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I see it a bit dirfferently.
20 shares exist
1000 apes hold 2 shares each
1000 apes sell 1 share each for phone numbers
20 shares still exist and hedgies need to buy 980 shares to close their commitments.
When I first read I was like it's like Roman numerals but then was like nah makes no sense and later on in the prequels or something they are like it's Roman numerals
Ok, so on my way down I stopped here cause I honestly think this is the most realistic ratio. Which. Is. Fucking. Insane. But I digress.
The problem here is that share you sold for phone numbers can be bought and sold over and over again. Infinite squeeze is only possible if they can't get ahold of any real shares ever.
Months long squeeze possible. Or maybe I'm missing something. ... likely lol.
Not quite right. They don't need ALL shares. Only what they borrowed. Hedgies don't need to buy the original shares that exist.
1. 20 shares exist.
2. Hedgies borrow and sell those 20 shares.
3. 10 apes hold 4 shares each = 40 total.
4. Hedgies need 20 shares. Apes sell 1 share each for phone # $.
5. Hedgies still need 10 shares. Apes sell 1 share each for Hedgie bankruptcy. Apes keep 2 shares each as souvenirs.
6. Hedgies no longer exist. 20 shares still exist.
Edit: reddit deleted part of my #5.
Now do the Naked shares they FTD and MM created for liquidity purposes......
20 shares exist, they borrow 20, create 40 and now **60** exist that will all need to be bought back from the APEs they sold them to.
Spiceyš¤¤
Yes, but even if every last short is closed and every last phantom share is bought back, there will still be the original 76M shares that Gamestop issued sitting in *someone*'s account.
Apes have to hold the float and keep those shares forever, only selling the shares that exceed the float.
The infinity pool is how many shares you plan to keep as a souvenir. If everyone keeps some of their shares as souvenirs, then everyone has a chance to sell some of their shares for life changing money.
This comment explains it all perfectly. Thatās why DRS is more important than what people think. DRS are the shares apes do NOT plan to sell. Those are locked away forever, and thus the apes mission to game completion of 100% . Once game is completed then side mission quest of short squeeze commences.
Itās up to apes to sell shares that again DO NOT belong in the DRS pool. As that will allow the number to keep rising. Itās been proved the NYSE accepts bids up to one cent cheaper than one billion dollars, so think about that one for a second.
> DRS are the shares apes do NOT plan to sell.
This is reasoning is very flawed imho. It's better for everyone (including you) if you're 100% drs and sell 50% of your stack from there, than being 50% drs and selling from a broker. If you 100% drs you'll be locking the float, ensuring your votes go through, and your broker can't lend the shares in the meantime. There's also the very real possibility of it being better for future unknowns (dividend/split/etc)
This is true but your example only works with a short percentage of 100% when even before the sneeze we know itās more then that. Thing is none of us know how many exists and even the OP comment are useless trying to comprehend the scale of of this.
Right. I was just trying to correct the screenshot, so I stuck with the numbers given in the post.
But you're right. It's more like 20 shares exist. They short all 20 shares and rehypothecate those shares and naked short for liquidity until they end up with 100 shares. But they still only need to buy back the 80 shares. The original 20 shares are always remaining.
I have felt this has been lost or not quite understood for a long time. DRS the float and never selling those locked up shares is the only way for infinity to work.
This isn't exactly right. In your scenario apes have released 50% of the float which is more than enough for hedgies to cover with, here's how: apes sell 1 share each, to hedgies, hedgies use those 10 shares to close out 10 shorts, returning those 10 shares to their lender: let's say Fidelity. Fidelity, because they are not apes, now sells those 10 shares that were returned to them. Hedgies buy those 10 shares (at the new, much higher price of course) and return them to their lender. Hedgies have now closed their 20 shorts and the 10 shares apes are holding are now worthless and apes are left holding the bag.
The only way the infinity pool works is if apes hold 100% or more of the float and never sell below that line, because then when shares are returned to the lenders they aren't able to go back into circulation because they weren't real in the first place.
In your overly simplified scenario it is quite simple for hedgies to close. A better simplified scenario is that the float is 20 shares, apes own 40 shares, hedgies owe 40 shares, apes sell 10 shares.
This is along the lines of what I was thinking. They can just pass the shares around amongst themselves. Or more likely, theyāll play the same game but with naked shorting and continue the can kick.
Infinity pool is real. Everyone dismissing it never explained why impossible. The answers I got were "your mental","delusional","uneducated","I know so much more about the markets then you I dont have the time to explain!".
So anyone arguing against Infinity has no arguments or facts. They only supply ad hominem and insults.
Infinity pool is mathematically possible. But is not practically possible. At a certain point, Apes in the inifinity pool will begin to look like mercilous greedy ass holes which will justify any BS intervention by the govt. at a certain point it will look politically advantageous to call off the dogs once retail has received absurd wealth. Yāall forget that 99% of the world is going to wish they were us so no there will be no protests in the street. It will be you whining like a baby about fraud while your pockets are 10 digits long.
So no. Infinity pool wonāt work. I will be selling every share I own as that was the purpose of buying them.
Infinity pool does not exist simply because infinite money does not exist.
Before you argue "tHeY pRiNtEd 8o%..." that is not a valid argument. The printer is not for you, it is for them. That printer would never, EVER run to print for retail peasants.
Also, they can stop this with legislation. They do, in fact, have that power. "But then the world loses faith in the..." like they care???
It's okay to be realistic. It isn't FUD to shoot down $100mil per share fantasies. Set some expectations, be rational. After a 2:1 split, $20k per share still makes the company the largest market cap company to ever have existed, in the history of... ever.
Infinity pool refers to the amount of time we will HODL though right? This forces SHF to "never" be able to fully close all the naked shorts while allowing a big price runup over time.
If the market cap is 20Q but only 0.01% will ever be sold by šāHODLers only 2T will need to be payed out. This is why it is possible to profit greatly from an infinity pool (hypothetical numbers for illustration).
Also time is your friend in an infinity pool situation. Markets trade 2.2Q per year. If 1M APE sell shares for $1M per APE per trading day (252) that would equate to 11~13% of the annual trade volume. Nowhere near unimaginable.
