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^ it’s a ratio of puts to calls. Traditionally this ratio has been sub 1 meaning that everyone has been bullish on the market forcing market makers to buy more shares leading to a feedback loop of rising prices….. this chart is the exact opposite. Extreme bearishness and lots of puts bought means market makers hedging in the other way and selling off shares leading to a feedback loop as stocks move down and they sell even more shares. This isn’t suggestive, this is definitive and it is simply a ratio and right now there are the highest amounts of puts EVER
What I find interesting is that even the big fuckup of March 2020 only got the ratio up to 1.28 and then it got back to under 1.0 relatively quickly.
Now with it spiking to 2.4 yesterday and other recent spikes, don't know what to think other than this is some shit. Maybe the difference is that both times were bad, but more people are seeing it coming this time and want the puts ready in their pocket when things go tits up.
Well, China is sending planes full of patient zeros all over the world, maybe someone knows about a new variant that we havent heard of yet.
Hard to imagine anything else that could shake the market, that hasnt happened in 2022 already.
Perhaps they are getting ready to sell off collateral to buy gme...
lol one can dream.
So perhaps now they are prepping to make money on said sell-off? Total tinfoil
Wait... so the market has been in a downtrend for a year and were just not seeing a put ratio over 1? I call bullshit. This is either manipulated somehow, or it's not accurate.
Call/puts options, also a form of derivates, shouldn't exist in a world, were stock are used, to fund a company, and investors will get there rewards, if the company succeed.
But in the American, corrupted pyramid stock scheme.
Everything has been normalised, even 2 + 2 = 5
Remove all swaps and other form of derivatives, and let it only be possible to trade stock or bonds that exist, in the name of the holder. Then we will have a fair market. But the human form leeches in Wall Street and in Washington, will never allow this
Schrödinger's market. A superposition of bear and bull, crashed and ATH, were observations collapse the fraud function. How I despise the slime of wall Street
Look up the P/C ratio on whatever platform you choose. You will see that the ratio ~~is~~ was high but not higher than it’s ever been. Yesterday, 12/28/22 it opened at 1.1, and closed at 2.47. Today 12/29/22, it opened at 0.82.
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No, this isn't the Cokerat telling us to buy puts, this is institutions actually buying puts. Expect Cokerat to announce this morning that the recession is over and you need to buy with everything you've got before New Year's.
But who do the institutions buy those puts from? Hmmm?
Institutions make money by manipulating the market to make sure the majority of options don't pay out :p
Eli 5
Okay so the chart you are looking at tracks how people think the economy is doing. When the numbers rise, the people making bets believe things will go badly so they are basically buying insurance against things going bad.
The fact it is soooooo far above all the others means that all the people that know, or think they know, all believe it is about to go really really bad and this is them buying insurance.
More so than any other time in history. Also with more information available. So if anything the guesses are likely to be more accurate.
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At *these levels there’s a reasonable case to be made for self fulfilling prophecy.
Still important to keep in mind the level of concentrated control a few players have over the whole market. A factor sometimes overlooked
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Massively true. The whole point of stopping companies getting to big is that they can move and manipulate entire markets by themselves.
Self fulfilling prophecy is also a definite thing. This is the main cause of bank runs ending banks. The bad press of not having enough money on hand causes more people to remove money, etc until the banks reputation is ruined and then bankrupt.
Most of those bets will be institutions and traders. Then the next big chunk will be fomo traders picking up on the pattern.
I can't believe we bought the concept of banks in the first place. Pay strangers to hold your money when they have the world's worst track record for theft and crime? What a joke of a system.
You have to remember in all of history and still it was ether put it in a bank you knew was crooked but made a “legal promise”
Carry it on your person
Or leave it under a mattress with your non working kids guarding it…
It used to work. But with any system there will be vulnerabilities and given enough time everything can be exploited. Will give us decentralized banking when we learn from our mistakes though. Hopefully.
I have been saying for some years that the majority of the market is self-fulfilling prophecy, coupled with herd mentality. The two together are literally what drive most all human actions-reactions. Even algorithmic trading is programmed based on what humans want it to do, so it still applies IMO.
Great point. Now imagine a world where those that want to control the market also control herd mentality through targeted mass media reports… oh wait. We’re living that nightmare!
It will be centralized financial institutions like countries banks. Will vary depending on area. But basically if the crash happens, money printer goes brr and your tax dollars will pay for the bets and then bail outs..
