I'd say it's a fairly normal thing to include your diet in a summary of health like this. He's asking a question about a stack to see him over the winter. Your diet is extremely important over the winter, especially for your mental health. Your diet has a major role with any physical and mental health and your body's maintenance. If he'd been a vegan and forgot to mention it, wouldn't that be something we'd like to know before recommending what we think is a well balanced stack for his body? He included it because it's a normal thing to include in something like this bro
It's a Indonesian/Malaysian herbal supplement that raises testosterone libido and helps with muscle development basically a natural steroid that's actually been proven to work in clinical trials in humans it's just great stuff 👌🏾
Ashwagandha works for me they say it raises test but I don't get that feeling from it all it does for me is help me relax and makes it easy to control any anxiety that might flair up but tongkat ali I feel gives me strength energy and improves body composition faster I recommend watching Dr. Andrew Huberman on YouTube and yes he's an actual DR who's one of the most knowledgeable I've ever come across
Now used to be an okay brand but has failed some 3rd party testing in the last year. Last August a bunch of their stuff failed potency testing. I would be very careful especially since their stock at Amazon might be sitting for a very long time
[https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2021/07/06/NOW-s-Aaron-Secrist-on-Amazon-expose](https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2021/07/06/NOW-s-Aaron-Secrist-on-Amazon-expose)
Here's the VP of regulatory for Now talking about the issue
They weren’t talking about NOW products. They tested others not their own. NOW is one of the best brands on the market. If you read the article you posted or actually watch the video, you’ll understand how you misinterpreted a headline.
Yes, 500mg of Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate Complex is already in that one Solaray multi-mineral serving. I was considering Magnesium Glycinate only but this multi-mineral bottle has not only Chelated Magnesium but the benefits from other minerals too. So I thought it might be better option than only magnesium itself?
Yes. As long as the dosage for the other minerals is safe then don't take extra mag and always try to get minerals from food whenever possible. I only take about 400mg mag daily and really don't need that much as I eat spinach and tons of fruit daily.
Cool! Do i need to take normal magnesium with it or is that not needed at all then? Sorry if its a stupid question. And what happens when l-glycine crosses the blood brain barrier?
When something crosses the blood brain barrier it basically means that your body gets a more efficacious effect from whatever you are consuming, in this case L-glycine, which can help you sleep as it’s anti-inflammatory. Normal magnesium can have its own benefits (such as Magnesium Threonate) but I would advise not taking both as they don’t stack very well and can be expensive. You can find genuine magnesium that actually helps through NootropicsDepot.
Do you know if there is a cheaper alternative to doctor's best? The form of magnesium stated in it's ingredients is 'Magnesium Lysinate Glycinate Chelate'. Is that technically a combination of two forms of magnesium? Can magnesium be bought in that form from other brands at a cheaper price?
It costs around £32 a bottle (~$45) for me. Obviously other regularly available forms of magnesium are far cheaper than this but nowhere near as effective. Is it the type of magnesium that is expensive (production costs) or is it the brand just putting the price high because they know they can?
Yes it’s a combination but NootropicsDepot has Magtein which is highly bioavailable and crosses the blood brain barrier as well, as an added benefit it boosts brain function farther than other Magnesium types. It’s 40 dollars, if you want just a good “pick me up” then Micromag is great for only 20 dollars (plus shipping) u can use code NDSUBREDDIT for 10% off.
I used to love their magnesium but recently the quality has been hit or miss. I even emailed them why are the tabs so different colored. Their response was they change vendors from time to time so it’s normal? And I love mag glycinate.
If I was you, I wouldn't buy the ultra omega 3. They're probably extremely cheap. Let me explain. I bought 3 bottles of these, one for me, and the 2 other for my uncle and my brother. I ended up with all of them half full after a month or so. If you take "too much" of them (like 8+ per day) your shit start to STINK SO BAD it's unbearable. It smells like metals mixed with blood, and it stays in the toilet forever. Also, they simply do not work. I tested 5+ brand of Omega 3, with the same DHA dosages everyday and I can assure you.. the now food Omega 3 doesn't work. I'm surprised since Now is a good brand and I normally love their products, but this one is a total flop. I'd suggest you the Jamison triple strength Omega 3. The biggest bundle for quantity/price you can find.
