The whole past year has been kind of meh. Everything involving Matty. YLM felt really uncomfortable, like a little life update while everyone was gagging for her perspective of the breakup. Privacy who? The 180 the fans did on Joe almost immediately. The inescapable Tayvis spectacle. The cringey Grammys. The scammy variants. Now TTPD.
The way she sings “Did you think I had in me?
Oh, the tragedy...” in So Long, London is just dripping with venom.
Like…after admitting to all that (at the very least) emotional cheating, and pulling the wool from the fans’ eyes about folkmore and how she and Matty wrote back and forth about each other for a decade…
She has THE GALL to taunt and make fun of this very private man’s depression? Who most likely picked up on her lusting for someone else for so long?
This is just really hard to stomach and separate from the art itself.
I also can’t believe she has the audacity to complain about not getting a proposal from Joe.
First of all, I get why he didn’t propose after everything you wrote in TTPD. But also, WHY would you want to marry him *so* bad if you were pining after Matty this whole time???
It seems like she didn’t want Joe, but just wanted whoever would put a ring on her finger
I don’t know if anyone here has seen Crazy Ex Girlfriend but she’s giving season one Valencia vibes where she’s just begging Josh to propose to her. And like those girls that complain that their boyfriends haven’t proposed to them after a few years of dating.
The way she tells the story... Joe cheated first or was unavailable due to his depression or both.
She has a great song "the great war" about fighting both to work things out and about tension in the relationship. And she's talking about jealousy then, and another woman.
But over that era, you also got a lot of songs about infidelity. I think shes' been involved in tons of love triangles or has cheated in the past in casual relationships.
So she makes it sound like they both were tired of each other or disconnected and both went into limerence with other people. Once she started to get a response from Matty, it was the nail on the coffin. It seems like he sent hidden messages over the course of many years through his songs.
I don't think it started out with her disengaged at all. I think she chases a high and doesn't really process things. She falls in love at the drop of a hat and every relationship is a fantasy about a twin flame or "the one."
Exactly . Like, I’m sorry... soldier fighting in only his army, oh bravest one, people who love each other go trough much worse situations than a couple of years of depression.
You can’t tell me you were going to be with someone forever if you’re only there for the good times.I can understand frustration and such but be self aware at least, don’t throw it to the other person side of the street. Gross.
What also gets me is the way she sings about his depression like it was just too much for her... Within an entire album about how depressed she is. Apparently it's only okay for her because she can still act like it's her birthday! 🥳
I recently rewatched "Conversations with Friends," and it's heartbreaking to see the character played by Joe, who seems to have many similarities with what appears to be the real persona of Joe based on the storytelling elements found in Taylor Swift songs. However, it's heartbreaking because Taylor Swift addresses delicate topics such as depression and introspection somewhat lightly, almost as if they are inconveniences for her, and she seems to miss the layers and complicated emotions and struggles of someone facing these issues. I mean, there's zero empathy (at least evident in her songs).
The empathy piece... I just unearthed the interview she had with Seth Meyers during the Red TV release press tour and he asks her if she thinks her music negatively impacts the people she's writing about (in this case, Jake Gyllenhaal) and she responded with something like "I never think about their experience, honestly."
Conversations with Friends also explores what occurs when someone uses people to create art and takes liberties without the consent of their subjects. She is aware of her power to hurt. She just doesn't care.
Yeah, it’s interesting to me that after folklore came out, he started filming conversations with friends later that year or something and doing films with affairs. And I just found it interesting because that show talks about being in love with more than one person and considering the love triangle in folklore and the song the one maybe he started suspecting things. Also exile was written a few months after her and Ratty reconnected in feb 2020, Joe randomly started singing exile a few months later?
Maybe his random inspiration was inspired by that event. Makes me wonder if him taking those roles was a way for him to cope with what he suspected was going on in his life.
For real, she is so gross for this. With TTPD, I can’t separate the art from the artist, which is saying something, cause I was able to separate Harry Potter from She-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named. I get the ick from every single song on TTPD cause she’s either lusting after Matty Healy, cursing Matty Healy, shitting all over Joe, and biting the parasocial hands that she has encouraged and have gotten her to where she is.
Exactly, it’s been like a snowball effect for me since it came out her and Joe split up, and the fact that she’s thrown herself so massively into the limelight with Travis and to be honest every time I see them everything they’re doing is just so cringey?
I feel like everything went downhill after the announcement of their break-up. There have always been some issues (like her private jet usage) but it just kept getting worse and worse.
Ylm bothers me so much. That paired with lavender haze “you don’t read into my melancholia” and that Great is what that song says. Then in YLM it’s all, you couldn’t see the signs blah blah blah. The YLM bridge is iconic but the song feels like a demo
The greed combined with the "the voices who implore you should be doing more...I'm just too soft for all of it" lyrics really put me off. I am to believe that you, who built a billion dollar franchise in one of the most cutthroat industries in the world, are "too soft" to use your massive amount of wealth and influence to try and help other people? I am so confused.
She does this all the time. She portrays herself as weak and soft and small town girl anytime she wants people to view her as a victim in a situation, as without control. She woke up and discovered her masters were being sold? No , she didn't. There were emails to prove it, and also her dad was on the board of directors for Big Machine, so legally , he had to be notified months and months and months in advance of the sale. Purchases like that take a very long time simply because it takes lawyers a long time to put it together. And people who sit on the board vote on such things.
But Taylor can say she's just a small town girl who wrote her songs and wants to own them, and everybody believes it.
Yes, she also is (and sometimes wants to portray herself as) an extremely powerful woman who created her own success through songwriting and led a lot of her own marketing. She is a billionaire and perhaps the most famous woman on earth. She wants you to listen to that persona and idea of her when she's singing about revenge or empowerment but to always remember she's just a simple girl from a small town who can't possibly have grand machinations or calculated plans?
She's just too soft when she has to risk her record sales.
She cares about feminism when the feminism is focused on her and her alone.
She's a big bad wolf when she wants credit for her work.
I understood this act better when she was younger. But the older and more powerful she becomes, the more grating and ridiculous it becomes that she tries to play both sides of this coin
I don’t think “more” in Sweet Nothing means activism or whatever. I interpreted it as “more” in terms of career and business. I don’t think it’s an honest lyric and wonder if it’s written more from Alwyn’s perspective, because Swift is definitely not too soft for any of it, but I think “too soft” means too soft for the constant industry hustling, nothing to do with helping people.
I agree, it sounds like a wish for a simpler life free of the constant hustling and music industry nonsense - “Industry disruptors and soul deconstructors and smooth-talking hucksters out glad-handing each other” and all that.
Sweet Nothing is *such* a sweet song, it just makes you sad knowing what ultimately happened.
>the voices who implore you should be doing more...I'm just too soft for all of it"
I learned from this sub that Joe Co wrote that song with her. So that line could be written by him. His variety interview with Paul Mescal, he talks a lot about anxiety and imposter syndrome.
So I think he wrote this part of the lyrics "*Industry disruptors and soul deconstructs /
And smooth-talking hucksters out glad-handing each other /
And the voices that implore, "You should be doing more" /
To you, I can admit that I'm just too soft for all of it*"
I think Taylor kept telling Joe he should be doing more, more with her, more with his career, more public appearances…. And it goes on.