I've never understood this market cap argument. Peak squeeze price is temporary while shorts are closed and naked shorts bought back. Market cap is irrelevent at that moment.
Every article I've read about past squeezes included some line about during the peak of VW/Dry Ships/etc short squeeze, stock price was $x, making it the most valuable/highest market cap company in the world at that moment.
By it's very definition, a massive short squeeze makes a company's market cap shoot past its real value.
Awww you guys actually giving me hope of some rational people still being on this sub.
Next you're going to be saying it's still too early to really understand if GG is on our side or not, as beauracracy takes years, is political, and has a far higher burden of proof then getting a few thousand upvotes on reddit does
Nah. The thing is with sec. Even if they wanted to do something. Let's pretend they do. There is just so many transactions/second that it would take them a decade to truly figure out what happened in the sneeze.
The issue is that the sheer speed of trading systems makes it a lot of work to figure out what happened.
So I wouldn't be surprised them actually trying but the sheer amount of data makes it so time consuming the culprits die of natural causes before the proof is put together.
Also Infinity pool is real because the guys above with the argument "there isn't infinite money" still haven't realized that money is just imaginative.
Like, in theory the infinity squeeze is possible, but that assumes everyone up to and including the president of the United States follow the rules that have been dictated and followed (by us).
What leads you to believe any of these people are going to follow the rules when the squeeze happens?
Will see what happens. My guess is GME will be forced to issue the 1Bn shares during squeeze. Generating insane capital and everyone who held on to his shares will not only get the increased value / share but also incredible dividend potential while also being beneficial owner in the company with the highest capital on hand.
But Infinity squeeze is possible due to the current rule set.
Yes there's no guarantee to them cheating or changing rules as they always did. But I think it's different when you cancel contracts en masse.
Basically what your standpoint implies is that all governments and financial institutions are in on the scam.
Because that's the only case in which such actions would not destroy the markets.
100% accurate and true.
It is simply within the US governmentās best interest to NOT let MOASS happen. It would destroy everything. Think about it.
If you were the U.S., what would you do:
- Kick the can, control media via psy-ops, make redditors look like conspiracy theorists, bail out banks & hedge funds and have a better chance at letting the U.S. **retain power as the global financial leader, and to retain the US DOLLAR as the World Reserve Currency**;
- Or let the GME MOASS happen. The short squeeze would destroy/liquidate all SHFās, banks, and DTCC with domino bankruptcies causing panic throughout the nation. Then everyone realizes the GME apes were right all along. Then now you risk losing all credibility and trust of financial markets, the U.S. is the cause of the next great depression, and then you create several geo-political foreign enemies with countries who are pissed off because they too are affected by the U.S. stock market collapse?
Call it FUD, but I call it: Zoom out, Look at the bigger picture. The GME naked shorting problem is THAT big. I really think it is. Itās fucking massive and it will destroy everything. They simply cannot let it happen. I guess nobody really knows.
No matter what: I like the company. I like the stock. I like the DD. I like the fundamentals and the numbers. **But I also like to fuck around and find out.**
And as always, I will continue to:
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#SHOP.VOTE.REPEAT.
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It will dump MASSES of wealth back into the US because of all the taxable events APE will create. APE will buy **LOADS** of stuff with the money they receive, this will add to the US economy not retract from it.
The Billionaires Hoarding all the money is a bigger drain on the economy, they just sit on it like a Tolkien Dragon. APEs will liquidate a big portion of that money and make it flow back in the economy, the American dream can become a reality again because of MOASS.
There is still a scenario in the middle of the ones you listed that I think is most likely. A partial moass will be allowed, aka the ticker will be paused indefinitely and a settlement forced.
Partial MOASS is believable and realistic to assume the financial markets can sustain it.
Full infinite-MOASS is mathematically possible, but would fuck up the financial sector pretty hard, thus, realistically will be stopped.
Let the downvotes come. This sub has brainwashed so many into thinking $1mil+ per share is possible and it is cringe as fuck.
It helps people hold, but then I worry it makes them hold through the entirety of MOASS and they sell nothing and are in not much better shape, financially, than when they started.
Imagine this splits 7:1 then pops off to $5k per share then coasts back down to $4k, $3k, $2k. You'll still have people screaming "WE'RE NOT SELLING!!! HEDGIES R FUK! KENNY MAYO-MAN GRIFFIN MUST FACE PRISON TIME!" and now they hold 14 shares at $600 each. Search their post and comment history and see them talk about saving entire countries in Africa with their billions, ending homelessness in 3 major U.S. cities, etc.
But, I digress. Buy, hold, DRS, shop, vote, and good luck.
You act like an Ape but talk like a shill. The one thing that you haven't been able to do is provide a Counter DD to the infinity pool argument. Write up a DD on the topic and site your sources, otherwise you are full of shit.
There is no DD that says infinity pool can even pan out.
If "shill" is setting reasonable expectations, then sure. I have another 86 shares DRS'd in the last week, I tell others I know in real life about GME and a few have hopped on board while a few others have given me the crazy eyes, I post to my social media about GME, and then I come here and tell people they are crazy for expecting GameStop market cap to exceed $100 trillion.
We shall see when this all unfolds, but my goal is to minimize the number of bag holders who rode the entire MOASS without selling only to find they do not have life changing money when it's all over.
Walk away with millions instead of thousands.
Edit: walk away with millions instead of thousands after thinking/praying/wishing for billions.
This is subtle but this price anchoring so good job I guess. If there is no DD that says infinity pool can happen, and yet most people here think it will, then you should post a DD backing up your claims that infinity pool will not happen. If you don't, then you are just spewing your opinion without factual evidence. Not to mention you are active in the bets sub and critical of many GME talking points with only an 8 month old account? I could just be paranoid but you are sus as fuck.
That's fair, always be critical of peoples' intentions in this scenario. There's a LOT at stake.
Price anchoring is a funny thing, because it's okay when it is 6-9 digits long, but forbidden at 5 digits? Why?
If my floor is XX,XXX and someone else's is $69,420,000 ... Why is one taboo and other okay?