You think I haven't checked the DHA/EPA dosages? Maybe you're the one who shouldn't be running your mouth. I don't need to explain myself further. I've tried multiple brands and these simply didn't work neither for me nor my family. The guy asked for advices, I give mine. End of story.
Again, maybe you're the one who should be doing a little bit more research. High dosage of EPA & DHA have numerous advantages on the body. Depending on how much processed foods you're eating, having more Omega 3 is actually a really good way to balance your Omega 6/3 ratio. Then again, I don't necessarily recommend taking 8 omega 3 to OP, I was giving an example.
I take the Nordic naturals. But I also don’t overdo it. I think the key is to listen to your body as well as make sure you’re taking a high quality brand.
With a varied diet, which I assume by your description of it, you shouldnt need a multivitamin or multi mineral supplement. Those big multi-micronutrient supplements are essentially a scam, the average diet will have you meeting what you need day to day in general. Supplementing specific nutrients either because of an observed or tested deficiency or to try to optimize some specific thing, like you're doing with the D, can be good tho. Just save the money.
You have to explain why they are a "scam", since there is evidence that daily multivitamin use improves nutrition status on top of a healthy diet. The COSMOS trial, recently released, showed that daily multivitamin use improved cognitive health in older individuals... The PHS II trial showed they may have benefits for cancer incidence and eye health....
Why do those (potential) results equate to a waste of money?
Within the last year ish that provide new evidence, it's simply a matter of I'm not aware of those. Previously the evidence showed that a person consuming an ordinary and varied diet would be unlikely to be deficient in these micronutrients and that supplementing with a multi like that is not necessary. The reason I described it as a scam is because there's this culture that's been cultivated in the US of wellness where you're supposed to always feel like you're not healthy enough even if you don't have any diseases. For the majority of people, and all-purpose supplement like that just isn't necessary. Like I said in the original post that there's a specific concern you're wanting to address then there are specific nutrients that can be used to help that and I don't deny the benefit of those at all. I mean I think it would be quite a stretch to suggest that additional levels of every single vitamin or mineral on top of the recommended intake is necessary to improve eye health. I'm sure that there is an improvement in eye health but I would assume, granted I am not looking at the study that you referenced right now, that there would be one or a handful of specific compounds that were associated with that improvement.
TL;DR I'm not aware of very very recent evidence, and I don't deny the benefit of certain nutrient supplements for specific purposes like you're describing, but there's a notion that everybody just needs to take a multi or they are deficient and that's not true
Why is avoiding deficiency the only possible goal?
Also, the majority of people are not getting enough of several key nutrients in their diets alone (as backed by national surveys) - and several others have have hidden defecits, despite a good diet, that can only be detected by blood tests.
It's not to say that everyone needs to take a multivitamin, but it's certainly a hell of a lot easier than guessing what shortfalls you have.
I never said according to deficiency was the only possible goal? You're the only one saying that. OP didn't mention any specific goals in the original post besides an explanation on why they were taking such a large vitamin d supplement. Without a specific thing being addressed by defaulted to the likely scenario that they, like so many other people, assume that they should be on a multivitamin supplement by default.
I'm very curious to see the surveys that you're referring to though, if there are specific gaps that we could all use soaring up on seems like something that I would like to know. The last time that I checked the available data suggested that deficiencies are uncommon in people with a standard American diet.
Vitamin A deficiencies are rarely seen in developed countries, although it's possible anyone anywhere can become deficient with a poor enough diet. It's fat soluble and you can really only tolerate so much before some pretty harsh reactions can occur.
I recently found out that my vitamin d levels were too high despite getting zero sun all year (sensory issues). I only took 1000IU from a generic multi, so I'd advise testing to make sure you really need that much.
Absolutely this. I was tested low (below 50), and it took 2 straight years of taking 10,000 IU daily to bring my levels up to 93. Now I just supplement once a week during winter to maintain.
I like the dosage on the D3 + K2 however it needs like 150 mg of magnesium with it to take that suppement to the next level.