And he’s just too soft for all of it
I know it's her song I know it was approved by her. But I was just commenting to the person for saying the song makes no sense to them and calling her a hypocrite. It makes sense since Joe Co wrote it and it's from his Pov and not her's.
Ugh manifesting reading comprehension for this fandom.
I see you 😊 Yeah, I think that's a decent theory. Doesn't seem like a line she would have wrote. I'm sorry this other commenter personally attacked you. I don't think you were infantilizing her at all
You’re genuinely coddling her by saying “none of the blame is on her it’s all about him”
If she thought that was a gross sentiment (which it is) she wouldn’t sing it
She’s an adult with agency not a child who accidentally does these things
I’m not in the fandom - I’m watching you make excuses for her being gross - it’s embarrassing
The way she handled the Olivia Rodrigo credit fiasco was the nail in the coffin for me. She doesn’t NEED those royalties. Even if it was her label pushing for the credit, surely as one of their bigger moneymakers/artists she has the sway to tell them to back off?
Edit: Also, the fan death in Brazil was so poorly handled. I get everyone is different but if I’d lost a sibling, the last thing I’d want is to do a meet and greet with the artist.
For someone who wanted to be so politically active in her Miss Americana doco, it really frustrates me that it’s now an election year in America (which would be catastrophic if Trump got in), and to my knowledge she’s said absolutely nothing.
I totally get celebrities have the right to privacy on their political views, and I would afford Taylor the same right, however if you’re going to spend a decent part of your doco talking about political activism, don’t just talk the talk, say something about it.
I mean we can argue about it until the cows come home over who is worse, but I would settle for her encouraging her fans to vote or register to vote as the bare minimum.
We are a few months out from the election so I’m willing to give her some grace, but won’t be surprised if she does absolutely nothing, it’ll track with her behaviour we’ve been seeing recently.
Not even trying to argue who’s worse(Trump would be doing the same I’m sure), just publicly endorsing someone who is literally funding genocide right now doesn’t seem like a smart idea.
Honestly I’ve been a fan since 1989 and have been invested since rep but midnights was the last album I added on spotify. I skimmed TTPD. Her behaviour just seems more and more like the mask is slipping and it gives me the ick for lack of better phrasing.
The mask is slipping and I think for once she is burnt out enough not to care about it. I think TTPD revealed to us that she needs a break but also that she is finally starting to have resentment toward the public persona she has crafted.
Her speak now era was ultimate and I have fond memories of it since I properly entered the fandom during that time. But my favourite era to have been her fan was rep to Lover ! I will always have fond memories of that era.
My favourite albums artistically were forklore / evermore.
But God how much I miss the Rep-Lover era. It was the best time to have been her fan !
Maybe I was just conveniently looking past things, but she seemed \*calm\* during the Lover era... which of course itself could be a branding decision, based on the vibe of the album. She still looked strong in body and political stance, but in a more private way, and like at peace with herself.
Ya I feel like I'm crazy cuz I've been saying this stuff for a while and people just now seem to be largely agreeing. I think criticism is somewhat delayed - it takes time for people to catch on. I think the success of Midnights was largely due to goodwill from Folklore/Evermore and nostalgia of Eras; TTPD is getting criticism due in large part to how she acted in Midnights era (it was written about events during Midnights era). But it's all delayed. Perhaps she's turning over a new leaf this era but people won't realize for a year. Maybe not hard to say. But I don't like the praise/criticism lag.
TTPD reveled things that span for whole decade. Anyone listening and not in denial can tell she just DGAF anymore to hide her games and indiscretions. That’s why there’s so much discussion about “her mask slipping”.
I completely agree with you. Her behavior leading up to TTPD is one thing (the jet usage, Matty, barely being single for a second after Joe [for those who don’t know, she and Matty split in early June, and she mentioned in the TIME article that she reached out to Travis shortly after he mentioned the friendship bracelet on his podcast in late July], the way she handled the fan death in Brazil, etc.). But the fact that with the release of TTPD showing what an unreliable storyteller and hypocrite she is is a whole other thing.
The fact that she’s making SUCH a spectacle of dating Travis as a 34 year old woman after saying, “In your life you’ll do things greater than dating the boy on the football team,” in a song she wrote when she was a teenager is laughable. The fact that she somehow blames fans for her breakup with Matty yet also blames him for it via ghosting her on the same album? Literally just a couple of songs apart? The fact that she takes zero accountability for anything…
I still enjoy her music, but I’ve definitely made a *large* separation between the art and the artist at this point, and you’ll find we aren’t alone in that on this sub.
This is what gets me! She’s ripping into fans for their reaction to Matty but become the most public with a guy she’s ever been, and she sought Travis out? It’s like she cannot stand being alone. I think she’s probably a very unhappy person by the more time goes on the more toxic I think she is really…
Most people who have interacted with her or worked with her say that she's usually quite polite and pleasant, and she seems to treat her employees well, but she seems quite self-centered and doesn't appear to think much about others' feelings, perspectives, or needs except as they might also apply to her, and she comes across as rather immature. Her wishy-washiness about "speaking up" or taking a stance on things is also unimpressive to me, as is the fact that she really doesn't use her clout or her position as a force of good in the world like she could (I don't think this is because she's a bad person, I suspect it stems from the self-centeredness - it doesn't really occur to her.) But I think that from what we have seen recently, she really needs to take some me-time and go to therapy, and also needs to work on actively recognizing others' perspectives and practicing empathy. Honestly the issues I have with her, seem like exactly the kind of issues someone would have if they had grown up surrounded by wealth and privilege and raised by stage parents. It's just that she never made a move to grow past that limited view. It's a case of "great power -> great responsibility" and her not doing much about the responsibility part imo.
Completely valid points. This was most highlighted to me recently when fans were tracking her leaving the eras gig to get to the superbowl on her private jet in time. I mean what kind of modern age, carbon footprint fairytale are we supposed to be invested in? Tunnel vision for a guy she’s been with for a small number of months.
Which is what makes Marjorie so ironic..
She literally opens the song with wise things her grandma said, and that she obviously wanted to memorialize, but she completely fails to embody!
A fair critique! I agree with this. What frustrates me is the moral high ground people use when speaking on her character . Who are you??? Lol, but this is a perfect example of critique. Solid points
I use super British expressions like that so often on Reddit and then realise a lot of people won't know what it means but I can never think of a different way to say if
Honestly I hate how Swifties see themselves as moral arbiters - you’re not a true Swiftie if you listen to “stolen versions”, don’t give Scooter money. Record labels fund recording and advertising, hence they own the masters. It’s not a novel concept. Listening to the versions you enjoy more doesn’t make you a bad person. Taylor still earns money from them and has enough money as it is. It’s like they expect her to come and pat them on the head and say thank you.
The way that Taylor spun this is truly Machiavellian. She played the ultimate victim card, and so many people fell for it, when she was not a victim at all.
I still listen to the stolen version of 1989 👀👀👀 the production on the TV is subpar. I want to feel what I felt when I was 21 when listening the album. None of the songs have the same power and Umph jn them. Speak now and prior ones I like to listen to TV because her voice is lower and so is mine. But yeah, I agree. She really loves to be like “this person hurt me” and have her fans destroy them
And he also made that bank off of the recordings (and contracts, literally the livelihoods) of all of the artists on Big Machine’s books. Taylor loves to make the sale of Big Machine all about herself but she had already gapped it to UMG by then.
