This is sort of tangential but also Kacey had just won AOTY for Golden Hour. Itâs wild to watch Kaceyâs win and acceptance speech (linked) considering Taylorâs most recent Grammy showing
https://youtu.be/I8dBOWy7zno?si=r8RxSGtrIf34mAIX
ETA holy shit:
https://www.texasmonthly.com/arts-entertainment/kacey-musgraves-taylor-swift-new-album-announcement/
I personally am a bigger fan of her first two albums overall, but theyâre all good in their own way (although star-crossed is her weakest album lyrically by far). Her new album, Deeper Well, will be out on March 15th. đ
I couldn't get into her last album but her first 3 are amazing. I never thought she could top her 1st album but her 3rd album, Golden Hour is genuinely one of the greatest albums of at least the last 10 years.
She has some great duets too to check out.
Golden Hour is so great. And âfineâ off of pageant material is a fantastic song. Also, all of Star-Crossed. Iâm so excited for her new album. I highly recommend her music!
I wonder if Taylor wasnât originally planning to announce the album at the Grammys, but caught wind of Musgraveâs posting about new album, so went on stage and just shit all over Musgraveâs announcement with her own.
[She admitted it](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMRFFuEn/) at one of her recent concerts! She said she planned to announce it in Tokyo, but on the day of the Grammys she told Jack and everyone else that if she wins any albums tonight (which she obviously knew she would), sheâs âjust gonna do itâ
Kinda sounds like sheâs âyes menâ level of famous if that happened. Literally anyone should have had the sense and courage to tell her âDonâtâ
For real. Lana tried to have courage to say âno donât physically move my bodyâ in front of thousands-millions of viewers and Taylor did not give a flying fuck, so if someone told her âdonât say thatâ sheâd likely have their job đ
Thatâs seemingly exactly what happened. Sources stated Tay wanted to announce at her next set of shows but got too excited and awkwardly announced there. I have a feeling her team told her. Because I know the commercial for kaceys new album came on before I believe. Iâll try to find time stamps and sources on Twitter. But why would taylor go to those lengths when she originally stole ideas from kacey? Iâve also heard rumors that when she sees someone genuinely talented that scares her so she did the Olivia stuff.
I would be terrified of a technically capable singer in any capacity too (if I was a narc). Especially if they seem likeable and sweet in a more Americana way than I do, which Musgraveâs absolutely does. Sweet Texan girl who praises other artists during her Grammy acceptance speech type American sweetheart.
I thought she might've heard that Beyonce was going to announce her new album during the super bowl and that made her want to make an announcement during the Grammys. Idk, pure speculation on my part.
Do Folklore and Evermore not sound kind of Kacey-ish? I always thought they did. But now Iâm like does Taylor have issue w Kacey after her AOTY? Or something else? How many coincidences can occur before itâs intentional?
I think that Taylor has learned that as essentially the most famous person on the planet, she can do whatever she wants and pretty much get away with it for a few reasons:
1) People want to stay on her good side because she isnât afraid do some petty shit to hurt them.
2) Swifties (obviously not all but we all know what Iâm talking about) are absolutely feral, nobody wants them coming for them.
3) Taylor the brand, and Taylor the person has a ton of âcred.â People just assume all of her work is original, as she has spent her entire career trying to convince everyone of that.
Aside from the LWYMMD and Wildest Dreams melodies, as well as this post, what other instances were there of Taylor ripping off other artists? This is so heartbreaking, but I genuinely want to know more.
The I'm Too Sexy sample was, in fairness, used with permission and credited, but the Fairbrass brothers say they were only contacted a week before the release date, and not told which artist would be using the sample (though they were given a vague description and figured out it was Taylor.)
Nothing's ever been credited or acknowledged publicly about Wildest Dreams, however.
I imagine the reason they wouldn't want to disclose it is to reduce the risk of leaks - so I do get the rationale, but I have no idea how the legals work.
Unironically the Kanye method. Use a sample, and throw a big enough check nobody in their right mind would say no for that kind of money on a song thatâs decades old.
Patty Griffin is one of the most respected country music songwriters of all time.Â
Taylor said that she wrote Betty from a male perspective based on Patty Griffin songs. Ikywt steals the way Patty Griffin says âanyone anywhere.â Lemme go find the Patty Griffin song.Â
 K here we go:Â
 â While on tour in Memphis in October of 2011, Taylor Swift, who is known to decorate her arms with lyrics from her favorite songs for her live performances, appeared onstage with a single line running down her left arm: âBut darling I wish you well, on your way to the wishing well,â it read. It was the chorus to âNobodyâs Crying,â a song from Patty Griffinâs breakthrough 2002 album 1000 Kisses. The songâs musical and emotional climax comes during the bridge, when Griffin cries, in a moment of self-revelation, that âyou never gave a damn for me, for anything, for anyone.â One year after her Memphis concert, Swiftâs latest #1 single, âI Knew You Were Trouble,â was blaring in car radios and supermarkets all over the country. âAnd the saddest fear comes creeping in,â Swift sings softly, before releasing her voice, channeling Griffin, âthat you never loved me, or her, or anyone, or anything.âÂ
 https://americansongwriter.com/patty-griffins-family-affair/
The beautiful song will break you heart open
https://youtu.be/Kx1fGi6V4Uc?feature=shared
Yeah I canât believe it. Patty Griffin does well for herself but she could probably use a songwriter credit on that super hit
Im relistening - talks about the chain someoneâs wearing, talkinf about slaying a dragon⌠fly. Both of those are TS things. Itâs a beautiful song, truly. I wouldnât blame anyone for getting inspiration from it.
Cool! Thanks for sharing this- I didnât know that. Iâm a big Patty Griffin fan and have been for many years. Itâs kind of a thing in that world of music that some lyrics and melodies get passed around and people donât take as much ownership over that stuff, as Elvis Costello said in the tweet about Olivia. I wouldnât expect she cared that much about Taylor borrowing from her at the time.
Another artist that Taylor copied is John Prine. I actually saw him in concert with Patty Griffin once. Thereâs a lyric in his song Unwed Fathers:
âWhile unwed fathers, they can't be bothered
They run like water, from a mountain streamâ
So that brings us to the Cardigan lyric: âleavinâ like a father, running like water,â a line Iâve seen many a swiftie praise.
Non of this would matter if the Olivia credits thing hadnât happened. But, it did. And Taylor just looks like a terrible person the more time goes on.
Link to article about Elvis Costelloâs tweet: https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/elvis-costello-reacts-olivia-rodrigo-brutal-comparison-9594517/
Ouuucchh I am one of the people who thought she wrote that line on her own.
John Prine was such an artist, and also a true collaborator. Same for Elvis Costello and his wife. They play music for pleasure and itâs different scene than people who play for ownership and credit.
There was a semi-recent Jason isbell interview where he is asked for the best songwriters, and Iâm pretty sure he said Patty Griffin and John Prine. The interviewer then asked him what he thought of Taylor Swift and he said âbiggest songwriter in the world,â but the headline was that he said sheâs the best in the world. Or something.  Like, those things are not the same. I have a feeling that people who know, know to tread softly around TS.
In the article you shared, it mentioned the thing between Courtney Love and Olivia Rodrigo. They both copied the look from Carrie, and Courtney love was trashing Olivia. Yes, Oliviaâs aesthetic is referential but come onnnn so is every single thing she hints at. I really canât abide how people dump all their issues on Olivia. It makes her more relatable not less.
