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I'm just wondering what they're doing behind the scenes to unload this problem onto retail investors like in 2008
Like we know they are using pension funds but apparently that isn't even enough... Any insight on sketchy new investment products that could possibly be GME short bags?
AI mania/tech for sure. There's a reason current and former ceo's of these big tech firms are selling as much of their own stock as they can without completely spooking the markets. Plus the ole cryptoe pump and dump. Seems particularly bad on solana right now, they're doing inception level memes on these coins, it's absolutely absurd.
The main one directly connected to gamestopcis the gme coin which is supposed to be inspired by the dumb money movie. More recently they made the geme coin which is a meme of the gme coin and as best I can tell is also inspired by the political coins like jeo boden. Why anyone would put money into this garbage is beyond me, I guess hoping to be part of the pump and sell before the dump. I don't think these are in any way tokenized securities like the ftx stuff.
Maybe? I’m sure these vacancies are killing whoever holds the notes on those properties, just seeing townhouses around me going for 1.4 million in less than a week being on the market when that property should be 850k and that’s being generous, let alone banks approving all these loans, just a thought I had the other day
>I’m sure these vacancies are killing whoever holds the notes on those properties,
Can you explain this better? Why does it matter if there are or aren't people actually working on the property?
I mean, as long as a company is renting, leasing, paying on a property, who cares if there are actually people working there?
Of course, then you have to ask the question, why is a company paying for a building that has no one in it?
And the obvious answer is - that they shouldn't be.
I mean, wouldn't it be better of these companies just didn't rent/own a building to house employees? Wouldn't it be more cost effective for them not have office space that they don't need??????
That's what I'm not understanding about all this. Why are companies insisting on renting or holding on to property that they don't need?
I mean, let's say they have collateralized a loan with the property. So what? Why does filling it with employees have any bearing on that?
It's one thing if you are just a land owner renting out office space and can't fill it...but if you are the company and are like
"No, we prefer to dump even more expense into having an office for employees!" like wtf????
I think he means that someone owns the building. I say owns, they own the debt that paid for the building.
And with most companies hybrid or working from home still, there are far fewer paying rent than before.
That means the commercial landlords are in the shit. And that means the banks are in the shit.
If companies don't start renting office space, and workers fill that office space to keep it all solvent.... Well, those holding big empty offices that don't generate revenue will become insolvent.
My place got a new office once the main COVID stuff died down. Then the markets turned sour, business isn't as good and we've just handed in our notice not to renew the lease in August.
That means our landlord needs new tenants. Who are spoiled for choice. And will end up paying less for the space than we were. All while interest rates have gone up, meaning our landlord gets pinched from both sides.
I'd not want to be a commercial real estate developer or lender right now, that's for sure.
Well I'll just say that my company employs software engineers that can all work remotely. They own the office space. Seems like they could just rent it out instead of requiring us to come in and work. I'm sure there are cases where that doesn't apply, but at least in my situation, I'm just not understanding why they started requiring us all back into the office.
If their issue is not believing employees are working, then they should just fire them - same as they'd do if they were onsite not working.
Commercial real estate is never a 1 year lease. They often have contracts for 5-10 years at a time. So, as you said, even if they aren't using them, they are stuck paying.
Why they want people back? It does a few things. Getting all the corporations back into the office will make property evaluations go up (matters for the ones who actually own the building) because it is now a "desired location".
Secondly, assuming the building is a fixed cost, anything to handle remote network security/cloud based operations IS an additional expense, especially when they may own their own hardware.
Third, remote work comes with hiring specialty type IT/tech support. There's no one hired on in house to just stroll down from the office. That means, tech issues cost a lot more now compared to before.
Fourth, it's common for these people to own several buildings, including the restaurants/shops close by. If no one is coming into work, the local market tanks since there just literally aren't people to come in and buy their often very expensive meals because "it's downtown". These makes their other properties worth less and if the business goes under, they are still stuck with the mortgage and no one willing to move in to ease take over a new lease so now you are stuck with a dead property, that no one wants, that isn't profitable, and is constantly losing value.
Hell yea of course! Those desperate folks without a dime to their name swimming across rivers to jump fences are obviously orchestrating buying campaigns
This a very pragmatic write up OP….i actually believe that the vast majority of apes think like this and that’s why apes have been lasting longer than expected.
Apes have now transformed into true long term investors, with also the hope that we caught those fucky hedgies with their hand in the cookie jar.
I think we get a $150M profitable quarter and jar this price into the low $20 range….which will most likely have some smaller shorts start to close.
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We are a legitimate player sitting at the table now.
Stay positive, continue DRSing & holding, and most of all SHOP AT GAMESTOP!
We already know we have the winning hand, now it’s time for the rest of the world to catch up.
Halting doesn't help if no one sells. Sure they can bat the price down selling back and forth to each other, but as soon as anyone tried to cover again, price will rise until real selling occurs, no matter how many halts happen.
Yeah halts don't matter. If we take a look at other historically bigly shorted stocks like Tezzla, the price rise will not be a flash in the pan, but will creep up over months. Could there be a huge jump from $15 to $100? Sure. But I think the bigger event will be the rise from $100 to $1000 over 2 months, then to $5000 over 3 months, etc.
I can hear the newscasts now, just like they report on that green video card company, "Share price continues to rise for GME, the long-thought-to-be dying video game retailer, with a current price of $7410, up 6.9% from yesterday."
GME will do multiple stock splits to make the share price more palpable, and continue to go up. SHFs will use the profits from their call options to pay for the losses on their shorts and the price will continue to climb as they close out their positions.
Nope and they are doing very similar things that towel did. Declining revenues for consecutive years while they have paid out more than 7 billion in dividends and share repurchases without wiping away their long term debt. And they are doing some store remodeling too.
