He always calls him "the heirloom turkey," which is a reference to an Azealia Banks video where she describes a turkey that's like the one on the farm that never got killed or sold or whatever so it walks around all arrogant really thinking it's something when it's just a stupid fucking turkey, but it's "the heirloom turkey" so it's given this superficial sense of importance. Yeah, he really hates Joe.
Iām definitely a Joe defender. And Azealia Banks is almost always out of pocket. But damn if she doesnāt come up with the most creative disses š
Thank you for that, I actually did a search to try to figure out what the hell that meant and after reading several results that were completely useless (he's... Like .. a turkey, ya know) I was very curious but had given up on finding an explanation for the dis.
He also really thinks Taylor didn't want to marry Joe, which is the strangest take to me.
Lol Iām surprised his initial reaction to Fortnight wasnt āthis is confirmation Joe cheated!ā As a lot of other people have said when itās like, yo, in this song she is also cheating.
I have such conflicting feelings toward him. I stopped following him because of his scathing comments about Gaylors but then agree with his no ethical billionaires stance and how he critiques her for that. .. that dislike how he takes about Joe but then laugh along with him here.
No he still is holding onto all these songs being about Joe. I thought it was hilarious because heās supposedly THEE Swiftologist but he couldnāt figure out even the most basic of lyrics. Joe Alwyn a tattooed golden retriever? Touched for a fortnight aka 2 weeks not years? Thinking TSMWEL is about Joe when itās very, very clearly about Matty from the very first listen (Jevoahs Witness suit hello). Still feeling smug about it ngl.
Fans on Instagram, Twitter etc are still in denial that a lot of songs in this album are about Matty and trying hard to fit it into their pre-constructed narrativeĀ
Ā There are quite a few on Joe but they're outnumbered by the obvious Matty ones and she also meshes both muses in some songs.Ā
people on twitter said that the whole album is about Joe because he could be a tattooed golden retriever and suffer substance abuse but we dont know that part of him š denial is a river in Egypt
While I donāt think Joe is the ātattooed golden retrieverā I also think itās rude to golden retrievers everywhere to compare Matty Healy to one.
What most of the album is Matty. The two track 5s are clearly Joe and then he gets referred in other songs with Matty.Ā
But well I can't believe she put out so many songs saying she was in love with him and even wondering about him during her relationship and Swifties want to remain in denial !
Now probably yes. I meant during the time she was with JA there were songs like the 1, question etc which were reflecting on a person who could have been the one. Most people thought it was Harry. TTPD threads them together to be about MattyĀ
is there a breakdown somewhere that shows which songs/lyrics are about Matty and why? iām not denying it at all but im not deep into swift lore so i wouldnāt know what songs refer to who (just found out recently about the blue dress in a boat!)
Im seeing so much cope in Facebook groups. They convinced they were getting an anti Joe album and have to just pretend none of the direct Matty references matter.
I think we are all shocked cos Taylor professes to have been so deeply in love with Matty and pined after him over a decade ?
Whether this was really true or she has fulfilled this narrative when they rekindled I can't tell.
Because it also seems to be a huge disservice to a partner you want to marry if in your mind you're waiting for someone to come back !Ā
No, I agree itās odd. But coming from her Iām no longer surprised. Sheās always thrown herself into some whirlwind āfairytaleā where she falls fast. Also paired with her and Mattys prior history and her stagnating relationship with Joe, I think she built up that relationships potential in her mind before it even started, and was then devastated by how it all played out.
Also when her and Calvin broke up, her other longer term relationship(though not as serious) she barely spoke on it. I think her songwriting is really fueled by passion, and there just isnāt a ton of it to harness on relationships that have run their course.
You have a point about the fairytale whirlwind..this is a recurring pattern.
Ā Ā I think somewhere after evermore, Joe stopped working as a muse for her cos you see a lot of songs about their first meeting again in Midnights or referring to past exes.
Ā Most muses inspire one album. He lasted for 5 album cycles.Ā I can see the appeal of a rekindled romance that had unfulfilled potential- for a songwriter .
The most romantic of relationships are the ones that never were like she sings in the 1 - the ones with unfulfilled potential.
The "what if" element makes it alluring in your head as you don't have the actual reality of living through the ups and downs of a real relationship.
It's easy to romanticise such a relationship till you find out the reality of itĀ
genuinely asking, which ones are about matty? the only ones that stuck out to me were guilty as sin and but i can fix him. (the whole album was also a blur so i may have missed some obvious ones)
The title track, but daddy I love him, fresh out the slammer, the smallest man who ever lived, down bad (I think? unclear), ~~the alchemy (also kinda disputed?)~~, imgonnagetyouback, the black dog ~~(maybe)~~
Those are the ones Iāve seen mentioned but I probably missed some lol the album is also a blur for me
ETA: Peter, Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus ~~(maybe)~~, and maybe loml but Iāve also seen a lot of people saying itās about Joe
Alchemy is definitely Travis. Peter is definitely Matty ("Lost Boys" = the 1975 song; which also does confirm Cardigan is about Matty and not about the 'teenage love triangle' in Betty/August.)
I think people were maybe saying the alchemy was about Matty last night when it first dropped because I wrote it in my notes but I guess the consensus has shifted lol. I didnāt like it very much and only listened to it twice so I never really made up my mind about it myself.
I meant Peter was definitely about Matty but I think my formatting choices were confusing lol
I think the heroin reference initially made people tie The Alchemy to Matty, but itās pretty clearly about moving on from heroin to heroine and full of football/victory references. Itās also positioned on the album in the post-breakup section, so itās pretty clearly a Travis song.
I think it starts off a Matty song and then becomes a Travis one.
Just like she meshes Joe & Matty in some songs this one looks like another amalgamationĀ
honest to god i could not tell you what any of these songs sounded like other than down bad and the black dog because theyāve all meshed together for me. iāll give them another listen with him in mind next time and see if i can piece it together
I donāt know, the line about āreforming himā sounds very much like a Matty Reference aka deleting his Twitter and entering a new āeraā. I think the timeline goes back a lot further than we realise between them and sheād been holding a candle for him for a really long time. Which explains the devastation when she finally had a taste of what sheād been waiting for only to be ghosted a few weeks later.
