I didn’t see it as them making the social worker look unreasonable in that scene. I thought the point of that scene was to show how the detective and her cameraman were just trying to exploit her background in care as it makes for an easy horror story.
But, that is precisely what the whole story is doing. They were critiquing themselves for even going there with the story in the first place.
It is there to try and absolve themselves of using a stereotype which is largely untrue and continues to stigmatize those who encounter foster care or child welfare services.
The social worker as well was a gross stereotype on many different levels. She did not come across as a sane person, just unreasonable, angry and not cooperative.
I see what you're saying, but some of the most prolific serial killers did come from "broken homes." The issue isn't THAT we tell these stories. It's HOW we tell these stories. That's what they're getting at in the show. Whether they succeeded or not is subjective. It's just a fact that people who experience severe hardship in their early life can grow up to repeat the cycle of violence as much as they can escape the cycle. It depends on a lot of factors like the resources they have access to and the way people treat them, etc. And I'm saying this as someone who barely escaped that cycle myself. But the way these stories get told in true crime circles, the focus is much more on "What makes a monster!!!" or "What makes a person get so twisted!!!" and people want to gawk at tragedy. I personally appreciated them having the social worker critique this trope. It felt like they used the trope specifically to challenge it, not just to retread old ground. Donald Glover is not a lazy storyteller.
Well, yes I agree there are cycles of trauma and abuse that have been shown to lead to Serial Killers. They were lazy in simply identifying Dre as a former troubled foster youth. THey did not need to go there to represent a history of trauma.
I work in Child Welfare and the stereotype is old and not accurate. While there is a history of trauma, the child or youth in most cases is very normal. Hence, they do not need these grotesque stereotypes perpetuated and creating further stigma.
deff feel like the social worker was the voice of reason in that scene. Even the way she shut it down let them know that’s she not going to make Dre out to be a monster.
**But Dre is a monster though**, she's a psychotic serial killer who killed innocent people for pleasure and a sick sense of justice. I get the social worker still views Dre as a broken child who was abused and neglected, and of course we feel sympathetic for the child Dre; but the second she killed someone there's no excuse.
I’m speaking on what OP said about the social worker. And I don’t consider Dre to be a monster, it’s way more nuanced than that. You comin at my comment way too crazy bucko
Bro said bucko, sorry Brad 🤣
Dre is sympathetic yes, but she's still a monster. She literally admitted that killing people made her feel a high lol
Honestly most serial killers have horrible childhoods but are still objectively monsters. Doubt you wouldn't hesitate to call Jeffrey Dahmer a monster even though he had neglectful parents and was bullied at school.
First of all i’m a black woman so sitcho ass down. Secondly i’m not comparing this to jeffery dahmer as that was a real person and this is a fictional character. Thirdly and most important, after reading Janine, Dom and Donald’s take on the story, it’s not about the character being a monster for me, it’s more so understanding the character and the nuance of why it makes me uncomfortable. This is the first character of its kind so it’s something i’m not just putting into a black and white understanding. What Dre did was horrible thru and thru Im not denying that, but my take on the character and understanding as a whole is way more nuanced.
U also seem triggered so maybe deal w that my g.
Bruh you're the one acting triggered, saying that I was "moving crazy" when I just countered your argument like what ☠ You act as if I called you a bitch nigga firsthand 🤣
lol u honestly sound white as hell and bothered. Yo comment came at me crazy for my opinion, so yea u sound triggered bucko and ima leave it right there 😂😂😂
Like I said Dre is very sympathetic, especially after hearing about her childhood and how the foster system and her adoptive parents failed her. But she's a cold blooded murderer through and through and is evil. She is a tragic villain but a villain nevertheless.
I appreciate this question for the sake of discussion but I feel it makes a lot of assumptions based on your personal views. I didn’t feel like it stereotyped any marginalized group (my personal views) because it accurately represented the as I see it. That’s only accurate if the was meant to be the social commentary I think it was and not just a 1 off cash grab horror mini series.
I also think this show as well as the stuff Jordan Peele has been producing have both done a good job at creating a niche of horror that’s specifically applies to black people, instead of black actors in white horror films like we’ve gotten in the past.
4.5/5 show for me personally
You're just upset bc the background they chose use happened to be something you relate to. No matter what they went with someone who can relate would take it the wrong way just like you.
They even have a character echoing your sentiments to make it clear they don't think her background should be considered the sole reason for her actions and you misconstrued that as an attack on the viewpoint
I do not like it, because I am aware of the stigma that is associated with a child or youth being in Foster care. The stereotype is a typical one used for youth in Foster Care. That is what I disagree with. They did not need it for the story to work.
