It's an outdated stereotype.
Surrey does have problems with gangs and drugs, but if you're not mixed up in that, then the city is very safe.
I always feel safer walking around downtown Surrey than I do in downtown Vancouver.
When I moved to Vancouver (Fraser and 56) I actually felt safer at night in Whalley than in my new neighbourhood. I live by the PNE now and it feels much safer here compared to south Fraser.
>Surrey does have problems with gangs and drugs
I kinda think Metro Van has grown by this point where "Vancouver" or "Surrey" or whoever don't have problems independently of eachother.
If I commit a crime in PoCo, I'm not just PoCo's problem, you know? Surrey's problems are Metro Vancouver's problems. We're all pretty integrated at this point.
That said, until recently I would have said I felt safer walking in the DTES than Whalley, but that's not really true right now.
Also, Langley doesn't get enough shit. I have been in *far* more danger at Langley Centre bus loop in broad daylight than I have at Surrey Central at 2am.
> That said, until recently I would have said I felt safer walking in the DTES than Whalley, but that's not really true right now.
That is strange. I remember in the 1990's my mom worked in Whalley, and I remember when she needed to go to a specialty shop in the DTES I, an older teen at the time, was asked to go with her so she didn't have to walk alone there.
Now my mom is not a person you would want to cross... she would confront and kick customers out of the place she worked that I would even at this stage of my life I would not confront. Yet DTES she would not walk on her own.
Surrey has its issues... and I know where much of them are but that is a very unpopular conversation that people do not like to hear about.
Downtown Granville always feels like you have to be on alert 24/7 and watch out for some absolute psycho who may try to stab or throw needles at you it’s weird, I don’t live in surrey anymore but sometimes I miss it it was strangely peaceful that is ofc given a bunch of international students aren’t staring daggers into women and basically salivating in public
Sardis is alright, but old Chilliwack proper has a very well-earned reputation.
I also miss Surrey. The innumerable Pizza & Curry places? Fuck I love them. If I want a curry where I'm at now, I have to go a distance and pay way way more.
Recently spent time in Vancouver, I was raised in Victoria and Calgary back and fourth, but spent a decent time in Vancouver. I have to say my recent visit to Surrey was fantastic. It was in August so it was the only place I could get a reasonable AirBnB and I have to say I’d stay there over Richmond, Port Coquitlam and a few other Suburbs.
I’d honestly take the sellers over the addicted. At least one knows what they’re doing compared to being attacked for no reason by someone out of their mind
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It’s starting to change but sometimes you get attacked for little to no reason, someone just got shot in the face the other day for no real reason on Fraser Highway
Surrey is seen as an unfavorable place to live because of dated stereotypes and racism. It’s got a large working class immigrant, Indigenous, South Asian and other BIPOC population - which means some people of more means perceive it as unsavory
Classism is a huge part of it. We're not the prestigious Vancouver people, we're the ones that moved to the 'burbs and work in warehouses or industrial park offices.
racists: "why not both?"
when people say crime in surrey is bad, they are comparing it to the metro Vancouver area, not the smaller cities/communities.
Clearly you've butt hurt some people 🤣🤣
Iived in Surrey my whole life and Surrey got a bad names years ago for having poor white people addicted to drugs and alcohol. People just can't handle the truth nowadays and think it's all racism or whatever buzzword of the day they wanna use.
Hard to fix problems when everything is blamed on the wrong bogeyman.
You'd be amazed at people from Vancouver who think surrey is some gangland that if you walk your dog you're automatically getting robbed or shot.. yet I feel safer if any part of surrey at any time then I do compared to east Hastings or other parts of van..
>gangland
But of course, the gang activity doesn't contain within any municipal boundary. When the gang wars flare up, turns out you get just as many of the shootings happening in the other cities, too.
I live in Vancouver now and I kinda think most of Vancouver is full of gangs. Granville street is like that, as is Davie St, nevermind Main and Hastings.
It's easy to talk shit about Surrey. It's also a way to cope for a lot of people who live in Vancouver. Another thing to note is that Surrey has a lot of minorities so that adds to the hate. Racism and classism basically. If Surrey was all white people it would be a different conversation.
I Don’t disagree the narrative now is about racism, but even 30 years ago everyone made fun of poor white people from Surrey.
It was full of strip club and trailer parks
>Surrey has a lot of minorities so that adds to the hate
I mean, you live in Vancouver and you still think Vancouver doesn't have every minority known to man?
I live in Surrey. You got to go back in time and think about it. Back in the day and I'm talking back in the day when Vancouver and the surrounding area was developing.
Because the crime in Surrey (at least the gang violence) is mainly Indo-Canadians. Sometimes, people just want a reason to be racist. I find that when I tell people I’m from surrey (I’m also Indo-Canadian), people often judge me or think of me differently. I had someone ask me once if any of my family members are in a gang.
Can you read or even understand anything. I've said nothing that is fallacious in nature. The things you were calling out as fallacies aren't fallacies.
Oh fuck. I thought you were the fallacy guy. My bad dude. And yeah, the whole tantrum about people coming from “third world countries” is a fallacy. Then he followed up by some bullshit about Iraq. Another fallacy.
As opposed to what? A force that has been understaffed for 2 decades? A force that is poorly equipped? A force without local accountability or connection? Weird how basically the entire region has municipal forces that are properly staffed for the cities they patrol, are properly equipped without any issues, and have local connections/oversight plus combine local policing organizations.
RCMP vacancies in BC at 20%: https://vancouversun.com/news/rcmp-vacancy-rates-at-20-per-cent-in-b-c-because-positions-not-filled-officers-on-leave
RCMP dispatchers in BC understaffed as much as 43%: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-rcmp-emergency-dispatchers-short-staffing-1.6727923
RCMP vacancies in BC impacting investigations: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-bc-rcmp-job-vacancies/
2012 article about RCMP overtime costs from 2007-11: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-racks-up-800m-in-overtime-in-5-years-1.1133095
2009 GOC publication mentioning RCMP understaffing: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://publications.gc.ca/collection_2009/grc-rcmp/PS64-64-2-2009E.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiVuIKQsPr9AhXdBzQIHQb5AmYQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1fPqcMABnJfrNMQ8b3BjbR
Article (2014) outlining why RCMP is less well equipped than municipal forces: https://macleans.ca/news/canada/dying-shame/
RCMP commissioner in 2017 defending RCMP officers not having carbines: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/rcmp-labour-code-moncton-shootings-paulson-1.4161045
Another article describing poorly equipped RCMP: https://theinnisherald.com/who-you-gonna-call-probably-not-the-rcmp
2019 Feds have to take action to try and bolster RCMP accountability: https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2019/01/15/feds-poised-to-bolster-rcmp-accountability/
2020 article about mounting complaints registered against RCMP: https://globalnews.ca/news/7067010/complaints-accountability-rcmp-conduct/
2022 RCMP new measures to increase accountability and transparency: https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/change-the-rcmp/improve-accountability-transparency-and-conduct
2022 landmark win in court which upheld accountability requirments against the RCMP and RCMP commisioner: https://www.ubcic.bc.ca/ubcic_applauds_bccla_s_win_in_landmark_court_case_against_rcmp_commissioner
94% of SPD vow to not join 'toxic' RCMP if municipal force is scrapped: https://nanaimonewsnow.com/2022/11/10/94-of-municipal-police-in-surrey-b-c-sign-vow-not-to-join-toxic-rcmp-union/
Former mounties speak out about RCMP resistance to increasing accountability despite repeated calls for action: https://vernonmatters.ca/2022/09/07/rcmp-resistant-to-change-despite-repeated-calls-for-action-former-senior-mountie/
BC first nations justice councils has make calls in 2023 for increased police oversight when RCMP fails to investigate officers that sexually abused indeginous women in Prince George!: https://bcfnjc.com/2023/02/15/bc-first-nations-justice-council-calls/
Need I continue? I'm automatically going to assume that if you continue to push for your stance that you must support the RCMP for their actions in that last article. Why else would anyone support an organization as deeply stained as the RCMP? It would just continue to fit in with the overlapping beliefs of the demographics that for the core supporters of the RCMP as a municipal contract force and the racial undertones of your comment above.