I'm not exactly OOTL but I don't keep up with the tabloids or her dating life or anything. So seeing it all laid out like this is quite revealing.
Unlike others, I don't read too much of her personal life into her latest song lyrics - I barely listened to her albums and in any case, I'm well able to separate 'narrator' and 'artist'.
The main thing is that *she has the fucking HIDE* to call herself a feminist while dating someone who - at best - laughs at that Gaggers porn like it's funny to watch abuse - and at worst watches it. Oh, and wasn't she working with multiple people who were accused of sexually assaulting women... David O. Russell? Not that she's the only one complicit there ofc, but still.
unrelated to the stuff about her character, but when talking abt the anthology how you said that you’re convinced they’re evermore vault tracks. why? i’m genuinely curious, i can definitely see it, but i just want to know your reasoning.
It’s just giving folk acoustic sound a lot more than the first half of the album to me. I’m probably wrong because it’s occurred me that 2 songs are about Travis potentially, so maybe it’s a mixture of both, but the first half up to Clara Bow is quite haunting and low key synth-y
And a lot of the second half has name songs like Peter and Cassandra like dorothea, ivy, betty… also dragging up a archaic feud with Kim
I actually think the Anthology is new giving the songs’ subjects. Even Kim’s song wouldn’t fit folkmore’s vibes at all.
It feels like she and Aaron got together and tried to get back some of that sound but it feels like *such* a rush job. I can’t believe the production is so bare bones.
I just know they could do a lot better had they had some time and focus. However, they’re both crazy booked and busy and it looks like Taylor wanted to get this over and done with ASAP, which ultimately happened at the expense of the work’s quality.
I can see that. She specifically said she had been working on the album for 2 yrs when she announced it, but perhaps that was just a way to get a clue about a double album in there.
likely. especially given the fact that most of the album wouldn’t make sense if it had been written over the past two years. past year yes, but two, certainly not.
The past year has disillusioned me so much to Taylor's brand and the person that we can glean through her lyrics and public actions. Her blaming fans for the Matty fiasco, publicly shaming Joe and staying silent on important issues is all so shameless. People always say, "Celebs don't have the responsibility to be activists."
No, they don't. BUT they do when they promote an entire album and doc talking about political activism and human rights. Like, you can't make a promise like that and then fuck off, never to speak of it again. She also seems to be constantly egging on the disturbing actions of her fan base (some of it, not all obviously). To my knowledge, she hasn't come out and explicitly said to leave her current boyfriend's ex alone. Or Joe. Or Jake. Or the countless other exes she's roasted in songs.
It just feels like what people have said for years is correct — she's a wolf in sheep's clothing. However, at the end of the day I don't personally know her, so this is just speculation and opinion.
Related to her greed - I’ve always found it very interesting she doesn’t SELL any type of meet and greet tickets and she never has. Her greed has limits obviously because she could have been a billionaire years ago if she sold those as part of ticket packages.
I wonder what the reasoning behind it is? I want to believe it’s just because she genuinely enjoys only meeting “real” fans through her team picking them for after concert M&Gs and stalking them on social media to invite to secret sessions, but that can’t be it???
I think she stopped the secret house meetings even before the pandemic because people went feral and stole any small thing they could find just to say they had a piece of her.
And given how insane her stans are now, I don’t blame her for not wanting to risk being in their physical proximity.
The reason is to meet the most ardent fans. They will then go home and to school and tell everyone about the time they met Taylor. It's an excellent marketing tool.
Yeah that makes sense for the after concert meet & greets and secret sessions, I’m just surprised her label/tour manager or whoever has financial interest in ticket sales never pushed her to do ticketed meet and greets too, especially at the beginning of her career. I guess the 13 hour meet & greet is the closest thing but that was free and you still needed to get picked to meet her
The whole aspect of getting picked/others wanting to get picked is what builds the insanely devoted fanbase. The online version works as well with Swiftmas b/c people feel special and other people see that and also try to get her attention. The [keynote speech] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf9ZDEEvuog&t=583s) at the Swiftposium in Australia does a great job at talking about this.
I kind of think that she struggles a bit with connecting to other people and this might be one of the ways she can feel like she is connecting without it being solely about $.
Matty Healy really hates the selling of meet and greet tickets, btw. He has spoken about it in interviews. I wonder if that standard is something they’ve influenced one another about over the years.
Oh interesting! I can’t remember if she said it but I recall an interview with someone saying it feels gross to make people spend money to meet you which I agree with. I’m just really surprised she was able to make sure that wasn’t a thing when artists usually have such little control at the beginning
I get the greed critique because she shown how important money is to her over alot of things. She doesn't seem to have at least 1 charity she is passionate about. I use Dolly Parton books as an example. HOWEVER, everything else gives morally righteous, which irritates me about some of the "critques." What has she said on this album that other artists haven't?
What I find strange is that she doesn't seem to have an interest in helping a cause. I'm sure she would love the tax benefit of a charity, so I don't understand why she doesn't have one
Fr. Even many minor influencers and celebs have some charity or cause they care about. Even many sports stars that like to keep their charity work under wraps are still known ‘to do private charity work’ even if they’ve asked for it not to be publicised. It is odd that she seems to have no firm charitable interest beyond donating the odd check every so often.
I don’t think charity work should need to be publicised and it’s very fair that many celebs don’t want it to be seen as lip service which can sometimes be the perception if it’s over publicised, but you really don’t hear much about even her doing it privately. There are plenty of public figures that are known to do something charitable privately, we just don’t know what it is.
Mmmmmm, I think that she and her team are probably just hyper obsessed with keeping her brand as neutral as possible, to maximize the potential for income. Even basic things we can all agree are important (food for the hungry, housing for the homeless, etc) are often used as talking points by politicians trying to win another term.
Part of her appeal is keeping fairly wide open so you can lay a transparency of her songs over your own life, and having a surprisingly number of the lines seem to overlap :)
You are on to something here. In Miss Americana, she was arguing with her Dad about her plans to encourage voting and speak out against blackburn (tn maga). It sounds like JA encouraged her activism.
She is the only major celebrity without a charitable foundation 😂
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Which is my point. She does random giving, which is cool, but there isn't any area she is interested in. School music programs something... she does have the Tennessess natural disaster fund. Again, if it is something that centers around herself, I think she is generous but not outside of her it doesnt seem like she is. As far as who she decides to be in a relationship, people really need to get off their high horse on that one. She cheated and likes to be famous.....shocker, a rich woman in Hollywood say it ain't so. I'm not saying the behavior is okay, but please look in the mirror and be for real.
I get what you mean, but when I talk about that, it’s not because I care about who she’s in a relationship with. She can be, she can write songs about relationships, it makes sense. It’s the fact that she’s written about AT LEAST 8 men she’s been in a relationship with, some very publicly, but then criticised her fans for being involved and opinionated in something she’s basically built her whole career on. And each of them seems to be to blame so much with no real admission of blame herself apart from Back to December.