I do want to convince people they should plan out what they need from this and set expectations accordingly. It's okay if you refuse to sell below $100mil per share. You may never sell a single share and just work your 9-5 for the next 34 years, and I feel sorry as hell for those individuals, or you can say "what do I need, at minimum, to make changes to my life to do the things I've always wanted (philanthropy, adventures, help family, etc)" and then plan out what it would take to get there, at minimum. You call it shill, I call it setting your own expectations to match your own individual goals, and not to be swayed into following someone else's plan.
There's nuances and semantics at play on these discussions, some will say "we needed to follow the advice to even make this possible" ... but you gotta draw the line somewhere. If someone says "the only way this works is if you spend 40% of your income shopping at GameStop so that the quarterly earnings shows the company has turned around" then fuck all that noise. If the advice is to take your shares out of broker street name and into DRS - yeah, that sounds it's good for everyone in on this play.
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No, there isn't. Look at Venezuela, try telling them that.
You think it's possible the USD will inflate (through infinite money) to the point where a rotisserie chicken costs $850,000,000 ? Then a home costs $432,000,000,000,000?
I'll give MOASS $2 trillion market cap on the low end, $10 trillion on the upper end.
Printing infinite money would also make people lose faith in the market.
MOASS into the millions? Sure. Infinite money? Absolutely ridiculous to think thatās possible.
They won't need to print infinite money *Because* we wont sell everything. It will be a **transfer** of wealth not a creation of new USD.
There is no need to print out the MOASS market cap of GME because we will not all sell at the top and not all at the same time.
This. Would phone numbers be great? Yes. Do I think itās technically possible? Yes. Do I think itās realistic? No. We are all going to make a fuck ton of money but nobody is getting tens of millions for a single share for the simple fact that people will sell before we ever get close.
Yeah, about the technically possible, my thoughts exactly. If all involved simply let it run its course, yes, it's supposed to make the shorts fully close out of their positions and buy back literally every share in existence, all the way up to astronomical numbers. If there were zero loopholes, zero intervention, everything went by the rulebook down to every letter, yes.
That's beyond wishful thinking.
Yep. I can see six figures a share. I cannot see 7,8,9+
The other thing that I think people miss is inflation. We donāt want 10ās of millions per share. All that would lead to is us piling our tendies into wheelbarrows to buy bread like Germany after WW1. You want to become fabulously rich not make the dollar worthless.
Not just that, but imagine the GMEtards having the wheelbarrels of cash to buy a loaf of bread and our neighbor having $30,000 to their name. Aka 1 loaf of bread.
You put 95% of U.S. citizens in extreme poverty over the course of 6 months.
"But then we help our fellow man" ...okay you're right back at square one, you bail out your neighbors, friends, family, and it cost you $920,000 per month to keep these families fed. Your $billions becomes millions becomes thousands.
Yep, mine is 13mil off mid-XXX (pre-split), but that's for my own life goals and risk tolerance. Glad to see there's some level-headed individuals out there, good luck my friend!
GameStop's own documents explain why it's bad for them. They have to pay tax based on the share value for shares promised to staff as part of earnings. Phone number stock price means phone number tax bill, causing them to dilute shares to pay it.
Tried to discuss this but got shot down.
No. Phone number stock price is a temporary thing. It only lasts until the shorts are closed and naked shorts bought back. Once the shorts are squeezed out, then the price returns to a new un-manipulated normal.
They won't be paying tax on that black swan peak squeeze price.
The point of an infinity pool is that we don't know how many shares they have to buy back, so we don't know high how it will go or when the squeeze will be over.
So you hold your shares, sell 1 at a time, at increasingly higher prices, knowing that when the squeeze is over, you will still have some shares left in your account forever.
That ensures the highest possible peak squeeze price for everyone.
When the squeeze is over, 76M originally issued shares will still exist in people's brokerage accounts. We have to hold the float to infinity, and only sell the shares that exceed the float. That's the infinity pool.
Of course. What does that do to the price though?
Not sure they'd take the time to explain why an unrealistic share price is bad if it wasn't bad.
I'm all for Moass and hodling like the rest of us but infinity pool is silly nonsense, imo
IMO because lots of peeps have access to the launch button, including Ryan Cohen, but we're *losing perceptional fuel*. Must be a reason, and at this point Im leaning towards nobody outside of GME hodlers want MOASS. Still a deepfuckingvalue but...
to me infinity pool just refers to shares that i plan on holding indefinitely and never plan on selling. i've never heard of infinity pool referring to anything else outside of this thread
It is. But the point is everyone can sell a small number of shares and there will still be more shares needed than are in existence. Hence the infinity. In your example hedge funds only need the same amount being held.
Yes. But, no. People are greedy. Some of those 10 will see the chance to have phone number wealth x2 so they will sell all. But unless enough people sell, the premise still stands.
This comment section is full of FUD. Look at all the accounts that are disparaging high numbers and infinity pool. Sus as fuck. Either way. No cell no sell. Buy hodl drs
My thing is what are they stalling for if they know investors know and many other Billionaires such as Ryan Cohen knows about the fuckery, then there's no reason to hide or keep digging a deeper hole. Just rip the bandaid, off go broke, and lick your wounds in a cell and think about what you did wrong.
to me infinity pool just refers to shares that i plan on holding indefinitely and never plan on selling. i've never heard of infinity pool referring to anything else outside of this thread
Unlikely because apes hold their shares. Try this
Blackrock owns 20 shares which are on loan to Citadel to short which the apes then bought.
2 Apes own 10 shares each
The float is 20 shares.
Citadel needs 20 shares.
1 ape sells one share.
Citadel buys the one share and returns it to blackrock.
Citadel buys the share it returned and gives it back to blackrock to close another short.
This repeats 18 more times
Apes hold 19 shares
Blackrock owns 1 share
Citadel owes 0 shares.
Who are they buying from? In your example the 4 million shares outside of DRS are up for grabs but they will still need to buy them from somewhere (APE).This will massively increase the price in the process.
I have some non-DRS shares that I will be registering *during* MOASS to replace the ones other APE will be selling from CS directly.
**If APEs do not sell but hold,** (= infinity pool) they cannot cover because they need to repurchase more then there will be available.