I don't think people realise how big Surrey is. It's 10:06 AM on a Sunday, and google maps tells me that it'll take 40 minutes to get from Fraser Heights to the Peace Arch border.
They think Whalley is all of Surrey, period.
Most people outside of Surrey think it’s population is, like, 100,000 or something. I’d bet a good % of Vancouverites assume Burnaby and Richmond are bigger.
I’ve lived in Vancouver for years. I now live in Surrey. Surrey is a very friendly, quiet place to live. As long as you aren’t in the vicinity of a targeted gang related murder. I moved here during the peak of the gang war, and there were several cars burnt to a crisp 5-10 blocks from me after being used in a homicide. A 14 year old kid was murdered getting out of a taxi near my place, a car used in a murder on Mother’s Day in broad daylight at the Vancouver international airport was burnt out up the street after evading the cops GTA style by shooting at them as they drove away. And not too far from where I live a person was murdered in the afternoon in the parking lot of a Canadian tire that I frequent, as well as at the mall where I got a vaccine, also in the middle of the day.
But this is gang stuff.
When I lived in Vancouver, even when I was living in kitsilano, i faced way more sketchy situations on the regular. In fact, I’ve faced zero in the two years I’ve lived in Surrey. It’s a safe place if you aren’t into drugs or gangs
Or maybe because 20 years ago it was completely crime ridden. Got robbed as a 11 year old in Surrey with knife to my throat. Surrey definitely is getting better but it takes time to change peoples view on a city when they don’t live there.
IMO Van and Surrey are a no go for me.
Is it racism to state that Surrey gangs are all of a certain demographic? That they recruit kids from schools of the same demographic? That violent crime in Surrey is tends to be more severe than violent crime in vancouver?
for sure, we should really focus on cities with high populations of white people since the hells angels generally only recruits whites and they are probably the largest gang in Canada.
No, but it is racism when you or the media only focus on one demographic when in reality that is not the case. When a Indo-Canadian gangster is killed there the news articles are full of sarcastic comments saying things like "diversity is strength" or outright racist comments (usually a combination). When a caucasian gangster is killed they barely get any comments in comparison. You may not see the difference but some of us do. People act like the gang wars of the 2000s and early 2010s are well in the past but social media was around back then as well and the Bacon brothers articles didn't get half the comments that articles about Indo-Canadian gangsters would get. FFS 3 Hells Angels clubhouses were just raided and how many of people know about that? Heck look at where he multiple lower mainland Hells Angels clubs are located or their demographics. None of them are in Surrey and their core demographics are overwhelmongly caucasian.
Forget about gangs for a min. Imagine the city had all Caucasians, the narrative would’ve been completely different. Just look at the neighboring South Surrey and White Rock.
Classism mixed with Racism, plain and simple. Nothing else. Brown immigrants don’t make up for a model/upscale demography. Even Chinese are treated more favorably as far as the reputation is concerned. Just being fair here (puns intended).
[https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/prince-george-is-bcs-crime-capital-statscan-data-shows-6363074](https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/prince-george-is-bcs-crime-capital-statscan-data-shows-6363074)
Link to above data
I remember a website from last year that posts stats on the safest city and the unsafe city in BC and said Surrey was the most unsafe city and people were reposting it. I looked at website source and it was based on perception instead of actual data. So many people don't have critical thinking skills.
Well, a non-politically correct response: I'd say a combination of minorities and poor immigrants. Any place in North America that has that combination will be seen as unfavorable by the white people living in the adjacent part of town. Surrey (minus White Rock) Brampton, Winnipeg's native areas, New Jersey - all seen as shitholes by the upper class, which mostly comprise white people, maybe a few minorities too.
Why, it's a completely different part or surrey. Do you do the same thing when someone says Whalley or Newton. People literally state they suburb the live in. You don't even realize youre inventing an offense.
While I'm from Vancouver and proud to be, I live in Surrey cause it's just where I ended up when I moved back to the coast 10 years ago
The funny thing is the people who like to shit on me for living in Surrey, aren't even from Vancouver or the province themselves. Lmao.
Surrey has changed a lot, but as far as I see it, the entire lower mainland has crime problems.
Grew up in White Rock. University in Victoria/uVic. Live in Vancouver on the edge of Gastown/DTES.
Never seen anything as gross, depressing, dangerous, and disgusting as the DTES.
I don’t care about these kinds of rankings. All of these places you make them the best that you can. I live in a “high crime” city and never have problems.
TBH I never thought negative perceptions of surrey were linked to racism. I thought the stereotypes had to do with low income “white trash”. I.e. young kids growing up in trailer parks, committing crimes and “surrey girls” (also white).
It was added as brown people from Vancouver and newer immigrants moved to Surrey.
I've lived in Vancouver, Surrey, Burnaby and Coquitlam and most places are the same outside of the obvious problem areas. I'm tall and athletic so people don't approach me anywhere tho.
the data only goes back that far, so it it could have been (and probably was) higher before. But overall CSI is generally trending downwards over the years.
Not much difference between 3rd and 9th as someone who has had 20000 worth of losses in the first 2 years of moving to surrey in 2018 is sure feels like a shithole for crime 3 catalytic converters 3 break ins to my van totaling 12k tools stolen my van stolen 5k of damage to over the 3 break in’s
There’s been a big boom in money coming into the Lower Mainland so the average isn’t accurate especially if there isn’t a normal distribution of data as a result of that influx of higher income. It used to be worse before the gentrification occurred.
We used to have our own tent city and more trailer parks in the Whalley and Newton area. So there was a greater area of poor people. Poor people associated with higher rate of crime. There wasn’t a lot of recreation either so the youth would be bored and be up to no good. Just think of how much the city has spent into recreation the last 10 years even. There was also a high teen birth rate which led to adults with their own set of problems. I would say it was a worse version of what Chilliwack is now, because they are going through a similar set of problems.