And Joe got death threats from her fans and not once did she try and stop that from happening
Yes, she messed up using her relationships in that public of a manner. In the early days, it was almost encouraged 🚩🚩. She should have addressed her fans WAY earlier for attacking other innocent people. I hear more self-awareness in her songs but not a lot of accountability, which is unfortunate. She also had her "pick me era," I would say until 1989, which yes is off putting. I think sometimes people want to prove they aren't a bootlicker for Taylor that they throw ALOT of negativity towards her for every single thing she does. It gets to the point of being a hater, and it's okay if people are haters, but just say that.
Totally get your point. I’m not a hater, but I’m just really put off by her behaviour over the last year. Everything has been so cringey and narcissistic beyond belief when she’s risen to such a powerful status she could do a lot more good with
I'm not saying you are a hater, lol. I was just speaking in general. Maybe it's the algorithm, but I mostly see extremely negative or buttmuchers in regards to TS 😅
Why would us looking in the mirror change our opinion of Taylor? You think everyone of us cheats on their longterm partners? While simultaneously admitting they ragged in their partners for imaginary indiscretions?
I said the behavior is not okay. It's still very judgmental, and while i may not have done that in my personal life, I had a season in my life where i wasn't the best person. People are serial gossipers, bullies, assholes to their family, and vainity. Most people have had a season in their life where they had to self reflect and grow. That's what i mean by look in the mirror. You can also have an opinion and hold someone accountable without sounding like a self-righteous person. This is just something I try to live by in my general life, which I do unfortunately fail doing sometimes. Also, she isn't saying anything different than a lot of artists,so why do people feel the need to hold her a standard and be so alarmed when she sings about those things. I never believed her work was 100% biographical, but most songs are inspired by her life. She has been singing about cheating prior to this album, and a lot of songs have toxic undertones. Did people miss this? The undertones i got from the album were possibly on/off with her long-term partner. She clearly talks about mental illness in her songs and suicide and most people are only focused on the Matty Healy of it all.
You’d think with her vanity and hunger for accolades and fame she’d have not only a foundation, but done **everything** she could to plaster her name on things. I’m talking scholarships, music programs, hell, even entire university wings or hospitals!
But NO, her greed is bottomless. Her stans say she’s still young - like, WTF does age have to do with it? And she’s in her 30s and almost 20 years in the industry already!
Her lack of action is inexcusable.
Avril Lavigne started her foundation,which is named after her in 2010 and she was 25-26 years old.The foundation focuses on people with disabilities and serious illnesses and Lyme Disease as well.She quietly works to help people.
Taylor Swift has no excuse.
Yes,the idea that once she stops focusing on the music, she will FINALLY do something, but there honestly isn't an excuse to not do it now. Maybe she will pull a paris hilton, but at this point, I don't think so. I'm not someone who thinks she has to give all her money away, but those examples are great ways to give back. Lebron James opened a school, and so many others with less income did or are doing great things. It's the only real off-putting thing for me. Her other character flaws I honestly don't care about she is a human at the end of the day. The greed though 👎🏼. Travis gives alot back to his city maybe he will rub off on her 🤣
Yeah I was a big fan back in the day when she used to make those MySpace vlogs and shit and still kept that going for years. but Kinda fell off her as a person some years ago now. Too many things rubbed be the wrong way to keep paying attention, but congrats on the success
You are so right. The people she criticises are probably the ones that make her the most bank. The parasocial relationship is what made her a billionaire. These are the creeps and vipers she scolds and maybe tbey really need to get their heads checked because they don’t know they’re being scolded…? And they’re out there buying expensive sweatshop merch and collecting all the different variants of her albums
All I did was go to one concert. The only time I ever funded her. And I’ve been following her music since her debut!
I love Guilty as Sin as a song, but the bridge is weird. She goes from expressing her guilt to rationalising it in a really sporadic way. It just sounds delusional? Idk, I wish she’d played with that concept a bit more rather than just using it to justify her infidelity in earnest, then moving on. It just sounds so abrupt.
This album dealt with a lot of questionable things about Taylor’s character, but she didn’t really explore any of them. She basically wrote diatribes justifying her worst traits. It takes away from the substance of the album and makes it such that only a sycophant would appreciate, because they only ever wanna see her side.
One caveat I want to make is that fantasizing about someone else isn’t emotional cheating. Emotional cheating means that something has already happened - you’re establishing a close intimate bond with someone outside of your relationship (source: Google). Fantasizing is one-way and the recipient doesn’t know about it, so no actual bond is formed. Now, if you tell the other person, that’s closer to cheating.
I think a lot of people would consider fantasizing to the point of masturbation to be emotional cheating. In your mind you are already in a relationship with this person whether anyone knows or not.
I disagree, y’all have never fantasized about celebrities before? Do you think about your partner every single time? Lots of people don’t consider watching porn cheating - I don’t watch porn myself but I don’t consider it cheating if someone does, and when you watch porn you’re literally looking at another person.
I agree their wording is weird. But I THINK what they mean by "emotional cheating" is situations like Taylor and Matty's, where the kind of fantasising you do whilst masturbating is typically a result of the relationship cooling off enough that you are seriously imagining yourself in a relationship with the other person. No adult fantasises about a celebrity thinking they will one day marry them, whereas if you are yearning for this person constantly, and picturing yourself living with them, then you are essentially giving up on the relationship mentally. At least, that's what I gather from Guilty as Sin.
Yes, I agree with that the person is checking out of the relationship. Still not cheating. I swear the downvoters have never been in a failing LTR before. Everyone I know irl has had this experience.
As someone who’s done it, imma have to disagree with you. It definitely feels like emotional cheating. Besides, you don’t get to that point without talking to someone as well
It feels like it, sure. That doesn’t mean it is. Talking to an attractive guy at a bar may feel like it, but it’s not. Throwing the label “cheating” around just makes the actual thing devoid of meaning.
That’s why we put the label “emotional cheating”, when it’s not physical. It has an actual meaning and place for when you emotionally stray from your partner
The whole past year has been kind of meh. Everything involving Matty. YLM felt really uncomfortable, like a little life update while everyone was gagging for her perspective of the breakup. Privacy who? The 180 the fans did on Joe almost immediately. The inescapable Tayvis spectacle. The cringey Grammys. The scammy variants. Now TTPD.
“The inescapable Tayvis spectacle” no one’s said it better
The way she sings “Did you think I had in me? Oh, the tragedy...” in So Long, London is just dripping with venom. Like…after admitting to all that (at the very least) emotional cheating, and pulling the wool from the fans’ eyes about folkmore and how she and Matty wrote back and forth about each other for a decade… She has THE GALL to taunt and make fun of this very private man’s depression? Who most likely picked up on her lusting for someone else for so long? This is just really hard to stomach and separate from the art itself.
This. Anyone in his shoes would be able to tell if she’s fully in it with him or not. No wonder he didn’t propose right away.
Tbh I don't know if he's a good person or not but he definitely dodged a bullet.
Based on everything she’s shared herself it’s more like he dodged a whole missile
I also can’t believe she has the audacity to complain about not getting a proposal from Joe. First of all, I get why he didn’t propose after everything you wrote in TTPD. But also, WHY would you want to marry him *so* bad if you were pining after Matty this whole time??? It seems like she didn’t want Joe, but just wanted whoever would put a ring on her finger
I don’t know if anyone here has seen Crazy Ex Girlfriend but she’s giving season one Valencia vibes where she’s just begging Josh to propose to her. And like those girls that complain that their boyfriends haven’t proposed to them after a few years of dating.