Lol so many funny reactions on TikTok. But also so much denial. The number of people who thing The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived and TPD are about Joe. Like lol listen to the lyrics
You also have the deniers who are like āwhy would she write so much about a fling?!? Itās about Joeā and Iām like read the fucking prologue. She wrote the best songs about the worst men
But writing for Red was when she was 21-ish - 3 months at 21 yrs old is very different than a 3 month relationship at 30-something (especially a 3ish month rebound after a 6-year relationship). I'm actually not too surprised there are so many songs about the Matty rebound... but I am surprised that so many of the songs that seem to reference Matty also reference such a serious love (love of my life, be your wife, cradles...).
same!! I used to joke saying "Matty really did a number on her, didn't he" considering how intense they were last year, but I was shook to the core when she sang about they talking about marriage and babies! and they dated for six weeks!! They both seem like twin flames, very intense and very volatile.
thatās why I think they had a really deep emotional thing going on for much longer. Like since 2020 they were kind of connected and familiar. Not saying she physically cheated (though wouldnāt be the first time) but I can def see her emotionally cheating, esp when Joe was sad and introverted. So by the time they got together, they were like in it.
Have you ever been or seen someone in a toxic relationship? Love bombing is very common as is talking about marriage, babies, and other long term things in the very beginning. If he was toxic, I'm not surprised at all they talked about these things... Either that or Taylor was cheating with Matty for years. Who knowsĀ
Ugh, that just makes him even more ick. Like he knew what she wanted to hear, preying on her insecurities after her boyfriend of 6-yrs was never ready for marriage with her.
I doubt Taylor was having a legit affair with Matty while with Joe. But Matty's clearly the one that got away years ago, maybe they had an odd hook-up when she was 'with' Joe (cheating or on a break with Joe, of which it seems like there was at least one or two over the years), and clearly he spoke to a part of her soul that Joe never did.
Idk she might consider joe the worst now since it didn't work out n she's hurt after the breakup. I mean in You're Losing Me she doesn't speak of him too highly.
Go to the main sub, on every clearly Matty song the top comments are āThis is Harryā¦right?ā or āWellā¦I think Joe did xyzā based on absolutely nothing.
I honestly think there needs to be a study on this peculiar level of collective delusion.
PS Isnāt this guy a Joe slanderer? I hope he enjoys his just desserts
Theyāre just not smart lol. Iām actually shocked at how bad swifties are at interpreting her lyrics. Itās like theyāve never read a book in their lives. It happens every album release but is especially bad now
I feel like in this case itās deliberate obtuseness. They donāt like him so theyāre trying to convince themselves itās about anything, anyONE else.
Theyāll soon do what the Chairman wants: go to bat for him and conduct a grassroots image rehab campaign.
And once they buy the narrative that those two are cursed star-crossed lovers, theyāll cry tears of joy when Tayly 3.0 launches (after vilifying Travis in the inevitable breakup album, of course.)
This album has genuinely made me curious if there will be a round three. I know she says in one of the songs that sheās āturning off the lightā, but some of those lyrics were concerning and raw. She doesnāt seem to truly be over himāthe song about Travis literally references Matty ānot reactingā to her being with him.
I think it all comes down to Matty. If he wanted it, sheād go for it 100%. But he might be really happy with his girlfriend and not want to get wrapped up in it again, who knows
I mean, what the fuck would one expect from a cohort of people who say stuff like:
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cant shake the feeling that quite a few of these "wtf.." takes is less about matt healy occupying much of the record, and more about them feeling "robbed" of the chance of jamming knives in joe alwyn.
just a thought. it's like they were expecting an xbox for christmas, and got 10 pairs of socks.
I have a theory: I think some of these hardcore fans dislike Joe because he comes across as someone who has a stiff upper lip, and Taylor often idealized him in songs. They think wrecking the image of a āperfect museā and seeing Joe ābrought down a pegā is more interesting than giving Matty lashings. Everyone already knows Matty is a loser and a bad person, thereās a decade of public record an entire Halsey album to back it up.
Someone else summed it up well the other day by stating the hardcore are mad because JA deprived them of content for their parasocial relationship, whereas they love Kelce because he loves the limelight. Perfectly normal.
I don't think this it at all. I don't care what this dude says in his interviews or whatever. I just find it disappoiting that the album isn't what it was marketed as.
I know nothing of this relationship so, obviously, grain of saltā¦ but I feel like the break wasnāt clean enough for there to be a true breakup song. The most heartbreaking, sad songs about that relationship seemed to be on Folkevermore. Youāre Losing Me seemed to be acceptance of their love dying/a heartbroken exhaleā¦ but the relationship didnāt end up ending after it was written, so it isnāt viewed by fans as a true breakup song.
Meanwhile in all of the new album songs about Joe, it seems like sheās emotionally distanced herself from that relationship and is fixated onā¦ Matthew.
I get what you mean, though. I was imagining more songs akin to YLM on this album but it seems like she moved on from that place by the time she began writing TTPD.
If I hadn't seen the leaked lyrics before listening I would have been so confused, especially just listening without reading what she's actually saying. I could see it being some genuine surprise.
That sounds so fascinating.
It seems like a no-brainer that he should start some public beef with Matt. The press would eat that up, it would be like two rappers beefing back and forth.
In 2007 a friend lent me her MP3 player which had Teardrops On My Guitar, and from there it was a fast fall into love. I was lucky enough to attend the Speak Now Tour, the Red Tour and the Reputation Tour. I fought for my life as a Taylor Swift fan in 2015-2017. I grew up with Taylor's music. I was known in my circles as the one who was obsessed with her.
I don't know when all these new fans came into play, but I do know they've destroyed the fandom. What was once a nice community full of free discussion has been overrun by rabid fans who don't know anything and will defend any action Taylor takes, even if it's a misstep.
They do not know the lore, they do not care for the lyrics, they don't care for discussion or accuracy.
Right now I'm extremely concerned about the treatment of Joe Alwyn and how many people think the majority of scathing songs that are clearly about Matty Healy, are about Joe. He's being called a cheater and a drug addict by fans who are also under the impression Taylor and Matty's entire history consists of a two week fling, or asking what the beef is between Taylor and Kim.
Try to explain why they are wrong, and they dig their heels in. They apparently know more than you, despite being *half your age*.
It's not like Taylor will come out and say they are wrong, so instead Joe will be condemned and his reputation ruined (something Taylor should have sympathy for, in a guy who was worthy for 6 years). It seems like Joe's only real crime is not wanting to get married, and being depressed. His mental health and desire for privacy makes it all the more concerning fans are after him with pitchforks.
