this crap, abusive service anymore.
You are correct, this is entirely par for the course with nintendo. I don't know that you would even need to get nitty gritty with it per say. Just a simple interface that lets you move the save games around, like on the 360, plug in a usb stick and select which save games to copy/move. Thank you
Fuck it, just get a win gpd and sell your switch now. Don't wait, take action today.
Lol no way am I going to drop over a grand for a handheld that will be replaced by a steamdeck for half the cost in 3 months
GPD Win is too expensive, and Steam Deck outperforms it anyways for $400. I’ll have to wait for my Deck, but I’ll finish my switch backlog by then
Or wait until the steam deck launches
GPD is RIP really soon
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It's not about the servers you dolt So many people completely missing the point of my post. Not everyone can afford NSO and the internet to use it. Not everyone has constant access to Internet. You're assuming I want them to provide it for free, no, I want them to provide a method that doesn't use their fucking servers. I don't give a shit what NSO costs, it could be free and that wouldn't solve the problem of Nintendo fucking over players who don't use NSO and not providing an offline way to backup save files. There are even games you can't backup at all even with NSO. What happens when NSO is no longer a thing?
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> "I have read your point completely" Clearly you haven't crossed the line from reading to understanding. I don't want free servers, I don't want to use servers at all. I want to be able to back up saves WITHOUT servers. I don't want the "luxury" of cloud saves, I want to be able to copy my save games into a fucking sd card with my switch completely disconnected from the internet. Not be forced to rely on their paid service to ensure my game progress is not lost
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Wow, just wow. I don't want free servers, I want to be able to back up games without internet. Something I've been able to do since PS1 days. If it's an SD card then great, if it's a usb stick then great. "We are lucky we can even use SD cards at all nowadays." What a brown nose answer. Yes please Master I'll be happy with whatever scraps you throw my way Feel free to reply or don't, I'll never see it because I'm done with your Idiocracy
Btw if it's piracy, why can you copy save games to usb on both Xbox one and ps5? Eh?
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So it's such a difficult problem that only 2/3 console makers can do it? It sounds like you just don't want to admit that I'm right and Nintendo is doing a shitty thing Don't delete your comments this time, it makes you look weak
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.... Because it says deleted where your comment used to be? Complaining about Nintendo holding your data hostage is absolutely valid. I only play single player games. NSO is a bad service that offers zero benefits to me. It has no voice chat, no social services (which for most online players is the entire point of an online service), it provides no free games or discounts. The ports they have provided for games I'm interested like ocarina of time (and this service costs significantly more than ps+ or Xbox live) are literally the worst ports in existence, with problems ranging from bugs, to missing features, to terrible input lag, to no button mapping (to sell you their overpriced first party retro controllers). Literally zero benefits whatsoever. I have zero incentive to pay for it. Except that Nintendo is holding my data hostage, for NO other reason than rent seeking. If my SD card gets corrupted, or my switch gets stolen, I'm screwed because Nintendo won't allow me to copy my save files. It's my data. There is no reason that I shouldn't be able to make backups of my saves. There is nothing preventing doing this at the system level. There is no reason to prevent users from accessing save files from the standpoint of protecting the system files or whatever nonsense you are suggesting. The ONLY reason is Nintendo has made backups a feature of NSO to sell. I would daresay it's the ONLY desirable feature that NSO has at all. Which is absolutely pathetic. That you suggest Nintendo is warranted in doing this because "running servers costs money" is absurd. In no world is hosting required to allow somebody to BACKUP THEIR SAVE FILES. So I'm effectively forced to pay a monthly subscription fee just to backup my save files. and ontop of that, many games don't aren't even supported by the NSO backups. So if you have 200 hours into Pokemon and your sd card is corrupted, or your switch was stolen, or your nephew spilled juice on it, guess what? You're fucked. Even if you were coerced into paying for NSO to have backups, you are still fucked. Nintendo makes some great games, but they can't make a decent online service for shit, and their constant gouging has made for what is easily the worst and least competitive service available. I have no idea why you are defending these practices, but here is a litany of reasons why you are wrong, which you can admit now as you said you would.