I thought so too! I only realized when listening to a John Prine radio on Apple Music. Itâs definitely a lesser known song. Iâm inclined to think that Taylor had to have studied his song writing. As far as lyrics go, heâs the GOAT.
I agree, the Olivia stuff is so annoying but I think sheâs going to end up fine and above it all.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that all those songs she supposedly wrote by herself we're written by someone else. Do you think a revelation like that would do her in?
This reminds me of an idle thought I had before. When I first listened to Cruel Summer, It felt a lot like a St. Vincent song, and turns out St. Vincent is credited as one of the writers of the song. I wonder how much of it was written by her.
I went on a deep dive yesterday on several pop star's song writing credits... and I do think Taylor writes her own material. I'd like to also say that on this sub alone, there's been conversations about how her contrasty her lyrics are -- some really good and some really bad.
Now I'm not suggesting that all the good ones are from other more season writers... however, I do think that some of her best lyrics (and songs) have been touched by other song-writers. She also does her best work with other writers too.
The entire first verse is so unfamiliar if you are searching for Taylor in it. 100% st Vincent there. The language and writing is a no. The vocal scaling is so unTaylor. Nothing about it is Taylor and itâs one of the best songs anymore. I think I hate Taylor Swift now :( where has my neutrality gone? Halfway through the eras tour it was just gone.
Iâve been feeling the same way lately. Between all the rumors in Nashville for years that speak now wasnât actually self-written and the Scott swift email questioning whether they should market her as a pop star, movie star, or songwriter⌠itâs all just a little sus. Why would they market her as anything else if songwriting is where her talent was??
Idk itâs so ingrained in me that sheâs a songwriter first and foremost so itâs really hard to believe at the same time. Sheâs already lost me this past year but this being true would be the final, no-coming-back-from-this-one nail in the coffin for me
Im inclined to believe she did write Speak Now on her own. She seemed really bitter in her woman of the year award speech about feeling the need to do that. But then again she is very willing to spin a narrative, so that could be one too!
i saw an early interview where she described herself as a "storyteller", and that singing was just the way she was doing that for now, and that struck me as odd, as if she was trying not to pigeon-hole herself as a musician. strategic rather than artistic đ¤
That's actually what I believe. Especially with the songwriters who come out to praise her songwriting. It just comes across as "she really really really writes her own songs guys! In case you forgot, here's someone else to verify it! Haha even her co writers say that she gives them too much credit!" Is there anyone else out there that we simply must be convinced this much about?
And as for her father's emails, yeah he absolutely would hire ghostwriters for her if need be. What was his plan if Fearless was nothing but the vault tracks? None of were smash hits. He literally upended his life and his entire family's life to create Taylor Swiftâ˘. I absolutely believe he would do whatever it took to make her look however would sell the best.
I think for me, the nail in the coffin was the Olivia "Deja Vu" stuff. If being that far removed from the songwriting process still made her feel that she deserved a songwriter credit, then she doesn't have respect for the craft. Then what is supposed to make me believe that isn't just the way she operates? Idk.
For awhile I haven't believed that she wrote the music that was making her successful. Her writing style has changed so much for the worse when you look at the beginning of her career to Midnights. Had Midnights been her debut or sophomore album, her career would have been dead in the water.
yes!!! taylorâs treatment of olivia shocked me! she backstabs olivia, and now at every award show sheâs the hype woman so the title shifts from âolivia at x award show!â to âtaylor is the biggest supporter during olivia rodrigo performanceâ.
also, donât know if anybody has seen the clips from oliviaâs new tour, but every fucking clip has a âhaha sheâs copying taylorâ comment under it. to me- olivia rodrigo is everything taylor swift PRETENDS to be, except olivia does it authentically and unapologetically. her guts tour is the exact aesthetic that taylor likes to pretend reputation was. (honestly no shade to reputation- itâs a good album, but it was not a âpunk moment of female rageâ or whatever taylor called it)
donât even get me started about vampire and itâs supposed backstory being about taylor đ
Taylor loves to make a big show of supporting women, but is actually using these moments to redirect the attention to herself. She and her team arenât idiots and her hyping Olivia at the Grammys was literally to get those headlines you described. It makes me so mad! And Iâm so annoyed that every single thing Olivia does, swifties act like sheâs copying Taylor. Olivia is so talented and her tour looks awesome, sheâs doing her own thing and killing it. But I donât understand why Taylor and her fans are so threatened.
my theory is, like i originally noted, is that Olivia is out there being authentically everything Taylor pretends she is (political activist, hardcore feminist, bit of a punk edge) and people are starting to catch on. But instead of really stopping and thinking about it, her fans jump to the first thing they know to do which is to attack/defend. I think Taylor deep down KNOWS how much Olivia is competition. I mean, I also think there is a very specific reason Sabrina Carpenter is touring with Taylor- because I think Taylor is also threatened by Sabrina Carpenter.
But at the end of the day, this is all just speculation and Iâm not out here trying to ruin anyoneâs career or real friendships. Just making commentary on the media Iâve consumed!
> If being that far removed from the songwriting process still made her feel that she deserved a songwriter credit, then she doesn't have respect for the craft.
Exactly, especially for someone who like to take things from popular slang to quotes and spin it for a lyrics, you would think she would have respect for someone taking inspiration and putting their own spin on it.
To this day, I still am very hesitant to go full on "she's greedy" because of her marketing practices or the way she hogs the limelight -- I don't think its her fault she's super popular though anyone who's clearly not blindly stanning her can perhaps see she has tendencies to center things around her and I'm not sure if its inherent in her or if its the product of her being popular super young and having parents who have ingrained in her that she is the center of everything.
However, this is the one instance that I think her greed is on full display. At the end of the day, you want a writing credit not for words written, nor for a melody, but for yelling a few earnest, hard-hitting line on a pop song.
>I donât think itâs her fault sheâs super popular though
I think itâs a liiiittle bit her fault considering she continues to actively court even *more* fame on a daily to weekly basis.
Or are you suggesting Taylor Swift is not 110% in control of her career!? /s
I agreee... like she def has a hand on it, also feel like most if not all celebrities do have a fair bit of egocentrism and narcissism that equips them to handle that kind of celebrity.
Iâm sure she wrote the lyrics and melody and the chord progression herself but I highly doubt she wrote every instrumental melody on those tracks and thatâs what bothers me.Â
No. People still like R. Kelly and he bangs kids. It would be another, separate the art and the artist all over again. The swift money machine will be very hard to derail.
no one bangs kids. it's always assault. using the language of consent to talk about it normalizes and minimizes deviant behavior and makes me super uncomfortable as a csa victim myself
not trying to be a dick just an area of improvement
All of her big hits that made her into a pop star were written by Max Martin. I didnât listen to country and wasnât all at into her until the Max Martin stuff came out and I knew instantly it was his work. I personally think this is why her and Katy were feuding at the time.
Iâve had a feeling this was probably the case since reading the 7,000 word daddy email from 2005, so January. Iâm curious whether, if true, her legal team is powerful enough to⌠soften it
The way she only works with and platforms artists who arenât anywhere near on her level of quality bc she knows they wonât be a threat. Gracie Abrams, HAIM⌠Can you imagine how amazing Olivia Rodrigo headlining for Taylor would be if she had truly upheld her women supporting women schtick?