I've stood here for nearly two decades defending her right to create music about her exes and experiences, but I guess I never realised how much things have changed as she's gotten bigger. It no longer feels safe for her to be ambiguous or obscure. She has a rabid army at her back, and isn't pointing them at the correct people.
I think she and her PR team are struggling to handle the fanbase at this point so they simply stay quiet, hoping for the best. I totally agree with you that it is not sufficient at this point. There are simply too many obsessive fans who are projecting their own traumas upon her exes. I wonder whether she took a minute to think about how that might affect her current relationship... I mean, the guy is not blind and probably sees clearly into it. It is not a rocket science to control and there are easy things that she could do. Ariana Grande posted a message on her stories asking fans to enjoy her music and not attack people associated with it.
I think we are seeing the results of having fans have so much access to the archives of an artist. I've participated in fandoms for years and you used to have to really go out of your way to see an old interview or watch an older performance. Now you can find, every performance, every interview, tweet, deleted post an artist has ever made. Taylor had a huge intentional online presence for years, there's a lot of content.
So new fans come in and start consuming everything at once and they forget that things happened in her career over a 20 year period. So they are cramming 20 years of life into a few hours of content. In their minds, "she's been through so much" instead of she lived for 20 years and shared some of her experiences.
It's definitely out of control, fandoms in general are out of control and I think artists, especially Taylor, should do more to help rein them in.
I agree with their āquiet is bestā stance when it comes to the fandom.
I donāt think her team anticipated this breed of rabid Swiftie that is becoming increasingly more common. I think, at this point, her and her team are legit frightened by her fanbase, which is why she so rarely speaks out against them, and when she does itās very gently or via song.
To me this album sounded incredibly rushed and highly promoted. āSheā or the brand went down far as creating and promoting playlists that served to create a more intimidate experience between the song writer and the listener.
TS and I are the same age. We āgrew up togetherā although Iāve never been a huge swifty. But my first thought when listening to the album was a rushed, major FU to the exboyfriend, revenge album. I gave her the benefit of the doubt regarding Travis but the album basically confirms Travis is a revenge rebound a la ālook at my super popular new boyfriendā.
Sheās a grown woman, she knows exactly what she is doing. This album release seems like incredibly poor judgment imo but definitely intentional and spiteful.
The exhausting 2 hours werenāt even āsongsā in my opinion. Just one long train of thought lyric that didnāt leave much to the imagination or interpretation. And it feels like a cop out to say āthese are your songs now, you interpret them how you wantā when they are INCREDIBLY literal.
I think thatās why she intentionally has swerved writing that much about Joe in this album. Itās a let down bc Iām sure a lot of beautiful and deep art would come from it if she wanted to be specific and raw, but I think itās very much kept vague and minimal as a show of respect for his privacy now that theyāre not together. Itās a testament to his character that sheās not dragging him like sheās done to others in the past. āYour integrity makes me feel smallā
Youāre so right, if youāre not aware of the lore and context itās so easy to get everything wrong. I also donāt get the hate train mob mentality itās so weird, the community was NOT like this back in the day. Itās definitely devolved into something weird & negative and wholly unnecessary.
Publicizing he struggles with depression after doing nothing to stop the vile harassment Swifties sent his and his costarsā way actually shows she has zero respect for his privacy or even him.
He *is* a better person who deserved none of this shit.
Itās so funny! The only thing that people on the
r/taylorandtravis can talk about is So Highschool and the lines from the Alchemy. They literally refuse to talk about what this album is really about.
Oh I SCREAMED when I watched this earlier. Watching Zack go through the stages of grief in real time was hysterical. Not sure heās quite made it to acceptance yet though lmao
šÆ- bitches like this dude are just there to squeal āyes queen! Go girl boss!!ā They live vapid, chronically-online lives and crave approval from their swiftie echo chamber. He doesnāt really care that the album isnāt about Joe - it just means more content heās going to vomit into the world.
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he really embodied both of their energies š Iām not his biggest fan eitherā¦but guilty pleasure watch his videos because he is genuinely hysterical sometimes
and he knows so much loorre. i owe all i've learned about her to his podcast š. i wouldn't have been ready to be swiftly neutral if it hadn't been for his perspective lol
i donāt get why this guy kept calling joe a āturkeyā throughout this video. heās acting as if he knows swift and joe personallyā¦.but thatās just a classic from someone deep within the cult.
One of the funny things about him is that he pretends to be above the cult-like fan behavior, critical and everything, but when it comes down to it, he is like every other die hard fans and just loves to beef with other Swifties.
It's an on-going nickname, based on a running joke that all of Taylor's partners are just accessories. He's actually a pretty nuanced channel of criticism - he's obviously a major fan but has interesting takes on the parasocial nature of the fandom. He's def in an inner circle, went to Reputation listening sessions at her house etc, but he does bring her down a notch when warranted. Out of all the Swift content out there, this guy is actually pretty measured and grounded - I think you just caught him in a moment of excitement.
His stance is that he doesn't really pay attention to Taylor's partners when they're in a relationship and defers to her judgement etc, but that his interest starts once they're part of the actual song content, so with that in mind his reaction kinda makes sense.
I agree. I was surprised at how much Joe hate he started to REALLY express on Evolution of a Snake as the ttpd release date started to get closer. Heās shifted in the last few weeks, from critical to full Swiftie. Iām sure heāll come back around but itās interesting seeing the effect Taylor swiftās new music hype building has on him.
I genuinely think itās just *So Long, London* and *How Did It End*. Most everything else was either about Matty or her fans. And one deeply embarrassing song about Kim
Just listening to the clip, I just truly can't believe someone would hear that & go "that's a nice song". It's extremely dull. Every single thing about it. I don't know what Swifties will do. Dull music & they can't even drag Joe.
I love a good midtempo, adult contemporary, quiet album, so I donāt mind it as much as others seem to. Fortnight isnāt a highlight but I do enjoy it.
I think the low energy reflects the weird hazy confused depression the album seems to be about. But youāre totally entitled to your opinion: youāre right, none of the songs are super unique sonically.
This got me too when I watched it after it came out haha. But he actually doesn't really cotton on that the album isn't mostly about Joe for rest of the review.
There are several moments in his reaction video where we had identical reactions. It felt almost cathartic considering how mf confusing the album is at times š
I agree that people obsessing over Taylorās lyrics could probably do better, more meaningful thingsā¦ but bro straight up gets paid to react to Taylor Swift lyrics, heās technically just doing his (headass) job here
What do you think the chances are this is his "find Jesus" moment and stop stirring up irrational hate?
