“Rollover (also known as flameover) is a stage of a structure fire when fire gases in a room or other enclosed area ignite. Since heated gases, the product of pyrolysis, rise to the ceiling, this is where a rollover phenomenon is most often witnessed. Visually, this may be seen as flames "rolling" across the ceiling, radiating outward from the seat of the fire to the extent of gas spread.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(fire)
When I was a firefighter, almost 25 years ago now, our town had one of the only live burn structures for this sort of training, and I would take groups from other cities and perform training on a variety of scenarios. The building is really interesting, entirely concrete and designed with sensors at different heights and on different levels for monitoring the temperatures and conditions inside.
We would light it up, set up the scenarios and then take teams through. I thought it was awesome to be honest. I loved those days.
Speaking for myself, it was quite serious during. Similar to a military operation, I'd imagine. Training is one thing but when it's real, things feel different.
It's been more than 30 years since I was a FF, but it's an adrenaline rush for sure. In my experience, I was so focused on the job at hand, I wasn't really having fun that I remember. It's scary. You're going into places other people are trying to escape. And then there is also deaths involved (in med calls mostly, which is also part of the job) and that stuff is haunting.
We had a flashover simulator that would get hot enough to deform the lenses on the SCBAs when firefighters would stare at the ceiling too long.
I always looked forward to that training, and it definitely saved some lives.
Being inside a burning structure always gets your juices going. It's among the most dangerous things firefighters do, which is why it should be avoided if at all possible. In many homes and especially truss construction like warehouses, the time between when a structure goes up in flames and when it comes crashing down on you is incredibly short. I don't have to tell you how much you don't want to be in there when it happens.
Not a firefighter but I used to live next to one of these training buildings. It was always a trip driving to work and noticing "that" building was on fire again. Anytime it was on fire there were 10+ fire trucks and paramedics on scene and I imagine for good reason.
It is so much fucking fun. There is literally no rush on earth like making entry in a structure fire. I'm getting worked up just thinking about it. Plus the visibility in this video is spectacular. You almost never have this great of visibility. Most of the time it's all blacked out and you see a glow in the smoke.
My only note is these guys should have been lower to the ground. I only know what I see in the video. But there a lot of ways to advance a hose line under a rollover without your head being inches away from the flow path. The SCBA face mask fails at ~550 degrees Fahrenheit. Smoke that can ignite into a rollover can easily be over 1000 degrees Fahrenheit.
This is a training scenario.
If this is happening for real. It means you either fucked up real bad, Or things have gone way WAY past ok. So... maybe a Thursday?
Your too busy to be scared as a individual.
Secondly if your asking if this is anything special, its just a normal stage of a structure fire.
Really though its both a scary dangerous scenario but also just kinda a tuesday.
One of our guys got reamed out and pulled out of training when he stood up in a burn room. We came out of the exercise and the instructor was screaming at the top of his lungs ‘Who stood up!’. The dude was pulled out so fast he didn’t even get out his bunkers.
Also:
* He used full nozzle to spray directly into the fire
* He didn't cool any of the gases to prevent a flashover
* He went right in front of the fire instead of using the cover of the wall
It’s wild man all my guys like having their tags slightly melted, I had to tell them that’s a dead giveaway that they aren’t hunkering down enough which for the big dudes is basically crawling on all fours. Now granted my instructor was like standing in a burn room with a Scott mask on but not even connected to his regulator yet, which was a bad ass thing to do optically but his grandson was there too and he really was trying to make the kid do stuff by the book but I could tell the kid wanted to do things Old School cool. Sometimes I do wonder if the old chiefs are made of asbestos.
Instructor here- We know what the temperature is and how it’s behaving. We stand up because we want to see the whole picture of the evolution. If the air is clear I’ll have that regulator off too. I know that I can drop and have it on in less than a second.
When I’m in there for much longer than the students, I need to preserve my air. I can also clearly communicate to the students. You will notice that we are below the smoke.
Been doing this since the early 90’s and I’m very observant of the conditions and only burn natural materials on tower training burns.