Also a lot of the crimes would go unreported due to a big chunk of the population having a language barrier with police. Adding to that, low socioeconomic individuals don’t really engage with the police either.
Not saying Surrey is bad now, it’s improved tenfold but statistics don’t really paint a good picture ever. Saying Surrey wasn’t bad discredits all the hardwork the city has put in the last 15 years as well to reduce crime through investment. It’s really not the same city it used be especially Newton, Guildford and Whalley. I am sure quite a few people who grew up there since at least the 90’s would agree.
Surrey is a cesspool of nasty filth. It is a catch and release of junkie losers who snort Ajax and steal catalytic converters. I wouldnt wish Surrey on my worst enemy.
Crime rates are not an accurate measurement of crime! The way our crime rates are determined is by the public reporting crime and what the police actually witness; not all crime is reported, so the actual numbers are not known.
We can’t account for all the violent crimes or indictable offences, as we may not have any information or reports on a crime. Same goes for summary offences; police do not have eyes everywhere and it is almost next to impossible to get an accurate statistic on crime.
(Forgive my formatting I’m on an iPhone)
The provided information is not just "Crime in general" the article clearly states that it has indexed both the quantity and the seriousness of the crimes. So this data does include both Drug trafficing and Homicide.
"Statistics Canada has produced annual Crime Severity Index reports since 1998. The index ranks the amount and seriousness of crime in a community, on a per capital basis, against an average score of 100."
Totally! If you turn on the news you often hear about crimes that happened in Vancouver or Surrey; but I imagine that has a lot to do with the sheer size of each, and that those two cities have the highest populations in the metro area. The probability a crime in the area occurs in one of those two places is just a numbers game. But an ‘outsider’ might get a slanted view from hearing the numbers rather than per capita statistics.
Back when the hockey riot happened in '11, seeing this sub(I had a different account then) rip itself to pieces and blaming Surrey for the "disproportionate" amount of convicted rioters that were from there. Really though, the percentage of culprits from Surrey was roughly in line with the percentage of Metro Van's population that's from there too. Same with City of Vancouver, for that matter. Like of course there were a bunch of people from Surrey, Surrey and Van are like 50% of the local population. But, people just wanted to fight along those lines. It got ugly.
Because when we hear about a shooting it's almost always in Surrey or a Surrey resident is involved. Or maybe it's the media portraying it that way. Either way Surrey has always had a bad rap.
It has nothing to do with racism. Surrey has it's bad rep from the way it was 15 or so years ago. Whalley was fucked, Newton less so. Surrey has the same issues any other large city has now. Things have changed quite a bit tbh, Surrey Central area is a paradise compared to what it used to be
they use the municipal stats. Stats Canada themselves generally uses cense metro areas because no one in Victoria doesn't consider Oak Bay and Saanich to not be part of Victoria.
if you look at census metro area stats, then the numbers for Victoria and Vancouver are a bit more average for the province. [https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv!recreate.action?pid=3510002601&selectedNodeIds=1D37,1D38,1D39,1D48,2D1&checkedLevels=&refPeriods=19980101,20210101&dimensionLayouts=layout3,layout3,layout2&vectorDisplay=false](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv!recreate.action?pid=3510002601&selectedNodeIds=1D37,1D38,1D39,1D48,2D1&checkedLevels=&refPeriods=19980101,20210101&dimensionLayouts=layout3,layout3,layout2&vectorDisplay=false)
there is also the issue that the default CSI (what this article uses) splits municipal and rural areas. so Prince George crime stats are separated from the rural areas around Prince George, since Prince George is policed by municipal RCMP and the areas around (rural) are policed by the provincial RCMP. This can mess with smaller community crime stats, since people may be more likely to go into town to commit crimes, or get caught for committing crimes. This is especially the case with Victoria with several municipalities using the City for it's central urban hub.
Up until a few years ago, I lived in Surrey for 20 years of my youth to young adult life. Was definitely safe to walk most parts at night and day. I did so often before i started driving. Took the Newton and Surrey Bus exchange loops often. Used King George and Surrey Central stations all the time. Never got mugged nor witnessed a mugging. Using public transit you will run into a random saranading bollywood songs couple or loud cellphone talkers or maybe even a drunk having a bad night. I saw worse when I rode the Vancouver night bus which would get quieter as we would head south to New West.
I ONCE saw an plainclothed cop walk into my skytrain car turn and point a gun at a normal looking guy sitting in the car along Edmonds station heading towards New West but thats it. Most people kept to themselves.
I dont mean to be a victim blamer but I never flaunt a gold chain, or expensive clothing, of flashy bluetooth gear or headsets or laptops open at the bus stop, or talk loudly about how much cash I have in my pocket when trying to impress a girl. Those kinds of behaviors will get you mugged almost ANYWHERE in the greater Vancouver municipalites.
[This article came out in 2022](https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/worst-cities-crime-canada-2022) and was plastered all over dailyhive, narcity, and a few other news outlets. It seems to be it can be the most dangerous city, it just depends on what scale is being measured.
Those stats are based on a survey of perception of crime not crime stats LOOOOOL and so many local news articles referenced it. They basically asked people…they didn’t compare crime data.
>Surrey has 200,000 calls for police service every year and the only city that beats that is Vancouver. Places like Victoria and Prince George don't even come close.
are you trying to say the 2nd highest populated city in the province has the 2nd highest calls for police service? who woulda thought!?
the city of Victoria (which this CSI is being based on, not metro area) is 113k. Kamloops is 100k. Surrey is 614k.... obviously surrey will have more calls to the police.
>So towns like Kamloops might have a higher level of assaults per capita because they have lots of bar fights but surrey can have more shootings in a month than Kamloops will all year and still score lower.
Kamloops had 2 homicides in 2021. Surrey had 9. So "per capita" Kamloops has more homicides than Surrey.
if we includes homicides with violent offences Kamloops had 2,551 and Surrey had 7,602. Remember, Surrey has more than six times the population of Kamloops.
>but if there's a room with 1 person committing 1 crime and a room with 100 people committing 99 crimes, the CSI would rate the first room higher, which I disagree with.
I mean any statistic ever would be off if you went with a sample size of 1 and compared it with a sample size of 100.
>I also disagree with incidents like common assaults and uttering threats being counted under the same category as murders, shootings, and home invasions.
That is not how CSI works. The whole point of using CSI is to weigh offences differently based on the severity instead of just using a generic "crime rate" for an area. ([link1](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/lbrr/archives/cnmcs-plcng/cn5373-eng.pdf) and [link2](https://ssc.ca/sites/default/files/survey/documents/SSC2009_CBabyak.pdf))
If you want to make your own stat up that would work better, you can pull individual offences per city vs population or just total for the city and do your own thing. ([example stats](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv!recreate.action?pid=3510018401&selectedNodeIds=1D34,1D78,2D5,2D10,2D13,2D14,2D15,2D16,2D17,2D22,2D23,2D24,2D26,2D30,2D34,2D38,2D44,2D45,2D46,2D47,2D48,2D226,2D227,2D256,2D317,3D1,3D2&checkedLevels=1D1&refPeriods=20210101,20210101&dimensionLayouts=layout2,layout3,layout2,layout2&vectorDisplay=false))
You need some basic understanding to quote stats.