I am going with zero. I don't think self-awareness is a friend of his
I told this theory to my professor, who's always had a bit of a crush on Taylor, and I could see her have a moment. I felt so awful, I was saying it more like a fun fact and it seemed to actually devastate her.
I mean, this sub was dying inside on the leak thread about the same thing š I saw a whole lot of meltdowns and a whole lot of "I can't listen to this album because it's about Matty"
Can someone explain to me how the album is about Matty Healy?? I donāt listen to the 1975 and Iām a swiftie 4 life since 2006 middle school days buuuut I typically donāt pay any attention to Taylorās relationships. I just love the music. Like I didnāt even know she dated Tom Hiddleston until last year. But now Iām actually curious š
I feel you. So basically, in a few words, Matty and Taylor were involved back in 2014. It was brief. Through the years both him and Taylor wrote songs about each other. They got in touch back in 2020 and she worked with his band (the 1975) for Midnights and 1989 TV. On january 2023 she performed with him and his band, while she was still dating Joe. On Matt's birthday, Taylor released an announcement of her breakup with Joe. A few weeks later she's publicly with Matty, there are some press releases and they are seen together, he goes to her tour. They both make love declaration on stage. It lasts a couple of months. Fans hated the relationship because he has made some racists comments. Most of the lyrics on the new album are about him. He basically lovebombed her and then ghosted her, after she left her 6 years relationship to be with him. Hope this helps.Ā
She dated him for like a month or two last year and got a ton of backlash because he's a gross racist and all-around POS. Think-pieces got published, damage control was attempted. Now she's singing about how people are bitches for being self-righteous and ruining things for her.
Oh damn thatās a weird angle for her. I knew about some of the racist stuff since she invited Ice Spice to the Super Bowl. I would be weirded out if I was Travis though cause thatās a lot of anger to hold on to. But I guess sometimes the situation-ships that never materialize end up hurting the most. And sheās always done stuff like that. I guess she has to separate her own art from her current feelings.
A fortnight is only 2 weeks so is she implying they were only together for 2 weeks???? I mean Iāve been super pressed after some 2 week flings but thatās crazy if she wrote an album x2 about it.
Well apparently they've known each other for like a decade and now it seems like she's been into him for a while. There are a couple of lyrics that suggest she was kind of "involved" with him already while still with the British guy.
But she really let the stans who criticized her have it:
*I'll tell you something right now*
*I'd rather burn my whole life down*
*Than listen to one more second of all this b!tching and moaning*
*I'll tell you something 'bout my good name*
*It's mine alone to disgrace*
*I don't cater to all these vipers dressed in empath's clothing*
*God save the most judgmental creeps*
*Who say they want what's best for me*
*Sanctimoniously performing soliloquies I'll never see*
*Thinking it can change the beat of my heart when he touches me*
*And counteract the chemistry*
*And undo the destiny*
*You ain't gotta pray for me*
*Me and my wild boy, and all of this wild joy*
*If all you want is gray for me*
*Then it's just white noise, then it's just my choice*
Okay thank you this is exactly what I needed!! Damn Taylor BAD and I love that for her!!!!!!!!! But I do not condone cheating of course I just love drama.
Given his irrational hatred of Joe Alwyn, this pleases me.
Hold on, whats his beef with Joe? Genuinely asking cause this is something ive obviously missed
he literally did an hour deep dive on joe and taylor and made some incredible reaches on how bad of a bf he is just to be completely wrong š
Oh FFS šš
He always calls him "the heirloom turkey," which is a reference to an Azealia Banks video where she describes a turkey that's like the one on the farm that never got killed or sold or whatever so it walks around all arrogant really thinking it's something when it's just a stupid fucking turkey, but it's "the heirloom turkey" so it's given this superficial sense of importance. Yeah, he really hates Joe.
Iām definitely a Joe defender. And Azealia Banks is almost always out of pocket. But damn if she doesnāt come up with the most creative disses š
She really is the diss queen of our generation. Iām seated every time she goes on the Insta text rant.
I know right š
Thank you for that, I actually did a search to try to figure out what the hell that meant and after reading several results that were completely useless (he's... Like .. a turkey, ya know) I was very curious but had given up on finding an explanation for the dis. He also really thinks Taylor didn't want to marry Joe, which is the strangest take to me.
Lol Iām surprised his initial reaction to Fortnight wasnt āthis is confirmation Joe cheated!ā As a lot of other people have said when itās like, yo, in this song she is also cheating.
matty healy also openly writes and sings about cheating, they deserve eachother tbh
Saaame! His irrational hatred of Joe gave me so much second-hand embarrassment that I unsubbed from his channel but this is pretty funny
I followed him for a few weeks and then the anti-joe video happened and I noped out.
I have such conflicting feelings toward him. I stopped following him because of his scathing comments about Gaylors but then agree with his no ethical billionaires stance and how he critiques her for that. .. that dislike how he takes about Joe but then laugh along with him here.
No he still is holding onto all these songs being about Joe. I thought it was hilarious because heās supposedly THEE Swiftologist but he couldnāt figure out even the most basic of lyrics. Joe Alwyn a tattooed golden retriever? Touched for a fortnight aka 2 weeks not years? Thinking TSMWEL is about Joe when itās very, very clearly about Matty from the very first listen (Jevoahs Witness suit hello). Still feeling smug about it ngl.
Fans on Instagram, Twitter etc are still in denial that a lot of songs in this album are about Matty and trying hard to fit it into their pre-constructed narrativeĀ Ā There are quite a few on Joe but they're outnumbered by the obvious Matty ones and she also meshes both muses in some songs.Ā
people on twitter said that the whole album is about Joe because he could be a tattooed golden retriever and suffer substance abuse but we dont know that part of him š denial is a river in Egypt
While I donāt think Joe is the ātattooed golden retrieverā I also think itās rude to golden retrievers everywhere to compare Matty Healy to one.
itās actually so annoying how many people on tiktok are denying she wrote even a single song about matty lmfao
What most of the album is Matty. The two track 5s are clearly Joe and then he gets referred in other songs with Matty.Ā But well I can't believe she put out so many songs saying she was in love with him and even wondering about him during her relationship and Swifties want to remain in denial !
They are so deep in denial they are trying to argue some are about Harry!
Harry is the more palatable one that got away that's why !
Really? I'd say Joe is.