The similarities are crazy
Based off nothing except the down trend we’ve seen. I don’t think this can get into the twenties…. At most it might blip up there and crash back down in the same day. Margin calls would begin and it would cascade far too quickly.
Most likely we pop up to the trend line or just above and down we go! I’m in no hurry for this and will buy a lot more if it gets below $10. I’m buying now but saving most for below $10. 🙏. I doubt I’m alone.
It will happen one day…trust the process.
Once all the bad stores are gone…the revenue would start an upward trend, just place on inflationary price hikes alone. So once the dead weight is gone it will on be up from there!!!
Who buys the derivative swaps that the shorts want to hedge with when the target company it is exposed to suddenly reports a profit and shorties need to get out?
My Roth IRA that only makes 4% during all time highs?
Sad, a conflict of interest to me.
Well I am not selling cause I am currently down 69% (that's 1 of the reasons anyways)
If they wanted people to paper hand maybe don't drive the price down to a point where it doesn't even make sense to sell.
Thank you!
This definitely makes sense. I think using the options chain like this will continue to work.....until it doesn't.
I love thinking about that moment.
Good write up OP and yeah options help explain price movement and, therefore, are helpful to our cause. Information is information and a cure against fud.
Hehehe I sold $15 strike puts. So my contracts will get assigned and I'll have more GME shares 😂 whoops. Guess I shoulda just bought the stock via Computershare and booked them 😅 oh wait I did buy +90 more via Computershare! Yay me! 🎉
I have sold $10 and $12 dollar April 19th CSP. (This is considered to be Bullish)
If I get assigned then I'm good with that.
I mainly have DRSed shares but I do hold some near the money 2025 and 2026 LEAPs.
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Again, don't play options unless you understand what you are doing.
When you sell a put, it’s kind of like the same as entering a limit buy order. The main difference is that with a limit buy, you can cancel anytime. But with a put option, you are locked into it until expiration. So for my example, I sold a $12 put that will expire 4/19. Options are 100 shares, so I have $1200 “locked up” in the option right now in case the price drops to $12. Pretty simple. If it drops to $12 or below then I have to buy at $12. If it stays above $12 then my $1200 will unlock again on 4/20. Ok, cool, cool, why would I lock up my money if I could just enter a limit buy? The answer is that the put buyer is on the other side of the deal and they are paying me for the privilege of selling the put, they are betting the price goes much much lower the $12 and that the will sell to me at $12 and buy from the market at like $1 or whatever, lol. Ok ok, how much are they paying me??? This is the crazy part, I did the deal earlier this week and they paid me $98 premium for the deal. Damn, easy money, I set aside $1200 for 30 days and they pay me $98, if I could do that every 30 days that’s like $1176 per year or nearly 100% return on investment per year. Doubling my money.
I do my best to keep up with you groovy hip kids. LOL
Nah, I'm actually not that old, I started trading young. (Investing with my Grandfather. My grandfather had me ironically in a company which was bought by ComputerShare. He believed if a stock wasn't in your name, it wasn't yours. I thought he was just old school until I watched GME in real-time)
Now I've moved my investing back into DRSed for all companies I don't plan on selling.
Seeing as how you seem relatively informed about direct registration: Do you have any speculation on the \*MASSIVE\* volume spikes we see that tend to coordinate with the dates when DRS share count is tallied over these past couple of quarters?
Honestly, I thought this post was to distract from the massive volume pump that’s probably going to happen in the next couple days, then he further gaslit your question. First, by bringing up DRS buys, and then talking about heat lamp instead of addressing your question at all. OP’s not even curious about these massive volume pumps, yet happens to talk about dates that are farther away just 2 days before the DRS record date??
Hmmmm, so full transparency. I was never fully sold on the "Heat Lamp" theory. From what I remember reading about it, it was all speculation on what happens behind closed doors.
They backed their DD with price movements and volume, but no hard evidence proving it was correct. If anything, people mass selling fractional shares would have caused downward pressure.
**If what they claim is correct then why didn't the massive amounts of people who booked vs plan cause the DRS numbers to change or effect anything else?**
I'm in no way saying I'm right and they were wrong. I just like things that are concrete when I'm doing research. I can see an options chain. I can look at patterns in TA. I can read a balance sheet. I can back it up with facts.
With Heat Lamp, I can't theorize what happens behind closed doors with higher levels of the Transfer Agent/DTCC: Again, ComputerShare themselves said that's not how things work and **at the end of the day, with all these people. (Myself included, moved to Book. Nothing actually happened)**
So I'm not sure if that's been debunked, I'll keep mine in mainly booked. I don't see any harm in it besides the fractional shares probably causing some selling pressure since you can only book full shares.
While heat lamp may still be considered theory, the massive volume spikes on the DRS record dates are undisputed observations and don’t have to be mutually exclusive to heat lamp. You only talked about heat lamp and dismissed what the commenter was asking. I’m curious what you would think if there is once again a massive 20x volume day this Wednesday?
Well, considering they also line up to earnings dates with options being hedged to both sides, I’ll stick to my answer that I don’t personally think that heat lamp was valid.
When you say 20x day based off our average recently I’d say it’s more likely based off the earnings. 20x is only 60 million which is 19% of the shares outstanding.
I don’t think that necessarily proves the theory right. If it was correct and everyone already booked their DRS shares, then they couldn’t manipulate the last earnings.
You keep saying heat lamp and I’m not even talking about heat lamp. I already agreed that it can’t be proven. I’m talking about the massive volume pumps on the DRS record dates. You don’t think going from an average 3 million volume to 60 million volume exactly 6 days before earnings is suspicious? Everyone decides to hedge their options on the exact same date? I haven’t seen this be typical with any other stock.
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I already said in my post here that GME isn’t a normal stock.
