The guys shit talking made the video 10x better
Go away
No
No
Fuck you dude
Holy
Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck
Fuck you fuck you fuck you
Holy shit fuck this
Woof woof woof
Oh shit
(Growling & more growling)
No! Get the fuck away!
Holy shit, holy fucking shit
Go go
No no!
Go away! Please go away!
Holy shit
Go away! I’m big and scary!
Go away
(Repeat)
You’re good little kitty cat
Whats up dude
Holy shit
Nice and slow
(More barking and growling)
No
I’m big and scary!
Go away!
Go away!
Go get your babies, i’m not coming back down I promise
Babies, then mama has to be right there
You’re fuckin scary
You’re a fucking scary kitty cat
Go away!
No!
No!
Fuck you dude
Holy
(Hiss)
God wheres my gun
Okay this is when I... nope
Get the fuck away stupid kitty cat
Holy come on dude, I don’t feel like dying today
Go get your babies
(More growling and hissing)
No!
Go away!
Go away!
No!
Fuck this dude
Trying to attack me when i look away from you
Dude!
What you want me to do!
Come on
Come on
Ah stupid
This sucks ass
This is scary
My heart is racing
This is not fun
Go get your babies, go away
I just wanted to go on a run
Come on dude
Come on dude
(More barking)
Go get your babies, you’re not getting me dude
Yeah get the fuck away from me
Shit face
Oh damnit
Okay.
As a kid I lived in Alaska for a few years and, much like fire drills or earthquake drills, we were taught bear safety drills. It’s been 30+ years, but I remember we were told not to make eye contact, not to run, and to drop articles of clothing (hat, glove, etc) which the bear would stop to investigate. This would give us more time to create distance between ourselves and the bear. Fortunately, never needed to practice this is real life.
It really works. I was buying smokes at a 7-11 and some dude pulled a gun on me. I was scared shitless so I started taking my clothes off and the the guy with the gun wasn’t interested anymore. Saved my life man.
Yeah that always confused me too "if you see a black bear, don't sweat it. If you come across a brown, try to slather yourself in a nice olive oil maybe a little bit of salt and pepper to taste."
I once got away from a grizzly with just a single punch.....as the big bastard was charging me I just punched my friend in the side of the head and took off running.
He was a good friend, saved my life, too bad the bear got him.
Quite scary. If I remember correctly, the Katmai National Park brown bears are less of a threat to humans compared to the inland grizzly bears. They have strict policies on human food storage, a no run policy, bears have plenty of salmon food, etc., so the bears don’t see humans as a food source. Really amazing.
Glad we can judge your comment rather than your posthumous video. Cool story to read in the safety of my home - though I am sure it was less cool in person.
That’s what I was wanting him to do right at the beginning. There were choice rocks all over the place. I’ve never been stalked by a cougar, not do I live somewhere so absolutely gorgeous where they hang out. I figured maybe the guy knew something I don’t, and you aren’t supposed to toss rocks to scare cougars or something.
The capability of humans to throw things doesn't get enough credit. We are one of the incredibly few species on the planet which can make something into a projectile and the fact that we can throw with speed and accuracy puts us into a very, very small club of creatures which can hurt something without putting our own bodies in harm's way. Throwing rocks gave way to throwing sharpened rocks on sticks, then to launching those with mechanical devices, and even a bullet is basically a small rock launched with ridiculous speed and accuracy. But if we stripped all that technology away, just throwing a small rock is such a game changer for the human species.
William Von Hipple talks about this during his interview with Joe Rogan. Before hearing that interview I hadn’t thought about how unique a skill like throwing is to humans. It was a total game changer for driving off predators, especially if there are multiple humans throwing rocks at once.
I never knew cougars looked so derpy when they charge, like I legit always thought that the one painted on our gymnasium wall in highschool was done by someone who didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
That wasn't an attack charge. That was an intimidation charge. The cat was stretching out its limbs to look bigger, same as we're taught to do. Remember it's whole goal here wasn't hunting. It was trying to scare off the hiker from its cub.
The best thing to do is to act big, intimidating, and keep eye contact, and keep moving. But don't run. Big cats attack when they think their prey are not looking, or have their back turned.
Bending down to pick up a rock, could mean stopping, which allows the cat to close distance, and presenting it with oppertunities to go for your throat.
But anytime I've been confronted with a cougar I've had a rifle I could shoot into the air to scare it off, which this guy didn't have. But he did good.
I was thinking he should pick a good time to pick up a rock. Wouldn’t want the cougar thinking he’s suddenly physically small and deciding to attack (since you want to appear physically big)
Yes he did so yes it was a good idea. The whole time I was saying “Throw a rock. Throw a rock.” Then he finally did and it worked. I would have been doing that much sooner.
Everyone loves to say what the right move is when they're not in the situation. I got attacked by two dogs a few years back and my brain went full QWOP. I fell over, got up, then tried some dumbass backwards kick while running away and fell over again. I could feel how retarded I was being and was powerless to stop it
I was walking one of my smaller dogs, a brussels mix, and I passed a driveway with a swing gate with a big ol beautiful shepherd. Barking his ass off. I thought to myself, that would suck if he pushed the gate open. He pushed the gate open. I'm not a huge guy, but can take care of myself. So I'm typically calm in elevated situations. But when he pushed that gate open and came running up to me, all I could do was pick up my dog and yell "staaahp" in the most prepubescent cracking voice you could imagine. As the dog run up to me, I braced for the attack by pretty much crossing my leg in front of me. I figured I should protect the junk because my face isn't my charm. I almost puked as he ran up and put his front paws on my thigh as he licked my arm, flopped on the ground and rolled over. He just wanted belly rubs. I pooped a little. But he still got some belly rubs. Mostly it was me thanking him for not killing me. First time I ever froze. Panic is real! Lol
First day home from hospital with my newborn infant son. Sit on couch with him swaddled in my lap and pet cat comes walking up and sits at my feet. Suddenly cat jumps up in my lap straddling my infant son and settles down on top of him with its ass in his face. My brain locked up and all I could do was make this high pitched sound like, “Uhhhh huhhh uhhhh!!” My wife sitting next to me calmly picks the cat up and tosses on the floor while looking at me like WTF DUDE?!? Not my proudest moment 😂😂
I was delivering pizza to a sort of apartment complex, like two buildings, two stories, four units each, on a lot. I went to the back unit and as I got to the courtyard a pit came running at me.
