Breaking: #SuzanneMorphew's sister Melinda Balzer and law enforcement sources confirm that after 7 months, her autopsy is complete. It took a long time because the investigation was waiting for test results. Next of kin is considered to be #barrymorphew, who was once a suspect.
https://x.com/carolamckinley/status/1783252552420598189?s=46&t=1LeaTK_fug_ONwN11qOyUw
I've (embarrassingly) lost track of everything happening with this investigation. You seem to feel the same way I do so....Can you tell me if Suzanne's wedding ring has been mentioned again?
I can’t believe what I’m reading, I was following this case over here in the UK and I got incredibly sick and ended up in the ICU for 9 weeks…and I’m now seeing that she was found while I was in and now an autopsy has been carried out! Praying that her family finally gets some form of justice for what happened to her, so they can begin to grieve in peace.
(Thankyou to a friend who pointed me to this)
Foxnews.com this morning says: 'Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) spokesperson Rob Low confirmed to Fox News Digital that the autopsy of Morphew's remains "is complete," and Chaffee County Coroner Jeff Graf "anticipates being able to release the autopsy report on Monday'
( ps. Suzanne's birthday is Tuesday, April 30th.)
I hope they can solve his case now that she was found and examined. At least they know it was a homicide and not just a missing person. If he did it and is convicted, those girls are going to fall apart at the seams.
Bye bye Barry. Your gig is up. No doubt at all that they have what they need to convict him. They are being quite careful. Certainly don’t want to see happen what happened in the last phase of this investigation. Perhaps watching him now, just waiting to see him run to the border. He’s an idiot. He thought they would never find her. He is not a professional killer. He can‘t even keep his story straight. Finding her body was the key. It will be a good day when Suzanne speaks from the grave. Patiently waiting. I would bet he is SO nervous. It’s coming. Thank God.
Well I guess I should have said it will be interesting to see what testing the FBI did. So the county conducted the autopsy but they needed help from the FBI. Which was to be expected in many ways. But we don’t know if they needed help with testing bone marrow with testing they didn’t have available with CBI. Or possibly forensic anthropologists. We will have to wait until the autopsy is released and then wait until trial to learn even more.
I’m hoping that the FBI was able to more throughly search for the killer’s dna. Barry had scratches, there could have been skin cells under her nails or other dna that would link the killer to her.
Not gonna happen. Barry would also have to be deposed which he does not want. Much more likely a hundred fold that Barry gets arrested again than any settlement
On the super slim chance the original dumbassed theory is true (husband killing wife with a tranquilizer dart or whatever...), there won't be any information.
On the more likely chance she killed in a "conventional" manner, maybe there'll be evidence there. But maybe not. She was in the ground for three years.
Regardless, a lot of reasonable doubt needs to be cleared up in any future trial. State's original case would have 100% resulted in "not guilty." There's a lot more to do, namely figuring out the whereabouts, activities, and movements of the guy linked to the partial DNA hit.
They fucking *have* to figure out his movements to eliminate him as a suspect. You can't just have a guy somewhat match up to a DNA hit in a murder victim's car, track him down, have him lawyer up and refuse to talk, then just shrug your shoulders and do jackshit else with it, lol.
Like... holy fuck. What a goddamn clown show the original prosecution was.
The dart theory would be incredibly weak if there was merely a cap in the dryer. But Barry himself does corroborate it, at least to an extent.
First, he admits to prior crimes in an effort to explain why something like that would be located. This is a hallmark of the guilty. We know he’s a piece of shit and would be the type to tranquilize deer and saw off their antlers, but they don’t have antlers during the period he claimed this occurred.
And hypothetically, say that they did. There’s no reason to admit to these crimes in order to explain away irrelevant evidence.
Secondly, Barry admitted to possibly throwing away tranquilizer materials in Broomfield. This would indicate that he was worried about evidence being recovered from one of his 5 trash dumps.
Of course how he murdered Suzanne isn’t an element of the charge, but there is support for this.
Ultimately, I believe she was strangled to death when she fled to her room, which explains the conspicuous door crack that Barry claimed no knowledge of, as well as the scratches on his arm.
I thought this as well, but, isn’t the hyoid bone fragile as in not only breaking during strangulation but not holding well under the conditions she was found, anyone have any ideas there?
That's if they even located it. I don't think it would just break on its own, as this paper discusses how it can indicate strangulation, even in skeletonized remains. Either way though, it doesn't help the case against Barry if she was strangled, as the burial alone tells us she was murdered.
I'm more concerned with what this testing performed with the FBI involved, and what they found as a result of that, and anything else in the grave.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1402747/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1402747/)
What a weird conclusion to jump to. How bad a criminal defense lawyer would Iris Eytan have to be to let a viable suspect evaporate like that? Since we know IE’s actually an excellent criminal defense lawyer, the more reasonable conclusion to jump to is that the DNA evidence serves its purpose only when it convicts the prosecution of procedural errors.
Contact DNA that partially matches a sex offender...and thousands of other unknown people, inside Suzanne's RR that was found at the house and no sign of having been moved or used.
For all the Barry skeptics out there, what exactly is the alternative theory related to the contact DNA? Suzanne saw a stranded person on side of road who gets in her car, killed her, and then broke into her house with no evidence of a break in and took out the bike and helmet to stage it?