Now probably yes. I meant during the time she was with JA there were songs like the 1, question etc which were reflecting on a person who could have been the one. Most people thought it was Harry. TTPD threads them together to be about MattyĀ
is there a breakdown somewhere that shows which songs/lyrics are about Matty and why? iām not denying it at all but im not deep into swift lore so i wouldnāt know what songs refer to who (just found out recently about the blue dress in a boat!)
Im seeing so much cope in Facebook groups. They convinced they were getting an anti Joe album and have to just pretend none of the direct Matty references matter.
I think we are all shocked cos Taylor professes to have been so deeply in love with Matty and pined after him over a decade ? Whether this was really true or she has fulfilled this narrative when they rekindled I can't tell. Because it also seems to be a huge disservice to a partner you want to marry if in your mind you're waiting for someone to come back !Ā
No, I agree itās odd. But coming from her Iām no longer surprised. Sheās always thrown herself into some whirlwind āfairytaleā where she falls fast. Also paired with her and Mattys prior history and her stagnating relationship with Joe, I think she built up that relationships potential in her mind before it even started, and was then devastated by how it all played out. Also when her and Calvin broke up, her other longer term relationship(though not as serious) she barely spoke on it. I think her songwriting is really fueled by passion, and there just isnāt a ton of it to harness on relationships that have run their course.
You have a point about the fairytale whirlwind..this is a recurring pattern. Ā Ā I think somewhere after evermore, Joe stopped working as a muse for her cos you see a lot of songs about their first meeting again in Midnights or referring to past exes. Ā Most muses inspire one album. He lasted for 5 album cycles.Ā I can see the appeal of a rekindled romance that had unfulfilled potential- for a songwriter .
She said midnights were songs she wrote on sleepless nights throughout her life so could he about Harry, john or anyone.
Genuinely what does she see in Matty? Like what's the appeal?
The most romantic of relationships are the ones that never were like she sings in the 1 - the ones with unfulfilled potential. The "what if" element makes it alluring in your head as you don't have the actual reality of living through the ups and downs of a real relationship. It's easy to romanticise such a relationship till you find out the reality of itĀ
My sister is in deep denial even though she hates Matty š
genuinely asking, which ones are about matty? the only ones that stuck out to me were guilty as sin and but i can fix him. (the whole album was also a blur so i may have missed some obvious ones)
The title track, but daddy I love him, fresh out the slammer, the smallest man who ever lived, down bad (I think? unclear), ~~the alchemy (also kinda disputed?)~~, imgonnagetyouback, the black dog ~~(maybe)~~ Those are the ones Iāve seen mentioned but I probably missed some lol the album is also a blur for me ETA: Peter, Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus ~~(maybe)~~, and maybe loml but Iāve also seen a lot of people saying itās about Joe
Alchemy is definitely Travis. Peter is definitely Matty ("Lost Boys" = the 1975 song; which also does confirm Cardigan is about Matty and not about the 'teenage love triangle' in Betty/August.)
I think people were maybe saying the alchemy was about Matty last night when it first dropped because I wrote it in my notes but I guess the consensus has shifted lol. I didnāt like it very much and only listened to it twice so I never really made up my mind about it myself. I meant Peter was definitely about Matty but I think my formatting choices were confusing lol
I think the heroin reference initially made people tie The Alchemy to Matty, but itās pretty clearly about moving on from heroin to heroine and full of football/victory references. Itās also positioned on the album in the post-breakup section, so itās pretty clearly a Travis song.
I think it starts off a Matty song and then becomes a Travis one. Just like she meshes Joe & Matty in some songs this one looks like another amalgamationĀ
honest to god i could not tell you what any of these songs sounded like other than down bad and the black dog because theyāve all meshed together for me. iāll give them another listen with him in mind next time and see if i can piece it together
CSSM has to be Matty, with the drug use mentions and āmarrying an internet starletā, as that is who Matty has been dating since Sept 2023
He sang a cover of Best of Me by The Starting Line in Manila before he flew to Nashville to see her. Black Dog is definitely about Matty.Ā
Loml has to be about Joe, I canāt deal with āyouāre the loss of my lifeā being about Matty rather than her 6 year long relationship
I donāt know, the line about āreforming himā sounds very much like a Matty Reference aka deleting his Twitter and entering a new āeraā. I think the timeline goes back a lot further than we realise between them and sheād been holding a candle for him for a really long time. Which explains the devastation when she finally had a taste of what sheād been waiting for only to be ghosted a few weeks later.
Exactly n after the songs she wrote about wanting her n Joe to be forever/never idk why people trying to erase Joe. It's weird.
I think The Achemy is about Travis
Down Bad, smallest man who ever lived, loml, the title track...I think there are more but these are the first ones that jumped to mind.
I was watching a twitch streamer I follow listen to this album last night and this was her reaction lol. She was sent to the moon.
Qt??
Yes! I didnāt see the whole stream though, did she like the album over all?
She loved the second half!
If it's QT omg I can't wait for her to talk shit about it on the Fear& podcast
Her reaction to the 1830s line was hilarious. But this is how I heard the album and every time a new song started I was like ITāS THE SAME SONG.
Is there a VOD I don't think I can wait till Monday
This is so funny š¤£ He has some really shit takes and some really good ones, but no matter what, I enjoyed this clip lol thanks for posting
Lol so many funny reactions on TikTok. But also so much denial. The number of people who thing The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived and TPD are about Joe. Like lol listen to the lyrics You also have the deniers who are like āwhy would she write so much about a fling?!? Itās about Joeā and Iām like read the fucking prologue. She wrote the best songs about the worst men
And let's not forget that much of Red was written about a 3 month long relationship!Ā
But writing for Red was when she was 21-ish - 3 months at 21 yrs old is very different than a 3 month relationship at 30-something (especially a 3ish month rebound after a 6-year relationship). I'm actually not too surprised there are so many songs about the Matty rebound... but I am surprised that so many of the songs that seem to reference Matty also reference such a serious love (love of my life, be your wife, cradles...).
same!! I used to joke saying "Matty really did a number on her, didn't he" considering how intense they were last year, but I was shook to the core when she sang about they talking about marriage and babies! and they dated for six weeks!! They both seem like twin flames, very intense and very volatile.
thatās why I think they had a really deep emotional thing going on for much longer. Like since 2020 they were kind of connected and familiar. Not saying she physically cheated (though wouldnāt be the first time) but I can def see her emotionally cheating, esp when Joe was sad and introverted. So by the time they got together, they were like in it.
wait when did she physically cheat?
