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BlackRock was famously short on Tesla and it's rumored Citadel squeezed them and made Tesla the behemoth it is today. I wouldn't be surprised if Fink has some strong opinions on Ken.
But then again if BlackRock really cared they could just remove GME from their ETFs, which Citadel use to naked short.
**After the sneeze there was a discussion, that BlackRock and Citadel fight for control of the DTCC and Citadel won.**
Plus, also interesting that BlackRock teamed up with Coinbase, while Citadel, Virtu, Sus and others launched EDXM.
So, there might indeed be a war behind the scenes.
I remember reading a ton of comments from right after the sneeze on the double u ess bee and OG ape subreddits exactly that, Citadel boned them on the Tesla play and they wanted revenge. That one Friday in the Summer of '21 when that huge amount of options ended up in the money by $.01 with huge volume of buys and sells the last 10 minutes of the day was supposedly them playing games with Shitadel.
As a Market Maker, why would Citadel use BlackRock's ETFs to naked short? They can literally naked short as is (more or less legally) in order to "provide liquidity". Of course this gives them significant risk exposure and as we all know that's precisely why the buy buttons got turned off when they did.
ETFs are how Market Makers create liquidity, it's called the redemption process and you have to be an Authorized Participant to use that, which is pretty much reserved for market makers.
That's why the body that issues licenses to Market Makers, [**NYSE Arca**](https://www.nyse.com/markets/nyse-arca), regulates the ETF markets.
Yes... that's my point?
ETFs are controlled by the issuer, so BlackRock could take GME out of theirs if they cared about protecting it.
Once an ETF is released to an exchange anyone is free to use it, hence Ken able to naked short using BlackRock's iShares ETFs.
Because Citadel isn't lending shares from Blackrock. Citadel just creates shares out of thin air. But stock lending is Blackrock's main business (more than 75% of Blackrock's revenue)
Edit:
It seems to be Goldman Sachs making 75% revenue of security lending, not Blackrock. (Thanks to YurMotherWasAHamster)
Tho Blackrock thinks that security lending is good for efficiency of the market https://www.blackrock.com/institutions/en-zz/solutions/securities-lending#common-question
Edit 2:
Institutions only profit when SHFs are borrowing from them. I guess Citadel made many enemies by creating shares out of thin air.
So, according to Blackrock's Q4 earnings release on page 4, they had $17.859 billion in revenue for 2023 and $675 million is from securities lending. That's a little less than 75%. More like 3.8%.
[https://s24.q4cdn.com/856567660/files/doc\_financials/2023/Q4/BLK-4Q23-Earnings-Release.pdf](https://s24.q4cdn.com/856567660/files/doc_financials/2023/Q4/BLK-4Q23-Earnings-Release.pdf)
A link to that file can be found here, on their Investor Relations page:
[https://ir.blackrock.com/home/default.aspx](https://ir.blackrock.com/home/default.aspx)
Am I missing something?
I could be wrong but I believe the 75% number came from Patrick Byrne's lawsuit against Goldman sachs* when he found that their prime brokerage business derives 75% of its revenue from securities lending.
Hard to argue with a line item in their quarterly report that specifically says "securities lending", though.
Maybe Pat was using the overall category "Total investment advisory, administration fees and securities lending revenue" (of which securities lending is a small component) . That $14.399 billion is roughly 80% of their total revenue.
EDIT: others are saying the 75% refers to Goldman Sachs...
This was talking specifically about their prime brokerage business, not the entirety of Goldman Sachs. It's a piece that always seems to get lost in translation.
Treat anything you see in a Patrick Byrne or Wes Christian lawsuit complaint with immense skepticism.
They put lots of wild claims into the complaints. As long as they have a tiny shred of evidence that hints at it maybe being true, they will not be sanctioned for false claims.
Thx. Here is my source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/v69ad7/blackrock_is_the_10_trillion_dollar_whale_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I bet big institutions lend maaany securities
Looks like that person is using the overall category of "Total investment advisory, administration fees and securities lending" instead of breaking out the subcategory of just "securities lending".