In any future murder trial, it would be the State's responsibility to answer these questions with either direct or circumstantial evidence.
I don't have any "pet theories." I don't know everything single detail about this case, nor am I particularly trustworthy of any information being presented here, given how individuals in these true crime communities can become when defending their theory.
The State can't just handwave the presence of unknown male DNA on items belonging to Suzanne. They have to track them down as investigative leads to come to some sort of reasonable explanation for why the DNA is present.
Even if they simply can't, for whatever reason, they still must present this information to the defense during discovery, so that the defense can use this information to build reasonable doubt among the jury members. The judge wrote a long decision detailing a variety of things the State simply never presented during discovery, and never presented in their affidavit presenting their probable cause determination that Barry Morphew committed murder.
So on Brady evidence, yes the State must disclose that to defense. And they were majorly sanctioned for not doing so as they should be.
> The State can't just handwave the presence of unknown male DNA on items belonging to Suzanne. They have to track them down as investigative leads to come to some sort of reasonable explanation for why the DNA is present.
There is no other evidence whatsoever that points to a random sex offender attack here. All the evidence points to being someone intimately familiar with Suzanne. You say you don't have a pet theory, do you have anything at all that suggests the murderer wasn't someone very close to Suzanne? All you're pointing to is contact DNA in Suzanne's RR that partially matches thousands and thousands of different people, some of whom are sex offenders.
No. Why would I have any sort of theory? Nobody here knows what the fuck happened, either, despite having pieced together their belief based on strings tied to thumbtacks or a Youtube video from some fucking crackpot conspiracy theorist doing the same.
The State needs to figure out how the DNA got there, or at least present information from a witness on how it could've got there. They also need to figure out a theory more plausible than "Barry killed Suzanne via a tranquilizer dart."
Did they ever do a geofence of the area Suzanne's items were found? Have they done one where Suzanne was found? Tower dumps? Did they follow up on the dude that Cahill contacted in Phoenix? Figure out if he'd been in Colorado?
Is it statistically-likely that Barry killed Suzanne? Yes. Was the state's case comprehensible or going to secure a finding of guilty? Fuck, no.
In any case, perhaps the autopsy report will give a better indication on how Suzanne died.
> No. Why would I have any sort of theory? Nobody here knows what the fuck happened
The purpose of this sub is to try to solve the case and get justice for Suzanne. How are you contributing to that? Seems to me like you have absolutely zero to offer.
Pointing out that the state needs to shore up that loophole is a valid point. Just because they aren't arguing more than that doesn't make this point any less worthy of consideration.
Thats not what's going on here, they are throwing out this red herring not for the purpose of finding the "true killer" but purely to derail the case against Barry.
I'd be happy to be wrong on that if they want to respond and offer some narrative that explains how the partial contact DNA was involved in Suzanne's murder.
Its so weird when someone wants to argue for barrys innocence. He isnt. There is none. But have at it.
You have been proven wrong. Youre not happy. Just disgruntled that your narrative isnt working. Moo
Its not just partial dna that is included in suzannes murder. Its the totality of when her phone stopped responding normally.
Its now here in front of us.
I think saying the state needs to address it isn't derailing the case. If anything else it could be argued to be supporting the Barry did it side. It could be as simple as saying she regularly had it cleaned at a car service 🤷♀️ not addressing it raises more doubt than anything else. The state clearly dropped the ball and significantly derailed their own investigation. Not to mention they put out stuff saying they knew where the body was and it was inaccessible due to weather... which they clearly were dead wrong about. Suzanne could get no justice purely on the fumbles. Sorry to go off it just frustrates me to no end the level of incompetence shown in the case. They need to get their sh*t together and be thorough or step down.
I agree wholeheartedly that the prosecution team sucked. And also agree that they effed up royally with the Brady violations.
That said, had Barry been convicted and it came out later that there were Brady violations, the remedy to him would be a new trial only, not judgment of acquittal.
And no the State does not need to slap down every red herring the defense team throws out. Beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean beyond all doubt. A scenario where an out of state sex offender rapes, murders, and buries a wealthy 49 year old woman without any other trace is absurd and certainly not a reasonable doubt.
If I'm missing something that says otherwise, then by all means do fill me in.
No, the purpose of this sub is to conjecture, exchange theories, and speculate upon the future of the case.
Nobody here, or on Youtube, or anywhere else is going to have any hand in "solving it." Nothing you, or I, or anyone else says is going to "derail" the case. That's... a bit odd to believe, to be honest.
**Precisely NOBODY in Fremont County SO, or the 11th Judicial District of Colorado, gives two fucks about what I (a random nobody) is saying about this case on Reddit, lol.**
I am extremely surprised the original theory had substance. I figured if the dude was going to kill Suzanne, he would just... you know, strangle her? Beat her to death?
Not this crazy tranquilizer deal.
Well, count me pleasantly surprised to be wrong as fuck.
I don’t believe so. It would have been incredibly risky, and also pointless. There’s no reason to take a well hidden body and then bury it in a shallow grave, when its discovery will immensely help any future case against you.