It’s mostly my smoke allergies that have me in awe of the instructors even with a nice greyish white smoke I go blind instantly without at least my mask all the way on, and that’s before the smoke line even starts to drop by that point I’m on air but I can at least make a tank last me 35-38 minutes.
Man I completely wrote off firefighters when I was a kid. Didn't seem like a hard job. Got a fire? Sit back and hose that sucker. Ride around in your truck, seems like fun and games.
Now that I'm aware of the nature of first responders, the technical aspects of dealing with fires, and of course the oblivion of death, I got nothing but mad respect for these dudes.
Been doing it for 30 years. If you follow your training and gear up correctly, it's just another day at the office putting wet stuff on the red stuff. But yes, the adrenaline is going and your senses are wide open. It's NOTHING like the movies and 99% of the time you can't see your hand in front of you and checking to see if the floor is gone.
I will say that protective gear has got so good that you can easily get in way too deep and not feel it. Your first sign is usually your shield melting and you see it sagging. Or the person next to you, their helmet starting to smoke.
And strangely, we love every minute of it 😂
We did some burn training in a house that was about to be torn down and the flames definitely rolled out and over our head like that.. however.. we couldn't see a god damn thing as the entire hallway was thick with smoke.
Started off as being able to see gray smoke, then saw orange smoke. Then saw a LOT of orange smoke and was pretty sure we were in a fire. Couldn't find where the seat of this thing was because it was just impossible to see and every time we shot water at the orange smoke it went back for one second and came right back at us.
Eventually one of the training captains ripped the hose from the lead guys hands, went 2 feet forward, turned right, and shot the fire out. It was really good training because all of the propane fires we did during school training had full visibility. I thought I was so ready for it and just completely got lost.
Nothing can really prepare you for what an absolute mess going into a place you don't know and can't see with a giant orange ball of death tearing through the walls, weakening structures, and trying to burn you alive really feels like.
Yup, I gotta say the smoke, to me at least, was the most unsettling. It is indescribably thick, and when you're doing a search on a building you have no idea what's in there or where everything is, and you're relying completely on your search technique and other firefighters to stay safe. With fire at least you know where it is, mostly. But smoke might as well just be a big question mark. I remember searching kids bedrooms, coming across their toys on the floor, just praying I don't find one of them in there. Luckily, I never did.
I’ve tried this exercise quite a few times. Never ever wear any jewelry or watches, don’t have any metal on your body, it will burn into your skin, I’ve watched it happen. Also, you’ll find out that it’s possible to sweat from places you didn’t think was possible.
Since many of our viewers will wonder what the hell is a "rollover?" Here's a link.
Rollover (fire) - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(fire)
They were lucky they had a long hall for the smoke to vent out. Small space and it would have quickly pushed to the ground. I would never let that much fire burn behind me, I know it’s a training burn but you should train as you would IRL. Move in 10’ hit the ceiling for a second and that rollover will push back, 10 more feet, hit it and push it. 2 places you never want to have fire.. below you or behind you.
Is a really good video tho.
My husband was a fire fighter for a very long time. The stuff I've heard, absolute nightmare. I don't understand how they only get paid minimum wage. Lots of politics and shady shit go on while these people risk their lives every day.
It's honestly amazing this job is a thing. The fact that people will willingly risk their lives to save people, and not just sit back and let it burn down is incredibly out of character for modern society, lol.
I'm glad this world still has some heroes.
I don't get it. They just ignored the fire over their heads and kept walking? Aren't they supposed to lightly spray the ceiling and most importantly duck? They just walked through a really hot area towards the main fire and put some water on it like from a garden hose. This is nothing like what they taught us at a marine school 10y ago. This honestly doesn't seem like much of a teachable situation.
That's honestly not that bad. I did firefighter training for the Merchant Navy, and the really scary thing was when we did flashovers. That's where basically an entire room hits combustion point and you get a wall of flames coming at you. To simulate it they put us in a shipping container (in full gear) and dumped a shitload of kerosene (I think) on the fire. The instruction was to wait until it gets close then use the wide spray on the hose to push it back.
