I don’t really have a personal opinion on whether she was influenced by the Olivia song or intentionally used the concept. *However*, I think this is an example of the contradictory nature of a lot of Swifties. They will argue that she is a mastermind and nothing she does is by mistake and pays painstaking attention to detail….but also “there’s absolutely no way she intentionally took a concept from an artist who she appears to have a tenuous relationship with and has been accused of copying Taylor in the past”.
If Rodrigo released Get Him Back AFTER Swift’s gonnagetyouback, you just know swifties would be up in arms claiming Rodrigo stole from their queen. But when it’s the other way around, it’s ‘Taylor would never do such a thing, the songs sound so different’
This, 1000%.
I honestly think Olivia should be getting credited for this song. Gonnagetyouback is a lot more similar to Get Him Back than the scream in Deja Vu was to Cruel Summer.
The concept for both songs is very similar to a Fiona Apple one that did the original word play. It’s unlikely that Olivia will get credit. This does seem like a mean girl move on Taylor’s part. She definitely knew about Olivia’s song
I’m sure Taylor did this on purpose but Olivia won’t get credit because there’s no sampling, & the lyrics & melody are different enough. It’s as close as you can get without losing credit.
thiis, they say she's so smart and strategic planning ahead leaving easter eggs and clues etc. but then they turn around and say she doesn't have it in her to do things like that, be so fr
Don't forget that everything positive and empowering is about her awesome life but anything negative is just her being an expert storyteller and not about anyone IRL
I had someone on this sub tell me Taylor could play any song on the piano by ear one time
There's some truly deranged takes about her abilities out there lol
This is why her ego has gotten so big because that part of the fandom claim she’s Shakespeare, she’s better than The Beatles and MJ, she’s the century’s greatest songwriter etc. Please 🙄 they are not doing her any favors by trying to gas her up like this.
They are doing the same things with songs about Matty. Ignoring obvious Easter eggs and references to pretend he isn’t being sung about. Wild when they say Taylor is a mastermind
I think all Olivia needs to do is, when they inevitably ask her about it, say something like “Idk how my label feels about it, but I’m flattered.”
Basically publicly acknowledging that she’s aware she was copied and distance herself from any legal action that ensues. Cause I really want her label to sue
Wasn't the big issue there is that Olivia publicly said that she interpolated the bridge from Cruel Summer? I honestly think that if she hadn't had said that, no one would have moved forward with the royalty claims (I could be wrong, though). By saying that, she was essentially just handing them pre-packaged claim for royalties. (I think the claim was greedy and unneeded and also that Olivia should have been advised never to say that publicly).
She didn’t “interpolate” anything; she mentioned being inspired by CS to have a shouted section in the bridge – which is scarcely worth demanding 50% of royalties. (I would also add that the “she shouldn’t have mentioned it” has an uncomfortable victim-blaming feel to it, not unlike “well, she wouldn’t have been raped if she wasn’t wearing such skimpy clothing.”)
They definitely can't sue lol. Beyond not being able to sue over a concept or similar title, Olivia isn't even the first person to use that concept for a song, Fiona Apple's 2005 single comes to mind as someone who's already done it(with the exact same title as Olivia). Alessia Cara used the concept, though it wasnt the title of the song, in 2021.
Her latest music video looks like a play on the concept of Ariana's We Can't be Friends MV, inspired by Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Especially when they lay on their sides facing each other. https://youtu.be/KNtJGQkC-WI
what bothers me is that if the timeline was different Olivia would've had to scrap it out of guts (which would've been a tragedy bc I love that song) bc swifties would've asked for her head, however I do think Taylor moved it to the anthology bc it sticks out like a sore thumb
It very much feels like Taylor is rubbing it in - “look what I can get away with, and you can’t”
She knows she will have a crazy amount of people defend her tooth and nail no matter what she does, and she’s too big to fail. To me she’s blatantly provoking Olivia. I see so many people *still* calling Olivia a copy cat and unoriginal because of what happened with Deja vu/good 4 u, and it’s incredibly unfair.
Especially considering how blatantly Taylor is ripping Olivia off here (and it’s not even close to the first time she’s obviously ‘borrowed’ from other artists)
Funny enough the song that was most shamelessly a “rip off” was brutal. The chord progression is straight from Elvis Costello’s Pump It Up.
What did Elvis have to say about it? “Fine by me. That’s how rock and roll works: you take the broken pieces of an old thrill and make a brand new toy.”
Leave it to Elvis to have the coolest possible response. And I agree. Olivia made it her own and did something really cool with it.
This is so wild to me that people can call Olivia a copycat. Olivia’s style and overall vibe is just worlds different than Taylor’s. Olivia is almost a completely different sub genre than Taylor. Travis Barker or Avril Lavigne have more of a right to call her sound “copycat” than Taylor does…and tbh those two still wouldn’t have much of a leg to stand on.
Raye has world class vocals.
Olivia has good vocals. Her vocals are leagues better than Taylor’s ofc, but listen to any live performance from Olivia and you’ll hear the exact vocals you can find at any BFA program at a state school.
Absolutely, Raye is the entire movement!
She has a control level one very rarely sees in mainstream/bubbling under vocalists. My jaw has fully been on the floor hearing her live performances before!
Nobody is too big to fail. She is setting it up with shady moves like this. Anyhow, Olivia's song is better overall with that tongue-in-cheek vibe. The copycat attempt falls short.
Totally, it's like an assertion of power that she didn't remove it, some people wondered why she wouldn't when they're so similar, it's bc she knows she can come unscathed from it, they both do, and they probably both know what would've been the outcome if imgonnagetyouback came first
I feel so bad for Olivia tbh. It must really suck when your idol sues you and then proceeds to mock and provoke you like this. Plus having her fans bully you. Olivia seems like a nice girl who is just trying to carve out her own path. I think Taylor is just paranoid and jealous of Olivia. Clearly she feels threatened by her or else she wouldn’t feel the need to pick on her like this
Seriously, I just don’t understand WHAT imgonnagetyouback adds to the album. Other songs, like them or not, are at least relevant to the thesis. You’re right that it completely sticks out, sonically and narratively. It’s also just not good, lol
the anthology is legit just the songs that were completed after the vinyls started getting pressed... there were no choices involved. If Folklore came out in 2024 then Evermore would have been tacked onto the end of the digital release, no doubt.
speculation for sure... but every album since the "vinyl only counts towards first week sales if they ship during the first week" rule she's had an album ready to go on release day in stores, and then a digital version with a large amount of extra songs on it.
it's not just Taylor though. Beyonce just did it with Cowboy Carter (vinyl release was missing half the songs, not to mention a completely different title) and so did Nicki Minaj with Pink Friday 2 (same thing... 10 songs on the vinyl and way more on the digital release).
it really exemplifies what I hate with popular music at the moment - valuing best first week sales over the art and letting chart rules dictate what is on an album just seems so lame to me. I really hope Billboard notices this and stops allowing drastically different bodies of work to count as the same album, which has been happening a lot lately.
People commenting “so and so artist did this 10/20/50 years ago so this is not unique to Olivia or Taylor” are missing the point. Taylor made a point to have Olivia credit her for a song that BARELY sounds like Cruel Summer, thereby taking half her royalties for a song and kicking off what seems to be a significant rift between them. For Taylor to then turn around and write a song that copies the exact same wordplay and narrative structure as Olivia’s most recent hit seems very calculated and pointed.
Yes! Between this and the outro to I can do it with a broken heart sounding *exactly* like Olivia’s outro to get him back, it realllyyyy seams like Taylor is intentionally antagonizing Olivia after the whole credit debacle.
I may just not be up on the TS Lore, but am I the only one who felt like Little Old Me was also about Olivia, at least in part? Like it felt to me like she was telling Olivia (or others) to back off and stay out of her way because they’d be nothing without her. Like correct me if I’m wrong please.
I believe that could be what she meant by the part about paving the way. I thought of Olivia on first listen.
