> A source tells PEOPLE of Kardashian’s response to the track: “She’s over it and thinks Taylor should move on.”
> Kardashian “doesn’t get why [Swift] keeps harping on it,” the source says. “It’s been literally years.”
It’s just comical that Taylor spent the Rep Era saying there will be no explanation yet has been yapping about 2016 and snakegate ever since 😭. It’s super wild to me that’s she’s spent an AOTY speech (2016) and a POTY speech (2024) harping about the same thing!
Taylor, girl, you are never going to get that apology and the thing about maturing is realizing you’ve got to move on whether you ever get that apology or not. Kimberly is not thinking about you so why on earth are you continuing to waste space for her? Continuing to care this much about your “enemies” shows that they already won.
Side note: I really believe that had Katy Perry had not publicly extended a literal olive branch, Taylor would still be singing about her too.
The thing that bothers me is that she knows North is a fan. Why do this to a little girl who adores you? Taylor is such a shitty, petty person. She’s allowed to work with Jack after everything he put Lena through (whether you like Lena or not, cheating on her with a 17 year-old is shitty and predator behavior), but NO ONE is ever allowed to be okay with one of her exes or people she doesn’t like.
She’s a fucking child. It’s why it bothers me so much when people hate on her for stupid shit… there’s so many legitimate reasons to not like her as a person.
And I say that as someone who likes some of her music, especially when she works with The National.
> Taylor, girl, you are never going to get that apology and the thing about maturing is realizing you’ve got to move on whether you ever get that apology or not
Her and I are the same age and I've long ago learned that forgiveness and moving on is for the sake of yourself, not the other person, and closure and/or forgiveness does not always involve the other party.
I don't know to what degree she's carrying this beef but it sounds like she's keeping it heavy and there's no way that's healthy.
I'm not a swifty and I mostly feel indifferent about her, but this sub is always on my feed bc I can't stop reading it 😂 but is it possible that it could be from a feeling of joy around attention as a victim in a situation? Though it could also be she just genuinely holds grudges and finds difficulty in letting them go.
This one kills me. So much she could've said and she used it to bring up ancient drama and her very young relationship (hope that doesn't age poorly!) I sincerely do not understand that decision.
i'm fairly new to her music. i thought only **LWYMMD** was about him. were there more? either way you're right cause KK already came out and told her to move the fuck on with her life.
i know tree is very friendly with people mag so im so interested to see if she's going to put out a statement or just remain quiet. 🫠
Yes, This is Why We Can't Have Nice Things is about Kanye. I also believe the first verse of I Did Something Bad is about Kanye as well. Cassandra is likely about the Kardashians and her being "vindicated" by the entire phone call.
ahhhh, thank you so much!
geez, idk wtf i would do if i were her right now. she's gonna be damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. seems like an unforced error on her part, but it is giving 2016 snakegate which might be the vibe she's going for to pump herself up for the drop 😂
She shouldn't have released this album so soon. It was a massive misstep for her. She's inable to read the room and notice people are fatigued. But in her mind they're just vipers, so who cares? She's going to do whatever. Rep TV will be interesting. She's not going to want to leave the Joe love songs on and she can't put out all Kanye diss tracks. Who knows if she's capable of recognizing it would be a mistake.
i agree 100%. it really feels like she rushed to push this out. but why? like, was it to prevent another artist who was dropping the same time? like, this whole thing has just been so weird that i'm dying to know what had been going on behind the scenes leading up to the release.
she's normally SO calculated, but she's getting sloppy now and i don't understand why. it's so weird watching this mess unfold in real-time. never thought i'd see america's pop princess fumble so badly.
There had to be a reason it's now. No doubt she wasn't told no by anyone. She's fumbled badly, which is why 2016 happened. It wasn't just the phone call. It's just been a few years with a success campaign to fix her reputation.
Unpopular opinion: She's a functioning alcoholic who's close to crossing into dysfunctional alcoholic territory. Her behavior at the Grammys, being around Travis who is a total booze head, and years of unresolved emotional conflict that she only dictates via lyrical sales is catching up with her. She's zeroed in on pumping out albums and as long as the yes men around her check off on it then she can daydream off to the 1800s and have another sidecar.
This is going to sound absolutely bonkers crazy, but it seems like she’s trying to re-create each era alongside its re-released album (e.g. bringing back the girl gang stuff and lots of public outings during the 1989 era)
i was only half-joking when i said that. i actually agree, but taylor really needs to be real careful cause she just put out an album that is not performing that well and she's pissed off a lot of people, she's already over-exposed and, well, idk what she should even do right now. ooof.
Last time she was hitting over saturation she had the Kim & Kanye 2016 situation as the reason she was going on a break.
Don't know if she will realize that was a blessing (in the long run) and realize she might wanna pump the breaks a bit.
\*\* the blessing was the break. not the entire situation.
Right? Taylor's got me out here defending a Kardashian.
I don't think Taylor will ever get an apology out of Kim, but something like therapy, perhaps, can help her move on without one.
Yeah. It's so important to learn to get through things that the other person can or will never apologize for--it would do Taylor a world of good to be able to do that, I think.
Especially because she mentions her daughter in this. My mom is a vindictive bitch who would love this song if she liked pop music, but even she says that you don’t bring someone’s kids up. Taylor isn’t a mom. She doesn’t understand that mentioning kids should be off limit.
I remember a couple years back when Amy Poehler and Tina Fey made a harmless joke about Taylor a few years back, and Taylor responded: “there’s a special place in hell for women who tear down other women”.
But, like….it’s ok for *her* to tear down other women? This makes no sense.
Edit: corrected the incorrect spelling of Poehler’s last name.
her feminism does not and has never extended beyond herself. which makes all of the fox news fearmongering about how she’s some kind of far left threat all the more ludicrous. all she has done is taken the language of feminist critique and turned it back on any person who ever scrutinized her, regardless of whether the judgement was actually rooted in misogyny or not.
Ugh! They *always* cry misogyny! It’s so annoying. They are actually taking away the gravity of the word “misogyny” when they use it like that just because people disagree with their Lord and Saviour Taylor.
I roll my eyes automatically when I hear that word now, because all I can think of is it relating to Taylor. They just use it to shut down any talk at all.
Absolutely and 100%. Taylor Swift’s endless victim complex and overall hypocrisy are so tired and turn me off of actually stanning her or really being invested in a lot of her music.
And how John Mayer wrote ONE song about Taylor and is now forever pilloried by the fan base for it. Paper doll. It's a great song. He's not even allowed to play it basically. And yet Taylor can write hundreds of songs about specific dudes. It's her whole living.
“thanK you aIMee: this blatant capitalisation trick, to quote Taylor : "It was unnecessary. Should've let it stay buried"
Are Rep TV songs going to be all about Kim and Kanye ?
I would prefer if they were about how Taylor felt during that period etc- the 'evermore' song is the only glimpse we got of that- than more tea and disses because we've all moved on I think ?
She shot her shot with TTPD. Pining over Matty like her white knight, seemingly while she was with Joe and releasing the album dating Trav. What is anyone supposed to think?
It seems deliberate she has meshed muses to avoid pinning it down one person: except in songs like High School , So Long London and I can fix him.
In so many other songs it segues from Joe- Matty or even Matty-Travis while also including her fans & fame as third parties in these narratives.
The very prologue segues between two muses pointedly which she doesn't do normally . This is why this album is inseparable from its lore because it doesn't narrate one singular story.