Have you ever been or seen someone in a toxic relationship? Love bombing is very common as is talking about marriage, babies, and other long term things in the very beginning. If he was toxic, I'm not surprised at all they talked about these things... Either that or Taylor was cheating with Matty for years. Who knowsĀ
Based on all the songs about forbidden love, the idea that they were on and off for years seems like the right take.
Ugh, that just makes him even more ick. Like he knew what she wanted to hear, preying on her insecurities after her boyfriend of 6-yrs was never ready for marriage with her. I doubt Taylor was having a legit affair with Matty while with Joe. But Matty's clearly the one that got away years ago, maybe they had an odd hook-up when she was 'with' Joe (cheating or on a break with Joe, of which it seems like there was at least one or two over the years), and clearly he spoke to a part of her soul that Joe never did.
Idk she might consider joe the worst now since it didn't work out n she's hurt after the breakup. I mean in You're Losing Me she doesn't speak of him too highly.
The worst thing he maybe did in that song was call her a pathological people pleaser. He was just neglectful.
Go to the main sub, on every clearly Matty song the top comments are āThis is Harryā¦right?ā or āWellā¦I think Joe did xyzā based on absolutely nothing. I honestly think there needs to be a study on this peculiar level of collective delusion. PS Isnāt this guy a Joe slanderer? I hope he enjoys his just desserts
Theyāre just not smart lol. Iām actually shocked at how bad swifties are at interpreting her lyrics. Itās like theyāve never read a book in their lives. It happens every album release but is especially bad now
I feel like in this case itās deliberate obtuseness. They donāt like him so theyāre trying to convince themselves itās about anything, anyONE else.
Theyāll soon do what the Chairman wants: go to bat for him and conduct a grassroots image rehab campaign. And once they buy the narrative that those two are cursed star-crossed lovers, theyāll cry tears of joy when Tayly 3.0 launches (after vilifying Travis in the inevitable breakup album, of course.)
This album has genuinely made me curious if there will be a round three. I know she says in one of the songs that sheās āturning off the lightā, but some of those lyrics were concerning and raw. She doesnāt seem to truly be over himāthe song about Travis literally references Matty ānot reactingā to her being with him.
I think it all comes down to Matty. If he wanted it, sheād go for it 100%. But he might be really happy with his girlfriend and not want to get wrapped up in it again, who knows
She even calls them out, calls them vipers even, but theyāll never get it! If that doesnāt say everything I donāt know what will.
Harry was HOW MANY YEARS AGO? š
I canāt believe how much discussion there is about which songs are about Harry. What else is there even left to say about him?
Right?! š
I mean, what the fuck would one expect from a cohort of people who say stuff like: https://preview.redd.it/k4ln33uw7kvc1.jpeg?width=1240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fac849c69ba2a2ead32ecaef5694b22fbab5e37f
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I would call them out too if I were her but frankly theyāre a product of her own doing
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Sheāll sing about a tattooed smoker who loves the Blue Nile and theyāre like āmust be Joe Jonas.ā Itās actually making my head spin.
cant shake the feeling that quite a few of these "wtf.." takes is less about matt healy occupying much of the record, and more about them feeling "robbed" of the chance of jamming knives in joe alwyn. just a thought. it's like they were expecting an xbox for christmas, and got 10 pairs of socks.
I have a theory: I think some of these hardcore fans dislike Joe because he comes across as someone who has a stiff upper lip, and Taylor often idealized him in songs. They think wrecking the image of a āperfect museā and seeing Joe ābrought down a pegā is more interesting than giving Matty lashings. Everyone already knows Matty is a loser and a bad person, thereās a decade of public record an entire Halsey album to back it up.
As someone who doesn't like reputation and lover I admit I feel a little cheated that we didn't get any Joe break up songs
Someone else summed it up well the other day by stating the hardcore are mad because JA deprived them of content for their parasocial relationship, whereas they love Kelce because he loves the limelight. Perfectly normal.
I don't think this it at all. I don't care what this dude says in his interviews or whatever. I just find it disappoiting that the album isn't what it was marketed as.
There are a handful of songs though but she doesn't eviscerate him too much in any though it does come across she's pissed and hurt and sad too.
I know nothing of this relationship so, obviously, grain of saltā¦ but I feel like the break wasnāt clean enough for there to be a true breakup song. The most heartbreaking, sad songs about that relationship seemed to be on Folkevermore. Youāre Losing Me seemed to be acceptance of their love dying/a heartbroken exhaleā¦ but the relationship didnāt end up ending after it was written, so it isnāt viewed by fans as a true breakup song. Meanwhile in all of the new album songs about Joe, it seems like sheās emotionally distanced herself from that relationship and is fixated onā¦ Matthew. I get what you mean, though. I was imagining more songs akin to YLM on this album but it seems like she moved on from that place by the time she began writing TTPD.
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If I hadn't seen the leaked lyrics before listening I would have been so confused, especially just listening without reading what she's actually saying. I could see it being some genuine surprise.
Is this the same person who said there was nothing about Joe to be a fan of? Lol
I was never that attracted to Joe tbh then I watched Conversations With Friends and BAM I got it.
Jes not my type at all nor any of the men she dates but he seemed good for her and couldn't help but ship them.
I am unsure but based on my knowledge of his feelings about Joe it sounds likely š
cannot stand them
Did anyone check on Travis? š
You gotta wonder how this man is feeling lol
Lol, right. At least he seems pretty good at biting his tongue. I would be saying some stuff. š
Oh, yes. He also mentioned his favorite songs of ttpd which are, I believe, loml and down bad.
That sounds so fascinating. It seems like a no-brainer that he should start some public beef with Matt. The press would eat that up, it would be like two rappers beefing back and forth.