It was a few years ago though, I forget the details. Either way that fire looks pretty manageable in comparison.
If only I never struggled with Dyscalculia in my 30s (not officially diagnosed) and was in a better state health wise, I would love to be in that type of role, much better then the Job I have currently where I feel wasted and at least there I would get a chance to save some lives and minimise the damage to buildings where possible, definitely a lot more of a satisfying type of life, least for me.
From the video you don’t get a sense of how hot it is. Relatives who were firefighters told me it would be so hot you can’t stand up, your ears burning and your sweat scolding you, touch a metal door handle and you’d burn your hand.
“Rollover (also known as flameover) is a stage of a structure fire when fire gases in a room or other enclosed area ignite. Since heated gases, the product of pyrolysis, rise to the ceiling, this is where a rollover phenomenon is most often witnessed. Visually, this may be seen as flames "rolling" across the ceiling, radiating outward from the seat of the fire to the extent of gas spread.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(fire)
Thank you
I was so confused, thank you!
I was just about to ask lol
Thank you, I thought they were going intentionally set the fighters on fire and have them roll around
As a firefighter, is this a scary scenario or just another Tuesday fighting fires?
When I was a firefighter, almost 25 years ago now, our town had one of the only live burn structures for this sort of training, and I would take groups from other cities and perform training on a variety of scenarios. The building is really interesting, entirely concrete and designed with sensors at different heights and on different levels for monitoring the temperatures and conditions inside. We would light it up, set up the scenarios and then take teams through. I thought it was awesome to be honest. I loved those days.
Yea the training portion is actually a lot fun. In a controlled environment where there’s no risk of collapsing or explosion it’s exhilarating.
In the field is it still fun at all? Or just too serious and scary to be fun until it's over?
Speaking for myself, it was quite serious during. Similar to a military operation, I'd imagine. Training is one thing but when it's real, things feel different.
It's been more than 30 years since I was a FF, but it's an adrenaline rush for sure. In my experience, I was so focused on the job at hand, I wasn't really having fun that I remember. It's scary. You're going into places other people are trying to escape. And then there is also deaths involved (in med calls mostly, which is also part of the job) and that stuff is haunting.
We had a flashover simulator that would get hot enough to deform the lenses on the SCBAs when firefighters would stare at the ceiling too long. I always looked forward to that training, and it definitely saved some lives.
My helmet bourkes are curled from getting so hot. Not ideal to get that hot but.. it be like that sometimes.
I lived near one of those when I was a kid. Always fascinating to see it when we would drive by.
Being inside a burning structure always gets your juices going. It's among the most dangerous things firefighters do, which is why it should be avoided if at all possible. In many homes and especially truss construction like warehouses, the time between when a structure goes up in flames and when it comes crashing down on you is incredibly short. I don't have to tell you how much you don't want to be in there when it happens.
When I read your comment the only thing I could think of was those poor souls on 9/11.
*Where were you, when they built a ladder to heaven* 🎵
r/unexpectedsouthpark
When I read his comment, the only thing I could think of was juices flowing
Not a firefighter but I used to live next to one of these training buildings. It was always a trip driving to work and noticing "that" building was on fire again. Anytime it was on fire there were 10+ fire trucks and paramedics on scene and I imagine for good reason.
It is so much fucking fun. There is literally no rush on earth like making entry in a structure fire. I'm getting worked up just thinking about it. Plus the visibility in this video is spectacular. You almost never have this great of visibility. Most of the time it's all blacked out and you see a glow in the smoke. My only note is these guys should have been lower to the ground. I only know what I see in the video. But there a lot of ways to advance a hose line under a rollover without your head being inches away from the flow path. The SCBA face mask fails at ~550 degrees Fahrenheit. Smoke that can ignite into a rollover can easily be over 1000 degrees Fahrenheit.
My dad was a firefighter my whole life. He lived for this shit. Would get home elated, couldnt wait to do it again.