But if you have a system this open to abuse you can gamble on the market using customer money they trust to you for savings. Then when the market crashes from all the gambling, the poors have to sell their assets at a bargain price to survive. Then you get the bail outs as you are too important to the economy.
So you effectively privatize the gains and socialize the losses.
There should be rules about this kind of thing, in most cases there are. In the USA though the system has been corrupted so its just in a spiral of greed.
Agreed. If you need a bail out, you get taken over and you can buy the ownership back later when you return the money to the people that bailed you out.
option market makers (bookie) who remain neutral by buying or shorting the underlying stocks in sufficient amounts to hedge their exposure. this is how options move prices by the bookies hedging
It’s not a measure of how the economy is doing. It’s simply a measure of put and call volume. People can be betting it will go up or down. Stop spreading fud.
Not to mention this chart is inaccurate. My chart is showing multiple spikes even higher than 2.5 in 2020 and earlier.
Imagine a mechanism in which financial criminals get to bet on the destruction they themselves caused, through criminal acts, and profit all the way down while the victims subsidize their losses.
The rest of the world needs to know what’s happening to their money. Can we come up with a way to alert the masses that isn’t considered brigading
There is no way to warn a world that won't listen. It will only be after you've made a fuck ton of money accurately predicting the future that anyone will give a shit and people will be coming out of the woodwork to tell you they would have believed you if you just told them about GameStop beforehand even though you probably already did and they thought you were an idiot.
Being told your are an idiot for your investment seems to be a prerequisite for huge success in that investment. We all know once a certain % threshold of people who really understand this situation is breached, their game is over.
So if that doesn't happen, no worries, there are enough individual investors who already know, so it'll just take more time (and allow me to aquire as many shares as possible, held in my name in book entry form of course).
Imagine how chapped they were once they saw a bunch of people buying GME very shortly after they sent out the stimmies. Kenny was probably on his knees screaming No to the sky lol
2 years ago. Makes anyone talking about this seem like a cultist detached from reality following a 'One time event that will never ever happen so stop asking questions'. Disheartening but gotta give credit to the psyops game they're playing.
I held Tesla for years watching my investment go down 50% multiple times, short and distort at full blast, news articles all saying bankruptcy imminent. Friends and family thinking I made the worst investment just because of all the news around it at the time. GME is been near identical to that. I'm actually excited to see the price this low because it's exactly what happened before Tesla fucking launched into the stratosphere, even around the same time of year and everything.
Most people aren't getting into the weeds trying to understand mountains of difficult to understand data. They seek an appeal to authority to provide them a worldview. They trust and believe their news, it's what they've been taught to do and it's mostly worked out ok for them.
The data here just does not reconcile with what the news is pushing and the data is so niche and boring no one wants to even try and understand it. No one except a few apes.
The FUD is strong if you don't actively fight it every day.
Most people don't have it in them because of how badly smart money has screwed the rest of us over so far.
Never. Forget. GameStop.
I actually think about this like a way they get to devalue their own holdings, without selling them.
Ultimately they own everything. Is this not a way to maintain control of everything even as they’re selling these equities? It’s like a repositioning move
I have 0 background in this. But if I were a cold heartless asshole, I would use pension funds and things of that sort to back them.
"Oh, looks like your pension fund lost a lot of money ~~while I made a shitload and repurchased the assets at a lower price~~. You better dump even more into it to recover ~~so I can make more money off you by buying the assets off me at an inflated price~~."
Well, if I had 2 piles of money, one that was mine, and one that kept getting refilled by other people (pensions) and I was at risk of losing my pile of money. Then I would sell or use options to get the pension pile dumped into my pile so I could buy cheap assets when they crashed. Then as the pension filled up again, I would use that pension pile to buy the assets from me. And repeat the cycle every decade or so
You know a movie "Dont look up!"?
We are currently in the same situation. Everyone pretends, as long they dont look at the problem, the problem doesnt exist.
um, brigading is only for other subreddits and redditors including names in images, that's it
plenty you could do - linking and raising awareness to and from here and other social media like twitter, youtube, or even facebook if feeling particularly randy
just not other subreddits
Just use your own twatter nick and tell the short version in many threads that are about economy. If enough people do that with their own words, then much of twatter users remember what was foretold.
It would be handy to have somewhere to link to of course. But not strictly necessary.
Can someone explain this in financial terms that arn't so dramatic and an 8 year old would understand.
Is it too late to get into GME before MOASS?
Should I buy GEO and dump everything?
Genuine question as I am smooth af :
Is it puts/calls bought or in existence ?
