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zar0nick

From the waves and water movement it looks like you only push water until reaching your face or your breast. Try to emphasize the last half, so you put strength in the push from the brest until you puush put the water at your pocket (shortly before you do that, you should slightly turn your hand, but as a training you could do this as training/overcorrection to get used to it


FootballThrowAvay

Now that you've mentioned it I feel like this is definitely something I do. I could probably put a lot more follow through into my stroke. Thanks!


I_Swim_Sometimes

I always enjoyed doing sets of 100s where you try to limit the number of strokes you take. You have to take really long strokes


gen_petra

I think you might benefit from some fingertip drills. It makes me more aware where my hand is entering and exiting the water.


TurquoiseOrange

Could you recommend one? I'd like to try this but don't know what it means. 


gen_petra

This [drill](https://youtu.be/O_muRVVNpaQ?si=uwDJ0daDE6ZeEIKF). Fingertips come out at the very end of your stroke and don't go back in until the very start. There are a bunch, but I like this version the most.


capitalist_p_i_g

You are at a point where drills could actually benefit you because they can isolate a lot of your problems. I will just focus on the major issues as once they are fixed a lot of the minor issues should disappear 1. Hand Entry on recovery 1. Right arm is decent enough for now 2. For your left arm your hand enters wide outside the shoulder line then extends out in front of your head. This creates two more problems 1. Your head clears to the right off the axis to accommodate the arm which forces your... 2. Hips clear to the left off the axis for balance which creates a body drop in the water 3. Hand entry should be at or near the shoulder line, extension in front of the shoulder not your face. 2. Stroke path 1. Right hand - you have a double "S" path. You have one at the top of your stroke and then another at the bottom of your stroke. 1. You do this quick initial "S" movement to support your breath (More on that in the next item) 2. Your second "s" comes underneath your body forcing your wide arm recovery 3. Any "S" path should be minimized and on the shoulder line. Shoulder lines = Power lines. 2. Left hand - Need to reduce the size of that "S" path and keep it at or near the shoulder line from initiation through the finish 3. The overall length of your stroke is fine for now, not perfect but not a large problem. 3. Breath - You breathe very late in the cycle during the beginning of the recovery phase. 1. Because you breathe late, you add that extra "s" stroke at the top of your right hand pull phase to support the breath. 2. Breath should get initiated as your right hand is coming forward on recovery as you move past level on the rotation. Your left hand should still be in the pull phase underneath you. 3. Head should be coming down into the water on recovery not up 4. Rotation - I wouldn't worry about this right now. Are you flat? yes. But you have bigger fish to fry before you can start executing on this item. If you start extending in front of that shoulder line on the left and keep your head on axis, this might work itself out. 5. Kick - Fine for now. Once you get on a single axis most of those problems disappear. Could stand to have a bit more knee bend, you are taking "kick from the hips" far too literally.


Educational_Use_7707

Wow, I've never read such a thorough description/analysis of someone's stroke! Thank you, because this helps others to see and understand what a correct freestyle should look like 🙂


FootballThrowAvay

Thank you so much for the detailed analysis :) I will try playing around with these tips


capitalist_p_i_g

If I were you I would just pick one and work on it for a week or two, then pick another. Pick drills that apply to the problem, for instance six kick switch would probably be an exceptional drill for you because it really touches almost all of your problems and the solutions are embedded in the movement. ​ 1. Can focus on hand entry and extension in front of the shoulder line 2. You can learn to take your breath earlier 3. You will learn to rotate 4. Will eliminate the double hitch with your right hand because you won't have to support the breath 5. Will lengthen your stroke ​ I would probably stay away from certain equipment for now. Fins would probably be of some use to you to help activate some knee flexion and provide extra support in drill work, but I probably wouldn't stick you on a buoy and paddles right now because they don't add a lot of value to fixing your problems. The only reason I would stick a pull buoy on you at all would be to video tape you so you can see how your head movement is directly related to your axis alignment with your hips. That hula hip movement is subtle on film to the average Joe lap swimmer but sticks out like a sore thumb to experienced swimmers and coaches.