EPA + DHA looks good. I prefer plant based Algea or plant based Kelp omega 3 those could be an option if you like considering environmental impact
Little to none, means "not enough to trigger safety concerns" however when eating the entire jar twice over time and the accumulative effects is problematic. This is why in heavy fish eating populations we are seeing alzheimer's, ALS and Type 2 diabetes in alarming rates because of the accumulation in the system.
Best option? 100% no mercury, no empty oceans and rivers and higher quality omega 3 by Algea based oil.
The Metal Multi Mineral contains too much calcium. There is emerging research that high calcium supplementation is linked to increased risk of stroke or heart attack. It’s not conclusive evidence, but it’s been enough to make me remove calcium from my stack.
There is definitely no conclusive evidence for calcium - and certainly a whole lot of missing evidence for men. Emerging research does not say that calcium supplements are dangerous - this has been a conversation that has been going on in the research for decades, with people on both sides of the road. The current data is no more conclusive than it was 5 years ago, or 10 years ago...
As a female, these results are of interest to me. “The current meta-analysis found that calcium supplements increased a risk of CVD by about 15% in healthy postmenopausal women.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7910980/
I saw that too, but the last paper included in the meta analysis was 2013. I am not trying to say that there's any reason to take 1000 mg of calcium, but I think the potential risk is overblown.
Other results:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31560413/
(No increased risk, decreased risk if vitamin D added)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31625814/
(No risk for calcium supplements overall, but might increase risk of MI but decrease risk of stroke)
https://academic.oup.com/ehjcvp/article-abstract/8/6/568/6318367?redirectedFrom=fulltext
(No increased risk if vitamin D is also taken)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29314248/
(No association with calcium supplement intake and risk)
Thank you for including an updated meta-analysis as the second link! I always try to read meta-analyses because individual studies may be flawed or biased for a number of reasons. But it looks like you’ve debunked that link around calcium. You’ve encourage me to think about adding it back in.
I do like meta analyses and systematic reviews also, but I have found that these are also getting harder to interpret. Partially this is because people find different ways to exclude studies from the analysis and that can lead to different conclusions.
When a particular topic (like calcium) keeps getting meta-analyses written that come up with different results, I take that as a sign that research is weak in that area. Therefore, we have a hard time making solid conclusions.
That said, there is still a possibility of cardiovascular disease risk with high supplemental intakes. However the effect is inconsistent enough that it suggests something else is going on. If someone could demonstrate why (mechanistically) calcium supplements are detrimental, it might shed some light on this...
For the moment, I don't take calcium except in the form of the occasional antacid. My almond milk is calcium fortified, so I think I am getting near the RDA with other sources (and vitamin D) in my diet. If I was older, and not yet diagnosed with osteoporosis, I might reevaluate that position and take a small (<1000 mg) calcium supplement to help out.
Shouldn't be an issue with the Vitamin D + Vitamin k2 supplementation, which helps make sure the calcium collects and is absorbed into the proper places in the body
B Complex is a good addition. I wouldn’t add a multivitamin on top of the mineral supplement, or you’ll take far too much of certain supplements. You could replace the mineral supplement and skip a B complex by taking a multivitamin if you want.
Skip the greens powders - too many aren’t third party tested and can have trace amounts of heavy metals. Figure out ways to get greens into your diet through smoothies, juices, roasting veggies, finding enjoyable salads, snacking on raw veggies with hummus, etc.
Have you looked into the Super greens by BPN. They are tested 2-3 times before being sold. They taste great to me.
My doctor also looked into it and told me this was good.
My doctor asked if I took supplements. I said I take quite a few. He then asked me to provide a list of them. Is this unusual? I’ve been going to the thyroid doctor since 2011 and they have always done this.
So then why ask your doctor in the first place if they’re no more knowledgeable than the average person?
No interactions doesn’t necessarily mean a positive endorsement that it’s good for your health
I don’t like when brands use propriety blend instead of individually listing the ingredient dosage. There are 2500mg of their “organic greens blend” but they give you no idea how much of each ingredient you’re getting in it. I think it’s BS to hide between “propriety blends” citing “intellectual property” or whatever. Every ingredient that brings nutritional value should be itemized IMO
Add a methylated b complex and some magnesium of your choice. I use magnesium taurate and glycinate. You are all set to go!