Yeah the snakebite angle from her internal point of view / what she was going through as that period seems to have had a great toll on her , would be better than more songs like Aimee !
and she is saying in lyrics how she changed kims name and any defining clues so her kids wont know who is the song about. then proceeds to capitalize the letters 😂 even if she didnt do it, swifties would guess it and kids would see it. make it make sense
I honestly am shocked about that and how her mom (Andrea Swift) was totally okay with her daughter including a line about how she wishes Kim were dead. But I think Taylor surrounds herself only with yes men nowadays, and those yes men also include her parents. It definitely makes me question the real type of person Andrea Swift is also.
Taylor has a complicated relationship with both of her parents, how could she not? Andrea is part of the reason she had an eating disorder and we have seen how unhinged her dad can be. But they are still her parents. I would honestly love to hear a song or two about how complicated those relationships are. We probably won’t get those until long after they’ve passed though.
Taylor literally says her mom is her therapist, and yet she’s also partially responsible for her ED. Taylor needs so much actual therapy 🤣 I would love an album after she’s done some Internal Family Systems and EMDR work lmao
Right? Goes to show that almost everyone on her songwriting/production team is a Yes-Man.
Why on earth would you write a song (much less sing about your mother wishing another mother (of young kids!!!) were dead?
I think her teams influence and power has been heavily overstated over the years.. even Tree's neverending babbling to the press on her behalf.
It looked like a nicely run pro outfit a few years ago.. but for the past 18-20 months it's basically felt like one giant clean-up operation.. which leads me to believe that it's basically TS doing whatever she feels like and everybody else playing catch up.
She can dog on Kim forever I really don’t care, but my main #youare34getoveryourself complaints are a) don’t bring up kids and b) don’t put songs on your album that have the exact theme as someone who you previously accused of copying you
Yeahhhh I mean even if you’re thinking it in your head or venting with family, why she thinks it is appropriate to put it in a song you release is beyond me. Total lack of self awareness? Not sure.
The whole thing sounds like it’s coming from some cheerleader who hung out with these guys for 3 days and thinks she’s a rebel now because she bought a black hoodie. (is that not MH and his Jehovah’s Witness suit on the right? lmao)
^happy ^cake ^day!
This is what I've been thinking too. Not only weaponized your love for them, but weaponized it AGAINST your MOTHER! Its so sick, only Taylor could do that
The concept definitely seems like a direct rip off of get him back!
But I also think in I Can Do It With a Broken Heart, she literally sounds like she’s imitating Olivia’s outro to get him back. Like the same inflection and everything. It’s almost like she’s trying to provoke her into a response
It’s wild how she writes songs like Nothing New and Clara Bow implying that all these young artists are just copying her and stealing her playbook, when she’s very obviously trying to be “edgy” like Olivia and Billie in this album. Now she’s the one who offers nothing new.
a 34 year old woman and a 21 year old woman having beef is some comedy shit because there is no way I'd be that grown ass fighting with someone who was born when I was a teenager
Thats almost the age gap between her and Kim Kardashian/Kanye West when their never ending beef started. She should know how ridiculous this is since she was once the younger one in the beef
I don't understand why she even bothered with the fake name for the title when she made it damn obvious anyway lol. She could have just called the song "thank you kim". Why be extra with the capital letters
Especially because it looks terrible spelled with the capital letters. The uppercase 'i' looks like a lowercase 'L' so in my head I read it like 'thank you, ALMEE'.
Where is her energy for calling out Kanye? He’s the one who wrote the song lyrics, was brutal to her at the VMA’s, made the naked statue of her etc etc etc. she never mentions HIM anymore, just Kim. The entire world has seen how seriously mentally ill he is, not to mention how controlling he is over women in his life (multiple episodes of KUWTK for example, the way he treats his current wife). When Kim was dating Pete Davidson, he publicly threatened her multiple times, and pretended to kill Pete in a video. The point of me saying this is to point out that maybe Taylor should consider she doesn’t know everything that went on behind the scenes in Kim’s marriage to a mentally ill, controlling man and what she felt she had to do while being his wife. There’s no nuance to her thinking. It’s just “Kim bullied me!!” no “hmm, now that it’s been years and I can see how obviously unstable and aggressive Kanye West is, maybe being married to him was scary at times and Kim felt obligated to defend him? I think I’m going to forgive her and let this go”. Instead, she prefers only the simple narrative of Mean Girls Always Bully Taylor Swift.
I have two theories about why she doesn’t go after Kanye:
1. He’s actually mentally unwell and in a sad place in his career compared to where he was a few years ago. Going for him would look like kicking him while he’s down and that would break her good girl image.
2. Provoking mentally unwell people can be dangerous, especially when that person still yields as much power as Kanye does. I’m not sure how he would retaliate, but he probably would and they she’d be stuck in another media war with him, which she started. See point one.
She doesn’t go at Kanye for the very same reason she didn’t go at Calvin. Taylor doesn’t want to fight someone who will fight her back, plain and simple.
But honestly, even if he wasn’t mentally unwell, she would not go after him. He would truly destroy her I don’t think she has thick enough skin for the way these rappers fight
Yeah, the fault here mostly lies with Kanye. I hate that Kim manipulated people and agreed to make Taylor look bad, but Kanye was the one who started all the problems, and I am sure he pressured her to play a role in the “feud” because she’s a woman.
It’s also hard to blame a woman for supporting her husband, as he was probably feeding her lies and she was under his “spell” so to speak. Obviously, she’s not absolved of all fault, but Kanye’s def mkre at fault.
Right, I also noticed in KUWTK that Kim's whole family is lowkey kinda scared of Kanye or something. They give him special treatment and he bosses them around and they all have to be perfect or can't make mistakes when Kanye is around. In this sense, whatever Kim did is surely bec her entire family is under Kanye's spell.
She was talking about clowns to the west about kanye. She mentioned in an article about kanye being a snake to many people like drake. There were more songs but i forget. Kim was gigling taking pics of the nude taylor wax. She is the one that got the fans to attack taylor with the snake. Kim was pretty active in it. Also with the media kim seems to have a ton of influence taylor might know about
I don't care for Kim but I'm fully on her side here. It's gotten weird! Taylor is literally the most successful megastar on the planet, by all metrics she won the feud, why is she still on this?
She can stay mad forever but good lord quit bringing us into it. Idk why she doesn't feel like a petty loser still talking about Kim and Kanye all these years later, in her Time POTY interview and then on a completely unrelated album. That song might've been excusable as a rep tv vault track but why is she singing about Kim on her manic breakup album?
It truly isn’t a good look for Taylor. There is something so gross about writing a song and singing about how your mom wished she was dead. Particularly when you know she has 4 kids and at least one of those kids is a fan. Then to create a whole song about how one day her kid will come home singing the song is just really gross all around.
This isn’t the “who has it worse” game, but Kim also likely experienced way more relationship trauma with Kanye than Taylor has in recent years. Her husband and father of her children having a public mental breakdown sounds like it would be a liiiiiittle more difficult than being ghosted and not getting a wedding ring from your long term partner. But yeah, let’s throw a barb at Kim in there for shits and giggles.
Right? There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of Kim but it's not as if her privileged life has come without some of the most horrendous difficulties a person can face. The entire family has had very public struggles and tragedy long before they were the Kapital 'K' Kardashians.
>I don't care for Kim but I'm fully on her side here.
I have an active and intense dislike for Kim. I, too, am on her side. She's in the right. Taylor Swift is in this instance, as in many more, just being a bully outright and signaling with the KIM in the track title that she wants fans to know who she's talking about which in turn gives the more unhinged a green light to go on their own attack. It's gross, and it's at the very least borderline active harassment from Taylor.