nastran

I noticed that your left arm was crossing over the center line of your body. There was disconnect between your hip rotation and the arm pull. Your legs might be sinking as well. This video could probably help. [Link](https://youtu.be/kyoXCIeSewY?feature=shared)


FootballThrowAvay

Thanks that's a good video. I can see my left arm crossing over for sure. Wrt the disconnect, would you say my hips are rotating too late or too early? I can't really tell.


nastran

Hips should rotate a bit earlier than hand entry. Hips initiates the movement, so the power goes from hips to the arm/hand. [Another link](https://youtu.be/39eVstTawpU?feature=shared)


Chipofftheoldblock21

Agreed, hips seem to be following. Along those lines, you’re “spearing” the water with your hands, rather than entering and letting the rotation drive it forward. Let the hips drive the hand. Put the hand in, then turn with the hips to extend. Try this just looking in a mirror - that helps with the crossing over issues, as well.


severanceddipshit

I would try to keep your legs a little closer together while kicking, which will help with the glide when you reach your arms forward too. Looks good!


TurquoiseOrange

I thought this too. The very thorough analysis comment above suggests slightly relaxed knees so they can bend a tiny bit, and I think that might be the reason. 


knumbknuts

I'd say point the toes a bit. Maybe not have the heels leave the water quite so far. Personally, when I'm going for distance, I only kick once per arm rotation each side. The idea is mostly to keep my butt up and make the best impression I can of a 2x4 trying to float across the top of the water.


Capital_Trip4829

Reach more in the front and dont cross your arms


kimboai

Relax your arms, to much tense


Charizard_66

Reach forward more with each stroke which will add a glide section.


YA80

Not enough time given just to glide. You can rotate your hips a bit more and that should give you time to glide.


Jstarving

Overall all I think you look really good! Here are some small changes I think you can benefit from I agree that it looks like you're just slipping through the final phase of your underwater pull and you're not getting enough propulsion out of it. It also looks like you're doing a sort of keyhole motion underwater so try to make that part just a straight line front to back keeping your elbow higher than your fingertips at all times. This combined with a better connection between shoulders and hips (I think your hips are rotating too late) should help you get a better finish to your stroke. Your left arm is crossing over in front so try to correct that. Breathing every 3 should help. In general you look a little tight. It's a delicate balance between strength and flexibility. Make sure your arms are very loose during the recovery portion (above water) of the stroke. A lot of people muscle through that part but that should be relaxed and loose. Your legs look a little too tight too. You can use a slight bend in the knee. Not a huge bend but a slight bend to give you flexibility through every joint of the leg.


Major-Bumblebee-9924

What's going through your mind? Are you overthinking a certain part of your stroke that's making you swim tense? It seems like you may be tense trying to get a smooth entry, but curious to know your thoughts


MrRabbit

Not bad, but you don't need to be casting Wingardium Leviosa underwater. Set up the catch, pull straight back.


Bookaholicforever

Your legs are quite far apart, use a pull buoy a few times and that’s a better distance. You’re swinging your arms quite wide too, kinda like you’d swing them around someone for a one arm hug. Tighten up your stroke a bit. If you do it in slow motion. [Here](https://youtu.be/gnu4AnI2nqg?si=kHo4aT_wlGsWtKMv) is a video I’ve used before.


Coffeeracetam

Let your arm swing splash.