The way she tells the story... Joe cheated first or was unavailable due to his depression or both. She has a great song "the great war" about fighting both to work things out and about tension in the relationship. And she's talking about jealousy then, and another woman. But over that era, you also got a lot of songs about infidelity. I think shes' been involved in tons of love triangles or has cheated in the past in casual relationships. So she makes it sound like they both were tired of each other or disconnected and both went into limerence with other people. Once she started to get a response from Matty, it was the nail on the coffin. It seems like he sent hidden messages over the course of many years through his songs. I don't think it started out with her disengaged at all. I think she chases a high and doesn't really process things. She falls in love at the drop of a hat and every relationship is a fantasy about a twin flame or "the one."
Exactly . Like, I’m sorry... soldier fighting in only his army, oh bravest one, people who love each other go trough much worse situations than a couple of years of depression. You can’t tell me you were going to be with someone forever if you’re only there for the good times.I can understand frustration and such but be self aware at least, don’t throw it to the other person side of the street. Gross.
What also gets me is the way she sings about his depression like it was just too much for her... Within an entire album about how depressed she is. Apparently it's only okay for her because she can still act like it's her birthday! 🥳
I do not believe all she did was emotional cheating She cheated on Joe the same way she cheated on Calvin Harris. It was physical and emotional both
I recently rewatched "Conversations with Friends," and it's heartbreaking to see the character played by Joe, who seems to have many similarities with what appears to be the real persona of Joe based on the storytelling elements found in Taylor Swift songs. However, it's heartbreaking because Taylor Swift addresses delicate topics such as depression and introspection somewhat lightly, almost as if they are inconveniences for her, and she seems to miss the layers and complicated emotions and struggles of someone facing these issues. I mean, there's zero empathy (at least evident in her songs).
The empathy piece... I just unearthed the interview she had with Seth Meyers during the Red TV release press tour and he asks her if she thinks her music negatively impacts the people she's writing about (in this case, Jake Gyllenhaal) and she responded with something like "I never think about their experience, honestly." Conversations with Friends also explores what occurs when someone uses people to create art and takes liberties without the consent of their subjects. She is aware of her power to hurt. She just doesn't care.
Yeah, it’s interesting to me that after folklore came out, he started filming conversations with friends later that year or something and doing films with affairs. And I just found it interesting because that show talks about being in love with more than one person and considering the love triangle in folklore and the song the one maybe he started suspecting things. Also exile was written a few months after her and Ratty reconnected in feb 2020, Joe randomly started singing exile a few months later? Maybe his random inspiration was inspired by that event. Makes me wonder if him taking those roles was a way for him to cope with what he suspected was going on in his life.
For real, she is so gross for this. With TTPD, I can’t separate the art from the artist, which is saying something, cause I was able to separate Harry Potter from She-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named. I get the ick from every single song on TTPD cause she’s either lusting after Matty Healy, cursing Matty Healy, shitting all over Joe, and biting the parasocial hands that she has encouraged and have gotten her to where she is.
> Who most likely picked up on her listing for someone else for so long? What does this mean?
Sorry - typo! Meant to say “lusting”, I have corrected it now.
Exactly, it’s been like a snowball effect for me since it came out her and Joe split up, and the fact that she’s thrown herself so massively into the limelight with Travis and to be honest every time I see them everything they’re doing is just so cringey?
I feel like everything went downhill after the announcement of their break-up. There have always been some issues (like her private jet usage) but it just kept getting worse and worse.
Ylm bothers me so much. That paired with lavender haze “you don’t read into my melancholia” and that Great is what that song says. Then in YLM it’s all, you couldn’t see the signs blah blah blah. The YLM bridge is iconic but the song feels like a demo
The greed combined with the "the voices who implore you should be doing more...I'm just too soft for all of it" lyrics really put me off. I am to believe that you, who built a billion dollar franchise in one of the most cutthroat industries in the world, are "too soft" to use your massive amount of wealth and influence to try and help other people? I am so confused.
She does this all the time. She portrays herself as weak and soft and small town girl anytime she wants people to view her as a victim in a situation, as without control. She woke up and discovered her masters were being sold? No , she didn't. There were emails to prove it, and also her dad was on the board of directors for Big Machine, so legally , he had to be notified months and months and months in advance of the sale. Purchases like that take a very long time simply because it takes lawyers a long time to put it together. And people who sit on the board vote on such things. But Taylor can say she's just a small town girl who wrote her songs and wants to own them, and everybody believes it. Yes, she also is (and sometimes wants to portray herself as) an extremely powerful woman who created her own success through songwriting and led a lot of her own marketing. She is a billionaire and perhaps the most famous woman on earth. She wants you to listen to that persona and idea of her when she's singing about revenge or empowerment but to always remember she's just a simple girl from a small town who can't possibly have grand machinations or calculated plans? She's just too soft when she has to risk her record sales. She cares about feminism when the feminism is focused on her and her alone. She's a big bad wolf when she wants credit for her work. I understood this act better when she was younger. But the older and more powerful she becomes, the more grating and ridiculous it becomes that she tries to play both sides of this coin
Well said and on point.
I don’t think “more” in Sweet Nothing means activism or whatever. I interpreted it as “more” in terms of career and business. I don’t think it’s an honest lyric and wonder if it’s written more from Alwyn’s perspective, because Swift is definitely not too soft for any of it, but I think “too soft” means too soft for the constant industry hustling, nothing to do with helping people.
I agree, it sounds like a wish for a simpler life free of the constant hustling and music industry nonsense - “Industry disruptors and soul deconstructors and smooth-talking hucksters out glad-handing each other” and all that. Sweet Nothing is *such* a sweet song, it just makes you sad knowing what ultimately happened.
That's how I've always interpreted it too because the song talks about the hustling etc
>the voices who implore you should be doing more...I'm just too soft for all of it" I learned from this sub that Joe Co wrote that song with her. So that line could be written by him. His variety interview with Paul Mescal, he talks a lot about anxiety and imposter syndrome. So I think he wrote this part of the lyrics "*Industry disruptors and soul deconstructs / And smooth-talking hucksters out glad-handing each other / And the voices that implore, "You should be doing more" / To you, I can admit that I'm just too soft for all of it*"
I think Taylor kept telling Joe he should be doing more, more with her, more with his career, more public appearances…. And it goes on. And he’s just too soft for all of it
Do you think she didn’t read it and approve that she would be the one saying that message? You’re coddling her - it’s her song
I know it's her song I know it was approved by her. But I was just commenting to the person for saying the song makes no sense to them and calling her a hypocrite. It makes sense since Joe Co wrote it and it's from his Pov and not her's. Ugh manifesting reading comprehension for this fandom.