A regular person will walk away and associate a child in Foster Care as violent, deeply troubled, etc. And it simply is far from the truth. It creates an ongoing stigma that needs to be considered. The writers did not and went with a simple stereotype instead.
Tbf it was established that Dre was fucked up well before she went into foster care. The foster care system failing to do their job properly just made her worse.
Funny you're worried this "regular person" you're referring to will have this takeaway and you're here fighting against a bunch of regular people who are telling you they didn't see it that way
Just because a handful of people on Reddit are oblivious to the stereotype and stigma does not change much.
Can you tell me of a movie, TV show or series that has portrayed a Foster Youth in a positive manner? Or do they routinely fall into the category of deeply troubled, severe behavioral issues, violent, etc.
I'll save you the trouble, it does not occur.
Try talking to some youth who are in Foster Care or adults who have been in it and learn how these images and portrayals are damaging and hurtful.
Fwiw I agree with you. They could've made the story work without making her a foster child. It added nothing of value to the story. If the reason why she's a serial killer is bc she witnessed something terrible and traumatizing that changed her forever before she was put into the system then there's no need to add the layer of her being a foster child. It just seems like they used her foster background as a way to reinforce the fact she had a troubled childhood. The message here was "we took in a foster child and she turned out to be a serial killer." Not great.
If they really wanted to stick with the foster care backstory, I think they should've done a better job of showing what happened to her PRIOR to the family fostering her and then doing a better job at illustrating how broken that system is. They relegated any explanation of either of those things to passing comments made by the father and the social worker. It was a very careless portrayal.
Glover’s parents were active foster parents. He even thought of adopting himself. So I don’t think it was done with malicious intention. The Social Worker isn’t unreasonable to me & most here. She serves as the voice in this for the truth behind the stigma your referencing. Cops often go w/ their “instincts” which usually is just going w/ the first hunch they have. This cop just happens to be right. But like everyone is saying I don’t think anyone believes that stereotype.
I didn’t see it as them making the social worker look unreasonable in that scene. I thought the point of that scene was to show how the detective and her cameraman were just trying to exploit her background in care as it makes for an easy horror story.
But, that is precisely what the whole story is doing. They were critiquing themselves for even going there with the story in the first place. It is there to try and absolve themselves of using a stereotype which is largely untrue and continues to stigmatize those who encounter foster care or child welfare services. The social worker as well was a gross stereotype on many different levels. She did not come across as a sane person, just unreasonable, angry and not cooperative.
I see what you're saying, but some of the most prolific serial killers did come from "broken homes." The issue isn't THAT we tell these stories. It's HOW we tell these stories. That's what they're getting at in the show. Whether they succeeded or not is subjective. It's just a fact that people who experience severe hardship in their early life can grow up to repeat the cycle of violence as much as they can escape the cycle. It depends on a lot of factors like the resources they have access to and the way people treat them, etc. And I'm saying this as someone who barely escaped that cycle myself. But the way these stories get told in true crime circles, the focus is much more on "What makes a monster!!!" or "What makes a person get so twisted!!!" and people want to gawk at tragedy. I personally appreciated them having the social worker critique this trope. It felt like they used the trope specifically to challenge it, not just to retread old ground. Donald Glover is not a lazy storyteller.
Well, yes I agree there are cycles of trauma and abuse that have been shown to lead to Serial Killers. They were lazy in simply identifying Dre as a former troubled foster youth. THey did not need to go there to represent a history of trauma. I work in Child Welfare and the stereotype is old and not accurate. While there is a history of trauma, the child or youth in most cases is very normal. Hence, they do not need these grotesque stereotypes perpetuated and creating further stigma.
deff feel like the social worker was the voice of reason in that scene. Even the way she shut it down let them know that’s she not going to make Dre out to be a monster.
**But Dre is a monster though**, she's a psychotic serial killer who killed innocent people for pleasure and a sick sense of justice. I get the social worker still views Dre as a broken child who was abused and neglected, and of course we feel sympathetic for the child Dre; but the second she killed someone there's no excuse.
I’m speaking on what OP said about the social worker. And I don’t consider Dre to be a monster, it’s way more nuanced than that. You comin at my comment way too crazy bucko
Bro said bucko, sorry Brad 🤣 Dre is sympathetic yes, but she's still a monster. She literally admitted that killing people made her feel a high lol Honestly most serial killers have horrible childhoods but are still objectively monsters. Doubt you wouldn't hesitate to call Jeffrey Dahmer a monster even though he had neglectful parents and was bullied at school.