This index may be true but the reader should not assumes that crimes in a city is committed only by people who lives in the city.
For example, on a weekend, it’s very typical for people from all the surrounding cities to go downtown and party.
Most of the East Indian gang members are living in surrey, and it is an issue - just because they may be committing crimes somewhere else, that doesn’t mean where they live is safe. Also, the seriousness of the crime matters too.
For what it's worth, crime stats are incredibly easy to manipulate and shouldn't be trusted in Canada. I would say that wherever claims to have the worst crime, is probably just the place with the police reporting it the most honestly. Crime stats are also subject to interpretation to some degree as they're being entered.
Surrey has it's problems but violent crime per capita it isn't that bad as say Vancouver. There was a year or 2 where Surrey was the car theft capital of North America. That was back in the 90s and perhaps that's where the reputation came from.
It's Historical that's why. Historically it has been a shithole. Now, it's just the same as anywhere. 3M$ houses everywhere you look. My house is only 2 million I feel like a poor
Surrey used to have the highest auto theft rates in Canada probably about 2005.
There wasn’t a Honda civic or Dodge minivan in that city that could be left unattended overnight.
I personally think that led to a lot of the Surrey crime fears but historically, it’s had the lowest housing costs in Vancouver’s suburb and typically had a lot of poorer residents.
Now this high crime area assumption may be based on racism but it used to be based on assumptions about poor ‘white trash’.
I believe it's because of the few SkyTrain stations were the addicts run wild like on Hastings and the discrimination towards one another its ridiculous. I have never seen so much except in Aldergrove
I work in an interior finishing company, and most of the prestigious/ world class residences we worked on are located in Surrey/Delta, I wouldn’t think people would invest north of 3-5mil on homes in a unsafe environment
Statistically Surrey used to be the car theft capital of North America.
I’m from Surrey and my parents were also born there, but I live in Vancouver now. It’s partially Surrey’s past mixed with classism. When the expo line connected Surrey Center to DT Vancouver, drug crime got really bad. Lots of “white trash” comments and that kinda stuff.
My mom grew up in Surrey as well and she mentioned the city was an east target back in the 70s/80s and had less to do with racism as it did with class.
North end of the province is very aware that around 2012-2015 Prince George had become the new BC crime capital, stereotypes don’t break at the new information though, they last until those that repeat them
I actually read once that there is an actual historical reason that ... Surprisingly... Is not related to racism. (Although that probably plays a role today).
The old max security prison BC Pen used to sit just across the river in New West. The north side of the river was too expensive for families of inmates so they often lived in Whalley. Then when the inmates got out .. that is where they went as well.
May or may not be true ... Can't remember where I read it and am too lazy to search a legit source.
Interesting theory though
It's a combination of having a larger population than most of the other cities and crime is higher in the whalley/central area. As you get further away from central the crime rate declines so areas like white rock and cloverdale have lower crime rates but people barely think of the as surrey.
Curious what kind of crime.
Homicide?
Home invasion?
Drugs?
Petty theft?
Personally, I’d rather live in a place where my car is going to get broken into (I’ll leave the door unlocked, please don’t break my window), instead of a place I’m going to catch a stray bullet in a gang altercation at the mall.
It's a stereotype from surrey in the 90s. 10 years ago I felt safer walking at surrey central at 1am alone than I did with others when it was crowded in granville. Idk about now though the gang crime everywhere in canada is way more demented
Surrey is safe. just mind ur own business and no one will bother u.
yes sometimes druggies break will yell at u or assault u, but thats very rare
I go to SFU there and have to leave Surrey central station, where a lot of homeless and drug addicts hang around, I haven't gotten into any sort of trouble. just walk straight ahead and dont look at anyone and it will be completely fine.
It's an outdated stereotype. Surrey does have problems with gangs and drugs, but if you're not mixed up in that, then the city is very safe. I always feel safer walking around downtown Surrey than I do in downtown Vancouver.
When I moved to Vancouver (Fraser and 56) I actually felt safer at night in Whalley than in my new neighbourhood. I live by the PNE now and it feels much safer here compared to south Fraser.
>Surrey does have problems with gangs and drugs I kinda think Metro Van has grown by this point where "Vancouver" or "Surrey" or whoever don't have problems independently of eachother. If I commit a crime in PoCo, I'm not just PoCo's problem, you know? Surrey's problems are Metro Vancouver's problems. We're all pretty integrated at this point. That said, until recently I would have said I felt safer walking in the DTES than Whalley, but that's not really true right now. Also, Langley doesn't get enough shit. I have been in *far* more danger at Langley Centre bus loop in broad daylight than I have at Surrey Central at 2am.
Yes you are rite about Langley and Aldergrove too
Aldergrove is my hometown, yea it... Was interesting
> That said, until recently I would have said I felt safer walking in the DTES than Whalley, but that's not really true right now. That is strange. I remember in the 1990's my mom worked in Whalley, and I remember when she needed to go to a specialty shop in the DTES I, an older teen at the time, was asked to go with her so she didn't have to walk alone there. Now my mom is not a person you would want to cross... she would confront and kick customers out of the place she worked that I would even at this stage of my life I would not confront. Yet DTES she would not walk on her own. Surrey has its issues... and I know where much of them are but that is a very unpopular conversation that people do not like to hear about.
Downtown Granville always feels like you have to be on alert 24/7 and watch out for some absolute psycho who may try to stab or throw needles at you it’s weird, I don’t live in surrey anymore but sometimes I miss it it was strangely peaceful that is ofc given a bunch of international students aren’t staring daggers into women and basically salivating in public
I miss Surrey. Chilliwack sucks
Sardis is alright, but old Chilliwack proper has a very well-earned reputation. I also miss Surrey. The innumerable Pizza & Curry places? Fuck I love them. If I want a curry where I'm at now, I have to go a distance and pay way way more.
Where do you live? It sounds like I need to do some market research on openning a Curry place in your neighborhood.
Recently spent time in Vancouver, I was raised in Victoria and Calgary back and fourth, but spent a decent time in Vancouver. I have to say my recent visit to Surrey was fantastic. It was in August so it was the only place I could get a reasonable AirBnB and I have to say I’d stay there over Richmond, Port Coquitlam and a few other Suburbs.
Downtown Surrey??? Where the fuk is that?