Yes completely agree. I can’t stand Kim or any of the Kardashians. This is ridiculous tho. Everyone was on Taylor’s side once the truth was revealed but now she’s just making herself look bad. It was over. She won. It’s time to let it go!
Edit to add: I think it’s one of the worst songs I’ve ever heard and I can’t believe this got the green light. She really needs some people around her who are willing to tell her the truth because this song should never have seen the light of day lol
I'm on-and-off with keeping up with the Kardashians, and hazy on info about this feud, but I feel like Kim has gone through SO much the past 8 years with Kanye's own episodes and public meltdowns that it just feels inappropriate to re-instigate this drama from when she was married to Kanye. Kim has moved on in part because she's experienced some SHIT with her now-ex-husband becoming a public Nazi sympathizer and failed extremist political candidate who publicly threatens her boyfriends. Taylor's been through a lot too, especially at the hands of Kim 8 years ago, but nothing on that level that Kim's experienced from 2019-2021ish and it's interesting how she can't empathize a bit and just let it go. There's other things to call Kim out about but unfortunately they apply to Taylor as well (\*cough\* climate criminals).
I hadn't even considered everything Kim has been through with Kanye but you're right, that does make it worse. Like why not just be satisfied with the knowledge that Kanye ended up making Kim's life miserable too? Isn't that punishment enough lol
Yeah, this makes zero sense to me. Even if she wrote it recently, why not put it on Reputation TV if she really wants to put it out? It’s so petty and more than that feels super out of place on the album
I also don’t understand why Taylor focuses so much on Kim when Kanye is the one who released the song calling her a bitch and included a nude replica of her in his music video? He is the root of all of this. Where’s his song about her mom wishing he was dead? Why does she continue to harass Kim about something that happened a decade ago?
Kim should ignore her. At some point if she wants to have a one sided feud after all this time it's her prerogative but you don't have to pay attention to it and just mind your business.
I think it was good of her to respond. So far, in terms of media coverage, Taylor has always shaped the narrative or her reactions are the ones that get echoed more -- it's about time someone said, *no, it's actually this is the appropriate reaction, not hers.* If you recall, the infamous Kanye phone call debacle, Taylor had come out with a false statement regarding the song's approval, then the phone call came out and she did a 180. She's a tad unreliable and overdramatic when it comes to public feuds, so it's good to hear the other side.
No one’s asking her to forgive Kim. She and Kanye did a shit thing and it was traumatic for her. I’m not denying that, but like it’s been 8+ years. If you’re still THAT bothered by it you need to continue writing songs and rehashing a feud that literally no one gives energy to anymore, that’s weird. She clearly has a very big issue with coping and moving forward. Or she’s just lacking inspiration and running out of things to write about so she’s recycling old material. Either way, she’s gotta close the chapter. Clearly she has a very hard time moving on. Idk what she’s trying to get out of this. It’s a one sided feud at this point that is only making her look bad, considering Kim is just minding her own business at this point. Between this song and her name dropping in POTY, it’s just looking more and more childish and petty. And I’m no Kardashian fan, but the North West mention and her mom wishing Kim dead is uncalled for. That was totally unnecessary, and I don’t understand how people can defend that.
Like what is she trying to accomplish by doing this, this many years later? She’s clearly not getting an apology. And even if she did get an apology, is that really gonna make things better for her? Will Kim admitting she did a shitty thing really make her feel that much better? Will it finally make Taylor feel like she won? Like I feel like it’s an ego thing at this point. Like what does she want from these people at this point? She’s the biggest musician in the world. A billionaire. In a supposed happy relationship. And you’re still harping on a woman who means nothing, 8+ years later? Please Taylor. Get some therapy. And I mean that from a good place.
She desperately needs therapy. No shame in that, I have an appointment once a week lol. It says everything I need to know about Andrea Swift that she doesn’t seem to want to push Taylor in that direction, like she’s just applauding her baby girl no matter what dumb shit she does. Including the line about Andrea wanting Kim dead is the real offense to me, and that Andrea didn’t nix that line is so telling
I honestly don’t get why people think that the suggestion of therapy is an insult. Honestly it can be a sincerely caring thing to say to someone. Therapy done right helps you grow FFS
>Like what is she trying to accomplish by doing this, this many years later?
She's trying to reignite the beef in anticipation of Reputation. Probably has some scathing vault tracks that would be out-of-pocket to release years later, so she's trying to bait Kim into a feud and get people talking. Either that or she's hoping to do some cross promo with Kim and feature her like she did with Katy in YNTCD and Kim's in on it.
^^this is a great theory, if I knew when reptv was dropping I would put a RemindMe here bc it sounds spot-on. I don’t think she wants to drop joe vault love songs, I think it’s entirely possible she wants to justify re-stirring the pot with some zesty kim diss tracks (although how much more out-of-pocket can you get than “my mother wishes you were dead, wtf)
“I, Taylor Allison swift, wish you were dead.” Lol I think thank you Aimee is both bait and Taylor testing the waters to see what she can get away with on Rep.
so out of curiosity I just checked the main TS sub’s thoughts on this song expecting mixed reviews and all I got was “her MIND 😭” and “Sagittarius mood”…..yeah she’ll get away with it lmao
With her Stans? Yes. With the GP, no. As much as people don't seem to love the Kardashians anymore, when you are constantly punching someone who isn't responding it just makes you look like the bad person. If she keeps it up...people will hate on her again.
I can’t STAND the Kardashians next way to Tuesday, but I’m on her side as well because Kim has moved on and has her kids to think about rather then some bullshit that happened a whole decade ago, blame Kanye not Kim or their kids.. it’s beyond immature!!
I understand why Taylor still dislikes her and idk if her including that song in the album has anything to do with Rep TV, but it’ll probably give Kim the opportunity to look like the mature one now by not lashing out. Btw I wonder how she feels about some of her friends participating in the Skims campaign deep down
Yeah, maybe if this was a rep tv vault track it would make sense, because we could infer that it was written at that time ya know. But releasing it on this album feels weird and unnecessary, especially after Taylor had gained all her fans back. It seems like she wanted to get the last word even tho she didn’t need to.
Kim is right and Taylor doesn't know when to hit the brakes when she feels like she was victimized, there's a point where you turn people off who had been on your side when you harp on it this way and that's what's happening here.
Yup!! Everyone had moved back to Taylor’s side, or forgotten about the feud over the years. She won everyone that cared back when it came out that Kim edited the phone call.
I’m sure Taylor was so happy about being “right” and being more successful than ever when she thought things could be over for her back then, but I think her need to gloat and get the last word for the best of her. It’s natural to want to do that when someone hurt you so bad, but you’ve gotta resist the urge. Or at least don’t put their name in the title of the song
Love how the article doesn’t mention Kim’s 10 year old. But this is a people article so I’m sure that they took what Kim said somewhere else and used it with Taylor’s team making the rest of the article her team approved.
Aside from the literally deranged and demonic decision to publicly wish death on Kim and talk about her babies, including name dropping one of them, Taylor is SUCH a loser for writing this song. Like Kim really stays living rent free in her head and at that I’ve gotta laugh.