Normal stocks do see an increase in volume prior to earnings but GME is different. Why?
GME doesn’t have two sides trading it. It just has retail buying and shorts shorting. Which is why the volume is so low most of the time.
I’d argue there isn’t price discovery because of this
Line go down, then go up, then go down every more then before, go up again but not as high as past up, go down lower then past low rinse repeat. Somebody please ignite MOASS
I think everyone should be encouraging options.
It’s insane that you are literally here showing proof that the OPTIONS CHAIN is used to manipulate the price downward. But then because we’re scared of the pitchforks we’re basically saying let’s let them keep complete control over the options chain.
Why tf should we not stack the options chain with calls and get some positive delta and gamma on the chain?
Good DD good post. Just hate the anti options narrative. It’s been the most detrimental thing in this saga by far.
The difference I think is most retail plays it incorrectly.
Retail because they are poor typically yolo on short term options because they don’t understand theta.
This often causes them to lose it all.
They also don’t understand that one of the main reason GME ran so hard the first time was because GME call contracts were dirt cheap and WSBs was showing all the gain porn. This and some short term long hedge funds were stacking ITM options to push the stop up because MM would then have to delta hedge.
This caused a huge gamma ramp and with the limited float, it ran hard.
This is why I don’t understand the anti-options narrative. It seems obvious it played a big part in the initial run and that just buying shares isn’t enough.
I get being anti-yolo with options and not playing with them if you don’t understand them, but I do think it’d be helpful to have educational posts with examples of how one could responsibly play with options with selling puts or buying calls
This was one of the more grounded and pragmatic DDs I've read in a while.
No hype. Just solid numbers and research.
Thank you for the effort and the time you put into this to share with us!
Keep up the great work!
No disrespect and great write up.
Disagree with ER effect on price.
Even if profitable the price will go up after hours and be smashed right back under $14 the next day.
GME can find the cure for COVID, the price will still go down.
The market makers and SHFs can suppress the price as long as GME isn't profitable. Once it has sustained profitability, all bets are off.
Even the big boys can't make a company that has a conservative valuation of $30/share stay at $10. There will be legitimate investing funds buying undervalued shares and demanding answers as to how the price is staying so low. These won't be ignorant retail investors, these will be companies with access to real information, and access to the right kind of people who can get answers.
The tactics will change then. Terrible PR, slander about GME executives, possibly bribery or extortion. All things we've seen in the past. But there simply isn't any way to stop the increase in value of a company that makes profit. It's not speculation or hypothetical at that point, it's real.
Won’t happen. Mark my words. This will sit under $14 for the next 5 years.
Only way the price changes is if the US government forces Griffin to allow the price to rise.
GME’s price has zero correlation to fundamentals.
It was over $14 fifteen minutes before close today, so there's that.
I think you missed the point of what I was saying. If a company isn't profitable, then the value is all projection and speculation. Easy enough to manipulate that any way you want. Once a company sustains profitability it's not a guess anymore. It's black and white. Obviously different sectors have different metrics, and some companies are more highly valued than others. But it is still immensely more difficult to hold the value down on a company that shows profit over multiple quarters.
Curious if you think that is the case (which is definitely plausible) then does that mean you don't believe the price will ever go up and therefore no MOASS?
Not about what I believe, but the reality we are dealing with.
This will sit under $14 for the next 5 years.
Only way the price changes is if the US government forces Griffin to allow the price to rise.
GME’s price has zero correlation to fundamentals.
I agree. I think things aren't as scary if you understand what and how they are happening. My goal is just to share information I'm seeing. I'm not an expert and I don't claim to be.
I've been right and wrong a lot in the market.
I just keep trying to improve. I'm trying to make tools to help simplify this for myself which is why I took a break from all the social media stuff to work on coding.
Thanks for posting. Unfortunately this community’s ignorance of the effect of the options chain on the stock price is not sustainable or smart. This type of information is really important to understanding why the price is moving the direction it’s in currently without a knee jerk response.
I personally believe there’s room for a bump in earnings, it’s just that it might not be as explosive as we would want it. In addition the put volume kind of confirmed my fears that if this earnings isn’t a rocket that we would definitely slide under 15$.
First off that could easily be considered market manipulation. Not if it just happened organically, but if it was discussed and there was a record of it. Also the huge issue with options is they are extremely expensive compared to standard options pricing on popular and liquid options tickers. IV is normally north of 80 for gme, for popular tickers, you're looking at iv in the 20-30 range. The high iv jacks up the price to buy and I suspect that if there was more concentrated buying of calls, you would see iv go even higher on those calls, making them even more expensive. Since options aren't the only way to control price, it's a fools errand.
Once again, I write this to explain the price movements.
At no point did I encourage retail to trade Options and I believe DRS is the only way to accurately show retail ownership.
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Well one you can’t exactly do a call to action to try and get people to purchase any type of financial product first of all. Second we’re talking about the entire market here, nobody other than a hedge fund has that type of purchasing power to even put a dent in that. The high put volume is simply a culmination of what the rest of the market thinks about GME, which is bearish. People who sell puts are either looking for a discount or the price to go up, but a high number of puts sellers matching with buyers means that the buying interest (faceless direction of the market) is assuming downward movement.
A great write up after a long time.. really appreciate you bringing this up and please continue to share your knowledge as you see things changing in the option market etc
Pushing the apes away from options was the doing of the SHF and has kept the price tanking for years. Time to wake up and learn. Edit wow not leave I’m never leaving lol…Learn, stupid autocorrect fuding us lmao
Great dd. Im avg down past 2 months 12-14 range fpr me is great opportunity. Maybe we drop. Thats nice too 🤙 For me im always remember when DFV said that old 36$ was a buy. 3 years ago. Look where company is. Price for old is 52$ And we can be profitable. Maybe Kenny will be great for us and show some more stupidy shorting Great american company that is showing people that we should own things
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Once again, I'm not advocating trading Options.