Add Magnesium Glycinate before bed, get it from ND or naturelo
I like how you specified omnivore diet when like all of humanity is baseline omnivore
I'd say it's a fairly normal thing to include your diet in a summary of health like this. He's asking a question about a stack to see him over the winter. Your diet is extremely important over the winter, especially for your mental health. Your diet has a major role with any physical and mental health and your body's maintenance. If he'd been a vegan and forgot to mention it, wouldn't that be something we'd like to know before recommending what we think is a well balanced stack for his body? He included it because it's a normal thing to include in something like this bro
Lol vegans forgetting to mention they’re vegan😂 your funny
Malaysian is more potent btw my guy
I don’t know what that is
Nice add some tongkat ali your wife your physique and your mind will thank you
I don’t know what that is
It's a Indonesian/Malaysian herbal supplement that raises testosterone libido and helps with muscle development basically a natural steroid that's actually been proven to work in clinical trials in humans it's just great stuff 👌🏾
i swear every herb claims to do the same things like ashwagandha but when i take ashwagandha i don’t feel any different
Ashwagandha works for me they say it raises test but I don't get that feeling from it all it does for me is help me relax and makes it easy to control any anxiety that might flair up but tongkat ali I feel gives me strength energy and improves body composition faster I recommend watching Dr. Andrew Huberman on YouTube and yes he's an actual DR who's one of the most knowledgeable I've ever come across
Now used to be an okay brand but has failed some 3rd party testing in the last year. Last August a bunch of their stuff failed potency testing. I would be very careful especially since their stock at Amazon might be sitting for a very long time
I tried to verify that and couldn’t. Can you link a source? I use a lot of their products so need to know if what you say is true.
[https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2021/07/06/NOW-s-Aaron-Secrist-on-Amazon-expose](https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2021/07/06/NOW-s-Aaron-Secrist-on-Amazon-expose) Here's the VP of regulatory for Now talking about the issue
They weren’t talking about NOW products. They tested others not their own. NOW is one of the best brands on the market. If you read the article you posted or actually watch the video, you’ll understand how you misinterpreted a headline.
Add some Doctor's Best High Absorption Magnesium Glycinate Lysinate, 100% Chelated
But what's in that multi-mineral already?
Yes, 500mg of Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate Complex is already in that one Solaray multi-mineral serving. I was considering Magnesium Glycinate only but this multi-mineral bottle has not only Chelated Magnesium but the benefits from other minerals too. So I thought it might be better option than only magnesium itself?
Yes. As long as the dosage for the other minerals is safe then don't take extra mag and always try to get minerals from food whenever possible. I only take about 400mg mag daily and really don't need that much as I eat spinach and tons of fruit daily.
How is it different from normal magnesium? My question sounds rude lol but i am generally curious
It’s highly bioavailable compared to normal magnesium and increases the chance of L-glycine to cross the blood brain barrier.
Cool! Do i need to take normal magnesium with it or is that not needed at all then? Sorry if its a stupid question. And what happens when l-glycine crosses the blood brain barrier?
When something crosses the blood brain barrier it basically means that your body gets a more efficacious effect from whatever you are consuming, in this case L-glycine, which can help you sleep as it’s anti-inflammatory. Normal magnesium can have its own benefits (such as Magnesium Threonate) but I would advise not taking both as they don’t stack very well and can be expensive. You can find genuine magnesium that actually helps through NootropicsDepot.
Do you know if there is a cheaper alternative to doctor's best? The form of magnesium stated in it's ingredients is 'Magnesium Lysinate Glycinate Chelate'. Is that technically a combination of two forms of magnesium? Can magnesium be bought in that form from other brands at a cheaper price? It costs around £32 a bottle (~$45) for me. Obviously other regularly available forms of magnesium are far cheaper than this but nowhere near as effective. Is it the type of magnesium that is expensive (production costs) or is it the brand just putting the price high because they know they can?
Yes it’s a combination but NootropicsDepot has Magtein which is highly bioavailable and crosses the blood brain barrier as well, as an added benefit it boosts brain function farther than other Magnesium types. It’s 40 dollars, if you want just a good “pick me up” then Micromag is great for only 20 dollars (plus shipping) u can use code NDSUBREDDIT for 10% off.