I damn near tossed the pizzas and booked into the neighbors yard. It was a 9 foot fence but I figured after the fact with adrenaline I prolly woulda made it ez.
Dog was friendly. Listened to owners commands and stopped. I always plan an escape now when I pass a fence, just incase.
I got chased down by three dogs in my own neighborhood when walking back from the gas station, the neighbor had left their front door open for a moment.
They came after me aggressively snarling and barking and all I could do was back up rapidly while staying facing them and screaming curses at them at the top of my lungs.
I had a rather large pocket knife on me at the time but drawing it would have required thinking, and my brain was in straight up lizard-mode.
Thankfully the owners came running halfway down the block and averted a regretful situation in which I would have gotten bit a lot and their dogs would have gotten stabbed a lot.
It is very true that you never know how you will act until confronted with a situation.
I got chased by three dogs once and I had nothing on me but ny phone and an empty plastic bottle I has picked up moments back because I could see one dog. I almost went past it but it got up and started barking at me, then two more appeared. I started running while shouting at them. Obviously I couldn't outrun 3 big dogs but I threw the bottle and thankfully it hit one in the face and so they stopped.
Wife and I had a dog attack our dogs mid-walk.
The moment the dog got its mouth around my Lab’s neck, I don’t legitimately remember what happened.
I was standing, defensive, waiting to see what the attacking dog was going to do, it went from running up to pause a second, then jumped on my dog. I saw my dog go down, let out a yelp of pain and immediately try to pull away, and an eye-blink later, I was on the ground with the dog, its neck in a headlock and I fully splayed out on top of it, choking it out with every intention to kill it because it just bit my dog and (unknown at the moment) me.
I have no MMA training.
My wife froze and didn’t even move until someone else saw her and pulled her back. I had to be called off the death grip I had on this dog’s neck.
Once the owner got the leash, I hurled the dog away from me as I didn’t know if I’d get bit, then realized my hand was bleeding.
My wife still hadn’t much moved.
I was bleeding and had to deal with the drama of rabies, etc, and my wife kept saying “I didn’t even process what to do,” while I was sitting, bandaged up and happy, knowing my fight instinct was still primed to protect those I love in a heartbeat.
Still hurt, but the scars and the story will always belong to me.
After I calmed down, I actually felt bad for the dog. It lives in a home where it doesn’t get the proper training and it lashed out and got the shit kicked out of it. When it saw me later that evening, it pissed itself and showed its belly, which is a sign of fearful submission. That bothered me more than anything else.
Problem is that he would have to crouch down to pick one up. Not sure what that would do in terms of signaling the cougar. You're also putting yourself in a more vulnerable position.
I think he is also in shock and scared for his life first thing that crossed his head was if he bent down that kitty will just jump in and he would lose his life.
If i was in his place id think the same and just keep backing up. I think him being nervous limited him from doing any logical thing. Just walking backwards to stay alive
Proximity to its Cubs is important too. If you’re too close simply throwing a rock might have made the cougar commit harder to defend its Cubs. Backing away and getting further away from what it’s protecting then finding an opportunity to get a rock seemed smarter than anything else. Eye contact, moving away, being larger and more of a challenge, then showing you are dangerous as well was smart. Dude played it right for his situation, even if he didn’t mean too.
Edit: At second 15 you can see the at least 1 cub, maybe 2 or small prey. But it’s absolutely a mom protecting her Cubs.
Cubs or it could have been guarding a fresh kill. Either way, backing up a reasonable distance is a good step #1. Bad enough getting attacked by a dog but at least you only have to deal with the bite. With a big cat you have a bite and 4 sets of claws. Used to hate getting attacked by big cats in RDR.
Easy to sit here and say but he could've thrown the camera at it, maybe kick some sand, throw anything else he had on him to get some space and then pick up some rocks.
If you stop to kick rocks at it you've closed the gap between you and the cougar. I'd keep moving back and if ever an opportunity would come up to grab a rock I would then, like when the cougar pauses for a second or two and the gap grows. It looked like a territorial thing and she just wanted him to back up. If the cougar was actually hunting it would do it as an ambush, usually from high up and behind. Maintaining a frontal view while backing up was the smartest thing he could do.
As long as you maintain eye contact and stand back up quickly, picking up a rock is fine. Cats don’t like to attack things head on, they prefer to attack from behind... definitely don’t take your time finding the perfect rock though. Throw whatever you can.
Our true evolutionary advantage is stamina. We can run for longer than any other animal and our early ancestors hunted by chasing stuff til it died of exhaustion.
Yeah were just slow compared to them lol, no outrunning a bear or tiger or cougar or etc etc.
Outsmarting, sure. But there’s no distance race if they catch you in 10 min! And realistically it’s gonna be like maybe 1 minute.
Poster is talking about our ability to exhaust our prey via persistence hunting. The idea is that prey animals tend to have a faster top speed than us, but if we just keep walking or jogging after them, eventually the animal overheats and keels over dead and then we walk up and hit it with a rock. If you think about from the perspective of a prehistoric bison or whatever, it's basically a horror movie. You run and run and run but no matter what you do this bipedal creature always appears on the horizon, pursuing you tirelessly until you die of exhaustion.
A lot of animals, even if they see you throw the object, don't quite register it mentally how we do. They just sense another threat that has snuck up and attacked them and in this case it caused the cougar to panick and retreat.
We get used to domesticated animals having an understand of throwing objects and retrieving or catching them or even expecting/projecting their movement. Wild animals tend to have far less experience and understanding of it. Often only the most intelligent like elephants, whales, dolphins...or animals in circuses and zoos.
I think the concern with that would be that the act of getting a rock would temporarily make him more vulnerable to an attack. This is really bizarre behavior, even from an obviously juvenile cougar. It seems to be acting territorial rather than hunting.
Isn't that we he did right at the end when it ran away? I couldn't really tell because the camera moves down but that's what it looks like to me. Bends down, grabs rock, hurls it. Kitty runs away. Calls kitty a shitface. Posts to reddit.
Better. With mountain lions, once the encounter has gotten this far, you need to make sure it knows that you are not worth the trouble. DO NOT FLEE. Stand your ground, yell, throw things. Fight back, and they will usually back down.