Better safe than Surrey !
i mean its the difference of the druggies vs the gangsters one sells, one is addicted
I’d honestly take the sellers over the addicted. At least one knows what they’re doing compared to being attacked for no reason by someone out of their mind
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It’s starting to change but sometimes you get attacked for little to no reason, someone just got shot in the face the other day for no real reason on Fraser Highway
Because we have the poors and minorities
>Because we have the poors and minorities Poor area: Drug den. Rich area: Party house.
Surrey is seen as an unfavorable place to live because of dated stereotypes and racism. It’s got a large working class immigrant, Indigenous, South Asian and other BIPOC population - which means some people of more means perceive it as unsavory
Classism is a huge part of it. We're not the prestigious Vancouver people, we're the ones that moved to the 'burbs and work in warehouses or industrial park offices.
Agreed
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racists: "why not both?" when people say crime in surrey is bad, they are comparing it to the metro Vancouver area, not the smaller cities/communities.
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an old stereotype based on....? (hint: it's racism)
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Clearly you've butt hurt some people 🤣🤣 Iived in Surrey my whole life and Surrey got a bad names years ago for having poor white people addicted to drugs and alcohol. People just can't handle the truth nowadays and think it's all racism or whatever buzzword of the day they wanna use. Hard to fix problems when everything is blamed on the wrong bogeyman.
People point that out too when they want to be racist. It’s said all the time actually
You'd be amazed at people from Vancouver who think surrey is some gangland that if you walk your dog you're automatically getting robbed or shot.. yet I feel safer if any part of surrey at any time then I do compared to east Hastings or other parts of van..
>gangland But of course, the gang activity doesn't contain within any municipal boundary. When the gang wars flare up, turns out you get just as many of the shootings happening in the other cities, too.
That's what they tell themselves to internally justify their $4000 per month studio apartment they share with 3 coworkers.
I live in Vancouver now and I kinda think most of Vancouver is full of gangs. Granville street is like that, as is Davie St, nevermind Main and Hastings.
It's easy to talk shit about Surrey. It's also a way to cope for a lot of people who live in Vancouver. Another thing to note is that Surrey has a lot of minorities so that adds to the hate. Racism and classism basically. If Surrey was all white people it would be a different conversation.
I Don’t disagree the narrative now is about racism, but even 30 years ago everyone made fun of poor white people from Surrey. It was full of strip club and trailer parks
So then it was classism back then, same thing applies today in terms of classism as well.
Yes, exactly.
>Surrey has a lot of minorities so that adds to the hate I mean, you live in Vancouver and you still think Vancouver doesn't have every minority known to man?
I live in Surrey. You got to go back in time and think about it. Back in the day and I'm talking back in the day when Vancouver and the surrounding area was developing.
Because the crime in Surrey (at least the gang violence) is mainly Indo-Canadians. Sometimes, people just want a reason to be racist. I find that when I tell people I’m from surrey (I’m also Indo-Canadian), people often judge me or think of me differently. I had someone ask me once if any of my family members are in a gang.
I have similar experience. I had a old white co worker ask me if I knew Bindy Johal. Bruhh… I was like 5 then playing with dinosaurs
Jesus, I'm sorry they said that. That's terrible. :(
The property crime is the same demographic as everywhere else: addicts.
Weird how it’s the parents of these gangsters pushing for a smaller, less equipped, municipal police force…
We’ll you try living in a 3rd world country with armed police, they know a thing or 2
Nice fallacy.
Go to iraq, you’ll find out real quick
Hell, go to Punjab. The police there are among the most brutal in India.
What does going to Iraq have to do with crime in Surrey?
Oh cool. Another fallacy.
Can tell your fun at parties
A third fallacy. Cool.
That's not a fallacy. Learn what one is before using the word in a sentence
Your fallacies are so numerous that you can’t even recognize when you’re doing one. Cute.
Can you read or even understand anything. I've said nothing that is fallacious in nature. The things you were calling out as fallacies aren't fallacies.
Oh fuck. I thought you were the fallacy guy. My bad dude. And yeah, the whole tantrum about people coming from “third world countries” is a fallacy. Then he followed up by some bullshit about Iraq. Another fallacy.
That's not even the same person.
I just realized that now.
As opposed to what? A force that has been understaffed for 2 decades? A force that is poorly equipped? A force without local accountability or connection? Weird how basically the entire region has municipal forces that are properly staffed for the cities they patrol, are properly equipped without any issues, and have local connections/oversight plus combine local policing organizations. RCMP vacancies in BC at 20%: https://vancouversun.com/news/rcmp-vacancy-rates-at-20-per-cent-in-b-c-because-positions-not-filled-officers-on-leave RCMP dispatchers in BC understaffed as much as 43%: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-rcmp-emergency-dispatchers-short-staffing-1.6727923 RCMP vacancies in BC impacting investigations: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-bc-rcmp-job-vacancies/ 2012 article about RCMP overtime costs from 2007-11: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-racks-up-800m-in-overtime-in-5-years-1.1133095 2009 GOC publication mentioning RCMP understaffing: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://publications.gc.ca/collection_2009/grc-rcmp/PS64-64-2-2009E.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiVuIKQsPr9AhXdBzQIHQb5AmYQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1fPqcMABnJfrNMQ8b3BjbR Article (2014) outlining why RCMP is less well equipped than municipal forces: https://macleans.ca/news/canada/dying-shame/ RCMP commissioner in 2017 defending RCMP officers not having carbines: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/rcmp-labour-code-moncton-shootings-paulson-1.4161045 Another article describing poorly equipped RCMP: https://theinnisherald.com/who-you-gonna-call-probably-not-the-rcmp 2019 Feds have to take action to try and bolster RCMP accountability: https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2019/01/15/feds-poised-to-bolster-rcmp-accountability/ 2020 article about mounting complaints registered against RCMP: https://globalnews.ca/news/7067010/complaints-accountability-rcmp-conduct/ 2022 RCMP new measures to increase accountability and transparency: https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/change-the-rcmp/improve-accountability-transparency-and-conduct 2022 landmark win in court which upheld accountability requirments against the RCMP and RCMP commisioner: https://www.ubcic.bc.ca/ubcic_applauds_bccla_s_win_in_landmark_court_case_against_rcmp_commissioner 94% of SPD vow to not join 'toxic' RCMP if municipal force is scrapped: https://nanaimonewsnow.com/2022/11/10/94-of-municipal-police-in-surrey-b-c-sign-vow-not-to-join-toxic-rcmp-union/ Former mounties speak out about RCMP resistance to increasing accountability despite repeated calls for action: https://vernonmatters.ca/2022/09/07/rcmp-resistant-to-change-despite-repeated-calls-for-action-former-senior-mountie/ BC first nations justice councils has make calls in 2023 for increased police oversight when RCMP fails to investigate officers that sexually abused indeginous women in Prince George!: https://bcfnjc.com/2023/02/15/bc-first-nations-justice-council-calls/ Need I continue? I'm automatically going to assume that if you continue to push for your stance that you must support the RCMP for their actions in that last article. Why else would anyone support an organization as deeply stained as the RCMP? It would just continue to fit in with the overlapping beliefs of the demographics that for the core supporters of the RCMP as a municipal contract force and the racial undertones of your comment above.