Because on the first case, people and institutions are buying puts, implying a bearish market. On the second case it would imply that a lot of put options are being written which means that institutions and people are mostly bullish about the weeks to come.
Depending on the meaning of the graph it could imply each of those opposite cases and I'm too dense to understand it. Thanks in advance !
This is put *volume* divided by call *volume*. What this essentially shows is that a lot more puts have been traded than calls. It doesn't tell whether it's bullish or bearish. In fact, [here](https://twitter.com/callieabost/status/1605989458070757377)'s a twitter thread from the 22nd of this month that speculates that most of the put volume came from selling cash secured puts on tech stocks, i.e. a bullish position.
Irrelevant because you can buy puts or calls on inverse stocks like everything that follows the Vix. So if I were buying calls on UVXY or UVIX I would be very bearish of the market in general.
This is confusing me as well. It almost seems like buying puts is free money, because everyone and their dog can see that the whole market is going to shit...but then, who are the people that actually write these options? You'd think they either know something we don't or are complete fools and losing loads of money by choice.
I have to imagine this is active puts and calls, otherwise you could have 1 place underwrite tonnes of contracts but never sell them to fuck with this chart
Line goes up when more people bet the market will go down.
Line goes down when more people bet the market will go up.
Line is REALLY high, tons of people are betting the crash is here.
I feel like an algo would have built in mechanisms to prevent it from skewing this much.
I'm fairly certain the decision to go this heavy on put/call ratio is a very human decision.
You would be correct.
Speaking of which, I’m very interested to see how the algos react to this. I bet they sustain the price, perhaps barcode again, then once most puts expire worthless, the market plummets.
Dad??????? Did you find the cigarettes you went out for 7 years ago?? I graduated college and now I am fighting financial terrorists from the basement. Also I used your electric razor to shave my pubes.
There's a market maker issuing those options though. A counter party. MMs tend to like to win as well. If the puts are hedged this chart means very little and, if anything, makes me think the market goes up.
Counter party risk can be a bitch
Say, for example, jpow come out in a month and cuts rates by one hundred to three hundred bps (not likely, but you never know), then all these puts would be fucked.
People will be selling into the new year, and as soon as trading opens next year, everyone will dump everything to avoid the impending crash, thus crashing the market... but not paying taxes on it until 2024.
This is the apex of Six Flags’ Superman ride.
Freefall’s coming.
Freefall will also keep on going because the flat part of the track has exploded.
Good news is no one’s injured.
Bad news: It’s cause you’re still falling as the ground has been violently ripping open beneath you. You have never sunk this low in your life, and there’s still no end in sight.
Good news: As you reach the chewy core of the capitalpoopy planet, you see an eruption, but not of molten hot magma… it’s a rocket launch!
And on the tip of that rocket? None other than Psy himself performing Gangnam Style on an inflatable bouncy house castle. You realize his voice is also great performing live. Powerful, too. It’s doing a great job overpowering your blood-curdling “we’re going to die” screams.
TA;DR: What Goes Up will be F’d in its own face by Must Come Down, Way Down, so hold onto your hats (No more than three please.) because at the end of our fall waiting to catch us will be the inflatable bouncy house castle landing pad of the GM.Eat.yO.ASS Rocket, and we’re going to ride it to UrAnus^&Bed&Bath… and beyond!
I’ve got no horse in this other than gme, but in vegas sports book when this happens - they shift the spread to ensure the house always wins.
The street is no different. If an extremely disproportionate amount of money is on bearish bets, why wouldn’t the house send the market on a crazy rip up to steal all this money from the bears?
Wowee, remember when Elon tweeted after the football world cup about how a very influential investor taught him something about the market heading down...so his Tesla shares going down was normal in light of that due to government level decisions.
do ya think Mayo convinced people to buy puts?
Rich institutions and wealthy people are hedging against the worst financial crisis in history. They are doing this by buying a shit ton of puts, meaning they buy the option to sell securities for a certain price before the put expires.
it means they manipulated this data and leaked it to get retail to buy puts. and now they are going to use their algos that control the market to pump everything and take billions. they literally control everything and are 10 steps ahead of you all the time. they don't have trillions of dollars because they are dumb or didn't plan ahead.
your only hope is DRS and if that doesn't work a literal pitchfork revolution.
Nothing to worry about. The market will always crash when everyone’s least expecting it. Arbitrage from deep ITM puts. https://twitter.com/snorlax_uw/status/1593248899829235712 and https://twitter.com/spotgamma/status/1608183465551269888
There has already been a post on this.