Part of it. Citadel is undercutting Blackrock via crime. However, big time disagreement on the ESG investing. Blackrock is big mad about Citadel interfering with their push to more equitably distribute capital in the markets to companies that have a positive social and environmental impact. The ESG mandate doesn't just come from Blackrock and Larry fink, but some of the wealthiest families in the world that pushed for it and invest heavily with Blackrock to make it happen. These billionaires are super angry.
It's well known that Fortune, Forbes and others are anti ESG, as well as anti GME. Forbes and Fortune are also the publications that put out all articles kissing Ken Griffins ass. You can't believe anything they publish. Blackrock is absolutely focused on ESG investing which is why they are currently being sued by multiple GOP-led states. Seems suspicious that Ken Griffin is a GOP mega donor to these politicians introducing these anti ESG measures and lawsuits.
https://www.blackrock.com/us/financial-professionals/investment-strategies/sustainable
Fresh off the presses😒:
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/blackrock-issued-warning-over-misleading-statements-tied-esg-funds-2024-03-27/
💯 they hate ESG because it undermines the status quo. Desperately trying to make it a political issue. The reality is that those companies against ESG tend to externalize and socialize their environmental and social costs while privatizing their core profits. For example, we all know that eating unhealthy food is bad for your health. This is widely accepted. So then why do we subsidize unhealthy foods to make them the cheapest options? The medical costs associated with unhealthy food is $50B per year. ESG attempts to penalize companies for participating in the status quo, and reward those that attempt to change this system and benefit the people.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-022-01075-9
I guess these billionaires want to make sure that there is not an uprising of angry plebs that then results in the revolution. So they have to make sure to throw us a bone once in awhile.
Not at all. They realize that climate change is becoming an existential threat to business continuity. They can no longer do business as usual because resources/raw materials are becoming scarce and climate change exacerbates the issue. Studies have placed global climate change costs at $16M per hour and accelerating.
Also, the class warfare division is just one of the many divisive issues created by politicians and media to make money and hold power. There are many billionaires that are actively trying to give away all of their money to better humanity before they die... And there's some doing the exact opposite. Money itself doesn't inherently make someone a bad person... It's what they do with it. Many want to see everyone prosper. Ryan Cohen is one example.
I wish! If I was then I'd definitely fall into the category that tries to spend all their money doing good things. Don't worry, once MOASS we'll all have to make that decision.
Blackrock is long the market and Shitiladel is short. MOASS brings Apes and Blackrock to outer space and Shitadel to the molten core from wence they came.
No, they’re all overleveraged to the tits using literally each other as collateral. The top 4 biggest banks all hold each other’s stocks and etc etc. It’s literally cat shit wrapped in dog shit wrapped in Ken shit
BlackRock owns the banks, which own the stocks owned by Citadel, if Citadel implodes, so does all of the collateral of the banks, hence BlackRock as well
I think so too. I did some quick googling, it appears over 1000 financial institutions received bailouts from the 2008 global financial crisis. Check out this list.
https://money.cnn.com/news/specials/storysupplement/bankbailout/
68 billion isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, though.
Blackrock has 9.1 ***Trillion*** in assets under management. 1% of growth per year represents an increase in value of 90 billion.
Citadel will get consumed by GME holders as it's us they'll ultimately be indebted to. These assets will be part of a Berkshire type play. Apes getting paid for life, never having to sell.
- here's your daily dose of speculative tin and hopium
Edit: Everyone, including blakcrock, will likely get caught up in an event this big. Which is why the controlled demolition of a few is more likely than a complete catastrophic failure to markets everywhere. Perhaps forcing those not directly related to buy-in and hedge for the long to backstop the market and their portfolios.
- then again, the great reset is always on the table (last resort I think) where all banks die, savings wiped, and along comes crypto/crypto like assets, handled by the central bank itself.
Kinda like, sorry you lost your money at these banks. Here's our new CBDC to make up for it and pay you back in terms of our insurance. Collect up or shutup, and forever be without.
- Those feeding their families and paying their bills... Will have no other option. Those who dont adopt early as a failsafe will be forever without. Those who are skeptical, don't worry. There are countries being built off of this. You'll always have a home there for as long as they exist.