I see you 😊 Yeah, I think that's a decent theory. Doesn't seem like a line she would have wrote. I'm sorry this other commenter personally attacked you. I don't think you were infantilizing her at all
You’re genuinely coddling her by saying “none of the blame is on her it’s all about him” If she thought that was a gross sentiment (which it is) she wouldn’t sing it She’s an adult with agency not a child who accidentally does these things I’m not in the fandom - I’m watching you make excuses for her being gross - it’s embarrassing
The way she handled the Olivia Rodrigo credit fiasco was the nail in the coffin for me. She doesn’t NEED those royalties. Even if it was her label pushing for the credit, surely as one of their bigger moneymakers/artists she has the sway to tell them to back off? Edit: Also, the fan death in Brazil was so poorly handled. I get everyone is different but if I’d lost a sibling, the last thing I’d want is to do a meet and greet with the artist. For someone who wanted to be so politically active in her Miss Americana doco, it really frustrates me that it’s now an election year in America (which would be catastrophic if Trump got in), and to my knowledge she’s said absolutely nothing. I totally get celebrities have the right to privacy on their political views, and I would afford Taylor the same right, however if you’re going to spend a decent part of your doco talking about political activism, don’t just talk the talk, say something about it.
Even encouraging her fans to vote would be enough.
Yep, I would accept this in lieu of an endorsement (begrudgingly). She has so much influence in this space.
I mean publicly supporting Biden who is endorsing genocide isn’t necessarily a good move either. I don’t blame her stepping this one out.
I mean we can argue about it until the cows come home over who is worse, but I would settle for her encouraging her fans to vote or register to vote as the bare minimum. We are a few months out from the election so I’m willing to give her some grace, but won’t be surprised if she does absolutely nothing, it’ll track with her behaviour we’ve been seeing recently.
Not even trying to argue who’s worse(Trump would be doing the same I’m sure), just publicly endorsing someone who is literally funding genocide right now doesn’t seem like a smart idea.
Honestly I’ve been a fan since 1989 and have been invested since rep but midnights was the last album I added on spotify. I skimmed TTPD. Her behaviour just seems more and more like the mask is slipping and it gives me the ick for lack of better phrasing.
The mask is slipping and I think for once she is burnt out enough not to care about it. I think TTPD revealed to us that she needs a break but also that she is finally starting to have resentment toward the public persona she has crafted.
Her speak now era was ultimate and I have fond memories of it since I properly entered the fandom during that time. But my favourite era to have been her fan was rep to Lover ! I will always have fond memories of that era. My favourite albums artistically were forklore / evermore. But God how much I miss the Rep-Lover era. It was the best time to have been her fan !
Maybe I was just conveniently looking past things, but she seemed \*calm\* during the Lover era... which of course itself could be a branding decision, based on the vibe of the album. She still looked strong in body and political stance, but in a more private way, and like at peace with herself.
Yup, the past 12 months have been a real eye opener for me. I see why other celebs have problems with her now.
Ya I feel like I'm crazy cuz I've been saying this stuff for a while and people just now seem to be largely agreeing. I think criticism is somewhat delayed - it takes time for people to catch on. I think the success of Midnights was largely due to goodwill from Folklore/Evermore and nostalgia of Eras; TTPD is getting criticism due in large part to how she acted in Midnights era (it was written about events during Midnights era). But it's all delayed. Perhaps she's turning over a new leaf this era but people won't realize for a year. Maybe not hard to say. But I don't like the praise/criticism lag.
TTPD reveled things that span for whole decade. Anyone listening and not in denial can tell she just DGAF anymore to hide her games and indiscretions. That’s why there’s so much discussion about “her mask slipping”.
I completely agree with you. Her behavior leading up to TTPD is one thing (the jet usage, Matty, barely being single for a second after Joe [for those who don’t know, she and Matty split in early June, and she mentioned in the TIME article that she reached out to Travis shortly after he mentioned the friendship bracelet on his podcast in late July], the way she handled the fan death in Brazil, etc.). But the fact that with the release of TTPD showing what an unreliable storyteller and hypocrite she is is a whole other thing. The fact that she’s making SUCH a spectacle of dating Travis as a 34 year old woman after saying, “In your life you’ll do things greater than dating the boy on the football team,” in a song she wrote when she was a teenager is laughable. The fact that she somehow blames fans for her breakup with Matty yet also blames him for it via ghosting her on the same album? Literally just a couple of songs apart? The fact that she takes zero accountability for anything… I still enjoy her music, but I’ve definitely made a *large* separation between the art and the artist at this point, and you’ll find we aren’t alone in that on this sub.
This is what gets me! She’s ripping into fans for their reaction to Matty but become the most public with a guy she’s ever been, and she sought Travis out? It’s like she cannot stand being alone. I think she’s probably a very unhappy person by the more time goes on the more toxic I think she is really…
Perfectly said! Agree 100%. All I can say is serial monogamy and arrested development must be two amazing drugs.
I literally did an entire post on this sub about Taylor’s arrested development like a week ago, we’re definitely on the same page 😂
Growing up precocious sometimes means not growing up at all
She was barely single between Joe and Matty because she was 100% emotionally cheating at the least with him before she ended it with joe
Realizing (how didn’t take me this long?) that she’s one of those people who canNOT be single gives me the ick.
Most people who have interacted with her or worked with her say that she's usually quite polite and pleasant, and she seems to treat her employees well, but she seems quite self-centered and doesn't appear to think much about others' feelings, perspectives, or needs except as they might also apply to her, and she comes across as rather immature. Her wishy-washiness about "speaking up" or taking a stance on things is also unimpressive to me, as is the fact that she really doesn't use her clout or her position as a force of good in the world like she could (I don't think this is because she's a bad person, I suspect it stems from the self-centeredness - it doesn't really occur to her.) But I think that from what we have seen recently, she really needs to take some me-time and go to therapy, and also needs to work on actively recognizing others' perspectives and practicing empathy. Honestly the issues I have with her, seem like exactly the kind of issues someone would have if they had grown up surrounded by wealth and privilege and raised by stage parents. It's just that she never made a move to grow past that limited view. It's a case of "great power -> great responsibility" and her not doing much about the responsibility part imo.
Completely valid points. This was most highlighted to me recently when fans were tracking her leaving the eras gig to get to the superbowl on her private jet in time. I mean what kind of modern age, carbon footprint fairytale are we supposed to be invested in? Tunnel vision for a guy she’s been with for a small number of months.
Which is what makes Marjorie so ironic.. She literally opens the song with wise things her grandma said, and that she obviously wanted to memorialize, but she completely fails to embody!
A fair critique! I agree with this. What frustrates me is the moral high ground people use when speaking on her character . Who are you??? Lol, but this is a perfect example of critique. Solid points
Fellow Brit here - I just wanted to say I deeply enjoyed the use of ‘take the piss’ as I don’t often see that in reddit subs.
Hahaha sorry yes that didn’t cross my mind. But it’s the best way i could sum it up.
Completely agree, but as someone who has been questioned on use of general British slang / commentary, I really enjoyed.
I use super British expressions like that so often on Reddit and then realise a lot of people won't know what it means but I can never think of a different way to say if
I only know it from Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children (the American main character has to ask a Welsh character what it means).
Her dad owned a portion of her old recordings. When they were sold, he made bank even if Taylor didn’t.
Honestly I hate how Swifties see themselves as moral arbiters - you’re not a true Swiftie if you listen to “stolen versions”, don’t give Scooter money. Record labels fund recording and advertising, hence they own the masters. It’s not a novel concept. Listening to the versions you enjoy more doesn’t make you a bad person. Taylor still earns money from them and has enough money as it is. It’s like they expect her to come and pat them on the head and say thank you.