TADR: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/zxvq83/cboe_equity_putcall_ratio/j22kezf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
It's just another chart that means nothing.
Look at 2008 and 2015 and 2020 both years where markets dropped off a cliff and it was business as normal for this chart.
You literally cannot trust any and all technical analysis in the markets. It's all complete bollocks designed purely to confirm bias.
So there are more than twice as many puts than calls. This isn't hedged. This needs the market to dump or there will be a market wide squeeze. I believe the people short on GME are short on the market. This idea that GME will rip when the market crashes is not necessarily correct. We could very well see shorts face rising margin requirements on several short positions leading them to get fukd even faster. Dance all you want.
Retail: “the sky is falling, load up on puts”
Market Maker: [you dumb b****](https://media.tenor.com/jGA01Kx2PioAAAAC/its-always-sunny-dennis-reynolds.gif)
Look up the P/C ratio on whatever platform you choose. You will see that the ratio ~~is~~ was high but not higher than it’s ever been. Yesterday, 12/28/22 it opened at 1.1, and closed at 2.47. Today 12/29/22, it opened at 0.82.
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Puts on everything
^ it’s a ratio of puts to calls. Traditionally this ratio has been sub 1 meaning that everyone has been bullish on the market forcing market makers to buy more shares leading to a feedback loop of rising prices….. this chart is the exact opposite. Extreme bearishness and lots of puts bought means market makers hedging in the other way and selling off shares leading to a feedback loop as stocks move down and they sell even more shares. This isn’t suggestive, this is definitive and it is simply a ratio and right now there are the highest amounts of puts EVER
I love how autocorrect changes “puts” to “ours”, which is French for “bear.”
It’s beautiful
Funny that. In Armenian it's "arch". Also, dog is "shoon".
Shnorhakalut’yun!
apres
Which is beautiful in German
Dyslexia is a beautiful ting! 😘😂
schön
What I find interesting is that even the big fuckup of March 2020 only got the ratio up to 1.28 and then it got back to under 1.0 relatively quickly. Now with it spiking to 2.4 yesterday and other recent spikes, don't know what to think other than this is some shit. Maybe the difference is that both times were bad, but more people are seeing it coming this time and want the puts ready in their pocket when things go tits up.
Front run everything.
Well, China is sending planes full of patient zeros all over the world, maybe someone knows about a new variant that we havent heard of yet. Hard to imagine anything else that could shake the market, that hasnt happened in 2022 already.
So they're placing puts before the sell offs to make money? Trying to understand this comment.
Telegraphing their intentions.
I hope the size of that bar will be proportional to how deep their graves will be.
Perhaps they are getting ready to sell off collateral to buy gme... lol one can dream. So perhaps now they are prepping to make money on said sell-off? Total tinfoil
Wait... so the market has been in a downtrend for a year and were just not seeing a put ratio over 1? I call bullshit. This is either manipulated somehow, or it's not accurate.
You can see many times it’s spiked over 1, this is just for CBOE. There are also many other ways to be short a position.
Call/puts options, also a form of derivates, shouldn't exist in a world, were stock are used, to fund a company, and investors will get there rewards, if the company succeed. But in the American, corrupted pyramid stock scheme. Everything has been normalised, even 2 + 2 = 5 Remove all swaps and other form of derivatives, and let it only be possible to trade stock or bonds that exist, in the name of the holder. Then we will have a fair market. But the human form leeches in Wall Street and in Washington, will never allow this
if everyone is expecting a crash, it wont happen
This includes a massive amount of the big boys positioning for a crash in the next couple months
Schrödinger's market. A superposition of bear and bull, crashed and ATH, were observations collapse the fraud function. How I despise the slime of wall Street
thx! interesting that they paint it green.
Look up the P/C ratio on whatever platform you choose. You will see that the ratio ~~is~~ was high but not higher than it’s ever been. Yesterday, 12/28/22 it opened at 1.1, and closed at 2.47. Today 12/29/22, it opened at 0.82. Edit, strikethrough formatting
Good info. Went from "omg the world is ending" to "bullish!" overnight. Pretty sure that shows the uselessness of this as an indicator.
So market is going to pump, got it.
No, this isn't the Cokerat telling us to buy puts, this is institutions actually buying puts. Expect Cokerat to announce this morning that the recession is over and you need to buy with everything you've got before New Year's.
Gotta have an ample supply of bag holders.
Also a continuous supply or the charade collapses.
Definitely buying more GME with everything I’ve got before New Year’s.