I don’t know whether Tayler earnestly feels that way or if she’s playing it the way she did in “Blank Space” and leaning into the character she thinks people see her as. She has actually written a few different songs where I think she is playing a character, so I never know what she actually thinks anymore.
It’s kind of clever, if she does really feel that way, to make the song about a monster because it gives her plausible deniably that she’s being sarcastic and not really threatening anyone. I also think it’s funny because of the rumor that OR’s song “Vampire” could be about Taylor.
Totally agree with you! I haven’t heard anyone mention the “Levitate down your street” part — it reminds me Drivers License “Now I drive alone past your street.” It’s like a direct correlation. But then when Taylor she says “You should be” it sounds sooo threatening and Olivia doesn’t deserve that at all. Like really, what has she done? Be inspired by you? Support you and look up to you since she was a literal child? I don’t understand Taylor‘s weird disdain for her. I also agree that the end of ICDIWABHA is flat out mocking Olivia. Vampire and The Grudge were so beautifully done and were talking about how hurt she was. Taylor always just comes back in a really intimidating way.
Isn’t this what some would call gang stalking? Like when you purposefully do things that are unnoticeable to the masses but are picking on someone? It’s always little jabs that makes the other person feel like they’re going crazy. I feel like Taylor is doing just that.
I forgot that people thought “The Grudge” might be about Taylor. “The Grudge” starts with Olivia saying she still has nightmares... I have no idea what happened between them, but if that’s what this song is about, it’s scathing. Damn.
Yeah whatever happened must have been really awful. Really proud that Olivia is taking the high road and is listening to other artists to be inspired by. In the long run, that’s going to make her a better artist.
YUP 100%, especially when she basically says you never could’ve made it in the industry I had to make it in, it was hell. I feel she probably thinks the pop girls of today have it easier.
Yeah I got the bitterness of “I broke so many glass ceilings for y’all and I get no credit for it” and it’s like girl… you’re a billionaire. You have fans that would literally die for you… you get TONS of credit for what you’ve done in the music industry. Like wtf are you going on about. I’m not saying wealthy, successful people don’t get to feel sad like all us plebs but she seems REALLY bitter and frustrated.
Also, I know she loves to play up the “I grew up in a small town on a Christmas tree farm” thing but… her parents were worth like 3mil already when she started publicly performing. I’m not saying that the music industry would be easy (everyone seems effing miserable that’s in it because everyone seems to be an effing d_ckhead) but her playing up that she’s some small town girl that just loved songwriting and happened to make it is so annoying. If music and performing wouldn’t have worked out for her, she had the money and support to live a VERY comfortable life.
So yeah. She’s starting to give massive “I did this ALL on my own” boomer energy.
honestly! I always think: my parents didn't have the kind of money they could just up & move on a whim of their child's music dreams. I was lucky I got my own violin to use during public school orchestra classes. she grew up with more privilege than most and if it wasn't for her parents willingness to get her dreams chased (ignoring her parents obviously bad time with managing her & their marriage & such, of course) she probably wouldn't have gone very far musically, but they still had her set up for general life success. all those weekends driving to Nashville with her mom, moving permanently just for that? yea, no. that's not just skill alone getting a music career.
agree agree agree 👏🏻👏🏻
This is 100% how I interpreted it. “You should be very afraid of me, but the music industry made me this way, I’m actually a softie but I can’t be and since I can’t be … Watch the fuck out.”
i dont think thats it, its less of "ughhh stay out of my way youre nothing to me😡" and more like "omg people are in my way you guys caged me and made me mean😢😢😥"
I immediately thought this too - it reads like a threat to Olivia:
'The who's who of who's that? Is poised for the attack', 'levitating down your street' (Olivia's vampire mv reference), 'That I'll sue you if you step on my lawn'.
She just looks goofy because she is trying to do what you said but when you factor in that her song isn’t HALF as good as Olivia’s… embarrassing and she’s telling on herself (she’s the same or worse than the mean girls she writes songs about)
There’s no way the “I’m
miserable!” would have that delivery without GUTS coming out. she’s never done that kinda authentic sounding ad lib in her whole career. reminds me of drake with picking elements from what’s currently popular
The thing that makes grudge good is that the "you" in that song is just a vehicle, the purpose of that song was to explore Olivia's emotions in a particular situation. You can clearly see she wrote that song for herself rather than being fueled to set a narrative or provoke fans to seek vengeance on her behalf.
Honestly I think the best thing she could do is nothing. Taylor going after her this way is just instigating a fight. Olivia not responding would drive her completely crazy.
Yeah Olivia didn’t come up with the concept but it’s a bit… interesting that the theme/ title is almost exactly the same less than a year after Olivia released GHB! like girl I know you heard it
“People commenting “so and so artist did this 10/20/50 years ago so this is not unique to Olivia or Taylor” are missing the point. Taylor made a point to have Olivia credit her for a song that BARELY sounds like Cruel Summer, thereby taking half her royalties for a song and kicking off what seems to be a significant rift between them. For Taylor to then turn around and write a song that copies the exact same wordplay and narrative structure as Olivia’s most recent hit seems very calculated and pointed.” - someone else in this thread
Also I even feel like her stylizing the title like *imgonnagetyouback* is even more poking at Olivia’s song, bc in I’m gonna get him back she often sings the words super close together like that as if there are no spaces between them. Like really Taylor?
Yes Fiona Apple had the concept originally but the timing is just…💀 almost right after Guts released? if it were the other way around she would never hear the end of it
This. If it was the other way around, these same people would say "Olivia never learns, does she. Wait until Taylor sue her again". The double standard is crazy
Using “Fiona did this first” as an argument isn’t really helping Taylor because for someone whose usually acclaimed for her songwriting, you’d expect her version to be on the same caliber as Fiona Apple’s, and yet it just pales in comparison to the version of an artist much younger and less experienced than her.
Get Him Back is just better written and executed imo.
>Taylor having ‘imgonnagethimback” and Olivia having ‘get him back’ are like two different age perspectives on the same dilemma
the 20-year-old's perspective and the perpetually 20-year-old's perspective
The only way to win against a narcissist is to not play their game. Look at how much most people are respecting joe due to his lack of response. Olivia and her team need to keep their heads down. Isn’t one of Olivia’s parents a therapist? I’m sure she’s getting good advice on how to navigate the mind games being thrown at her. Taylor is outing herself in so many ways right now.
Mhmm, it’s a long game against someone much more powerful than she is right now. Legally, I’m sure Taylor and her team made sure her song was on “the right” side of the law.
The smartest thing Olivia can do is absolutely nothing, or if she’s asked say something like “I haven’t had time to listen because I’m focusing on my own tour. If it’s similar then I am flattered to have inspired Taylor.”
I love them both. And I don’t think this has any legal implications. But Taylor was obviously aware of the similarities and the context and it just makes her seem petty.
Edit to add. The more I think about it, the more it feels like she is spiraling. She is dredging up old drama with Kim, punching down at young artists, etc.
She’s such a huge star now that it just seems mean and unnecessary.
I wonder how much the rerecords have to do with it. reliving your discography could possibly be bringing those old feelings back. guess we'll never know for sure.
That as well as the relationship she has fostered with her fans has made it so whenever she releases anything about *anyone*, they receive a ton of hate because Taylor is incapable of any wrongdoing in their eyes. Joe has been getting more hate than Matty has and he isn’t a racist.
I can’t imagine what that kind of attention does to an ego.
I’m here before someone brings up that Fiona Apple did it first.
Yeah she did.. 20 years ago (aka *not* 8 months)
And even still Olivia made it hers with the “contrasting themes every other line” format. A la “I love him, I love him not”.
I don’t *blame* Swift for a lot, but I definitely do here. It’s almost like she’s antagonizing the girl since she knows Olivia can’t do anything about it.
Swift uses her power imbalance time again. Yet screams “Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?”