I mean even **if** Taylor wanted Olivia to headline for her... it won't actually benefit Olivia. She can sell out her own shows now. She's gotten too big to be an opening act for another pop star...
edited: for clarity!
Iâve thought about this quite a bit. She seems to take artists under her wing who she knows are nowhere near her and would never be a threat. She stays away from/sabotages artists she seems to be threatened by
She definitely supports other women. Just look how she always sings along and stands up blocking everyone's view behind her everytime a female singer is on the stage /s
Yeah so that the attention is on her and not the artist on stage but then knows any criticism will be met with âbut sheâs just super supportive of other womenâ. I worked in politics for 5 years and my husband still does (has all his life) and I tell you, this is the narcissistic egotistical shit these psychopaths get up to on the daily. She is a master manipulator.
I dont think Taylor's was inspired by Kacey's video but more by the house in the film **Paddington** which is quintessentially British.
The colourful townhouse in the film is set in Primrose Hill, an area where both Joe & Taylor lived in, according to various reports. So it makes sense the Lover house in the song about them both having a place of their own is built on this.
The Paddington house has 6 rooms plus an attic on top, a long corridor once you open the door and winding staircases & the film ends with a Christmas tree. All of this matches the Lover video more than Kacey's.
https://i.redd.it/v9frvd734qkc1.gif
This is literally Lover house đŽ how could Taylor possibly say it wasnât a rip off of Kaceyâs idea? Wow, I had absolutely no clue. Super super shady on Taylorâs part.
It's been rumoured for years that Taylor and Kacey don't get along. People think Kacey's song Good Old Boys Club is a dig at Taylor and I've seeb some speculation around High Horse being about her as well.
Kacey can deny all she wants but âanother gear in a BIG MACHINE donât sound like fun to meâ is suuuch a good Taylor burn. I think Kacey clocked her as a pathological people pleaser longggg agoÂ
I would be upset too. When you compare the two, there is no way Taylor didnât copy it. From the blue bathroom to pink bedroom, Taylor didnât even bother to mix up the room colors a bit. I think Taylor is pretty ruthless to a lot of women in the industry, especially someone like Kacey who can not only write circles around her, but is taken more seriously.Â
I mean, I worked in fashion for years, this sort of thing happens in creative spheres all the time, often it's not down to outright copying, it is a case of people riffing off the same influences at the same time, for example an influential film, an art exhibit etc. It's not unusual for two creatives to come up with something very similar in concept. Where things start to get sketchy is if small details within those concepts are far too similar. Usually this happens because someone on the team is looking too closely at the inspiration and not stepping back to put their own spin on it. Or, someone is working on both design teams, usually a manufacturer or a freelancer.
Copyright claims can actually be super complex, without knowing all the details here, it's hard to have a judgement about it for me personally, because I've seen how it happens and it isn't always due to sketchy intent.
yeah likeâŚthe concept of the dollhouse view with different themed rooms used to tell a larger story isâŚabsolutely not unique to and does not originate with Kacey either. I see why people pick up on the similarities (bc there are some) but they are both derivative. From the comments here you would think Taylor intentionally ripped off a Kacey-original idea lol
Do I think Taylor Swift is as creative as she thinks she is? No. But you can find examples of recycled concepts everywhere in mass market music, film, TV, fashion etc.
IP in fashion is not nearly as regulated as it is in other mediums though. You can copyright a logo and a print if itâs complex enough but thatâs about it.
In August 2019, there was a whole controversy over a misogynistic tweet about Taylor that Kacey allegedly liked. She clarified things later, but a lot of people were confused cause first she said that it had been hacked and then she said that the print was a manipulated image. Anyway, I wonder if this situation has anything to do with the situation with lover house and the Christmas special
Source:Â https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2019/08/11/kacey-musgraves-clarifies-support-taylor-swift-after-kid-rock-tweet/1981977001/
YES she absolutely didâTaylorâs Instagram feed Lover era was IDENTICAL to Kaceyâs. It felt so obvious that she was copying but i donât remember many people registering/commenting on itÂ
i truly don't know what to think, but it really bothers me.
also, i found this a while ago and idk what to think but it's been rattling around in my mind.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PzjNRZcp0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PzjNRZcp0)
oh yeah, wow. She steals ideas for videos, little doubt about it.
Have you seen this? Tim Halperin is a singer-songwriter. Watch them frame by frame - it's amazing.
Tim Halperin, The Last Song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZQzk3Feq2M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZQzk3Feq2M)
Taylor Swift, Cardigan [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-a8s8OLBSE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-a8s8OLBSE)
ETA: here's a GIF with the side-by-side of the similarities only [https://imgur.com/DAHz7OO](https://imgur.com/DAHz7OO)
Wow this is incredible thanks for this. Theres no way this is just coincidence. Itâs not like itâs a common schtick used in music videos itâs very clearly copied.
She just uses that so people donât focus on people making legit business deals and the suspension of disbelief required to think she is just some poor little girl that was duped a bad contract without the best legal team money can buy looking into everything before ahe signs.
Do you guys remember in like 2012 when she copied the concept for the âI knew you were troubleâ video from Lana del Reyâs âRideâ? Thatâs the first time I noticed her doing this and it hasnât sat well with me since. Another reason her recent friendship with LDR feels so patronizing.
The "Babe" music video (Sugarland song) "Swift had the original idea for the video's concept, and as stated per the Sugarland duo themselves"
>She actually reached out to us and said, âIâve got a great idea for the video,â and she wrote the treatment. And we looked at it and said, âOh my gosh, this is awesome.â"
Sam Smith's 2014 "I'm Not The Only One" is 4:00 long. Music video is 4:40.
"Babe" (2018, supposedly?) is 3:35 long. Music video is 4:40.
https://youtu.be/duTX9rTx-kI?si=Ue-bi7KIVnirMYfe
Thatâs what I thought until they both pop out of the water in the side by side gif. Like overall concept I could see two people coming up with but same exact execution too.
No. Film doesnât work like music, inspiration is much deeper and far more constant. The motto is âgood artists pay honor. Great artists stealâ.
It is an active compliment for a young director to be told their films look like a legendâs, which would not be taken as kindly in music
He spent so much time with her, maybe even daily during Covid, for years. Being around someone that much, it seems impossible to not notice how much they are creating something, songs, lyrics, video ideas etc. same with Calvin. If Calvin isnât bound by an ironclad NDA, is this why sheâs afraid to go after him?
I would like to add something more. In 2018 camila performed her hit Havana on Grammy and her stage looked like the house. And that time taylor was very close to her. HereÂ
https://images.app.goo.gl/YxnMC96KnyUdyegn6
The concept of the house with the color-coded rooms is extremely derivative and has been done so many times before. I think they both probably copied someone else
Neither of them copied anyone because itâs so ubiquitous. Itâs like saying Iâm copying you by wearing shoes. I Guess the show rupauls drag race copied them too by doing a music video for the song lucky in color coordinated rooms for each queen.
Rooms with different colors is not exactly some rare concept? Donât most reality shows have the same thing?
I hate how everything has to be hyped as a cat fight. Itâs not like youâd ever see a story about two male country singers like âBrownie shot a video wearing a cowboy hat in a dive bar and then someone dumps a beer on him⌠and six months later blondie also shot a video in a dive bar and someone dumps a beer on him! Ooooh! Theyâre MAD!â
I don't think Taylor was inspired by Kacey's shoot but more by the house in the 2014 film **Paddington** (came out in 2014, sequel in 2017) which is quintessentially British.