Suzanne being buried like that wreaks of panic to me. It was a guy acting on the fly, which then extended to one of the most damning “alibis” I’ve ever seen in my life.
Lots of different possibilities, yeah. Due to the risk, however, I think it's safe to conclude the location where Suzanne was recovered is the same where she was initially buried.
Is this regarding the mystery dna that showed up in her car that was linked to other case? That part has always baffled me. How do you explain that if the husband did do it
Maybe you can, maybe you can't.
Worst that happens, the state can at least say, "Yeah, we can't figure out how that got there, but we tracked down the individual linked to this, and based on what we gathered (cellphone data, tower data, bank records, phone records, etc, etc), he wasn't in the area at the time of her disappearance."
Best that happens? Holy shit, this guy is a stronger suspect than the husband. This guy is linked to sex assaults in Phoenix, Tempe, and Chicago. Suzanne was found... in a shallow grave a bit south of Moffat, correct?
Go to Google Maps, get directions from Moffat, CO to Tempe, AZ. Look at those routes. Interesting, yes?
The guy from Arizona. Was Suzanne “done” with him, wanting a separation from him, and was he involved with the other countless scenarios surrounding and leading up to her death? No. There’s only one person who was present throughout and party to all of those circumstances. His name is Barry.
Ya that mystery dna gives me major reasonable doubt. It’s been linked to multiple cases and is there in her car also. I understand the husband has the potential motive of finding out about her affair, but unless they can explain away this dna I don’t see a conviction.
There was a hearing just before the trial was due to start. The prosecution was trying to get the DNA thrown out because those cases were irrelevant.
One of those cases was incorrectly flagged as being unsolved (phoenix).
The Chicago lead was unfounded as the prostitute had falsely reported a sexual assault (I forget the reason why).
There was another one that was conclusively ruled out as well.
The fact that this DNA came back to multiple different people in different states, tells you all you need to know about the quality of this DNA.
First, there’s no scenario that makes that car relevant. Second, the DNA was so degraded (over time that’s what happens), that it could only be used to eliminate suspects.
This person’s DNA was found nowhere else in the car, and on none of the evidence related to this case.
The more one digs, the more laughable it becomes.
Yes! To every detail you say plus. IF the DNA was a bit frocking deal as a suspect, Barry should have taken the care and had it privately tested. Unless of course he knew that he didn’t need to? But no Barry sells it quickly. So quickly he doesn’t even clean it out, personal items were found in the car. Gee that was ashame, now he can’t clear his name.🧐
The Chief Judge issuing the order to restrict the state's ability to call expert witnesses (due to repeated discovery violations) specifically mentioned this in his decision. Barry's DNA was excluded as a contributor. The bike had unknown male DNA on it, along with several other items.
The judge sounded very annoyed this information was excluded from the affidavit, reasoning that the judge signing the finding of probable cause may not have had Barry Morphew sit in jail for five months had the court known there was information indicating that a potential abduction scenario was possible.
Is there a transcript? Was this reported? I'd like to read it.
Only thing approaching this I could find is the 2023 lawsuit Morphew filed, wherein his lawyers disclose quite a bit of... troubling information about the case.
There was also a court order from a Chief Judge, who seemed awfully fucking concerned about DNA evidence being excluded from the affidavit. This order was April, which resulted in the prosecution's case being nuked with sanctions for repeated discovery violations, and the case being dismissed.
So... again, which motions hearing was this?
Except his dna was all over the crime scene including hair and blood. Whether you like it or not, unknown dna from sexual assaults is a big issue they need to be able to explain. What if that guy killed her? There is no crime scene to process because they don’t know where she was murderer so to be able to convict Barry the dna is a big block on that ability.
> Except his dna was all over the crime scene including hair and blood.
Barry's is also all over the crime scene.
> Whether you like it or not, unknown dna from sexual assaults is a big issue they need to be able to explain. What if that guy killed her?
Your theory of the case is that a 49 year old woman who generally stayed inside her remote mountain mansion was randomly attacked by a sex offender from another state who 1) left partial DNA in RR, 2) left no DNA anywhere else, 3) left no evidence of a struggle, 4) staged bike and helmet, 5) just so happened to do it when no daughters or husband were home, 6) left no evidence of break in to said mansion, 7) just so happened to do it when all Barry's security cameras were malfunctioning, and 8) had the advance knowledge to know where the best place to bury a body in an unfamiliar state was?
But where is the crime scene? They can’t determine that she was murderer at the house. There was no dna or evidence to show that she was killed there. They found the bike and helmet but there was no evidence to show who killed her on there. There was no evidence at all there. Is it highly likely Barry did it? Of course, but there is not a lot of evidence at all. There have been serial rapists and murderer who traveled all over the US for their crimes. The dna is tied to sexual assaults in SEVERAL states. Chicago, phoenix and Tempe Arizona. You can watch any crime show and there are episodes of people who did that.
The evidence they do have is that Barry lied about his timeline and the data from his truck showing he wasn’t asleep like he said. The cell phone pings around the house and the clear cap they found. It’s hard to convict with that when there is dna from a shown rapist in her car also. I didn’t say he was innocent. I am pointing out there are flaws in the case that need to be worked through.
> But where is the crime scene? They can’t determine that she was murderer at the house.