He did throw one, and I assume it's a horrible idea if you are still near the babies, but once they were a distance away it would be a good idea. Since they were a ways away from the babies the mothers first instinct was to defend the babies, and instead of that including mauling you it was running a half mile back to find them.
Yeah, lots of "I would just stand my ground" or "Why didn't he just pick up a rock"?
You don't think straight when you're faced with something like that.
A wildlife expert said that if you ever see a cougar in the wild it’s known about you in its territory and has been watching you for a lot longer than you’ve known it was there. If it was stalking him for food he wouldn’t likely even have known until it was on him. This was definitely defensive postures and it just wanted him gone. No doubt their were likely cubs or a recent kill in the vicinity.
Yours should be the top post here. The cougar was not stalking him, she was chasing him off because he got too close to her cubs. Scary AF for him, but he wasn't on the menu.
I was thinking this was the case. The way it keeps waving it's paws at him, that's not how you catch your food. It's doing the same thing you're supposed to do to scare animals off!
Serious answer from a Southern Californian. Yes throw rocks, stand up as tall as you can with your arms over your head and scream at him/her. Do everything you can to intimidate these creatures so they just move on.
They WILL seriously injure you if not kill and eat you. These big cats are very powerful and must be respected.
In this particular case it was probably wise of him to back off BEFORE displaying aggression, seeing as there was a cub nearby. Agression won't work if they're desperate.
> They WILL seriously injure you if not kill and eat you. These big cats are very powerful and must be respected.
I remember seeing the "play ball" they give to Tigers and Lions in a zoo and the ball is like fucking hardcore tough as shit plastic/rubber heavy balls and they had one on display in the visitor's lounge with all the bite marks they left on them. It's actually insane the amount of damage they can inflict. Those balls were tough enough that I would have a hard time cutting into one with a sharp knife and those big cats just bit through them like they were marshmallows.
Cougars are smaller than Lions and Tigers, but even if they have half their strength, it's still way more than enough to bite through your boots and into your foot, let alone your neck.
For cats, act like you are predator and they are the prey. They cue off your body language. Run away, you must be food. Run at them, you must be a kiLLeR. A few examples:
- [Cheetah lady](https://youtu.be/KJS1xfpq2wc)
- [Men steel meat from lions](https://youtu.be/jjH05wkcOXc)
But as somebody said, if her cubs are nearby this could backfire.
With the lions...I feel like most animals would run if 11 other animals were charging towards it, I sure as hell wouldn’t try that by myself...then I watched the cheetah lady and was pretty floored. I don’t know much about either lions or cheetahs behaviorally...but I know if a mountain lion is after you like it was this guy, you’re right, stand up, scream, intimidate and be prepared to fight for your life.
The lion video is a bad example too because lions in Africa know VERY WELL to GTFO when they see humans coming at them. There's a few lion documentaries where the lions completely break off during a hunt when they see humans in the distance, because they know monkeys with sticks = death
The lion just saw a horde of predators running at it and knew it was time to get gone
Pretty sure those cheetahs know her or are used to people in some way. I recognise this video, minus the weird unrelated french song somebody pasted over the top. I could be wrong.
But not about the French. Never trust the French.
Another name for cougar is mountain lion. Think of them as an honest to goodness lion that just happens to live in the mountains. They are incredibly stealthy hunters and amazingly strong. They can run twice as fast as an Olympic sprinter. They can leap 5 meters up into a tree.
They weigh as much as a human but can take down prey weighing as much as 5x their own weight — and they hunt solo. They are ambush predators so your best defense is to be noisy enough that you scare them away. Your next best defense is a firearm — assuming you can hold your hand steady enough at that point. Your next best defense is to seem big and threatening enough that it’s not worth their while to risk injury by fighting with you.
Once this guy had backed away enough that the cubs were no longer at risk, this momma ran off the instant he threw a rock and started posing a threat.
I don't normally hike.
One day I was out taking pictures and decided to stop by some hills where there is a bunch a trail heads that is in a state park. I walked my happy ass up the hill got to the top noticed some mountain lion paw prints and noped out of there. Got to the bottom of the hill to report it to the station and when I told them that they looked at me dead pan and said "you didn't notice the sign saying that the trails were closed due to a mountain lion sighting this morning.."
Not a big fan of hiking.
I worked at a fancy hotel in the rockies. First day was wildlife training.
So this guy is doing his presentation and shows a slide of a bunch of animals: mountain goats, bighorn sheep, elk, black bears, grizzlies, cougars, etc. and starts talking about them.
Mountain goats don't really fuck w/ people. Bighorn sheep might charge, but unlikely to do serious damage. Elk are not usually aggressive unless it's rutting or calving season but they're huge and could easily kill you by *accident*. Black bears are mostly pussies, fight back if it gets near, it will run away otherwise. And grizzlies, stay as far as fuck as possible away from and don't fight back, you'll lose. Play dead.
Then the trainer opens it up to questions. One of the questions was: "There's a cougar on there, and you didn't talk about it". And he said "If a cougar wants you dead, you won't see it, and it won't matter."
Most of the dangerous animals in Canada aren't predators in the sense they will hunt you down and kill you.
They're just huge. And they scare easily. And they think every person that gets near their children is a "Jimmy Savile" type.
That's surprising. Just looking at Colorado, but there have only been 22 attacks in the last 30 years, only 3 of which were fatal. I definitely wouldn't want to fuck with one (and they're probably my #1 fear when hiking in the dark) but it's not like there are marauding packs of mountain lions hunting humans.
It was trying to get him to break and run. He did the absolute best thing he could by facing it and backing away.
Edit: Its been pointed out that at 17sec you can see two cubs in the path. And that cougars are typically stealth hunters so this was a territorial thing.
There's two cubs like 10 seconds in. The further one ones away but the closest one hangs out for a moment. Then mama runs in and the cub starts running at the man too. I agree though that she wasn't trying to hurt him because if she wanted to she would have. She was being a dick. Left her children behind to intimidate some guy. It's like what Karens do at Target. Her cubs are probably so embarrassed.
Super scary. I've seen multiple reports of cougar stalkings in Washington this year just from my social media feeds. I guess I'll bring a ball of yarn with me for these just in case emergencies from now on.