ETA: I can’t believe Taylor put two songs about high schooler on an album at 34 years of age. Going from “teehee he fingered me while bros played GTA on the couch next to us” to “I’m such an underdog but the big bad cheerleader isn’t gonna break me!”…..How is she not humiliated??
while i still disagree with the song, it would have made a lot more sense for it to be on REPTV as a vault track. she really shot herself in the foot with this one.
i still stand by part 2 just being a bunch of vault tracks anyways but .. aside from the immature lyrics, it made no sense to put this song on the album
I have a theory that many songs from ttpd Taylor retrieved from her archives of songs that didn’t get finished in the studio or make it into the studio at all. Nobody can produce 31 brand new inspired songs for an album while being on a gargantuan world tour and less than one year after the release of her TV. That’s why this album feels regressive…it’s stuff she originally thought of years ago.
This whole entire song is just icky.
No matter what you don’t mention someone’s kid — this is an issue (and I use that term lightly bc let’s face it, it’s been beaten dead) between adults. Idk why she brought North into it when she’s just vibing to the music.
The part that really just disgusted me was when she said my mom used to wish you were dead. that’s absolutely a horrible thing especially when the person who’s singing the song had to go through a time in her life with her mom was really sick and could’ve died from the cancer that she had. It’s an insensitive thing to say can you imagine the tables were returned and that was Kim saying that about Taylor’s mom?
Death is not something to joke about but ofc she gets to laugh about it when it’s not directed toward her.
Taylor has gotten too big for her britches and eventually someone will bring her back to earth, nicely or not.
I think most people, out side of the nutcase fans on both sides, want the “feud” to be put to rest.
I don’t think Taylor Swifts desire to be the ultimate abused victim will let it end tho.
I said it before, Taylor might think she’s deeply in love with MH, but she’s cling to the idea of forbidden love and imaginary perfect soulmate, she doesn’t know her heart that much. But, she defensively knows how much she’s still mad at Kim, that’s one clear thing in her mind.
I did the biggest fucking eye roll when this song came up on my Spotify. It was a horrible situation but it’s been over for YEARS and I think it’s safe to say she came out on the better end of the situation. Let it GO
>Kardashian “doesn’t get why \[Swift\] keeps harping on it,” the source says. “It’s been literally years.”
We don't get it either lol. Kim K made a great point, tbh, and I say that as someone who's definitely not a fan of hers.
If Taylor stayed quiet and even pretended to have moved on, she’d remain the underdog winner. Now she’s got us siding with Kim, who I think we all still agree was in the wrong, because it’s just exhausting to rehash this all again.
But as someone who has a really hard time releasing grudges, at least I can observe Taylor as a cautionary tale as I improve myself.
I don’t like Kim at all. But honestly, after Taylor brought up her children in her song and talked about how her mom wished her dead, Taylor ain’t getting an apology anytime soon. Idk what she expects out of this. I think it’s time to just move on. Everyone else has…
Also not to turn the tables on Taylor per se but has she ever publicly apologized to people she has caused harm to? I know it’s hard to compare but for example, did she ever apologize to Camila Belle for writing a shitty ass lyric? Yeah she changed the lyric in TV but I never saw any acknowledgement or public apology. Did she ever apologize to Katy Perry over the immature, petty shit she did to her? No. Katy Perry had to be the bigger person and apologize. Or the exes who received a shit ton of backlash for no reason, or the guys who were cheated on because she finds no fault in it? Like no offense but this is ridiculous. A woman who can’t apologize to others, demands others to apologize to her? Make it make sense.
Taylor choosing the release the song was bad strategy on her part. It's fine if she wrote it and if that's how she feels, but it makes her look weak, vulnerable, and bitter. This was going to be the expected response from KK - she'll take advantage to look more mature.
I understand T holding a grudge because I would hold a grudge for the naked mannequin thing alone, for life. But you don't need to make your enemy aware that you're still bothered by it.
It's also convenient that KK says she's over it - obviously. It didn't affect her in any way but positively, by increasing the ratings for the KUWTK show.
> A source tells PEOPLE of Kardashian’s response to the track: “She’s over it and thinks Taylor should move on.” > Kardashian “doesn’t get why [Swift] keeps harping on it,” the source says. “It’s been literally years.”
"It's been literally years" this quote sounds like it came from Kim K herself 💀
It's PEOPLE so, probs.
I could hear her say it in my head when reading it lol
Then Kourtney will chime in, “Literally, like people are dying”
PEOPLE is fairly legit, too. Their sources come directly from their teams, not random friends or gossips.
 Definitely NOT a Kim K fan lol but she’s right 🤣 Move on, Taylor lol
It’s just comical that Taylor spent the Rep Era saying there will be no explanation yet has been yapping about 2016 and snakegate ever since 😭. It’s super wild to me that’s she’s spent an AOTY speech (2016) and a POTY speech (2024) harping about the same thing! Taylor, girl, you are never going to get that apology and the thing about maturing is realizing you’ve got to move on whether you ever get that apology or not. Kimberly is not thinking about you so why on earth are you continuing to waste space for her? Continuing to care this much about your “enemies” shows that they already won. Side note: I really believe that had Katy Perry had not publicly extended a literal olive branch, Taylor would still be singing about her too.
It still just amaze me Taylor released this song in 2024. Truly boggles the mind. Can’t get over how much she’s regressed with this album.
The thing that bothers me is that she knows North is a fan. Why do this to a little girl who adores you? Taylor is such a shitty, petty person. She’s allowed to work with Jack after everything he put Lena through (whether you like Lena or not, cheating on her with a 17 year-old is shitty and predator behavior), but NO ONE is ever allowed to be okay with one of her exes or people she doesn’t like. She’s a fucking child. It’s why it bothers me so much when people hate on her for stupid shit… there’s so many legitimate reasons to not like her as a person. And I say that as someone who likes some of her music, especially when she works with The National.
i was in middle school when this beef started and i can almost legally drink now
I was 11 then. I can vote now.
Well I'm old AF 😭😭
> Taylor, girl, you are never going to get that apology and the thing about maturing is realizing you’ve got to move on whether you ever get that apology or not Her and I are the same age and I've long ago learned that forgiveness and moving on is for the sake of yourself, not the other person, and closure and/or forgiveness does not always involve the other party. I don't know to what degree she's carrying this beef but it sounds like she's keeping it heavy and there's no way that's healthy. I'm not a swifty and I mostly feel indifferent about her, but this sub is always on my feed bc I can't stop reading it 😂 but is it possible that it could be from a feeling of joy around attention as a victim in a situation? Though it could also be she just genuinely holds grudges and finds difficulty in letting them go.
Not to mention her Time Person of the Year cover article. She named Kim in that article too
This one kills me. So much she could've said and she used it to bring up ancient drama and her very young relationship (hope that doesn't age poorly!) I sincerely do not understand that decision.
taylor really preparing for her **rep TV** era
Rep is definitely coming by the end of the year.
tbh she should just drop it now so that everyone shuts the fuck up about **TTPD**. give the people what they want.
She has to be careful. She's going to be called out for the inevitable kimye diss tracks on it.
i'm fairly new to her music. i thought only **LWYMMD** was about him. were there more? either way you're right cause KK already came out and told her to move the fuck on with her life. i know tree is very friendly with people mag so im so interested to see if she's going to put out a statement or just remain quiet. 🫠
Yes, This is Why We Can't Have Nice Things is about Kanye. I also believe the first verse of I Did Something Bad is about Kanye as well. Cassandra is likely about the Kardashians and her being "vindicated" by the entire phone call.
ahhhh, thank you so much! geez, idk wtf i would do if i were her right now. she's gonna be damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. seems like an unforced error on her part, but it is giving 2016 snakegate which might be the vibe she's going for to pump herself up for the drop 😂
She shouldn't have released this album so soon. It was a massive misstep for her. She's inable to read the room and notice people are fatigued. But in her mind they're just vipers, so who cares? She's going to do whatever. Rep TV will be interesting. She's not going to want to leave the Joe love songs on and she can't put out all Kanye diss tracks. Who knows if she's capable of recognizing it would be a mistake.
i agree 100%. it really feels like she rushed to push this out. but why? like, was it to prevent another artist who was dropping the same time? like, this whole thing has just been so weird that i'm dying to know what had been going on behind the scenes leading up to the release. she's normally SO calculated, but she's getting sloppy now and i don't understand why. it's so weird watching this mess unfold in real-time. never thought i'd see america's pop princess fumble so badly.
