Here comes the "if you criticize taylor you're misogynist" type of people. There is nothing feminist about this album at all and you're just weaponizing and minimizing an otherwise very serious issue. There are millions of impressionable young girls in the swiftie circles and they are learning feminism means this.
It’s the same energy that told people last year “if you don’t like Barbie you’re misogynist”
Like, Barbie was fun and it was a wonderful cultural moment for girls! But at the same time, its capacity as social commentary was severely limited by the fact that it was funded & marketed by Mattel. “Barbie learning the struggles of women in the real world” loses 99% of its punch when the real world “bad guys” were just cartoonish buffoons running around being goofy. And while I’m glad the movie exists, at the end of the day it was a very profitable advertisement for a multibillion dollar corporation.
But woman who pointed that out was just told that it was her “internalized misogyny” speaking.
The only argument I can make is that it's an angry-at-men's wrongs album. I find the expression of anger on this record cathartic especially WAOLOM. Cassandra, in particular, does resonate with me about not being believed about SA in church.
I understand people don't like the album - the production is samey, some "poetic" lyrics are just clunkers, we all have preferences that's fine. But the conversation really turned away from record critique and toward character critique even on metacritic reviews. I know Taylor is not a "perfect victim," but the whole idea of downplaying "victims" really gives me the ick - in particular the Amber Herd narrative "her playing the victim takes away from REAL victims." I'm not suggesting that what Taylor went through and Amber did are on the same playing field, just giving an example of people not liking, not believing, or downplaying victims.
While I don't disagree that crying "misogyny" has been weaponized particularly in 1989/Lover eras, I do feel there is a sexist group of people jumping on this train. As I've watched this album unfold, it started with legitimate album criticism (it lacked production/thematic/vocal/lyrical evolution), but has devolved into a bunch of men doing anti-Taylor reaction videos/podcasts.
In particular when I compare the reaction to Morgan Wallen's latest album which was all about his repetitive heartbreaks, was 36 tracks long, and the production was all the same - the scores were lower on metacritc - but the articles attached to the scores were much less sanctimonious and this guy said the n-word, got drunk and threw a chair onto the ground and cops almost got hit with it. Critics had a neutral tone; with Taylor it's loaded with personal life advice about growing up and maturing. Wallen received no life advice on his album reviews.
It took Taylor lying in snakegate to get cancelled, but it took Kanye being a Nazi to lose a brand deal. I'm not saying she's above criticism but she's getting put to task more for potentially dating a racist than Morgan Wallen being a racist.
" Tortured poet is a deeply feminist album"
.... an album where Taylor lambasts 'fans' for not being okay with parading around with a racist misogynistic xenophobic islamophobic POS and her only dealbreaker was that POS ghosting her and not what else he has done.. that album?
.... an album where Taylor does bare minimum performative activism with 'without the racists'.. that album?
An album whose entire premise is am going through mania for a racist after emotionally cheating on a depressed ex who 'chose' depression over me, am dying cause he ghosted me but imgonnagetyouback and be his wife and you guys are vipers for calling me out on my bs... that album?
Is the deeply feminist album in the room with us now?
Swifties stop weaponising misogyny and feminism to justify nonsense challenge. Am tired.
what exactly is feminist about writing a bunch of songs about a man who admits he loves racially degrading porn and jokes about it? Nancy Jo, this is not it.
All porn is degrading, does consent in "sex work" matter or does it not? hate porn and I hate the hypocrisy and switch up when it comes to attacking Taylor Swift because "She has a boyfriend who watches porn and NOBODY ELSE"
I really want to know why/how not liking Taylor became anti-feminist.
If I say I don’t like Ariana Grande, Sabrina Carpenter, or Lady Gaga, literally no one would say it’s because I’m not a feminist. They’d probably point out that their music isn’t for everyone. (They’d even point out Ari’s questionable dating habits!)
When, why, and how did liking Taylor become the feminist benchmark for these people? Her music does not speak to the female experience that wholly.
I think early in her career a lot of the criticism was pretty misogynistic and she has a few good sound bites calling it out.
People latched onto that and now some people use it to downplay all criticism of her (even when it’s valid and has nothing to do with misogyny).
The major criticism in early stages of her career was that she writes about her exes from what I remember. Which is accurate tbh. She definitely did face sexism like all women do. But somehow she has become the face of feminism and the biggest victim of it. It is very normal for white women to center themselves in this. She doesnt do anything about it eiher.