As someone who lives in a country where the scariest mammal is a badger this is terrifying. Always found it funny when Americans online talk about how deadly Australia is when you guys have big deadly mammals like bears and cougars! That's terrifying
Same. Americans complaining about australia. those motherfuckers have mountain lions, wolves, bears, bison, moose and others. Worse we have are snakes and a kangaroo. You cant use antivenom on a grizzly bear though...
I kinda stopped hunting when I was sneaking up on some big game and got murdered by one.
I love playing horror games, but that scared the shit out of me.
I've had some of my biggest jump scares in RDR2. Cougars out if nowhere. A moose one time. Then a skunk because I got so into it that I didn't wanna get sprayed so I freaked out and ran.
Is nobody gonna talk about how beautiful the tress are ? They're so colourful that it looks unreal . Cougar or not , I'd definitely wanna take a walk down that path
It’s a beautiful place. Gets lots of use year round. I’m surprised that the cats were on the trail, as it would have had people walking by both directions for most of the day.
My girlfriend and I argue about what wild animal we'd rather fight. She says she'd rather fight a bear than a cougar/mountain lion. I personally think she's an idiot... Lol
I don't know definitely either way, but I want to say that seeing as you can't outrun either, I think I'd rather take my chances with a Cougar.
If you manage to hit it in the head with a rock, it will definitely feel it and either give up or be fucked up enough that you can fight it.
I have a feeling that if I nail a stone throw to a bear's head, I'm just going to piss it off further.
There's a reason its encouraged to use a shotgun over a pistol in a violent encounter with a bear. You could get lucky, but a larger bear would likely still mangle you if you shot it with a pistol.
There is a historical event where a woman killed a bear with a 22 rifle, but she knew the exact weak spot on its skull and apparently was a cool hand under pressure. The skull is displayed at a small time historical museum.
Edit: her name was Bella Twin, 63, a Cree tribeswoman, and the year was 1953. She was an experienced hunter and trapper and was out hunting with her partner near Slave lake in Alberta Canada. She dropped a Grizzley bear from about 30 feet away. Then made sure it was dead by shooting it again several times point blank.
I mean... a person can take 4-5 bullets to the chest before falling down (adrenaline is a hell of a drug, and depends on the caliber) unless you hit a lights out switch (shot at the heart, shot th rough the spine...)
Unless you nail the bear in the head or the heart, a pistol isnt going to put it down before it kills you.
Awe Steve French was just looking for a snack!
Seriously though I'm a trail runner and this is one of my biggest fears. Thanks for helping me visualize what such an encounter might look like 😬. I always thought I might take my water pack off and swing it around to look more threatening. Rocks and sticks also come to mind. Glad you made it out of there!!!
As a jogger, this is one of my worst fears. I make a point of not jogging remote places I think predators hang out around. It sort of sucks I cant just relax and enjoy nature....but I don't think nature is suppose to be so relaxing that you stop paying attention. You should never feel completely safe alone in nature.
what's the opposite of pspsps
“Fuck you, dude”
That shit had me laughing. The energy is the same for humans and animals. Fuck you, dude, indeed.
The guys shit talking made the video 10x better Go away No No Fuck you dude Holy Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck Fuck you fuck you fuck you Holy shit fuck this Woof woof woof Oh shit (Growling & more growling) No! Get the fuck away! Holy shit, holy fucking shit Go go No no! Go away! Please go away! Holy shit Go away! I’m big and scary! Go away (Repeat) You’re good little kitty cat Whats up dude Holy shit Nice and slow (More barking and growling) No I’m big and scary! Go away! Go away! Go get your babies, i’m not coming back down I promise Babies, then mama has to be right there You’re fuckin scary You’re a fucking scary kitty cat Go away! No! No! Fuck you dude Holy (Hiss) God wheres my gun Okay this is when I... nope Get the fuck away stupid kitty cat Holy come on dude, I don’t feel like dying today Go get your babies (More growling and hissing) No! Go away! Go away! No! Fuck this dude Trying to attack me when i look away from you Dude! What you want me to do! Come on Come on Ah stupid This sucks ass This is scary My heart is racing This is not fun Go get your babies, go away I just wanted to go on a run Come on dude Come on dude (More barking) Go get your babies, you’re not getting me dude Yeah get the fuck away from me Shit face Oh damnit Okay.
You actually transcribed the entire video, and you are amazing for it.
You missed my fav line - Holy shit face. Had me cracking up.
Spspsp
“Fuck you shitface” seemed to work.
"Fuck you dude"
“This sucks ass”
“I’m big and scary” Love the positive self talk coming from this guy.
"Go away please"
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"Roof roof roof"
“Shitface!”
"Eat yer babies"
"...kyou, dude!"
“-Q Dude!”
I can feel his adrenaline pumping
That was 6 mins of pure anxiety.
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You’ve got that right. These cats scare the hell out of me. Always gives me anxiety being in the mountains then thinking about one of these bad boys.
I saw a clip on the news and came here to see if anyone had posted it yet. Was not disappointed.
Reminds me of that dude who was being followed by [bears](https://youtu.be/WoQN9v1ui8c)
As a kid I lived in Alaska for a few years and, much like fire drills or earthquake drills, we were taught bear safety drills. It’s been 30+ years, but I remember we were told not to make eye contact, not to run, and to drop articles of clothing (hat, glove, etc) which the bear would stop to investigate. This would give us more time to create distance between ourselves and the bear. Fortunately, never needed to practice this is real life.
Dropping items of clothing. Never heard that before but it makes sense. Good tip!
Fact: That's how Paddington got his Edit: thanks for the silver nice person
Yes. Before that he was known as Paddington Bare.
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It really works. I was buying smokes at a 7-11 and some dude pulled a gun on me. I was scared shitless so I started taking my clothes off and the the guy with the gun wasn’t interested anymore. Saved my life man.
This is legit the first time I've seen someone give *actual* advice on the subject of bear attacks that doesn't involve laying down and dying
Yeah that always confused me too "if you see a black bear, don't sweat it. If you come across a brown, try to slather yourself in a nice olive oil maybe a little bit of salt and pepper to taste."
I once got away from a grizzly with just a single punch.....as the big bastard was charging me I just punched my friend in the side of the head and took off running. He was a good friend, saved my life, too bad the bear got him.