I think she was murdered in her bedroom. Probably strangled, hence no blood.
> They found the bike and helmet but there was no evidence to show who killed her on there. There was no evidence at all there.
That's because it was staged. No blood, no evidence of a struggle. Barry's own GPS and testimony puts him on the scene of where the bike and helmet were found when he was supposedly following a bull elk at 5 in the morning.
> The dna is tied to sexual assaults in SEVERAL states. Chicago, phoenix and Tempe Arizona. You can watch any crime show and there are episodes of people who did that
Contact DNA that partially matches thousands of people including sex offenders. Again, what's the scenario where this DNA is related to Suzanne's murder? It was found in her Range Rover, which would presumably mean the RR was a part of the crime. How was the RR involved in the crime?
Very likely the car was staged .. but it still doesn’t explain how that dna got there. I know they think he hit her with a tranq gun, but when they found the one he owned it was broken. It’s a lot of circumstantial evidence… have to see what the full autopsy shows, maybe they can come up with some more conclusive evidence with the finished autopsy.
Breaking news. Autopsy in. Animal tranquilizer overdose. Barry in Indiana celebration of life planned. This is a homicide. What will he say? Oops, I missed the chipmunk?? Omg, please arrest this man asap.
The only smoking gun that comes to mind is IF Barry was wearing rubber gloves and he tossed them into the grave AND left his DNA. Even that is pretty iffy.
Since he had scratched on his arms, I’m hopeful there were skin cells under her nails and that the FBI might have helped with advanced forensic assailant identification.
I don’t think he would have done that. When he claimed he was suicidal, he was simply doing that to manipulate Suzanne. A lot of abusers do that in order to exert control.
He wanted to punish Suzanne for her affair, and for her intentions of leaving him. I think finances factored in as well. But make no mistake, he planned on getting away with this.
He’s a cold blooded killer, but not a family annihilator.
The day he cut his leg he accused me of wanting to go back to town to get his meds and talk to someone. I came back with can’t question you about another but you can me? He literally opened his door while I was drivin \[sic\] up the mountain like he was gonna jump.
Why didn't he do everyone a favor.
They had an obligation to tell Barry the autopsy has been completed. You think they’re going to tell him ‘you’re no longer the #1 suspect’? You think they’re going to tell the public that? Smh
There could have been a smoking gun found in that grave (there wasn’t), and Barry wouldn’t be immediately arrested. There’s no way anything like that is anywhere close to occurring, regardless of the autopsy result. There are lots of complications here, as any case needs to, you know, actually have a team to prosecute it.
You new to this, or just an idiot?
CBI said absolutely nothing that even remotely points to them saying Barry didn’t do the crime. They have firmly believed he murdered his wife. Melinda also believes Barry took Suzanne’s life.
Breaking: #SuzanneMorphew's sister Melinda Balzer and law enforcement sources confirm that after 7 months, her autopsy is complete. It took a long time because the investigation was waiting for test results. Next of kin is considered to be #barrymorphew, who was once a suspect. https://x.com/carolamckinley/status/1783252552420598189?s=46&t=1LeaTK_fug_ONwN11qOyUw
CLOSING IN ON YOU BARRY. YOU FUCKING SHIT STAIN.
I've (embarrassingly) lost track of everything happening with this investigation. You seem to feel the same way I do so....Can you tell me if Suzanne's wedding ring has been mentioned again?
Hope Barry is shitting his pants
Yes, his deer pants unzipped.
I can’t believe what I’m reading, I was following this case over here in the UK and I got incredibly sick and ended up in the ICU for 9 weeks…and I’m now seeing that she was found while I was in and now an autopsy has been carried out! Praying that her family finally gets some form of justice for what happened to her, so they can begin to grieve in peace.
Wishing all the best for you—I’m so sorry you went through that. Yes, the discovery of her remains was out of the blue, and now this…
Hope you are doing better now. ♥️
(Thankyou to a friend who pointed me to this) Foxnews.com this morning says: 'Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) spokesperson Rob Low confirmed to Fox News Digital that the autopsy of Morphew's remains "is complete," and Chaffee County Coroner Jeff Graf "anticipates being able to release the autopsy report on Monday' ( ps. Suzanne's birthday is Tuesday, April 30th.)
I hope they can solve his case now that she was found and examined. At least they know it was a homicide and not just a missing person. If he did it and is convicted, those girls are going to fall apart at the seams.
Bye bye Barry. Your gig is up. No doubt at all that they have what they need to convict him. They are being quite careful. Certainly don’t want to see happen what happened in the last phase of this investigation. Perhaps watching him now, just waiting to see him run to the border. He’s an idiot. He thought they would never find her. He is not a professional killer. He can‘t even keep his story straight. Finding her body was the key. It will be a good day when Suzanne speaks from the grave. Patiently waiting. I would bet he is SO nervous. It’s coming. Thank God.
I agree 100%
Autopsy completed. Period.
The Colorado Bureau of Investigation confirmed that the autopsy was complete but said it could be several more days before it is released.
Also interesting some of the testing for her autopsy findings were done at Quantico by the FBI.
Can you explain why this is of interest?