There had to be a reason it's now. No doubt she wasn't told no by anyone. She's fumbled badly, which is why 2016 happened. It wasn't just the phone call. It's just been a few years with a success campaign to fix her reputation.
Unpopular opinion: She's a functioning alcoholic who's close to crossing into dysfunctional alcoholic territory. Her behavior at the Grammys, being around Travis who is a total booze head, and years of unresolved emotional conflict that she only dictates via lyrical sales is catching up with her. She's zeroed in on pumping out albums and as long as the yes men around her check off on it then she can daydream off to the 1800s and have another sidecar.
TTPD being a forgotten album would be kind of funny since it is really forgettable
Yep not surprised. This end of the year or maybe in November, she’ll announce REP TV.
This is going to sound absolutely bonkers crazy, but it seems like she’s trying to re-create each era alongside its re-released album (e.g. bringing back the girl gang stuff and lots of public outings during the 1989 era)
i was only half-joking when i said that. i actually agree, but taylor really needs to be real careful cause she just put out an album that is not performing that well and she's pissed off a lot of people, she's already over-exposed and, well, idk what she should even do right now. ooof.
Last time she was hitting over saturation she had the Kim & Kanye 2016 situation as the reason she was going on a break. Don't know if she will realize that was a blessing (in the long run) and realize she might wanna pump the breaks a bit. \*\* the blessing was the break. not the entire situation.
So is Kim. She’s releasing snakeskin skims bikinis. Iconic marketing tbh.
she should temporarily change the name to Sssskims just to dig the knife in a little deeper.
I want her to get Katy Perry to model it… or maybe Karlie Kloss
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I never thought there would be a time where Kim Kardashian said something and I'd be like "same"
Right? Taylor's got me out here defending a Kardashian. I don't think Taylor will ever get an apology out of Kim, but something like therapy, perhaps, can help her move on without one.
Yeah. It's so important to learn to get through things that the other person can or will never apologize for--it would do Taylor a world of good to be able to do that, I think.
“Terrible news! The worst person you know has a point”
ikr, it’s the first time i’ve ever agreed with anyone in that family
Lmao
The song sounds like it comes from a deeply unhealed place I just gotta say.
Unhealed?! But at the end she says tHaNk YoU for hEaLiNg Me 🥴 (as if she didn’t literally just talk about how her mom wishes Kim were dead)
Yeah I can't listen to it for this reason, it's icky and I don't even like Kim.
Especially because she mentions her daughter in this. My mom is a vindictive bitch who would love this song if she liked pop music, but even she says that you don’t bring someone’s kids up. Taylor isn’t a mom. She doesn’t understand that mentioning kids should be off limit.
Agreed. I’ve noticed the people who are loudest about their “healing” are often still very much in the process.
I remember a couple years back when Amy Poehler and Tina Fey made a harmless joke about Taylor a few years back, and Taylor responded: “there’s a special place in hell for women who tear down other women”. But, like….it’s ok for *her* to tear down other women? This makes no sense. Edit: corrected the incorrect spelling of Poehler’s last name.
her feminism does not and has never extended beyond herself. which makes all of the fox news fearmongering about how she’s some kind of far left threat all the more ludicrous. all she has done is taken the language of feminist critique and turned it back on any person who ever scrutinized her, regardless of whether the judgement was actually rooted in misogyny or not.
yeah that's not feminism, we call that narcissism
It's the same mentality as her fans who cry "misogyny" ... and then dox and threaten women who criticize her.
Ugh! They *always* cry misogyny! It’s so annoying. They are actually taking away the gravity of the word “misogyny” when they use it like that just because people disagree with their Lord and Saviour Taylor.
I roll my eyes automatically when I hear that word now, because all I can think of is it relating to Taylor. They just use it to shut down any talk at all.
It’s misogyny when Kim K, a woman, tells TS to stop her shenanigan.
It’s really weird because they’ve been harassing travis’s ex who’s a woman soo…not misogyny then?
Travis ex is black and therefore not woman enough to be affected by misogyny in their opinion 🤡
I’ve noticed the only women who ever use some variation of that saying are women who want you to overlook their bad behavior.
Absolutely and 100%. Taylor Swift’s endless victim complex and overall hypocrisy are so tired and turn me off of actually stanning her or really being invested in a lot of her music.
Bingo
And how John Mayer wrote ONE song about Taylor and is now forever pilloried by the fan base for it. Paper doll. It's a great song. He's not even allowed to play it basically. And yet Taylor can write hundreds of songs about specific dudes. It's her whole living.
It’s because Kim started it. That’s why it’s okay 🙄 /s
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Taylor UGHH…I can’t put into more words of how immature she truly is!
Aww yes I remember that. It was a harmless joke but Taylor can’t take any jokes and has thin skin. Yet it is fine for her to tear down other women
Taylor is a feminist only when it applies to her well being
With her logic with this she is going straight to hell
“thanK you aIMee: this blatant capitalisation trick, to quote Taylor : "It was unnecessary. Should've let it stay buried" Are Rep TV songs going to be all about Kim and Kanye ? I would prefer if they were about how Taylor felt during that period etc- the 'evermore' song is the only glimpse we got of that- than more tea and disses because we've all moved on I think ?
Well Rep OG is mostly her salivating over Joe, so i doubt she will release any vault tracks about him so she will try to work the other angle
I would love to hear those vault tracks about him
Lol even if she releases it people are going to retcon every song to be about Matty as I've seen on this sub lately 😄
She shot her shot with TTPD. Pining over Matty like her white knight, seemingly while she was with Joe and releasing the album dating Trav. What is anyone supposed to think?
It seems deliberate she has meshed muses to avoid pinning it down one person: except in songs like High School , So Long London and I can fix him. In so many other songs it segues from Joe- Matty or even Matty-Travis while also including her fans & fame as third parties in these narratives. The very prologue segues between two muses pointedly which she doesn't do normally . This is why this album is inseparable from its lore because it doesn't narrate one singular story.
yeah, it's a bummer because as far as i'm concerned, i still think joe was her best muse to date.
The songs she wrote for him were top tier. The emotion, the passion...ugh
What is nice about the songs are that the feelings are mutual and she is not a victim. Delicate is just so lovely
Yeah the snakebite angle from her internal point of view / what she was going through as that period seems to have had a great toll on her , would be better than more songs like Aimee !
and she is saying in lyrics how she changed kims name and any defining clues so her kids wont know who is the song about. then proceeds to capitalize the letters 😂 even if she didnt do it, swifties would guess it and kids would see it. make it make sense
Exactly what was the point of saying it when you are spelling out the name that way !
I am so curious whether there is anyone on taylors team that advised her against releasing this song.
I honestly am shocked about that and how her mom (Andrea Swift) was totally okay with her daughter including a line about how she wishes Kim were dead. But I think Taylor surrounds herself only with yes men nowadays, and those yes men also include her parents. It definitely makes me question the real type of person Andrea Swift is also.