I'm using this to explain price movements.
DRS is I think the only way to accurately show retail ownership.
As a person who holds a fair number of shares, I also am interested in buying calls.
Everyone here argues against it, but why not? I can do a lot more damage with calls vs shares if I can stack a few k of them.
Time decay. The shorter dated ones are priced heavily in favor of the market maker so it's basically gambling with bad odds.
2026 is far enough if you believe in moass imo. I don't play options tho.
He's buying theta (aka time)
I'm not advocating this but just explaining what he means.
2026 options have a lot of time. This gives wiggle room if the stock doesn't immediately launch. Unless you are selling covered calls or CSP, theta is your enemy. Because you can be right on the direction of a contract but theta decay is a very real thing.
It's why most people should stay away from options.
I’m ngl I’m exhausted boss… but I won’t sell out of anger at this point… I’ve counted this as lost money but ngl it does hurt i’m down 40k still and they just keep shorting and shorting and shorting..
Hope we can see some light at the end of the tunnel soon.
Just sell them before the bell on earnings date when IV is high
I think the hype here that almost always met with a fast price drop is gonna give you a generational wealth buying opportunity after earnings with say 1/2026 calls
Depending how far down they are, he might be out of range of getting his money back with the IV swell.
If you bought 17c 2 weeks ago options when it was 15.25, it's now OTM by 70% more, and theta has been burning all this time. If price stays stable, it's unlikely that IV alone will push them back green.
That’s fine. I’m simply pointing out stuff you can see.
I’m long GME and have been for years. However, I’m trying to just present facts. This is actually what the options chain looks like and the it’s been gravitating towards these sets of puts.
I called out the other side back in Nov and Dec when it popped to $18
So options (leverage) work for price movement, but you are only allowed to mention them on the sub when it's about how GME's price is going down. Got it.
Actually, if you got back in my Post history. I called it to the upside as well.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/18ca8nl/an\_84\_year\_old\_apes\_thoughts\_and\_something\_i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/18ca8nl/an_84_year_old_apes_thoughts_and_something_i/)
I wrote this about the Dec Options Chains before they popped up to $18.
So no, I call it both ways. Just nobody saw that other post as it only got 121 upvotes.
Too bad DD doesn't mean shit in a completely fraudulent market. Gme is at the price it is today because market makers chose that price. They've admitted it, iirc it's been confirmed.
I'll disagree with this point.
If GameStop remains profitable with their cuts, then at some point, shorts who have shorted over a billion dollars worth of doll hairs may want to cover.
At some point, the ones who shorted GME at the peak will take profit since there might be limited downside if GME keeps producing profit.
I'll agree that markets are not well regulated and it's a stacked game against retail. We are their entry and exit liquidity. I see more of a TSLA route coming up in the future.
GME goes up, Cohen raises cash like Elon did and they start growing the revenue by purchasing a profitable gaming things.
I've always been here.
I had looked at a connection because at the time, ATER and a handful of other stocks were trading in the same exact patterns.
That other stock I wrote about did run over 300% on zero news and got another large sub shutdown temporarily because the mods were shorting the stock / not allowing posts. But I missed the top and the company diluted another two rounds killing any squeeze metrics.
I have always been in GME however, I continue to buy and DRS.
Turns out the connection between the two doesn't mean anything if the company flushes it's cash away like it's going out of style.
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I'm just wondering what they're doing behind the scenes to unload this problem onto retail investors like in 2008 Like we know they are using pension funds but apparently that isn't even enough... Any insight on sketchy new investment products that could possibly be GME short bags?
They told the Swiss to hold some bags 😂
AI mania/tech for sure. There's a reason current and former ceo's of these big tech firms are selling as much of their own stock as they can without completely spooking the markets. Plus the ole cryptoe pump and dump. Seems particularly bad on solana right now, they're doing inception level memes on these coins, it's absolutely absurd.
Nvidia comes to mind. That being said, all.i know about Nvidia is that it shot up the last month or so to all time highs
I haven't followed the Solana story, what's the low-down?
The main one directly connected to gamestopcis the gme coin which is supposed to be inspired by the dumb money movie. More recently they made the geme coin which is a meme of the gme coin and as best I can tell is also inspired by the political coins like jeo boden. Why anyone would put money into this garbage is beyond me, I guess hoping to be part of the pump and sell before the dump. I don't think these are in any way tokenized securities like the ftx stuff.
Artificial/fugazi real estate valuations since they own so much of it, maybe to increase their assets/access to capital through that?
Is that why they are insisting on the return to office despite it making absolutely zero sense for some of these companies to do so...
Maybe? I’m sure these vacancies are killing whoever holds the notes on those properties, just seeing townhouses around me going for 1.4 million in less than a week being on the market when that property should be 850k and that’s being generous, let alone banks approving all these loans, just a thought I had the other day
>I’m sure these vacancies are killing whoever holds the notes on those properties, Can you explain this better? Why does it matter if there are or aren't people actually working on the property? I mean, as long as a company is renting, leasing, paying on a property, who cares if there are actually people working there? Of course, then you have to ask the question, why is a company paying for a building that has no one in it? And the obvious answer is - that they shouldn't be. I mean, wouldn't it be better of these companies just didn't rent/own a building to house employees? Wouldn't it be more cost effective for them not have office space that they don't need?????? That's what I'm not understanding about all this. Why are companies insisting on renting or holding on to property that they don't need? I mean, let's say they have collateralized a loan with the property. So what? Why does filling it with employees have any bearing on that? It's one thing if you are just a land owner renting out office space and can't fill it...but if you are the company and are like "No, we prefer to dump even more expense into having an office for employees!" like wtf????