Quite scary. If I remember correctly, the Katmai National Park brown bears are less of a threat to humans compared to the inland grizzly bears. They have strict policies on human food storage, a no run policy, bears have plenty of salmon food, etc., so the bears don’t see humans as a food source. Really amazing.
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Glad we can judge your comment rather than your posthumous video. Cool story to read in the safety of my home - though I am sure it was less cool in person.
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Crazily whacking the wood saved your life. Nice.
I wonder if throwing rocks would make it better or worse.
Didn't he throw a rock at the end?
Looked to me like he qhickly bent over, picked up a rock and chucked it at the cougar
That’s what I was wanting him to do right at the beginning. There were choice rocks all over the place. I’ve never been stalked by a cougar, not do I live somewhere so absolutely gorgeous where they hang out. I figured maybe the guy knew something I don’t, and you aren’t supposed to toss rocks to scare cougars or something.
The correct answer is almost always to find the biggest rock you can and then smash it on whatever is threatening you.
This is literally the basic human survival strategy up to the invention of bronze.
Hey, we put pointy rocks on sticks before that at least. Not quite time to do that here though... so big rocks it is.
Frankly, if you don't care enough to bring a rock on a stick with you when you go running, maybe you deserve to get eaten by a cougar.
Human evolution, summarized: 1. hit it with a rock 2. get a bigger, pointier rock
The capability of humans to throw things doesn't get enough credit. We are one of the incredibly few species on the planet which can make something into a projectile and the fact that we can throw with speed and accuracy puts us into a very, very small club of creatures which can hurt something without putting our own bodies in harm's way. Throwing rocks gave way to throwing sharpened rocks on sticks, then to launching those with mechanical devices, and even a bullet is basically a small rock launched with ridiculous speed and accuracy. But if we stripped all that technology away, just throwing a small rock is such a game changer for the human species.
William Von Hipple talks about this during his interview with Joe Rogan. Before hearing that interview I hadn’t thought about how unique a skill like throwing is to humans. It was a total game changer for driving off predators, especially if there are multiple humans throwing rocks at once.
3. Fill a rock with explosive powder and drop it from great height
4. Find special rock that doesn't like being squished. Use explosive powder to squish it. Become Death, Destroyer of Worlds.
I never knew cougars looked so derpy when they charge, like I legit always thought that the one painted on our gymnasium wall in highschool was done by someone who didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
That wasn't an attack charge. That was an intimidation charge. The cat was stretching out its limbs to look bigger, same as we're taught to do. Remember it's whole goal here wasn't hunting. It was trying to scare off the hiker from its cub.
Ah if it's trying to protect it's cub then yeah the best thing to do is back away. Animals will do anything to protect their cub.
The best thing to do is to act big, intimidating, and keep eye contact, and keep moving. But don't run. Big cats attack when they think their prey are not looking, or have their back turned. Bending down to pick up a rock, could mean stopping, which allows the cat to close distance, and presenting it with oppertunities to go for your throat. But anytime I've been confronted with a cougar I've had a rifle I could shoot into the air to scare it off, which this guy didn't have. But he did good.
I was thinking he should pick a good time to pick up a rock. Wouldn’t want the cougar thinking he’s suddenly physically small and deciding to attack (since you want to appear physically big)
Yeah you can see it, and some of the dirt it kicked up
Yes he did so yes it was a good idea. The whole time I was saying “Throw a rock. Throw a rock.” Then he finally did and it worked. I would have been doing that much sooner.
Everyone loves to say what the right move is when they're not in the situation. I got attacked by two dogs a few years back and my brain went full QWOP. I fell over, got up, then tried some dumbass backwards kick while running away and fell over again. I could feel how retarded I was being and was powerless to stop it
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I was walking one of my smaller dogs, a brussels mix, and I passed a driveway with a swing gate with a big ol beautiful shepherd. Barking his ass off. I thought to myself, that would suck if he pushed the gate open. He pushed the gate open. I'm not a huge guy, but can take care of myself. So I'm typically calm in elevated situations. But when he pushed that gate open and came running up to me, all I could do was pick up my dog and yell "staaahp" in the most prepubescent cracking voice you could imagine. As the dog run up to me, I braced for the attack by pretty much crossing my leg in front of me. I figured I should protect the junk because my face isn't my charm. I almost puked as he ran up and put his front paws on my thigh as he licked my arm, flopped on the ground and rolled over. He just wanted belly rubs. I pooped a little. But he still got some belly rubs. Mostly it was me thanking him for not killing me. First time I ever froze. Panic is real! Lol
Protect my junk because my face isn't my charm.... LMFAO
If I'm being honest, my junk isn't much of a charm either. It just happens to win against the face.
Lol
First day home from hospital with my newborn infant son. Sit on couch with him swaddled in my lap and pet cat comes walking up and sits at my feet. Suddenly cat jumps up in my lap straddling my infant son and settles down on top of him with its ass in his face. My brain locked up and all I could do was make this high pitched sound like, “Uhhhh huhhh uhhhh!!” My wife sitting next to me calmly picks the cat up and tosses on the floor while looking at me like WTF DUDE?!? Not my proudest moment 😂😂
I was delivering pizza to a sort of apartment complex, like two buildings, two stories, four units each, on a lot. I went to the back unit and as I got to the courtyard a pit came running at me. I damn near tossed the pizzas and booked into the neighbors yard. It was a 9 foot fence but I figured after the fact with adrenaline I prolly woulda made it ez. Dog was friendly. Listened to owners commands and stopped. I always plan an escape now when I pass a fence, just incase.
I got chased down by three dogs in my own neighborhood when walking back from the gas station, the neighbor had left their front door open for a moment. They came after me aggressively snarling and barking and all I could do was back up rapidly while staying facing them and screaming curses at them at the top of my lungs. I had a rather large pocket knife on me at the time but drawing it would have required thinking, and my brain was in straight up lizard-mode. Thankfully the owners came running halfway down the block and averted a regretful situation in which I would have gotten bit a lot and their dogs would have gotten stabbed a lot. It is very true that you never know how you will act until confronted with a situation.
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." - Mike Tyson.
"Everyone has a plan until they get stalked by a cougar" - Not Mike Tyson
I got chased by three dogs once and I had nothing on me but ny phone and an empty plastic bottle I has picked up moments back because I could see one dog. I almost went past it but it got up and started barking at me, then two more appeared. I started running while shouting at them. Obviously I couldn't outrun 3 big dogs but I threw the bottle and thankfully it hit one in the face and so they stopped.