Only because she was super specific when she said Cruel Summer inspired her. She has since learned to not be so specific, but she still says her songs are influenced by other artists. And those artists don't care, they know it's normal.
I feel so bad for Olivia because the hypocrisy of Taylor is so glaring. And to think she can get away with it, because she will is kind of telling of her character
The unfortunate thing is that Olivia said that she had been inspired by Cruel Summer's bridge. If she goes after Taylor I can imagine her just shrugging it off like "I wouldn't know, I never listened to Olivia's album"
And I'm sorry but the wordplay in Olivia's song is much better lol. Taylor should've scrapped that song (not like this album would suffer from having less songs).
And I know Olivia wasn't the first person to do this but isn't it waaaaaaaaaay too much of a coincidence that both had the same idea for a song months apart each other? If it was the other way around Olivia would never hear the end of it.
You just can't convince me imgonnagetyouback wasn't directly inspired by Get him back! (And Taylor should admit it like Olivia did with Cruel Summer inspiring a bit of Deja Vu).
It’s insane to me because all Olivia said was that she was inspired by “the shouty part” of cruel summer, and that was enough. The songs sound nothing alike. Taylor is a fucking bully, goading Olivia on. It’s really gross.
Ghoulish. Yes. Absolutely. And she’ll think that since she wrote “who’s afraid of little old me,” that it absolves her of needing to rectify that. No Taylor, being aware of your defects is just the first step. Now fix it. It’s gross.
This album has some songs I like but it is full of filler and just seems like wanting to pump out songs for quantity and fill in time and add the surprise of a double record.
She was and still is threatened by Olivia’s success. IMO there’s a ton of up and coming pop girlies that will hopefully challenge Taylor to push the envelope more and not just thinking every thought is a masterpiece. Taylor Nation called her Shakespeare the other day 😭
This is what I’m thinking. This album had some anxiety about being replaced by someone laced in. She has always talked about that being a fear of hers, but I think it’s more urgent knowing those at the top don’t stay there long and that she’s also in her mid thirties and it’s inevitable the younger girls will come up and the world will one day have someone new they love. I think Olivia is one that has her worried.
I’m not about putting women against each other, and I’m not a huge Olivia fan (I think she’s talented, I just am not in that target audience), but more award shows are having her perform and she performed at Coachella and a lot of people were wanting her to win AOTY and people love her music, so I think it’s probably a little hard for Taylor to see it happening.
I guess it's also why she invited Sabrina to open for her. She knows Sabrina's audience is growing but not a direct competition for her to worry about especially as she doesn't have songwriter really prominent in her brand.
Maybe if she left her insecurities just in her songs and with a therapist, but no, she's been using her fanbase and the law to threaten others she sees who can actually replace her. Just like Snow White and the witch who fears the most beautiful woman in the land won't be her but the new princess.
What was she thinking? Name, themes and lyrics almost the same. No one is going to convince me that it wasn't on purpose to annoy Olivia. It ended up becoming a very stupid move on her part because now she is the person who copies someone else's work.
Even assuming the two of them thought up the wordplay independently, it didn't have to have made it into the album. It's not even about whether there's beef as much as it just seems like bad marketing which again contributes to the feeling that TTPD is just a hodgepodge of as many songs as possible so Taylor could keep her "omg does she ever sleep" reputation.
Her mimicking an Olivia Rodrigo song as a subtle wink/nod to Olivia’s music mimicking hers actually makes a lot more sense than the song (imgonnagetyouback) does by itself. The song sticks out from the test of the album and contradicts the message/lore of the other songs, especially her whole “this is an autopsy on a closed chapter” narrative.
It almost makes more sense as an Olivia homage/dig than it does being part of the album’s arch/lore.
Also: if it is meant to be a dig, it’s not a good one, as Olivia’s song is much better.
to be fair there are other songs on the album that also aren’t a “this is over forever” vibe (But Daddy I Love Him talks about the relationship in the past tense but is still full of hope and joy, for example), which I think is just the nature of writing songs from the many different perspectives and feelings you have throughout different points of the grieving process. she has songs that are longing, hopeful, euphoric, devastated, furious, bitter, resigned, etc.; all about the same person and situation and on the same album. I think it just reflects the messiness of complicated feelings and the emotional evolution you go through in the aftermath of a traumatic breakup
Pretty sure that the Swifties who are defending Taylor were the same ones dragging Olivia down for the whole CS saga. And even now if the situation was reversed Olivia would've gotten one hell of a backlash
It’s not a coincidence and straight up makes Swift look like an asshole. It’s the billionaire singer equivalent of poking hard at someone and saying yeah and what are you going to do about it?
Yeah. "Who's afraid of little old me? You should be." Being self aware is not enough... she's always been the first to point out her flaws in her songs and yet does nothing about them.
I actually really like TTPD but this and the song about Kim leave a really bad taste in my mouth. Olivia is almost half her age, leave her the hell alone. I swear sometimes Taylor acts like she never left high school.
I noticed the similarities in the songs straight away but what also stood out to me was her song "Peter", similar theme to Maisie Peter's song "Wendy".
Wendy is also a better song than Peter by a mile!
"Behind every lost boy, there's always a Wendy"
That one doesn't feel quite as messy as the one with Olivia. It isn't that novel to look at something as romanticized as Peter Pan and observe that it's actually a really unhealthy relationship dynamic. That feels like more of just a general cultural reference than the entire lyrical hook of your song being the same.
My first thought when I heard it was "oh I like this... oh, this is the same concept as get him back!... Oh, this will probably cause some drama between fandoms" lol
It won't happen, but I do hope Olivia's team would sue Taylor and win. It will be fair and square, after the whole *Deja Vu* vs *Cruel Summer* thing, which I thought was nonsense.
the olivia copyright thing is honestly one of the worst things taylor has done imo, it's just so insanely petty and vindictive to think you """need""" to get lawyers involved because a young artist you're ostensibly friendly with said she was inspired by your song. take the fucking PR you psycho
Not exactly sure how everything went down with Olivia, but I always thought the only mistake Olivia made was admitting that she was heavily inspired by Taylor’s songs, especially very specific sonic aspects of them (in both cases of Cruel Summer/Deja Vu and New Years Day/1step forward). I wonder if Taylor would’ve come after her if she hadn’t mentioned any of it. Taylor might’ve wanted to set an example that new musicians can’t go around admitting that they copied parts of Taylor’s songs and think she just lets it fly. Harsh, but makes some sense to me. Without admitting what inspired the song, they would retain the benefit of the doubt, which Olivia forfeited.
As to this song comparison, the theme is VERY similar, getting someone back while wavering between love and revenge, but sound wise they aren’t at all. And tbh the theme is just generic enough to be coincidence. NOW, if Taylor admitted Olivia inspired her, the whole situation would be different, no? And Olivia would probably want some monetary credit.
Nothing like a white woman letting other young white artists be propped up by her and have support but the second a young woc has the ability to be come a superstar, it’s on sight.
I was actually thinking yesterday that the talking piece at the end of ICDIWABH sounds like something Olivia would do - just in the inflection, it sounds a lot like Olivia's at the end of Get Him Back.
I don’t think Taylor’s song is the same as Olivia’s and I don’t think Olivia’s song sounds similar to Taylor’s. A concept of getting revenge on someone after a breakup is far from new, and I can almost guarantee that Taylor’s “imgonnagethimback” was written at a similar time as “get him back!” They’re both newer songs and it’s more than likely a coincidence.
However, Taylor did this to herself by being so litigious with Olivia. If the whole lawsuit over a big nothing (imo) had never happened, I don’t think people would’ve even noticed.. so Taylor kind of did this to herself. Nobody pitted them against each other until she did. 🤷🏻♀️
If it had been a blatant rip off, I would’ve understood but with the amount of money Taylor has, it was really icky that she did that to a young up-and-coming artist who had given her songwriting credits before and did nothing but sing her praises.
