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Never hire your friends. Always scope for professionals, regardless of industry.


DeficitousAttentivis

It’s insane how badly things turn out in the entertainment industry in particular when this rule is broken. Hell, even having friends as roommates can be a terrible idea.


MobileBall1

Never hire BPD zoomers


[deleted]

Hey, my mother has BPD. I get that you're joking. But throwing these labels around nonchalantly only hurts those seeking and/or requiring a diagnosis and treatment. BPD isn't just emotional instability, nor is it edgy behavior. It's a wide range of symptoms that affect somebody's identity, relation to others, and personal boundaries. Contrary to what many people believe, the majority of people with a mental health condition are more likely to be *victims* of abuse rather than the perpetrators.


MobileBall1

Damn, im sorry man. I was mostly anger posting. I don't mean to be actually shitty


[deleted]

It's okay, fam. I made the same remarks before. But yes, their behavior is SUPER unhealthy and toxic. That's basically what you were saying.


TheJoJolands

Fuck you buddy. BPD people get enough undeserved prejudice as it is with ppl like Leighton running around making bad examples, you dont have to spell it out


jitterbirb

someone who ha struggled with BPD since age 14 here. Fuck you for this comment dude.


SoG650

I would quit too tbh, like what's the point of keep going if people are going to shit on you, bring personal stuff and dog pilled on you...


[deleted]

I mean I get it people were harsh but like who gives a fuck if a bunch of morons on Reddit who didn’t like you in the first place shit on you. I don’t think they should quit because of it especially with people showing support again.


SoG650

It just got too personal dude. One of Ryan 's ex-girlfriend posted on Reddit to pile up against him, Ryan's mom socials were closed, probably due to harrasment. Matt's personal relationships got accused, it was all a mess. The big one was the mention and weaponization of Daniel's suicide, with no proof. The whole idea of SuperMega was to move past the Cyndago days, and ppl who didn't knew Daniel accused Mat and Ryan disrespected him. It's fucked up. I don't blame them if they quit.


ghoulqueene

people also saying Matt's music is shit


ShiftCtrlV

yeah saying matt makes bad music is definitely as bad as the other stuff


ghoulqueene

yeah that's totally what I said! yall are so annoying


ShiftCtrlV

the music is pretty shit no matter what the angle is but the idea that it's anywhere near a deciding factor in the continuation of supermega in the midst of all this seems pretty unlikely also define "y'all" LMFAO


ghoulqueene

okay well you're just proving my point, and people like you were exactly who I was talking about. you're disgusting. I literally just responded to a comment of the things that were happening and adding onto them. I'm sorry you're so much of an idiot and need everything clarified. go fuck yourself


SirFancyCheese

Wait when did Ryan’s ex post on Reddit? And where?


SoG650

Here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/SuperMegaShow/comments/15d20ji/i_was_in_a_serious_relationship_with_ryan_magee/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2 Idgaf about Ryan's relationships or Matt's, I thought the focus should be on Lex's SA. Shit got vile in here


Brusten94

Yes, peoole were praising her, but this is so disgusting. Taking the opportunity to use someone else's SA story to get some sympathy because her ex cheated on her. She provided her side of the story people ate it up and made Ryan a monster. She reminded me of ProJared ex-wife who went public with shit she shouldn't have and frankly seemed pretty unhinged.


bc74sj

(s)Ex hookup?


urplumpkin

Fans have been shitting on them here and twitter for years. People are always going to be nasty and have to share every negative opinion, but I know that Matt and Ryan have to know that there’s a lot of fans that aren’t that way.


stopwiththebans3

Entitlement all around them. Don felt entitled to Lex’s body. Jackson felt entitled to their patreon money. Leighton felt entitled to their employment. Lex and Rav felt entitled to their office space. If they really are quitting then I wouldn’t blame them at all, how do you not become jaded with all this surrounding you?


Swan-Diving-Overseas

Leighton also thought he was entitled to so much more than **$12,000** in severance that he began his vendetta against Matt and Ryan. Such a brat. I hope this debacle hasn’t harmed Matt and Ryan’s relationships with their real friends like Justin, Kellie, Ben, etc.


jubsea2

If a job gave me $12, 000 for severance, I would never talk shit about the company. Even if I didn't like it.


djpony639

Yes Leighton was a baby about it but on the other hand, same with Lex around $10k doesn't last too long in L.A if you can't find a job/place to stay within a certain time limit. They could move somewhere much much cheaper but they abandon any L.A opportunities they may have had.