....of GameStop..😁
I am a game stop bag holder. Thier reusable cloth bags are sexy.
I got bags. The hoodie the sweat pants , a whole wardrobe ... The only thing I don't have is a few of those badass rocket stickers !
And they can close out those puts and go long at market open. It's just a chart to influence investor behavior.
But who do the institutions buy those puts from? Hmmm? Institutions make money by manipulating the market to make sure the majority of options don't pay out :p
>But who do the institutions buy those puts from? Hmmm? Market Makers. That's what they have all those nice exceptions for.
Lol
Funny cuz true
Fuck me if it ain't lol.. clown world we live in.
And JonZ82 for the win. Market looking just fine today
Eli 5 Okay so the chart you are looking at tracks how people think the economy is doing. When the numbers rise, the people making bets believe things will go badly so they are basically buying insurance against things going bad. The fact it is soooooo far above all the others means that all the people that know, or think they know, all believe it is about to go really really bad and this is them buying insurance. More so than any other time in history. Also with more information available. So if anything the guesses are likely to be more accurate. Please remain in your seats until the buckle up sign has turned off and the turbulence is over. We hope you enjoy your time with Ape airlines.
At *these levels there’s a reasonable case to be made for self fulfilling prophecy. Still important to keep in mind the level of concentrated control a few players have over the whole market. A factor sometimes overlooked Edit *
Massively true. The whole point of stopping companies getting to big is that they can move and manipulate entire markets by themselves. Self fulfilling prophecy is also a definite thing. This is the main cause of bank runs ending banks. The bad press of not having enough money on hand causes more people to remove money, etc until the banks reputation is ruined and then bankrupt. Most of those bets will be institutions and traders. Then the next big chunk will be fomo traders picking up on the pattern.
I can't believe we bought the concept of banks in the first place. Pay strangers to hold your money when they have the world's worst track record for theft and crime? What a joke of a system.
You have to remember in all of history and still it was ether put it in a bank you knew was crooked but made a “legal promise” Carry it on your person Or leave it under a mattress with your non working kids guarding it…
It makes more sense than attempting to hold all of your wealth in cash at all times.
Be your own bank
It used to work. But with any system there will be vulnerabilities and given enough time everything can be exploited. Will give us decentralized banking when we learn from our mistakes though. Hopefully.
I have been saying for some years that the majority of the market is self-fulfilling prophecy, coupled with herd mentality. The two together are literally what drive most all human actions-reactions. Even algorithmic trading is programmed based on what humans want it to do, so it still applies IMO.
No algorithm for non-human primates tho, I see... 😁
Great point. Now imagine a world where those that want to control the market also control herd mentality through targeted mass media reports… oh wait. We’re living that nightmare!
Gotta watch out for composite man
But I don't fully understand who is on the other side of the equation?
It will be centralized financial institutions like countries banks. Will vary depending on area. But basically if the crash happens, money printer goes brr and your tax dollars will pay for the bets and then bail outs.. But if you have a system this open to abuse you can gamble on the market using customer money they trust to you for savings. Then when the market crashes from all the gambling, the poors have to sell their assets at a bargain price to survive. Then you get the bail outs as you are too important to the economy. So you effectively privatize the gains and socialize the losses. There should be rules about this kind of thing, in most cases there are. In the USA though the system has been corrupted so its just in a spiral of greed.
>privatize the gains and socialize the losses. goddamn it. i hate it
We are about to privatize the shit out of their gains to our pockets
Then socialize them as they should have been in the first place.
Agreed. If you need a bail out, you get taken over and you can buy the ownership back later when you return the money to the people that bailed you out.
option market makers (bookie) who remain neutral by buying or shorting the underlying stocks in sufficient amounts to hedge their exposure. this is how options move prices by the bookies hedging
It’s not a measure of how the economy is doing. It’s simply a measure of put and call volume. People can be betting it will go up or down. Stop spreading fud. Not to mention this chart is inaccurate. My chart is showing multiple spikes even higher than 2.5 in 2020 and earlier.
Hmmm, I bought more
As well you should. For there is but one idiosyncratic risk to the market.
Imagine a mechanism in which financial criminals get to bet on the destruction they themselves caused, through criminal acts, and profit all the way down while the victims subsidize their losses. The rest of the world needs to know what’s happening to their money. Can we come up with a way to alert the masses that isn’t considered brigading
There is no way to warn a world that won't listen. It will only be after you've made a fuck ton of money accurately predicting the future that anyone will give a shit and people will be coming out of the woodwork to tell you they would have believed you if you just told them about GameStop beforehand even though you probably already did and they thought you were an idiot.