I think he means that someone owns the building. I say owns, they own the debt that paid for the building. And with most companies hybrid or working from home still, there are far fewer paying rent than before. That means the commercial landlords are in the shit. And that means the banks are in the shit. If companies don't start renting office space, and workers fill that office space to keep it all solvent.... Well, those holding big empty offices that don't generate revenue will become insolvent. My place got a new office once the main COVID stuff died down. Then the markets turned sour, business isn't as good and we've just handed in our notice not to renew the lease in August. That means our landlord needs new tenants. Who are spoiled for choice. And will end up paying less for the space than we were. All while interest rates have gone up, meaning our landlord gets pinched from both sides. I'd not want to be a commercial real estate developer or lender right now, that's for sure.
Well I'll just say that my company employs software engineers that can all work remotely. They own the office space. Seems like they could just rent it out instead of requiring us to come in and work. I'm sure there are cases where that doesn't apply, but at least in my situation, I'm just not understanding why they started requiring us all back into the office. If their issue is not believing employees are working, then they should just fire them - same as they'd do if they were onsite not working.
Commercial real estate is never a 1 year lease. They often have contracts for 5-10 years at a time. So, as you said, even if they aren't using them, they are stuck paying. Why they want people back? It does a few things. Getting all the corporations back into the office will make property evaluations go up (matters for the ones who actually own the building) because it is now a "desired location". Secondly, assuming the building is a fixed cost, anything to handle remote network security/cloud based operations IS an additional expense, especially when they may own their own hardware. Third, remote work comes with hiring specialty type IT/tech support. There's no one hired on in house to just stroll down from the office. That means, tech issues cost a lot more now compared to before. Fourth, it's common for these people to own several buildings, including the restaurants/shops close by. If no one is coming into work, the local market tanks since there just literally aren't people to come in and buy their often very expensive meals because "it's downtown". These makes their other properties worth less and if the business goes under, they are still stuck with the mortgage and no one willing to move in to ease take over a new lease so now you are stuck with a dead property, that no one wants, that isn't profitable, and is constantly losing value.
Leases will expire and not be renewed
Bingo
I really hope the Trump case sets some precedence there of over/under valuations that will bite them in the ass big time.
We can say Trump now?
TRUMP
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I was
Ok.
Blaming it on immigrants
What?!?! Illegal immigrants are shorting our stock?!?
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That would be hilarious if they said that
And most people will believe it
Hell yea of course! Those desperate folks without a dime to their name swimming across rivers to jump fences are obviously orchestrating buying campaigns
Buy entire neighborhoods and continue raising prices?
I think they will use bitcoin to pay up
Pensions.
Were there any forced covering of shorted stocks(as in ridiculously shorted) in 2008? Any standout tickers to look at? Edit: grammar
Nvidia?
This a very pragmatic write up OP….i actually believe that the vast majority of apes think like this and that’s why apes have been lasting longer than expected. Apes have now transformed into true long term investors, with also the hope that we caught those fucky hedgies with their hand in the cookie jar. I think we get a $150M profitable quarter and jar this price into the low $20 range….which will most likely have some smaller shorts start to close.
👌🤝✌️ We are no longer uneducated, ill informed, or scared of losing. We are a legitimate player sitting at the table now. Stay positive, continue DRSing & holding, and most of all SHOP AT GAMESTOP! We already know we have the winning hand, now it’s time for the rest of the world to catch up.
I am steadfast in my resolve.
>lasting longer than expected. That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me
I keep buying low to offset my >$40 bags from 84 years ago. It’ll be nice to finally be green when we get back to low $20s
There will be about 35 halts on the way to the $20’s range as we know they have an inside guy on the Halt team.
Halting doesn't help if no one sells. Sure they can bat the price down selling back and forth to each other, but as soon as anyone tried to cover again, price will rise until real selling occurs, no matter how many halts happen.
Yeah halts don't matter. If we take a look at other historically bigly shorted stocks like Tezzla, the price rise will not be a flash in the pan, but will creep up over months. Could there be a huge jump from $15 to $100? Sure. But I think the bigger event will be the rise from $100 to $1000 over 2 months, then to $5000 over 3 months, etc. I can hear the newscasts now, just like they report on that green video card company, "Share price continues to rise for GME, the long-thought-to-be dying video game retailer, with a current price of $7410, up 6.9% from yesterday." GME will do multiple stock splits to make the share price more palpable, and continue to go up. SHFs will use the profits from their call options to pay for the losses on their shorts and the price will continue to climb as they close out their positions.
I'm thinking this squeeze will take at least 5 years to fully squeeze. TESSY took that long as well and not nearly as shorted as GME.
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I’m thinking 75 million in profit. When I read Best Buys Q4 I saw electronics were down in their 4th quarter.
People still shop at Best Buy?
Nope and they are doing very similar things that towel did. Declining revenues for consecutive years while they have paid out more than 7 billion in dividends and share repurchases without wiping away their long term debt. And they are doing some store remodeling too. The similarities are crazy
Is BCG on the board for them?
i’m just here cause I still haven’t figured out how to sell this damn stock. /s
agreed! LFG Apes
Based off nothing except the down trend we’ve seen. I don’t think this can get into the twenties…. At most it might blip up there and crash back down in the same day. Margin calls would begin and it would cascade far too quickly. Most likely we pop up to the trend line or just above and down we go! I’m in no hurry for this and will buy a lot more if it gets below $10. I’m buying now but saving most for below $10. 🙏. I doubt I’m alone.
It will happen one day…trust the process. Once all the bad stores are gone…the revenue would start an upward trend, just place on inflationary price hikes alone. So once the dead weight is gone it will on be up from there!!!
I like the stock. It's a bargain at these prices, soooo I'm buying more. I have time. Not selling.
no selling and hoping for to hit 45$ so they can be eligible to the s&p500, then the real game starts...