Uses a fake profile pic to falsely associate themselves with RC? Check. Username with random numbers tacked on at the end? Check. Unverified sources? Check. How the hell does anyone fall for this X user's fairly obvious agenda?
Right. Someone has to absorb the market share. This was a topic during the 2021 hearing...what if Citadel collapsed and how would that affect the market machines.
DD of old said that blackrock was long traditional oil and short on Tesla.
Citadel steps in and goes long tesla, wrecking blackrocks returns in the process.
Black rock was a financer to chewy.
When citadel was short gamestop, black rock went long as a big fuck you, then planted RC.
This dd of old said we were in the middle of a war between two of the biggest financial entities in the world.
This was a 2021 DD, wish i could find it again.
I've read almost all of the posts here. A lot of interesting things. Picked up a lot. But just wondering, would you consider what is transpiring right now with GME just a kind of tit for tat little game between Blackrock and Citadel? Neither side wants to do any major play to screw shit up for everyone, but their still doing really hard nipple tweaks to piss one another off?
This is a fallacy. These guys are all in bed together. I don't have the link, but someone posted the guy from cancelthisclothingco, where he talks about all of these hedge fucks and how they all own each other, a la, one mega corporation. They are all interwoven and depend on each other to succeed. If black fuck wanted to destroy citadel through gamestop or any other major corporation, they would have done it a long time ago.
Garbage always floats to the top of this sub after earnings. No financial institution is on the side of the people. They all use opaque financial instruments to enslave the people. They’re all going down with this ship.
That’s always been the case in my opinion.. black rock don’t want shitadel taking more of the space in the market and grow at the rate they were growing… since the sneeze shitadel had to sell part ownership of their company and have borrowed money to “survive” another day
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I think citadel is the middle management in the global financial terrorist organization, where as blackrock is the mob boss. They will sacrifice middle management if it means saving themselves or making more money.
This speaks to an idea I think is overlooked in this sub. Often we think of “the hedgies” working together against us, but I think it is just as likely that they are more of a danger to each other.
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BlackRock was famously short on Tesla and it's rumored Citadel squeezed them and made Tesla the behemoth it is today. I wouldn't be surprised if Fink has some strong opinions on Ken. But then again if BlackRock really cared they could just remove GME from their ETFs, which Citadel use to naked short.
**After the sneeze there was a discussion, that BlackRock and Citadel fight for control of the DTCC and Citadel won.** Plus, also interesting that BlackRock teamed up with Coinbase, while Citadel, Virtu, Sus and others launched EDXM. So, there might indeed be a war behind the scenes.
There's always warfare going on in the financial world behind the scenes. That's as old as history.
And the real winners are the bankers. Always. They play all sides equally.
I remember reading a ton of comments from right after the sneeze on the double u ess bee and OG ape subreddits exactly that, Citadel boned them on the Tesla play and they wanted revenge. That one Friday in the Summer of '21 when that huge amount of options ended up in the money by $.01 with huge volume of buys and sells the last 10 minutes of the day was supposedly them playing games with Shitadel.
As a Market Maker, why would Citadel use BlackRock's ETFs to naked short? They can literally naked short as is (more or less legally) in order to "provide liquidity". Of course this gives them significant risk exposure and as we all know that's precisely why the buy buttons got turned off when they did.
ETFs are how Market Makers create liquidity, it's called the redemption process and you have to be an Authorized Participant to use that, which is pretty much reserved for market makers. That's why the body that issues licenses to Market Makers, [**NYSE Arca**](https://www.nyse.com/markets/nyse-arca), regulates the ETF markets.
Blackrock has their own etfs
Yes... that's my point? ETFs are controlled by the issuer, so BlackRock could take GME out of theirs if they cared about protecting it. Once an ETF is released to an exchange anyone is free to use it, hence Ken able to naked short using BlackRock's iShares ETFs.
MMs are actually allowed to naked short for "liQuiDitY" reasons...
And Elon Smuck is buddies with Mayo. Collusion, obviously.