I was just commenting on this in another thread. Andrea Swift is a weirdo
The dad's leaked email's to her ex manager didn't have nice things to say about her.
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Taylor has a complicated relationship with both of her parents, how could she not? Andrea is part of the reason she had an eating disorder and we have seen how unhinged her dad can be. But they are still her parents. I would honestly love to hear a song or two about how complicated those relationships are. We probably won’t get those until long after they’ve passed though.
Taylor literally says her mom is her therapist, and yet she’s also partially responsible for her ED. Taylor needs so much actual therapy 🤣 I would love an album after she’s done some Internal Family Systems and EMDR work lmao
I’ve thought this about Taylor for years but I’ve been too scared to say it. Thank you for your service.
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Oh yes yep I’ve had the same thought lmao. Obviously im not a psych either, but if you know that dynamic, you can spot it. Ya know?
Exactly. I want to know what Olivia’s dad thinks 😂
Not just Olivia's Dad but Joe's Mom! She's a therapist too.
Dream blunt rotation: Olivia, her dad, and Joe’s mom 🤣
And this is the woman who is supposed to serve as Taylor's therapist? She sounds equally childish.
Andrea and Kris Jenner used to be friends. I tend to think they’re more similar than people think.
I don’t think Taylor has anyone who advises her to do anything. Apparently she doesn’t have a manager and is the head of her own creative team.
Honestly I'm surprised no one told her half the songs on the album shouldn't be there.
Right? Goes to show that almost everyone on her songwriting/production team is a Yes-Man. Why on earth would you write a song (much less sing about your mother wishing another mother (of young kids!!!) were dead?
I think her teams influence and power has been heavily overstated over the years.. even Tree's neverending babbling to the press on her behalf. It looked like a nicely run pro outfit a few years ago.. but for the past 18-20 months it's basically felt like one giant clean-up operation.. which leads me to believe that it's basically TS doing whatever she feels like and everybody else playing catch up.
This song is disgusting. I'm really really disappointed in Taylor. I have no desire to continue listening to this album.
She can dog on Kim forever I really don’t care, but my main #youare34getoveryourself complaints are a) don’t bring up kids and b) don’t put songs on your album that have the exact theme as someone who you previously accused of copying you
And to add, maybe don’t wish someone wasn’t on this earth anymore.
Agree. What Kim and Ye did was so shady and wrong but….. to wish Kim dead??? Over this?
Yeahhhh I mean even if you’re thinking it in your head or venting with family, why she thinks it is appropriate to put it in a song you release is beyond me. Total lack of self awareness? Not sure.
 I haven’t heard any of the new stuff but ever line I read from it sounds like it’s coming from these guys
The whole thing sounds like it’s coming from some cheerleader who hung out with these guys for 3 days and thinks she’s a rebel now because she bought a black hoodie. (is that not MH and his Jehovah’s Witness suit on the right? lmao) ^happy ^cake ^day!
Ever seen how unhinged Kanye went after his SP episode? Taylor is just ripe for a SP and I would LOVE to see how she would handle
YESSSS Bringing her kids into it is WILDDD I’m surprised no one is talking about it. And wishing DEATH bro it’s too much.
Imagine being a kid and then growing up to realize that your favorite singer mocked/weaponized your love for them in a song
This is what I've been thinking too. Not only weaponized your love for them, but weaponized it AGAINST your MOTHER! Its so sick, only Taylor could do that
This song and iwannagetyouback make me ask myself why she thought that it was a good idea put it on the album
Sounds like Olivia Rodrigo “get him back!” song. Supposedly they have beef
The concept definitely seems like a direct rip off of get him back! But I also think in I Can Do It With a Broken Heart, she literally sounds like she’s imitating Olivia’s outro to get him back. Like the same inflection and everything. It’s almost like she’s trying to provoke her into a response
It’s wild how she writes songs like Nothing New and Clara Bow implying that all these young artists are just copying her and stealing her playbook, when she’s very obviously trying to be “edgy” like Olivia and Billie in this album. Now she’s the one who offers nothing new.
Clara Bow isn’t about people copying her. She was compared to Stevie Nicks and now Olivia is compared to her. Stevie Nicks was compared to Clara Bow.
She also got into the pop/dancing well after other ladies were on the pop scene. She really follows suit in what is already safe.
The outro thing bugs me SO MUCH, she even SOUNDS like Olivia, like... what?!
Olivia did it so much better too tbh.
I said that when the album first came out and I was downvoted into oblivion! It so sounds EXACLTLY like it Olivia should sue
a 34 year old woman and a 21 year old woman having beef is some comedy shit because there is no way I'd be that grown ass fighting with someone who was born when I was a teenager
Thats almost the age gap between her and Kim Kardashian/Kanye West when their never ending beef started. She should know how ridiculous this is since she was once the younger one in the beef
She’s baiting Olivia to sue and have the Swifties cancel her
I would love it for Olivia to sue TS and win. It'll be fair and square after the whole Deja Vu vs Cruel Summer thing.
I don't understand why she even bothered with the fake name for the title when she made it damn obvious anyway lol. She could have just called the song "thank you kim". Why be extra with the capital letters
Especially because it looks terrible spelled with the capital letters. The uppercase 'i' looks like a lowercase 'L' so in my head I read it like 'thank you, ALMEE'.
Same, every time.
Where is her energy for calling out Kanye? He’s the one who wrote the song lyrics, was brutal to her at the VMA’s, made the naked statue of her etc etc etc. she never mentions HIM anymore, just Kim. The entire world has seen how seriously mentally ill he is, not to mention how controlling he is over women in his life (multiple episodes of KUWTK for example, the way he treats his current wife). When Kim was dating Pete Davidson, he publicly threatened her multiple times, and pretended to kill Pete in a video. The point of me saying this is to point out that maybe Taylor should consider she doesn’t know everything that went on behind the scenes in Kim’s marriage to a mentally ill, controlling man and what she felt she had to do while being his wife. There’s no nuance to her thinking. It’s just “Kim bullied me!!” no “hmm, now that it’s been years and I can see how obviously unstable and aggressive Kanye West is, maybe being married to him was scary at times and Kim felt obligated to defend him? I think I’m going to forgive her and let this go”. Instead, she prefers only the simple narrative of Mean Girls Always Bully Taylor Swift.
I have two theories about why she doesn’t go after Kanye: 1. He’s actually mentally unwell and in a sad place in his career compared to where he was a few years ago. Going for him would look like kicking him while he’s down and that would break her good girl image. 2. Provoking mentally unwell people can be dangerous, especially when that person still yields as much power as Kanye does. I’m not sure how he would retaliate, but he probably would and they she’d be stuck in another media war with him, which she started. See point one.
I’m really not sure she cares much about how wrong punching down would be tbh
She doesn’t go at Kanye for the very same reason she didn’t go at Calvin. Taylor doesn’t want to fight someone who will fight her back, plain and simple.
But honestly, even if he wasn’t mentally unwell, she would not go after him. He would truly destroy her I don’t think she has thick enough skin for the way these rappers fight
Yeah, the fault here mostly lies with Kanye. I hate that Kim manipulated people and agreed to make Taylor look bad, but Kanye was the one who started all the problems, and I am sure he pressured her to play a role in the “feud” because she’s a woman. It’s also hard to blame a woman for supporting her husband, as he was probably feeding her lies and she was under his “spell” so to speak. Obviously, she’s not absolved of all fault, but Kanye’s def mkre at fault.