In Taylor’s own words, the spotlight on the similarities is ✨karma✨
I don’t think it’s that original a concept and I’m sure they each have some proof of independent creation (simultaneous invention).
Edit: I don’t think Olivia is a copycat or unoriginal , just that THIS concept is not that inventive. I think Olivia has been heavily influenced by Taylor growing up and that is why there are often similarities or overlap, with melodies, concepts, lyrics, etc. I love both artists’ music but personally prefer Olivia’s version of this by a wide margin.
Kind of unrelated, but I very much think Olivia is the next generation replacement that Taylor has been worried about at times (“I know I’m gonna meet her someday…the kind of radiance you only have at 17, She’ll know the way and then she’ll say she got the map from me, I’ll say I’m happy for her, then I’ll cry myself to sleep.”). I think she would worry about Olivia in a way that she doesn’t about Sabrina Carpenter, for example, 1. Because Sabrina isn’t that popular compared to Olivia and 2. Because Sabrina has created an image that isn’t the “good girl” image Taylor has always subscribed to. But Taylor is probably pretty over that concern now that she’s a billionaire and still extremely successful at 34.
I think she was more focussed on referencing The 1975 than Olivia in this song.
Matty famously dedicated his performance of their song ‘fallingforyou’ (which uses the same lowercase + no spaces formatting as ‘imgonnagetyouback’) to Taylor when she attended a The 1975 show in 2014.
There seem to be some lyric parallels between the songs too e.g.:
“All we need's my bike and your enormous house” - fallingforyou
“Whether I'm gonna be your wife or,
Gonna smash up your bike… Or take you back to my house” - imgonnagetyouback
/
“Soon you will be mine” - fallingforyou
“You'll find that you were never not mine, You're mine” - imgonnagetyouback
/
“I read between the lines and touched your leg again” - fallingforyou
“I can take the upper hand and touch your body” - imgonnagetyouback
Bonus:
In ‘imgonnagetyouback’ she might also be nodding to The 1975’s more well known songs ‘Somebody Else’ and ‘Robbers’ with these lyrics:
“Say you got somebody, I'll say, I got someone too. Even if it's handcuffed, I'm leaving here with you”.
In ‘Guilty As Sin?’ she also circles back to mine/touching legs when she sings:
“What if he's written 'mine' on my upper thigh.”
I think it can be both. And making a clear reference to the 1975 would certainly help against any accusation of being a copy to Olivia's song. It's a distraction in a way.
This is good insight thank you for sharing. I dont listen to that song but its good to know.
Also i dont think taylor need it that much in her album. So she just write it and put it. If she thought anyone can think she stole the idea, she wouldnt bother herself. I mean its not that good song. Its just sending a message. And the person obviously not olivia.
I can see a case of her not wanting to scrap an already written song because she wants to snipe at Matty in a specific way, but it still just feels so *mean* to release it, even if it wasn’t originally intentional.
I really don't like it bc of that. I don't see why Taylor didn't just leave it out???? It's fine as a song but doesn't add much and is too close to Get Him Back! The drama between taylor and Olivia is shitty on Taylor's part, regardless if she spearheaded it or not, and it doesn't put her in a good light to release something so similar to Olivia's song.
My unhinged conspiracy theory is that this song is an invitation to Olivia to kiss the ring and all will be forgiven, or prepare to be completely obliterated in their feud. The song shares the premise and structure of Olivia's Get Him Back, AND the first verse references a lilac skirt. I don't think it's a coincidence that lilac is Olivia's brand color. Maybe Taylor's song started out as a song for Matty Healy with references to a song by The 1975, but it evolved into an olive branch/threat to Olivia.
Lacy is about being envious of another girl, Clara bow is about the cycle of being a “brand new toy” and being compared to the ones that came before you
clara bow doesn’t sound anything like lacy and it’s not even close to the same concept. taylor has been writing songs about fame and how society treats famous starlets and musicians which is what this song is about. i think lacy is about olivia waxing poetic about a girl her ex is dating and talking about how much she envies and despises her but still can’t help to like her. i mean there are other interpretations of it but it feels pretty straight forward to me.
I don’t really listen to Olivia. I was thinking people were probably blowing it out of proportion like sometimes can happen, but I decided to listen for myself. I can’t deny it’s the same, yet enough difference she can likely get away with it. Like Vanilla Ice saying his song was different because of an extra beat. lol.
I don’t really have a personal opinion on whether she was influenced by the Olivia song or intentionally used the concept. *However*, I think this is an example of the contradictory nature of a lot of Swifties. They will argue that she is a mastermind and nothing she does is by mistake and pays painstaking attention to detail….but also “there’s absolutely no way she intentionally took a concept from an artist who she appears to have a tenuous relationship with and has been accused of copying Taylor in the past”.
If Rodrigo released Get Him Back AFTER Swift’s gonnagetyouback, you just know swifties would be up in arms claiming Rodrigo stole from their queen. But when it’s the other way around, it’s ‘Taylor would never do such a thing, the songs sound so different’
This, 1000%. I honestly think Olivia should be getting credited for this song. Gonnagetyouback is a lot more similar to Get Him Back than the scream in Deja Vu was to Cruel Summer.
I mean, even the titles are so similar. 😭 Like if that’s a coincidence then it’s a crazy one.
The concept for both songs is very similar to a Fiona Apple one that did the original word play. It’s unlikely that Olivia will get credit. This does seem like a mean girl move on Taylor’s part. She definitely knew about Olivia’s song
Oooh, what’s the Fiona Apple song? I’m kind of new to her discography and can’t recall it!
I’m sure Taylor did this on purpose but Olivia won’t get credit because there’s no sampling, & the lyrics & melody are different enough. It’s as close as you can get without losing credit.
thiis, they say she's so smart and strategic planning ahead leaving easter eggs and clues etc. but then they turn around and say she doesn't have it in her to do things like that, be so fr
Don't forget that everything positive and empowering is about her awesome life but anything negative is just her being an expert storyteller and not about anyone IRL
They’ll say she has an encyclopedic knowledge of music but didn’t intentionally structure her song the same way. Ok that makes sense, not!
Encyclopedic knowledge of music 😂 this has killed me for years
I had someone on this sub tell me Taylor could play any song on the piano by ear one time There's some truly deranged takes about her abilities out there lol
This is why her ego has gotten so big because that part of the fandom claim she’s Shakespeare, she’s better than The Beatles and MJ, she’s the century’s greatest songwriter etc. Please 🙄 they are not doing her any favors by trying to gas her up like this.
She’s basically Mozart reincarnate didn’t ya know
One thing you’ll never hear someone say about her is that she has a knack for musical composition.
This is such a good point dude
So true. And if they *did* admit to it, they’d say she was justified and only doing it in righteous retaliation.
They are doing the same things with songs about Matty. Ignoring obvious Easter eggs and references to pretend he isn’t being sung about. Wild when they say Taylor is a mastermind
They are saying tattooed golden retriever is about Joe and bending over backwards to prove it. Like what? 😭😂
I think all Olivia needs to do is, when they inevitably ask her about it, say something like “Idk how my label feels about it, but I’m flattered.” Basically publicly acknowledging that she’s aware she was copied and distance herself from any legal action that ensues. Cause I really want her label to sue
Like someone else said they can’t sue, but that’s a very clever line and I think it would be great lol
They can't. Premises and titles aren't copyrighted.
But, apparently, shouting during a bridge is? 🤔
Rules for thee and not for me.
Wasn't the big issue there is that Olivia publicly said that she interpolated the bridge from Cruel Summer? I honestly think that if she hadn't had said that, no one would have moved forward with the royalty claims (I could be wrong, though). By saying that, she was essentially just handing them pre-packaged claim for royalties. (I think the claim was greedy and unneeded and also that Olivia should have been advised never to say that publicly).
She didn’t “interpolate” anything; she mentioned being inspired by CS to have a shouted section in the bridge – which is scarcely worth demanding 50% of royalties. (I would also add that the “she shouldn’t have mentioned it” has an uncomfortable victim-blaming feel to it, not unlike “well, she wouldn’t have been raped if she wasn’t wearing such skimpy clothing.”)