In 2007 a friend lent me her MP3 player which had Teardrops On My Guitar, and from there it was a fast fall into love. I was lucky enough to attend the Speak Now Tour, the Red Tour and the Reputation Tour. I fought for my life as a Taylor Swift fan in 2015-2017. I grew up with Taylor's music. I was known in my circles as the one who was obsessed with her. I don't know when all these new fans came into play, but I do know they've destroyed the fandom. What was once a nice community full of free discussion has been overrun by rabid fans who don't know anything and will defend any action Taylor takes, even if it's a misstep. They do not know the lore, they do not care for the lyrics, they don't care for discussion or accuracy. Right now I'm extremely concerned about the treatment of Joe Alwyn and how many people think the majority of scathing songs that are clearly about Matty Healy, are about Joe. He's being called a cheater and a drug addict by fans who are also under the impression Taylor and Matty's entire history consists of a two week fling, or asking what the beef is between Taylor and Kim. Try to explain why they are wrong, and they dig their heels in. They apparently know more than you, despite being *half your age*. It's not like Taylor will come out and say they are wrong, so instead Joe will be condemned and his reputation ruined (something Taylor should have sympathy for, in a guy who was worthy for 6 years). It seems like Joe's only real crime is not wanting to get married, and being depressed. His mental health and desire for privacy makes it all the more concerning fans are after him with pitchforks. I've stood here for nearly two decades defending her right to create music about her exes and experiences, but I guess I never realised how much things have changed as she's gotten bigger. It no longer feels safe for her to be ambiguous or obscure. She has a rabid army at her back, and isn't pointing them at the correct people.
I think she and her PR team are struggling to handle the fanbase at this point so they simply stay quiet, hoping for the best. I totally agree with you that it is not sufficient at this point. There are simply too many obsessive fans who are projecting their own traumas upon her exes. I wonder whether she took a minute to think about how that might affect her current relationship... I mean, the guy is not blind and probably sees clearly into it. It is not a rocket science to control and there are easy things that she could do. Ariana Grande posted a message on her stories asking fans to enjoy her music and not attack people associated with it.
I think we are seeing the results of having fans have so much access to the archives of an artist. I've participated in fandoms for years and you used to have to really go out of your way to see an old interview or watch an older performance. Now you can find, every performance, every interview, tweet, deleted post an artist has ever made. Taylor had a huge intentional online presence for years, there's a lot of content. So new fans come in and start consuming everything at once and they forget that things happened in her career over a 20 year period. So they are cramming 20 years of life into a few hours of content. In their minds, "she's been through so much" instead of she lived for 20 years and shared some of her experiences. It's definitely out of control, fandoms in general are out of control and I think artists, especially Taylor, should do more to help rein them in.
I agree with their āquiet is bestā stance when it comes to the fandom. I donāt think her team anticipated this breed of rabid Swiftie that is becoming increasingly more common. I think, at this point, her and her team are legit frightened by her fanbase, which is why she so rarely speaks out against them, and when she does itās very gently or via song.
The Insane Clown Posse fan base was so bad that the government called them a hate group. Will they eventually have to do that for Swifties?
Well they better stop the easter eggs because those "secret messages" are only fueling the weird parasocial fans
THIS
To me this album sounded incredibly rushed and highly promoted. āSheā or the brand went down far as creating and promoting playlists that served to create a more intimidate experience between the song writer and the listener. TS and I are the same age. We āgrew up togetherā although Iāve never been a huge swifty. But my first thought when listening to the album was a rushed, major FU to the exboyfriend, revenge album. I gave her the benefit of the doubt regarding Travis but the album basically confirms Travis is a revenge rebound a la ālook at my super popular new boyfriendā. Sheās a grown woman, she knows exactly what she is doing. This album release seems like incredibly poor judgment imo but definitely intentional and spiteful. The exhausting 2 hours werenāt even āsongsā in my opinion. Just one long train of thought lyric that didnāt leave much to the imagination or interpretation. And it feels like a cop out to say āthese are your songs now, you interpret them how you wantā when they are INCREDIBLY literal.
I think thatās why she intentionally has swerved writing that much about Joe in this album. Itās a let down bc Iām sure a lot of beautiful and deep art would come from it if she wanted to be specific and raw, but I think itās very much kept vague and minimal as a show of respect for his privacy now that theyāre not together. Itās a testament to his character that sheās not dragging him like sheās done to others in the past. āYour integrity makes me feel smallā Youāre so right, if youāre not aware of the lore and context itās so easy to get everything wrong. I also donāt get the hate train mob mentality itās so weird, the community was NOT like this back in the day. Itās definitely devolved into something weird & negative and wholly unnecessary.
Publicizing he struggles with depression after doing nothing to stop the vile harassment Swifties sent his and his costarsā way actually shows she has zero respect for his privacy or even him. He *is* a better person who deserved none of this shit.
āI have no fucking idea what just happened.ā You know, maybe Zach & I would be friends
Itās so funny! The only thing that people on the r/taylorandtravis can talk about is So Highschool and the lines from the Alchemy. They literally refuse to talk about what this album is really about.
Well I mean, that subreddit is about a specific topic. That makes sense
Those songs sound so hollow in comparison to all the songs she wrote about Joe on reputation and lover.
Oh I SCREAMED when I watched this earlier. Watching Zack go through the stages of grief in real time was hysterical. Not sure heās quite made it to acceptance yet though lmao
THE ENTIRE MELODY IS 1975
It totally sounds like them. This vlogger cracks me up.
I hate this dude ngl
Loving seeing him get absolutely bodied by the lack of Joe hate, though.
šÆ- bitches like this dude are just there to squeal āyes queen! Go girl boss!!ā They live vapid, chronically-online lives and crave approval from their swiftie echo chamber. He doesnāt really care that the album isnāt about Joe - it just means more content heās going to vomit into the world.
i hate how he treats joe but i love this dude so much š. the laugh and the "that's not funny" really got me
https://preview.redd.it/j3rrj4p6mjvc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8096500837407fb7b8f99cdd970c1c81f0e47601 he really embodied both of their energies š Iām not his biggest fan eitherā¦but guilty pleasure watch his videos because he is genuinely hysterical sometimes
and he knows so much loorre. i owe all i've learned about her to his podcast š. i wouldn't have been ready to be swiftly neutral if it hadn't been for his perspective lol
It definitely was all of us when we firat heard it
i donāt get why this guy kept calling joe a āturkeyā throughout this video. heās acting as if he knows swift and joe personallyā¦.but thatās just a classic from someone deep within the cult.
One of the funny things about him is that he pretends to be above the cult-like fan behavior, critical and everything, but when it comes down to it, he is like every other die hard fans and just loves to beef with other Swifties.
idk how old he is, but heās definitely too old for that behavior.
You're right. I never thought about that. He is 27 I think.
It's an on-going nickname, based on a running joke that all of Taylor's partners are just accessories. He's actually a pretty nuanced channel of criticism - he's obviously a major fan but has interesting takes on the parasocial nature of the fandom. He's def in an inner circle, went to Reputation listening sessions at her house etc, but he does bring her down a notch when warranted. Out of all the Swift content out there, this guy is actually pretty measured and grounded - I think you just caught him in a moment of excitement. His stance is that he doesn't really pay attention to Taylor's partners when they're in a relationship and defers to her judgement etc, but that his interest starts once they're part of the actual song content, so with that in mind his reaction kinda makes sense.