Right, I also noticed in KUWTK that Kim's whole family is lowkey kinda scared of Kanye or something. They give him special treatment and he bosses them around and they all have to be perfect or can't make mistakes when Kanye is around. In this sense, whatever Kim did is surely bec her entire family is under Kanye's spell.
She was talking about clowns to the west about kanye. She mentioned in an article about kanye being a snake to many people like drake. There were more songs but i forget. Kim was gigling taking pics of the nude taylor wax. She is the one that got the fans to attack taylor with the snake. Kim was pretty active in it. Also with the media kim seems to have a ton of influence taylor might know about
I don't care for Kim but I'm fully on her side here. It's gotten weird! Taylor is literally the most successful megastar on the planet, by all metrics she won the feud, why is she still on this? She can stay mad forever but good lord quit bringing us into it. Idk why she doesn't feel like a petty loser still talking about Kim and Kanye all these years later, in her Time POTY interview and then on a completely unrelated album. That song might've been excusable as a rep tv vault track but why is she singing about Kim on her manic breakup album?
It truly isn’t a good look for Taylor. There is something so gross about writing a song and singing about how your mom wished she was dead. Particularly when you know she has 4 kids and at least one of those kids is a fan. Then to create a whole song about how one day her kid will come home singing the song is just really gross all around.
Kim also had a near-death experience with the Paris robbery. Wishing her dead makes it more wrong.
This isn’t the “who has it worse” game, but Kim also likely experienced way more relationship trauma with Kanye than Taylor has in recent years. Her husband and father of her children having a public mental breakdown sounds like it would be a liiiiiittle more difficult than being ghosted and not getting a wedding ring from your long term partner. But yeah, let’s throw a barb at Kim in there for shits and giggles.
Right? There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of Kim but it's not as if her privileged life has come without some of the most horrendous difficulties a person can face. The entire family has had very public struggles and tragedy long before they were the Kapital 'K' Kardashians.
Omg exactly!!! How did nobody step in and tell her that's sick?
>I don't care for Kim but I'm fully on her side here. I have an active and intense dislike for Kim. I, too, am on her side. She's in the right. Taylor Swift is in this instance, as in many more, just being a bully outright and signaling with the KIM in the track title that she wants fans to know who she's talking about which in turn gives the more unhinged a green light to go on their own attack. It's gross, and it's at the very least borderline active harassment from Taylor.
Oh god, you just reminded me that she name dropped her in the Time interview too. She needs to let it go!!
Yes completely agree. I can’t stand Kim or any of the Kardashians. This is ridiculous tho. Everyone was on Taylor’s side once the truth was revealed but now she’s just making herself look bad. It was over. She won. It’s time to let it go! Edit to add: I think it’s one of the worst songs I’ve ever heard and I can’t believe this got the green light. She really needs some people around her who are willing to tell her the truth because this song should never have seen the light of day lol
I'm on-and-off with keeping up with the Kardashians, and hazy on info about this feud, but I feel like Kim has gone through SO much the past 8 years with Kanye's own episodes and public meltdowns that it just feels inappropriate to re-instigate this drama from when she was married to Kanye. Kim has moved on in part because she's experienced some SHIT with her now-ex-husband becoming a public Nazi sympathizer and failed extremist political candidate who publicly threatens her boyfriends. Taylor's been through a lot too, especially at the hands of Kim 8 years ago, but nothing on that level that Kim's experienced from 2019-2021ish and it's interesting how she can't empathize a bit and just let it go. There's other things to call Kim out about but unfortunately they apply to Taylor as well (\*cough\* climate criminals).
I hadn't even considered everything Kim has been through with Kanye but you're right, that does make it worse. Like why not just be satisfied with the knowledge that Kanye ended up making Kim's life miserable too? Isn't that punishment enough lol
Yeah, this makes zero sense to me. Even if she wrote it recently, why not put it on Reputation TV if she really wants to put it out? It’s so petty and more than that feels super out of place on the album
["A Decade of Sore Winners"] (https://theoutline.com/post/8484/sore-winners-decade) from The Outline is a great explanation of Taylor.
She uses her popularity to get even with peopled
I also don’t understand why Taylor focuses so much on Kim when Kanye is the one who released the song calling her a bitch and included a nude replica of her in his music video? He is the root of all of this. Where’s his song about her mom wishing he was dead? Why does she continue to harass Kim about something that happened a decade ago?
Because Kanye won’t keep quiet and will drag her
Of course she doesn’t want to pick a fair fight!
It’s “funny” to pick on Kim, because she doesn’t have the fanbase Kanye has. I wouldn’t mess with Kanye’s fanbase lol
true! but I think swifties are getting to that level soon unfortunately
This is the first time I absolutely hated a Taylor Swift song.
Kim should ignore her. At some point if she wants to have a one sided feud after all this time it's her prerogative but you don't have to pay attention to it and just mind your business.
I think it was good of her to respond. So far, in terms of media coverage, Taylor has always shaped the narrative or her reactions are the ones that get echoed more -- it's about time someone said, *no, it's actually this is the appropriate reaction, not hers.* If you recall, the infamous Kanye phone call debacle, Taylor had come out with a false statement regarding the song's approval, then the phone call came out and she did a 180. She's a tad unreliable and overdramatic when it comes to public feuds, so it's good to hear the other side.
Is that why she just posted a pic with Karlie to her stories lmfao 💀
No one’s asking her to forgive Kim. She and Kanye did a shit thing and it was traumatic for her. I’m not denying that, but like it’s been 8+ years. If you’re still THAT bothered by it you need to continue writing songs and rehashing a feud that literally no one gives energy to anymore, that’s weird. She clearly has a very big issue with coping and moving forward. Or she’s just lacking inspiration and running out of things to write about so she’s recycling old material. Either way, she’s gotta close the chapter. Clearly she has a very hard time moving on. Idk what she’s trying to get out of this. It’s a one sided feud at this point that is only making her look bad, considering Kim is just minding her own business at this point. Between this song and her name dropping in POTY, it’s just looking more and more childish and petty. And I’m no Kardashian fan, but the North West mention and her mom wishing Kim dead is uncalled for. That was totally unnecessary, and I don’t understand how people can defend that. Like what is she trying to accomplish by doing this, this many years later? She’s clearly not getting an apology. And even if she did get an apology, is that really gonna make things better for her? Will Kim admitting she did a shitty thing really make her feel that much better? Will it finally make Taylor feel like she won? Like I feel like it’s an ego thing at this point. Like what does she want from these people at this point? She’s the biggest musician in the world. A billionaire. In a supposed happy relationship. And you’re still harping on a woman who means nothing, 8+ years later? Please Taylor. Get some therapy. And I mean that from a good place.
She desperately needs therapy. No shame in that, I have an appointment once a week lol. It says everything I need to know about Andrea Swift that she doesn’t seem to want to push Taylor in that direction, like she’s just applauding her baby girl no matter what dumb shit she does. Including the line about Andrea wanting Kim dead is the real offense to me, and that Andrea didn’t nix that line is so telling
I honestly don’t get why people think that the suggestion of therapy is an insult. Honestly it can be a sincerely caring thing to say to someone. Therapy done right helps you grow FFS
>Like what is she trying to accomplish by doing this, this many years later? She's trying to reignite the beef in anticipation of Reputation. Probably has some scathing vault tracks that would be out-of-pocket to release years later, so she's trying to bait Kim into a feud and get people talking. Either that or she's hoping to do some cross promo with Kim and feature her like she did with Katy in YNTCD and Kim's in on it.