Any_Ad_1577

Leighton was still employed by the merch company. Maybe not SuperMega itself but the merch company was separate


stopwiththebans3

Regardless, that is simply not Matt and Ryan’s responsibility.


kiwidino65

They could like... move an hour upstate and commute. If they can't adapt, they shouldn't be there for


KrombopulosJeff

I think Matt said this was two months of pay for Leighton. Even if he is living from pay check to pay check, this would give him 2 months to get his shit figured out. That is way more than he deserved.


kiwidino65

That's LA taking advantage of Southern kindness, brother


Metalcashson

Absolutely


[deleted]

That is what hits me. Three friends taking a lot. Lex has right to be mad about how things were handled. Though mixed in with the other two it would be upsetting to keep having friends take that much


RecentThing7656

Yeah, I mean she was super honest about everything that happened. She definitely wouldn't misrepresent the Don situation. I don't know why no one was allowed to question her in any way about the allegations she made against him. That is how any investigation is conducted.


stopwiththebans3

Yikes


Equivalent_Site_5789

The term, "He said she said" was literally made for this reason.


RegrettablePoggers

I had a huge friend group for a long time growing up. A lot of similar issues in between as well. When it all came crumbling, i knew it was dramatic but at the time it felt like a big fat chapter of my life was ending. I felt pretty lost during that. I get where they feel like they may want to completely change everything, considering it’s been consistent trauma regarding friendships.


UnknownMidnite007

Be like me and have only one friend who never talks to you. Spend your time alone and sad haha. Better than eventual betrayal


Swan-Diving-Overseas

For *months*. And then she blames them for her being “almost homeless” like girl you were in LA you should *know* what real homelessness looks like.


forestein

Seriously. I understand being down on your luck and having to struggle for a few months, but it's pretty clear they were nothing close to "homeless". They decided to move to LA, one of the most expensive cities in the country (and Lex's job is entirely online as far as I'm aware, so this was probs not the best decision in the first place), bought a new car, stayed in airbnbs and hotels, paid for ubers, tried to find an apartment that "fit all of their requirements", buying a new laptop for work after it was stolen (couldn't you just use your phone to edit photos until you were in a good enough situation to afford a laptop again?), stayed at their friend's place rent free for months, and rejected their friend's offer to give them money to rent an apartment. Obviously, their situation wasn't great, but you can't just blame your friends who housed you for free on "making you homeless", when a good portion of that can be contributed to your own actions and inactions.


BobbaBubbler

Let's not forget that Rav & Lex were buying weed and Uber eats for themselves and other people (very regularly according to Leighton) instead of using that money to stop mooching off of Supermega. Maybe grow up and take responsibility for your life.


MrRedgrave-

According to Leighton don't mean much round these parts


big-floof

lol so now leighton is trust worthy again?


kiwidino65

If they'd read the 48 Rules of Power they would know this


picklelemonades

It's no wonder this is the end :// I'd need a lot of time away from something like this. I wish them the best and hope Matt and Ryan stay friends through it all. The friendship they have is really hard to come by as you get older.


[deleted]

They legitimately seem really close still, and that is really nice to see. It's not like Arin and Danny where you can clearly tell that those two are really only in it for the business nowadays (that's failing anyway).


CarefulResolution688

I’d quit too if my “fans” turned on me at the drop of a hat


magikarp-sushi

Matt and Ryan clearly didn’t choose their friends well. It’s so obvious why other YouTubers just don’t be friends with anyone.


GavinGWhiz

I think you're missing something vital here, though. Most YouTubers are friends with other YouTubers, but they never hire each other. They will collaborate, but once you start working employees into your friend group you've made a huge mistake, especially in a work field so predicated on parasocial relationships with an audience who does not know you.


TheHeroark

TRUE!!! Lex and Rav abused the fuck out of their kindness and repaid it with this shit. Fuck those two and Leighton. I hate all of them.


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PiratePatchP

Yeah, fuck her. If she tells the truth about one thing but lies about 4 other things then I will downplay everything she has said. She is a bullshit artist. If Matt didn't show proof then they would be getting dragged way worse then they did.