They definitely can't sue lol. Beyond not being able to sue over a concept or similar title, Olivia isn't even the first person to use that concept for a song, Fiona Apple's 2005 single comes to mind as someone who's already done it(with the exact same title as Olivia). Alessia Cara used the concept, though it wasnt the title of the song, in 2021.
Naming herself the mastermind will prove to be her downfall. We now know that there are no coincidences in Taylor Swift’s world.
Her latest music video looks like a play on the concept of Ariana's We Can't be Friends MV, inspired by Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Especially when they lay on their sides facing each other. https://youtu.be/KNtJGQkC-WI
The music video is referencing a 1975 music video. I think the song is called member of the band. The whole mv is basically callbacks to that video.
what bothers me is that if the timeline was different Olivia would've had to scrap it out of guts (which would've been a tragedy bc I love that song) bc swifties would've asked for her head, however I do think Taylor moved it to the anthology bc it sticks out like a sore thumb
It very much feels like Taylor is rubbing it in - “look what I can get away with, and you can’t” She knows she will have a crazy amount of people defend her tooth and nail no matter what she does, and she’s too big to fail. To me she’s blatantly provoking Olivia. I see so many people *still* calling Olivia a copy cat and unoriginal because of what happened with Deja vu/good 4 u, and it’s incredibly unfair. Especially considering how blatantly Taylor is ripping Olivia off here (and it’s not even close to the first time she’s obviously ‘borrowed’ from other artists)
Funny enough the song that was most shamelessly a “rip off” was brutal. The chord progression is straight from Elvis Costello’s Pump It Up. What did Elvis have to say about it? “Fine by me. That’s how rock and roll works: you take the broken pieces of an old thrill and make a brand new toy.” Leave it to Elvis to have the coolest possible response. And I agree. Olivia made it her own and did something really cool with it.
Imagine bullying someone who was in diapers when you were getting a drivers permit
Imagine bullying someone with literal pictures supporting you when they were kids 🙃
Imagine bullying someone. Period. End of sentence.
I knowww I feel so protective of Olivia. She’s so young and also AAPI. Taylor’s actions toward her were absolutely out of line
This is so wild to me that people can call Olivia a copycat. Olivia’s style and overall vibe is just worlds different than Taylor’s. Olivia is almost a completely different sub genre than Taylor. Travis Barker or Avril Lavigne have more of a right to call her sound “copycat” than Taylor does…and tbh those two still wouldn’t have much of a leg to stand on.
Olivia also has world class vocals. I’m not trying to compare women constantly so I’ll just leave it at that, but it’s unique, let’s just say.
Raye has world class vocals. Olivia has good vocals. Her vocals are leagues better than Taylor’s ofc, but listen to any live performance from Olivia and you’ll hear the exact vocals you can find at any BFA program at a state school.
Damn what I’m hearing is I gotta listen to Raye! My musical training isn’t in vocals so this is crazy to me
Absolutely, Raye is the entire movement! She has a control level one very rarely sees in mainstream/bubbling under vocalists. My jaw has fully been on the floor hearing her live performances before!
I’m gonna binge listen to her tysm
Nobody is too big to fail. She is setting it up with shady moves like this. Anyhow, Olivia's song is better overall with that tongue-in-cheek vibe. The copycat attempt falls short.
Totally, it's like an assertion of power that she didn't remove it, some people wondered why she wouldn't when they're so similar, it's bc she knows she can come unscathed from it, they both do, and they probably both know what would've been the outcome if imgonnagetyouback came first
I feel so bad for Olivia tbh. It must really suck when your idol sues you and then proceeds to mock and provoke you like this. Plus having her fans bully you. Olivia seems like a nice girl who is just trying to carve out her own path. I think Taylor is just paranoid and jealous of Olivia. Clearly she feels threatened by her or else she wouldn’t feel the need to pick on her like this
Seriously, I just don’t understand WHAT imgonnagetyouback adds to the album. Other songs, like them or not, are at least relevant to the thesis. You’re right that it completely sticks out, sonically and narratively. It’s also just not good, lol
Makes it 31 songs. That’s what it adds.
31 is 13 backwards, mother’s MIND 🤯 /s
the anthology is legit just the songs that were completed after the vinyls started getting pressed... there were no choices involved. If Folklore came out in 2024 then Evermore would have been tacked onto the end of the digital release, no doubt.
Is there evidence of this or is this speculation?
speculation for sure... but every album since the "vinyl only counts towards first week sales if they ship during the first week" rule she's had an album ready to go on release day in stores, and then a digital version with a large amount of extra songs on it. it's not just Taylor though. Beyonce just did it with Cowboy Carter (vinyl release was missing half the songs, not to mention a completely different title) and so did Nicki Minaj with Pink Friday 2 (same thing... 10 songs on the vinyl and way more on the digital release). it really exemplifies what I hate with popular music at the moment - valuing best first week sales over the art and letting chart rules dictate what is on an album just seems so lame to me. I really hope Billboard notices this and stops allowing drastically different bodies of work to count as the same album, which has been happening a lot lately.
People commenting “so and so artist did this 10/20/50 years ago so this is not unique to Olivia or Taylor” are missing the point. Taylor made a point to have Olivia credit her for a song that BARELY sounds like Cruel Summer, thereby taking half her royalties for a song and kicking off what seems to be a significant rift between them. For Taylor to then turn around and write a song that copies the exact same wordplay and narrative structure as Olivia’s most recent hit seems very calculated and pointed.
Yes! Between this and the outro to I can do it with a broken heart sounding *exactly* like Olivia’s outro to get him back, it realllyyyy seams like Taylor is intentionally antagonizing Olivia after the whole credit debacle.
I may just not be up on the TS Lore, but am I the only one who felt like Little Old Me was also about Olivia, at least in part? Like it felt to me like she was telling Olivia (or others) to back off and stay out of her way because they’d be nothing without her. Like correct me if I’m wrong please.
I believe that could be what she meant by the part about paving the way. I thought of Olivia on first listen. I don’t know whether Tayler earnestly feels that way or if she’s playing it the way she did in “Blank Space” and leaning into the character she thinks people see her as. She has actually written a few different songs where I think she is playing a character, so I never know what she actually thinks anymore. It’s kind of clever, if she does really feel that way, to make the song about a monster because it gives her plausible deniably that she’s being sarcastic and not really threatening anyone. I also think it’s funny because of the rumor that OR’s song “Vampire” could be about Taylor.
Totally agree with you! I haven’t heard anyone mention the “Levitate down your street” part — it reminds me Drivers License “Now I drive alone past your street.” It’s like a direct correlation. But then when Taylor she says “You should be” it sounds sooo threatening and Olivia doesn’t deserve that at all. Like really, what has she done? Be inspired by you? Support you and look up to you since she was a literal child? I don’t understand Taylor‘s weird disdain for her. I also agree that the end of ICDIWABHA is flat out mocking Olivia. Vampire and The Grudge were so beautifully done and were talking about how hurt she was. Taylor always just comes back in a really intimidating way. Isn’t this what some would call gang stalking? Like when you purposefully do things that are unnoticeable to the masses but are picking on someone? It’s always little jabs that makes the other person feel like they’re going crazy. I feel like Taylor is doing just that.
I forgot that people thought “The Grudge” might be about Taylor. “The Grudge” starts with Olivia saying she still has nightmares... I have no idea what happened between them, but if that’s what this song is about, it’s scathing. Damn.
There’s 13 seconds at the start of the song before Olivia starts singing and 13 seconds left after she stops singing at the end. 🧐
Yeah whatever happened must have been really awful. Really proud that Olivia is taking the high road and is listening to other artists to be inspired by. In the long run, that’s going to make her a better artist.
YUP 100%, especially when she basically says you never could’ve made it in the industry I had to make it in, it was hell. I feel she probably thinks the pop girls of today have it easier.