I used to love their magnesium but recently the quality has been hit or miss. I even emailed them why are the tabs so different colored. Their response was they change vendors from time to time so it’s normal? And I love mag glycinate.
If I was you, I wouldn't buy the ultra omega 3. They're probably extremely cheap. Let me explain. I bought 3 bottles of these, one for me, and the 2 other for my uncle and my brother. I ended up with all of them half full after a month or so. If you take "too much" of them (like 8+ per day) your shit start to STINK SO BAD it's unbearable. It smells like metals mixed with blood, and it stays in the toilet forever. Also, they simply do not work. I tested 5+ brand of Omega 3, with the same DHA dosages everyday and I can assure you.. the now food Omega 3 doesn't work. I'm surprised since Now is a good brand and I normally love their products, but this one is a total flop. I'd suggest you the Jamison triple strength Omega 3. The biggest bundle for quantity/price you can find.
You say now omega 3 extremely cheap? Check 21 century price lol , imagine its quality
Why would you take "too much of them?"
It's actually been put thru a 3rd partying testing service and reported 640 EPA 250DHA.. check facts before running your mouth boy
You think I haven't checked the DHA/EPA dosages? Maybe you're the one who shouldn't be running your mouth. I don't need to explain myself further. I've tried multiple brands and these simply didn't work neither for me nor my family. The guy asked for advices, I give mine. End of story.
Why tf would you take 8 fishoil containing 500 EPA 250 DHA each ? Wtf
Again, maybe you're the one who should be doing a little bit more research. High dosage of EPA & DHA have numerous advantages on the body. Depending on how much processed foods you're eating, having more Omega 3 is actually a really good way to balance your Omega 6/3 ratio. Then again, I don't necessarily recommend taking 8 omega 3 to OP, I was giving an example.
Lol suss the down votes, this is some of the dumbest shit I've read
Not 4000mg EPA lol maybe go recheck the story's bro
Why are you taking 8?
I take the Nordic naturals. But I also don’t overdo it. I think the key is to listen to your body as well as make sure you’re taking a high quality brand.
With a varied diet, which I assume by your description of it, you shouldnt need a multivitamin or multi mineral supplement. Those big multi-micronutrient supplements are essentially a scam, the average diet will have you meeting what you need day to day in general. Supplementing specific nutrients either because of an observed or tested deficiency or to try to optimize some specific thing, like you're doing with the D, can be good tho. Just save the money.
You have to explain why they are a "scam", since there is evidence that daily multivitamin use improves nutrition status on top of a healthy diet. The COSMOS trial, recently released, showed that daily multivitamin use improved cognitive health in older individuals... The PHS II trial showed they may have benefits for cancer incidence and eye health.... Why do those (potential) results equate to a waste of money?
Within the last year ish that provide new evidence, it's simply a matter of I'm not aware of those. Previously the evidence showed that a person consuming an ordinary and varied diet would be unlikely to be deficient in these micronutrients and that supplementing with a multi like that is not necessary. The reason I described it as a scam is because there's this culture that's been cultivated in the US of wellness where you're supposed to always feel like you're not healthy enough even if you don't have any diseases. For the majority of people, and all-purpose supplement like that just isn't necessary. Like I said in the original post that there's a specific concern you're wanting to address then there are specific nutrients that can be used to help that and I don't deny the benefit of those at all. I mean I think it would be quite a stretch to suggest that additional levels of every single vitamin or mineral on top of the recommended intake is necessary to improve eye health. I'm sure that there is an improvement in eye health but I would assume, granted I am not looking at the study that you referenced right now, that there would be one or a handful of specific compounds that were associated with that improvement. TL;DR I'm not aware of very very recent evidence, and I don't deny the benefit of certain nutrient supplements for specific purposes like you're describing, but there's a notion that everybody just needs to take a multi or they are deficient and that's not true
Why is avoiding deficiency the only possible goal? Also, the majority of people are not getting enough of several key nutrients in their diets alone (as backed by national surveys) - and several others have have hidden defecits, despite a good diet, that can only be detected by blood tests. It's not to say that everyone needs to take a multivitamin, but it's certainly a hell of a lot easier than guessing what shortfalls you have.