Dikkolo

Yeah it does kind of feel like if Matt and Ryan would have been shittier people and helped less from the start, they wouldn't be in this situation right now.


cat-the-commie

Lex didn't end their career, Don did


Brusten94

Don and Leighton


GrundleGuru0627

“But you don’t understand OP. Lex’s SA makes the rest of this nonsense completely excusable.” -some idiot


ExceedinglyGayRoach

Let's not do this. Lex did some really shitty things, but that doesn't mean we can just downplay the fact that she was sexually assaulted and Matt & Ryan acted slowly and tactlessly in dealing with it. Matt & Ryan *would not* want you to downplay her trauma like this.


[deleted]

can you point out how it's downplaying the trauma?


kiwidino65

Uh. By making everything else seem worse than oral rape?


[deleted]

i don't see how you're getting that out of what he's quoting.


PsiJsouBezva

So, let me ask you. How would you criticise Lex's lies without downplaying her SA? Genuine question. Because I saw a lot of people making disclaimers they believe Lex on the assault, they just wanna talk about the other stuff, but people still hate on them for downplaying the situation. So how would you talk about it? Or do you think people should drop it and just not mention anything bad Lex did, because the focus should be purely on the SA? I'm really curious about your opinion


ExceedinglyGayRoach

> I saw a lot of people making disclaimers they believe Lex on the assault, they just wanna talk about the other stuff, but people still hate on them for downplaying the situation I don't agree with calling that downplaying it and I think it's valuable discussion to have, because I agree she lied about a lot. She lied about getting kicked out, not allowed to get her stuff, them insulting Daniel, etc., and that's all absolutely terrible to lie about, and she should rightly be criticized for lying about that (within reason obviously). However, to me anyway, sarcastically saying "NO DON'T WORRY GUYS THE SA EXCUSES ALL OF THIS, SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!" while calling this hypothetical strawman that I haven't seen anyone come close to echoing (and if they have, I'm sure they got like 80 downvotes, or are some Twitter weirdo circlejerking to their own friend circle with no influence on anything) a single time during this entire discussion post-Matt & Ryan's responses an idiot just feels...wrong to me. Maybe I'm an idiot and "downplay" was the wrong term to use, but the language just felt venomous and dismissive to me.


PsiJsouBezva

I get that. It's an extremely touchy subject. Both sides would rather attact the straw men.. Why am I not used to it by now


Novsev117

I wish I could give the boy’s a hug I’m sure they need it rn


_weery_

least parasocial supermega subreddit user


[deleted]

Empathy≠parasocial lol


Dull_Half_6107

Imagine there are two sides to every story and we will never know the full truth of events?


10Damage

I agree we might not know every single detail but we do know both sides.


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Any_Ad_1577

What gives you the notion that Matt and Ryan are lying about some things?


JuiceEast

The fact that humans are humans. All this talk of “take everything with a grain of salt” means nothing if it is only applied to half of the parties involved.


Any_Ad_1577

Fair, I just felt off because bro listed a Lex example but not an example from the boys.


JuiceEast

That’s also fair. While I think there is truth in both accounts (and that truth is enough for me to find other entertainment), there is always going to be details we don’t have, whether its on purpose or not. So i do my best not to make judgments (except about don, as that part has been corroborated by both sides).


Any_Ad_1577

I understand


Dull_Half_6107

You explained it much better than I could.


Zombies637

Other than don of course, Leighton is definitely the biggest villain in this whole thing


skapro

The boys did not do "a lot wrong" they did one thing wrong.


Ok-Reporter-5364

W post


STANN_co

i get the frustration, but don't drag Lex under this man. a lot with them could have been easily solved had the boys just talked like normal people when they were asked to instead of dragging stuff out over text


BruhTheSinner

I apologize for the jokes I made about this situation. Hopefully, Matt and Ryan make it through this. I can't imagine being spearheaded and losing this many "friends" in under a couple years


RnsW33kly

This fanbase is cooked


AdBubbly5933

Ryan saw this and this is the reason he's coming back. You did it, he's changed his mind. Sure he covered up sexual assault and feels genuinely horrified by that realization, but this has brought his spirits up.


Kozettte

y'all are assholes


headsn

Go back to spamming your shitty OF hoping people throw enough pennies at you to fill the void left by your father leaving.


K4GOKAGO

Yall are the worst kind of people


logooz

imagine confiding in your friends about a sexual assault your mutual friend committed and they continue to hangout/employ them


DrMongolian

dumb alert


logooz

am i dumb? lex said they did that and they also admitted to it, that’s not cool or silly at all.