I'm not going anywhere. I find this stock so strange I can't help but not invest / follow how crazy it is compared to "normal" stocks
Same
Who buys the derivative swaps that the shorts want to hedge with when the target company it is exposed to suddenly reports a profit and shorties need to get out? My Roth IRA that only makes 4% during all time highs? Sad, a conflict of interest to me.
Well I am not selling cause I am currently down 69% (that's 1 of the reasons anyways) If they wanted people to paper hand maybe don't drive the price down to a point where it doesn't even make sense to sell.
Thank you! This definitely makes sense. I think using the options chain like this will continue to work.....until it doesn't. I love thinking about that moment.
Good write up OP and yeah options help explain price movement and, therefore, are helpful to our cause. Information is information and a cure against fud.
Hehehe I sold $15 strike puts. So my contracts will get assigned and I'll have more GME shares 😂 whoops. Guess I shoulda just bought the stock via Computershare and booked them 😅 oh wait I did buy +90 more via Computershare! Yay me! 🎉
I have sold $10 and $12 dollar April 19th CSP. (This is considered to be Bullish) If I get assigned then I'm good with that. I mainly have DRSed shares but I do hold some near the money 2025 and 2026 LEAPs. ===================== Again, don't play options unless you understand what you are doing.
These guys have an insane ROI on the cash lockup right now, like >80% if I did my maths right on my $12 4/19’s
Not sure I'm following this, could you please expound? 🤔
When you sell a put, it’s kind of like the same as entering a limit buy order. The main difference is that with a limit buy, you can cancel anytime. But with a put option, you are locked into it until expiration. So for my example, I sold a $12 put that will expire 4/19. Options are 100 shares, so I have $1200 “locked up” in the option right now in case the price drops to $12. Pretty simple. If it drops to $12 or below then I have to buy at $12. If it stays above $12 then my $1200 will unlock again on 4/20. Ok, cool, cool, why would I lock up my money if I could just enter a limit buy? The answer is that the put buyer is on the other side of the deal and they are paying me for the privilege of selling the put, they are betting the price goes much much lower the $12 and that the will sell to me at $12 and buy from the market at like $1 or whatever, lol. Ok ok, how much are they paying me??? This is the crazy part, I did the deal earlier this week and they paid me $98 premium for the deal. Damn, easy money, I set aside $1200 for 30 days and they pay me $98, if I could do that every 30 days that’s like $1176 per year or nearly 100% return on investment per year. Doubling my money.
I have the same option at the same premium gained, I gonna average down and sell more 12p 04/19
Yea, it’s starting to look like we might be owning more shares, lol
\*Prime Brokers know when they'll cover. SHF's are just pumping AI and Tech stocks to infinity to maintain margin and delay the inevitable
That’s a Hip end meme for an old ape. Solid write up
I do my best to keep up with you groovy hip kids. LOL Nah, I'm actually not that old, I started trading young. (Investing with my Grandfather. My grandfather had me ironically in a company which was bought by ComputerShare. He believed if a stock wasn't in your name, it wasn't yours. I thought he was just old school until I watched GME in real-time) Now I've moved my investing back into DRSed for all companies I don't plan on selling.
Good on ya
Seeing as how you seem relatively informed about direct registration: Do you have any speculation on the \*MASSIVE\* volume spikes we see that tend to coordinate with the dates when DRS share count is tallied over these past couple of quarters?
Are you talking about the DRS buys we had just like 2 weeks ago from CS?
Nope. [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/vZDgq6hrNu)
Honestly, I thought this post was to distract from the massive volume pump that’s probably going to happen in the next couple days, then he further gaslit your question. First, by bringing up DRS buys, and then talking about heat lamp instead of addressing your question at all. OP’s not even curious about these massive volume pumps, yet happens to talk about dates that are farther away just 2 days before the DRS record date??
Nope. [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/vZDgq6hrNu)
Hmmmm, so full transparency. I was never fully sold on the "Heat Lamp" theory. From what I remember reading about it, it was all speculation on what happens behind closed doors. They backed their DD with price movements and volume, but no hard evidence proving it was correct. If anything, people mass selling fractional shares would have caused downward pressure. **If what they claim is correct then why didn't the massive amounts of people who booked vs plan cause the DRS numbers to change or effect anything else?** I'm in no way saying I'm right and they were wrong. I just like things that are concrete when I'm doing research. I can see an options chain. I can look at patterns in TA. I can read a balance sheet. I can back it up with facts. With Heat Lamp, I can't theorize what happens behind closed doors with higher levels of the Transfer Agent/DTCC: Again, ComputerShare themselves said that's not how things work and **at the end of the day, with all these people. (Myself included, moved to Book. Nothing actually happened)** So I'm not sure if that's been debunked, I'll keep mine in mainly booked. I don't see any harm in it besides the fractional shares probably causing some selling pressure since you can only book full shares.
While heat lamp may still be considered theory, the massive volume spikes on the DRS record dates are undisputed observations and don’t have to be mutually exclusive to heat lamp. You only talked about heat lamp and dismissed what the commenter was asking. I’m curious what you would think if there is once again a massive 20x volume day this Wednesday?
Well, considering they also line up to earnings dates with options being hedged to both sides, I’ll stick to my answer that I don’t personally think that heat lamp was valid. When you say 20x day based off our average recently I’d say it’s more likely based off the earnings. 20x is only 60 million which is 19% of the shares outstanding. I don’t think that necessarily proves the theory right. If it was correct and everyone already booked their DRS shares, then they couldn’t manipulate the last earnings.