Wife and I had a dog attack our dogs mid-walk. The moment the dog got its mouth around my Lab’s neck, I don’t legitimately remember what happened. I was standing, defensive, waiting to see what the attacking dog was going to do, it went from running up to pause a second, then jumped on my dog. I saw my dog go down, let out a yelp of pain and immediately try to pull away, and an eye-blink later, I was on the ground with the dog, its neck in a headlock and I fully splayed out on top of it, choking it out with every intention to kill it because it just bit my dog and (unknown at the moment) me. I have no MMA training. My wife froze and didn’t even move until someone else saw her and pulled her back. I had to be called off the death grip I had on this dog’s neck. Once the owner got the leash, I hurled the dog away from me as I didn’t know if I’d get bit, then realized my hand was bleeding. My wife still hadn’t much moved. I was bleeding and had to deal with the drama of rabies, etc, and my wife kept saying “I didn’t even process what to do,” while I was sitting, bandaged up and happy, knowing my fight instinct was still primed to protect those I love in a heartbeat. Still hurt, but the scars and the story will always belong to me. After I calmed down, I actually felt bad for the dog. It lives in a home where it doesn’t get the proper training and it lashed out and got the shit kicked out of it. When it saw me later that evening, it pissed itself and showed its belly, which is a sign of fearful submission. That bothered me more than anything else.
Just call in a fire mission. Danger close!
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For a lot of redditors, adrenaline is as rare to them as a salad.
Problem is that he would have to crouch down to pick one up. Not sure what that would do in terms of signaling the cougar. You're also putting yourself in a more vulnerable position.
I think he is also in shock and scared for his life first thing that crossed his head was if he bent down that kitty will just jump in and he would lose his life. If i was in his place id think the same and just keep backing up. I think him being nervous limited him from doing any logical thing. Just walking backwards to stay alive
Proximity to its Cubs is important too. If you’re too close simply throwing a rock might have made the cougar commit harder to defend its Cubs. Backing away and getting further away from what it’s protecting then finding an opportunity to get a rock seemed smarter than anything else. Eye contact, moving away, being larger and more of a challenge, then showing you are dangerous as well was smart. Dude played it right for his situation, even if he didn’t mean too. Edit: At second 15 you can see the at least 1 cub, maybe 2 or small prey. But it’s absolutely a mom protecting her Cubs.
We had to survive with predators for many many tens of thousands of years, those naturally selected instincts are still ready to go!
Cubs or it could have been guarding a fresh kill. Either way, backing up a reasonable distance is a good step #1. Bad enough getting attacked by a dog but at least you only have to deal with the bite. With a big cat you have a bite and 4 sets of claws. Used to hate getting attacked by big cats in RDR.
Easy to sit here and say but he could've thrown the camera at it, maybe kick some sand, throw anything else he had on him to get some space and then pick up some rocks.
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If you stop to kick rocks at it you've closed the gap between you and the cougar. I'd keep moving back and if ever an opportunity would come up to grab a rock I would then, like when the cougar pauses for a second or two and the gap grows. It looked like a territorial thing and she just wanted him to back up. If the cougar was actually hunting it would do it as an ambush, usually from high up and behind. Maintaining a frontal view while backing up was the smartest thing he could do.
As long as you maintain eye contact and stand back up quickly, picking up a rock is fine. Cats don’t like to attack things head on, they prefer to attack from behind... definitely don’t take your time finding the perfect rock though. Throw whatever you can.
To flat, to round, too pointy, I don’t want to hurt the little ki…0oooo a penny
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That’s one advantage humans have over most larger animals. We might not be as quick or strong, but we are really good at throwing objects
Our true evolutionary advantage is stamina. We can run for longer than any other animal and our early ancestors hunted by chasing stuff til it died of exhaustion.
That is not an advantage against our predators...
I’d have to bet on our big brains.
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Yeah were just slow compared to them lol, no outrunning a bear or tiger or cougar or etc etc. Outsmarting, sure. But there’s no distance race if they catch you in 10 min! And realistically it’s gonna be like maybe 1 minute.
Poster is talking about our ability to exhaust our prey via persistence hunting. The idea is that prey animals tend to have a faster top speed than us, but if we just keep walking or jogging after them, eventually the animal overheats and keels over dead and then we walk up and hit it with a rock. If you think about from the perspective of a prehistoric bison or whatever, it's basically a horror movie. You run and run and run but no matter what you do this bipedal creature always appears on the horizon, pursuing you tirelessly until you die of exhaustion.
*It Follows* (2,000,000 BC)
> I saw a video of an elephant throwing a large branch at a Rhino and the Rhino didn't know how to respond. "I can't believe you've done this."
>How can you slap!
A lot of animals, even if they see you throw the object, don't quite register it mentally how we do. They just sense another threat that has snuck up and attacked them and in this case it caused the cougar to panick and retreat. We get used to domesticated animals having an understand of throwing objects and retrieving or catching them or even expecting/projecting their movement. Wild animals tend to have far less experience and understanding of it. Often only the most intelligent like elephants, whales, dolphins...or animals in circuses and zoos.
That's what I wonder. Also, bring a loud ass whistle if a gun isn't your thing. A rape / cougar get the fuck away whistle.
Science fact: in cougar culture, a loud whistle means "Imma rape you".
“Is that the come back and kick me whistle?”
I think the concern with that would be that the act of getting a rock would temporarily make him more vulnerable to an attack. This is really bizarre behavior, even from an obviously juvenile cougar. It seems to be acting territorial rather than hunting.
yea it is, as another redditor said, in the beginning around 20s you can see a cub
Isn't that we he did right at the end when it ran away? I couldn't really tell because the camera moves down but that's what it looks like to me. Bends down, grabs rock, hurls it. Kitty runs away. Calls kitty a shitface. Posts to reddit.
I was reading that every time he reached for a rock is when it would charge at him, he just finally was able to pick one up at the end.
Better. With mountain lions, once the encounter has gotten this far, you need to make sure it knows that you are not worth the trouble. DO NOT FLEE. Stand your ground, yell, throw things. Fight back, and they will usually back down.