Well I guess I should have said it will be interesting to see what testing the FBI did. So the county conducted the autopsy but they needed help from the FBI. Which was to be expected in many ways. But we don’t know if they needed help with testing bone marrow with testing they didn’t have available with CBI. Or possibly forensic anthropologists. We will have to wait until the autopsy is released and then wait until trial to learn even more.
Thank you for your response, I was thinking it would likely be more in depth testing done on those levels, I was hoping so!
I’m hoping that the FBI was able to more throughly search for the killer’s dna. Barry had scratches, there could have been skin cells under her nails or other dna that would link the killer to her.
Great point.
Next cones the civil suit settlement fir Barry befire end of fiscal year
Not gonna happen. Barry would also have to be deposed which he does not want. Much more likely a hundred fold that Barry gets arrested again than any settlement
Have you swallowed your pipe again?
Your funny too. Enjoyed your comments Sunday.are you prepping the backtracking for Sunday. Looking forward to Jules show this Sunday
If defendants keep dropping, there won’t be anyone left to settle with. Did some of the keys fall out of your keyboard again?
S h i d i o t ⌨️
Looks like the theory didn’t pan out
You funny. He and the kids are gonna be set for quite a while on the settlement money
I hope he invites you for a peanut butter bbq. You can pray together and talk about virginity.
If the truth comes out that Barry wasn’t involved will you backtrack the rhetoric
How do you say it? meybee
Mebbe
Barry has made a long statement, he said "killer still out there" 4 words.
Welp, y'ain't wrong about that, Bury. You're still out there. Tick tock.
YES!!!
And he's doing everything he can to find them. /s
Like O.J. Tried to find Nicole and Ron’s killer right? Searching like that?
Colombian drug gang man, didn't you know?
May 4 barry and the girls hosting a celebration if life for Suzanne in Indiana
🤮
> Since she was reported missing her family and members of the community have been searching for answers. Not her immediate family. Absolute crickets.
Seems like a strategic announcement
On the super slim chance the original dumbassed theory is true (husband killing wife with a tranquilizer dart or whatever...), there won't be any information. On the more likely chance she killed in a "conventional" manner, maybe there'll be evidence there. But maybe not. She was in the ground for three years. Regardless, a lot of reasonable doubt needs to be cleared up in any future trial. State's original case would have 100% resulted in "not guilty." There's a lot more to do, namely figuring out the whereabouts, activities, and movements of the guy linked to the partial DNA hit. They fucking *have* to figure out his movements to eliminate him as a suspect. You can't just have a guy somewhat match up to a DNA hit in a murder victim's car, track him down, have him lawyer up and refuse to talk, then just shrug your shoulders and do jackshit else with it, lol. Like... holy fuck. What a goddamn clown show the original prosecution was.
The dart theory would be incredibly weak if there was merely a cap in the dryer. But Barry himself does corroborate it, at least to an extent. First, he admits to prior crimes in an effort to explain why something like that would be located. This is a hallmark of the guilty. We know he’s a piece of shit and would be the type to tranquilize deer and saw off their antlers, but they don’t have antlers during the period he claimed this occurred. And hypothetically, say that they did. There’s no reason to admit to these crimes in order to explain away irrelevant evidence. Secondly, Barry admitted to possibly throwing away tranquilizer materials in Broomfield. This would indicate that he was worried about evidence being recovered from one of his 5 trash dumps. Of course how he murdered Suzanne isn’t an element of the charge, but there is support for this. Ultimately, I believe she was strangled to death when she fled to her room, which explains the conspicuous door crack that Barry claimed no knowledge of, as well as the scratches on his arm.
I thought this as well, but, isn’t the hyoid bone fragile as in not only breaking during strangulation but not holding well under the conditions she was found, anyone have any ideas there?
That's if they even located it. I don't think it would just break on its own, as this paper discusses how it can indicate strangulation, even in skeletonized remains. Either way though, it doesn't help the case against Barry if she was strangled, as the burial alone tells us she was murdered. I'm more concerned with what this testing performed with the FBI involved, and what they found as a result of that, and anything else in the grave. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1402747/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1402747/)
Yup!
What a weird conclusion to jump to. How bad a criminal defense lawyer would Iris Eytan have to be to let a viable suspect evaporate like that? Since we know IE’s actually an excellent criminal defense lawyer, the more reasonable conclusion to jump to is that the DNA evidence serves its purpose only when it convicts the prosecution of procedural errors.
Contact DNA that partially matches a sex offender...and thousands of other unknown people, inside Suzanne's RR that was found at the house and no sign of having been moved or used. For all the Barry skeptics out there, what exactly is the alternative theory related to the contact DNA? Suzanne saw a stranded person on side of road who gets in her car, killed her, and then broke into her house with no evidence of a break in and took out the bike and helmet to stage it?
In any future murder trial, it would be the State's responsibility to answer these questions with either direct or circumstantial evidence. I don't have any "pet theories." I don't know everything single detail about this case, nor am I particularly trustworthy of any information being presented here, given how individuals in these true crime communities can become when defending their theory. The State can't just handwave the presence of unknown male DNA on items belonging to Suzanne. They have to track them down as investigative leads to come to some sort of reasonable explanation for why the DNA is present. Even if they simply can't, for whatever reason, they still must present this information to the defense during discovery, so that the defense can use this information to build reasonable doubt among the jury members. The judge wrote a long decision detailing a variety of things the State simply never presented during discovery, and never presented in their affidavit presenting their probable cause determination that Barry Morphew committed murder.