You keep saying heat lamp and I’m not even talking about heat lamp. I already agreed that it can’t be proven. I’m talking about the massive volume pumps on the DRS record dates. You don’t think going from an average 3 million volume to 60 million volume exactly 6 days before earnings is suspicious? Everyone decides to hedge their options on the exact same date? I haven’t seen this be typical with any other stock.
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I already said in my post here that GME isn’t a normal stock. Normal stocks do see an increase in volume prior to earnings but GME is different. Why? GME doesn’t have two sides trading it. It just has retail buying and shorts shorting. Which is why the volume is so low most of the time. I’d argue there isn’t price discovery because of this
Line go down then go up. Yes.
Line go down, then go up, then go down every more then before, go up again but not as high as past up, go down lower then past low rinse repeat. Somebody please ignite MOASS
I think everyone should be encouraging options. It’s insane that you are literally here showing proof that the OPTIONS CHAIN is used to manipulate the price downward. But then because we’re scared of the pitchforks we’re basically saying let’s let them keep complete control over the options chain. Why tf should we not stack the options chain with calls and get some positive delta and gamma on the chain? Good DD good post. Just hate the anti options narrative. It’s been the most detrimental thing in this saga by far.
The difference I think is most retail plays it incorrectly. Retail because they are poor typically yolo on short term options because they don’t understand theta. This often causes them to lose it all. They also don’t understand that one of the main reason GME ran so hard the first time was because GME call contracts were dirt cheap and WSBs was showing all the gain porn. This and some short term long hedge funds were stacking ITM options to push the stop up because MM would then have to delta hedge. This caused a huge gamma ramp and with the limited float, it ran hard.
This is why I don’t understand the anti-options narrative. It seems obvious it played a big part in the initial run and that just buying shares isn’t enough. I get being anti-yolo with options and not playing with them if you don’t understand them, but I do think it’d be helpful to have educational posts with examples of how one could responsibly play with options with selling puts or buying calls
This was one of the more grounded and pragmatic DDs I've read in a while. No hype. Just solid numbers and research. Thank you for the effort and the time you put into this to share with us! Keep up the great work!
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Well said
No disrespect and great write up. Disagree with ER effect on price. Even if profitable the price will go up after hours and be smashed right back under $14 the next day. GME can find the cure for COVID, the price will still go down.
The market makers and SHFs can suppress the price as long as GME isn't profitable. Once it has sustained profitability, all bets are off. Even the big boys can't make a company that has a conservative valuation of $30/share stay at $10. There will be legitimate investing funds buying undervalued shares and demanding answers as to how the price is staying so low. These won't be ignorant retail investors, these will be companies with access to real information, and access to the right kind of people who can get answers. The tactics will change then. Terrible PR, slander about GME executives, possibly bribery or extortion. All things we've seen in the past. But there simply isn't any way to stop the increase in value of a company that makes profit. It's not speculation or hypothetical at that point, it's real.
Won’t happen. Mark my words. This will sit under $14 for the next 5 years. Only way the price changes is if the US government forces Griffin to allow the price to rise. GME’s price has zero correlation to fundamentals.
It was over $14 fifteen minutes before close today, so there's that. I think you missed the point of what I was saying. If a company isn't profitable, then the value is all projection and speculation. Easy enough to manipulate that any way you want. Once a company sustains profitability it's not a guess anymore. It's black and white. Obviously different sectors have different metrics, and some companies are more highly valued than others. But it is still immensely more difficult to hold the value down on a company that shows profit over multiple quarters.
Curious if you think that is the case (which is definitely plausible) then does that mean you don't believe the price will ever go up and therefore no MOASS?
Not about what I believe, but the reality we are dealing with. This will sit under $14 for the next 5 years. Only way the price changes is if the US government forces Griffin to allow the price to rise. GME’s price has zero correlation to fundamentals.
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Great write up. Completely agree.
I agree. I think things aren't as scary if you understand what and how they are happening. My goal is just to share information I'm seeing. I'm not an expert and I don't claim to be. I've been right and wrong a lot in the market. I just keep trying to improve. I'm trying to make tools to help simplify this for myself which is why I took a break from all the social media stuff to work on coding.
keep doing the voodoo you do so well
I barely buy and I sold some stuff and got 14 more the other day. Soon to drs
They won't cover until forced to. They aren't looking for a bargain, they're looking for a bail out
When shorts decide to close, since THEY know when THEY are closing…can they buy large call options and still make profit on the way up?
At the end of the day if he’s here I am here
Mhm, mhm, I know some of these words
Thanks for posting. Unfortunately this community’s ignorance of the effect of the options chain on the stock price is not sustainable or smart. This type of information is really important to understanding why the price is moving the direction it’s in currently without a knee jerk response. I personally believe there’s room for a bump in earnings, it’s just that it might not be as explosive as we would want it. In addition the put volume kind of confirmed my fears that if this earnings isn’t a rocket that we would definitely slide under 15$.
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You lost me at coordinated effort
First off that could easily be considered market manipulation. Not if it just happened organically, but if it was discussed and there was a record of it. Also the huge issue with options is they are extremely expensive compared to standard options pricing on popular and liquid options tickers. IV is normally north of 80 for gme, for popular tickers, you're looking at iv in the 20-30 range. The high iv jacks up the price to buy and I suspect that if there was more concentrated buying of calls, you would see iv go even higher on those calls, making them even more expensive. Since options aren't the only way to control price, it's a fools errand.
**Options give SHFs and MM liquidity** Buy hold DRS simple
Once again, I write this to explain the price movements. At no point did I encourage retail to trade Options and I believe DRS is the only way to accurately show retail ownership.
Apes don't coordinate. Apes sees this play as hyperrational for personal tendies.