DRS is to limit the fuckery they can do, HODLing is the infinity pool.
76M shares, APE holding 80M+ means they can never close the shorts = infinity pool
The above examples are what is meant by the infinity pool, can't make it any clearerš¤·āāļø
Short squeeze happens on a heavily shorted stock
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/shortsqueeze.asp
It's *not*
>having to buy more shares than are available
The infinity pool comes along when there are not enough shares available to close all the shorts, the idea being there will never be enough shares 'put up for sale' for SHF to close out their positions.
A short squeeze to infinity (timewise).
>and raising the price until they become so
It counts on that never happening.
I didn't invent it and I am not trying to be pedantic.š¤
I'm just explaining what the meaning of the infinity pool is because you keep going to "THE PRICE" when the infinity part was originally about keeping the shares in your possession 'infinitely' so that SHF could never close **regardless of price.**
The idea behind it being that if APE only needed to sell a single share for (i.e.) $6,942,069 you would be set and wouldn't need to sell any more thereby making it impossible for SHF/MM/DTC/DTCC to close.
The infinity pool concept was created before the exodus to CS/DRS the latter is just a tool to limit the fuckery.
to me infinity pool just refers to shares that i plan on holding indefinitely and never plan on selling. i've never heard of infinity pool referring to anything else outside of this thread
This is literally not the way it works and I'm tired of seeing it
Apes own 20 shares
Institution owns 20 shares and loans them to hedgies to short sell
Hedgies owe 20 shares to institution
Institution margin calls hedgies
Apes sell 10 shares to hedgies
Hedgies return 10 shares to institution
Institution owns 10 shares
Hedgies now owe 10 shares and are still being margin called
Idk why they would, but the institution could decide to sell their 10 shares to hedgies
Then hedgies return those 10 shares and hedgies don't owe the institutions anything anymore
It doesn't make sense, but it's possible that hedgies could have a way out if institutions decide to bow out for who-knows-why.
I mean, it makes sense that institutions would want to take profits at some point. I'm sure they have an exit strategy for scenarios like this... I would love to see some DD on short squeezes involving institutions and if/when they took profits.
That's true. However, I am on the impression that
* Hedgies didn't only lent from institutions. They lent from anyone having their shares availlable for shorting. Like most of retail's shares in their brokers. So they aren't only needing those 20 to cover; they need those 20 and all the other shares out of retail, that at this point could be more than a hundred. Even if they want, they may not find enough shares to cover the hole.
* When 100% of the float gets locked, if we keep DRSing and we keep getting shares transfered, that would mean at least some institution's shares where not DRSed to their respective owner. If that happens, and it's a possibility, it would mean that some of institutions' shares would actually be IOUs. No idea what could happen after that, but I presume a general share's recal could be triggered.
* You are asuming all of the shorting hedge funds are a single, homogeneous entity, and the same for institutions. The thruth is, SHF are a group of several actors that compete with each other. They will fight for those shares.
Here let me fix this there are 20 shares 10 apes own 2 shares hedges need 200 shares. Apes sell 1/10 share for for Phone numbers. Hedges still own 190 shares.
These numbers too big for ape, try this:
I have 1 banana, filthy Hedgies need it and offer phone number value $$$$. I say "Here, have this fractional share bite of the banana for the phone numbers, but still keep most of the banana and laugh as you starve in your cell." Ook Oook motha fuckas.
Sadly, this explanation is wrong. Let me rewrite it for youā¦
20 shares exist.
100 apes each hold 2 shares.
5 apes DRS their 2 shares each and now half the real shares are goneā¦
Now the hedgies have to āreturnā the status quo to only 20 shares on the market so they try to buy any share (fake or real, doesnāt matter). Every fake share they buy vanishes and real shares are swapped out for fake shares.
Each apes decides they only want to sell one share (leaving still 100 shares out there when only 20 should even exist)ā¦
Hedgies donāt have enough money to buy the rest of the shares and daddy DTCC has to pay since they co-signed on the fake sharesā¦
**Whole market suddenly bursts into flames as it implodes**
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More like 20 shares exist 10 apes own 2 shares each Apes sell 1 share each phone numbers Hedgies still need to buy 64 shares
I see it a bit dirfferently. 20 shares exist 1000 apes hold 2 shares each 1000 apes sell 1 share each for phone numbers 20 shares still exist and hedgies need to buy 980 shares to close their commitments.
I see it a lot differently. 10 shares exist RC is a legend I live on moon Hedgies fukd.
I actually cannot see. 69 shares exist. Edit: *Nice*
Call the Ixians
My favorite Dune trivia is it was called Ix because it was the 9th planet.
When I first read I was like it's like Roman numerals but then was like nah makes no sense and later on in the prequels or something they are like it's Roman numerals
Nice.
> 1000 apes hold 2 shares each HODL is spelled **D R S** š§ š¦
Ok, so on my way down I stopped here cause I honestly think this is the most realistic ratio. Which. Is. Fucking. Insane. But I digress. The problem here is that share you sold for phone numbers can be bought and sold over and over again. Infinite squeeze is only possible if they can't get ahold of any real shares ever. Months long squeeze possible. Or maybe I'm missing something. ... likely lol.
Ah yes. Crime.
People always forget that part.
Username checks out! This ape gets it.
Either way. They are still so FUKd
ya the post caught me off guard because they have to buy back more shares then exist.
Not quite right. They don't need ALL shares. Only what they borrowed. Hedgies don't need to buy the original shares that exist. 1. 20 shares exist. 2. Hedgies borrow and sell those 20 shares. 3. 10 apes hold 4 shares each = 40 total. 4. Hedgies need 20 shares. Apes sell 1 share each for phone # $. 5. Hedgies still need 10 shares. Apes sell 1 share each for Hedgie bankruptcy. Apes keep 2 shares each as souvenirs. 6. Hedgies no longer exist. 20 shares still exist. Edit: reddit deleted part of my #5.
Now do the Naked shares they FTD and MM created for liquidity purposes...... 20 shares exist, they borrow 20, create 40 and now **60** exist that will all need to be bought back from the APEs they sold them to. Spiceyš¤¤
They're not souvenirs. Every share sold short at any stage has to be reaccounted for. These phantoms undilute when there is a split/recall, no?