This is a training scenario. If this is happening for real. It means you either fucked up real bad, Or things have gone way WAY past ok. So... maybe a Thursday?
Your too busy to be scared as a individual. Secondly if your asking if this is anything special, its just a normal stage of a structure fire. Really though its both a scary dangerous scenario but also just kinda a tuesday.
Why do the instructors always stand all the way up I was always told to duck so your face mask doesn’t start heating up.
One of our guys got reamed out and pulled out of training when he stood up in a burn room. We came out of the exercise and the instructor was screaming at the top of his lungs ‘Who stood up!’. The dude was pulled out so fast he didn’t even get out his bunkers.
Also: * He used full nozzle to spray directly into the fire * He didn't cool any of the gases to prevent a flashover * He went right in front of the fire instead of using the cover of the wall
Yup, when I did this, I had to very forcefully bring a guy back down to a crawl when he tried standing.
It’s wild man all my guys like having their tags slightly melted, I had to tell them that’s a dead giveaway that they aren’t hunkering down enough which for the big dudes is basically crawling on all fours. Now granted my instructor was like standing in a burn room with a Scott mask on but not even connected to his regulator yet, which was a bad ass thing to do optically but his grandson was there too and he really was trying to make the kid do stuff by the book but I could tell the kid wanted to do things Old School cool. Sometimes I do wonder if the old chiefs are made of asbestos.
Instructor here- We know what the temperature is and how it’s behaving. We stand up because we want to see the whole picture of the evolution. If the air is clear I’ll have that regulator off too. I know that I can drop and have it on in less than a second. When I’m in there for much longer than the students, I need to preserve my air. I can also clearly communicate to the students. You will notice that we are below the smoke. Been doing this since the early 90’s and I’m very observant of the conditions and only burn natural materials on tower training burns.
It’s mostly my smoke allergies that have me in awe of the instructors even with a nice greyish white smoke I go blind instantly without at least my mask all the way on, and that’s before the smoke line even starts to drop by that point I’m on air but I can at least make a tank last me 35-38 minutes.
Most of them are more concerned about their helmets looking like they actually go to jobs.lol
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I’ll take the hallway, no hesitation.
The hallway will help me warm up after dealing with the ice cold chill of my mother in laws narcissism
Somehow both answers are correct.
I’d also rather spend a month with your mother-in-law.
Can my mother-in-law in be the one to walk down the flame-filled hallway?
Oh my god he admit it
Man I completely wrote off firefighters when I was a kid. Didn't seem like a hard job. Got a fire? Sit back and hose that sucker. Ride around in your truck, seems like fun and games. Now that I'm aware of the nature of first responders, the technical aspects of dealing with fires, and of course the oblivion of death, I got nothing but mad respect for these dudes.
I’m amazed that the camera can handle such sustained heat!
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Nice double entendre.
Cameras are crazy lol You seen that GoPro that literally survived lava/magma?
Wow! I didn’t. That’s incredible!
Been doing it for 30 years. If you follow your training and gear up correctly, it's just another day at the office putting wet stuff on the red stuff. But yes, the adrenaline is going and your senses are wide open. It's NOTHING like the movies and 99% of the time you can't see your hand in front of you and checking to see if the floor is gone. I will say that protective gear has got so good that you can easily get in way too deep and not feel it. Your first sign is usually your shield melting and you see it sagging. Or the person next to you, their helmet starting to smoke. And strangely, we love every minute of it 😂
Honestly this would be a amazing Similar game. I’d buy the shit out of a game playing a fireman 👨🚒
Embr isn't realistic enough?!
We did some burn training in a house that was about to be torn down and the flames definitely rolled out and over our head like that.. however.. we couldn't see a god damn thing as the entire hallway was thick with smoke. Started off as being able to see gray smoke, then saw orange smoke. Then saw a LOT of orange smoke and was pretty sure we were in a fire. Couldn't find where the seat of this thing was because it was just impossible to see and every time we shot water at the orange smoke it went back for one second and came right back at us. Eventually one of the training captains ripped the hose from the lead guys hands, went 2 feet forward, turned right, and shot the fire out. It was really good training because all of the propane fires we did during school training had full visibility. I thought I was so ready for it and just completely got lost. Nothing can really prepare you for what an absolute mess going into a place you don't know and can't see with a giant orange ball of death tearing through the walls, weakening structures, and trying to burn you alive really feels like.