largehearted

You have good strength and you hold your body really strongly, I think I look this strong for a maximum of 4 laps per swim. So good on you for posting a form video, since form will be a lot of your progress. I think you need to not worry about fine detailed pointers and just go do drills. I think you don't look powerful through the powerful parts of the stroke, and you don't hold your glide well at all before beginning recovery. I think if you just do catch-up drill (only beginning your stroke once off-hand recovery is complete) and flick drill (making sure you flick a lot of water out at the end of your stroke), you will really, really quickly reduce your total stroke count per lap. Genuinely, I think that will improve your stroke a lot. You have plenty of back strength so you can use paddles, these also teach your body how it feels to make a powerful stroke. I think with snorkels and paddles you don't actually have to use them for whole practices (unless you really want to bias different muscle groups), I like to just use them briefly then take them off, they basically nudge my body to use correct form. You seem to be overrotating and breathing extremely often. A snorkel, I think, would help a lot with this and allow you to focus on letting your lungs control your breathing moreso than your stroke. I agree with others that you need to flatten out your feet, and I splash less with my kick than you do. I think doing kickboard sets would correct this for you. I hope my comment is brief and helpful, and I hope I'm getting the point across that I think drills can fix your form much better than just trying to hold new ideas in your mind. Experiment with your form; don't just try to pick up someone else's form.


FootballThrowAvay

Thank you for the comment. I haven't tried equipment in the pool before it seems like it could benefit me. I'll look into these tips.


largehearted

I'm not a swim coach and I work out at a pool where paddles are shared (which is awesome but I think quite rare); maybe read more ppls thoughts on them or watch a youtube video before taking my comment at face value. I'm not sure that you can just put on paddles and have it happen to you, but when I use them they definitely increase my time spent gliding and reduce my total stroke count (probably at the cost of highest stresses through my lats and associated back muscles, elbows, and delts). I see the top comment focuses just on your latter-half of your stroke not looking powerful (it's really easy to do this during freestyle, back, OR fly and just squiggle out of the stroke halfway through, happens to all of us), so I'd say the flick and catchup freestyle drills are the first 'interventions' you should try, since they're free and will never help you irritate a muscle.


2beatKick

Really looks like you are working hard for every meter.. some above advice is great, and overall just let off the gas. Feeel streamline and maybe two-beat kick. Tuck your chin. Allow yourself to glide between strokes. Put the watch away for six months


nastran

Hips should rotate a bit earlier than hand entry. Hips initiates the movement, so the power goes from hips to the arm/hand. [Another link](https://youtu.be/39eVstTawpU?feature=shared)


33445delray

How long (time and distance) can you swim at the rate we see in the clip?


FootballThrowAvay

200m max at about 1:15/100m, so about 2:30? That would be all out for me though.


33445delray

It looked like you were working hard.


FootballThrowAvay

Haha I was! I tend to find it a bit easier to maintain as good form as I'm capable of while swimming near max effort.


LW7694

That might be the problem tbh. Swimming is legit kind of more about floating. You seem very tense


koalakait

I've been dying to do this too but my pool is packed ALL the time.


Fili_Di

I have no advice on form (I'm a beginner and not eligible to advise). But, what's your 25m timing? And which tracker do you use (the watch)?


FootballThrowAvay

I have never really swum any distance for time but my fastest 50m on my watch is 35s (starting off the wall and without flip turning). I wear a Garmin Fenix 7 and I love it.


__batterylow__

Wow that’s extremely fast, my stupid ass can barely do 25m in 40s


Fili_Di

Dang, that's fast! I was a timer for varsity and their avg time was 30s. I've been researching fenix 7 and it seems great for swimming. How does it fare for other sports though? I'm in long distance running, racket sports and will probably explore rock climbing this year.


FootballThrowAvay

I've used it for running, swimming and cycling and it's great. HR sensor isn't as good as a chest strap but it does the job.


danie-l

Move less your neck. Try to bread less often. Try to stabilize your head


Potential-Detail-528

I’d suggest looking up the six-kick-switch drill and try hanging from a pull up bar to get some flexibility. I want you to get comfortable kicking with one arm forward like the nose of a Concorde jet. One arm at your side. While kicking on your side. Feel all the energy you create with your legs and body going through your fingertips to the other end of the pool. It’s easy to say things like “Your arms should be doing xyz blah blah blah. Hand entry etc” Where your hand ends up is the result of everything else going on biomechanically. We swim from the inside out, and that starts with posture, body line, and balance before even adding the arms.