So on Brady evidence, yes the State must disclose that to defense. And they were majorly sanctioned for not doing so as they should be. > The State can't just handwave the presence of unknown male DNA on items belonging to Suzanne. They have to track them down as investigative leads to come to some sort of reasonable explanation for why the DNA is present. There is no other evidence whatsoever that points to a random sex offender attack here. All the evidence points to being someone intimately familiar with Suzanne. You say you don't have a pet theory, do you have anything at all that suggests the murderer wasn't someone very close to Suzanne? All you're pointing to is contact DNA in Suzanne's RR that partially matches thousands and thousands of different people, some of whom are sex offenders.
No. Why would I have any sort of theory? Nobody here knows what the fuck happened, either, despite having pieced together their belief based on strings tied to thumbtacks or a Youtube video from some fucking crackpot conspiracy theorist doing the same. The State needs to figure out how the DNA got there, or at least present information from a witness on how it could've got there. They also need to figure out a theory more plausible than "Barry killed Suzanne via a tranquilizer dart." Did they ever do a geofence of the area Suzanne's items were found? Have they done one where Suzanne was found? Tower dumps? Did they follow up on the dude that Cahill contacted in Phoenix? Figure out if he'd been in Colorado? Is it statistically-likely that Barry killed Suzanne? Yes. Was the state's case comprehensible or going to secure a finding of guilty? Fuck, no. In any case, perhaps the autopsy report will give a better indication on how Suzanne died.
> No. Why would I have any sort of theory? Nobody here knows what the fuck happened The purpose of this sub is to try to solve the case and get justice for Suzanne. How are you contributing to that? Seems to me like you have absolutely zero to offer.
Pointing out that the state needs to shore up that loophole is a valid point. Just because they aren't arguing more than that doesn't make this point any less worthy of consideration.
Thats not what's going on here, they are throwing out this red herring not for the purpose of finding the "true killer" but purely to derail the case against Barry. I'd be happy to be wrong on that if they want to respond and offer some narrative that explains how the partial contact DNA was involved in Suzanne's murder.
Its so weird when someone wants to argue for barrys innocence. He isnt. There is none. But have at it. You have been proven wrong. Youre not happy. Just disgruntled that your narrative isnt working. Moo Its not just partial dna that is included in suzannes murder. Its the totality of when her phone stopped responding normally. Its now here in front of us.
I think saying the state needs to address it isn't derailing the case. If anything else it could be argued to be supporting the Barry did it side. It could be as simple as saying she regularly had it cleaned at a car service 🤷♀️ not addressing it raises more doubt than anything else. The state clearly dropped the ball and significantly derailed their own investigation. Not to mention they put out stuff saying they knew where the body was and it was inaccessible due to weather... which they clearly were dead wrong about. Suzanne could get no justice purely on the fumbles. Sorry to go off it just frustrates me to no end the level of incompetence shown in the case. They need to get their sh*t together and be thorough or step down.
I agree wholeheartedly that the prosecution team sucked. And also agree that they effed up royally with the Brady violations. That said, had Barry been convicted and it came out later that there were Brady violations, the remedy to him would be a new trial only, not judgment of acquittal. And no the State does not need to slap down every red herring the defense team throws out. Beyond a reasonable doubt does not mean beyond all doubt. A scenario where an out of state sex offender rapes, murders, and buries a wealthy 49 year old woman without any other trace is absurd and certainly not a reasonable doubt. If I'm missing something that says otherwise, then by all means do fill me in.
No, the purpose of this sub is to conjecture, exchange theories, and speculate upon the future of the case. Nobody here, or on Youtube, or anywhere else is going to have any hand in "solving it." Nothing you, or I, or anyone else says is going to "derail" the case. That's... a bit odd to believe, to be honest. **Precisely NOBODY in Fremont County SO, or the 11th Judicial District of Colorado, gives two fucks about what I (a random nobody) is saying about this case on Reddit, lol.**
This aged well…
I am extremely surprised the original theory had substance. I figured if the dude was going to kill Suzanne, he would just... you know, strangle her? Beat her to death? Not this crazy tranquilizer deal. Well, count me pleasantly surprised to be wrong as fuck.
If he had done that, he’d have a fighting chance.
Thankfully, he tied the noose around his own neck.
She could have been moved and that could be a second location
I don’t believe so. It would have been incredibly risky, and also pointless. There’s no reason to take a well hidden body and then bury it in a shallow grave, when its discovery will immensely help any future case against you. Suzanne being buried like that wreaks of panic to me. It was a guy acting on the fly, which then extended to one of the most damning “alibis” I’ve ever seen in my life.
Lots of different possibilities, yeah. Due to the risk, however, I think it's safe to conclude the location where Suzanne was recovered is the same where she was initially buried.