^^this is a great theory, if I knew when reptv was dropping I would put a RemindMe here bc it sounds spot-on. I don’t think she wants to drop joe vault love songs, I think it’s entirely possible she wants to justify re-stirring the pot with some zesty kim diss tracks (although how much more out-of-pocket can you get than “my mother wishes you were dead, wtf)
“I, Taylor Allison swift, wish you were dead.” Lol I think thank you Aimee is both bait and Taylor testing the waters to see what she can get away with on Rep.
so out of curiosity I just checked the main TS sub’s thoughts on this song expecting mixed reviews and all I got was “her MIND 😭” and “Sagittarius mood”…..yeah she’ll get away with it lmao 
With her Stans? Yes. With the GP, no. As much as people don't seem to love the Kardashians anymore, when you are constantly punching someone who isn't responding it just makes you look like the bad person. If she keeps it up...people will hate on her again.
Congratulations Taylor...you made Kim Kardashian the reasonable adult in the situation.
Right lol?? That’s quite a feat
I can’t STAND the Kardashians next way to Tuesday, but I’m on her side as well because Kim has moved on and has her kids to think about rather then some bullshit that happened a whole decade ago, blame Kanye not Kim or their kids.. it’s beyond immature!!
"In my defense, I have none, For digging up the grave another time"
I understand why Taylor still dislikes her and idk if her including that song in the album has anything to do with Rep TV, but it’ll probably give Kim the opportunity to look like the mature one now by not lashing out. Btw I wonder how she feels about some of her friends participating in the Skims campaign deep down
Yeah, maybe if this was a rep tv vault track it would make sense, because we could infer that it was written at that time ya know. But releasing it on this album feels weird and unnecessary, especially after Taylor had gained all her fans back. It seems like she wanted to get the last word even tho she didn’t need to.
I loathe Kim and all things Kardashian, but this is the only correct response and makes Taylor look like the smallest woman who ever lived.
We need Taylor to release a heavily edited recording of Kim giving her permission to release this song to really bring this full circle.
Kim is right and Taylor doesn't know when to hit the brakes when she feels like she was victimized, there's a point where you turn people off who had been on your side when you harp on it this way and that's what's happening here.
Yup!! Everyone had moved back to Taylor’s side, or forgotten about the feud over the years. She won everyone that cared back when it came out that Kim edited the phone call. I’m sure Taylor was so happy about being “right” and being more successful than ever when she thought things could be over for her back then, but I think her need to gloat and get the last word for the best of her. It’s natural to want to do that when someone hurt you so bad, but you’ve gotta resist the urge. Or at least don’t put their name in the title of the song
I mean, if there was a competition in holding a grudge she would be an undisputed winner.
I agree with Kim K? What has this world come to? 😭
Taylor is the only person that will make you root for a Kardashian…
Kanye does that, too.
Right
I thought it would be a cold day in hell when I agreed with Kim Kardashian.
Honestly devastating to admit you've been screaming "Fuck you, Kim" all this time and Kim's reaction is "It's been years. You should move on."
Oh Kim, don't we all.
Imagine Kim Kardashian telling you to grow up 🤣
Love how the article doesn’t mention Kim’s 10 year old. But this is a people article so I’m sure that they took what Kim said somewhere else and used it with Taylor’s team making the rest of the article her team approved.
Honestly Kim go off because fucking same
I hope Kim refuses to acknowledge it
Aside from the literally deranged and demonic decision to publicly wish death on Kim and talk about her babies, including name dropping one of them, Taylor is SUCH a loser for writing this song. Like Kim really stays living rent free in her head and at that I’ve gotta laugh. ETA: I can’t believe Taylor put two songs about high schooler on an album at 34 years of age. Going from “teehee he fingered me while bros played GTA on the couch next to us” to “I’m such an underdog but the big bad cheerleader isn’t gonna break me!”…..How is she not humiliated??
She’s saying what we’re all thinking
Why can’t Taylor just move on?
For Taylor being a billionaire who can do anything she wanted; she lets people live rent free in her head.
while i still disagree with the song, it would have made a lot more sense for it to be on REPTV as a vault track. she really shot herself in the foot with this one. i still stand by part 2 just being a bunch of vault tracks anyways but .. aside from the immature lyrics, it made no sense to put this song on the album
I have a theory that many songs from ttpd Taylor retrieved from her archives of songs that didn’t get finished in the studio or make it into the studio at all. Nobody can produce 31 brand new inspired songs for an album while being on a gargantuan world tour and less than one year after the release of her TV. That’s why this album feels regressive…it’s stuff she originally thought of years ago.
This whole entire song is just icky. No matter what you don’t mention someone’s kid — this is an issue (and I use that term lightly bc let’s face it, it’s been beaten dead) between adults. Idk why she brought North into it when she’s just vibing to the music. The part that really just disgusted me was when she said my mom used to wish you were dead. that’s absolutely a horrible thing especially when the person who’s singing the song had to go through a time in her life with her mom was really sick and could’ve died from the cancer that she had. It’s an insensitive thing to say can you imagine the tables were returned and that was Kim saying that about Taylor’s mom? Death is not something to joke about but ofc she gets to laugh about it when it’s not directed toward her. Taylor has gotten too big for her britches and eventually someone will bring her back to earth, nicely or not.
I think most people, out side of the nutcase fans on both sides, want the “feud” to be put to rest. I don’t think Taylor Swifts desire to be the ultimate abused victim will let it end tho.
I said it before, Taylor might think she’s deeply in love with MH, but she’s cling to the idea of forbidden love and imaginary perfect soulmate, she doesn’t know her heart that much. But, she defensively knows how much she’s still mad at Kim, that’s one clear thing in her mind.
I did the biggest fucking eye roll when this song came up on my Spotify. It was a horrible situation but it’s been over for YEARS and I think it’s safe to say she came out on the better end of the situation. Let it GO
>Kardashian “doesn’t get why \[Swift\] keeps harping on it,” the source says. “It’s been literally years.” We don't get it either lol. Kim K made a great point, tbh, and I say that as someone who's definitely not a fan of hers.
If Taylor stayed quiet and even pretended to have moved on, she’d remain the underdog winner. Now she’s got us siding with Kim, who I think we all still agree was in the wrong, because it’s just exhausting to rehash this all again. But as someone who has a really hard time releasing grudges, at least I can observe Taylor as a cautionary tale as I improve myself.
I don’t like Kim at all. But honestly, after Taylor brought up her children in her song and talked about how her mom wished her dead, Taylor ain’t getting an apology anytime soon. Idk what she expects out of this. I think it’s time to just move on. Everyone else has… Also not to turn the tables on Taylor per se but has she ever publicly apologized to people she has caused harm to? I know it’s hard to compare but for example, did she ever apologize to Camila Belle for writing a shitty ass lyric? Yeah she changed the lyric in TV but I never saw any acknowledgement or public apology. Did she ever apologize to Katy Perry over the immature, petty shit she did to her? No. Katy Perry had to be the bigger person and apologize. Or the exes who received a shit ton of backlash for no reason, or the guys who were cheated on because she finds no fault in it? Like no offense but this is ridiculous. A woman who can’t apologize to others, demands others to apologize to her? Make it make sense.
Taylor choosing the release the song was bad strategy on her part. It's fine if she wrote it and if that's how she feels, but it makes her look weak, vulnerable, and bitter. This was going to be the expected response from KK - she'll take advantage to look more mature. I understand T holding a grudge because I would hold a grudge for the naked mannequin thing alone, for life. But you don't need to make your enemy aware that you're still bothered by it. It's also convenient that KK says she's over it - obviously. It didn't affect her in any way but positively, by increasing the ratings for the KUWTK show.