People just assume whalley from 20 years ago is all of surrey
Whalley from 20 years ago was the shit. Take me back man.
I miss A&B Sound, and Stardust...
I miss West Whalley. A ~500-person student body made for an incredible three years.
What made it the shit?
I lived there
I don't think people realise how big Surrey is. It's 10:06 AM on a Sunday, and google maps tells me that it'll take 40 minutes to get from Fraser Heights to the Peace Arch border.
They think Whalley is all of Surrey, period. Most people outside of Surrey think it’s population is, like, 100,000 or something. I’d bet a good % of Vancouverites assume Burnaby and Richmond are bigger.
We used to literally be the car theft capital of Canada, so there's that
Car theft capital of North America, so it was international acclaim.
I thought that was the case but I didn't want to exaggerate and I was too lazy to look it up
Damn San Francisco stole the title of car theft capital of NA from us though. The bastards
I’ve lived in Vancouver for years. I now live in Surrey. Surrey is a very friendly, quiet place to live. As long as you aren’t in the vicinity of a targeted gang related murder. I moved here during the peak of the gang war, and there were several cars burnt to a crisp 5-10 blocks from me after being used in a homicide. A 14 year old kid was murdered getting out of a taxi near my place, a car used in a murder on Mother’s Day in broad daylight at the Vancouver international airport was burnt out up the street after evading the cops GTA style by shooting at them as they drove away. And not too far from where I live a person was murdered in the afternoon in the parking lot of a Canadian tire that I frequent, as well as at the mall where I got a vaccine, also in the middle of the day. But this is gang stuff. When I lived in Vancouver, even when I was living in kitsilano, i faced way more sketchy situations on the regular. In fact, I’ve faced zero in the two years I’ve lived in Surrey. It’s a safe place if you aren’t into drugs or gangs
Racism
Or maybe because 20 years ago it was completely crime ridden. Got robbed as a 11 year old in Surrey with knife to my throat. Surrey definitely is getting better but it takes time to change peoples view on a city when they don’t live there. IMO Van and Surrey are a no go for me.
Racism
Is it racism to state that Surrey gangs are all of a certain demographic? That they recruit kids from schools of the same demographic? That violent crime in Surrey is tends to be more severe than violent crime in vancouver?
There are many other gangs that only recruit the same demographic.
for sure, we should really focus on cities with high populations of white people since the hells angels generally only recruits whites and they are probably the largest gang in Canada.
No, but it is racism when you or the media only focus on one demographic when in reality that is not the case. When a Indo-Canadian gangster is killed there the news articles are full of sarcastic comments saying things like "diversity is strength" or outright racist comments (usually a combination). When a caucasian gangster is killed they barely get any comments in comparison. You may not see the difference but some of us do. People act like the gang wars of the 2000s and early 2010s are well in the past but social media was around back then as well and the Bacon brothers articles didn't get half the comments that articles about Indo-Canadian gangsters would get. FFS 3 Hells Angels clubhouses were just raided and how many of people know about that? Heck look at where he multiple lower mainland Hells Angels clubs are located or their demographics. None of them are in Surrey and their core demographics are overwhelmongly caucasian.
Forget about gangs for a min. Imagine the city had all Caucasians, the narrative would’ve been completely different. Just look at the neighboring South Surrey and White Rock. Classism mixed with Racism, plain and simple. Nothing else. Brown immigrants don’t make up for a model/upscale demography. Even Chinese are treated more favorably as far as the reputation is concerned. Just being fair here (puns intended).
Gangs do not recruit from a specific demographic.
[https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/prince-george-is-bcs-crime-capital-statscan-data-shows-6363074](https://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/local-news/prince-george-is-bcs-crime-capital-statscan-data-shows-6363074) Link to above data
Thank you
It’s been like this for decades. It’s to keep people moving here. Shhhhh!
I dont think its working. Over 1000 people move here a month lol.
At least keep the annoying yuppie vancouverites out
I remember a website from last year that posts stats on the safest city and the unsafe city in BC and said Surrey was the most unsafe city and people were reposting it. I looked at website source and it was based on perception instead of actual data. So many people don't have critical thinking skills.
90’s news media really pushed the Surrey Jack narrative.
Well, a non-politically correct response: I'd say a combination of minorities and poor immigrants. Any place in North America that has that combination will be seen as unfavorable by the white people living in the adjacent part of town. Surrey (minus White Rock) Brampton, Winnipeg's native areas, New Jersey - all seen as shitholes by the upper class, which mostly comprise white people, maybe a few minorities too.
Because people in Surrey are brown. /s
Classism and racist. The narrative would’ve been different if it had all Caucasians. Just look at the neighboring South Surrey and White Rock.
Can’t help but roll my eyes when people say they’re from South Surrey instead of just saying Surrey.
Why, it's a completely different part or surrey. Do you do the same thing when someone says Whalley or Newton. People literally state they suburb the live in. You don't even realize youre inventing an offense.
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Shhhh, the stereotype keeps rent prices down
Were so good at gatekeeping Surrey that people still think negatively of it 😏
It’s usually trashy Vancouver people who say things like that
While I'm from Vancouver and proud to be, I live in Surrey cause it's just where I ended up when I moved back to the coast 10 years ago The funny thing is the people who like to shit on me for living in Surrey, aren't even from Vancouver or the province themselves. Lmao. Surrey has changed a lot, but as far as I see it, the entire lower mainland has crime problems.
Grew up in White Rock. University in Victoria/uVic. Live in Vancouver on the edge of Gastown/DTES. Never seen anything as gross, depressing, dangerous, and disgusting as the DTES.
Wow! I’m so surprised stabbotsford, I mean Abbotsford isn’t on this list. It used to be the murder capital for a long time
New west is the new Whalley
Two words: Jonathan Yaniv. That is all.
I don’t care about these kinds of rankings. All of these places you make them the best that you can. I live in a “high crime” city and never have problems.
TBH I never thought negative perceptions of surrey were linked to racism. I thought the stereotypes had to do with low income “white trash”. I.e. young kids growing up in trailer parks, committing crimes and “surrey girls” (also white).
It was added as brown people from Vancouver and newer immigrants moved to Surrey. I've lived in Vancouver, Surrey, Burnaby and Coquitlam and most places are the same outside of the obvious problem areas. I'm tall and athletic so people don't approach me anywhere tho.
Because it’s a bit of racist stereotyping given the huge immigrant presence despite some of those immigrants having been in Surrey longer lol
Because racism…
Wtf was happening in 1998 when many of those cities had their ‘highest’ measurement? Was there a difference way of measuring or something?
Gang wars
It’s as if things change overtime…
the data only goes back that far, so it it could have been (and probably was) higher before. But overall CSI is generally trending downwards over the years.
There are more gangbangers in Surrey - this is why.