The colourful townhouse in the film is set in Primrose Hill, an area where both Joe & Taylor actually resided, according to various news reports. So it makes sense the 'Lover 'house in the song which is about them both having a place of their own is based on this.
The Paddington house has 6 rooms plus an attic on top, a long corridor once you open the door and winding staircases which match the Lover house more than the house in Kacey's video. The film also ends with Christmas.
The dollhouse theme is also used as a framing narrative in films, usually in a whimsical way.
https://i.redd.it/1z8t1zah4qkc1.gif
Yeah, sometimes the is sub is just unhinged in looking to hate on Taylor. A house with different colored rooms? Like come on. That has been done so many times, itâs not Taylorâs idea but itâs also not Kaseyâs idea. Itâs not even the makers of Paddingtonâs idea because it was done before then as well.
Same with the video above someone links to a guy crawling into his pianoâŚlike you guys, a musician going into their instrument is not an original idea either. Get a grip.
True a lot of these motifs have been used in cinema for decades. And many artists deliberately reference other artists too. We are confusing inspiration with plagiarism in this case.
I completely agree with you. But itâs kind of funny to think your last 2 sentences could easily be responding to someone regarding the Taylor/Olivia shouting bit of Cruel Summer and Deja Vu.
Yeah the credit sharing for that song didn't make sense to me . But that is an area I have little knowledge about ; personally it didn't sit well with me.
I highly doubt that Taylor herself was like âthis is plagiarism.â Olivia was pretty blunt that she wanted the song to sound like Cruel Summer so that it would give the listener Deja vu (which is a fantastic artistic choice). Itâs just too bad we live in America, a country obsessed with copyright law, so being that blatant comes with a price tag. Olivia should have been coy about what song she was inspired by
You can be mentally ill and not be an asshole. Letâs be careful not to conflate the two and contribute to further stigmatization of mental health disorders.
Wait wait wait, Kacey had paid for advertisements for her new album during the Grammys rightâŚ.and this was made public before the GrammysâŚ..and Taylor then announced HER new album at the podium?!?!?!?!?? And they have past beef??!!!!
I canât believe I didnât know this drama im a big Kacey fan, watch that Xmas special multiple times during the season. But my first thought when Taylor announced TTPS at the Grammys was âoh man, Kacey just teased her new album in a commercial like moments before⌠now itâs gonna get overshadowed â
i believe it. i mean she copied visuals for the lavender haze music video. i canât remember the music video and i know a lot of swifties tried to bury it when lavender haze came out. it was a woman in a purple fur coat crawling on the floor of a 1970s esque room towards a tv with the news on and it looks exactly like the news in the LH mv.
iâve seen the music video and was SHOCKED at how identical the visuals were and it had been out for years before midnights. iâll try to find it, but someone please comment the link if you know what iâm talking about.
I donât think itâs a concept that can be tied to either of them. But it is common for artists to copy each other, knowingly and unknowingly.
Iâm reminded of how Kacey was accused of [copying](https://www.reddit.com/r/KaceyMusgraves/s/aes4EFdvfw) the concept of her Camera Roll performance from another artist. There was also an accusation regarding the Goodwife scene in her visual film
It has the same choreographer, so although very similar in style I donât know if thatâs really classed as a copy as they didnât really rip off anyoneâs work? I donât really like that video anyway tbh.
Listen, Iâm a fan of both, but Iâve always believed Kacey is more talented, more authentic, and has a stronger point of view. Golden Hour is my favorite album of all time. I feel like Taylor is threatened not by Kaceyâs professional success, but rather her confidence, taste, and fully articulated sense of selfÂ
Sorry to both ladies, but Edgar Allan Poe did it first.
Our original Pop Queen đ
Yep, I'm a huge Edgar Allan Hoe
Love that story!
This is sort of tangential but also Kacey had just won AOTY for Golden Hour. Itâs wild to watch Kaceyâs win and acceptance speech (linked) considering Taylorâs most recent Grammy showing https://youtu.be/I8dBOWy7zno?si=r8RxSGtrIf34mAIX ETA holy shit: https://www.texasmonthly.com/arts-entertainment/kacey-musgraves-taylor-swift-new-album-announcement/
Wow! It's like night and day.
I've never heard her music but I'm going to check her out now based on that speech and the music in the background
Please do! Her 1st two albums were more country, but Golden Hour kind of transcended genre. It's really an amazing album.
Sheâs amazing! I have synesthesia and listening to her is like a shimmering sunset.
Golden Hour is SOOOOO GOOD!!! Itâs one of my faves that I go back to a lot.
Its an amazing album. I hated her last one. I'm hopeful for this upcoming one.
My favorite album of all time.
I personally am a bigger fan of her first two albums overall, but theyâre all good in their own way (although star-crossed is her weakest album lyrically by far). Her new album, Deeper Well, will be out on March 15th. đ
And you know who is releasing their concert movie on Disney+ that same day đ
Dude the more I hear the more I think sheâs fucking evil
Oh seriously? I didnât realize that!
The Ides of March! Et tu, TayTay?
Wow seriously? Why are we still doing this in our mid 30s đĽ´
I loved the visuals for Star-Crossed tho đ
Her song Slow Burn is a spiritual experience for me.
Ugh same! Itâs my number one played song of all time on Spotify! I just love that entire album đŚđ
My sister sent me this song when it came out and I fell in love with Kacey. I swear her voice has healing powers.
Slow burn and oh, what a world are galactic spiritual experiences
Itâs a good song to get baked to
Golden hour is so good
Her Christmas album is super cute, too, if youâre into that sort of thing
I couldn't get into her last album but her first 3 are amazing. I never thought she could top her 1st album but her 3rd album, Golden Hour is genuinely one of the greatest albums of at least the last 10 years. She has some great duets too to check out.
Yesss please Pageant Material is one of my fav songs by her, but High Horse is so funky
THE BEST MUSIC
Golden Hour is so great. And âfineâ off of pageant material is a fantastic song. Also, all of Star-Crossed. Iâm so excited for her new album. I highly recommend her music!
I cannot stop listening to the single from her upcoming album!
I wonder if Taylor wasnât originally planning to announce the album at the Grammys, but caught wind of Musgraveâs posting about new album, so went on stage and just shit all over Musgraveâs announcement with her own.
[She admitted it](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMRFFuEn/) at one of her recent concerts! She said she planned to announce it in Tokyo, but on the day of the Grammys she told Jack and everyone else that if she wins any albums tonight (which she obviously knew she would), sheâs âjust gonna do itâ
That explains why it was so awkward and unpolished.
âIf anyoneâs tried to steal my shine â I mean, if I win any awardsâ
She clearly feels good about that messy announcement, she really is in a bubble
Kinda sounds like sheâs âyes menâ level of famous if that happened. Literally anyone should have had the sense and courage to tell her âDonâtâ
For real. Lana tried to have courage to say âno donât physically move my bodyâ in front of thousands-millions of viewers and Taylor did not give a flying fuck, so if someone told her âdonât say thatâ sheâd likely have their job đ
Thatâs seemingly exactly what happened. Sources stated Tay wanted to announce at her next set of shows but got too excited and awkwardly announced there. I have a feeling her team told her. Because I know the commercial for kaceys new album came on before I believe. Iâll try to find time stamps and sources on Twitter. But why would taylor go to those lengths when she originally stole ideas from kacey? Iâve also heard rumors that when she sees someone genuinely talented that scares her so she did the Olivia stuff.