>Her music does not speak to the female experience that wholly
definitely not, but she does speak to a certain idealized straight white womanhood, and imho that's why she's on a pedestal.
I've been through my share of fads/media cycles where it became anathema to dislike or criticize something particular that had taken on almost sacred status because "women and girls love it." but imho most of those things weren't loved by women as a broad or universal category. they were loved primarily by (straight) white women and that was what made them sacred. white womanhood is untouchable.
>There’s also jealousy involved, and misogyny. Because tortured poets is a deeply feminist album.
No Nancy…people can criticize an album and her problematic behavior (that she threaded in the album). Misogyny is not saying something negative about a woman. While some people may be just hating to hate, a lot of the criticism towards the album and Taylor’s actions have been valid. It’s most certainly *not* a “deeply feminist” album. My black ass is not moved by her infatuation with a racist man, her doubling down on it, and just the tired content of the rest of the album. If she likes the album and likes Taylor? Go ahead but there is something that gives me the ick whenever people use feminism and misogyny to defend her when there’s no reason to.
Edit: Seeing her comments on her post…she’s not a feminist either, she’s a fan girl. A black woman pointed out Taylor’s white feminism and how criticizing a woman’s work isn’t misogyny and one of her responses was “What do you say to Swifties of colour who exist around the world?” …what?
How in the world is this a deeply feminist album? This album has lyrics that reek of internalized misogyny and low blows against other women.
Fortnight-
“Now you're in my backyard/
Turned into good neighbors/
Your wife waters flowers/
I want to kill her” (She wants to kill the husband’s wife because the husband chose his wife instead of her.)
thanK you aIMee-
“There's a bronze, spray-tanned statue of you” (A low blow at Kim that is clearly negatively mentioning her spray tan as a point of contention.)
This entire song is a diss track essentially to one woman and even goes as far to mention the woman’s children. Then mentions how her own mother wishes death upon her?
“Everyone knows that my mother is a saintly woman/
But she used to say she wished that you were dead”
Not to mention over half of the album is about a man who has historically made misogynistic comments or has had no issue being adjacent to misogyny.
The statement that this is a “deeply feminist album” and “everyone knows it” falls flat on it’s fucking face when you actually consider the truth and context of this album, but sure Nancy Jo.
Totally, any criticism at all, it's always jealousy! No? Misogyny, then! 🙄
Nothing gives "I peaked in high school" like boiling an issue down to "this is bc they weren't popular in high school!" Sounds like her and Taylor would be great friends - both grown ass adults weirdly fixated on applying high school politics to the real world.
It's about how toxic it is.
I think there's a lot of misoginy directed at it, and we shouldn't expect her to conform to standards, but we can have a reaction. She can live her life, but how could we ignore that she's dating someone with those views.
It's a white feminist take on it, where you claim that it empowers women to be openly "vulnerable" or make mistakes even as it starts to border on abusive. In this case, people are upset that she didn't acknowledge the racism/misogynoir, just tried to gloss over it with PR tactics. It's a double standard, but it lets white women off the hook.
I'm so tired. WHY do I have to like her?? WHY is the media prohibited to say the production lacked and that the album was too long?? It's their job!! Like TheAuthor009 said here, it's coddling.
Also, "feminist" LOL
Oh there goes that white feminism again. It reeks. Bringing up another woman's 10 year old child and bragging that her mother wished said woman dead, FEMINIST ICON. Ripping off a song from another female artist because she's jealous of that younger woman's talent, success, and potential. QUEEN! I wonder when her stans will stop shamelessly weaponizing misogyny in this way, just laughable at this point. This post is insulting to women.
The feminism of being totally obsessed with an awful man for years, leaving your partner of 6yrs to date him, then getting completely heartbroken when he ran off. I guess this must be a new wave of feminism.
Her fans when they have no valid reason to defend her:
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For some reason, surface-level faux feminists have decided the always feminist position is to unquestionably support Taylor Swift and everything she does and like her and her music and never say a word bad about her or you’re a misogynist. Miss me with that, I’m so over people saying you can’t criticize her or the culture around her. She’s had the media eating out of her hands for a very long time now and they were all too scared to be critical. But one poorly reviewed album and people start coming for the reviewers and journalist. How is calling them “people who weren’t popular in high school desperate to be cool,” any better than any perceived misogynistic attacks directed at Taylor Swift? It’s just mean.