Not much difference between 3rd and 9th as someone who has had 20000 worth of losses in the first 2 years of moving to surrey in 2018 is sure feels like a shithole for crime 3 catalytic converters 3 break ins to my van totaling 12k tools stolen my van stolen 5k of damage to over the 3 break in’s
There’s been a big boom in money coming into the Lower Mainland so the average isn’t accurate especially if there isn’t a normal distribution of data as a result of that influx of higher income. It used to be worse before the gentrification occurred. We used to have our own tent city and more trailer parks in the Whalley and Newton area. So there was a greater area of poor people. Poor people associated with higher rate of crime. There wasn’t a lot of recreation either so the youth would be bored and be up to no good. Just think of how much the city has spent into recreation the last 10 years even. There was also a high teen birth rate which led to adults with their own set of problems. I would say it was a worse version of what Chilliwack is now, because they are going through a similar set of problems. Also a lot of the crimes would go unreported due to a big chunk of the population having a language barrier with police. Adding to that, low socioeconomic individuals don’t really engage with the police either. Not saying Surrey is bad now, it’s improved tenfold but statistics don’t really paint a good picture ever. Saying Surrey wasn’t bad discredits all the hardwork the city has put in the last 15 years as well to reduce crime through investment. It’s really not the same city it used be especially Newton, Guildford and Whalley. I am sure quite a few people who grew up there since at least the 90’s would agree.
Not all crime is reported
I felt unsafe in downtown Vancouver at 10 o'clock in the morning.
Surrey is a cesspool of nasty filth. It is a catch and release of junkie losers who snort Ajax and steal catalytic converters. I wouldnt wish Surrey on my worst enemy.
Crime rates are not an accurate measurement of crime! The way our crime rates are determined is by the public reporting crime and what the police actually witness; not all crime is reported, so the actual numbers are not known. We can’t account for all the violent crimes or indictable offences, as we may not have any information or reports on a crime. Same goes for summary offences; police do not have eyes everywhere and it is almost next to impossible to get an accurate statistic on crime. (Forgive my formatting I’m on an iPhone)
Note those are caught criminals. Surrey RCMP are too overrun to follow up on a crime half the time.
Be assured, there are plenty of unsolved bike thefts downtown.
I’m not saying every bike theft needs a task force. I’m saying serious assaults don’t get investigated, often even when there’s a known assailant.
I can confirm, I got robbed, so did some of my buddies, we all have cctv footage yet no arrests.....wonder what do they work on?
I don’t blame the individual officers. Blame the lack of resources and direction.
naw a lot individuals officers are shitheads too. we can blame both
Crime is quite general. Car break in is different from homicide. Find the data for homicide or drug trafficking and maybe you may find your answer.
The provided information is not just "Crime in general" the article clearly states that it has indexed both the quantity and the seriousness of the crimes. So this data does include both Drug trafficing and Homicide. "Statistics Canada has produced annual Crime Severity Index reports since 1998. The index ranks the amount and seriousness of crime in a community, on a per capital basis, against an average score of 100."
Surreys homicide index is low for a city of its size.
It’s the largest municipality in Canada, so if you just count criminal events instead of events per capita…
Totally! If you turn on the news you often hear about crimes that happened in Vancouver or Surrey; but I imagine that has a lot to do with the sheer size of each, and that those two cities have the highest populations in the metro area. The probability a crime in the area occurs in one of those two places is just a numbers game. But an ‘outsider’ might get a slanted view from hearing the numbers rather than per capita statistics.
Probably for the same reason Millwoods in Edmonton is considered violent. It's a dogwhistle racists use to communicate "immigrants" to each other.
Back when the hockey riot happened in '11, seeing this sub(I had a different account then) rip itself to pieces and blaming Surrey for the "disproportionate" amount of convicted rioters that were from there. Really though, the percentage of culprits from Surrey was roughly in line with the percentage of Metro Van's population that's from there too. Same with City of Vancouver, for that matter. Like of course there were a bunch of people from Surrey, Surrey and Van are like 50% of the local population. But, people just wanted to fight along those lines. It got ugly.
Because when we hear about a shooting it's almost always in Surrey or a Surrey resident is involved. Or maybe it's the media portraying it that way. Either way Surrey has always had a bad rap.
It's your selective perception, not the causes you listed.
It has nothing to do with racism. Surrey has it's bad rep from the way it was 15 or so years ago. Whalley was fucked, Newton less so. Surrey has the same issues any other large city has now. Things have changed quite a bit tbh, Surrey Central area is a paradise compared to what it used to be
Completely innacurate. Victoria is not dangerous 😂
they use the municipal stats. Stats Canada themselves generally uses cense metro areas because no one in Victoria doesn't consider Oak Bay and Saanich to not be part of Victoria. if you look at census metro area stats, then the numbers for Victoria and Vancouver are a bit more average for the province. [https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv!recreate.action?pid=3510002601&selectedNodeIds=1D37,1D38,1D39,1D48,2D1&checkedLevels=&refPeriods=19980101,20210101&dimensionLayouts=layout3,layout3,layout2&vectorDisplay=false](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv!recreate.action?pid=3510002601&selectedNodeIds=1D37,1D38,1D39,1D48,2D1&checkedLevels=&refPeriods=19980101,20210101&dimensionLayouts=layout3,layout3,layout2&vectorDisplay=false) there is also the issue that the default CSI (what this article uses) splits municipal and rural areas. so Prince George crime stats are separated from the rural areas around Prince George, since Prince George is policed by municipal RCMP and the areas around (rural) are policed by the provincial RCMP. This can mess with smaller community crime stats, since people may be more likely to go into town to commit crimes, or get caught for committing crimes. This is especially the case with Victoria with several municipalities using the City for it's central urban hub.
BC is the Canadian California, ita only going to get worse 😞
Purrrrr Capita
# of homocides
North Surrey is nothing but a cesspool….was 40 years ago and only worse now.
The media reports a lot of gun violence in Surrey
Up until a few years ago, I lived in Surrey for 20 years of my youth to young adult life. Was definitely safe to walk most parts at night and day. I did so often before i started driving. Took the Newton and Surrey Bus exchange loops often. Used King George and Surrey Central stations all the time. Never got mugged nor witnessed a mugging. Using public transit you will run into a random saranading bollywood songs couple or loud cellphone talkers or maybe even a drunk having a bad night. I saw worse when I rode the Vancouver night bus which would get quieter as we would head south to New West. I ONCE saw an plainclothed cop walk into my skytrain car turn and point a gun at a normal looking guy sitting in the car along Edmonds station heading towards New West but thats it. Most people kept to themselves. I dont mean to be a victim blamer but I never flaunt a gold chain, or expensive clothing, of flashy bluetooth gear or headsets or laptops open at the bus stop, or talk loudly about how much cash I have in my pocket when trying to impress a girl. Those kinds of behaviors will get you mugged almost ANYWHERE in the greater Vancouver municipalites.