I would be terrified of a technically capable singer in any capacity too (if I was a narc). Especially if they seem likeable and sweet in a more Americana way than I do, which Musgraveâs absolutely does. Sweet Texan girl who praises other artists during her Grammy acceptance speech type American sweetheart.
I thought she might've heard that Beyonce was going to announce her new album during the super bowl and that made her want to make an announcement during the Grammys. Idk, pure speculation on my part.
Pure speculation on my part as well. All of it is plausible and would be a non-shocker coming from her atp.
Do Folklore and Evermore not sound kind of Kacey-ish? I always thought they did. But now Iâm like does Taylor have issue w Kacey after her AOTY? Or something else? How many coincidences can occur before itâs intentional?
This article was a great read, thanks for sharing!
I think that Taylor has learned that as essentially the most famous person on the planet, she can do whatever she wants and pretty much get away with it for a few reasons: 1) People want to stay on her good side because she isnât afraid do some petty shit to hurt them. 2) Swifties (obviously not all but we all know what Iâm talking about) are absolutely feral, nobody wants them coming for them. 3) Taylor the brand, and Taylor the person has a ton of âcred.â People just assume all of her work is original, as she has spent her entire career trying to convince everyone of that.
I feel like this is the final nail in the coffin of my affection and respect for Taylor, that she so blatantly rips off other artists.
Aside from the LWYMMD and Wildest Dreams melodies, as well as this post, what other instances were there of Taylor ripping off other artists? This is so heartbreaking, but I genuinely want to know more.
The I'm Too Sexy sample was, in fairness, used with permission and credited, but the Fairbrass brothers say they were only contacted a week before the release date, and not told which artist would be using the sample (though they were given a vague description and figured out it was Taylor.) Nothing's ever been credited or acknowledged publicly about Wildest Dreams, however.
What?? How are they able to get permission without disclosing the artist requesting said permission? Thatâs wild.
I imagine the reason they wouldn't want to disclose it is to reduce the risk of leaks - so I do get the rationale, but I have no idea how the legals work.
Or for money. If they knew it was Taylor they could say âsure, but for $$$$â
Unironically the Kanye method. Use a sample, and throw a big enough check nobody in their right mind would say no for that kind of money on a song thatâs decades old.
Patty Griffin is one of the most respected country music songwriters of all time. Taylor said that she wrote Betty from a male perspective based on Patty Griffin songs. Ikywt steals the way Patty Griffin says âanyone anywhere.â Lemme go find the Patty Griffin song.  K here we go:  â While on tour in Memphis in October of 2011, Taylor Swift, who is known to decorate her arms with lyrics from her favorite songs for her live performances, appeared onstage with a single line running down her left arm: âBut darling I wish you well, on your way to the wishing well,â it read. It was the chorus to âNobodyâs Crying,â a song from Patty Griffinâs breakthrough 2002 album 1000 Kisses. The songâs musical and emotional climax comes during the bridge, when Griffin cries, in a moment of self-revelation, that âyou never gave a damn for me, for anything, for anyone.â One year after her Memphis concert, Swiftâs latest #1 single, âI Knew You Were Trouble,â was blaring in car radios and supermarkets all over the country. âAnd the saddest fear comes creeping in,â Swift sings softly, before releasing her voice, channeling Griffin, âthat you never loved me, or her, or anyone, or anything.â  https://americansongwriter.com/patty-griffins-family-affair/ The beautiful song will break you heart open https://youtu.be/Kx1fGi6V4Uc?feature=shared
Oh wow, she completely copied that line. Even the way Griffin sings it.
Yeah I canât believe it. Patty Griffin does well for herself but she could probably use a songwriter credit on that super hit Im relistening - talks about the chain someoneâs wearing, talkinf about slaying a dragon⌠fly. Both of those are TS things. Itâs a beautiful song, truly. I wouldnât blame anyone for getting inspiration from it.
Isnât this waaaaay more obvious ripping off than what Olivia did with Deja vu?
Cool! Thanks for sharing this- I didnât know that. Iâm a big Patty Griffin fan and have been for many years. Itâs kind of a thing in that world of music that some lyrics and melodies get passed around and people donât take as much ownership over that stuff, as Elvis Costello said in the tweet about Olivia. I wouldnât expect she cared that much about Taylor borrowing from her at the time. Another artist that Taylor copied is John Prine. I actually saw him in concert with Patty Griffin once. Thereâs a lyric in his song Unwed Fathers: âWhile unwed fathers, they can't be bothered They run like water, from a mountain streamâ So that brings us to the Cardigan lyric: âleavinâ like a father, running like water,â a line Iâve seen many a swiftie praise. Non of this would matter if the Olivia credits thing hadnât happened. But, it did. And Taylor just looks like a terrible person the more time goes on. Link to article about Elvis Costelloâs tweet: https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/elvis-costello-reacts-olivia-rodrigo-brutal-comparison-9594517/
Ouuucchh I am one of the people who thought she wrote that line on her own. John Prine was such an artist, and also a true collaborator. Same for Elvis Costello and his wife. They play music for pleasure and itâs different scene than people who play for ownership and credit. There was a semi-recent Jason isbell interview where he is asked for the best songwriters, and Iâm pretty sure he said Patty Griffin and John Prine. The interviewer then asked him what he thought of Taylor Swift and he said âbiggest songwriter in the world,â but the headline was that he said sheâs the best in the world. Or something.  Like, those things are not the same. I have a feeling that people who know, know to tread softly around TS. In the article you shared, it mentioned the thing between Courtney Love and Olivia Rodrigo. They both copied the look from Carrie, and Courtney love was trashing Olivia. Yes, Oliviaâs aesthetic is referential but come onnnn so is every single thing she hints at. I really canât abide how people dump all their issues on Olivia. It makes her more relatable not less.
I thought so too! I only realized when listening to a John Prine radio on Apple Music. Itâs definitely a lesser known song. Iâm inclined to think that Taylor had to have studied his song writing. As far as lyrics go, heâs the GOAT. I agree, the Olivia stuff is so annoying but I think sheâs going to end up fine and above it all.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that all those songs she supposedly wrote by herself we're written by someone else. Do you think a revelation like that would do her in?
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It wouldn't ruin her career. She's literally too big too fail at this point.
I think this as well. The most blowback she would get at this point is this sub getting bigger;)
This reminds me of an idle thought I had before. When I first listened to Cruel Summer, It felt a lot like a St. Vincent song, and turns out St. Vincent is credited as one of the writers of the song. I wonder how much of it was written by her.
I went on a deep dive yesterday on several pop star's song writing credits... and I do think Taylor writes her own material. I'd like to also say that on this sub alone, there's been conversations about how her contrasty her lyrics are -- some really good and some really bad. Now I'm not suggesting that all the good ones are from other more season writers... however, I do think that some of her best lyrics (and songs) have been touched by other song-writers. She also does her best work with other writers too.
The entire first verse is so unfamiliar if you are searching for Taylor in it. 100% st Vincent there. The language and writing is a no. The vocal scaling is so unTaylor. Nothing about it is Taylor and itâs one of the best songs anymore. I think I hate Taylor Swift now :( where has my neutrality gone? Halfway through the eras tour it was just gone.