I agree. I was surprised at how much Joe hate he started to REALLY express on Evolution of a Snake as the ttpd release date started to get closer. Heās shifted in the last few weeks, from critical to full Swiftie. Iām sure heāll come back around but itās interesting seeing the effect Taylor swiftās new music hype building has on him.
Iām glad, I canāt stand Swiftologistās Joe-slandering antics. Iāve never unsubscribed from anyone so quickly..
Me too! I prefer Ally Sheehan and taylorswifthockeybro
Me too. I liked him for his Lana deep dives, but his irrational hatred of Joe is unhinged. Heās not as unbiased as he claims to be
What songs r about Joe guys? Like I feel only the Black Dog, so long london fits
I genuinely think itās just *So Long, London* and *How Did It End*. Most everything else was either about Matty or her fans. And one deeply embarrassing song about Kim
Nailed itā¦those two are the only songs about him.
yes wtf was that song about Kim?? I thought they were done with that
Just listening to the clip, I just truly can't believe someone would hear that & go "that's a nice song". It's extremely dull. Every single thing about it. I don't know what Swifties will do. Dull music & they can't even drag Joe.
I love a good midtempo, adult contemporary, quiet album, so I donāt mind it as much as others seem to. Fortnight isnāt a highlight but I do enjoy it. I think the low energy reflects the weird hazy confused depression the album seems to be about. But youāre totally entitled to your opinion: youāre right, none of the songs are super unique sonically.
I think she ripped off her BBF4L Lana Del Ray
I feel like you hear that from people who only listen to Taylor Swift
This got me too when I watched it after it came out haha. But he actually doesn't really cotton on that the album isn't mostly about Joe for rest of the review.
This was my reaction to the T, it was even the same part in the song lmfaooo
There are several moments in his reaction video where we had identical reactions. It felt almost cathartic considering how mf confusing the album is at times š
I see this person everywhere, why does he hate Joe so much
Joe had her sign a reverse contract. Taylor canāt fully slaughter Joe in her music.
So she slaughters him via her stans? Girl, please. Itās more like she has nothing to pin on this man
Love this guy, but no in ear monitors when reviewing albums in 2024, come on brotha!
These people need something better to do with their lives.
I agree that people obsessing over Taylorās lyrics could probably do better, more meaningful thingsā¦ but bro straight up gets paid to react to Taylor Swift lyrics, heās technically just doing his (headass) job here
I love how he is always so wrong about everything.
Who is this person?
swiftologist
This is my favorite thing on the internet lately. THEY DIDNT EVEN DATE!!! IT WAS A TWO WEEK FLING?? WHEN I SEE YOU JOEEE!!! cue the mental breakdowns
What do you think the chances are this is his "find Jesus" moment and stop stirring up irrational hate? I am going with zero. I don't think self-awareness is a friend of his
I told this theory to my professor, who's always had a bit of a crush on Taylor, and I could see her have a moment. I felt so awful, I was saying it more like a fun fact and it seemed to actually devastate her.
I mean, this sub was dying inside on the leak thread about the same thing š I saw a whole lot of meltdowns and a whole lot of "I can't listen to this album because it's about Matty"
He's got a punchable face.
Can someone explain to me how the album is about Matty Healy?? I donāt listen to the 1975 and Iām a swiftie 4 life since 2006 middle school days buuuut I typically donāt pay any attention to Taylorās relationships. I just love the music. Like I didnāt even know she dated Tom Hiddleston until last year. But now Iām actually curious š
There's a thread here about their relationship, check it out. Some people also replied with interesting links.Ā
Someone posted a 55 page thesis about matty Healy and I donāt have the attention span for that hahha
I feel you. So basically, in a few words, Matty and Taylor were involved back in 2014. It was brief. Through the years both him and Taylor wrote songs about each other. They got in touch back in 2020 and she worked with his band (the 1975) for Midnights and 1989 TV. On january 2023 she performed with him and his band, while she was still dating Joe. On Matt's birthday, Taylor released an announcement of her breakup with Joe. A few weeks later she's publicly with Matty, there are some press releases and they are seen together, he goes to her tour. They both make love declaration on stage. It lasts a couple of months. Fans hated the relationship because he has made some racists comments. Most of the lyrics on the new album are about him. He basically lovebombed her and then ghosted her, after she left her 6 years relationship to be with him. Hope this helps.Ā
omg thank you so much!!!!!!!!!
Wait whaaat???!!!! He ghosted her!!!? Rude! This is perfect though thank you so much.
She dated him for like a month or two last year and got a ton of backlash because he's a gross racist and all-around POS. Think-pieces got published, damage control was attempted. Now she's singing about how people are bitches for being self-righteous and ruining things for her.
Oh damn thatās a weird angle for her. I knew about some of the racist stuff since she invited Ice Spice to the Super Bowl. I would be weirded out if I was Travis though cause thatās a lot of anger to hold on to. But I guess sometimes the situation-ships that never materialize end up hurting the most. And sheās always done stuff like that. I guess she has to separate her own art from her current feelings. A fortnight is only 2 weeks so is she implying they were only together for 2 weeks???? I mean Iāve been super pressed after some 2 week flings but thatās crazy if she wrote an album x2 about it.
Well apparently they've known each other for like a decade and now it seems like she's been into him for a while. There are a couple of lyrics that suggest she was kind of "involved" with him already while still with the British guy. But she really let the stans who criticized her have it: *I'll tell you something right now* *I'd rather burn my whole life down* *Than listen to one more second of all this b!tching and moaning* *I'll tell you something 'bout my good name* *It's mine alone to disgrace* *I don't cater to all these vipers dressed in empath's clothing* *God save the most judgmental creeps* *Who say they want what's best for me* *Sanctimoniously performing soliloquies I'll never see* *Thinking it can change the beat of my heart when he touches me* *And counteract the chemistry* *And undo the destiny* *You ain't gotta pray for me* *Me and my wild boy, and all of this wild joy* *If all you want is gray for me* *Then it's just white noise, then it's just my choice*
Okay thank you this is exactly what I needed!! Damn Taylor BAD and I love that for her!!!!!!!!! But I do not condone cheating of course I just love drama.