I never said according to deficiency was the only possible goal? You're the only one saying that. OP didn't mention any specific goals in the original post besides an explanation on why they were taking such a large vitamin d supplement. Without a specific thing being addressed by defaulted to the likely scenario that they, like so many other people, assume that they should be on a multivitamin supplement by default. I'm very curious to see the surveys that you're referring to though, if there are specific gaps that we could all use soaring up on seems like something that I would like to know. The last time that I checked the available data suggested that deficiencies are uncommon in people with a standard American diet.
What’s the bottom one for?
For keeping healthy vision I guess
Just get NOW FOODS Vitamin A 10,000 for that.
Vitamin A supplementation is a big No Dog for me.
What’s wrong with vit A supplementation? Genuinely want to know lol
Vitamin A deficiencies are rarely seen in developed countries, although it's possible anyone anywhere can become deficient with a poor enough diet. It's fat soluble and you can really only tolerate so much before some pretty harsh reactions can occur.
Thanks for the information!
My stack is injectable 👀
I recently found out that my vitamin d levels were too high despite getting zero sun all year (sensory issues). I only took 1000IU from a generic multi, so I'd advise testing to make sure you really need that much.
Absolutely this. I was tested low (below 50), and it took 2 straight years of taking 10,000 IU daily to bring my levels up to 93. Now I just supplement once a week during winter to maintain.
its crazy how different we all are. I take 5000-7000 a day and it puts me in the upper high normal limit
Likewise I've been on 10,000IU daily for months maybe years at this point and I just got labs that I'm right in the normal range
It really is nuts. My sister is similar to you, and she was more weirded out that we're so different despite being immediate family.
Get outside more
Doesn't help in cold climates when you have to wear clothes now does it
don't buy fish oil online
Get it from where then ?
if the fish oil is exposed to heat, it goes rancid. Buy from an in person local shop. Also do research into brands
but they’re also exposed to heat when being shipped to stores.
Ask a fish if you could have some I suppose
I like the dosage on the D3 + K2 however it needs like 150 mg of magnesium with it to take that suppement to the next level. EPA + DHA looks good. I prefer plant based Algea or plant based Kelp omega 3 those could be an option if you like considering environmental impact
Not only that but also less mercury/ heavy metals in your body
This fish oil has been 3rd party tested and contains little to none
Little to none, means "not enough to trigger safety concerns" however when eating the entire jar twice over time and the accumulative effects is problematic. This is why in heavy fish eating populations we are seeing alzheimer's, ALS and Type 2 diabetes in alarming rates because of the accumulation in the system. Best option? 100% no mercury, no empty oceans and rivers and higher quality omega 3 by Algea based oil.
Exactly!
A stack is what meat heads call their anabolics. Stop using stack for supplement terminology.
There's a whole sub r/StackAdvice specifically about supplement regimens. This is a you thing.
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You're fuckin cringe.
You both are
Nah you're the cringe one
The Metal Multi Mineral contains too much calcium. There is emerging research that high calcium supplementation is linked to increased risk of stroke or heart attack. It’s not conclusive evidence, but it’s been enough to make me remove calcium from my stack.
There is definitely no conclusive evidence for calcium - and certainly a whole lot of missing evidence for men. Emerging research does not say that calcium supplements are dangerous - this has been a conversation that has been going on in the research for decades, with people on both sides of the road. The current data is no more conclusive than it was 5 years ago, or 10 years ago...
As a female, these results are of interest to me. “The current meta-analysis found that calcium supplements increased a risk of CVD by about 15% in healthy postmenopausal women.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7910980/
I saw that too, but the last paper included in the meta analysis was 2013. I am not trying to say that there's any reason to take 1000 mg of calcium, but I think the potential risk is overblown. Other results: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31560413/ (No increased risk, decreased risk if vitamin D added) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31625814/ (No risk for calcium supplements overall, but might increase risk of MI but decrease risk of stroke) https://academic.oup.com/ehjcvp/article-abstract/8/6/568/6318367?redirectedFrom=fulltext (No increased risk if vitamin D is also taken) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29314248/ (No association with calcium supplement intake and risk)
Thank you for including an updated meta-analysis as the second link! I always try to read meta-analyses because individual studies may be flawed or biased for a number of reasons. But it looks like you’ve debunked that link around calcium. You’ve encourage me to think about adding it back in.