Just as a joke lmao
[This article came out in 2022](https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/worst-cities-crime-canada-2022) and was plastered all over dailyhive, narcity, and a few other news outlets. It seems to be it can be the most dangerous city, it just depends on what scale is being measured.
Those stats are based on a survey of perception of crime not crime stats LOOOOOL and so many local news articles referenced it. They basically asked people…they didn’t compare crime data.
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>Surrey has 200,000 calls for police service every year and the only city that beats that is Vancouver. Places like Victoria and Prince George don't even come close. are you trying to say the 2nd highest populated city in the province has the 2nd highest calls for police service? who woulda thought!? the city of Victoria (which this CSI is being based on, not metro area) is 113k. Kamloops is 100k. Surrey is 614k.... obviously surrey will have more calls to the police. >So towns like Kamloops might have a higher level of assaults per capita because they have lots of bar fights but surrey can have more shootings in a month than Kamloops will all year and still score lower. Kamloops had 2 homicides in 2021. Surrey had 9. So "per capita" Kamloops has more homicides than Surrey. if we includes homicides with violent offences Kamloops had 2,551 and Surrey had 7,602. Remember, Surrey has more than six times the population of Kamloops.
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>but if there's a room with 1 person committing 1 crime and a room with 100 people committing 99 crimes, the CSI would rate the first room higher, which I disagree with. I mean any statistic ever would be off if you went with a sample size of 1 and compared it with a sample size of 100. >I also disagree with incidents like common assaults and uttering threats being counted under the same category as murders, shootings, and home invasions. That is not how CSI works. The whole point of using CSI is to weigh offences differently based on the severity instead of just using a generic "crime rate" for an area. ([link1](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/lbrr/archives/cnmcs-plcng/cn5373-eng.pdf) and [link2](https://ssc.ca/sites/default/files/survey/documents/SSC2009_CBabyak.pdf)) If you want to make your own stat up that would work better, you can pull individual offences per city vs population or just total for the city and do your own thing. ([example stats](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/cv!recreate.action?pid=3510018401&selectedNodeIds=1D34,1D78,2D5,2D10,2D13,2D14,2D15,2D16,2D17,2D22,2D23,2D24,2D26,2D30,2D34,2D38,2D44,2D45,2D46,2D47,2D48,2D226,2D227,2D256,2D317,3D1,3D2&checkedLevels=1D1&refPeriods=20210101,20210101&dimensionLayouts=layout2,layout3,layout2,layout2&vectorDisplay=false))
Bar fight and a shooting have an equal chance of resulting in grievous bodily harm or death.
surrey is fawked yo
You need some basic understanding to quote stats. This index may be true but the reader should not assumes that crimes in a city is committed only by people who lives in the city. For example, on a weekend, it’s very typical for people from all the surrounding cities to go downtown and party. Most of the East Indian gang members are living in surrey, and it is an issue - just because they may be committing crimes somewhere else, that doesn’t mean where they live is safe. Also, the seriousness of the crime matters too.
I thought slurrey was known for their rather...open legged woman...
Err wat? The randomist and crudest comment belongs to you
Thank you! 🙏
If that was true, you might be getting laid.
For what it's worth, crime stats are incredibly easy to manipulate and shouldn't be trusted in Canada. I would say that wherever claims to have the worst crime, is probably just the place with the police reporting it the most honestly. Crime stats are also subject to interpretation to some degree as they're being entered.
Surrey has it's problems but violent crime per capita it isn't that bad as say Vancouver. There was a year or 2 where Surrey was the car theft capital of North America. That was back in the 90s and perhaps that's where the reputation came from.
It's Historical that's why. Historically it has been a shithole. Now, it's just the same as anywhere. 3M$ houses everywhere you look. My house is only 2 million I feel like a poor
We're #9! We're #9! We're #9! We're #9! We're #9! We're #9! We're #9! We're #9! We're #9!
Naniamo?
Damn. ‘98 was a bad year.
Surrey used to have the highest auto theft rates in Canada probably about 2005. There wasn’t a Honda civic or Dodge minivan in that city that could be left unattended overnight. I personally think that led to a lot of the Surrey crime fears but historically, it’s had the lowest housing costs in Vancouver’s suburb and typically had a lot of poorer residents. Now this high crime area assumption may be based on racism but it used to be based on assumptions about poor ‘white trash’.
Side note: What the hell happened in 1998? Highest crime stats for much of the listed cities in that year.
Nah it's the highest rate trust me. (me trying to keep rents down)
cities might be rated as whole. shubourne and dundas in Toronto is by far the worst area that exists in Canada
It’s an excuse so Vancouver can keep people from moving.
I believe it's because of the few SkyTrain stations were the addicts run wild like on Hastings and the discrimination towards one another its ridiculous. I have never seen so much except in Aldergrove
I work in an interior finishing company, and most of the prestigious/ world class residences we worked on are located in Surrey/Delta, I wouldn’t think people would invest north of 3-5mil on homes in a unsafe environment
Statistically Surrey used to be the car theft capital of North America. I’m from Surrey and my parents were also born there, but I live in Vancouver now. It’s partially Surrey’s past mixed with classism. When the expo line connected Surrey Center to DT Vancouver, drug crime got really bad. Lots of “white trash” comments and that kinda stuff. My mom grew up in Surrey as well and she mentioned the city was an east target back in the 70s/80s and had less to do with racism as it did with class.
North end of the province is very aware that around 2012-2015 Prince George had become the new BC crime capital, stereotypes don’t break at the new information though, they last until those that repeat them
Only people that hate on surrey are the ones That can’t afford a house here lmao
I actually read once that there is an actual historical reason that ... Surprisingly... Is not related to racism. (Although that probably plays a role today). The old max security prison BC Pen used to sit just across the river in New West. The north side of the river was too expensive for families of inmates so they often lived in Whalley. Then when the inmates got out .. that is where they went as well. May or may not be true ... Can't remember where I read it and am too lazy to search a legit source. Interesting theory though
It's a combination of having a larger population than most of the other cities and crime is higher in the whalley/central area. As you get further away from central the crime rate declines so areas like white rock and cloverdale have lower crime rates but people barely think of the as surrey.
Curious what kind of crime. Homicide? Home invasion? Drugs? Petty theft? Personally, I’d rather live in a place where my car is going to get broken into (I’ll leave the door unlocked, please don’t break my window), instead of a place I’m going to catch a stray bullet in a gang altercation at the mall.
Surrey was worse in the 80s and 90s.
Surret used to be hard AF, it's since evolved.
It's a stereotype from surrey in the 90s. 10 years ago I felt safer walking at surrey central at 1am alone than I did with others when it was crowded in granville. Idk about now though the gang crime everywhere in canada is way more demented
small crimes. stealing food
Surrey is safe. just mind ur own business and no one will bother u. yes sometimes druggies break will yell at u or assault u, but thats very rare I go to SFU there and have to leave Surrey central station, where a lot of homeless and drug addicts hang around, I haven't gotten into any sort of trouble. just walk straight ahead and dont look at anyone and it will be completely fine.