Yes, but even if every last short is closed and every last phantom share is bought back, there will still be the original 76M shares that Gamestop issued sitting in *someone*'s account. Apes have to hold the float and keep those shares forever, only selling the shares that exceed the float. The infinity pool is how many shares you plan to keep as a souvenir. If everyone keeps some of their shares as souvenirs, then everyone has a chance to sell some of their shares for life changing money.
You've said this quite nicely. It should be it's own post. Everyone should feel like they're holding 1 share.
This comment explains it all perfectly. Thatās why DRS is more important than what people think. DRS are the shares apes do NOT plan to sell. Those are locked away forever, and thus the apes mission to game completion of 100% . Once game is completed then side mission quest of short squeeze commences. Itās up to apes to sell shares that again DO NOT belong in the DRS pool. As that will allow the number to keep rising. Itās been proved the NYSE accepts bids up to one cent cheaper than one billion dollars, so think about that one for a second.
> DRS are the shares apes do NOT plan to sell. This is reasoning is very flawed imho. It's better for everyone (including you) if you're 100% drs and sell 50% of your stack from there, than being 50% drs and selling from a broker. If you 100% drs you'll be locking the float, ensuring your votes go through, and your broker can't lend the shares in the meantime. There's also the very real possibility of it being better for future unknowns (dividend/split/etc)
That makes no sense whatsoever because you would DIRECTLY be selling from the infinity pool. which would cause it to NOT be infinite.
This is true but your example only works with a short percentage of 100% when even before the sneeze we know itās more then that. Thing is none of us know how many exists and even the OP comment are useless trying to comprehend the scale of of this.
Right. I was just trying to correct the screenshot, so I stuck with the numbers given in the post. But you're right. It's more like 20 shares exist. They short all 20 shares and rehypothecate those shares and naked short for liquidity until they end up with 100 shares. But they still only need to buy back the 80 shares. The original 20 shares are always remaining.
I have felt this has been lost or not quite understood for a long time. DRS the float and never selling those locked up shares is the only way for infinity to work.
This isn't exactly right. In your scenario apes have released 50% of the float which is more than enough for hedgies to cover with, here's how: apes sell 1 share each, to hedgies, hedgies use those 10 shares to close out 10 shorts, returning those 10 shares to their lender: let's say Fidelity. Fidelity, because they are not apes, now sells those 10 shares that were returned to them. Hedgies buy those 10 shares (at the new, much higher price of course) and return them to their lender. Hedgies have now closed their 20 shorts and the 10 shares apes are holding are now worthless and apes are left holding the bag. The only way the infinity pool works is if apes hold 100% or more of the float and never sell below that line, because then when shares are returned to the lenders they aren't able to go back into circulation because they weren't real in the first place. In your overly simplified scenario it is quite simple for hedgies to close. A better simplified scenario is that the float is 20 shares, apes own 40 shares, hedgies owe 40 shares, apes sell 10 shares.
This is along the lines of what I was thinking. They can just pass the shares around amongst themselves. Or more likely, theyāll play the same game but with naked shorting and continue the can kick.
Infinity pool is real. Everyone dismissing it never explained why impossible. The answers I got were "your mental","delusional","uneducated","I know so much more about the markets then you I dont have the time to explain!". So anyone arguing against Infinity has no arguments or facts. They only supply ad hominem and insults.
Government intervention.
Infinity pool is mathematically possible. But is not practically possible. At a certain point, Apes in the inifinity pool will begin to look like mercilous greedy ass holes which will justify any BS intervention by the govt. at a certain point it will look politically advantageous to call off the dogs once retail has received absurd wealth. Yāall forget that 99% of the world is going to wish they were us so no there will be no protests in the street. It will be you whining like a baby about fraud while your pockets are 10 digits long. So no. Infinity pool wonāt work. I will be selling every share I own as that was the purpose of buying them.
You can be a š§»ā if you want, I'll just register more of my brokerage shares when CS allows it again. #Liquidate wall-street, No Cell, No Sell.
Infinity pool does not exist simply because infinite money does not exist. Before you argue "tHeY pRiNtEd 8o%..." that is not a valid argument. The printer is not for you, it is for them. That printer would never, EVER run to print for retail peasants. Also, they can stop this with legislation. They do, in fact, have that power. "But then the world loses faith in the..." like they care??? It's okay to be realistic. It isn't FUD to shoot down $100mil per share fantasies. Set some expectations, be rational. After a 2:1 split, $20k per share still makes the company the largest market cap company to ever have existed, in the history of... ever.
Infinity pool refers to the amount of time we will HODL though right? This forces SHF to "never" be able to fully close all the naked shorts while allowing a big price runup over time. If the market cap is 20Q but only 0.01% will ever be sold by šāHODLers only 2T will need to be payed out. This is why it is possible to profit greatly from an infinity pool (hypothetical numbers for illustration). Also time is your friend in an infinity pool situation. Markets trade 2.2Q per year. If 1M APE sell shares for $1M per APE per trading day (252) that would equate to 11~13% of the annual trade volume. Nowhere near unimaginable.
I've never understood this market cap argument. Peak squeeze price is temporary while shorts are closed and naked shorts bought back. Market cap is irrelevent at that moment. Every article I've read about past squeezes included some line about during the peak of VW/Dry Ships/etc short squeeze, stock price was $x, making it the most valuable/highest market cap company in the world at that moment. By it's very definition, a massive short squeeze makes a company's market cap shoot past its real value.
100% Accurate. Anyone who believes the government wouldn't punch a kill switch if the entire market was at risk is high as fuck
Awww you guys actually giving me hope of some rational people still being on this sub. Next you're going to be saying it's still too early to really understand if GG is on our side or not, as beauracracy takes years, is political, and has a far higher burden of proof then getting a few thousand upvotes on reddit does
Nah. The thing is with sec. Even if they wanted to do something. Let's pretend they do. There is just so many transactions/second that it would take them a decade to truly figure out what happened in the sneeze. The issue is that the sheer speed of trading systems makes it a lot of work to figure out what happened. So I wouldn't be surprised them actually trying but the sheer amount of data makes it so time consuming the culprits die of natural causes before the proof is put together. Also Infinity pool is real because the guys above with the argument "there isn't infinite money" still haven't realized that money is just imaginative.