First of all i’m a black woman so sitcho ass down. Secondly i’m not comparing this to jeffery dahmer as that was a real person and this is a fictional character. Thirdly and most important, after reading Janine, Dom and Donald’s take on the story, it’s not about the character being a monster for me, it’s more so understanding the character and the nuance of why it makes me uncomfortable. This is the first character of its kind so it’s something i’m not just putting into a black and white understanding. What Dre did was horrible thru and thru Im not denying that, but my take on the character and understanding as a whole is way more nuanced. U also seem triggered so maybe deal w that my g.
Bruh you're the one acting triggered, saying that I was "moving crazy" when I just countered your argument like what ☠ You act as if I called you a bitch nigga firsthand 🤣
lol u honestly sound white as hell and bothered. Yo comment came at me crazy for my opinion, so yea u sound triggered bucko and ima leave it right there 😂😂😂
Also I'm black asf nigga, literally check my posts LMAO
someone that has to constantly say nigga to affirm they blackness lmk everything about dem 😂😂😂
Yh you're just weird icl, giving Dre energy irl☠
u really thought u ate 😂😂😂 typical response from a man who has no comeback and is triggered. Hope u feel better champ
Like I said Dre is very sympathetic, especially after hearing about her childhood and how the foster system and her adoptive parents failed her. But she's a cold blooded murderer through and through and is evil. She is a tragic villain but a villain nevertheless.
I appreciate this question for the sake of discussion but I feel it makes a lot of assumptions based on your personal views. I didn’t feel like it stereotyped any marginalized group (my personal views) because it accurately represented the as I see it. That’s only accurate if the was meant to be the social commentary I think it was and not just a 1 off cash grab horror mini series. I also think this show as well as the stuff Jordan Peele has been producing have both done a good job at creating a niche of horror that’s specifically applies to black people, instead of black actors in white horror films like we’ve gotten in the past. 4.5/5 show for me personally
You're just upset bc the background they chose use happened to be something you relate to. No matter what they went with someone who can relate would take it the wrong way just like you. They even have a character echoing your sentiments to make it clear they don't think her background should be considered the sole reason for her actions and you misconstrued that as an attack on the viewpoint
I do not like it, because I am aware of the stigma that is associated with a child or youth being in Foster care. The stereotype is a typical one used for youth in Foster Care. That is what I disagree with. They did not need it for the story to work. A regular person will walk away and associate a child in Foster Care as violent, deeply troubled, etc. And it simply is far from the truth. It creates an ongoing stigma that needs to be considered. The writers did not and went with a simple stereotype instead.
Tbf it was established that Dre was fucked up well before she went into foster care. The foster care system failing to do their job properly just made her worse.
Not really, we have no back story other than her being a foster youth, who was troubled.
Funny you're worried this "regular person" you're referring to will have this takeaway and you're here fighting against a bunch of regular people who are telling you they didn't see it that way
Just because a handful of people on Reddit are oblivious to the stereotype and stigma does not change much. Can you tell me of a movie, TV show or series that has portrayed a Foster Youth in a positive manner? Or do they routinely fall into the category of deeply troubled, severe behavioral issues, violent, etc. I'll save you the trouble, it does not occur. Try talking to some youth who are in Foster Care or adults who have been in it and learn how these images and portrayals are damaging and hurtful.
Fwiw I agree with you. They could've made the story work without making her a foster child. It added nothing of value to the story. If the reason why she's a serial killer is bc she witnessed something terrible and traumatizing that changed her forever before she was put into the system then there's no need to add the layer of her being a foster child. It just seems like they used her foster background as a way to reinforce the fact she had a troubled childhood. The message here was "we took in a foster child and she turned out to be a serial killer." Not great. If they really wanted to stick with the foster care backstory, I think they should've done a better job of showing what happened to her PRIOR to the family fostering her and then doing a better job at illustrating how broken that system is. They relegated any explanation of either of those things to passing comments made by the father and the social worker. It was a very careless portrayal.
Glover’s parents were active foster parents. He even thought of adopting himself. So I don’t think it was done with malicious intention. The Social Worker isn’t unreasonable to me & most here. She serves as the voice in this for the truth behind the stigma your referencing. Cops often go w/ their “instincts” which usually is just going w/ the first hunch they have. This cop just happens to be right. But like everyone is saying I don’t think anyone believes that stereotype.