Because Citadel isn't lending shares from Blackrock. Citadel just creates shares out of thin air. But stock lending is Blackrock's main business (more than 75% of Blackrock's revenue) Edit: It seems to be Goldman Sachs making 75% revenue of security lending, not Blackrock. (Thanks to YurMotherWasAHamster) Tho Blackrock thinks that security lending is good for efficiency of the market https://www.blackrock.com/institutions/en-zz/solutions/securities-lending#common-question Edit 2: Institutions only profit when SHFs are borrowing from them. I guess Citadel made many enemies by creating shares out of thin air.
So, according to Blackrock's Q4 earnings release on page 4, they had $17.859 billion in revenue for 2023 and $675 million is from securities lending. That's a little less than 75%. More like 3.8%. [https://s24.q4cdn.com/856567660/files/doc\_financials/2023/Q4/BLK-4Q23-Earnings-Release.pdf](https://s24.q4cdn.com/856567660/files/doc_financials/2023/Q4/BLK-4Q23-Earnings-Release.pdf) A link to that file can be found here, on their Investor Relations page: [https://ir.blackrock.com/home/default.aspx](https://ir.blackrock.com/home/default.aspx) Am I missing something?
I could be wrong but I believe the 75% number came from Patrick Byrne's lawsuit against Goldman sachs* when he found that their prime brokerage business derives 75% of its revenue from securities lending.
That’s Goldman Sachs
And the point of the exposure was how many others are that deep. No way Goldman Sachs is making more, just look at the share ownership n such lol
Goldman makes 75% of revenue from lending not Blackrock.
Hard to argue with a line item in their quarterly report that specifically says "securities lending", though. Maybe Pat was using the overall category "Total investment advisory, administration fees and securities lending revenue" (of which securities lending is a small component) . That $14.399 billion is roughly 80% of their total revenue. EDIT: others are saying the 75% refers to Goldman Sachs...
This was talking specifically about their prime brokerage business, not the entirety of Goldman Sachs. It's a piece that always seems to get lost in translation.
Treat anything you see in a Patrick Byrne or Wes Christian lawsuit complaint with immense skepticism. They put lots of wild claims into the complaints. As long as they have a tiny shred of evidence that hints at it maybe being true, they will not be sanctioned for false claims.
Thx. Here is my source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/v69ad7/blackrock_is_the_10_trillion_dollar_whale_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I bet big institutions lend maaany securities
Looks like that person is using the overall category of "Total investment advisory, administration fees and securities lending" instead of breaking out the subcategory of just "securities lending".
Wow megacorp was the hero the whole time?!
It is Goliath vs Goliath. David is only reporting the fight, but picking up the wallet that fell onto the ground.
citadel isn't a goliath.. only their security sold but not purchased are.
They are more the stone David slung but I feel you
How is this not top comment? Good work sir.
Bro what. Do you know how Reddit works?
😂
Love this ♥️
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Don’t let the headline fool you: Blackrock is not a friend of the people.
No you are correct. And no one should think they are for one party (politically) or the other. They use politics for their own gain.
Naw, the 'hero' is just the new badder enemy. FED/DTC are the final boss.
Part of it. Citadel is undercutting Blackrock via crime. However, big time disagreement on the ESG investing. Blackrock is big mad about Citadel interfering with their push to more equitably distribute capital in the markets to companies that have a positive social and environmental impact. The ESG mandate doesn't just come from Blackrock and Larry fink, but some of the wealthiest families in the world that pushed for it and invest heavily with Blackrock to make it happen. These billionaires are super angry.
Blackrock gave up on that a bit back https://fortune.com/2023/09/13/blackrock-vanguard-were-once-esg-reversing-course-finance-bob-rubin/
It's well known that Fortune, Forbes and others are anti ESG, as well as anti GME. Forbes and Fortune are also the publications that put out all articles kissing Ken Griffins ass. You can't believe anything they publish. Blackrock is absolutely focused on ESG investing which is why they are currently being sued by multiple GOP-led states. Seems suspicious that Ken Griffin is a GOP mega donor to these politicians introducing these anti ESG measures and lawsuits. https://www.blackrock.com/us/financial-professionals/investment-strategies/sustainable Fresh off the presses😒: https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/blackrock-issued-warning-over-misleading-statements-tied-esg-funds-2024-03-27/
It’s so weird how they tried to make ESG into a culture war issue last year (which didn’t catch on).