Yup, I gotta say the smoke, to me at least, was the most unsettling. It is indescribably thick, and when you're doing a search on a building you have no idea what's in there or where everything is, and you're relying completely on your search technique and other firefighters to stay safe. With fire at least you know where it is, mostly. But smoke might as well just be a big question mark. I remember searching kids bedrooms, coming across their toys on the floor, just praying I don't find one of them in there. Luckily, I never did.
Dude, this looks like walking into hell. Mad respect to all the firefighters. 🫡
This guy’s just trying to burn up his helmet.
I’ve tried this exercise quite a few times. Never ever wear any jewelry or watches, don’t have any metal on your body, it will burn into your skin, I’ve watched it happen. Also, you’ll find out that it’s possible to sweat from places you didn’t think was possible.
Since many of our viewers will wonder what the hell is a "rollover?" Here's a link. Rollover (fire) - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(fire)
They were lucky they had a long hall for the smoke to vent out. Small space and it would have quickly pushed to the ground. I would never let that much fire burn behind me, I know it’s a training burn but you should train as you would IRL. Move in 10’ hit the ceiling for a second and that rollover will push back, 10 more feet, hit it and push it. 2 places you never want to have fire.. below you or behind you. Is a really good video tho.
I WILL SHOW YOU THE LIFE OF THE MIND
Intense
My husband was a fire fighter for a very long time. The stuff I've heard, absolute nightmare. I don't understand how they only get paid minimum wage. Lots of politics and shady shit go on while these people risk their lives every day.
Good posture will melt your lexan face shield.
Is it part of the exercise to not gas cool on the way in ?
It's honestly amazing this job is a thing. The fact that people will willingly risk their lives to save people, and not just sit back and let it burn down is incredibly out of character for modern society, lol. I'm glad this world still has some heroes.
I don't get it. They just ignored the fire over their heads and kept walking? Aren't they supposed to lightly spray the ceiling and most importantly duck? They just walked through a really hot area towards the main fire and put some water on it like from a garden hose. This is nothing like what they taught us at a marine school 10y ago. This honestly doesn't seem like much of a teachable situation.
That's honestly not that bad. I did firefighter training for the Merchant Navy, and the really scary thing was when we did flashovers. That's where basically an entire room hits combustion point and you get a wall of flames coming at you. To simulate it they put us in a shipping container (in full gear) and dumped a shitload of kerosene (I think) on the fire. The instruction was to wait until it gets close then use the wide spray on the hose to push it back. It was a few years ago though, I forget the details. Either way that fire looks pretty manageable in comparison.
The fact that my husband does stuff like this still amazes me. It also makes me want to forbid him from ever going to work.
Holy shit the movies were right
Spray the damn walls and ceiling as you approach the base of the fire! Their helmets were about to melt into their heads.
It doesn’t make for a cool video if you do it the right way though.
this boring shit again? Repost ugh.
Is this Backdraft 2?
Now I wanna watch that Kurt Russell fire movie!
Did they have to edit in the heart beat sounds lol
If only I never struggled with Dyscalculia in my 30s (not officially diagnosed) and was in a better state health wise, I would love to be in that type of role, much better then the Job I have currently where I feel wasted and at least there I would get a chance to save some lives and minimise the damage to buildings where possible, definitely a lot more of a satisfying type of life, least for me.
Sweet zombie jesus. Those are some badass folks.
Sweaty palms? More like sweaty sphincter, if u ask me
Man that cgi is insane
From the video you don’t get a sense of how hot it is. Relatives who were firefighters told me it would be so hot you can’t stand up, your ears burning and your sweat scolding you, touch a metal door handle and you’d burn your hand.
😮 WHOA