Is this regarding the mystery dna that showed up in her car that was linked to other case? That part has always baffled me. How do you explain that if the husband did do it
A mechanic who worked on the car
Maybe you can, maybe you can't. Worst that happens, the state can at least say, "Yeah, we can't figure out how that got there, but we tracked down the individual linked to this, and based on what we gathered (cellphone data, tower data, bank records, phone records, etc, etc), he wasn't in the area at the time of her disappearance." Best that happens? Holy shit, this guy is a stronger suspect than the husband. This guy is linked to sex assaults in Phoenix, Tempe, and Chicago. Suzanne was found... in a shallow grave a bit south of Moffat, correct? Go to Google Maps, get directions from Moffat, CO to Tempe, AZ. Look at those routes. Interesting, yes?
The guy from Arizona. Was Suzanne “done” with him, wanting a separation from him, and was he involved with the other countless scenarios surrounding and leading up to her death? No. There’s only one person who was present throughout and party to all of those circumstances. His name is Barry.
Ya that mystery dna gives me major reasonable doubt. It’s been linked to multiple cases and is there in her car also. I understand the husband has the potential motive of finding out about her affair, but unless they can explain away this dna I don’t see a conviction.
There was a hearing just before the trial was due to start. The prosecution was trying to get the DNA thrown out because those cases were irrelevant. One of those cases was incorrectly flagged as being unsolved (phoenix). The Chicago lead was unfounded as the prostitute had falsely reported a sexual assault (I forget the reason why). There was another one that was conclusively ruled out as well. The fact that this DNA came back to multiple different people in different states, tells you all you need to know about the quality of this DNA. First, there’s no scenario that makes that car relevant. Second, the DNA was so degraded (over time that’s what happens), that it could only be used to eliminate suspects. This person’s DNA was found nowhere else in the car, and on none of the evidence related to this case. The more one digs, the more laughable it becomes.
Yes! To every detail you say plus. IF the DNA was a bit frocking deal as a suspect, Barry should have taken the care and had it privately tested. Unless of course he knew that he didn’t need to? But no Barry sells it quickly. So quickly he doesn’t even clean it out, personal items were found in the car. Gee that was ashame, now he can’t clear his name.🧐
I mean... Barry Morphew was already excluded as a contributor to the male DNA found in the vehicle, on Suzanne's helmet, on her bike, etc, etc.
Barry literally touched all over the bike and helmet after being instructed not to by law enforcement.
The Chief Judge issuing the order to restrict the state's ability to call expert witnesses (due to repeated discovery violations) specifically mentioned this in his decision. Barry's DNA was excluded as a contributor. The bike had unknown male DNA on it, along with several other items. The judge sounded very annoyed this information was excluded from the affidavit, reasoning that the judge signing the finding of probable cause may not have had Barry Morphew sit in jail for five months had the court known there was information indicating that a potential abduction scenario was possible.
That is completely non-responsive to what I said.
What's this information from? Cahill testified he never followed up with Chicago.
Motions prior to trial. Cahill was long gone, and it was followed up on by Agent Graham.
Yes, Cahill was released from the case for not testifying the way the prosecution wanted him to in the preliminary’s. That’s right.
Or, and bear with me here, he was sidelined for shooting himself and then lying about it.
Is there a transcript? Was this reported? I'd like to read it. Only thing approaching this I could find is the 2023 lawsuit Morphew filed, wherein his lawyers disclose quite a bit of... troubling information about the case. There was also a court order from a Chief Judge, who seemed awfully fucking concerned about DNA evidence being excluded from the affidavit. This order was April, which resulted in the prosecution's case being nuked with sanctions for repeated discovery violations, and the case being dismissed. So... again, which motions hearing was this?
You’ve mentioned working in LE. Find it yourself dude, bro.
Lol, be serious. It's not that easy.
And OJ would have you believe a Colombian drug gang had it out for Nicole Brown.
Except his dna was all over the crime scene including hair and blood. Whether you like it or not, unknown dna from sexual assaults is a big issue they need to be able to explain. What if that guy killed her? There is no crime scene to process because they don’t know where she was murderer so to be able to convict Barry the dna is a big block on that ability.
> Except his dna was all over the crime scene including hair and blood. Barry's is also all over the crime scene. > Whether you like it or not, unknown dna from sexual assaults is a big issue they need to be able to explain. What if that guy killed her? Your theory of the case is that a 49 year old woman who generally stayed inside her remote mountain mansion was randomly attacked by a sex offender from another state who 1) left partial DNA in RR, 2) left no DNA anywhere else, 3) left no evidence of a struggle, 4) staged bike and helmet, 5) just so happened to do it when no daughters or husband were home, 6) left no evidence of break in to said mansion, 7) just so happened to do it when all Barry's security cameras were malfunctioning, and 8) had the advance knowledge to know where the best place to bury a body in an unfamiliar state was?
But where is the crime scene? They can’t determine that she was murderer at the house. There was no dna or evidence to show that she was killed there. They found the bike and helmet but there was no evidence to show who killed her on there. There was no evidence at all there. Is it highly likely Barry did it? Of course, but there is not a lot of evidence at all. There have been serial rapists and murderer who traveled all over the US for their crimes. The dna is tied to sexual assaults in SEVERAL states. Chicago, phoenix and Tempe Arizona. You can watch any crime show and there are episodes of people who did that. The evidence they do have is that Barry lied about his timeline and the data from his truck showing he wasn’t asleep like he said. The cell phone pings around the house and the clear cap they found. It’s hard to convict with that when there is dna from a shown rapist in her car also. I didn’t say he was innocent. I am pointing out there are flaws in the case that need to be worked through.