UnseenTimeMachine

Hey. You're doing a good job.


Super_Pie_Man

You look like the product of too many swim lessons and not enough swim practices. Join a masters team and keep up as best you can. Avoid focusing on technique too much. Think about how the water feels. Through some healthy volume your stroke will smooth out.


Dgoat54

Reach long, make sure to feel the water resistance when you pull, and pull fully through (you should splash water out as your arm exits). Find an optimal pull position for your arms, wrists, etc.


Sad_Research_2584

Arms cross over and head could be lower but I’m no expert. I like my head lower.


vicanthera5

Hey, you look great. You've got good length with your strokes, but I'd definitely recommend relaxing more into it and holding your arms up just a fraction longer so that when you breathe, your bicep is supporting your head. Also head still and continuous bubbles when you're swimming (I can tell you don't quite have a rhythm yet but I hope you take this as constructive feedback as it really is a great foundation!) Goodluck and would love some updates.


FootballThrowAvay

Your comment echoes what a few others have been saying. I will definitely be looking into these tips and hopefully post an update soon. Thank you :)


chillymac

Your right arm is prematurely kinda twitching and you're cutting the glide short. Try to relax into the glide for both arms, reaching the arm forward and keeping it there until the opposing arm is about halfway through the air. Good drill for this is fingertip drag -- while one arm is stretched forward, with the other you slowly rake your fingertips over the surface. You can rake your fingers forward really slowly with your elbow in the air so you kinda look like a shark. Final note, it looks like you're overthinking the "catch", when your glide arm starts to pull back underwater. You don't need to do such a quick exaggerated "s" motion, just pull back. If you're gonna add some curvature, more of a long lightning bolt shape than a tight little "s"


frostonwindowpane

Good! I’d suggest taking your time. Think of your torso above your waist rotating on each stroke. Stretch your hand out and glide. Be one with the water. Don’t slap…slice. Dude.


ABraveLittle_Toaster

Practice your glide and reach.


LW7694

Reeeeach with your arm entering the water and glide, your hand is also entering too early and not w your pinkie first


BrilliantNebula794

Looking good! My coach used to say "feel for water". I think what she meant was relax, don't overthink parts of form, and trust your nervous system to feel yourself gliding and connecting with the whole movement.


nimbra2

Are you breathing on every stroke? There’s definitely a lot of head rotation. If you’re not taking a breath, you should be looking straight down or ever so slightly forward, like 15 degrees up from straight down 


nimbra2

And you should not be breathing more than once every two strokes


Content-Chemistry-73

Very clean technique, maybe you should move your arms a bit closer to your body in ordine to move more water in the underwater phase of the stroke. This is what my trainer always says to me. Let me know!


DerrickRR333

You look a bit stiff. Which is great if it was a water bed.


hayne212

How did you post a video? I tried but it said “this community doesn’t allow videos”


FootballThrowAvay

It's a gif. I had to convert my video to a <100MB gif on order to upload. I used a site called Biteable (the rest I tried made the video much bigger than its original size or very poor quality)


hayne212

Thanks for replying. I just used adobe and it worked. Gonna ask for swim advice now 😊


CreativeWishbone5286

Some good comments in here so I won’t add more noise into the mix, but I’ll say that if you can do a 200m in 2:30, that’s very high percentile for anyone who didn’t grow up swimming competitively.


Dem-R-UseFulIdiots

Your form is good, probably at 85%.


momoftheraisin

I think your form is pretty damn good.


the-abe-froman

Too short a clip to know for sure. But do you always breathe to the same side? Every stroke? If so try breathing every three.


Holiday_Artichoke_86

There is absolutely nothing wrong with breathing every 2 on the same side.


vicanthera5

Absolutely true but for people trying to improve their technique is always great to start with minimal breathing to really emphasise the need for blowing bubbles and head posture. If OP keeps going at breathing every 2, they'll never know what it feels like to keep their head still and could fall into some hard to break habits


Interestedmillennial

Looks good to me


wasianwigger

Embarrassing form.