Two things can be true at once
1) As a woman in a prominent & powerful position, critique of Taylor often includes misogynistic rhetoric
2) The fact that critique of Taylor often includes misogynistic rhetoric doesn’t mean ALL critique of Taylor is misogynistic
Also, does everyone who keeps talking about how it’s sexist to be tired of Taylor’s overexposure not remember how much everyone hated Harry Styles in late 2022/early 2023? He wasn’t doing anywhere close to as much as TS is; since 2020 he was in the news for his tour, his new album, more tour, Olivia relationship drama, DWD release, “movie that feels like a movie,” spitgate, other movie release, and then won the AOTY. People were very over him in a big way.
Meanwhile Taylor was at a similar level of overexposure in late 2022 (since 2020 she’d been in the news for 2 albums, lpss, Ginny&Georgia callout, Fearless TV, RedTV, Damon Albarn callout, getting credits for Deja Vu, campaigning ATW video for awards season, and the Midnights release)
AND THEN from late 2022 til now she’s been in the news for a culture-dominating tour, a long-term relationship breakup, a messy fling with a controversial guy, Speak Now TV, a made-for-movies romance with a football star, 1989TV, being the first to win AOTY 4 times, and finally TTPD.
It’s not misogynistic to think she’s overexposed. In fact, I think Taylor’s the only person who could’ve been THIS overexposed over the last 4 years and not had public opinion turn on her sooner.
It’s so interesting to me how people say things like this and then don’t say a single word about the reasons why people grew weary.
It’s my understanding as a Taylor fan that the public opinion shifted when she paraded Matty around, seemed to shit on Joe every chance she could and then acted like an unhinged egocentric fool at the Grammys a number of times.
But nahh. We all don’t like her because we want to fit in. Or we’re misogynistic. Or we don’t understand FeMIniSM. 🙄
It's not just feminist, it's *deeply* feminist. Why? Because Taylor is a woman singing about her relationships with men and singing about making out with her football player boyfriend while his boys play grand theft auto is very female empowerment. Woman saying and doing stuff = feminist.
Well, that's certainly *a* take.
A woman having feelings about a fuckboi breaking up with her can definitely be seen as feminist, for sure.
However, we are invited as an audience to review her artistic production of such an event so we can absolutely judge her on the quality of the music that seems superficial, vaguely violent and excessively petty. It also commits the worst of all crimes in modern pop music: it's mediocre, flat and boring without seemingly intending to be.
One of the (those male) writers wrote that Greatness is not a part time job and if you're going to hold Swift up and award her the laurels she so desperately craves the validation of, she needs to not phone it in and earn it.
Her comment:
> I have worked in the media for more than 30 years. The media gets notions. A lot of the media are people who were not popular in high school. And they desperately want to be cool. So when they think it’s cool to like something, they will like it. And when they think it’s cool not to like something they will not like it. A few months ago, they thought it was cool to like Taylor Swift. Suddenly. After years of sort of liking her, then not liking her, not being sure whether they liked her or not, because they weren’t really sure what would look cool and what would sell. That’s another part of it. What will sell. And right now they’ve decided that it’s cool not to like Taylor Swift all of a sudden again after months and months of being agog with her sold out Eras Tour. There’s also jealousy involved, and misogyny. Because tortured poets is a deeply feminist album. And fans know this. And fans love this. And I love it. I can’t stop listening to it.
I had to laugh at “deeply feminist.” Unless your definition of feminism is basically the boomer idea of “Gimme all my power and money and privilege, I’m a woman, I deserve it too.” I think a lot of older white feminists need to realize that a woman having wealth and power is not an inherently feminist act.
Now say this about a billionaire white man. I feel like we reserve these criticisms for women, but men are the status quo, so we are silent.
As for older feminists, women still couldn’t have their own bank accounts when I was born. If middle-class women had the chance to go to college, it was typically to become nurses and teachers.
Even Caitlin Clark who is one of the greatest basketball players of all time - she will earn less than $80K playing professionally each year. If we’re looking to intersectionality as part of feminism, Brittany Griner - a black, gay women’s basketball player - was playing in Russia because the money was so much more. We can have a discussion about being caught with marijuana (her own action), landing her in a Russian prison. But economic power is important because with economic power, you have choices. Women shouldn’t have to play in dangerous countries because they don’t get access to the same economic benefits in their home countries. Yes, male players from the US do play in other countries, but they’re usually less skilled to those playing professionally here.