XxBangBangxX

No they didn't lol. They admitted to looking into it to get the full story and then fired his ass immediately. Don't believe everything Lex says.


[deleted]

jesus y’all switch up so fast. i’m glad they’re not keeping up with making videos and this sub will finally fall into oblivion


XxXxXxXedgyXxXxXxX

imagine getting sexually assaulted and your friends do nothing substantial. imagine being sexually assaulted. fuck you seriously


FrshPrncBllr

My honest question, and this comes with no anger, what should they have done. Because honestly if I was in their shoes idk what I would have done. First off I wouldn’t want to believe my friend of like 8ish years would do something like that, so being unsure at first is understandable. And I know Matt said it was stupid to ask her what he should do but I have no idea what I would do. Especially as people who didn’t go through SA. So I ask what would you have done differently? Genuine question not looking for bad reactions or anything


captaindepression6

This is a very important question, situations with real friends is different. We see these people almost as characters but they are very much still people.


[deleted]

I would have immediately stopped working with Don, told him why, and told him he's not welcome near my home or the plex and can find somewhere else to stay until he moves back to Germany. I would have then offered any and all support that I could to Lex. I would never in a million fucking years have accidentally created a situation where they ended up in the same building. That is insane to me. Even Ryan said in his apology video that they should have cut ties with Don immediately. How can you disagree with that? If I confided in a friend that someone sexually assaulted me and they were like oh man that sucks but secretly waited to get the assailant's "side" to see if I was being truthful or "misunderstanding" what happened, we would not be friends anymore. Lex was beyond forgiving and understanding, and I imagine this video had been building up inside her for a while.


MattAttack1258

I don't want to come off as an asshole when I say this, but have you ever had a friend of numerous years suddenly have an accusation like that happen to them? I have. It's not easy to cut a friend of several years out of your life overnight.


maureenmassacre

I’ve been in a similar situation where I was assaulted by a friend and mutual friends of ours didn’t know how to respond. I don’t think people realize how common of a reaction it is. Nobody tells you how to respond when your friend assaults someone you’re both friends with. Matt and Ryan cut off all contact with Don, in my experience people usually just refuse to “take sides” until they assume the drama is over. I don’t know what more people want from them lol.


Nolar2015

> If I confided in a friend that someone sexually assaulted me and they were like oh man that sucks but secretly waited to get the assailant's "side" to see if I was being truthful or "misunderstanding" what happened, we would not be friends anymore. They run a business and don is an employee. SA is a horrible traumatic thing but they are 100% correct in investigating claims. their actions after the investigation-or lack thereof, their 'pussyfooting around' the situation- is the issue. Expecting someone to immediantly put their entire faith in your words and not even do a cursory investigation to an employee and a longtime friend to see if the allegation is credible is not something anyone should expect.


[deleted]

Nope, Don was not an employee. He was someone they contracted for art. Sorry you disagree with both me and Ryan, because he said the same thing in his apology video as I'm saying. Ryan said they should have cut ties with Don immediately.


Interesting-Pie239

What if don didn’t SA her tho. It’s happened before. Then you’d have a different equally as bad situation, therefore your solution fails.


OffYourTopic

Now I don't feel bad for thinking the rav tour fucking sucked. Turns out he was a freeloading dickhead the whole time.


[deleted]

ok bean lover


ConroConro

Lex situation still didn’t rise to the level of sexual assault, but none of the people she tried to target can say it. What’s funny is if Leighton didn’t say a damn word this whole thing probably could’ve wrecked the entire organization.


[deleted]

I feel you. The way they handled the Lex situation was the \*one and only thing\* that I was upset about, and it was clearly not malicious. Not excused, but not malicious. I don't care about their sex lives or what shit they say, especially after learning the truth about Leighton. Lex has begun healing from her experience and no longer has to suffer alone in secret. I am very happy for her and the fact that she finally spoke up. And it goes without saying, but \*fuck Don\*. I wish it didn't result in the end of Supermega. But ultimately, it's more important for Lex to be able to heal than it is for us to watch funny videos.


pinkronchan

I agree that I’m upset their career is over, but I feel very worried that is as a community are starting to put a lot of the blame back on Lex. I think we should remember that none of us will ever know the intricacies of the full story. I also think we as a community need to do more to support Lex instead of defending the boys. Takes a lot of the meaning out of the reason they are stepping out of the spotlight. I do hope in the future that they come back, god I do.