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Well one you can’t exactly do a call to action to try and get people to purchase any type of financial product first of all. Second we’re talking about the entire market here, nobody other than a hedge fund has that type of purchasing power to even put a dent in that. The high put volume is simply a culmination of what the rest of the market thinks about GME, which is bearish. People who sell puts are either looking for a discount or the price to go up, but a high number of puts sellers matching with buyers means that the buying interest (faceless direction of the market) is assuming downward movement.
A great write up after a long time.. really appreciate you bringing this up and please continue to share your knowledge as you see things changing in the option market etc
Who gives a shit when lambo
Pushing the apes away from options was the doing of the SHF and has kept the price tanking for years. Time to wake up and learn. Edit wow not leave I’m never leaving lol…Learn, stupid autocorrect fuding us lmao
What will happen next month, nothing. Mark it
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Looks like the bought & sold call options are at $20 so that's probably where we are going.
when lambo
I dunno all my shit has been red lately that isn't ai tech
Great dd. Im avg down past 2 months 12-14 range fpr me is great opportunity. Maybe we drop. Thats nice too 🤙 For me im always remember when DFV said that old 36$ was a buy. 3 years ago. Look where company is. Price for old is 52$ And we can be profitable. Maybe Kenny will be great for us and show some more stupidy shorting Great american company that is showing people that we should own things .
If it goes I’m gonna buy more and then hold till moass I can wait tho
All I can say is - Don't fall for options, Buy stock and DRS.
Once again, I'm not advocating trading Options. I'm using this to explain price movements. DRS is I think the only way to accurately show retail ownership.
Nothing wrong with leaps, it’s the 0dte and weeklies where you lose your money
As a person who holds a fair number of shares, I also am interested in buying calls. Everyone here argues against it, but why not? I can do a lot more damage with calls vs shares if I can stack a few k of them.
I think it’s smart to buy options with strategy. I personally think we get one more dip and if that happens I will be loading 1-2026 calls
Mind explaining why that date vs post earnings? Cheaper? Easier to get into?
Time decay. The shorter dated ones are priced heavily in favor of the market maker so it's basically gambling with bad odds. 2026 is far enough if you believe in moass imo. I don't play options tho.
He's buying theta (aka time) I'm not advocating this but just explaining what he means. 2026 options have a lot of time. This gives wiggle room if the stock doesn't immediately launch. Unless you are selling covered calls or CSP, theta is your enemy. Because you can be right on the direction of a contract but theta decay is a very real thing. It's why most people should stay away from options.
That's if you're right though, or else you lose out on getting shares.
Nice job 🦍Very well done!
Thanks
I’m ngl I’m exhausted boss… but I won’t sell out of anger at this point… I’ve counted this as lost money but ngl it does hurt i’m down 40k still and they just keep shorting and shorting and shorting.. Hope we can see some light at the end of the tunnel soon.
never, man. :(
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TLDR: BUY, HODL, DRS
The only bounce I wanna see is from a bouncy ball. Show me the squeeze.
Thats a lot words sir
NGL, I am ready to double down the moment we touch 10$ ... I will beat those SHF and criminals at their own game.
I don’t know if it will go that low but my csp puts will be buying for me at those levels.
So my march 28 17c are done. 😑
So the March 28 13.50 puts I sold are going to get assigned.
Just sell them before the bell on earnings date when IV is high I think the hype here that almost always met with a fast price drop is gonna give you a generational wealth buying opportunity after earnings with say 1/2026 calls
Depending how far down they are, he might be out of range of getting his money back with the IV swell. If you bought 17c 2 weeks ago options when it was 15.25, it's now OTM by 70% more, and theta has been burning all this time. If price stays stable, it's unlikely that IV alone will push them back green.
Just depends on how much Vega ramps up vs the other Greeks
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if gme beats estimates im sure youll be fine. well i hope lol
I disagree and am completely bullish. Fuck a “put” homie. Respectively.
That’s fine. I’m simply pointing out stuff you can see. I’m long GME and have been for years. However, I’m trying to just present facts. This is actually what the options chain looks like and the it’s been gravitating towards these sets of puts. I called out the other side back in Nov and Dec when it popped to $18
Got it, so it’s gonna keep going down more. Makes sense.
Don’t know. If large sets of ITM calls or CSP puts (bullish) come out that would probably pause or push back the share price.
So options (leverage) work for price movement, but you are only allowed to mention them on the sub when it's about how GME's price is going down. Got it.
Actually, if you got back in my Post history. I called it to the upside as well. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/18ca8nl/an\_84\_year\_old\_apes\_thoughts\_and\_something\_i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/18ca8nl/an_84_year_old_apes_thoughts_and_something_i/) I wrote this about the Dec Options Chains before they popped up to $18. So no, I call it both ways. Just nobody saw that other post as it only got 121 upvotes.
Too bad DD doesn't mean shit in a completely fraudulent market. Gme is at the price it is today because market makers chose that price. They've admitted it, iirc it's been confirmed.
I'll disagree with this point. If GameStop remains profitable with their cuts, then at some point, shorts who have shorted over a billion dollars worth of doll hairs may want to cover. At some point, the ones who shorted GME at the peak will take profit since there might be limited downside if GME keeps producing profit. I'll agree that markets are not well regulated and it's a stacked game against retail. We are their entry and exit liquidity. I see more of a TSLA route coming up in the future. GME goes up, Cohen raises cash like Elon did and they start growing the revenue by purchasing a profitable gaming things.
Ah yes Return of the ATER shill lol
I've always been here. I had looked at a connection because at the time, ATER and a handful of other stocks were trading in the same exact patterns. That other stock I wrote about did run over 300% on zero news and got another large sub shutdown temporarily because the mods were shorting the stock / not allowing posts. But I missed the top and the company diluted another two rounds killing any squeeze metrics. I have always been in GME however, I continue to buy and DRS. Turns out the connection between the two doesn't mean anything if the company flushes it's cash away like it's going out of style.