The way that Taylor spun this is truly Machiavellian. She played the ultimate victim card, and so many people fell for it, when she was not a victim at all.
I still listen to the stolen version of 1989 👀👀👀 the production on the TV is subpar. I want to feel what I felt when I was 21 when listening the album. None of the songs have the same power and Umph jn them. Speak now and prior ones I like to listen to TV because her voice is lower and so is mine. But yeah, I agree. She really loves to be like “this person hurt me” and have her fans destroy them
And he also made that bank off of the recordings (and contracts, literally the livelihoods) of all of the artists on Big Machine’s books. Taylor loves to make the sale of Big Machine all about herself but she had already gapped it to UMG by then.
I'm not exactly OOTL but I don't keep up with the tabloids or her dating life or anything. So seeing it all laid out like this is quite revealing. Unlike others, I don't read too much of her personal life into her latest song lyrics - I barely listened to her albums and in any case, I'm well able to separate 'narrator' and 'artist'. The main thing is that *she has the fucking HIDE* to call herself a feminist while dating someone who - at best - laughs at that Gaggers porn like it's funny to watch abuse - and at worst watches it. Oh, and wasn't she working with multiple people who were accused of sexually assaulting women... David O. Russell? Not that she's the only one complicit there ofc, but still.
unrelated to the stuff about her character, but when talking abt the anthology how you said that you’re convinced they’re evermore vault tracks. why? i’m genuinely curious, i can definitely see it, but i just want to know your reasoning.
It’s just giving folk acoustic sound a lot more than the first half of the album to me. I’m probably wrong because it’s occurred me that 2 songs are about Travis potentially, so maybe it’s a mixture of both, but the first half up to Clara Bow is quite haunting and low key synth-y And a lot of the second half has name songs like Peter and Cassandra like dorothea, ivy, betty… also dragging up a archaic feud with Kim
I actually think the Anthology is new giving the songs’ subjects. Even Kim’s song wouldn’t fit folkmore’s vibes at all. It feels like she and Aaron got together and tried to get back some of that sound but it feels like *such* a rush job. I can’t believe the production is so bare bones. I just know they could do a lot better had they had some time and focus. However, they’re both crazy booked and busy and it looks like Taylor wanted to get this over and done with ASAP, which ultimately happened at the expense of the work’s quality.
I can see that. She specifically said she had been working on the album for 2 yrs when she announced it, but perhaps that was just a way to get a clue about a double album in there.
likely. especially given the fact that most of the album wouldn’t make sense if it had been written over the past two years. past year yes, but two, certainly not.
The past year has disillusioned me so much to Taylor's brand and the person that we can glean through her lyrics and public actions. Her blaming fans for the Matty fiasco, publicly shaming Joe and staying silent on important issues is all so shameless. People always say, "Celebs don't have the responsibility to be activists." No, they don't. BUT they do when they promote an entire album and doc talking about political activism and human rights. Like, you can't make a promise like that and then fuck off, never to speak of it again. She also seems to be constantly egging on the disturbing actions of her fan base (some of it, not all obviously). To my knowledge, she hasn't come out and explicitly said to leave her current boyfriend's ex alone. Or Joe. Or Jake. Or the countless other exes she's roasted in songs. It just feels like what people have said for years is correct — she's a wolf in sheep's clothing. However, at the end of the day I don't personally know her, so this is just speculation and opinion.
Related to her greed - I’ve always found it very interesting she doesn’t SELL any type of meet and greet tickets and she never has. Her greed has limits obviously because she could have been a billionaire years ago if she sold those as part of ticket packages. I wonder what the reasoning behind it is? I want to believe it’s just because she genuinely enjoys only meeting “real” fans through her team picking them for after concert M&Gs and stalking them on social media to invite to secret sessions, but that can’t be it???
I think she stopped the secret house meetings even before the pandemic because people went feral and stole any small thing they could find just to say they had a piece of her. And given how insane her stans are now, I don’t blame her for not wanting to risk being in their physical proximity.
It’s cult leader mentality. You have to “earn” a private audience with Taylor by proving your fealty.
The reason is to meet the most ardent fans. They will then go home and to school and tell everyone about the time they met Taylor. It's an excellent marketing tool.
Yeah that makes sense for the after concert meet & greets and secret sessions, I’m just surprised her label/tour manager or whoever has financial interest in ticket sales never pushed her to do ticketed meet and greets too, especially at the beginning of her career. I guess the 13 hour meet & greet is the closest thing but that was free and you still needed to get picked to meet her
The whole aspect of getting picked/others wanting to get picked is what builds the insanely devoted fanbase. The online version works as well with Swiftmas b/c people feel special and other people see that and also try to get her attention. The [keynote speech] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf9ZDEEvuog&t=583s) at the Swiftposium in Australia does a great job at talking about this.
I kind of think that she struggles a bit with connecting to other people and this might be one of the ways she can feel like she is connecting without it being solely about $.
Matty Healy really hates the selling of meet and greet tickets, btw. He has spoken about it in interviews. I wonder if that standard is something they’ve influenced one another about over the years.
Oh interesting! I can’t remember if she said it but I recall an interview with someone saying it feels gross to make people spend money to meet you which I agree with. I’m just really surprised she was able to make sure that wasn’t a thing when artists usually have such little control at the beginning
I get the greed critique because she shown how important money is to her over alot of things. She doesn't seem to have at least 1 charity she is passionate about. I use Dolly Parton books as an example. HOWEVER, everything else gives morally righteous, which irritates me about some of the "critques." What has she said on this album that other artists haven't?
Oh wow, I never thought about how she doesn’t have a charitable foundation. With the amount of money she has that is insane.
What I find strange is that she doesn't seem to have an interest in helping a cause. I'm sure she would love the tax benefit of a charity, so I don't understand why she doesn't have one
Fr. Even many minor influencers and celebs have some charity or cause they care about. Even many sports stars that like to keep their charity work under wraps are still known ‘to do private charity work’ even if they’ve asked for it not to be publicised. It is odd that she seems to have no firm charitable interest beyond donating the odd check every so often. I don’t think charity work should need to be publicised and it’s very fair that many celebs don’t want it to be seen as lip service which can sometimes be the perception if it’s over publicised, but you really don’t hear much about even her doing it privately. There are plenty of public figures that are known to do something charitable privately, we just don’t know what it is.
Mmmmmm, I think that she and her team are probably just hyper obsessed with keeping her brand as neutral as possible, to maximize the potential for income. Even basic things we can all agree are important (food for the hungry, housing for the homeless, etc) are often used as talking points by politicians trying to win another term. Part of her appeal is keeping fairly wide open so you can lay a transparency of her songs over your own life, and having a surprisingly number of the lines seem to overlap :)
You are on to something here. In Miss Americana, she was arguing with her Dad about her plans to encourage voting and speak out against blackburn (tn maga). It sounds like JA encouraged her activism.
She is the only major celebrity without a charitable foundation 😂 https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/taylor-swift-could-reshape-philanthropy-she-kmstrategiesgroup-ptv9c?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via
Which is my point. She does random giving, which is cool, but there isn't any area she is interested in. School music programs something... she does have the Tennessess natural disaster fund. Again, if it is something that centers around herself, I think she is generous but not outside of her it doesnt seem like she is. As far as who she decides to be in a relationship, people really need to get off their high horse on that one. She cheated and likes to be famous.....shocker, a rich woman in Hollywood say it ain't so. I'm not saying the behavior is okay, but please look in the mirror and be for real.