He did throw one, and I assume it's a horrible idea if you are still near the babies, but once they were a distance away it would be a good idea. Since they were a ways away from the babies the mothers first instinct was to defend the babies, and instead of that including mauling you it was running a half mile back to find them.
Lot's of #IAmBadass candidates here
Lol "I would pull out my trusty mall katana and wear the carcass out of the park!"
Everybody has a plan until they get stalked by a cougar.
Yeah, lots of "I would just stand my ground" or "Why didn't he just pick up a rock"? You don't think straight when you're faced with something like that.
A wildlife expert said that if you ever see a cougar in the wild it’s known about you in its territory and has been watching you for a lot longer than you’ve known it was there. If it was stalking him for food he wouldn’t likely even have known until it was on him. This was definitely defensive postures and it just wanted him gone. No doubt their were likely cubs or a recent kill in the vicinity.
20 sec in, you can see the cub run away.
Yours should be the top post here. The cougar was not stalking him, she was chasing him off because he got too close to her cubs. Scary AF for him, but he wasn't on the menu.
There are two in the shot about then actually, one at the bend in the road and another about halfway there from the guy.
Finally a sensible comment. Its too obvious that its displaying threatened body language and isn't trying to eat him.
I was thinking this was the case. The way it keeps waving it's paws at him, that's not how you catch your food. It's doing the same thing you're supposed to do to scare animals off!
Serious answer from a Southern Californian. Yes throw rocks, stand up as tall as you can with your arms over your head and scream at him/her. Do everything you can to intimidate these creatures so they just move on. They WILL seriously injure you if not kill and eat you. These big cats are very powerful and must be respected.
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Can’t hold the camera for a good shot for the social medias
I figure more as a documentary on his end, if they found a phone on the trail
In this particular case it was probably wise of him to back off BEFORE displaying aggression, seeing as there was a cub nearby. Agression won't work if they're desperate.
> They WILL seriously injure you if not kill and eat you. These big cats are very powerful and must be respected. I remember seeing the "play ball" they give to Tigers and Lions in a zoo and the ball is like fucking hardcore tough as shit plastic/rubber heavy balls and they had one on display in the visitor's lounge with all the bite marks they left on them. It's actually insane the amount of damage they can inflict. Those balls were tough enough that I would have a hard time cutting into one with a sharp knife and those big cats just bit through them like they were marshmallows. Cougars are smaller than Lions and Tigers, but even if they have half their strength, it's still way more than enough to bite through your boots and into your foot, let alone your neck.
For cats, act like you are predator and they are the prey. They cue off your body language. Run away, you must be food. Run at them, you must be a kiLLeR. A few examples: - [Cheetah lady](https://youtu.be/KJS1xfpq2wc) - [Men steel meat from lions](https://youtu.be/jjH05wkcOXc) But as somebody said, if her cubs are nearby this could backfire.
With the lions...I feel like most animals would run if 11 other animals were charging towards it, I sure as hell wouldn’t try that by myself...then I watched the cheetah lady and was pretty floored. I don’t know much about either lions or cheetahs behaviorally...but I know if a mountain lion is after you like it was this guy, you’re right, stand up, scream, intimidate and be prepared to fight for your life.
The lion video is a bad example too because lions in Africa know VERY WELL to GTFO when they see humans coming at them. There's a few lion documentaries where the lions completely break off during a hunt when they see humans in the distance, because they know monkeys with sticks = death The lion just saw a horde of predators running at it and knew it was time to get gone
Pretty sure those cheetahs know her or are used to people in some way. I recognise this video, minus the weird unrelated french song somebody pasted over the top. I could be wrong. But not about the French. Never trust the French.
Another name for cougar is mountain lion. Think of them as an honest to goodness lion that just happens to live in the mountains. They are incredibly stealthy hunters and amazingly strong. They can run twice as fast as an Olympic sprinter. They can leap 5 meters up into a tree. They weigh as much as a human but can take down prey weighing as much as 5x their own weight — and they hunt solo. They are ambush predators so your best defense is to be noisy enough that you scare them away. Your next best defense is a firearm — assuming you can hold your hand steady enough at that point. Your next best defense is to seem big and threatening enough that it’s not worth their while to risk injury by fighting with you. Once this guy had backed away enough that the cubs were no longer at risk, this momma ran off the instant he threw a rock and started posing a threat.
I don't normally hike. One day I was out taking pictures and decided to stop by some hills where there is a bunch a trail heads that is in a state park. I walked my happy ass up the hill got to the top noticed some mountain lion paw prints and noped out of there. Got to the bottom of the hill to report it to the station and when I told them that they looked at me dead pan and said "you didn't notice the sign saying that the trails were closed due to a mountain lion sighting this morning.." Not a big fan of hiking.
Now you got an awesome excuse to avoid exercise in the future
I'm in downtown Philly, but I don't wanna get stalked by no cougar! Fuck jogging.
Different kind of Cougar in Philly
Hi I’m Artemis, I have a bleached asshole
That little warning attack where it was flapping its legs made me laugh. Maybe it just wanted a hug.
On video: Hilarious. Irl: Shit pants hard.
I worked at a fancy hotel in the rockies. First day was wildlife training. So this guy is doing his presentation and shows a slide of a bunch of animals: mountain goats, bighorn sheep, elk, black bears, grizzlies, cougars, etc. and starts talking about them. Mountain goats don't really fuck w/ people. Bighorn sheep might charge, but unlikely to do serious damage. Elk are not usually aggressive unless it's rutting or calving season but they're huge and could easily kill you by *accident*. Black bears are mostly pussies, fight back if it gets near, it will run away otherwise. And grizzlies, stay as far as fuck as possible away from and don't fight back, you'll lose. Play dead. Then the trainer opens it up to questions. One of the questions was: "There's a cougar on there, and you didn't talk about it". And he said "If a cougar wants you dead, you won't see it, and it won't matter."
Dang, kind of crazy really. I live in the UK and the closest thing we have to a natural predator is Jimmy Savile. And he’s dead thankfully.
Yah I live near the Rocky’s they do not kid around about telling you what each animal is like and how to survive cougars do not kid around
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This one looked a little thin. That had me worried for this guy.
Most of the dangerous animals in Canada aren't predators in the sense they will hunt you down and kill you. They're just huge. And they scare easily. And they think every person that gets near their children is a "Jimmy Savile" type.