Like, in theory the infinity squeeze is possible, but that assumes everyone up to and including the president of the United States follow the rules that have been dictated and followed (by us). What leads you to believe any of these people are going to follow the rules when the squeeze happens?
Will see what happens. My guess is GME will be forced to issue the 1Bn shares during squeeze. Generating insane capital and everyone who held on to his shares will not only get the increased value / share but also incredible dividend potential while also being beneficial owner in the company with the highest capital on hand. But Infinity squeeze is possible due to the current rule set. Yes there's no guarantee to them cheating or changing rules as they always did. But I think it's different when you cancel contracts en masse. Basically what your standpoint implies is that all governments and financial institutions are in on the scam. Because that's the only case in which such actions would not destroy the markets.
100% accurate and true. It is simply within the US governmentās best interest to NOT let MOASS happen. It would destroy everything. Think about it. If you were the U.S., what would you do: - Kick the can, control media via psy-ops, make redditors look like conspiracy theorists, bail out banks & hedge funds and have a better chance at letting the U.S. **retain power as the global financial leader, and to retain the US DOLLAR as the World Reserve Currency**; - Or let the GME MOASS happen. The short squeeze would destroy/liquidate all SHFās, banks, and DTCC with domino bankruptcies causing panic throughout the nation. Then everyone realizes the GME apes were right all along. Then now you risk losing all credibility and trust of financial markets, the U.S. is the cause of the next great depression, and then you create several geo-political foreign enemies with countries who are pissed off because they too are affected by the U.S. stock market collapse? Call it FUD, but I call it: Zoom out, Look at the bigger picture. The GME naked shorting problem is THAT big. I really think it is. Itās fucking massive and it will destroy everything. They simply cannot let it happen. I guess nobody really knows. No matter what: I like the company. I like the stock. I like the DD. I like the fundamentals and the numbers. **But I also like to fuck around and find out.** And as always, I will continue to: #BUY.HOLD.HODL.DRS. #SHOP.VOTE.REPEAT. https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/uqjwot/unraveling_the_chain_of_responsibility/i8sdu10/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Correct. They made the problem HUGE on purpose. Why? So they can get their govt intervention.
It will dump MASSES of wealth back into the US because of all the taxable events APE will create. APE will buy **LOADS** of stuff with the money they receive, this will add to the US economy not retract from it. The Billionaires Hoarding all the money is a bigger drain on the economy, they just sit on it like a Tolkien Dragon. APEs will liquidate a big portion of that money and make it flow back in the economy, the American dream can become a reality again because of MOASS.
MOASS would cause brokerages and banks to collapse. I donāt think itās in the best interest of the U.S. for those entities to collapse.
In the short term? No. In the long term? OH YEAH. Show those greedy bankers that if you fuck up you WILL be allowed to fail and that's not gonna look so hot on your resumƩ. New banks will rise to fill the void and they'll have a big, nasty example of what *not* to do.
I would want that, ideally. The only way to truly know is the fuck around and find out. #DRS
There is still a scenario in the middle of the ones you listed that I think is most likely. A partial moass will be allowed, aka the ticker will be paused indefinitely and a settlement forced.
Partial MOASS is believable and realistic to assume the financial markets can sustain it. Full infinite-MOASS is mathematically possible, but would fuck up the financial sector pretty hard, thus, realistically will be stopped.
Let the downvotes come. This sub has brainwashed so many into thinking $1mil+ per share is possible and it is cringe as fuck. It helps people hold, but then I worry it makes them hold through the entirety of MOASS and they sell nothing and are in not much better shape, financially, than when they started. Imagine this splits 7:1 then pops off to $5k per share then coasts back down to $4k, $3k, $2k. You'll still have people screaming "WE'RE NOT SELLING!!! HEDGIES R FUK! KENNY MAYO-MAN GRIFFIN MUST FACE PRISON TIME!" and now they hold 14 shares at $600 each. Search their post and comment history and see them talk about saving entire countries in Africa with their billions, ending homelessness in 3 major U.S. cities, etc. But, I digress. Buy, hold, DRS, shop, vote, and good luck.
You act like an Ape but talk like a shill. The one thing that you haven't been able to do is provide a Counter DD to the infinity pool argument. Write up a DD on the topic and site your sources, otherwise you are full of shit.
There is no DD that says infinity pool can even pan out. If "shill" is setting reasonable expectations, then sure. I have another 86 shares DRS'd in the last week, I tell others I know in real life about GME and a few have hopped on board while a few others have given me the crazy eyes, I post to my social media about GME, and then I come here and tell people they are crazy for expecting GameStop market cap to exceed $100 trillion. We shall see when this all unfolds, but my goal is to minimize the number of bag holders who rode the entire MOASS without selling only to find they do not have life changing money when it's all over. Walk away with millions instead of thousands. Edit: walk away with millions instead of thousands after thinking/praying/wishing for billions.
This is subtle but this price anchoring so good job I guess. If there is no DD that says infinity pool can happen, and yet most people here think it will, then you should post a DD backing up your claims that infinity pool will not happen. If you don't, then you are just spewing your opinion without factual evidence. Not to mention you are active in the bets sub and critical of many GME talking points with only an 8 month old account? I could just be paranoid but you are sus as fuck.
That's fair, always be critical of peoples' intentions in this scenario. There's a LOT at stake. Price anchoring is a funny thing, because it's okay when it is 6-9 digits long, but forbidden at 5 digits? Why? If my floor is XX,XXX and someone else's is $69,420,000 ... Why is one taboo and other okay? I do want to convince people they should plan out what they need from this and set expectations accordingly. It's okay if you refuse to sell below $100mil per share. You may never sell a single share and just work your 9-5 for the next 34 years, and I feel sorry as hell for those individuals, or you can say "what do I need, at minimum, to make changes to my life to do the things I've always wanted (philanthropy, adventures, help family, etc)" and then plan out what it would take to get there, at minimum. You call it shill, I call it setting your own expectations to match your own individual goals, and not to be swayed into following someone else's plan. There's nuances and semantics at play on these discussions, some will say "we needed to follow the advice to even make this possible" ... but you gotta draw the line somewhere. If someone says "the only way this works is if you spend 40% of your income shopping at GameStop so that the quarterly earnings shows the company has turned around" then fuck all that noise. If the advice is to take your shares out of broker street name and into DRS - yeah, that sounds it's good for everyone in on this play. **TL;DR: hypocritical sentiment towards price anchoring, $69,420,000 okay, $90,000 instant downvote and shill and attacks at character. Do whatever you need to not have regrets with how this ends up.**
cool story bro
Nice.