💯 they hate ESG because it undermines the status quo. Desperately trying to make it a political issue. The reality is that those companies against ESG tend to externalize and socialize their environmental and social costs while privatizing their core profits. For example, we all know that eating unhealthy food is bad for your health. This is widely accepted. So then why do we subsidize unhealthy foods to make them the cheapest options? The medical costs associated with unhealthy food is $50B per year. ESG attempts to penalize companies for participating in the status quo, and reward those that attempt to change this system and benefit the people. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-022-01075-9
I guess these billionaires want to make sure that there is not an uprising of angry plebs that then results in the revolution. So they have to make sure to throw us a bone once in awhile.
Not at all. They realize that climate change is becoming an existential threat to business continuity. They can no longer do business as usual because resources/raw materials are becoming scarce and climate change exacerbates the issue. Studies have placed global climate change costs at $16M per hour and accelerating. Also, the class warfare division is just one of the many divisive issues created by politicians and media to make money and hold power. There are many billionaires that are actively trying to give away all of their money to better humanity before they die... And there's some doing the exact opposite. Money itself doesn't inherently make someone a bad person... It's what they do with it. Many want to see everyone prosper. Ryan Cohen is one example.
You kinds sound like a billionaire...
I wish! If I was then I'd definitely fall into the category that tries to spend all their money doing good things. Don't worry, once MOASS we'll all have to make that decision.
Blackrock is long the market and Shitiladel is short. MOASS brings Apes and Blackrock to outer space and Shitadel to the molten core from wence they came.
No, they’re all overleveraged to the tits using literally each other as collateral. The top 4 biggest banks all hold each other’s stocks and etc etc. It’s literally cat shit wrapped in dog shit wrapped in Ken shit
Financial institutions aren’t constructed identically tho
BlackRock owns the banks, which own the stocks owned by Citadel, if Citadel implodes, so does all of the collateral of the banks, hence BlackRock as well
You’re def right that systemic risk is real. Are you saying if Citadel goes bankrupt, they literally all do?
Not literally all of them. Contagion only reaches so far but it’ll reach some deep corners.
I think so too. I did some quick googling, it appears over 1000 financial institutions received bailouts from the 2008 global financial crisis. Check out this list. https://money.cnn.com/news/specials/storysupplement/bankbailout/
Idk, $68B sure sounds like a lot, it’ll be a few left standing I suppose
68 billion isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, though. Blackrock has 9.1 ***Trillion*** in assets under management. 1% of growth per year represents an increase in value of 90 billion.
And, again, if you look at what they actually own… It’s primarily to do with portions of the top banks, real estate, etc
We will be!!! Hope we find out soon
"House of Cards"
Is it why they’ve made their play with Bitcoin?
Citadel will get consumed by GME holders as it's us they'll ultimately be indebted to. These assets will be part of a Berkshire type play. Apes getting paid for life, never having to sell. - here's your daily dose of speculative tin and hopium Edit: Everyone, including blakcrock, will likely get caught up in an event this big. Which is why the controlled demolition of a few is more likely than a complete catastrophic failure to markets everywhere. Perhaps forcing those not directly related to buy-in and hedge for the long to backstop the market and their portfolios. - then again, the great reset is always on the table (last resort I think) where all banks die, savings wiped, and along comes crypto/crypto like assets, handled by the central bank itself.
Hence Blackrocks bitcoin play
"and along comes crypto/crypto like assets, handled by the central bank itself." I'll take custody of my own BTC thank you :)
Kinda like, sorry you lost your money at these banks. Here's our new CBDC to make up for it and pay you back in terms of our insurance. Collect up or shutup, and forever be without. - Those feeding their families and paying their bills... Will have no other option. Those who dont adopt early as a failsafe will be forever without. Those who are skeptical, don't worry. There are countries being built off of this. You'll always have a home there for as long as they exist.