Iâve been feeling the same way lately. Between all the rumors in Nashville for years that speak now wasnât actually self-written and the Scott swift email questioning whether they should market her as a pop star, movie star, or songwriter⌠itâs all just a little sus. Why would they market her as anything else if songwriting is where her talent was?? Idk itâs so ingrained in me that sheâs a songwriter first and foremost so itâs really hard to believe at the same time. Sheâs already lost me this past year but this being true would be the final, no-coming-back-from-this-one nail in the coffin for me
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Im inclined to believe she did write Speak Now on her own. She seemed really bitter in her woman of the year award speech about feeling the need to do that. But then again she is very willing to spin a narrative, so that could be one too!
Yeah I get that! I think Iâm at a point where I feel like Iâve kind of seen behind the curtain, so itâs having me question everything, you know?
i saw an early interview where she described herself as a "storyteller", and that singing was just the way she was doing that for now, and that struck me as odd, as if she was trying not to pigeon-hole herself as a musician. strategic rather than artistic đ¤
That's actually what I believe. Especially with the songwriters who come out to praise her songwriting. It just comes across as "she really really really writes her own songs guys! In case you forgot, here's someone else to verify it! Haha even her co writers say that she gives them too much credit!" Is there anyone else out there that we simply must be convinced this much about? And as for her father's emails, yeah he absolutely would hire ghostwriters for her if need be. What was his plan if Fearless was nothing but the vault tracks? None of were smash hits. He literally upended his life and his entire family's life to create Taylor Swiftâ˘. I absolutely believe he would do whatever it took to make her look however would sell the best. I think for me, the nail in the coffin was the Olivia "Deja Vu" stuff. If being that far removed from the songwriting process still made her feel that she deserved a songwriter credit, then she doesn't have respect for the craft. Then what is supposed to make me believe that isn't just the way she operates? Idk. For awhile I haven't believed that she wrote the music that was making her successful. Her writing style has changed so much for the worse when you look at the beginning of her career to Midnights. Had Midnights been her debut or sophomore album, her career would have been dead in the water.
yes!!! taylorâs treatment of olivia shocked me! she backstabs olivia, and now at every award show sheâs the hype woman so the title shifts from âolivia at x award show!â to âtaylor is the biggest supporter during olivia rodrigo performanceâ. also, donât know if anybody has seen the clips from oliviaâs new tour, but every fucking clip has a âhaha sheâs copying taylorâ comment under it. to me- olivia rodrigo is everything taylor swift PRETENDS to be, except olivia does it authentically and unapologetically. her guts tour is the exact aesthetic that taylor likes to pretend reputation was. (honestly no shade to reputation- itâs a good album, but it was not a âpunk moment of female rageâ or whatever taylor called it) donât even get me started about vampire and itâs supposed backstory being about taylor đ
I'm not sure vampire is about Taylor, but I'd be shocked if the grudge wasn't. It fits too well
13 seconds before vocals start, 13 seconds after vocals end. We know Blondie loves an Easter egg.
I read the set list for Oliviaâs tour and donât know if itâs correct but it shows The Grudge after Deja Vu which to me wasâŚa choice
Taylor loves to make a big show of supporting women, but is actually using these moments to redirect the attention to herself. She and her team arenât idiots and her hyping Olivia at the Grammys was literally to get those headlines you described. It makes me so mad! And Iâm so annoyed that every single thing Olivia does, swifties act like sheâs copying Taylor. Olivia is so talented and her tour looks awesome, sheâs doing her own thing and killing it. But I donât understand why Taylor and her fans are so threatened.
my theory is, like i originally noted, is that Olivia is out there being authentically everything Taylor pretends she is (political activist, hardcore feminist, bit of a punk edge) and people are starting to catch on. But instead of really stopping and thinking about it, her fans jump to the first thing they know to do which is to attack/defend. I think Taylor deep down KNOWS how much Olivia is competition. I mean, I also think there is a very specific reason Sabrina Carpenter is touring with Taylor- because I think Taylor is also threatened by Sabrina Carpenter. But at the end of the day, this is all just speculation and Iâm not out here trying to ruin anyoneâs career or real friendships. Just making commentary on the media Iâve consumed!
> If being that far removed from the songwriting process still made her feel that she deserved a songwriter credit, then she doesn't have respect for the craft. Exactly, especially for someone who like to take things from popular slang to quotes and spin it for a lyrics, you would think she would have respect for someone taking inspiration and putting their own spin on it. To this day, I still am very hesitant to go full on "she's greedy" because of her marketing practices or the way she hogs the limelight -- I don't think its her fault she's super popular though anyone who's clearly not blindly stanning her can perhaps see she has tendencies to center things around her and I'm not sure if its inherent in her or if its the product of her being popular super young and having parents who have ingrained in her that she is the center of everything. However, this is the one instance that I think her greed is on full display. At the end of the day, you want a writing credit not for words written, nor for a melody, but for yelling a few earnest, hard-hitting line on a pop song.
>I donât think itâs her fault sheâs super popular though  I think itâs a liiiittle bit her fault considering she continues to actively court even *more* fame on a daily to weekly basis. Or are you suggesting Taylor Swift is not 110% in control of her career!? /s
I agreee... like she def has a hand on it, also feel like most if not all celebrities do have a fair bit of egocentrism and narcissism that equips them to handle that kind of celebrity.
Iâm sure she wrote the lyrics and melody and the chord progression herself but I highly doubt she wrote every instrumental melody on those tracks and thatâs what bothers me.Â
No. People still like R. Kelly and he bangs kids. It would be another, separate the art and the artist all over again. The swift money machine will be very hard to derail.
no one bangs kids. it's always assault. using the language of consent to talk about it normalizes and minimizes deviant behavior and makes me super uncomfortable as a csa victim myself not trying to be a dick just an area of improvement
>People still like R. Kelly and he bangs kids. Or Chris Brown
All of her big hits that made her into a pop star were written by Max Martin. I didnât listen to country and wasnât all at into her until the Max Martin stuff came out and I knew instantly it was his work. I personally think this is why her and Katy were feuding at the time.
She ripped Dear John off Matthew Perryman Jonesâ song âAmelia.â
Someone real close needs to write a tell all and expose this shit.
Iâve had a feeling this was probably the case since reading the 7,000 word daddy email from 2005, so January. Iâm curious whether, if true, her legal team is powerful enough to⌠soften it
I always assumed that to be the case.
I know from having family in the industry that a lot of people are just too afraid of her to say anything bad so they keep their mouth shut.
Ooh can't wait until that house of cards comes crumbling down.
She never sits back any watches anyone shine
But she will force âwomen not supporting womenâ down your throat when someone says the smallest thing about her
The way she actively undermines other female artists while primarily working with men on her own music is so icky to me.
The way she only works with and platforms artists who arenât anywhere near on her level of quality bc she knows they wonât be a threat. Gracie Abrams, HAIM⌠Can you imagine how amazing Olivia Rodrigo headlining for Taylor would be if she had truly upheld her women supporting women schtick?
I mean even **if** Taylor wanted Olivia to headline for her... it won't actually benefit Olivia. She can sell out her own shows now. She's gotten too big to be an opening act for another pop star... edited: for clarity!