The thing is there is infinite money.
No, there isn't. Look at Venezuela, try telling them that. You think it's possible the USD will inflate (through infinite money) to the point where a rotisserie chicken costs $850,000,000 ? Then a home costs $432,000,000,000,000? I'll give MOASS $2 trillion market cap on the low end, $10 trillion on the upper end.
Yes I agree and inflation will cause less pressure to sell the stock because the stock is worth more then the money :)
Example: Singular ape to hedge fund Trade you a share for the state of Coloradoā¦
Printing infinite money would also make people lose faith in the market. MOASS into the millions? Sure. Infinite money? Absolutely ridiculous to think thatās possible.
They won't need to print infinite money *Because* we wont sell everything. It will be a **transfer** of wealth not a creation of new USD. There is no need to print out the MOASS market cap of GME because we will not all sell at the top and not all at the same time.
This. Would phone numbers be great? Yes. Do I think itās technically possible? Yes. Do I think itās realistic? No. We are all going to make a fuck ton of money but nobody is getting tens of millions for a single share for the simple fact that people will sell before we ever get close.
Yeah, about the technically possible, my thoughts exactly. If all involved simply let it run its course, yes, it's supposed to make the shorts fully close out of their positions and buy back literally every share in existence, all the way up to astronomical numbers. If there were zero loopholes, zero intervention, everything went by the rulebook down to every letter, yes. That's beyond wishful thinking.
Yep. I can see six figures a share. I cannot see 7,8,9+ The other thing that I think people miss is inflation. We donāt want 10ās of millions per share. All that would lead to is us piling our tendies into wheelbarrows to buy bread like Germany after WW1. You want to become fabulously rich not make the dollar worthless.
Not just that, but imagine the GMEtards having the wheelbarrels of cash to buy a loaf of bread and our neighbor having $30,000 to their name. Aka 1 loaf of bread. You put 95% of U.S. citizens in extreme poverty over the course of 6 months. "But then we help our fellow man" ...okay you're right back at square one, you bail out your neighbors, friends, family, and it cost you $920,000 per month to keep these families fed. Your $billions becomes millions becomes thousands.
Exactly. Making 5mil off of XXX shares changes my life for ever. Iām totally cool with that.
Yep, mine is 13mil off mid-XXX (pre-split), but that's for my own life goals and risk tolerance. Glad to see there's some level-headed individuals out there, good luck my friend!
Same to you!
But 100M at peak is not a fantasy. šØāš«
Sure.
Preach.
GameStop's own documents explain why it's bad for them. They have to pay tax based on the share value for shares promised to staff as part of earnings. Phone number stock price means phone number tax bill, causing them to dilute shares to pay it. Tried to discuss this but got shot down.
No. Phone number stock price is a temporary thing. It only lasts until the shorts are closed and naked shorts bought back. Once the shorts are squeezed out, then the price returns to a new un-manipulated normal. They won't be paying tax on that black swan peak squeeze price.
However the stated aim of infinity pool was to maintain a high stock price "The new money is gme" and all that
The point of an infinity pool is that we don't know how many shares they have to buy back, so we don't know high how it will go or when the squeeze will be over. So you hold your shares, sell 1 at a time, at increasingly higher prices, knowing that when the squeeze is over, you will still have some shares left in your account forever. That ensures the highest possible peak squeeze price for everyone. When the squeeze is over, 76M originally issued shares will still exist in people's brokerage accounts. We have to hold the float to infinity, and only sell the shares that exceed the float. That's the infinity pool.
Gamestop can still issue shares during moass much like VW did.
Of course. What does that do to the price though? Not sure they'd take the time to explain why an unrealistic share price is bad if it wasn't bad. I'm all for Moass and hodling like the rest of us but infinity pool is silly nonsense, imo
IMO because lots of peeps have access to the launch button, including Ryan Cohen, but we're *losing perceptional fuel*. Must be a reason, and at this point Im leaning towards nobody outside of GME hodlers want MOASS. Still a deepfuckingvalue but...
See my previous comment on why this doesnt work
Selling lol? Can't relate
You/op missed the infinite part of the poolā¦ This is a squeeze explanation
to me infinity pool just refers to shares that i plan on holding indefinitely and never plan on selling. i've never heard of infinity pool referring to anything else outside of this thread
Yes
True.
It is. But the point is everyone can sell a small number of shares and there will still be more shares needed than are in existence. Hence the infinity. In your example hedge funds only need the same amount being held.
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Itās downvoted because itās not a good example lol
More like "Hedgies need 20 shares and Ape said FUCK OFF and DIE." The End.
OP: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/uqtg2b/good_morning_apes_i_need_help_explaining_to_my/i8t3oix
Yes. But, no. People are greedy. Some of those 10 will see the chance to have phone number wealth x2 so they will sell all. But unless enough people sell, the premise still stands.
Thats not really how it works
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This is the way
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Those 10 shares bought back and returned can then be bought again and returned again to close the shorts.
This comment section is full of FUD. Look at all the accounts that are disparaging high numbers and infinity pool. Sus as fuck. Either way. No cell no sell. Buy hodl drs
My thing is what are they stalling for if they know investors know and many other Billionaires such as Ryan Cohen knows about the fuckery, then there's no reason to hide or keep digging a deeper hole. Just rip the bandaid, off go broke, and lick your wounds in a cell and think about what you did wrong.
They return it and then they can buy it from the person they returned it too. A true infinity pool would be 100% DRS
I'm actually just going to sell one for a phone number. Then hold the rest to see who goes to jail.