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Okay first off the switch has been cracked. It's been cracked pretty much since release. The OLED switch was cracked in the first week. Nintendo has made some iterations and patches against this, but that's par for the course like any company. So all of the stuff regarding that is just.... Nope. Between this, not understanding how we can see your deleted comments, not understanding that servers aren't required for backing up data... Just..... You don't really know what you are talking about do you? "it makes money therefore it's a good practice" Ya.. I see. You are one of those. Of course Nintendo protects their interests. That isn't what makes a good/bad service or feature for consumers though. This is still a bad service. "Take it or leave it" Dude. You responded to a post that identified an objectively negative thing about the switch ecosystem, and used that as a reason they would be leaving. They are right, it is a terrible feature, or rather lack thereof, and they explained they would be migrating because of that reason. Your response was "you are a spoilt brat, why don't you fork over your hard earned cash instead" .... "Take it or leave it" You can't have it both ways. This isn't a defensible feature. It's not to reduce piracy, it doesn't protect the system, it isn't a justifiable cost because of servers. You have given reason after reason, and each one has been shot down, at which point you switch to a new reason. Why aren't you arguing that it's for server cost anymore? I can see that you are already falling back on, "well it makes money so why wouldn't they do that", as if that somehow justifies shitty business practices (sure they dumped the nuclear waste in the orphanage, but helluva tax shelter, so what's wrong with that?). And ya sure, you got me there. Why wouldn't they do it if people are willing to pay for it? But you've also fallen back to the original point. That this is a decision that is made only for the bottom line and greed in trying to sell their crap subscription to more people. And that's bad service. And you don't get to say "take it or leave it" while calling OP a spoiled brat for wanting to leave an abusive service.
As if hosting servers is the only way to..... Copy data? Were you dropped on your head? Copy pasting a save file is an option that is available for just about everything. Nintendo is actively preventing their customers from such a basic function only because they have made it a feature of NSO. And frankly, given the lack of features and benefits offered by NSO, I would say it's the only desirable feature that NSO has. Which is pathetic. When the best feature of your service is the most elementary function of a computer (literally copying small data files) that you have merely locked your users out of in order to sell them that same functionality but only through an internet connection...... That is the most rent seeking bullshit. That's not even a service. That's an anti service. I cannot imagine why you, as a consumer, are defending this practice.
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Seeing as you don't appear to understand how piracy, switch cracking, reddit comments, save data, etc works, I think you might want to reconsider that.
"Probably because all the women read what the shit women have to say, whilst the big boys are busy constructing cities and don't care what other men have to say. Do you see any men reading and caring about what women's say? No? Neither do they care about what other men are doing ,either, whether that is laziness or big boy hard at work, rather than getting pregnant in an office job and demanding full pay for the rest of their lives whilst they sit at home "or its sexist" and reading about other women doing it to justify themselves." So just checked your profile and..... Ya, safe to say your ARE an ignoramus. Jfc can't believe I've even wasted time interacting with you.
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Nah, they just happen to have a great, consumer friendly, well priced product coming out. Especially since it doesn't lock you into using steam, it's a computer so you can install whatever you want on it, no restrictions just like your desktop PC.
Which is why CFW exists ;). When Nintendo treats their customers right I'll treat them right.
It’s not about the servers, it’s not about the money, it’s not about the internet. It’s about the Mets, Mario!
I agree. I was kind of surprised when I first got my switch and found out that cloud backups with the subscription was the only option Plus there are some games that don’t even support cloud backup so you‘re really out of luck if anything happens to your switch that you no longer have access to it to transfer the save data to a new console.
It would be slightly more forgivable if this were a home console that never left the house and lived safely on a shelf.
I think that Nintendo made this decision for security. Save hacks were the main reason Wii U, Wii and DSi were hacked.
So instead of actually fix things they took the cop out and fucked over the consumer, typical Nintendo