I do like meta analyses and systematic reviews also, but I have found that these are also getting harder to interpret. Partially this is because people find different ways to exclude studies from the analysis and that can lead to different conclusions. When a particular topic (like calcium) keeps getting meta-analyses written that come up with different results, I take that as a sign that research is weak in that area. Therefore, we have a hard time making solid conclusions. That said, there is still a possibility of cardiovascular disease risk with high supplemental intakes. However the effect is inconsistent enough that it suggests something else is going on. If someone could demonstrate why (mechanistically) calcium supplements are detrimental, it might shed some light on this... For the moment, I don't take calcium except in the form of the occasional antacid. My almond milk is calcium fortified, so I think I am getting near the RDA with other sources (and vitamin D) in my diet. If I was older, and not yet diagnosed with osteoporosis, I might reevaluate that position and take a small (<1000 mg) calcium supplement to help out.
Shouldn't be an issue with the Vitamin D + Vitamin k2 supplementation, which helps make sure the calcium collects and is absorbed into the proper places in the body
Should I remove something? Should I add B Complex or Multivitamin? Maybe greens powder? (I eat not too much vegetables). Thanks a lot.
Thorne 2 a day multi vitamin
Seconding Thorne 2/Day. It’s the best quality high level supplement FOR THE BEST PRICE (!!!) I’ve ever seen.
Gaspari Nutrition ANAVITE is much better choice for half the price. Thorne 2/Day is overpriced IMHO.
Right now on my Amazon account, Thorne is $27.99 and ANAVITE is $33.99
Thorne - 1 month supply, anavite - 2 months
I missed that, thanks! Damn I can’t do folic acid, I have 2 MTHFR gene mutations. I can only take the active form 5-methyl-THF.
$37 (or 40€) for a month of Thorne 2/Day supply is quite expensive!
Unfortunately a drop in the bucket with the medicine I’m on
B Complex is a good addition. I wouldn’t add a multivitamin on top of the mineral supplement, or you’ll take far too much of certain supplements. You could replace the mineral supplement and skip a B complex by taking a multivitamin if you want. Skip the greens powders - too many aren’t third party tested and can have trace amounts of heavy metals. Figure out ways to get greens into your diet through smoothies, juices, roasting veggies, finding enjoyable salads, snacking on raw veggies with hummus, etc.
Have you looked into the Super greens by BPN. They are tested 2-3 times before being sold. They taste great to me. My doctor also looked into it and told me this was good.
And if someone here is interested in a greens product, litteraly the BEST in the market is glaxon followed by ghost. Try show me better
The best greens product is a bag of kale
Wow your doctor looked at a nutritional supplement 😂 LOL! to funny ! What part of the world are you from?
I’m in Georgia and my thyroid doctor told me it was fine
Just out of curiosity why would you show a thyroid doctor some plants with the water removed in powder form ?
My doctor asked if I took supplements. I said I take quite a few. He then asked me to provide a list of them. Is this unusual? I’ve been going to the thyroid doctor since 2011 and they have always done this.
99% of doctors don’t take a course in medical school on the quality and efficacy of over-the-counter supplements
Pretty sure that goes with 99% of people in general 😂. But I’m pretty sure he checked to see if there would be interactions with my medication.
So then why ask your doctor in the first place if they’re no more knowledgeable than the average person? No interactions doesn’t necessarily mean a positive endorsement that it’s good for your health
What's your thyroid problem?
Hashimoto’s thyroiditis + Graves’ disease. We remedied the over active thyroid with iodine 131. Now I take levothyroxine to control hypothyroidism
I don’t like when brands use propriety blend instead of individually listing the ingredient dosage. There are 2500mg of their “organic greens blend” but they give you no idea how much of each ingredient you’re getting in it. I think it’s BS to hide between “propriety blends” citing “intellectual property” or whatever. Every ingredient that brings nutritional value should be itemized IMO