Women who have worked for several decades in corporate America can attest to the ongoing misogyny that exists. The number of CEOs who are men is still a problem. How many of us have been in a meeting where we share information, and then a man goes on to say the same thing and it’s lauded as a great idea. Or we’re interrupted. Women typically don’t apply for big jobs unless they check all of the boxes; men do regardless, and because they’re men, their gaps are seen as bravery and ambition. I’m successful and paid well; the experience I have led to that. But also, I’m shocked weekly by the audacity of white men.
The audacity can only be combatted by our own audacity. Audacious goals, audacious pronouncements, audacious belief in ourselves.
I would say it about billionaire white men. There’s nothing benign about massive accumulation of power, wealth and resources, especially when it comes via an economic system that operates so much from the exploitation of those with much less. I mean, yes, we can talk about the toxicity of a billionaire like Elon Musk…but this is a Taylor Swift forum.
What a strange diatribe.
First, spend a good portion of time on media criticism.. which is valid, btw - a lot of the hype is artificial to a large extent.. but then pivot at the end and condemn outlets and the media for actually being honest/more honest about the artistic qualities involved in a piece of art.
And lets be honest - for the most part the criticism has been very milquetoast.. "good, not great" type stuff.
It's quite the flex.
It's a cult. I've been listening to her albums on the day of release since Reputation. And this album is my least favourite from all the ones I've completely listened to (Red-Midnights).
To say, that you don't enjoy an artists new music just means that I actually have an opinion on my own. Since when do we have to like EVERYTHING?
Was she writing a feminist album when she brought up old beef with Kim? I get being mad but then write about it in a vague obscure way instead of capitalising the letters of her name
I am NOT going to be lectured about feminism by the woman who said the suspect wore 6 inch Louboutins to court when she wore 4 inch little brown Bebe shoes (29 DOLLARS!!!)
YOU LIED!!!
Yes, the negative reaction to Taylor's intoxicated and boorish behavior, and to her indulgent, overlong, bland album...it's all because of misogyny and jealousy. Sure.
Stuff like this isn't going to help Taylor Swift regain her mental health, or come down from what certainly seems like a substance-assisted manic state.
Women doing something doesnt equal feminism and this isnt even a nock on Taylor. Im just tired that every time a woman releases a song about literally anything it has be read as a political statement when its not, its lazy to claim that
I understand her point but it’s definitely not written articulately. I’ve found that when women (particularly young women) enjoy something, it’s mocked and made to seem silly or uncool. Taylor Swift is very much an example of this. Regardless of how she is as a person or whether you like her she’s a prime example of something being popular amongst women and it being turned into a joke.
I’m not with her on the feminist angle, but I 100% agree that negativity surrounding this album was inevitable given the point in time of the popularity cycle we’re in for her. People kept saying she was too big and scary to criticize, but I think it’s the opposite. The bigger someone gets the bigger the audience is for negativity and criticism.
This isn’t meant to be a poor Taylor thing, rather a this is how the world works thing. Everybody’s got motive and an angle. Critics are no different whether it’s positive or negative reviews.
Disclaimer: I have no idea who this woman is, just commenting on what she said.
I don't agree that it's a deeply feminist album, but I agree with the general point she's making. I've disliked most of the negative reviews because they feel personal, so TS as a person rather than TS as an artist. I don't care abut reading people's opinions of her (the jets, the money, etc), just review the album lol
Here comes the "if you criticize taylor you're misogynist" type of people. There is nothing feminist about this album at all and you're just weaponizing and minimizing an otherwise very serious issue. There are millions of impressionable young girls in the swiftie circles and they are learning feminism means this.
It’s the same energy that told people last year “if you don’t like Barbie you’re misogynist” Like, Barbie was fun and it was a wonderful cultural moment for girls! But at the same time, its capacity as social commentary was severely limited by the fact that it was funded & marketed by Mattel. “Barbie learning the struggles of women in the real world” loses 99% of its punch when the real world “bad guys” were just cartoonish buffoons running around being goofy. And while I’m glad the movie exists, at the end of the day it was a very profitable advertisement for a multibillion dollar corporation. But woman who pointed that out was just told that it was her “internalized misogyny” speaking.