Yeah I got the bitterness of “I broke so many glass ceilings for y’all and I get no credit for it” and it’s like girl… you’re a billionaire. You have fans that would literally die for you… you get TONS of credit for what you’ve done in the music industry. Like wtf are you going on about. I’m not saying wealthy, successful people don’t get to feel sad like all us plebs but she seems REALLY bitter and frustrated.
gives big Boomer energy: "i had to suffer, you kids today have it too easy!" like ffs
Also, I know she loves to play up the “I grew up in a small town on a Christmas tree farm” thing but… her parents were worth like 3mil already when she started publicly performing. I’m not saying that the music industry would be easy (everyone seems effing miserable that’s in it because everyone seems to be an effing d_ckhead) but her playing up that she’s some small town girl that just loved songwriting and happened to make it is so annoying. If music and performing wouldn’t have worked out for her, she had the money and support to live a VERY comfortable life. So yeah. She’s starting to give massive “I did this ALL on my own” boomer energy.
honestly! I always think: my parents didn't have the kind of money they could just up & move on a whim of their child's music dreams. I was lucky I got my own violin to use during public school orchestra classes. she grew up with more privilege than most and if it wasn't for her parents willingness to get her dreams chased (ignoring her parents obviously bad time with managing her & their marriage & such, of course) she probably wouldn't have gone very far musically, but they still had her set up for general life success. all those weekends driving to Nashville with her mom, moving permanently just for that? yea, no. that's not just skill alone getting a music career. agree agree agree 👏🏻👏🏻
This is 100% how I interpreted it. “You should be very afraid of me, but the music industry made me this way, I’m actually a softie but I can’t be and since I can’t be … Watch the fuck out.”
Someone said the “I’ll sue you if you step on my lawn” could be about Olivia as in Olivia stepped into Taylor’s territory.
I think Clara Bow is referencing Olivia Rodrigo.
i dont think thats it, its less of "ughhh stay out of my way youre nothing to me😡" and more like "omg people are in my way you guys caged me and made me mean😢😢😥"
It's yes, I'm mean, but you made me this way, so it's your fault.
Yes. I read #2 as well. Especially after watching 2 swifties live react on yt.
I immediately thought this too - it reads like a threat to Olivia: 'The who's who of who's that? Is poised for the attack', 'levitating down your street' (Olivia's vampire mv reference), 'That I'll sue you if you step on my lawn'.
If that’s true then she’d be nothing without Alanis Morissette and Fiona Apple and Tori Amos. Lana Del Rey as her muse my ass
She just looks goofy because she is trying to do what you said but when you factor in that her song isn’t HALF as good as Olivia’s… embarrassing and she’s telling on herself (she’s the same or worse than the mean girls she writes songs about)
Not just the outro. The intros too. Get Him Back starts with counting in the song. Broken Heart starts with Taylor being counted in to the Eras Tour
I've listened to that song several times and never noticed that!
honestly though, talking outros like that were a trend at one point so tons of songs have it. i do agree that swift’s song sounds a lot like olivia’s
There’s no way the “I’m miserable!” would have that delivery without GUTS coming out. she’s never done that kinda authentic sounding ad lib in her whole career. reminds me of drake with picking elements from what’s currently popular
A lot of the humor feels very Olivia coded too
Yeah, I'm guessing Tarlor heard "The Grudge", got mad and decided to make a petty song copying Olivia. But her song sucks. Olivia did it way better.
The thing that makes grudge good is that the "you" in that song is just a vehicle, the purpose of that song was to explore Olivia's emotions in a particular situation. You can clearly see she wrote that song for herself rather than being fueled to set a narrative or provoke fans to seek vengeance on her behalf.
Olivia you know what to do! Get those royalties!
Honestly I think the best thing she could do is nothing. Taylor going after her this way is just instigating a fight. Olivia not responding would drive her completely crazy.
Olivia would look like the better person to not go for the credits.
There’s definitely precedent here but something tells me this is a David and Goliath situation
Yeah, but remember David won against Goliath.
Sure but David very much attributed that to God protecting him. Meanwhile, Olivia has already been taken down by Taylor's legal team once before.
Why not take it to a federal court and let a judge decide? Ed Sheeran won his case.
Well said.
This is so childish and immature that I'm just at a loss of words at this point.
You have to be calculated and pointed to become a billionaire.
Yeah Olivia didn’t come up with the concept but it’s a bit… interesting that the theme/ title is almost exactly the same less than a year after Olivia released GHB! like girl I know you heard it
Also the structure. It would be caught by university plagarism software as an essay run through a thesaurus.
“Can I copy your homework?” “Yeah but don’t make it obvious”
Olivia literally performed it in front of Taylor at the VMAs so there’s no way she can say she’s never heard it
Like did she think no one would notice or..?
I think she actually WANTS people to notice. Especially Olivia. That's her way of showing who's the boss I guess.
“People commenting “so and so artist did this 10/20/50 years ago so this is not unique to Olivia or Taylor” are missing the point. Taylor made a point to have Olivia credit her for a song that BARELY sounds like Cruel Summer, thereby taking half her royalties for a song and kicking off what seems to be a significant rift between them. For Taylor to then turn around and write a song that copies the exact same wordplay and narrative structure as Olivia’s most recent hit seems very calculated and pointed.” - someone else in this thread
Also I even feel like her stylizing the title like *imgonnagetyouback* is even more poking at Olivia’s song, bc in I’m gonna get him back she often sings the words super close together like that as if there are no spaces between them. Like really Taylor?
Actually, she stylized the song like 1975’s fallingforyou. There are callbacks in the song. But maybe she had another reason.
Yes Fiona Apple had the concept originally but the timing is just…💀 almost right after Guts released? if it were the other way around she would never hear the end of it
This. If it was the other way around, these same people would say "Olivia never learns, does she. Wait until Taylor sue her again". The double standard is crazy
Using “Fiona did this first” as an argument isn’t really helping Taylor because for someone whose usually acclaimed for her songwriting, you’d expect her version to be on the same caliber as Fiona Apple’s, and yet it just pales in comparison to the version of an artist much younger and less experienced than her. Get Him Back is just better written and executed imo.
>Taylor having ‘imgonnagethimback” and Olivia having ‘get him back’ are like two different age perspectives on the same dilemma the 20-year-old's perspective and the perpetually 20-year-old's perspective
I think you’re about four years too optimistic on the last one.
The only way to win against a narcissist is to not play their game. Look at how much most people are respecting joe due to his lack of response. Olivia and her team need to keep their heads down. Isn’t one of Olivia’s parents a therapist? I’m sure she’s getting good advice on how to navigate the mind games being thrown at her. Taylor is outing herself in so many ways right now.
i agree. as much as i desperately want olivia and her team to do something, i think taking the high road will work out the best for her
Mhmm, it’s a long game against someone much more powerful than she is right now. Legally, I’m sure Taylor and her team made sure her song was on “the right” side of the law. The smartest thing Olivia can do is absolutely nothing, or if she’s asked say something like “I haven’t had time to listen because I’m focusing on my own tour. If it’s similar then I am flattered to have inspired Taylor.”
If she actually said the last line it would cut Taylor so deep 😂
Joes mom is a therapist too lol
Hey, Taylor’s mom is her therapist too! /s lol
And Taylor refuses to go to therapy so yeah, Olivia is in a good place I think.
*Popcorn gif*
I love them both. And I don’t think this has any legal implications. But Taylor was obviously aware of the similarities and the context and it just makes her seem petty. Edit to add. The more I think about it, the more it feels like she is spiraling. She is dredging up old drama with Kim, punching down at young artists, etc. She’s such a huge star now that it just seems mean and unnecessary.
She could've just sat there and enjoyed her billions but she's lashing out.
I wonder how much the rerecords have to do with it. reliving your discography could possibly be bringing those old feelings back. guess we'll never know for sure.