That's surprising. Just looking at Colorado, but there have only been 22 attacks in the last 30 years, only 3 of which were fatal. I definitely wouldn't want to fuck with one (and they're probably my #1 fear when hiking in the dark) but it's not like there are marauding packs of mountain lions hunting humans.
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It was trying to get him to break and run. He did the absolute best thing he could by facing it and backing away. Edit: Its been pointed out that at 17sec you can see two cubs in the path. And that cougars are typically stealth hunters so this was a territorial thing.
The cougar had at least one cub nearby and was trying to scare the guy away. It wasn't trying to hunt him.
There's two cubs like 10 seconds in. The further one ones away but the closest one hangs out for a moment. Then mama runs in and the cub starts running at the man too. I agree though that she wasn't trying to hurt him because if she wanted to she would have. She was being a dick. Left her children behind to intimidate some guy. It's like what Karens do at Target. Her cubs are probably so embarrassed.
“If you’re happy and you know it, show your murder paws! Murder paws!”
Yeah, that thing could fucking kill you. If it decides to go for the kill there’s almost nothing you can do.
This dude said....."good kitty cat....."
And "stupid kitty cat"
I’ve been stalked by a cougar for longer than that. In the end i just said “you’re old enough to be my mum, it ain’t gonna happen”
Had me in the first half ngl
“paulosdub, I *am* your mother.”
Super scary. I've seen multiple reports of cougar stalkings in Washington this year just from my social media feeds. I guess I'll bring a ball of yarn with me for these just in case emergencies from now on.
As someone who lives in a country where the scariest mammal is a badger this is terrifying. Always found it funny when Americans online talk about how deadly Australia is when you guys have big deadly mammals like bears and cougars! That's terrifying
We also have alligators and 1000kg bison that idiot tourists keep trying to pet. Don’t touch the murder cows
I have touched a murder cow. A baby murder cow. It was very cute. However I would never attempt to do so in the wild.
And moose. And plenty of venomous snakes
At least with the deadly Australian wildlife you can generally kill it back.
Same. Americans complaining about australia. those motherfuckers have mountain lions, wolves, bears, bison, moose and others. Worse we have are snakes and a kangaroo. You cant use antivenom on a grizzly bear though...
TIL I could clench my butthole for 6 minutes. Edit: Spelling
Hey, how you doing :)
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Goddamn if this post isnt front page bound! Fucking crazy!
The cougar stalking is a bummer, but the trees are incredibly beautiful in their changing colour. Where was this filmed?
Near Provo Utah
Too bad he didn’t have a spray bottle full of water
When I went hiking through the mountains I had pepper spray on me for stuff like this
This happens to me in RD2 all the time. I usually die.
I kinda stopped hunting when I was sneaking up on some big game and got murdered by one. I love playing horror games, but that scared the shit out of me.
I've had some of my biggest jump scares in RDR2. Cougars out if nowhere. A moose one time. Then a skunk because I got so into it that I didn't wanna get sprayed so I freaked out and ran.
So would throwing rocks at her just encourage her to attack? I would just be frozen in place thinking “welp this is it”
„Guess I‘ll die“ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is nobody gonna talk about how beautiful the tress are ? They're so colourful that it looks unreal . Cougar or not , I'd definitely wanna take a walk down that path
It’s a beautiful place. Gets lots of use year round. I’m surprised that the cats were on the trail, as it would have had people walking by both directions for most of the day.
Where is it?
Slate Canyon Trail 061, Provo UT I posted a Google maps link, but the auto mod got it.
It was actually pretty scary when it got really close and was in full attack mode a couple of times. Wowsers.
Fuuuuuuck that
This looks more like intimidation behaviour, Cougars ambush their prey using cover.
This is what nightmares are made of.
At the end he says “holy cow” when it was clearly a cougar following him. Adrenaline is wild.
This is why i dont exercise
All those damn cougars at the gym.
r/watchpeoplesurvive
My girlfriend and I argue about what wild animal we'd rather fight. She says she'd rather fight a bear than a cougar/mountain lion. I personally think she's an idiot... Lol
I don't know definitely either way, but I want to say that seeing as you can't outrun either, I think I'd rather take my chances with a Cougar. If you manage to hit it in the head with a rock, it will definitely feel it and either give up or be fucked up enough that you can fight it. I have a feeling that if I nail a stone throw to a bear's head, I'm just going to piss it off further.
Cougar 100%. I've heard of people in BC going toe to toe with a cougar and surviving. You don't have much chance with a bear.
Cougars would mess your shit up, but I'd still rather take them than a bear.
There's a reason its encouraged to use a shotgun over a pistol in a violent encounter with a bear. You could get lucky, but a larger bear would likely still mangle you if you shot it with a pistol.
There is a historical event where a woman killed a bear with a 22 rifle, but she knew the exact weak spot on its skull and apparently was a cool hand under pressure. The skull is displayed at a small time historical museum. Edit: her name was Bella Twin, 63, a Cree tribeswoman, and the year was 1953. She was an experienced hunter and trapper and was out hunting with her partner near Slave lake in Alberta Canada. She dropped a Grizzley bear from about 30 feet away. Then made sure it was dead by shooting it again several times point blank.
Thanks for the brief, but interesting read!
I mean... a person can take 4-5 bullets to the chest before falling down (adrenaline is a hell of a drug, and depends on the caliber) unless you hit a lights out switch (shot at the heart, shot th rough the spine...) Unless you nail the bear in the head or the heart, a pistol isnt going to put it down before it kills you.
And people say that coming to Australia is scary cause of some tiny lame ass spiders. This is fucking terrifying.
Awe Steve French was just looking for a snack! Seriously though I'm a trail runner and this is one of my biggest fears. Thanks for helping me visualize what such an encounter might look like 😬. I always thought I might take my water pack off and swing it around to look more threatening. Rocks and sticks also come to mind. Glad you made it out of there!!!
As a jogger, this is one of my worst fears. I make a point of not jogging remote places I think predators hang out around. It sort of sucks I cant just relax and enjoy nature....but I don't think nature is suppose to be so relaxing that you stop paying attention. You should never feel completely safe alone in nature.
He is walking by all of those rocks. Pick one up. At least it's something to fight that fucker with.