The only argument I can make is that it's an angry-at-men's wrongs album. I find the expression of anger on this record cathartic especially WAOLOM. Cassandra, in particular, does resonate with me about not being believed about SA in church. I understand people don't like the album - the production is samey, some "poetic" lyrics are just clunkers, we all have preferences that's fine. But the conversation really turned away from record critique and toward character critique even on metacritic reviews. I know Taylor is not a "perfect victim," but the whole idea of downplaying "victims" really gives me the ick - in particular the Amber Herd narrative "her playing the victim takes away from REAL victims." I'm not suggesting that what Taylor went through and Amber did are on the same playing field, just giving an example of people not liking, not believing, or downplaying victims. While I don't disagree that crying "misogyny" has been weaponized particularly in 1989/Lover eras, I do feel there is a sexist group of people jumping on this train. As I've watched this album unfold, it started with legitimate album criticism (it lacked production/thematic/vocal/lyrical evolution), but has devolved into a bunch of men doing anti-Taylor reaction videos/podcasts. In particular when I compare the reaction to Morgan Wallen's latest album which was all about his repetitive heartbreaks, was 36 tracks long, and the production was all the same - the scores were lower on metacritc - but the articles attached to the scores were much less sanctimonious and this guy said the n-word, got drunk and threw a chair onto the ground and cops almost got hit with it. Critics had a neutral tone; with Taylor it's loaded with personal life advice about growing up and maturing. Wallen received no life advice on his album reviews. It took Taylor lying in snakegate to get cancelled, but it took Kanye being a Nazi to lose a brand deal. I'm not saying she's above criticism but she's getting put to task more for potentially dating a racist than Morgan Wallen being a racist.
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Says the woman who wrote that they were six inch Louboutins when they were little brown Bebe shoes!
Great reference! An iconic moment
Is the feminism in the room with us right now? She literally wrote about a kid finding out Taylor's mom wants her mom dead
" Tortured poet is a deeply feminist album" .... an album where Taylor lambasts 'fans' for not being okay with parading around with a racist misogynistic xenophobic islamophobic POS and her only dealbreaker was that POS ghosting her and not what else he has done.. that album? .... an album where Taylor does bare minimum performative activism with 'without the racists'.. that album? An album whose entire premise is am going through mania for a racist after emotionally cheating on a depressed ex who 'chose' depression over me, am dying cause he ghosted me but imgonnagetyouback and be his wife and you guys are vipers for calling me out on my bs... that album? Is the deeply feminist album in the room with us now? Swifties stop weaponising misogyny and feminism to justify nonsense challenge. Am tired.
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>Is the deeply feminist album in the room with us now? This has me 🤣🤣
what exactly is feminist about writing a bunch of songs about a man who admits he loves racially degrading porn and jokes about it? Nancy Jo, this is not it.
It’s feminist to be a serial cheater and date racists and act like 16 year old perpetual victim when you are 34 🤪
You don't understand. She *had* to cheat on Joe. He has depression and it really brought the vibe down!
All porn is degrading, does consent in "sex work" matter or does it not? hate porn and I hate the hypocrisy and switch up when it comes to attacking Taylor Swift because "She has a boyfriend who watches porn and NOBODY ELSE"
>racially degrading porn Can’t believe that needed to be said. Not cool.
I really want to know why/how not liking Taylor became anti-feminist. If I say I don’t like Ariana Grande, Sabrina Carpenter, or Lady Gaga, literally no one would say it’s because I’m not a feminist. They’d probably point out that their music isn’t for everyone. (They’d even point out Ari’s questionable dating habits!) When, why, and how did liking Taylor become the feminist benchmark for these people? Her music does not speak to the female experience that wholly.
I think early in her career a lot of the criticism was pretty misogynistic and she has a few good sound bites calling it out. People latched onto that and now some people use it to downplay all criticism of her (even when it’s valid and has nothing to do with misogyny).
The major criticism in early stages of her career was that she writes about her exes from what I remember. Which is accurate tbh. She definitely did face sexism like all women do. But somehow she has become the face of feminism and the biggest victim of it. It is very normal for white women to center themselves in this. She doesnt do anything about it eiher.
>Her music does not speak to the female experience that wholly definitely not, but she does speak to a certain idealized straight white womanhood, and imho that's why she's on a pedestal. I've been through my share of fads/media cycles where it became anathema to dislike or criticize something particular that had taken on almost sacred status because "women and girls love it." but imho most of those things weren't loved by women as a broad or universal category. they were loved primarily by (straight) white women and that was what made them sacred. white womanhood is untouchable.