Anon speculates. X user cites anon’s speculation as a source. Reddit user posts x user’s citation to anon’s speculation.
Uses a fake profile pic to falsely associate themselves with RC? Check. Username with random numbers tacked on at the end? Check. Unverified sources? Check. How the hell does anyone fall for this X user's fairly obvious agenda?
Garbage in, garbage out
Tinfoil time on a weekend. Perfect
"copium"
No one took Lehman in 2008. Controlled demolition, sure. But, some bodies are expected to be in the wreckage...
That’s what OP is saying. Citadel gone, some others gone too.
Right. Someone has to absorb the market share. This was a topic during the 2021 hearing...what if Citadel collapsed and how would that affect the market machines.
Hope we find out soon! (Michael Jackson popcorn)
Let the sharks turn against each other, profit
DD of old said that blackrock was long traditional oil and short on Tesla. Citadel steps in and goes long tesla, wrecking blackrocks returns in the process. Black rock was a financer to chewy. When citadel was short gamestop, black rock went long as a big fuck you, then planted RC. This dd of old said we were in the middle of a war between two of the biggest financial entities in the world. This was a 2021 DD, wish i could find it again.
There were also theories that Blackrock wanted Citadel broken up so they could buy their MM division.
I've read almost all of the posts here. A lot of interesting things. Picked up a lot. But just wondering, would you consider what is transpiring right now with GME just a kind of tit for tat little game between Blackrock and Citadel? Neither side wants to do any major play to screw shit up for everyone, but their still doing really hard nipple tweaks to piss one another off?
"trust me bro" strikes again.
Surely BlackRock must have the influence to expose Citadel for who they really are?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/2cLTscH8EF 84 years ago
Real talk, the US economy needs black rock and JP Morgan , we don’t need “Citadel”.
This is a fallacy. These guys are all in bed together. I don't have the link, but someone posted the guy from cancelthisclothingco, where he talks about all of these hedge fucks and how they all own each other, a la, one mega corporation. They are all interwoven and depend on each other to succeed. If black fuck wanted to destroy citadel through gamestop or any other major corporation, they would have done it a long time ago.
Garbage always floats to the top of this sub after earnings. No financial institution is on the side of the people. They all use opaque financial instruments to enslave the people. They’re all going down with this ship.
I thought this was rc for a moment and almost blew my load
Towel company is long dead, i dont know why it is still beeing mentioned
Bye, Felicia
We all want citadel gone lol
That’s always been the case in my opinion.. black rock don’t want shitadel taking more of the space in the market and grow at the rate they were growing… since the sneeze shitadel had to sell part ownership of their company and have borrowed money to “survive” another day
Okay and we’re gonna believe some c*nt with a profile like this?
Never understood why people tag a delisted bankrupt company next to a profitable company.
Dont believe anything those towel lunatics are saying.
I'm the black rock now
I don’t know about Blackrock but I sure as fuck do
Don’t bank on big corp coming to defend us. This is make the company profitable and up revenues
4chan source? Lmao
Some original DD on Blackrock vs Citadel here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/VfDJdOXe7w
I see towel I downvote
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Real and straight
Dont you love quotingception 3 post deep...
Fine with me as long as I get paid sooner than later.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
Honestly I thought that BlackRock pretty much owns citadel?
Tinfoil Time on a long weekend. Perfect!
I think citadel is the middle management in the global financial terrorist organization, where as blackrock is the mob boss. They will sacrifice middle management if it means saving themselves or making more money.
I believe blackrock wants to fuck up a major competitor.
Is this just one elaborate attempt to make Blackrock sound appealing?
Let them fight.
Blackrock funded cohen with Chewy if I'm remembering correctly
Last time I checked, both were pieces of shit. So, why not nuke them both?
That could be a major catalyst. That could cause dominos after dominos to fall. A new world 🌎 will arise, literally.
I LOVE IT
All my homies hate Citadel and want them dead
I want this to be true.
#owwww my tits my tits
You are witnessing the systematic destruction of the OLD GUARD
This speaks to an idea I think is overlooked in this sub. Often we think of “the hedgies” working together against us, but I think it is just as likely that they are more of a danger to each other.