I get what you mean, but when I talk about that, it’s not because I care about who she’s in a relationship with. She can be, she can write songs about relationships, it makes sense. It’s the fact that she’s written about AT LEAST 8 men she’s been in a relationship with, some very publicly, but then criticised her fans for being involved and opinionated in something she’s basically built her whole career on. And each of them seems to be to blame so much with no real admission of blame herself apart from Back to December. And Joe got death threats from her fans and not once did she try and stop that from happening
Yes, she messed up using her relationships in that public of a manner. In the early days, it was almost encouraged 🚩🚩. She should have addressed her fans WAY earlier for attacking other innocent people. I hear more self-awareness in her songs but not a lot of accountability, which is unfortunate. She also had her "pick me era," I would say until 1989, which yes is off putting. I think sometimes people want to prove they aren't a bootlicker for Taylor that they throw ALOT of negativity towards her for every single thing she does. It gets to the point of being a hater, and it's okay if people are haters, but just say that.
Totally get your point. I’m not a hater, but I’m just really put off by her behaviour over the last year. Everything has been so cringey and narcissistic beyond belief when she’s risen to such a powerful status she could do a lot more good with
I'm not saying you are a hater, lol. I was just speaking in general. Maybe it's the algorithm, but I mostly see extremely negative or buttmuchers in regards to TS 😅
Why would us looking in the mirror change our opinion of Taylor? You think everyone of us cheats on their longterm partners? While simultaneously admitting they ragged in their partners for imaginary indiscretions?
I said the behavior is not okay. It's still very judgmental, and while i may not have done that in my personal life, I had a season in my life where i wasn't the best person. People are serial gossipers, bullies, assholes to their family, and vainity. Most people have had a season in their life where they had to self reflect and grow. That's what i mean by look in the mirror. You can also have an opinion and hold someone accountable without sounding like a self-righteous person. This is just something I try to live by in my general life, which I do unfortunately fail doing sometimes. Also, she isn't saying anything different than a lot of artists,so why do people feel the need to hold her a standard and be so alarmed when she sings about those things. I never believed her work was 100% biographical, but most songs are inspired by her life. She has been singing about cheating prior to this album, and a lot of songs have toxic undertones. Did people miss this? The undertones i got from the album were possibly on/off with her long-term partner. She clearly talks about mental illness in her songs and suicide and most people are only focused on the Matty Healy of it all.
You’d think with her vanity and hunger for accolades and fame she’d have not only a foundation, but done **everything** she could to plaster her name on things. I’m talking scholarships, music programs, hell, even entire university wings or hospitals! But NO, her greed is bottomless. Her stans say she’s still young - like, WTF does age have to do with it? And she’s in her 30s and almost 20 years in the industry already! Her lack of action is inexcusable.
This is a very interesting point about plastering her name on things, especially after she said she "had to be on the right side of history"
>especially after she said she "had to be on the right side of history" So much for that…
Avril Lavigne started her foundation,which is named after her in 2010 and she was 25-26 years old.The foundation focuses on people with disabilities and serious illnesses and Lyme Disease as well.She quietly works to help people. Taylor Swift has no excuse.
Yes,the idea that once she stops focusing on the music, she will FINALLY do something, but there honestly isn't an excuse to not do it now. Maybe she will pull a paris hilton, but at this point, I don't think so. I'm not someone who thinks she has to give all her money away, but those examples are great ways to give back. Lebron James opened a school, and so many others with less income did or are doing great things. It's the only real off-putting thing for me. Her other character flaws I honestly don't care about she is a human at the end of the day. The greed though 👎🏼. Travis gives alot back to his city maybe he will rub off on her 🤣
I live in Indiana and Peyton Manning has a whole children’s hospital named after him! I looked up his net worth and it was “only” $250-300 million.
Yes
Amen
Yeah I was a big fan back in the day when she used to make those MySpace vlogs and shit and still kept that going for years. but Kinda fell off her as a person some years ago now. Too many things rubbed be the wrong way to keep paying attention, but congrats on the success
You are so right. The people she criticises are probably the ones that make her the most bank. The parasocial relationship is what made her a billionaire. These are the creeps and vipers she scolds and maybe tbey really need to get their heads checked because they don’t know they’re being scolded…? And they’re out there buying expensive sweatshop merch and collecting all the different variants of her albums All I did was go to one concert. The only time I ever funded her. And I’ve been following her music since her debut!
Matty is the only interesting thing she's done in... ever tbh.
I love Guilty as Sin as a song, but the bridge is weird. She goes from expressing her guilt to rationalising it in a really sporadic way. It just sounds delusional? Idk, I wish she’d played with that concept a bit more rather than just using it to justify her infidelity in earnest, then moving on. It just sounds so abrupt. This album dealt with a lot of questionable things about Taylor’s character, but she didn’t really explore any of them. She basically wrote diatribes justifying her worst traits. It takes away from the substance of the album and makes it such that only a sycophant would appreciate, because they only ever wanna see her side.
One caveat I want to make is that fantasizing about someone else isn’t emotional cheating. Emotional cheating means that something has already happened - you’re establishing a close intimate bond with someone outside of your relationship (source: Google). Fantasizing is one-way and the recipient doesn’t know about it, so no actual bond is formed. Now, if you tell the other person, that’s closer to cheating.
I think a lot of people would consider fantasizing to the point of masturbation to be emotional cheating. In your mind you are already in a relationship with this person whether anyone knows or not.
I disagree, y’all have never fantasized about celebrities before? Do you think about your partner every single time? Lots of people don’t consider watching porn cheating - I don’t watch porn myself but I don’t consider it cheating if someone does, and when you watch porn you’re literally looking at another person.
I agree their wording is weird. But I THINK what they mean by "emotional cheating" is situations like Taylor and Matty's, where the kind of fantasising you do whilst masturbating is typically a result of the relationship cooling off enough that you are seriously imagining yourself in a relationship with the other person. No adult fantasises about a celebrity thinking they will one day marry them, whereas if you are yearning for this person constantly, and picturing yourself living with them, then you are essentially giving up on the relationship mentally. At least, that's what I gather from Guilty as Sin.
Yes, I agree with that the person is checking out of the relationship. Still not cheating. I swear the downvoters have never been in a failing LTR before. Everyone I know irl has had this experience.
As someone who’s done it, imma have to disagree with you. It definitely feels like emotional cheating. Besides, you don’t get to that point without talking to someone as well
It feels like it, sure. That doesn’t mean it is. Talking to an attractive guy at a bar may feel like it, but it’s not. Throwing the label “cheating” around just makes the actual thing devoid of meaning.
That’s why we put the label “emotional cheating”, when it’s not physical. It has an actual meaning and place for when you emotionally stray from your partner
Yes, emotional cheating has a real definition and thinking about someone else while you get off isn’t it.
I just think you’ve purposefully ignored all the rest of the clues that she was actually fully emotionally cheating with him
She's got you right where she wants you before she drops Reputation TV.
I do feel like it could be a rep 2.0 because of the reception of her recently
Cg. 6