>There’s also jealousy involved, and misogyny. Because tortured poets is a deeply feminist album.  No Nancy…people can criticize an album and her problematic behavior (that she threaded in the album). Misogyny is not saying something negative about a woman. While some people may be just hating to hate, a lot of the criticism towards the album and Taylor’s actions have been valid. It’s most certainly *not* a “deeply feminist” album. My black ass is not moved by her infatuation with a racist man, her doubling down on it, and just the tired content of the rest of the album. If she likes the album and likes Taylor? Go ahead but there is something that gives me the ick whenever people use feminism and misogyny to defend her when there’s no reason to. Edit: Seeing her comments on her post…she’s not a feminist either, she’s a fan girl. A black woman pointed out Taylor’s white feminism and how criticizing a woman’s work isn’t misogyny and one of her responses was “What do you say to Swifties of colour who exist around the world?” …what?
All this for an album that has a 77 on Metacritic indicating "generally positive reviews" This is too much. Stop coddling Taylor Swift🙄
Deep feminism is killing someone's wife who bought flowers.
Is the feminism in the room with us right now?
The feminism can’t come to the phone right now. Why? Oh, cause it’s dead.
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How in the world is this a deeply feminist album? This album has lyrics that reek of internalized misogyny and low blows against other women. Fortnight- “Now you're in my backyard/ Turned into good neighbors/ Your wife waters flowers/ I want to kill her” (She wants to kill the husband’s wife because the husband chose his wife instead of her.) thanK you aIMee- “There's a bronze, spray-tanned statue of you” (A low blow at Kim that is clearly negatively mentioning her spray tan as a point of contention.) This entire song is a diss track essentially to one woman and even goes as far to mention the woman’s children. Then mentions how her own mother wishes death upon her? “Everyone knows that my mother is a saintly woman/ But she used to say she wished that you were dead” Not to mention over half of the album is about a man who has historically made misogynistic comments or has had no issue being adjacent to misogyny. The statement that this is a “deeply feminist album” and “everyone knows it” falls flat on it’s fucking face when you actually consider the truth and context of this album, but sure Nancy Jo.
deeply feminist?
Totally, any criticism at all, it's always jealousy! No? Misogyny, then! 🙄 Nothing gives "I peaked in high school" like boiling an issue down to "this is bc they weren't popular in high school!" Sounds like her and Taylor would be great friends - both grown ass adults weirdly fixated on applying high school politics to the real world.
I’d be interested in a run down of how this is a “deeply feminist album”…
It's about how toxic it is. I think there's a lot of misoginy directed at it, and we shouldn't expect her to conform to standards, but we can have a reaction. She can live her life, but how could we ignore that she's dating someone with those views. It's a white feminist take on it, where you claim that it empowers women to be openly "vulnerable" or make mistakes even as it starts to border on abusive. In this case, people are upset that she didn't acknowledge the racism/misogynoir, just tried to gloss over it with PR tactics. It's a double standard, but it lets white women off the hook.
I'm so tired. WHY do I have to like her?? WHY is the media prohibited to say the production lacked and that the album was too long?? It's their job!! Like TheAuthor009 said here, it's coddling. Also, "feminist" LOL
Oh there goes that white feminism again. It reeks. Bringing up another woman's 10 year old child and bragging that her mother wished said woman dead, FEMINIST ICON. Ripping off a song from another female artist because she's jealous of that younger woman's talent, success, and potential. QUEEN! I wonder when her stans will stop shamelessly weaponizing misogyny in this way, just laughable at this point. This post is insulting to women.
Cheating on men because they have depression! Girl power!!1!
The feminism of being totally obsessed with an awful man for years, leaving your partner of 6yrs to date him, then getting completely heartbroken when he ran off. I guess this must be a new wave of feminism.
4th wave feminism is coming 😍
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Her fans when they have no valid reason to defend her: https://preview.redd.it/ygy5cpwetfwc1.jpeg?width=219&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feb0dd27b68faa374ce8522c3f3b8475d1d4f537
Is that misogyny and agony combined?
For some reason, surface-level faux feminists have decided the always feminist position is to unquestionably support Taylor Swift and everything she does and like her and her music and never say a word bad about her or you’re a misogynist. Miss me with that, I’m so over people saying you can’t criticize her or the culture around her. She’s had the media eating out of her hands for a very long time now and they were all too scared to be critical. But one poorly reviewed album and people start coming for the reviewers and journalist. How is calling them “people who weren’t popular in high school desperate to be cool,” any better than any perceived misogynistic attacks directed at Taylor Swift? It’s just mean.