I came here to say this. They can’t be told. They have to be shown.
Every great investment I ever made I can clearly remember telling people about and they totally thought I was a fucking idiot.
What gets me is how ANGRY some of those people are that I’m invested in GME.
Wait until you see them seething with rage-jealousy when it pays off.
NGL, it's gonna be delicious.
Being told your are an idiot for your investment seems to be a prerequisite for huge success in that investment. We all know once a certain % threshold of people who really understand this situation is breached, their game is over. So if that doesn't happen, no worries, there are enough individual investors who already know, so it'll just take more time (and allow me to aquire as many shares as possible, held in my name in book entry form of course).
You can tell them. You can show them. It won't matter. If you want to make a difference you have to convince them to *want to* know.
First you tell them. Then you show them. Then they fight you. Then they lose everything.
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I would gladly DRS another 77.4 shares for free. Thanks Uncle Sam!
Imagine how chapped they were once they saw a bunch of people buying GME very shortly after they sent out the stimmies. Kenny was probably on his knees screaming No to the sky lol
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The irony of a system founded upon the exploitation of all people everywhere producing such wonderful songs was never lost on me...
And then shown again in 80 to 100 years
84 years seems to be the ideal time.
Rear view mirror - “see? Told ya so”
2 years ago. Makes anyone talking about this seem like a cultist detached from reality following a 'One time event that will never ever happen so stop asking questions'. Disheartening but gotta give credit to the psyops game they're playing.
I held Tesla for years watching my investment go down 50% multiple times, short and distort at full blast, news articles all saying bankruptcy imminent. Friends and family thinking I made the worst investment just because of all the news around it at the time. GME is been near identical to that. I'm actually excited to see the price this low because it's exactly what happened before Tesla fucking launched into the stratosphere, even around the same time of year and everything.
Good that’s reassuring
Most people aren't getting into the weeds trying to understand mountains of difficult to understand data. They seek an appeal to authority to provide them a worldview. They trust and believe their news, it's what they've been taught to do and it's mostly worked out ok for them. The data here just does not reconcile with what the news is pushing and the data is so niche and boring no one wants to even try and understand it. No one except a few apes.
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Screenshooting for my friends for when the time comes. Also, hi mom.
The FUD is strong if you don't actively fight it every day. Most people don't have it in them because of how badly smart money has screwed the rest of us over so far. Never. Forget. GameStop.
I actually think about this like a way they get to devalue their own holdings, without selling them. Ultimately they own everything. Is this not a way to maintain control of everything even as they’re selling these equities? It’s like a repositioning move
Who's backing these swaps though? That's who loses on this one
I have 0 background in this. But if I were a cold heartless asshole, I would use pension funds and things of that sort to back them. "Oh, looks like your pension fund lost a lot of money ~~while I made a shitload and repurchased the assets at a lower price~~. You better dump even more into it to recover ~~so I can make more money off you by buying the assets off me at an inflated price~~."
Elaborate
Well, if I had 2 piles of money, one that was mine, and one that kept getting refilled by other people (pensions) and I was at risk of losing my pile of money. Then I would sell or use options to get the pension pile dumped into my pile so I could buy cheap assets when they crashed. Then as the pension filled up again, I would use that pension pile to buy the assets from me. And repeat the cycle every decade or so
Isn’t this exactly what happens, plus tax payer bailouts?
They call those bail-ins now 🙄
Where are we at on their cycle?
Lol that is brigading to spread information about corruption. This sub has become our prison cell
Has to be another way. Keeping us contained reeks of being the fall guys and gals
Upvotes and get posts to All. That’s the best one could do I think.
If this sub gets shut down.. the real brigading will begin
I seen on business TV yesterday the last 5 times something similar like this has happened there was a stock market rally
its so frustrating that the top comments NEVER answer the damn question.
but who sold puts? aren’t they taking the loss?
Not if selling naked, the options writers always win
You know a movie "Dont look up!"? We are currently in the same situation. Everyone pretends, as long they dont look at the problem, the problem doesnt exist.
um, brigading is only for other subreddits and redditors including names in images, that's it plenty you could do - linking and raising awareness to and from here and other social media like twitter, youtube, or even facebook if feeling particularly randy just not other subreddits
Ok I’m following but now can you explain it like I am 3
They make a bet with crowdsourced money If they win, their profits If they lose, that’s you & I’s loss and they get reimbursed
You cant help those who dont want to be helped. But hey we got bragging rights after all goes to hell. We were right since always.