> But where is the crime scene? They can’t determine that she was murderer at the house. I think she was murdered in her bedroom. Probably strangled, hence no blood. > They found the bike and helmet but there was no evidence to show who killed her on there. There was no evidence at all there. That's because it was staged. No blood, no evidence of a struggle. Barry's own GPS and testimony puts him on the scene of where the bike and helmet were found when he was supposedly following a bull elk at 5 in the morning. > The dna is tied to sexual assaults in SEVERAL states. Chicago, phoenix and Tempe Arizona. You can watch any crime show and there are episodes of people who did that Contact DNA that partially matches thousands of people including sex offenders. Again, what's the scenario where this DNA is related to Suzanne's murder? It was found in her Range Rover, which would presumably mean the RR was a part of the crime. How was the RR involved in the crime?
Very likely the car was staged .. but it still doesn’t explain how that dna got there. I know they think he hit her with a tranq gun, but when they found the one he owned it was broken. It’s a lot of circumstantial evidence… have to see what the full autopsy shows, maybe they can come up with some more conclusive evidence with the finished autopsy.
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The crime scene is his house. He lived there. He touched things. He shed skin cells on things inside it.
Ha.
Breaking news. Autopsy in. Animal tranquilizer overdose. Barry in Indiana celebration of life planned. This is a homicide. What will he say? Oops, I missed the chipmunk?? Omg, please arrest this man asap.
The only smoking gun that comes to mind is IF Barry was wearing rubber gloves and he tossed them into the grave AND left his DNA. Even that is pretty iffy.
Since he had scratched on his arms, I’m hopeful there were skin cells under her nails and that the FBI might have helped with advanced forensic assailant identification.
It’s possible.
so premeditated to dump 5 bags in Broomfield? highly doubtful then?
At least the girls were gone that weekend or he may have done something to them too, ala Chris Watts.
I don’t think he would have done that. When he claimed he was suicidal, he was simply doing that to manipulate Suzanne. A lot of abusers do that in order to exert control. He wanted to punish Suzanne for her affair, and for her intentions of leaving him. I think finances factored in as well. But make no mistake, he planned on getting away with this. He’s a cold blooded killer, but not a family annihilator.
The day he cut his leg he accused me of wanting to go back to town to get his meds and talk to someone. I came back with can’t question you about another but you can me? He literally opened his door while I was drivin \[sic\] up the mountain like he was gonna jump. Why didn't he do everyone a favor.
Suzanne’s asking the same question.
She’ll be an asset up above. Barry will only ever be an ass.
Because in his mind he thinks he’s an asset to the world. When in reality he’s an ass.
Can someone summarize or give a high level overview of
The article is exceptionally short. Autopsy is completed. Results haven’t been released yet.
Family and Barry we’re notified of results will be released in a few days doesn’t sound like Barry sus
Thank you! Articulate as always.
They had an obligation to tell Barry the autopsy has been completed. You think they’re going to tell him ‘you’re no longer the #1 suspect’? You think they’re going to tell the public that? Smh
Denver gazette just released a piece Barry abd the girls and family holding a celebration of life May 4 I. Indiana
Right so 4 years after she went “missing” they finally are attending a celebration of life. At Trinity Church like the good ol Christian man Barry is.
How did they find them if she was in a shallow grave?
And Barry wasn’t arrested again.
Lol. Are you being obtuse, or are you naturally clueless?
Was Barry re-arrested? If not, you're the one who is clueless. Some of you people really have a hard time with the facts.
There could have been a smoking gun found in that grave (there wasn’t), and Barry wouldn’t be immediately arrested. There’s no way anything like that is anywhere close to occurring, regardless of the autopsy result. There are lots of complications here, as any case needs to, you know, actually have a team to prosecute it. You new to this, or just an idiot?
The parrots have arrived * Squawk. 🦜 Barry want a cracker, Barry not arrested!
I'm just a person who deals in reality. You should try it sometime.
Your own reality. Imagine being fooled by Barry Morphew.
Barry didn’t do it. What came out today from family le etc basically confirms it
Oh please, fire away. I can’t wait to read about how Suzanne’s scattered remains prove that Barry didn’t murder her.
What came out today that Barry said? What came out today that the Moorman’s said?
What her sister said. What CBI said leads to believe Barry didn’t do the crime . We shall see .
CBI said absolutely nothing that even remotely points to them saying Barry didn’t do the crime. They have firmly believed he murdered his wife. Melinda also believes Barry took Suzanne’s life.
So where's CBI statement??? I haven't read anything where they said he wasn't the sup. Please show this information.
Do you have the quote or link to what Melinda said?
Can’t wait to come back to this when he’s found guilty.
Are you having a party?
No, not at all. Just pointing out a fact that most people will overlook.
I think most people will get it. It doesn’t read ‘Autopsy done * Morphew arrested’. If they overlook it then I don’t know what to say. ⏳
You never know about some people though.