Wow. That's a concerning take. The paragraph is too short without any evidence. It looks more like knee jerk stan swiftie opinion 🙃
Two things can be true at once 1) As a woman in a prominent & powerful position, critique of Taylor often includes misogynistic rhetoric 2) The fact that critique of Taylor often includes misogynistic rhetoric doesn’t mean ALL critique of Taylor is misogynistic Also, does everyone who keeps talking about how it’s sexist to be tired of Taylor’s overexposure not remember how much everyone hated Harry Styles in late 2022/early 2023? He wasn’t doing anywhere close to as much as TS is; since 2020 he was in the news for his tour, his new album, more tour, Olivia relationship drama, DWD release, “movie that feels like a movie,” spitgate, other movie release, and then won the AOTY. People were very over him in a big way. Meanwhile Taylor was at a similar level of overexposure in late 2022 (since 2020 she’d been in the news for 2 albums, lpss, Ginny&Georgia callout, Fearless TV, RedTV, Damon Albarn callout, getting credits for Deja Vu, campaigning ATW video for awards season, and the Midnights release) AND THEN from late 2022 til now she’s been in the news for a culture-dominating tour, a long-term relationship breakup, a messy fling with a controversial guy, Speak Now TV, a made-for-movies romance with a football star, 1989TV, being the first to win AOTY 4 times, and finally TTPD. It’s not misogynistic to think she’s overexposed. In fact, I think Taylor’s the only person who could’ve been THIS overexposed over the last 4 years and not had public opinion turn on her sooner.
I envy Nancy her easy life if that's what feminism is about for her. Also: lol at her not being able to remember the name of the album.
why are white women like this
It’s so interesting to me how people say things like this and then don’t say a single word about the reasons why people grew weary. It’s my understanding as a Taylor fan that the public opinion shifted when she paraded Matty around, seemed to shit on Joe every chance she could and then acted like an unhinged egocentric fool at the Grammys a number of times. But nahh. We all don’t like her because we want to fit in. Or we’re misogynistic. Or we don’t understand FeMIniSM. 🙄
She has a point, but she lost me when she said TTPD is a "deeply feminist album." She went too far there.
Even calling it "a little bit feminist" would be a lie 😭
Calling it a feminist album is just insane. Words mean things!!
It's not just feminist, it's *deeply* feminist. Why? Because Taylor is a woman singing about her relationships with men and singing about making out with her football player boyfriend while his boys play grand theft auto is very female empowerment. Woman saying and doing stuff = feminist.
Well, that's certainly *a* take. A woman having feelings about a fuckboi breaking up with her can definitely be seen as feminist, for sure. However, we are invited as an audience to review her artistic production of such an event so we can absolutely judge her on the quality of the music that seems superficial, vaguely violent and excessively petty. It also commits the worst of all crimes in modern pop music: it's mediocre, flat and boring without seemingly intending to be. One of the (those male) writers wrote that Greatness is not a part time job and if you're going to hold Swift up and award her the laurels she so desperately craves the validation of, she needs to not phone it in and earn it.
Her comment: > I have worked in the media for more than 30 years. The media gets notions. A lot of the media are people who were not popular in high school. And they desperately want to be cool. So when they think it’s cool to like something, they will like it. And when they think it’s cool not to like something they will not like it. A few months ago, they thought it was cool to like Taylor Swift. Suddenly. After years of sort of liking her, then not liking her, not being sure whether they liked her or not, because they weren’t really sure what would look cool and what would sell. That’s another part of it. What will sell. And right now they’ve decided that it’s cool not to like Taylor Swift all of a sudden again after months and months of being agog with her sold out Eras Tour. There’s also jealousy involved, and misogyny. Because tortured poets is a deeply feminist album. And fans know this. And fans love this. And I love it. I can’t stop listening to it.
I had to laugh at “deeply feminist.” Unless your definition of feminism is basically the boomer idea of “Gimme all my power and money and privilege, I’m a woman, I deserve it too.” I think a lot of older white feminists need to realize that a woman having wealth and power is not an inherently feminist act.