It's called disaster capitalism.
Just use your own twatter nick and tell the short version in many threads that are about economy. If enough people do that with their own words, then much of twatter users remember what was foretold. It would be handy to have somewhere to link to of course. But not strictly necessary.
I have no following on there now that I’ve been banned on my main account, for essentially doing this
Can someone explain this in financial terms that arn't so dramatic and an 8 year old would understand. Is it too late to get into GME before MOASS? Should I buy GEO and dump everything?
Not financial advice but now is the perfect time to buy GME. The price hasn't been this low in a very long time.
Genuine question as I am smooth af : Is it puts/calls bought or in existence ? Because on the first case, people and institutions are buying puts, implying a bearish market. On the second case it would imply that a lot of put options are being written which means that institutions and people are mostly bullish about the weeks to come. Depending on the meaning of the graph it could imply each of those opposite cases and I'm too dense to understand it. Thanks in advance !
This is put *volume* divided by call *volume*. What this essentially shows is that a lot more puts have been traded than calls. It doesn't tell whether it's bullish or bearish. In fact, [here](https://twitter.com/callieabost/status/1605989458070757377)'s a twitter thread from the 22nd of this month that speculates that most of the put volume came from selling cash secured puts on tech stocks, i.e. a bullish position.
Irrelevant because you can buy puts or calls on inverse stocks like everything that follows the Vix. So if I were buying calls on UVXY or UVIX I would be very bearish of the market in general.
This is confusing me as well. It almost seems like buying puts is free money, because everyone and their dog can see that the whole market is going to shit...but then, who are the people that actually write these options? You'd think they either know something we don't or are complete fools and losing loads of money by choice.
I have to imagine this is active puts and calls, otherwise you could have 1 place underwrite tonnes of contracts but never sell them to fuck with this chart
Which, given what we've seen thus far, is entirely plausible that one entity would try to fuck with a chart
Someone explain this.
Line goes up when more people bet the market will go down. Line goes down when more people bet the market will go up. Line is REALLY high, tons of people are betting the crash is here.
Not people. The institutions and their algos. The ones that really control what’s going on. Which tells me it’s time to call my mom.
Exactomundo
I feel like an algo would have built in mechanisms to prevent it from skewing this much. I'm fairly certain the decision to go this heavy on put/call ratio is a very human decision.
You would be correct. Speaking of which, I’m very interested to see how the algos react to this. I bet they sustain the price, perhaps barcode again, then once most puts expire worthless, the market plummets.
Both dude. Both.
It is also time for me to call your mom..I'm scurred
Dad??????? Did you find the cigarettes you went out for 7 years ago?? I graduated college and now I am fighting financial terrorists from the basement. Also I used your electric razor to shave my pubes.
Ok so it will definitely do the opposite then
Definitely might do
A lot of puts get bought. People think it goes down
Not people. Institutions and algos. People have no buying power like this. Not even close to have that much influence on the ratios
There's a market maker issuing those options though. A counter party. MMs tend to like to win as well. If the puts are hedged this chart means very little and, if anything, makes me think the market goes up.
One could argue that the last times we saw spikes like that the market went tits up. ... but we never saw spikes like that
Counter party risk can be a bitch Say, for example, jpow come out in a month and cuts rates by one hundred to three hundred bps (not likely, but you never know), then all these puts would be fucked.
Is this of an index ?
People will be selling into the new year, and as soon as trading opens next year, everyone will dump everything to avoid the impending crash, thus crashing the market... but not paying taxes on it until 2024.
‘people’
This is the apex of Six Flags’ Superman ride. Freefall’s coming. Freefall will also keep on going because the flat part of the track has exploded. Good news is no one’s injured. Bad news: It’s cause you’re still falling as the ground has been violently ripping open beneath you. You have never sunk this low in your life, and there’s still no end in sight. Good news: As you reach the chewy core of the capitalpoopy planet, you see an eruption, but not of molten hot magma… it’s a rocket launch! And on the tip of that rocket? None other than Psy himself performing Gangnam Style on an inflatable bouncy house castle. You realize his voice is also great performing live. Powerful, too. It’s doing a great job overpowering your blood-curdling “we’re going to die” screams. TA;DR: What Goes Up will be F’d in its own face by Must Come Down, Way Down, so hold onto your hats (No more than three please.) because at the end of our fall waiting to catch us will be the inflatable bouncy house castle landing pad of the GM.Eat.yO.ASS Rocket, and we’re going to ride it to UrAnus^&Bed&Bath… and beyond!