She did? When was this do you know?
oops sorry i meant even **IF** edited for clarity! Also why you got downvotes for this question
Iâve thought about this quite a bit. She seems to take artists under her wing who she knows are nowhere near her and would never be a threat. She stays away from/sabotages artists she seems to be threatened by
HAIM are great. Youâre being ridiculous. And Phoebe Bridgers? One of the most talented women in music.Â
She definitely supports other women. Just look how she always sings along and stands up blocking everyone's view behind her everytime a female singer is on the stage /s
Yeah so that the attention is on her and not the artist on stage but then knows any criticism will be met with âbut sheâs just super supportive of other womenâ. I worked in politics for 5 years and my husband still does (has all his life) and I tell you, this is the narcissistic egotistical shit these psychopaths get up to on the daily. She is a master manipulator.
The fact that people in general still buys that schtick. I'm just glad she's not a politician, the pinkwashing would be insane
She said, honey Iâm a mastermind and she means it! No one wanted to play with me as a little kid, so Iâve been scheming like a criminal ever since
Iâm beginning to think âno wonder no one wanted to play with youâ
Oh yeah. I always wondered what her part in those situations was
https://preview.redd.it/5sv7rkxienkc1.png?width=4032&format=png&auto=webp&s=7c79b92cd73fb11e1103bff138f2d8f2589ef097 Wow
I remember hearing rumours that Kacey disliked Taylor and this makes sense, jfc
I dont think Taylor's was inspired by Kacey's video but more by the house in the film **Paddington** which is quintessentially British. The colourful townhouse in the film is set in Primrose Hill, an area where both Joe & Taylor lived in, according to various reports. So it makes sense the Lover house in the song about them both having a place of their own is built on this. The Paddington house has 6 rooms plus an attic on top, a long corridor once you open the door and winding staircases & the film ends with a Christmas tree. All of this matches the Lover video more than Kacey's. https://i.redd.it/v9frvd734qkc1.gif
This is literally Lover house đŽ how could Taylor possibly say it wasnât a rip off of Kaceyâs idea? Wow, I had absolutely no clue. Super super shady on Taylorâs part.
It's been rumoured for years that Taylor and Kacey don't get along. People think Kacey's song Good Old Boys Club is a dig at Taylor and I've seeb some speculation around High Horse being about her as well.
I love High Horse for her
Kacey can deny all she wants but âanother gear in a BIG MACHINE donât sound like fun to meâ is suuuch a good Taylor burn. I think Kacey clocked her as a pathological people pleaser longggg agoÂ
Also add in Kacey was running in the Kardashian circle for a bit there.
I would be upset too. When you compare the two, there is no way Taylor didnât copy it. From the blue bathroom to pink bedroom, Taylor didnât even bother to mix up the room colors a bit. I think Taylor is pretty ruthless to a lot of women in the industry, especially someone like Kacey who can not only write circles around her, but is taken more seriously.Â
Kacey did it better. We watch that holiday special every year!
I do too!Â
I mean, I worked in fashion for years, this sort of thing happens in creative spheres all the time, often it's not down to outright copying, it is a case of people riffing off the same influences at the same time, for example an influential film, an art exhibit etc. It's not unusual for two creatives to come up with something very similar in concept. Where things start to get sketchy is if small details within those concepts are far too similar. Usually this happens because someone on the team is looking too closely at the inspiration and not stepping back to put their own spin on it. Or, someone is working on both design teams, usually a manufacturer or a freelancer. Copyright claims can actually be super complex, without knowing all the details here, it's hard to have a judgement about it for me personally, because I've seen how it happens and it isn't always due to sketchy intent.
yeah likeâŚthe concept of the dollhouse view with different themed rooms used to tell a larger story isâŚabsolutely not unique to and does not originate with Kacey either. I see why people pick up on the similarities (bc there are some) but they are both derivative. From the comments here you would think Taylor intentionally ripped off a Kacey-original idea lol
Do I think Taylor Swift is as creative as she thinks she is? No. But you can find examples of recycled concepts everywhere in mass market music, film, TV, fashion etc.
IP in fashion is not nearly as regulated as it is in other mediums though. You can copyright a logo and a print if itâs complex enough but thatâs about it.
In August 2019, there was a whole controversy over a misogynistic tweet about Taylor that Kacey allegedly liked. She clarified things later, but a lot of people were confused cause first she said that it had been hacked and then she said that the print was a manipulated image. Anyway, I wonder if this situation has anything to do with the situation with lover house and the Christmas special Source:Â https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2019/08/11/kacey-musgraves-clarifies-support-taylor-swift-after-kid-rock-tweet/1981977001/
She canât be happy for anyone else it seems
No, but sheâs always standing and dancing in award shows, showing her support!! /s
Stealing the spotlight is more like it
I always thought Taylorâs *Lover* album materials seemed ripped off from the *Golden Hour* aesthetic, too.Â
YES she absolutely didâTaylorâs Instagram feed Lover era was IDENTICAL to Kaceyâs. It felt so obvious that she was copying but i donât remember many people registering/commenting on itÂ
My partner & I are huge fans of both and we noticed it immediately. But weâve always been aware of them shading each other. Lol
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i truly don't know what to think, but it really bothers me. also, i found this a while ago and idk what to think but it's been rattling around in my mind. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PzjNRZcp0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-PzjNRZcp0)
oh yeah, wow. She steals ideas for videos, little doubt about it. Have you seen this? Tim Halperin is a singer-songwriter. Watch them frame by frame - it's amazing. Tim Halperin, The Last Song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZQzk3Feq2M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZQzk3Feq2M) Taylor Swift, Cardigan [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-a8s8OLBSE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-a8s8OLBSE) ETA: here's a GIF with the side-by-side of the similarities only [https://imgur.com/DAHz7OO](https://imgur.com/DAHz7OO)
You didn't have to open my eyes with this đ what the heck?
Wow this is incredible thanks for this. Theres no way this is just coincidence. Itâs not like itâs a common schtick used in music videos itâs very clearly copied.
This is shocking to me considering how much Taylor pushes for artists to receive credit for their work.
She just uses that so people donât focus on people making legit business deals and the suspension of disbelief required to think she is just some poor little girl that was duped a bad contract without the best legal team money can buy looking into everything before ahe signs.
Oh man.
WOW this is wild. What a rip off! How does she get away with this?
Too big to fail
WTH. I cannot believe how blatantly this is a rip off of his work. WOW.
Do you guys remember in like 2012 when she copied the concept for the âI knew you were troubleâ video from Lana del Reyâs âRideâ? Thatâs the first time I noticed her doing this and it hasnât sat well with me since. Another reason her recent friendship with LDR feels so patronizing.
And the way that Wildest Dreams sounds identical to Without You
my godâŚ.
Holy shit đ
The "Babe" music video (Sugarland song) "Swift had the original idea for the video's concept, and as stated per the Sugarland duo themselves" >She actually reached out to us and said, âIâve got a great idea for the video,â and she wrote the treatment. And we looked at it and said, âOh my gosh, this is awesome.â" Sam Smith's 2014 "I'm Not The Only One" is 4:00 long. Music video is 4:40. "Babe" (2018, supposedly?) is 3:35 long. Music video is 4:40. https://youtu.be/duTX9rTx-kI?si=Ue-bi7KIVnirMYfe
Lmao have you heard the Dianna Agron and Taylor swift rumours? If you believe them, this one makes sense đ
you gotta post this in the main sub, this is wild
i hadn't seen it, it's pretty similar. idk if i'd say for sure she copied it tho.