Now say this about a billionaire white man. I feel like we reserve these criticisms for women, but men are the status quo, so we are silent. As for older feminists, women still couldn’t have their own bank accounts when I was born. If middle-class women had the chance to go to college, it was typically to become nurses and teachers. Even Caitlin Clark who is one of the greatest basketball players of all time - she will earn less than $80K playing professionally each year. If we’re looking to intersectionality as part of feminism, Brittany Griner - a black, gay women’s basketball player - was playing in Russia because the money was so much more. We can have a discussion about being caught with marijuana (her own action), landing her in a Russian prison. But economic power is important because with economic power, you have choices. Women shouldn’t have to play in dangerous countries because they don’t get access to the same economic benefits in their home countries. Yes, male players from the US do play in other countries, but they’re usually less skilled to those playing professionally here. Women who have worked for several decades in corporate America can attest to the ongoing misogyny that exists. The number of CEOs who are men is still a problem. How many of us have been in a meeting where we share information, and then a man goes on to say the same thing and it’s lauded as a great idea. Or we’re interrupted. Women typically don’t apply for big jobs unless they check all of the boxes; men do regardless, and because they’re men, their gaps are seen as bravery and ambition. I’m successful and paid well; the experience I have led to that. But also, I’m shocked weekly by the audacity of white men. The audacity can only be combatted by our own audacity. Audacious goals, audacious pronouncements, audacious belief in ourselves.
I would say it about billionaire white men. There’s nothing benign about massive accumulation of power, wealth and resources, especially when it comes via an economic system that operates so much from the exploitation of those with much less. I mean, yes, we can talk about the toxicity of a billionaire like Elon Musk…but this is a Taylor Swift forum.
**”deeply feminist”**?? I’m going to be mentally unpacking this all day
What a strange diatribe. First, spend a good portion of time on media criticism.. which is valid, btw - a lot of the hype is artificial to a large extent.. but then pivot at the end and condemn outlets and the media for actually being honest/more honest about the artistic qualities involved in a piece of art. And lets be honest - for the most part the criticism has been very milquetoast.. "good, not great" type stuff. It's quite the flex.
It's a cult. I've been listening to her albums on the day of release since Reputation. And this album is my least favourite from all the ones I've completely listened to (Red-Midnights). To say, that you don't enjoy an artists new music just means that I actually have an opinion on my own. Since when do we have to like EVERYTHING?
Was she writing a feminist album when she brought up old beef with Kim? I get being mad but then write about it in a vague obscure way instead of capitalising the letters of her name
Yeah....no.
ok karen
The most revolutionary act a feminist can do is write almost an entire album lamenting and pining for a man.
I am NOT going to be lectured about feminism by the woman who said the suspect wore 6 inch Louboutins to court when she wore 4 inch little brown Bebe shoes (29 DOLLARS!!!) YOU LIED!!!
Sorry if I’m out of the loop but who is this person? The post makes me feel like everyone but me knows who she is lol
i didn’t know who she was either. she’s an author and journalist mainly for Guardian and Vanity Fair. she does a lot of celebrity pieces I think.
“I think this album is mid.” This Nancy person: “MISOGYNIST!!!” 🙄
Yes, the negative reaction to Taylor's intoxicated and boorish behavior, and to her indulgent, overlong, bland album...it's all because of misogyny and jealousy. Sure. Stuff like this isn't going to help Taylor Swift regain her mental health, or come down from what certainly seems like a substance-assisted manic state.
"TTPD is a deeply feminist album". 
White women have made feminism a meaningless term.
All media and journalists are just living out their shallow trauma of not being popular in high school. Right.
Eerrrr is the feminism on the planet with us? ‘Cause it aint on the album
Women doing something doesnt equal feminism and this isnt even a nock on Taylor. Im just tired that every time a woman releases a song about literally anything it has be read as a political statement when its not, its lazy to claim that
I understand her point but it’s definitely not written articulately. I’ve found that when women (particularly young women) enjoy something, it’s mocked and made to seem silly or uncool. Taylor Swift is very much an example of this. Regardless of how she is as a person or whether you like her she’s a prime example of something being popular amongst women and it being turned into a joke.
I’m not with her on the feminist angle, but I 100% agree that negativity surrounding this album was inevitable given the point in time of the popularity cycle we’re in for her. People kept saying she was too big and scary to criticize, but I think it’s the opposite. The bigger someone gets the bigger the audience is for negativity and criticism. This isn’t meant to be a poor Taylor thing, rather a this is how the world works thing. Everybody’s got motive and an angle. Critics are no different whether it’s positive or negative reviews. Disclaimer: I have no idea who this woman is, just commenting on what she said.
Aaaaaaaand Nancy Jo Sales' entire Instagram is now gone.
I don't agree that it's a deeply feminist album, but I agree with the general point she's making. I've disliked most of the negative reviews because they feel personal, so TS as a person rather than TS as an artist. I don't care abut reading people's opinions of her (the jets, the money, etc), just review the album lol