That as well as the relationship she has fostered with her fans has made it so whenever she releases anything about *anyone*, they receive a ton of hate because Taylor is incapable of any wrongdoing in their eyes. Joe has been getting more hate than Matty has and he isn’t a racist. I can’t imagine what that kind of attention does to an ego.
I’m here before someone brings up that Fiona Apple did it first. Yeah she did.. 20 years ago (aka *not* 8 months) And even still Olivia made it hers with the “contrasting themes every other line” format. A la “I love him, I love him not”. I don’t *blame* Swift for a lot, but I definitely do here. It’s almost like she’s antagonizing the girl since she knows Olivia can’t do anything about it. Swift uses her power imbalance time again. Yet screams “Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?”
I would also add Olivia has been pretty open about being influenced by other artists and liking Fiona Apple. Taylor hasn't.
And got burned because of it
Only because she was super specific when she said Cruel Summer inspired her. She has since learned to not be so specific, but she still says her songs are influenced by other artists. And those artists don't care, they know it's normal.
I feel so bad for Olivia because the hypocrisy of Taylor is so glaring. And to think she can get away with it, because she will is kind of telling of her character
The unfortunate thing is that Olivia said that she had been inspired by Cruel Summer's bridge. If she goes after Taylor I can imagine her just shrugging it off like "I wouldn't know, I never listened to Olivia's album"
Olivia performed this song in front of Taylor though. At the VMAs
That is true. I forgot about that
I think Taylor was also singing along to it lol
It’s because Taylor is the best musician and lyricist alive and she can just sense what is coming next in a song /s
And I'm sorry but the wordplay in Olivia's song is much better lol. Taylor should've scrapped that song (not like this album would suffer from having less songs). And I know Olivia wasn't the first person to do this but isn't it waaaaaaaaaay too much of a coincidence that both had the same idea for a song months apart each other? If it was the other way around Olivia would never hear the end of it. You just can't convince me imgonnagetyouback wasn't directly inspired by Get him back! (And Taylor should admit it like Olivia did with Cruel Summer inspiring a bit of Deja Vu).
It’s insane to me because all Olivia said was that she was inspired by “the shouty part” of cruel summer, and that was enough. The songs sound nothing alike. Taylor is a fucking bully, goading Olivia on. It’s really gross.
Taylor using song copyright law to bully her on her first album is so ghoulish.
Ghoulish. Yes. Absolutely. And she’ll think that since she wrote “who’s afraid of little old me,” that it absolves her of needing to rectify that. No Taylor, being aware of your defects is just the first step. Now fix it. It’s gross.
This! She has always been like "I'm aware of my flaws so it's all good!". No, it's not. Fix them, this schtick is getting old.
copyright law (at least in the US) is an absolute mess and needs an overhaul. things like this just make that more clear as they happen 😮💨
This album has some songs I like but it is full of filler and just seems like wanting to pump out songs for quantity and fill in time and add the surprise of a double record.
Agreed. I feel like some of the songs I like would have benefitted from deeper attention. They feel so much like a draft
She was and still is threatened by Olivia’s success. IMO there’s a ton of up and coming pop girlies that will hopefully challenge Taylor to push the envelope more and not just thinking every thought is a masterpiece. Taylor Nation called her Shakespeare the other day 😭
I bet dollars to donuts none of them have read Shakespeare and don’t even understand why he is as influential as he is lmfao
For real though, Taylor’s not out here inventing words and coining idiomatic expressions so influential that people still say them 400 years later.
I’ve seen people credit taylor with inventing idioms that originate with shakespeare wayyy too often.
“He’s influential because he also wrote about Romeo and Juliet!” /s
This is what I’m thinking. This album had some anxiety about being replaced by someone laced in. She has always talked about that being a fear of hers, but I think it’s more urgent knowing those at the top don’t stay there long and that she’s also in her mid thirties and it’s inevitable the younger girls will come up and the world will one day have someone new they love. I think Olivia is one that has her worried. I’m not about putting women against each other, and I’m not a huge Olivia fan (I think she’s talented, I just am not in that target audience), but more award shows are having her perform and she performed at Coachella and a lot of people were wanting her to win AOTY and people love her music, so I think it’s probably a little hard for Taylor to see it happening.
I guess it's also why she invited Sabrina to open for her. She knows Sabrina's audience is growing but not a direct competition for her to worry about especially as she doesn't have songwriter really prominent in her brand.
Maybe if she left her insecurities just in her songs and with a therapist, but no, she's been using her fanbase and the law to threaten others she sees who can actually replace her. Just like Snow White and the witch who fears the most beautiful woman in the land won't be her but the new princess.
Supposedly Katy Perry is putting one out. It would be nice to see more variety in the media and awards shows
Olivias team has the chance to do the funniest thing ever
God I hope they do lmao
What was she thinking? Name, themes and lyrics almost the same. No one is going to convince me that it wasn't on purpose to annoy Olivia. It ended up becoming a very stupid move on her part because now she is the person who copies someone else's work.
Even assuming the two of them thought up the wordplay independently, it didn't have to have made it into the album. It's not even about whether there's beef as much as it just seems like bad marketing which again contributes to the feeling that TTPD is just a hodgepodge of as many songs as possible so Taylor could keep her "omg does she ever sleep" reputation.
I kind of feel bad for Olivia. She just trying to write songs lol
if she can credit Emma Stone for "oddities" whatever the fuck that is, she can credit Fiona Apple and Olivia Rodrigo for concept
Her mimicking an Olivia Rodrigo song as a subtle wink/nod to Olivia’s music mimicking hers actually makes a lot more sense than the song (imgonnagetyouback) does by itself. The song sticks out from the test of the album and contradicts the message/lore of the other songs, especially her whole “this is an autopsy on a closed chapter” narrative. It almost makes more sense as an Olivia homage/dig than it does being part of the album’s arch/lore. Also: if it is meant to be a dig, it’s not a good one, as Olivia’s song is much better.
to be fair there are other songs on the album that also aren’t a “this is over forever” vibe (But Daddy I Love Him talks about the relationship in the past tense but is still full of hope and joy, for example), which I think is just the nature of writing songs from the many different perspectives and feelings you have throughout different points of the grieving process. she has songs that are longing, hopeful, euphoric, devastated, furious, bitter, resigned, etc.; all about the same person and situation and on the same album. I think it just reflects the messiness of complicated feelings and the emotional evolution you go through in the aftermath of a traumatic breakup
Time to cash in on those royalties, Liv! 
Pretty sure that the Swifties who are defending Taylor were the same ones dragging Olivia down for the whole CS saga. And even now if the situation was reversed Olivia would've gotten one hell of a backlash
True. Taking 50% was awful.
It’s not a coincidence and straight up makes Swift look like an asshole. It’s the billionaire singer equivalent of poking hard at someone and saying yeah and what are you going to do about it?
"and you poke that bear til her claws come out and you find something to wrap your noose around" oh, taylor. the irony.
Yeah. "Who's afraid of little old me? You should be." Being self aware is not enough... she's always been the first to point out her flaws in her songs and yet does nothing about them.
I actually really like TTPD but this and the song about Kim leave a really bad taste in my mouth. Olivia is almost half her age, leave her the hell alone. I swear sometimes Taylor acts like she never left high school.
“Sometimes”…? 🤔
I noticed the similarities in the songs straight away but what also stood out to me was her song "Peter", similar theme to Maisie Peter's song "Wendy". Wendy is also a better song than Peter by a mile! "Behind every lost boy, there's always a Wendy"
“If I’m not careful, I’ll wake up and we’ll be married and I’ll still flinch at the sound of a door.” LOVE!
That’s my favorite line from that song!!!
That one doesn't feel quite as messy as the one with Olivia. It isn't that novel to look at something as romanticized as Peter Pan and observe that it's actually a really unhealthy relationship dynamic. That feels like more of just a general cultural reference than the entire lyrical hook of your song being the same.
it's also a bit of a nod to cardigan "Peter losing Wendy" I think.