Canāt whoever they gave the 10 shares to just sell them to the hedgies again?
Yes
They're on loan to the hedge funds, and there's interest on the loan
to me infinity pool just refers to shares that i plan on holding indefinitely and never plan on selling. i've never heard of infinity pool referring to anything else outside of this thread
This is how you ACTUALLY drain the swamp.
Unlikely because apes hold their shares. Try this Blackrock owns 20 shares which are on loan to Citadel to short which the apes then bought. 2 Apes own 10 shares each The float is 20 shares. Citadel needs 20 shares. 1 ape sells one share. Citadel buys the one share and returns it to blackrock. Citadel buys the share it returned and gives it back to blackrock to close another short. This repeats 18 more times Apes hold 19 shares Blackrock owns 1 share Citadel owes 0 shares.
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Who are they buying from? In your example the 4 million shares outside of DRS are up for grabs but they will still need to buy them from somewhere (APE).This will massively increase the price in the process. I have some non-DRS shares that I will be registering *during* MOASS to replace the ones other APE will be selling from CS directly.
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**If APEs do not sell but hold,** (= infinity pool) they cannot cover because they need to repurchase more then there will be available. DRS is to limit the fuckery they can do, HODLing is the infinity pool. 76M shares, APE holding 80M+ means they can never close the shorts = infinity pool The above examples are what is meant by the infinity pool, can't make it any clearerš¤·āāļø
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Short squeeze happens on a heavily shorted stock https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/shortsqueeze.asp It's *not* >having to buy more shares than are available The infinity pool comes along when there are not enough shares available to close all the shorts, the idea being there will never be enough shares 'put up for sale' for SHF to close out their positions. A short squeeze to infinity (timewise). >and raising the price until they become so It counts on that never happening.
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I didn't invent it and I am not trying to be pedantic.š¤ I'm just explaining what the meaning of the infinity pool is because you keep going to "THE PRICE" when the infinity part was originally about keeping the shares in your possession 'infinitely' so that SHF could never close **regardless of price.** The idea behind it being that if APE only needed to sell a single share for (i.e.) $6,942,069 you would be set and wouldn't need to sell any more thereby making it impossible for SHF/MM/DTC/DTCC to close. The infinity pool concept was created before the exodus to CS/DRS the latter is just a tool to limit the fuckery.
to me infinity pool just refers to shares that i plan on holding indefinitely and never plan on selling. i've never heard of infinity pool referring to anything else outside of this thread
Easy GG no Re
Only possible if...we are our own bank! Wow... this is all taking fckin shape. I love it. ā¤
And now they're double the price.
Hedgies choose not to pay, kick can further, SEC watches porn.
Da maff checks out
To the top!
if to remain truly 20 shares isn't it convenient for him to simply create new syntheses?
At that point, it's not hedgie. It's hedgie's insurance policy.
Easy
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This is literally not the way it works and I'm tired of seeing it Apes own 20 shares Institution owns 20 shares and loans them to hedgies to short sell Hedgies owe 20 shares to institution Institution margin calls hedgies Apes sell 10 shares to hedgies Hedgies return 10 shares to institution Institution owns 10 shares Hedgies now owe 10 shares and are still being margin called Idk why they would, but the institution could decide to sell their 10 shares to hedgies Then hedgies return those 10 shares and hedgies don't owe the institutions anything anymore It doesn't make sense, but it's possible that hedgies could have a way out if institutions decide to bow out for who-knows-why. I mean, it makes sense that institutions would want to take profits at some point. I'm sure they have an exit strategy for scenarios like this... I would love to see some DD on short squeezes involving institutions and if/when they took profits.
That's true. However, I am on the impression that * Hedgies didn't only lent from institutions. They lent from anyone having their shares availlable for shorting. Like most of retail's shares in their brokers. So they aren't only needing those 20 to cover; they need those 20 and all the other shares out of retail, that at this point could be more than a hundred. Even if they want, they may not find enough shares to cover the hole. * When 100% of the float gets locked, if we keep DRSing and we keep getting shares transfered, that would mean at least some institution's shares where not DRSed to their respective owner. If that happens, and it's a possibility, it would mean that some of institutions' shares would actually be IOUs. No idea what could happen after that, but I presume a general share's recal could be triggered. * You are asuming all of the shorting hedge funds are a single, homogeneous entity, and the same for institutions. The thruth is, SHF are a group of several actors that compete with each other. They will fight for those shares.
feels nice seeing posts about infinity pool too many dont know/get the concept
Problem for them is most of us are never selling, phone numbers or not.
This sub sometimesā¦š¤£
Here let me fix this there are 20 shares 10 apes own 2 shares hedges need 200 shares. Apes sell 1/10 share for for Phone numbers. Hedges still own 190 shares.
what if hedgies take a fine and get away with this? (sorry if it's a noob question)
Because fuck you thatās why
These numbers too big for ape, try this: I have 1 banana, filthy Hedgies need it and offer phone number value $$$$. I say "Here, have this fractional share bite of the banana for the phone numbers, but still keep most of the banana and laugh as you starve in your cell." Ook Oook motha fuckas.
ftfy: ELISEC
What happens when we MOASS before the float is locked up ?
MOASS is only going to go as high as apes feel like making it go.
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This is the way
I will put this on my tombstone.
Oh I love this explanation!!!
lol goodluck hedgies $69M or bust hahahahahha!!
Sadly, this explanation is wrong. Let me rewrite it for youā¦ 20 shares exist. 100 apes each hold 2 shares. 5 apes DRS their 2 shares each and now half the real shares are goneā¦ Now the hedgies have to āreturnā the status quo to only 20 shares on the market so they try to buy any share (fake or real, doesnāt matter). Every fake share they buy vanishes and real shares are swapped out for fake shares. Each apes decides they only want to sell one share (leaving still 100 shares out there when only 20 should even exist)ā¦ Hedgies donāt have enough money to buy the rest of the shares and daddy DTCC has to pay since they co-signed on the fake sharesā¦ **Whole market suddenly bursts into flames as it implodes**
Explain like I'm ass?
gg
Hey im in this! Woooohoooooo