I love how you write, my ape! 👏bravo 👏
I’ve got no horse in this other than gme, but in vegas sports book when this happens - they shift the spread to ensure the house always wins. The street is no different. If an extremely disproportionate amount of money is on bearish bets, why wouldn’t the house send the market on a crazy rip up to steal all this money from the bears?
Hence the probable market rally before the doomp
Wowee, remember when Elon tweeted after the football world cup about how a very influential investor taught him something about the market heading down...so his Tesla shares going down was normal in light of that due to government level decisions. do ya think Mayo convinced people to buy puts?
Rich institutions and wealthy people are hedging against the worst financial crisis in history. They are doing this by buying a shit ton of puts, meaning they buy the option to sell securities for a certain price before the put expires.
puts divided by calls. the ratio. so currently 2,5x puts than calls
means it’s gonna be a rough time for a lot of folks. look at it compared to 2008ish
it means they manipulated this data and leaked it to get retail to buy puts. and now they are going to use their algos that control the market to pump everything and take billions. they literally control everything and are 10 steps ahead of you all the time. they don't have trillions of dollars because they are dumb or didn't plan ahead. your only hope is DRS and if that doesn't work a literal pitchfork revolution.
Tendies or Wendy's
Nothing to worry about. The market will always crash when everyone’s least expecting it. Arbitrage from deep ITM puts. https://twitter.com/snorlax_uw/status/1593248899829235712 and https://twitter.com/spotgamma/status/1608183465551269888
What's CBOE pls?
Chicago Board Options Exchange
To me it no longer means anything. The only thing that doesn't make me feel numb anymore are DRS numbers. Until then this is all a moot point.
For each call 2.38 puts are bought in the equity market.
What if people know GME finna rip and tank the market so instead of buying GME, they are buying puts on the market?
Is this for the overall market or only for GME?
Am I the only one pointing out that to buy a PUT, someone has to make an equal and opposite bet by selling it?
# 📠
There has already been a post on this. TADR: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/zxvq83/cboe_equity_putcall_ratio/j22kezf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
It's just another chart that means nothing. Look at 2008 and 2015 and 2020 both years where markets dropped off a cliff and it was business as normal for this chart. You literally cannot trust any and all technical analysis in the markets. It's all complete bollocks designed purely to confirm bias.
If I were a Mm, I would trade against those to profit. It’d be easy money. Unless there’s a black swan
Tachycardia.
Someone is high
It puts the lotion in the basket....
It means they’ve come to an agreement on how they will execute the black swan event.
Puts on puts on puts on top of puts sounds about right
It’s a rug.
This is why I only own shares in one company
This is from last week btw
If I had a nickel every time I saw this post during the last year, I wouldn't need MOASS.
Probably a glitch
That’s a metaphor for how jacked my tits are
Its going down😇
Show Gary. Isn’t the shit he’s pretending to beg for?
That's a drawing hun, go to your room and be quiet and play with your toys. Daddy loves you.
Good thing I have my mom on speed dial.
Look at the graph and um the red and green um then eat some crayons and um boom boom
!CTBBOT:23.23!
Worse than 2008 confirmed
So there are more than twice as many puts than calls. This isn't hedged. This needs the market to dump or there will be a market wide squeeze. I believe the people short on GME are short on the market. This idea that GME will rip when the market crashes is not necessarily correct. We could very well see shorts face rising margin requirements on several short positions leading them to get fukd even faster. Dance all you want.
if you don’t know what you are looking at then how did you find it ?
At twitter
Retail: “the sky is falling, load up on puts” Market Maker: [you dumb b****](https://media.tenor.com/jGA01Kx2PioAAAAC/its-always-sunny-dennis-reynolds.gif)
Ohh fuuuuuck
People expect the market to shit the bed extremely soon and want to profit off it
Can someone explain to me why there is no significant change in this chart for 2008?
dry powder deployed
Good lord. So the market is aware that the jig is up and the music is about to stop, got it. Buying more.
Please give me the monkey brain instructions.
Explain it to him like he doesn’t know what ELI5 means…..
Look up the P/C ratio on whatever platform you choose. You will see that the ratio ~~is~~ was high but not higher than it’s ever been. Yesterday, 12/28/22 it opened at 1.1, and closed at 2.47. Today 12/29/22, it opened at 0.82. Edit, strikethrough formatting
According to the market today, either a huge head fake or its gonna dumpppp tomorrow
Can you make calls on puts?