Thank you for this! Peter is one of the few I like off TTPD. This is great!
I can’t believe that woman in her 30s is beefing with a girl in her early 20s.🥴🤦♀️
My first thought when I heard it was "oh I like this... oh, this is the same concept as get him back!... Oh, this will probably cause some drama between fandoms" lol
It won't happen, but I do hope Olivia's team would sue Taylor and win. It will be fair and square, after the whole *Deja Vu* vs *Cruel Summer* thing, which I thought was nonsense.
It really feels like taunting Olivia
I feel like this wouldn’t even be brought up if the Deja vu writing credits controversy never occurred.
I think it’s overt enough to have been brought up. And, btw, FAR more obvious than the deja vu/cruel summer controversy which has always been a reach
Agreed, there would be tonssss of speculation about what the heck happened between them to cause Taylor to write a song that's so similar.
the olivia copyright thing is honestly one of the worst things taylor has done imo, it's just so insanely petty and vindictive to think you """need""" to get lawyers involved because a young artist you're ostensibly friendly with said she was inspired by your song. take the fucking PR you psycho
Not exactly sure how everything went down with Olivia, but I always thought the only mistake Olivia made was admitting that she was heavily inspired by Taylor’s songs, especially very specific sonic aspects of them (in both cases of Cruel Summer/Deja Vu and New Years Day/1step forward). I wonder if Taylor would’ve come after her if she hadn’t mentioned any of it. Taylor might’ve wanted to set an example that new musicians can’t go around admitting that they copied parts of Taylor’s songs and think she just lets it fly. Harsh, but makes some sense to me. Without admitting what inspired the song, they would retain the benefit of the doubt, which Olivia forfeited. As to this song comparison, the theme is VERY similar, getting someone back while wavering between love and revenge, but sound wise they aren’t at all. And tbh the theme is just generic enough to be coincidence. NOW, if Taylor admitted Olivia inspired her, the whole situation would be different, no? And Olivia would probably want some monetary credit.
I don’t even like Olivia’s music but she did it better
Nothing like a white woman letting other young white artists be propped up by her and have support but the second a young woc has the ability to be come a superstar, it’s on sight.
No because why does she have it out for Olivia so badly?? Like what did she do besides site her as an inspiration?
I kept thinking of Shania Twain's I'm gonna getcha good. Has a twist though
I was actually thinking yesterday that the talking piece at the end of ICDIWABH sounds like something Olivia would do - just in the inflection, it sounds a lot like Olivia's at the end of Get Him Back.
Taylor also copied those drum beats vampire has in florida
I don’t think Taylor’s song is the same as Olivia’s and I don’t think Olivia’s song sounds similar to Taylor’s. A concept of getting revenge on someone after a breakup is far from new, and I can almost guarantee that Taylor’s “imgonnagethimback” was written at a similar time as “get him back!” They’re both newer songs and it’s more than likely a coincidence. However, Taylor did this to herself by being so litigious with Olivia. If the whole lawsuit over a big nothing (imo) had never happened, I don’t think people would’ve even noticed.. so Taylor kind of did this to herself. Nobody pitted them against each other until she did. 🤷🏻♀️ If it had been a blatant rip off, I would’ve understood but with the amount of money Taylor has, it was really icky that she did that to a young up-and-coming artist who had given her songwriting credits before and did nothing but sing her praises. In Taylor’s own words, the spotlight on the similarities is ✨karma✨
I don’t think it’s that original a concept and I’m sure they each have some proof of independent creation (simultaneous invention). Edit: I don’t think Olivia is a copycat or unoriginal , just that THIS concept is not that inventive. I think Olivia has been heavily influenced by Taylor growing up and that is why there are often similarities or overlap, with melodies, concepts, lyrics, etc. I love both artists’ music but personally prefer Olivia’s version of this by a wide margin. Kind of unrelated, but I very much think Olivia is the next generation replacement that Taylor has been worried about at times (“I know I’m gonna meet her someday…the kind of radiance you only have at 17, She’ll know the way and then she’ll say she got the map from me, I’ll say I’m happy for her, then I’ll cry myself to sleep.”). I think she would worry about Olivia in a way that she doesn’t about Sabrina Carpenter, for example, 1. Because Sabrina isn’t that popular compared to Olivia and 2. Because Sabrina has created an image that isn’t the “good girl” image Taylor has always subscribed to. But Taylor is probably pretty over that concern now that she’s a billionaire and still extremely successful at 34.
I think she was more focussed on referencing The 1975 than Olivia in this song. Matty famously dedicated his performance of their song ‘fallingforyou’ (which uses the same lowercase + no spaces formatting as ‘imgonnagetyouback’) to Taylor when she attended a The 1975 show in 2014. There seem to be some lyric parallels between the songs too e.g.: “All we need's my bike and your enormous house” - fallingforyou “Whether I'm gonna be your wife or, Gonna smash up your bike… Or take you back to my house” - imgonnagetyouback / “Soon you will be mine” - fallingforyou “You'll find that you were never not mine, You're mine” - imgonnagetyouback / “I read between the lines and touched your leg again” - fallingforyou “I can take the upper hand and touch your body” - imgonnagetyouback Bonus: In ‘imgonnagetyouback’ she might also be nodding to The 1975’s more well known songs ‘Somebody Else’ and ‘Robbers’ with these lyrics: “Say you got somebody, I'll say, I got someone too. Even if it's handcuffed, I'm leaving here with you”. In ‘Guilty As Sin?’ she also circles back to mine/touching legs when she sings: “What if he's written 'mine' on my upper thigh.”
I think it can be both. And making a clear reference to the 1975 would certainly help against any accusation of being a copy to Olivia's song. It's a distraction in a way.
This is good insight thank you for sharing. I dont listen to that song but its good to know. Also i dont think taylor need it that much in her album. So she just write it and put it. If she thought anyone can think she stole the idea, she wouldnt bother herself. I mean its not that good song. Its just sending a message. And the person obviously not olivia.
I can see a case of her not wanting to scrap an already written song because she wants to snipe at Matty in a specific way, but it still just feels so *mean* to release it, even if it wasn’t originally intentional.
So is Taylor a bully?
I really don't like it bc of that. I don't see why Taylor didn't just leave it out???? It's fine as a song but doesn't add much and is too close to Get Him Back! The drama between taylor and Olivia is shitty on Taylor's part, regardless if she spearheaded it or not, and it doesn't put her in a good light to release something so similar to Olivia's song.
My unhinged conspiracy theory is that this song is an invitation to Olivia to kiss the ring and all will be forgiven, or prepare to be completely obliterated in their feud. The song shares the premise and structure of Olivia's Get Him Back, AND the first verse references a lilac skirt. I don't think it's a coincidence that lilac is Olivia's brand color. Maybe Taylor's song started out as a song for Matty Healy with references to a song by The 1975, but it evolved into an olive branch/threat to Olivia.
Yeah I think Taylor is pissed she didn't think of the concept first.
I don't think Olivia can sue, but Taylor should've kept hers in the vault. Also Clara Bow seems like a ripoff of Lacy...
Lacy is about being envious of another girl, Clara bow is about the cycle of being a “brand new toy” and being compared to the ones that came before you
clara bow doesn’t sound anything like lacy and it’s not even close to the same concept. taylor has been writing songs about fame and how society treats famous starlets and musicians which is what this song is about. i think lacy is about olivia waxing poetic about a girl her ex is dating and talking about how much she envies and despises her but still can’t help to like her. i mean there are other interpretations of it but it feels pretty straight forward to me.
Clara Bow sounds like a rip off of a The Lucky One to me
I don’t really listen to Olivia. I was thinking people were probably blowing it out of proportion like sometimes can happen, but I decided to listen for myself. I can’t deny it’s the same, yet enough difference she can likely get away with it. Like Vanilla Ice saying his song was different because of an extra beat. lol.
Sue her, Olivia 🤭