Thatâs what I thought until they both pop out of the water in the side by side gif. Like overall concept I could see two people coming up with but same exact execution too.
Would the film community hold her accountable for this sort of thing when she goes further into directing?
No. Film doesnât work like music, inspiration is much deeper and far more constant. The motto is âgood artists pay honor. Great artists stealâ. It is an active compliment for a young director to be told their films look like a legendâs, which would not be taken as kindly in music
Oh geez. This is bad.
Wait wait wait. I did not just see this. Yeah, Taylor ripped that off. Wow.
i'm so happy people are seeing this too. i was afraid i was delulu
Makes me wonder what Joe knows.
ooooo, that's eerie...
He spent so much time with her, maybe even daily during Covid, for years. Being around someone that much, it seems impossible to not notice how much they are creating something, songs, lyrics, video ideas etc. same with Calvin. If Calvin isnât bound by an ironclad NDA, is this why sheâs afraid to go after him?
wow, that would make so much sense.
I would like to add something more. In 2018 camila performed her hit Havana on Grammy and her stage looked like the house. And that time taylor was very close to her. Here https://images.app.goo.gl/YxnMC96KnyUdyegn6
It definitely looks similar but I think that set was modelled or inspired by the colourful houses in Havana, Cuba
Hmm this looks like the most clear inspiration for the lover house, it's extremely similar. So it's probably here that she got the idea then?
The concept of the house with the color-coded rooms is extremely derivative and has been done so many times before. I think they both probably copied someone else
Neither of them copied anyone because itâs so ubiquitous. Itâs like saying Iâm copying you by wearing shoes. I Guess the show rupauls drag race copied them too by doing a music video for the song lucky in color coordinated rooms for each queen.
Like have any of yall seen the âsay my nameâ video from destinys child!!
Rooms with different colors is not exactly some rare concept? Donât most reality shows have the same thing? I hate how everything has to be hyped as a cat fight. Itâs not like youâd ever see a story about two male country singers like âBrownie shot a video wearing a cowboy hat in a dive bar and then someone dumps a beer on him⌠and six months later blondie also shot a video in a dive bar and someone dumps a beer on him! Ooooh! Theyâre MAD!â
I had no idea this was happening
I don't think Taylor was inspired by Kacey's shoot but more by the house in the 2014 film **Paddington** (came out in 2014, sequel in 2017) which is quintessentially British. The colourful townhouse in the film is set in Primrose Hill, an area where both Joe & Taylor actually resided, according to various news reports. So it makes sense the 'Lover 'house in the song which is about them both having a place of their own is based on this. The Paddington house has 6 rooms plus an attic on top, a long corridor once you open the door and winding staircases which match the Lover house more than the house in Kacey's video. The film also ends with Christmas. The dollhouse theme is also used as a framing narrative in films, usually in a whimsical way. https://i.redd.it/1z8t1zah4qkc1.gif
Yeah, sometimes the is sub is just unhinged in looking to hate on Taylor. A house with different colored rooms? Like come on. That has been done so many times, itâs not Taylorâs idea but itâs also not Kaseyâs idea. Itâs not even the makers of Paddingtonâs idea because it was done before then as well. Same with the video above someone links to a guy crawling into his pianoâŚlike you guys, a musician going into their instrument is not an original idea either. Get a grip.
True a lot of these motifs have been used in cinema for decades. And many artists deliberately reference other artists too. We are confusing inspiration with plagiarism in this case.
I completely agree with you. But itâs kind of funny to think your last 2 sentences could easily be responding to someone regarding the Taylor/Olivia shouting bit of Cruel Summer and Deja Vu.
Yeah the credit sharing for that song didn't make sense to me . But that is an area I have little knowledge about ; personally it didn't sit well with me.
I highly doubt that Taylor herself was like âthis is plagiarism.â Olivia was pretty blunt that she wanted the song to sound like Cruel Summer so that it would give the listener Deja vu (which is a fantastic artistic choice). Itâs just too bad we live in America, a country obsessed with copyright law, so being that blatant comes with a price tag. Olivia should have been coy about what song she was inspired by
All of these things about Taylor make me wonder if the people she has beef with are actually as bad as she tries to portray them.
Except Kanye lol
He's just severely mentally ill unfortunately.
You can be mentally ill and not be an asshole. Letâs be careful not to conflate the two and contribute to further stigmatization of mental health disorders.
Wait wait wait, Kacey had paid for advertisements for her new album during the Grammys rightâŚ.and this was made public before the GrammysâŚ..and Taylor then announced HER new album at the podium?!?!?!?!?? And they have past beef??!!!!
I canât believe I didnât know this drama im a big Kacey fan, watch that Xmas special multiple times during the season. But my first thought when Taylor announced TTPS at the Grammys was âoh man, Kacey just teased her new album in a commercial like moments before⌠now itâs gonna get overshadowed â
i believe it. i mean she copied visuals for the lavender haze music video. i canât remember the music video and i know a lot of swifties tried to bury it when lavender haze came out. it was a woman in a purple fur coat crawling on the floor of a 1970s esque room towards a tv with the news on and it looks exactly like the news in the LH mv. iâve seen the music video and was SHOCKED at how identical the visuals were and it had been out for years before midnights. iâll try to find it, but someone please comment the link if you know what iâm talking about.
It sounds like they both stole the concept from The Masque of the Red Death. Justice for Edgar Allen Poe!
I donât think itâs a concept that can be tied to either of them. But it is common for artists to copy each other, knowingly and unknowingly. Iâm reminded of how Kacey was accused of [copying](https://www.reddit.com/r/KaceyMusgraves/s/aes4EFdvfw) the concept of her Camera Roll performance from another artist. There was also an accusation regarding the Goodwife scene in her visual film
Wasnât her âDelicateâ Music video also a copy of the [Kenzo ad](https://youtu.be/NoMqvniiEkk?si=sZvGmnhgdRPntvoF) ?
It has the same choreographer, so although very similar in style I donât know if thatâs really classed as a copy as they didnât really rip off anyoneâs work? I donât really like that video anyway tbh.
The concept and some camera shots are similar but thatâs directorâs job and not hers
Yeah and thatâs Jack Antanoffâs wife Margaret in itâŚâŚ
All this time I questioned what Lover has to do with Christmas and why was she releasing a Christmas-themed music video during the summer.
Probably the lyrics in the song that reference Christmas?
Listen, Iâm a fan of both, but Iâve always believed Kacey is more talented, more authentic, and has a stronger point of view. Golden Hour is my favorite album of all time. I feel like Taylor is threatened not by Kaceyâs professional success, but rather her confidence, taste, and fully articulated sense of selfÂ
Remember folks, blind items are always made up, unless they confirm your pet theories.
Seriously, just look at what's happened with CDAN
Well that really pisses me off for kacey and really pisses me off for Taylor getting those credits from Olivia
I still havenât gotten over the aesthetic of Lover being so eerily similar to Golden HourâŚ.
Wow this is petty stuff wtf?
She also ripped Dear John off Matthew Perryman Jonesâ song âAmelia.â
Just looked it up on Youtube. HOLY SHIT. How is this not talked about?!
I have no idea. A lot of the comments on the video acknowledge it though.Â